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[Gong banging]

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[Ray Winstone] Have
you ever heard of a man

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called bombardier Billy Wells?

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Probably not.

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But you'd've have seen
him on the big screen.

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In fact, you just did.

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That's right. There's Billy.

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In his prime, he
was a prize fighter,

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but in his later years,

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he found himself working
in the film industry.

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-When I met
bombardier Billy Wells,

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he was walking on
a cane as an extra,

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sometimes wearing a tuxedo,
sometimes wearing overalls,

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whatever the extra's job was.

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And he had nothing.
Nothing at all.

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Once they finished
doing stunts, that was it.

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You were going on until
you were 60 or whatever it is

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in this country and got
your old-age pension.

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There was no union,
there was no medicare.

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Nothing to look after
you at all, so you were out.

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And if you got hurt badly,
you were out and gone.

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He had nothing.

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I did not want to
wind up with nothing.

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["Someone's gonna get their head
kicked in tonite" performed by motorhead]

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-♪ Well the band is smokin' ♪

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♪ and everyone's
feelin' all right ♪

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♪ all right ♪

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♪ it's a Wednesday night ♪

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♪ there's sure
gonna be a fight ♪

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♪ a fight ♪

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♪ I know somebody's gonna
get their head kicked in tonight! ♪

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♪ Well the joint is jumping ♪

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♪ everybody's
shoutin' for more ♪

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♪ for more ♪

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♪ well there's gonna
be a pool of blood ♪

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♪ on the dance hall floor ♪

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♪ the floor ♪

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♪ I know somebody's gonna
get their head kicked in tonight! ♪

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♪ We're gonna
pull out the chairs ♪

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♪ and tear down the walls ♪

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♪ smash up the band
just havin' a ball ♪

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♪ me and my buddies
in a physical race ♪

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♪ leave the whole dance
floor in a doggone mess ♪

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♪ well the cats are smokin' ♪

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♪ everyone's feelin' all right ♪

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♪ all right ♪

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♪ it's a Wednesday night ♪

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♪ there's sure
gonna be a fight ♪

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♪ a fight ♪

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♪ I know somebody's gonna
get their head kicked in tonight! ♪

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♪ Oh yeah ♪

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♪ we're gonna
pull out the chairs ♪

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♪ and tear down the walls ♪

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♪ smash up the band
just havin' a ball ♪

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♪ me and my buddies
in a physical race ♪

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♪ leave the whole dance
floor in a doggone mess ♪

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♪ well the joint is jumping ♪

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♪ everybody's
shoutin' for more ♪

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♪ for more ♪

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♪ oh it's gonna be
a pool of blood ♪

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♪ on the dance hall floor ♪

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♪ the floor ♪

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♪ I know somebody's gonna
get their head kicked in tonight! ♪

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♪ I know somebody's gonna
get their head kicked in tonight! ♪

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[Ray Winstone]
The stunt performer,

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the unsung hero
of the silver screen.

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For years, these men
and women were a secret.

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Paid good money to
make the stars look heroic.

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But as cinema got
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it became harder to
pretend that a mere actor

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could pull off such feats.

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Nobody knows for sure

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who cinema's first
stunt performer was.

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But in 1908, an acrobat
was paid to jump off a cliff

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for the silent film, the
count of monte cristo.

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And so, an occupation was born.

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But, what qualities
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to get in as a stuntman?

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- "Unemployable" is a
word that Springs to mind.

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Um, all the stunt people
that I've been working with

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over the last
nearly 50 years now

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in many cases, have such
a diverse series of skills.

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But when you try and
harness those into something,

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most people go, "that's
not what we're looking for."

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It's like when I came out
of the army, and they said,

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well, I went for job interviews

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and they said, "what
are you good at?"

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And I go, "well, I can
drop a grenade in a bucket

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at about 30 feet,
eight times out of ten.

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And I'm very good with
a light machine gun."

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"That's not really
what we're looking for."

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-I think you've got to
be a certain person.

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You've either got to be
stupid in some respects,

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or you've got to be really,

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uh, know your own mentality
and your own physical things,

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what your abilities are.

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-It's something I could do

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which put me out there
above others, you know.

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I mean, if I got in trouble, I
could fight my way out of it.

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I could put my
back against a friend

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and punch my way out of a room.

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-I was doing stuff
that they couldn't do.

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He couldn't do
judo, so I did judo.

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He couldn't throw a
punch, so I threw a punch.

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He couldn't drive a
car properly, I could.

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Not knowing it was a stuntman.
I didn't know the word stuntman.

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-You have to do
exactly the opposite

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of what you've been
taught all your life to do.

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To fall off a horse

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is like a pilot jumping out of
a perfectly good aeroplane.

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Why would you do it?

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Same thing with
a racing car driver.

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The last thing they want
to do is get cross-threaded

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and smash into a bank
and roll the thing over.

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Every natural instinct
and fiber in their body

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stops them from
doing it naturally.

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-Now it's become a far
more professional thing.

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And people say,
when they leave school,

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I want to be a stuntman.

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And there is a delineated
route to become a stuntman.

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But in those days,
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picking people out who
could, uh, apply certain skills,

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and then they're
making money at it,

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and being so prized at it.

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-It was the last
thing in the world

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I thought would come my way
from my background and so forth.

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[♪♪♪]

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They did a film
called casino royale

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and they wanted someone to
drive this e-type quite quickly.

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One of the stuntmen
said, "he's got an e-type,

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and he's quite quick."

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So, they got me down there
and I put gravel on the road

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and skidded the
arse around with it.

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[Clears throat] And
the director went,

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"that's great. That's
exactly what I want."

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[♪♪♪]

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[Car tires screeching]

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-I think I was talked
into it originally.

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Um, I was a helicopter
engineer by trade.

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[♪♪♪]

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I lived in elstree at the time,

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and my parents
got a pub in elstree

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and one particular person
used to come in there.

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It was Patrick mcgoohan.

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[Upbeat music]

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And I got on quite well
with him, and he said,

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"you're the type of guy
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-I left school with
my one o-level,

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and realized that many
of the things I wanted to do

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were not... Actually,
the doors were shut.

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And so, um, I joined the
circus, and was an eternal

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disappointment to my
mother ever since then.

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Other various bits and pieces.

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And then my half-sister

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had to go to this
company called bapty's.

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They were the movie
armorers at the time.

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And I've always been...

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Had a real interest
in firearms, always.

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And she went to the-the
guy that owned it and said,

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"my brother would love
to come and work here."

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[Sniffles] Bless
him. He said, "okay."

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My first film was
the dirty dozen,

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as the assistant armorer,

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and I didn't know
shit from toothpaste,

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you know, but I-I-I
went on the set and i'd

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suddenly, I'm in mgm studios,

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and I'm meeting all these
stunt guys and thinking,

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"yeah, I've got I'd
fancy a little bit of that."

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-My father was a
racehorse trainer

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and in the early days,
he used to train for a very,

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the most famous actor
in the world in his day.

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It was Richard Todd.

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[♪♪♪]

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[Clippety-clop of hooves]

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And I talked to him
as a little shy kid

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and he'd tell me about
the movies he'd done,

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from the dam busters,
to Rob Roy, Robin hood.

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And really, that's
where I first got the ideas

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of being a stuntman, not
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but I'd head up my pony
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and throw myself off it.

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Then in '65, we had race horses,

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and a very famous horse
stuntman called Jimmy lodge

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would come and exercise
the horses with us.

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Then he wanted to borrow a horse

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for a movie called
arabesque in '65.

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I let him have the
horse, and anyway,

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he called me the next day
because it was a really good horse,

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but a very strong
horse, and he said,

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"look, the horse is great, but, you
know, I need somebody to ride it

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that can ride properly." So, I
said, "yeah, I'll come and ride it."

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[♪♪♪]

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[Clippety-clop of hooves]

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[Rapid gunshots]

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[♪♪♪]

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And that got me hooked
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-I was about 20 years old.

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And I thought... I was working
in a factory in north London,

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and I thought, "I can't do
this for the rest of my life.

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This is not... there must be
something else to... in life."

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So, I knew in those days
that the evening standard,

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they had two pages
of situation vacants,

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all over the world.

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So, I went home,
opened up the pages,

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closed my eyes, pointed down.

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And when I looked, there
was a little square and it said,

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"the London school of
charm requires models."

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[♪♪♪]

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So then, I got an agent

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who did walk-ons on
television, and I did, um, z-cars,

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all the TV, BBC TV
stuff and the itv stuff.

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But then I got another agent
who was doing, uh, uh, films,

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extra work on
films, so I did that.

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I joined the faa and
started working on films.

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[Ray Winstone] In america,
the role of the stunt performer

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was well established.

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Since the 1920s, performers
including yakima canutt,

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Harvey parry, and Paul malvern,

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had been pioneering and
achieving feats on camera,

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which were incredible to
watch, but also grounded in

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principles of safety
and professionalism.

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Even by the 1960s, britain
wasn't quite so advanced.

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-If you had your... Your
modern health and safety,

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uh, professional come onto
the set as we were in the 1960s,

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he would have been
ambulanced off the set

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with-with a heart attack.

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-It wasn't a stunt
business, then, you know:

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It wasn't like it is now.

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You know? I mean, they used
to get any Tom, dick and Harry,

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used to do stuff like that.

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-You could be sitting in the
dressing room as an extra

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and an assistant
director come up,

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or the stunt
coordinator, and say,

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"uh, who wants to
fall down the stairs?

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And you'd say, "I do. How much?"

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-People would think, "oh,
there's an extra 50 quid

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or an extra 20 quid here.

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I'll have a go at swinging
off that building on a bell rope

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and hope that I
get away with it."

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-My mother, bless her, is
92, 93 now coming up. Uh

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she did a film
called room to let

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where my father, he had
to put her in a wheelchair

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and push it down the stairs.

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She got 100 pounds for
each time she went down.

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She got 300 pounds in 1950.

248
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-A lot of them did
dangerous things

249
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that they didn't know
how dangerous it was

250
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till they actually
got involved in it.

251
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And then, whoa!

252
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-I just used to do it. I was no

253
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there was no knee pads,
shin pads, wherever pads.

254
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I'd just, you know,
get a newspaper,

255
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put on your elbows
in, and that was it.

256
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-My first back-pad was a
piece of foam-backed carpet

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which I cut out to
the shape of my back,

258
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put a bit of string
through it, tied it up.

259
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Luxury. Going
down concrete stairs.

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-A lot of the guys, um,
that was either doormen,

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or part-time villains,
done a bit of crowd work.

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You know what I mean?

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So they didn't mind getting
bashed up or runnin' around

264
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'cos that's what they was
doing anyway, in real life,

265
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so they become stuntmen legally.

266
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-When I did you only
live twice, which was '66,

267
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there was about 120
of us "stuntmen" on that,

268
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but they were taxi
drivers, bouncers, barmen.

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A lot of these guys are
absolute characters, you know.

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And you could buy and sell
anything you wanted on the set.

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You could buy all your
smoked salmon, your Sherry

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and everything for Christmas
'cos it was coming up to Christmas.

273
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They were Wheeler-dealers,
all the east end London boys.

274
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-You know, everyone
got to know everyone else.

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Food, whatever the
boys used to make...

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Work in the meat market.

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They used to go straight
from work in the meat market

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straight down to shepperton
or one of elstree, you know,

279
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mgm, and it suddenly
built up like that.

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-They enjoyed the social life.

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They'd spend their per
diems and all their money

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and come home skint.

283
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I mean, that's how stuntmen...
How they were in those days.

284
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Uh, but they had plenty
of nerve. They did.

285
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A lot of them would do

286
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the dangerous bits
and pieces, you know.

287
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-There was also a great
element of professionalism

288
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because there were those guys

289
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who had been doing it
for a number of years.

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Quite a lot of them
had been in world war ii

291
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and come out of the
army and everything else,

292
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and had done some
very, very hairy stuff,

293
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and knew what it was

294
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to look after themselves
and behave properly.

295
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-So, you had this basically
group of ex-servicemen

296
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that were working in London,
and they'd get odd days

297
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to go and work as
crowd and extras on films;

298
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and then they wanted
somebody to get through,

299
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knocked through a
window, or fall off a horse

300
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or-or get knocked over by a car.

301
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They'd step forward because
they were hard guys and,

302
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"yeah, that can't be
too bad, you know.

303
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Done worse than
that in the war."

304
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But they obviously had
an aptitude for it as well

305
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and they became
fantastic stunt people.

306
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Some of the best in the
world, admired by everybody.

307
00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,079
[Paul Weston] They
could fall down, you know,

308
00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,439
and jump around
and play soldiers

309
00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,479
because they,
that's what they did.

310
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Uh, others were, um, characters,
boxers, they were wrestlers,

311
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so they were good
character, good heavy faces.

312
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And you knew that, you
know, if they had to have a fight,

313
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it didn't matter whether you
hit them or not, you know.

314
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They-they were big tough guys.

315
00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:49,999
-You can always tell an old film

316
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because you see old
faces in the background,

317
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and you know there's
going to be a fight, you know.

318
00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,479
I'll see old films now, then
suddenly you see the old faces.

319
00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:57,959
I haven't seen them
all, but you see,

320
00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,919
you know that there's
going to be a fight in there

321
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because of the people
who are in there.

322
00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:03,319
You know what I mean?

323
00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,039
So, if they was in
that bar or in that club,

324
00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,519
you know it was
going to be off there.

325
00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,039
[Upbeat music]

326
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[Ray Winstone]
Perhaps the first real

327
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legends of British stunt work

328
00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,799
were this pair of brothers
from south London.

329
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The powells.

330
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-The powells.

331
00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:25,359
Uh, my father, who's nosher,
known as nosher Powell.

332
00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,400
[Indistinct chatter]

333
00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,479
-Very, very well-known stuntman.

334
00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,439
I should say about 6'4",

335
00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,799
ex-professional
heavyweight boxer,

336
00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:35,919
used to spar with Ali.

337
00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,599
When Muhammad
Ali came over here,

338
00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,759
he used to like to
spar with nosher.

339
00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,800
[Upbeat music]

340
00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,279
-He used to clown
about, you know,

341
00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,639
so they used to put him on
last to keep all the people there.

342
00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,559
Uh, and he was an
entertainer, a very funny guy.

343
00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,279
And then he got
into the film business.

344
00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:54,439
His brother, dinny

345
00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,480
[♪♪♪]

346
00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,279
He was in the stunt business

347
00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,160
[man groans]

348
00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,439
[Plates shattering]

349
00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,999
-Well, nosher and dinny

350
00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,039
were big in the
business when I started.

351
00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,279
They were part of the stunt
team in those days, you know.

352
00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:16,759
-Being around the film business

353
00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,159
or being around all the boys

354
00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:19,879
that was always
enjoying theirself,

355
00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,839
I really, I wanted
to do the same.

356
00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,839
I went out on a, I think
it was on a school break;

357
00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,599
dad was filming in
Turkey on a film called

358
00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,159
you can't win them all

359
00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,919
with Tony Curtis and
um, Charles Bronson.

360
00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,279
And while I was out
there, I got a little job

361
00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,399
off of Jackie Cooper
who was the horsemaster,

362
00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,839
doin' a bit of riding around
in the background, you know.

363
00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,559
So, it really started there.

364
00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,759
-Looks like some other
vultures got here first.

365
00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:46,839
-Yeah.

366
00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,560
[Clippety-clop of hooves]

367
00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,279
-They're part of the
little mafias of families

368
00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,679
that are in not only the
English stunt business,

369
00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,239
in the Spanish stunt business,
the American stunt business,

370
00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,719
and Chinese stunt business.

371
00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,479
Every, it's a very
incestuous business

372
00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,399
and families just seem
to grow into it, you know.

373
00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,599
Now of course Gary Powell,
Greg's younger brother,

374
00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,519
is one of the top
coordinators in the world now.

375
00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,079
-So, there was a half and half,

376
00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,719
they were-they were some
cowboy stuntmen around

377
00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,159
who would hurt themselves
occasionally, badly,

378
00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,839
and then you wouldn't
see them again.

379
00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,279
And then there was
some of the guys

380
00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:26,639
who were known as stuntmen.

381
00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,719
-It was people like Bob Simmons

382
00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,760
[suspenseful music]

383
00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,240
[Rapid gunshots]

384
00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:40,800
[Man grunts]

385
00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,880
-Joe Powell, who's no relation.

386
00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,400
-Go forward.

387
00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,319
[Rapid gunshots]

388
00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,000
[Window glass shattering]

389
00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,960
-Um, jock Easton.

390
00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,559
[Rapid gunshots]

391
00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:00,599
[Man shouting]

392
00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,519
-Both jock Easton and Joe Powell

393
00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,439
had both won the Croix
De guerre in the war,

394
00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,239
and they were
absolute war heroes.

395
00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,719
They were the
beginning of the sas.

396
00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,000
-One of my great
heroes, Joe Powell.

397
00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,679
I have so much
admiration for him.

398
00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,719
-Joe Powell did one of the
greatest stunts ever on-on

399
00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,639
the man who would be
king for John Houston,

400
00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,040
doubling for Sean Connery.

401
00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,880
[Footsteps]

402
00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,479
[Bridge rattling]

403
00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,280
[Man speaking foreign language]

404
00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,639
[Ropes cutting]

405
00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,039
-[Inhales] And they had a
whole team of stunt people

406
00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,799
from america that
were going to do

407
00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,039
this high fall off this bridge

408
00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,519
and everything else,
each one, in turn,

409
00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,919
got magical diarrhoea
or had a sickness at home

410
00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,039
or a toothache or a neck
ache or leg ache, could not do it,

411
00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,039
and they all basically
chickened out.

412
00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,039
So, in desperation, they
said, "Joe, would you do it?"

413
00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,800
I said, "yeah,
of course I will."

414
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,519
-♪ A glorious band,
the chosen few ♪

415
00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:14,919
♪ on whom the spirit came. ♪

416
00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,239
[Vic Armstrong] And he went
up there still on the bridge,

417
00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:18,519
wore the real metal helmet.

418
00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,279
[Sean Connery] ♪
twelve Valiant saints ♪

419
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,519
♪ their hope they knew ♪

420
00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,439
♪ and mocked the
cross and flame ♪

421
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,599
[Sean and Michael] ♪ he met
the tyrant's brandished steel ♪

422
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,999
♪ the lion's gory mane ♪

423
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,239
♪ he bowed his head
his death to feel ♪

424
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,280
[Bridge clattering]

425
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,959
-They flipped the bridge
and he fell nearly 110 feet

426
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,159
down into the boxes.

427
00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,639
The thing about the boxes were
they were just built on a ledge,

428
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,559
and if he misses those,
it's another, you know,

429
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,999
a 1,000 feet to the...
To the bottom of the cliff.

430
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,239
And he did it, and came
back up again, "is that all right?

431
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:02,960
Do you want to go
again?" You know.

432
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,519
George leech was one
of the very early stuntmen.

433
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,399
[Gunshot]

434
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,479
[Man screaming]

435
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,160
[Water splashes]

436
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,560
[Man] [Screaming] Help!

437
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,679
-He started in the early '50s,

438
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,999
doubling for George...
Uh, James Mason.

439
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:28,199
-He was, um, very intelligent
and-and he was a good performer.

440
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,479
He was a good boxer.

441
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,479
He was, um, he could
set up a good fight

442
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,319
and he knew who
could hold up his hands

443
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,359
and-and-and can do a good fight.

444
00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:43,079
He was a good coordinator
and a nice gentle man.

445
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,680
-Who's the man behind all this?

446
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,719
-I don't know.
[Gunshot]

447
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:48,839
-I'm not joking, rico.

448
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,879
[Ray Winstone] One of
the most important stuntmen

449
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,959
to emerge in this era is
one of the last from that time

450
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,839
to still be alive today,

451
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:56,999
ray Austin.

452
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,639
-Drop it.

453
00:20:58,640 --> 00:20:59,720
[Gunshot]

454
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,680
- [Punch thrown]
- [Man groans]

455
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,719
[Suspenseful music]

456
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,599
[Vase shattering]

457
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:14,840
[Man groans]

458
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,880
[Punches thrown]

459
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,360
[Both men grunting]

460
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,599
-I came out of the army

461
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,439
with what I thought
was a fantastic career

462
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,879
because I was a
physical training instructor.

463
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,839
I went to the London
county council at westminster

464
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,759
to get a, what they call a
pe teacher in those days,

465
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,639
it was called, in a
school in england.

466
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,999
And they said to me,
"great, great, great.

467
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,559
What other subjects
do you teach?"

468
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,119
So, I said, "well,
wait a minute.

469
00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:53,079
I don't s... I'm just
a pt instructor."

470
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,599
"Oh, we do pt in
music, pt in art,

471
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,319
pt in arithmetic, pt in English.

472
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,279
We don't employ
anyone just for pt,"

473
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,119
so I didn't have a job.

474
00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:04,519
I got a job as a chauffeur...
Driver in London.

475
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,999
Cary Grant came over on a visit

476
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,559
and I got designated
to drive him.

477
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,439
There was a little coffee bar,

478
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,319
and Cary and I went
in there one night.

479
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,159
Sat down to have a coffee,

480
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,999
and there were about
three or four yobs in there,

481
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,239
as we called them in
those days, from the area,

482
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,079
and they spotted him,

483
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,679
and they started to
give him a bad time;

484
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:29,959
one thing and another.

485
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,639
He got up and went to leave,

486
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,159
and I was going
to follow him out.

487
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,159
And as he went to leave,
the guy sitting on the stool

488
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,679
grabbed Cary's arm

489
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,639
to pull him 'round, and
Cary stepped back at it,

490
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,719
so I stepped between
and I hit the guy.

491
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,919
So, we started to be
more than just a driver,

492
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,839
and-and Cary and I became
his sort of man Friday.

493
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,879
We're in Los Angeles, Malibu,

494
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,159
and I had-i had a little rented
house on the beach in Malibu

495
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,359
in those days where we used to
surf, and one thing and another.

496
00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:03,039
And Cary Grant's
stunt double at that time

497
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,599
was a stuntman
called Paul stader.

498
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,919
Great stuntman.

499
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,679
A job with Johnny weissmuller
and all those sort of people.

500
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,720
[Johnny weissmuller
yells like Tarzan]

501
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,679
-And he was sort of
in in the stunt business.

502
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,079
He was the stuntman to know.

503
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:28,919
I always noticed that
stars, actors, and directors

504
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,519
always were friends
or liked stuntmen.

505
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,519
You know, your Roger
Moores and Sean connerys

506
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,319
always had time to
talk to a stuntman.

507
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,319
They never had time
to talk to extras always

508
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,719
or stand-ins, but
always stuntmen.

509
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,439
A stuntman could
always get to them. So I

510
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,759
thought about it and thought,

511
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,519
"well, if I'm gonna
get in the industry,

512
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,479
that is the way to go, is
to become a stuntman."

513
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,959
So, Paul came to me and he said,

514
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,839
"you want to do a
stunt in a movie?"

515
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,279
So, I said, "yeah."

516
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,199
And it evolved fro-from that,

517
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,679
that I got into
the stunt business

518
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,719
and started doing all
the things, you know,

519
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,120
and then it escalated
from there. I got very lucky.

520
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,560
[Soldiers screaming]

521
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,879
-Come on, cut it out.

522
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,799
[Loud tapping on table]

523
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,000
[Indistinct mutter]

524
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,319
-Burn this for the state.

525
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,879
- [Plates shattering]
- [Loud groaning]

526
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:33,920
[Man] I doubt that.

527
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,560
[Thrilling music]

528
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,159
-I got very, um,
lucky and clever

529
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,159
because I found out that
I was a good arranger.

530
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,199
So suddenly, I'm
arranging the stunts,

531
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,759
and I'm the one making the
phone calls at night to the stuntmen,

532
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,359
saying, "I want you
tomorrow morning,

533
00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,239
so I'll have five
of you tomorrow,"

534
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,719
working out the
fight and doing it.

535
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,599
So, I really took over

536
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,079
and didn't have to do
physical stunts myself

537
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,479
unless it was something
that I particularly wanted to do.

538
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,320
[♪♪♪]

539
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,879
The thing I'm known for
more than anything is kung fu.

540
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,719
I mean, I brought
kung fu to the screen.

541
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,119
No one else did.

542
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:36,160
[Man] Back up.

543
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,319
[Fingers snapping]

544
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,799
-Give me the gun.

545
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,199
-Back up.

546
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,120
[Fingers snapping]

547
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,280
-Give me the gun.

548
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:57,920
[Gun thuds]

549
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,599
-I brought kung
fu into the country.

550
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,279
I taught them kung fu, and
we used to fight kung fu,

551
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,760
but I never thought of
doing the high speed.

552
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,119
You can imagine
Diana rigg in that outfit

553
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:17,679
doing kung fu at high speed.

554
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,799
Oh, boy. She'd have
been incredible doing that.

555
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,799
Those long legs
sticking out there,

556
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,120
going at high speed,
everybody would have loved it.

557
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,599
[Man grunts]

558
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,040
- [Knee thrown]
- [Man grunts]

559
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,199
-Mrs. Peel, you're remarkable.

560
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,199
-He was, um, sort
of an icon for us

561
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,599
because he took it
another stage further.

562
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,759
He started to, um, stay
in-in the camera room

563
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,359
when all the camera
guys had gone,

564
00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:52,439
and he'd go through the lenses
and he'd learn about a camera,

565
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,879
get one of the guys to help him.

566
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,199
He learnt camera.

567
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,799
He learnt, um, all the
departments, what they did.

568
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,119
Um, and he-he learnt his trade.

569
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:06,399
And so, when he wanted
to... To direct second unit,

570
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,119
um, they allowed him to do it

571
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:10,159
because they-they
believed in him.

572
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,919
[Ray Winstone] Despite being
one of the greatest stunt performers

573
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,599
of his generation, ray
was keen to use stunt work

574
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,919
as a leg up within the industry.

575
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,399
He used his time on film sets

576
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,799
to learn from
everyone around him

577
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,119
and would progress to
a long career in america

578
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:27,239
as director of some of the
biggest action TV shows.

579
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,199
-But I got out and
got behind the camera

580
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,919
and became a
director and a writer

581
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,119
and a novelist and so on.

582
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:36,439
You know, it's a great
life for me, great life.

583
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,599
-He deserves everything

584
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,919
that he's ever achieved
because he's worked at it.

585
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,759
He took it to another level for a
stuntman to be able to become,

586
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,719
um, a film director.

587
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,359
[Ray Winstone] Ray
employed, trained,

588
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:54,039
and inspired a whole new
generation of performers

589
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,440
who would go on to
completely reshape the trade.

590
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:04,399
-My father was an actor
cum extra, cum stuntman.

591
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,199
Larry Taylor.

592
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,319
He was a good-looking man
with a gap in his teeth, you know.

593
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,519
Actor.

594
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,319
The biggest thing
he ever did was zulu.

595
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,519
He played a big part in zulu.

596
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,160
[Hughes] Colour-sergeant bourne.

597
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,239
What's that shooting?

598
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,999
[Colour-sergeant]
A rifle, Hughes.

599
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,199
[Hughes] Hey?

600
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,479
-If you're sick in hospital,

601
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,959
I suggest you go and lie down.

602
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,239
-Yes, colour-sergeant.

603
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,839
[Rocky Taylor] He
had the broken neck.

604
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,159
When the building's
burning, he's in there,

605
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,439
trying to get everybody out.

606
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,839
They all collected
all around him.

607
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,159
Said I want you to do judo.

608
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,759
I got to black belt very early

609
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,759
through Dougie Robinson
and Joe Robinson.

610
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,399
[♪♪♪]

611
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,159
[Ray Winstone] Doug
and Joe Robinson

612
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,799
were hugely respected
in the film industry.

613
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,319
It was the Robinson
boys who taught some of

614
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,760
britain's biggest
stars how to fight.

615
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,639
-I got to black belt,
brown belt, black belt.

616
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,479
And, um, came the avengers.

617
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,520
[♪♪♪]

618
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,519
-I'm terribly
sorry, young fella.

619
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,159
[Coins clanking]

620
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,440
All in a good cause.

621
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,719
-Ray Austin, he
gave me my first break

622
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,919
on the avengers.

623
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,119
When I went down,

624
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,240
I-I was-i was down
playing the part of the thug.

625
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,279
[Slap thrown]

626
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,239
[♪♪♪]

627
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,520
[Body thudding]

628
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:38,720
[Man grunts]

629
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,239
-And there was this scene

630
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,519
where a guy had to
come down the stairs,

631
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,319
flip over onto the table,

632
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,759
jump on the table,
punches him with one foot,

633
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,199
punches him with another,
boom, and he goes down.

634
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,519
And ray said, his
name is Steve songs.

635
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,519
His name was Steve
songs, extra cum stuntman.

636
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,639
He said, "ray, I can't do that."

637
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,919
He said, "what do you mean?"

638
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,479
"No, it's not quite me."

639
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,679
He went, "rocky."

640
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,359
I said, "yeah."
"Can you do this?"

641
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,519
"What?" and ray showed
me, because ray could do it.

642
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,679
Ray said, "can you do
this? On the banister... boom.

643
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,039
On the table... boom, kick,
boom, boom. Bang, bang."

644
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,159
I said, "well, I
think so. Hang on."

645
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,559
At the bottom, he went,
"that's exactly what I want.

646
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,679
Go and get changed."

647
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,839
I said, "what?" "Go
and get changed.

648
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,240
You're now steed's double."

649
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,360
[Statue clanking]

650
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,080
[Swords swishing]

651
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,119
I'm now steed of
the avengers double

652
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,799
from nowhere.

653
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,280
I now got five years'
work on the avengers.

654
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,119
That was my big breakthrough.

655
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,879
Ray Austin, bless him.

656
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,999
-TV shows then,
you had the avengers,

657
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,079
you had the Saint, champions.

658
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,279
It was-it was TV
shows going every day.

659
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,679
They had stunts every day.

660
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,679
-Yeah, I had a great time on TV.

661
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,359
I had two wonderful
years on the avengers

662
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,599
and doing the barons and
the saints and all those.

663
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,399
-Television was
still a little bit in its

664
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,519
[clears throat] Infancy.

665
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,759
And you could go and
perform on television and do it.

666
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,039
But the money was not
the same as it was in films.

667
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,919
And on films, you
got long contracts.

668
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,079
So, you'd be two or three
or four months on the film.

669
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,279
And that was the
thing that it was to get,

670
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,759
was to break the back of that
and be able to get into that.

671
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,119
-We occasionally
got down, okay, uh...

672
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,839
Film stunt guys came down.

673
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,519
And you know, the-the-the
Bob Simmons and Terry yorkes

674
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,039
and they've been away on
movies, and, um you thought,

675
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,239
"wow, I wonder what it's
like to be on a big movie."

676
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,559
-In the early days,
stuntmen didn't want to help.

677
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,119
My generation came
into the business,

678
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,680
they because they
saw it as a threat, so

679
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,479
you had to fend for yourself.

680
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,279
-Gradually, we as young
stunt guys coming in,

681
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,239
um, started to be able to
watch what they were doing.

682
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,759
And sometimes you'd think,

683
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,399
"oh, I wouldn't do it that way."

684
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,239
You'd see a guy, you
know, hurt himself coming off

685
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,919
of a balcony or something
because he didn't fall right.

686
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,639
Yeah. And so we learnt, I
learned by other people's...

687
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,479
Watching other
people that did it well,

688
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,479
and-and some of their mistakes.

689
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,759
-Because I was an
apprentice at rolls Royce

690
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,359
and was into
helicopters and that,

691
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,399
and did my five years
engineering-wise,

692
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,959
it was nothing... you
could come out with ideas

693
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,079
that you used to get on
a... On a set and look at,

694
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,759
uh, a layout to what
they were doing and say,

695
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,799
"well, that ain't gonna
work. We need to do this."

696
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,959
So, I came in at that era,
and I got so much work

697
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,959
I couldn't but of course,

698
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,719
that didn't help the situation
between the old guys and myself,

699
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,319
because they said,
"how come this bastard

700
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,399
is getting all the
work and he's...

701
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,959
He's only been in the
industry five minutes?"

702
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,759
-And there was
a lot of... I mean,

703
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:09,959
you hear terrible stories

704
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,519
as that, that when
they were doing ivanhoe

705
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,759
in [indistinct]

706
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:15,800
[Man groans]

707
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,639
[Paul Weston] A
guy went up there to

708
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,799
do a fall off a battlement.

709
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,560
And he put his boxes down
and the mattresses and whatever.

710
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,519
And someone had put some
rocks in on the top of the bed.

711
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,399
If you, they didn't like
you, then you may,

712
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,159
you know, not,
you may get injured.

713
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,879
Um, so yes, so I think it
was tougher in those days

714
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,559
because they were,
they were wrestlers,

715
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,439
and they were
boxers and they were,

716
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,519
um, people from the east end,
from the west end, you know.

717
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,279
Um, they were all
trying to make a living.

718
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,279
They would drive, you
know, down to Spain

719
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,599
if there's a movie in Spain

720
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,919
and just be there and
they would, you know,

721
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,159
work on the film
and sleep in the car.

722
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,039
I mean, there was
no organization.

723
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,039
They just did it to,
because, you know,

724
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,519
they'd earn enough
money out of it

725
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,439
to-to bring some money home.

726
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,599
That was... [Clears throat]

727
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,239
The difficulty that was going
on in terms of paddy Ryan

728
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:10,759
and-and jock Easton.

729
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,039
Um, Joe Powell and Eddie
Powell, um, they were...

730
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,479
They were doing that because
there was no other way.

731
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,199
That-that's, you know,

732
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,439
that's the way the
business was at that time.

733
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,959
They had no respect other
than, you know, if you get up there,

734
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,639
and you fall off, that's great.

735
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,039
Get a round of applause.

736
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,399
Away you go. They didn't
want any other than that.

737
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,639
And we used to, um,
have to sign blood chits,

738
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,959
which meant that
you forego any, um

739
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,679
you-you take on all the
responsibility of that fall.

740
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,519
If you fell on somebody
and killed them,

741
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,039
you would be sued.

742
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,439
We got our first sort
of, um, guild together,

743
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,999
and we said, "look, we got
to not be extras anymore.

744
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,079
We need to be part of equity
and start to-to get some respect

745
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,439
from the industry, uh,
as stunt performers."

746
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,519
-I think people finally realized

747
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,319
that being a stuntman

748
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,479
did not necessarily
the basic criteria was

749
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,839
being an ex-boxer

750
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,319
with a sort of broken nose and
a cauliflower ear, and he says,

751
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,839
"I'll have a go at that, governor."
There was a lot more to it,

752
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,559
and we were getting
more mechanized,

753
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,799
and people would, you
know, the car, I mean,

754
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,839
bullets had come out,

755
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,079
and the great car chase
had suddenly become,

756
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,000
"mm. Let's have
a little go at that."

757
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,000
[Cars speeding]

758
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:37,280
[Car tires screeching]

759
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,920
So, you can't do that
kind of stuff with that.

760
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,560
[Ray Winstone] It was
time for things to change.

761
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,639
-We'd done two or
three bonds in england,

762
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,399
and there's people who are
interested in coming over here

763
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,719
and doing more action pictures.

764
00:35:55,720 --> 00:36:01,399
And, you know, they want to,
to, uh, uh, nail down the skills,

765
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,479
which is why those
stunt coordinators

766
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,999
got together with equity.

767
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,079
And the stunt register
was thus formed.

768
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,679
If you had two stunt contracts,

769
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,559
you could come
on the stunt register,

770
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,559
and you were
accepted as a stuntman.

771
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,639
-A lot of the stunt guys
that were established

772
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,559
thought it was, you
know, just a gimmick,

773
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,079
and they didn't want
to pay to go in it.

774
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,079
And they-they thought
it was a silly idea

775
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,839
because they were
already established

776
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,519
in their own little way.

777
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,039
But once we got into equity,
the other guys had to come in.

778
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,639
Either they joined us in
equity, or they weren't,

779
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,959
you know, they weren't insured.

780
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,999
And we started the first
insurance through, um, lloyds.

781
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,919
-And we began
getting proper contracts

782
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,759
which were stunt contracts.

783
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,839
They weren't just a
glorified artist's contract;

784
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,519
they were stunt contracts.

785
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,159
And that was that again
made a big difference

786
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,279
because we'd said we set
our own minimum daily rates

787
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,279
and said, "we will not
perform for less than that.

788
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,399
If you want to go
outside the register

789
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,479
and get somebody who
wants to do it for thruppence,

790
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,759
then that's your business.

791
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,119
But what you will get

792
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,359
when you come to
somebody on the stunt register

793
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,879
is a professional
performer or coordinator,

794
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,519
who's done it before and
expects to be paid correctly

795
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,599
and expects to have a
contract which is enforceable

796
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,239
if either of you step outside
the realm of that contract."

797
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:24,719
And that's the way
it should be done.

798
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,279
-We came in with
no qualifications.

799
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,159
We were all hypocrites
in the world, you know.

800
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,639
[Laughs] Let's face it.

801
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,919
We dec-decided for the
better of the film business,

802
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,839
if you could form a group, an
organization of some people

803
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,999
that do have qualifications,
or if they haven't,

804
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,479
they work under people
that do have qualifications

805
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,159
and the safety
standards then are higher

806
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,079
because then we have
probationary, intermediate,

807
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,159
and then full members,
so they had to go through

808
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,199
a probationary period
to an intermediate period.

809
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,599
And when they're intermediate,

810
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,239
they could coordinate
their own stunts,

811
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,359
but they couldn't
coordinate for other people.

812
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,639
And then, once they got
enough qualification for that,

813
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,239
then they became
stunt coordinators

814
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:04,519
which is a totally
logical and sensible

815
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,839
and safe way of doing it.

816
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,399
-So, when they come
in, they're vetted,

817
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,039
so you had a committee who vet
whether they could ride a horse,

818
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,679
whether they could
do a fight scene,

819
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,119
whether they could
handle a sword,

820
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,799
whether they could do a fall,
they could swim. They could dive,

821
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,199
whether they could drive a car,

822
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,759
whether they could
drive a motorbike.

823
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,359
And then we formed a
book called the stunt register.

824
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,039
-Known as the book of lies.

825
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,080
[Upbeat music]

826
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,359
'Cause if one put
a dot by everything,

827
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,879
you know, they
could do everything

828
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,159
and say, "there's a black dot."

829
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,159
So that was commonly
known as the book of lies.

830
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,199
-My ex-partner, Alan Stewart,

831
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,839
did a car jump in
Hong Kong, right?

832
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,999
We had a car transported
there with a bus parked here,

833
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,039
and he goes over, jumps the bus.

834
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,879
And he put [laughs]

835
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,159
One year, he put that picture

836
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,959
of this happening in
the stunt book, right,

837
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,999
and Eddie eddon, god
rest his soul as well,

838
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,799
he put the same picture in in
his column of the same jump.

839
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,839
I'll never forget it.

840
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,599
I've still got the...
That one particular one.

841
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,359
-And it progressed
from there, really,

842
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,279
and it became something of...

843
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,639
Then became something
of a closed shop,

844
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:12,359
so that we, the stuntmen,
had a kind of monopoly

845
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,919
on doing stunts,
and the producers

846
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,039
only wanted to use
people off the stunt register

847
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,199
unless there was a particular
skill of something, like a...

848
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,359
You know, a trapeze artist
or something you could do,

849
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,079
then fine, but otherwise,

850
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,119
they were encouraged very
much to go on to the stunt register.

851
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:33,759
So, when you have a, um,
cartel, almost which is, you know,

852
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,639
pretty much what it was, with
the endorsement of the industry,

853
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,039
it's not like we were setting
out being the mafia and all,

854
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,959
or we were going out
threatening people,

855
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,639
but they principally want

856
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,159
would come to
the stunt register.

857
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,639
"Health and safety"
started to creep in,

858
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,439
where the insurance
companies and the producers

859
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,239
wanted to know that
there was actually

860
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:57,319
a delineated form of
progress for people,

861
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,239
and it made the
whole organization

862
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:00,959
a great deal more professional.

863
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,519
And as those older
members dropped away,

864
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,679
[clears throat]

865
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,839
Everybody was going to
become a lot more professional.

866
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,079
-It was really getting
technical then.

867
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:17,159
Special effects were coming
up and-and I found that you

868
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,879
uh, you'd work more
with special effects

869
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,439
than the older guys did,

870
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,199
because the older
guys just didn't do it.

871
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,039
-We're now the groundbreakers,
and moving forward,

872
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,599
on how to fly and how to
shoot upside-down sets,

873
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,720
and wires, and
all sorts of things.

874
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,199
-It was a busy
time, a busy period.

875
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,119
The '70s and '80s
and-and '90s, really.

876
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,400
That was when it all happened.

877
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:49,359
["Born to raise hell"
performed by motorhead]

878
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,240
[Scatting]

879
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,879
-♪ Listen up here I'll
make it quite clear ♪

880
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,839
♪ I'm gonna put some
boogie in your ear ♪

881
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,960
♪ shake and bop don't you stop ♪

882
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,119
♪ dance like a
maniac until you drop ♪

883
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,479
♪ I don't mind I don't mind ♪

884
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,080
♪ I can run a razor
right up your spine ♪

885
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,119
♪ what are you waiting for? ♪

886
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,999
♪ What do you think
you were created for? ♪

887
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,359
♪ Show us you care ♪

888
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,759
♪ show us you dare ♪

889
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,119
♪ you don't know what
happened if you weren't there ♪

890
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,039
♪ born to raise hell ♪

891
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,639
♪ we know how to do it ♪

892
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:50,719
♪ and we do it real well ♪

893
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,279
♪ born to raise hell ♪

894
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,039
♪ voodoo medicine ♪

895
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,519
♪ cast my spell ♪

896
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,039
♪ born to raise hell ♪

897
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,720
♪ play that guitar
just like ringin' a bell ♪

898
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,440
♪ Take it or leave it ♪

899
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:15,920
[Gunfire]

900
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,239
♪ Going for broke ♪

901
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:21,600
♪ rock 'til you choke ♪

902
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,519
♪ it don't matter if
you drink or smoke ♪

903
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,679
♪ speak through the beat ♪

904
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,719
♪ get up on your feet ♪

905
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:30,479
♪ sweating like a hound dog ♪

906
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,880
♪ white as a sheet ♪

907
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,679
♪ don't you be scared
don't you be scared ♪

908
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,719
♪ everybody terrified
it don't seem fair ♪

909
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,279
♪ what are you waiting for? ♪

910
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,800
♪ What do you think
you were created for ♪

911
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,799
♪ out of your seat
blind in the heat ♪

912
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,359
♪ do the nasty boogie
mama stomp your feet ♪

913
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,759
♪ born to raise hell
born to raise hell ♪

914
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,399
♪ we know how to do it ♪

915
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,279
♪ and we do it real well ♪

916
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,759
♪ born to raise hell ♪

917
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:04,999
♪ go back to zero ♪

918
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,199
♪ take a pill and get well ♪

919
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,719
♪ born to raise hell ♪

920
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:12,719
♪ be a good soldier ♪
- [Bomb exploding]

921
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:14,679
- [Rapid gunshots]
- ♪ and die where you fell ♪

922
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,159
[Chandelier shattering]

923
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,760
[Perky music]

924
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,119
♪ It's your momma ♪♪

925
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,720
[Lively guitar music]

926
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,360
[Rapid gunshots]

927
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,039
[Body thuds]

928
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,319
-It was just, it was
what we wanted to do.

929
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,399
It was what we were doing.

930
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,519
So naturally, wake up in
the morning, every day,

931
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:23,919
you'd be up at
five in the morning,

932
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,599
six days a week,
seven days a week.

933
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:26,919
You'd have a hangover

934
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,839
because you had a party
on the Saturday night.

935
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,279
And then you'd get up and do
design stuff on Sunday afternoon

936
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,319
if you weren't playing
tennis or doing something.

937
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:34,679
It was just the
way our life was.

938
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,719
-Yeah, it was a good
living. Yeah, absolutely.

939
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:39,119
And, uh, if, providing you got

940
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:44,279
on to the-to the
rollercoaster of coordinators.

941
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,439
Once you were on the team,

942
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,639
you just went from
one film to another film.

943
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,039
-And I'd be away for like
six, nine months at a time.

944
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,719
I worked with Stallone. Uh

945
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:56,679
I've doubled dolph lundgren.

946
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,239
I-I had got into a...

947
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:01,839
A lot of films like that

948
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,439
where I was
doubling main actors.

949
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,719
[Ray Winstone] Of all the
British stunt performers,

950
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:10,919
one seemed to stand out
above the rest within the industry.

951
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,319
Vic assumed legendary status
when he became associated with

952
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,639
and would go on to define

953
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,679
perhaps cinema's
greatest action hero.

954
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,599
-My brother was
working on two films.

955
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,079
One was called Hanover street.

956
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,039
And he said, "there's a guy
in there looks just like you."

957
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,599
And then the other one
was force 10 from navarone

958
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,839
in yugoslavia or
somewhere funny.

959
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,639
And I was talking to
him on the phone one day

960
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,799
because you
couldn't, in those days,

961
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,319
you couldn't, didn't have emails

962
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,359
and didn't have skypes
or anything like that.

963
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,959
And he'd phoned home
to mum and dad once,

964
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,799
and I was talking to
him. He said, "here, Vic,

965
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,519
"I'm wor... Got this
actor on this film.

966
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,039
He's a dead ringer
for you, you know.

967
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,399
You should keep an eye on him.

968
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,599
If he, you know, gets famous,

969
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,199
he'd be a good one
for you to double."

970
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,399
"Oh, what's his name?"
He said, "Harrison Ford."

971
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:00,039
Cut two years later,
1980 or something, '79,

972
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,959
and I kept getting these
calls from David tomblin,

973
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,839
one of the greatest ads
in the world, who we did

974
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,879
Superman, bridge too
far, many, many films with,

975
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,639
fantastic ad. He's saying, "look,
when are you coming back, though?

976
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,119
We've got this actor.
You're-you're a good double for him."

977
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,679
And it was Harrison, which
I didn't know at that time.

978
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:15,759
I arrived on the set,

979
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,799
and Peter diamond
was the stunt coordinator.

980
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,039
They met me and everything
else. All the stunt guys were there,

981
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,519
hanging 'round the set, and
I was watching them filming

982
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,199
and obviously knew Spielberg
and everything else by this time.

983
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,319
I knew of them.

984
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,439
So, I'm walking away,

985
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,879
and somebody's shouting,
"Harrison" and I ignored him

986
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,879
and "Harrison, Harrison."

987
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,359
And then somebody grabbed me
on the shoulder, spun me around,

988
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,039
and said, "but
you're not Harrison."

989
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,239
And it was Steven Spielberg.

990
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:41,759
And I went, "no. No, I'm not."

991
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,079
And he went, "and who are
you?" I said, "Vic Armstrong."

992
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,839
He says, "what are
you doing here?" I said,

993
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,599
"I've just arrived last night. I'm
a stuntman. Just got called in."

994
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,399
"You're a stuntman?
Tomblin, David, David.

995
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,399
Look, this guy rates
he's a stuntman.

996
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,159
He looks just like Harrison."

997
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,519
And, um, David said,
"well, this is the guy

998
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,119
I've been telling
you about, Steven.

999
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,799
He's not been available. He's
just arrived now, you know?"

1000
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,799
[Gasps] "Oh, okay. Okay, okay."

1001
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,399
And that was my introduction
to Steven Spielberg.

1002
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,639
And a couple of days later,
dav... Peter diamond said,

1003
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,879
"look, you handle the
fight round the flying wing

1004
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,959
with big pat roach"
who's an old mate of mine,

1005
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,479
I fought pat for years and
years and years in films.

1006
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,399
"You handle pat around the

1007
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,079
the fight around
the flying wing.

1008
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,999
I've got to go and
start the truck chase."

1009
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,159
First morning we were there,
again, it was almost lunchtime,

1010
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,199
Spielberg had sort of,

1011
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,999
didn't really talk to me
much during the day,

1012
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,519
but I'm just watching
all the shots.

1013
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,319
In those days, you had
to get your... look over

1014
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,559
the lens of the camera when
they're doing the punches,

1015
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,879
and make sure the punch,
you know, there wasn't a miss

1016
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,519
or anything when
they... When they hit.

1017
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,279
And one of these punches,

1018
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,559
it's just about
lunchtime, and he,

1019
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,559
Harrison, threw a punch at,
um, pat roach, and Steven went,

1020
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,639
"fantastic. That was
great. That was great.

1021
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:50,959
Okay, next shot's over here."

1022
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,119
And I said, "excuse
me, Mr. Spielberg"

1023
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,239
and he went, "hm?"

1024
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:55,999
And this was the first
time he was even aware

1025
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,159
I was on the set, coordinating.

1026
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,999
Um, I said, "I think
that was a miss."

1027
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,399
"No, I think it was a hit."

1028
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,759
And I said, "i'm-I'm
pretty sure it was a miss."

1029
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,159
You know, we have to stand
up and be counted, you know,

1030
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,239
so anyway. Okay, we do it again,

1031
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:11,599
and he's a bit sarcastic,
and we did it again.

1032
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,199
So you cut to
nearly five days later,

1033
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,759
because in those days, they'd
send the rushes back to england,

1034
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,319
they'd process and have a look at
them and they'd send them back,

1035
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,799
and then they set up a
projector in the lobby of the hotel.

1036
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,279
And sure enough,
the shot comes up,

1037
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,239
and I'm about three
rows back from Spielberg.

1038
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:26,959
And he watches it and
you see the first one,

1039
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,039
and he went, "you're
absolutely right, Vic."

1040
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,439
By now we're friends, you know.

1041
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,599
"You're absolutely right,
Vic. Yeah, it was a miss."

1042
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,239
And the next one
comes, it's on the money.

1043
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,239
Cool. I couldn't do
anything wrong after that.

1044
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:39,359
So that was... I-I'd
earned my spurs.

1045
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,919
So that was the start
of-of-of Indiana Jones,

1046
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,239
which was, to me was fabulous.

1047
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:47,280
[♪♪♪]

1048
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,319
-[Mutters] Indiana Jones and
the temple of doom... yeah.

1049
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,239
I'm on-on there because
I'm doubling the arch villain.

1050
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:13,359
-Frank is wonderful,

1051
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,119
wonderful sense of humor.

1052
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,479
And I had him doubling mola ram

1053
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,759
on Indiana Jones and
the temple of doom.

1054
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,799
I've fought with him on that
hanging stair at the bridge

1055
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,519
where, when the bridge is
broken and men are hanging on it.

1056
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,599
-Up the top one is
Vic and I, obviously.

1057
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,799
But on the 30-foot
ones is Harrison and I.

1058
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,079
I've always got on
well with Harrison.

1059
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,559
I've worked on about
four or five films with him.

1060
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:36,959
I've been out to
dinner with him.

1061
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,279
A lovely man.

1062
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,959
And Harrison said,

1063
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,999
"I don't want to fight
with him" - the actor.

1064
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,679
He said he may not know
where to miss and all that.

1065
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,959
So I let frank up there.

1066
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,959
Vic said to me, "you
get a thousand pounds

1067
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,359
for shaving your hair."

1068
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,199
I said, "Vic, you can do
it all day long." [Laughs]

1069
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,879
Every week.

1070
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,079
[♪♪♪]
[Harrison grunts]

1071
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,999
[Vic Armstrong] The
bridge has broken,

1072
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,759
men are hanging on
it, and I'm fighting him,

1073
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,639
and this guy's falling past us
down into the crocodiles below.

1074
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,759
And I'm hanging on the...
On the ladder at the bottom,

1075
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,279
nearly gone and-and
frank had to fall off the top,

1076
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:11,359
one of the rungs.

1077
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,359
He's trying to escape
one of the rungs breaking.

1078
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,679
He falls, goes past me, and
then grabs a rung below me

1079
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,279
and we carry on fighting.

1080
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,999
[Kate groaning]

1081
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,000
[Mola grunting]

1082
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:30,679
-Like an idiot, I put a-a
small harness on here.

1083
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,959
And I hooked on there
instead of having it up here.

1084
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:40,320
So, as I let go, the weight
of the body, I turned over.

1085
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,999
-And he came by me and
bashed off me and flew past.

1086
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,319
And I thought his cable had
snapped because he went so fast

1087
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,239
and a bit further
than we'd measured.

1088
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:51,319
-It was so quick.

1089
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,399
And the next minute,
Vic is... has grabbed me

1090
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,560
because he thinks I'm
going, and we're fighting.

1091
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:03,359
-"For Christ's sake,
frank, are you all right?"

1092
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,279
Bang. "Christ, I thought
we'd lost you there."

1093
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,799
Bang! And he
kicks me in the nuts.

1094
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:07,959
And I bash him on the

1095
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,439
[Vic and frank grunting]

1096
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,319
[Kate capshaw] [Shouting] No.

1097
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,879
-I think, to be honest, Vic
was more relieved than me

1098
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,279
that I'd stopped.

1099
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,599
-And it was so funny, I was
worried to death about him

1100
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,599
and punching the shit out
of him at the same time.

1101
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,119
[Laughing]

1102
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,680
-[Yelling] [Indistinct].

1103
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,360
[Mola gasps]

1104
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,520
[Mola screaming]

1105
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,919
-They were just tremendous.

1106
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,519
It was very, very
satisfying films to work on.

1107
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,239
They're dirty.
They're hard work.

1108
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:44,839
Dirty in as much
as they're dusty

1109
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,999
and always in funny situations.

1110
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,559
And they're hard work,
very exacting director,

1111
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,119
but we gave him what he wanted.

1112
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,359
And the sense of
gratification was great from him

1113
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:56,399
and from us, you know.

1114
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,119
It was very, very
satisfying films,

1115
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,399
and that's what I like doing.

1116
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:04,999
So those first three will be
forever in my happy memory bank.

1117
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,279
[Laughs]

1118
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,679
[Ray Winstone] Now, Vic
might have been creating heroes,

1119
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,879
but the others were
getting to work with theirs.

1120
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,559
-Rickson, I said outside.

1121
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:14,599
Now come on!

1122
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:15,919
-That cuts it.

1123
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,360
[Punches thrown]

1124
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,279
- [John grunts]
- [Glass clanks]

1125
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,319
[Ray Winstone] When John
Wayne came over to London

1126
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:24,839
to shoot his action
film brannigan,

1127
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,719
he had the cream of
the crop to choose from,

1128
00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:30,599
and frank henson
couldn't believe his luck.

1129
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,039
-I love John Wayne.

1130
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,359
And the first time I did a stunt
with him, he bollocked me.

1131
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,839
[Car tires screeching]

1132
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,519
Peter said to
me, "your first job

1133
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,839
is driving this e-type at him."

1134
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,239
And Dougie hickox, the
director, taught me terribly to me,

1135
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:50,279
said, "frank, when you come in,

1136
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,279
swing 'round like this,
and then come in."

1137
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:55,999
So eeeehhh.

1138
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,119
[♪♪♪]

1139
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,080
[Car engine speeding]

1140
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,599
Wayne went, "that
looked fucking terrible."

1141
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,119
I said, "what do you want?"

1142
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,759
Before I started, I
loved him all my life.

1143
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,359
He said to come
straight through there.

1144
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:10,879
I said "I'm doing
70 miles an hour."

1145
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,439
"You come straight
through there."

1146
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:13,959
Go back in the
car, "fucking nutter."

1147
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,000
[Laughs]

1148
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,160
[Car engine speeding]

1149
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,720
[Rapid gunshots]

1150
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:28,999
Got out, he went...

1151
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,959
[punch thrown] Hit me, he
went, "that wasn't bad, kid."

1152
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,359
After that we got
on brilliant together.

1153
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,439
What he was worried
about, like I understand now,

1154
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,119
he wasn't sure which
side I was going to come.

1155
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:40,679
Where he's shooting at me,

1156
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,399
and as I go past
is more shooting.

1157
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,559
So that was my first
[laughs] tie-tie-up with Wayne.

1158
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,519
[Ray Winstone] Having
proven himself to Wayne,

1159
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,999
and stunt coordinator
Peter Bryant,

1160
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,119
frank was charged
with pulling off

1161
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,919
the film's most memorable stunt,

1162
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,439
but things didn't
go entirely to plan.

1163
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:01,479
-So, we go up there,

1164
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:02,959
and they're
explaining their point

1165
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,839
where the camera's going to be.

1166
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,599
And I said in front of all
these police and everyone else,

1167
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,799
"you look", I said, "we've
already been on the bridge,

1168
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,279
and I've stood on it,

1169
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,439
and we can get about
an angle like that."

1170
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,559
I said, "when I come
over your bridge,"

1171
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,279
I said, 'hopefully I can get up
to about 40, 50 miles an hour.

1172
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,119
And that will take me way over.

1173
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,719
And I could land about here
and come down the other side."

1174
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:30,679
I said, "and, um, there
should be no damage

1175
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,279
to your bridge whatsoever."

1176
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,799
So they went outside,
and they came back.

1177
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,919
They said, "we
don't particularly mind

1178
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,079
if you kill yourself,

1179
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,079
but you're not
damaging the bridge.

1180
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,599
So, the answer's no." [Laughs]

1181
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,999
We closed all the bridge
and what they did allow us,

1182
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,519
made a ramp about
six or eight feet.

1183
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,439
And I jumped the
car over the ramp

1184
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,039
then lifted the bri...
The car up here.

1185
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,439
And I drove it
down the other side.

1186
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,480
[♪♪♪]

1187
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,319
And I jumped it onto the skip,

1188
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,879
and then Wayne
gets out of the car

1189
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,879
and bang, and so forth.

1190
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,639
[♪♪♪]

1191
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,559
When they put those
three pieces together,

1192
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:18,599
when you see the film,

1193
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,119
it looks like you've
jumped the bridge.

1194
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,359
But, you know, you can't...

1195
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:23,759
There's no point
in telling lies,

1196
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,679
"I jumped tower
bridge," because I didn't.

1197
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,239
But, um, it's how it was
all, and also you couldn't,

1198
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:30,359
because in Wayne's book,

1199
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,119
he said, "frank, next
time we'll jump it."

1200
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,999
So, you-you couldn't
lie if you wanted to lie.

1201
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,719
And the last time I ever met
him I found out it was the same.

1202
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:40,399
I had bright green trousers on.

1203
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:41,599
All things had changed.

1204
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,719
No one wore evening
dress and all that.

1205
00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:46,239
He went, "fucking hell, is
this in Saint Patrick's night?"

1206
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:48,399
[Laughs]

1207
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,719
So that was my... but I had
lots of conversations with him

1208
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:55,079
in between, and, um, some,
once again, you could tell,

1209
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,519
and some you can't,
you know. But...

1210
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,079
And so I met my
hero, as it were.

1211
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,159
[Ray Winstone] While
some of [indistinct] guys

1212
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,639
were fulfilling their
action dreams,

1213
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,159
rocky found himself
taking a romantic lead.

1214
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,600
-Irene papas,
[indistinct] And navarone.

1215
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:12,560
Remember that?

1216
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:16,680
-Spiro.

1217
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:19,800
[Slap thrown]

1218
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,359
-What did you do that for?

1219
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,559
-To remind you to
write letters occasionally.

1220
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,559
[Men laugh]
- I was sitting there.

1221
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,119
I was sitting on, sitting
in the desert with her,

1222
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,199
and they were shooting
this beautiful film

1223
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,319
of her and this baby,

1224
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,959
whose mother and father
have been shot or something.

1225
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,479
And she was there,
comfort-comforting this baby.

1226
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,359
Telling him how
wonderful, and don't worry,

1227
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:43,879
she'll look after
him and all that.

1228
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,559
And tears were
running down her eyes

1229
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,239
and tears were
running down my eyes.

1230
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,759
And I thought she was marvelous.

1231
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,479
So when she got
up and walked away,

1232
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,679
I said, "Irene, I cried.
You were fabulous."

1233
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,799
She went, "what?" I said, "you
made me cry with that scene."

1234
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,959
"Oh, thank you. Your
name, is it rocky?"

1235
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:02,559
She went, "oh, rocky,
thank you." "All right."

1236
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:03,999
Cut.

1237
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,759
A week later, we were on
a square with our horses

1238
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,319
and all the stuff on,
and guns and all that,

1239
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,479
and she's over
there, sitting in a chair

1240
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,479
and I'm on my horse
and she's going like that,

1241
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:18,800
and I've gone like that.

1242
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:26,879
And ten minutes later, I
get a tap on my shoulder.

1243
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,919
Yes, it's her assistant
with a little note,

1244
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,439
"yes. Would you care to have
dinner with me this evening?"

1245
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:38,080
[Laughs] So I went
and had dinner.

1246
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,119
Cut.

1247
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:42,999
-And because we
were reasonably small,

1248
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,679
there were only
about 70 of us then

1249
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,199
to distribute out
amongst the good,

1250
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,119
you were always working.
You were always busy.

1251
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,359
Nobody thought about it.
They just gave you a contract.

1252
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,559
And these huge checks
would arrive through the thing

1253
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,159
and they-they'd
dent the doormat.

1254
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,199
They were enormous
checks, you know.

1255
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,079
Great stuff, just
buy another Harley.

1256
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,120
[♪♪♪]

1257
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,479
-When I was potless,
I had no confidence.

1258
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:14,560
Once I didn't do too
badly, I gained confidence.

1259
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:22,799
-You're friends
but you're-you're...

1260
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,199
Huge competitors, you know.

1261
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,239
It's an individual
business and, uh,

1262
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,119
and it's a freelance business,

1263
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:30,719
and you don't
work, you don't eat,

1264
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,439
your family doesn't eat,
so it is... it's cutthroat.

1265
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,479
-There's a lot of backstabbing.

1266
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,719
There's a lot, a
lot, to get the job.

1267
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,279
-You're all fighting
for the same jobs

1268
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:41,599
no matter what size you are.

1269
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,439
It's not because you're
6'6", and he's 5'6",

1270
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,959
you're not going
for the same jobs.

1271
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,039
You are.

1272
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,839
So therefore, it goes
down to your ability

1273
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,479
to talk somebody
into employing you

1274
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,719
or convincing them that
they should employ you

1275
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,039
over and above anybody else.

1276
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,799
-I'm better than him.

1277
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,319
He'll do it. I'll do it.

1278
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,199
No, he, i-oh, no. Don't use him.

1279
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,119
He's-he's not reliable.

1280
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,559
-Yeah. You'd get
up in the morning

1281
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:04,999
and everybody
else in the business

1282
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,759
is your competitor
if you're not working.

1283
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,519
[Ray Winstone] No
matter how you look at it,

1284
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,399
in the whole history
of British stunt work,

1285
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,079
there's really only one
name that sums up the guts,

1286
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,399
ingenuity, outlandishness,

1287
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,839
the sheer swagger of
our homegrown term.

1288
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,119
And that name is

1289
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:21,160
-bond.

1290
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:23,799
James Bond.

1291
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,399
-Everyone wants to
work on a 007 film.

1292
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,399
I think all performers would
love to work on a 007 film.

1293
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,919
-007 is the epitome
of a stunt film

1294
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,079
for an act-for a stuntman.

1295
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:36,359
I've gone all over the world.

1296
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,359
I worked in 70 countries.

1297
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,719
Knowing you got a
007, "oh, my god,"

1298
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,439
they'd like genuflect
in front of you.

1299
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,639
You know, it is the
holy grail of stunts.

1300
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,519
-It's the one film
in this country

1301
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,719
that says stuntman,

1302
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,359
you know, right back
from the beginning.

1303
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:52,639
You know, when
I used to go down,

1304
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,559
I was a kid, it was
always stuntmen.

1305
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,519
-In the old days, um,
meant weeks of work

1306
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,359
prepping, because there
was no postproduction.

1307
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,919
So everything was
done in camera. And

1308
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,279
we prepped and we prepped,
and we prepped to move,

1309
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:08,959
and we rehearsed
up in the band room

1310
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,279
at pinewood.

1311
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,639
We used to have trampolines
and various things up there.

1312
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,319
And-and we'd work out what
the gags were, whether it was...

1313
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:16,679
Bob, I mean, Bob Simmons,

1314
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,479
who was the coordinator
on those early ones

1315
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,839
that we used to work on. And

1316
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,239
Bob would just say,
"oh, yeah, that's right.

1317
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:24,919
Love it. Yeah,
that'll work. Yeah.

1318
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,759
Go on. Carry on. Do your thing."

1319
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,239
And alf joined to be teaching us

1320
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,679
how to do things a little bit
more seriously, and all that,

1321
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,199
and Bob would be just
coming up and supervising.

1322
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,279
And-and, uh, if there
was a bit of sword work,

1323
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,319
Bob Anderson would
be there teaching us,

1324
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:41,559
you know, a little bit of that.

1325
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,599
And we just spent weeks
there. And they were great.

1326
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,199
I mean, they
were just fantastic.

1327
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:50,199
They were, um, uh-uh, just
endless weeks of rehearsal

1328
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:51,279
to get it right.

1329
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,479
But woe betide,
if you got on there,

1330
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,479
and then you didn't get
it right because you...

1331
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,879
They'd paid for a few
weeks of rehearsal time,

1332
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,999
and you better make damn
sure you're actually ready

1333
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,639
to put it on-on camera.

1334
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:03,959
-[Indistinct] Done the fall.

1335
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,559
[Bomb exploding]

1336
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:07,879
[Water splashing]

1337
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,959
All the submarines, I think I
got killed about seven times

1338
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,839
in different outfits in
the same scene on that.

1339
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,759
-I did a lot of stuff
for Roger in India,

1340
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,679
running through the
jungle, swinging on the rope.

1341
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,720
[Rapid gunshots]

1342
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:24,599
[Man] Aw.

1343
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,599
-Um, we jumped a
three... Two-Wheeler,

1344
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,639
three-Wheeler over a camel.

1345
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,040
[Roger] Hang on, James.

1346
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,720
[Car engine speeding]

1347
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,159
-I was in the back of that

1348
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,639
doubling for Roger, running
through the streets for him;

1349
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,439
there was lots of running around

1350
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:45,879
because he
couldn't run very well.

1351
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,279
So I did most of
that running around.

1352
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,040
As it happened, the phone went.

1353
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:55,039
Vic Armstrong,
Barbados, Bahamas:

1354
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,879
"Rocky, yeah, can
you fly out tomorrow?"

1355
01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:58,919
"Where to?"

1356
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:00,239
"To The Bahamas."

1357
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,079
And I thought,
"well, funny enough,

1358
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,199
I've just been sacked."

1359
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,119
"So, what kind?

1360
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,679
What for?" He said,
"you're doubling for Sean."

1361
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,039
And there was a scene

1362
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,960
where he comes crashing
through the window

1363
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,639
[wooded window clattering]

1364
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,319
And he strangles
me 'round the neck

1365
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,759
-♪ [indistinct] ♪

1366
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,879
♪ I know there's danger there ♪

1367
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:23,919
-With a rope.

1368
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,759
I think I got killed five times.

1369
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,239
In the op... It's the
opening title sequences

1370
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:29,319
of never say never.

1371
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,159
I think I got killed five times.

1372
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,039
-♪ I know there's danger there ♪

1373
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,119
[Rapid gunshots]

1374
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,599
- [Punch thrown]
- [Man grunts]

1375
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,080
[Man thuds]

1376
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:41,719
-Doubling for Roger, you know,

1377
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:46,799
running along the route up,
the train top on octopussy,

1378
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,199
and ducking under Bridges
and diving over pipes.

1379
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,239
[Gunshot]

1380
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,679
[Roger grunts]
- They were such fun

1381
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,399
because Roger
Moore was just a giggle.

1382
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,199
I never, I didn't... I worked
on one of the Connery ones

1383
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,079
as an armorer, but
not as a stuntman,

1384
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,799
but you know, with-with-with
Roger Moore, he was a giggle.

1385
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,679
I mean, he would just,
he-he he was a practical joker.

1386
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,279
And, uh, it was fun.

1387
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,359
Weeks and weeks
and weeks of work,

1388
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,079
and then we'd be on the big
set for the exp... you know,

1389
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,759
the villain's lair exploding
and all that kind of stuff,

1390
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,159
and when we did the,

1391
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,359
we did the, uh,
the submarine set,

1392
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,839
which is what the
007 stage was built for,

1393
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,680
for the spy who loved me.

1394
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,640
[Rapid gunshots]

1395
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,239
And then, some of us are doing

1396
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,399
falls into the water, or things,

1397
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,479
and-and rocky did a gag on that

1398
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,079
where he drives a mini moke
off the edge into the water.

1399
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,879
[Car exploded]

1400
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,759
- [Man screams]
- [Water splashing]

1401
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,839
-You know, it was freezing cold.

1402
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,199
I did one fall into the water

1403
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:53,999
and [indistinct]
did a stair fall,

1404
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,479
and all that kind of stuff,
but, you know, it was all

1405
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,319
part of the game.
They were just such fun.

1406
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,839
-And now, you know, my
street cred's really gone up.

1407
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:03,879
I've done two bonds now,

1408
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,159
doubling for the
lead in... in one.

1409
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,920
[Crash]

1410
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,719
And then, pretty soon
after that, live and let die,

1411
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,239
doubled Roger on the fight

1412
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,400
with the [indistinct]
in the shark pen.

1413
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:22,919
[Hinges creaking]

1414
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:23,959
-Hold up.

1415
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:25,199
- [Kick thrown]
- [Man grunts]

1416
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:26,639
[Body thuds]

1417
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,959
-Now, I got three under
my belt and suddenly,

1418
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,759
you start to get into the
premier league, you know.

1419
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,119
And there weren't many stunt
people around in those days,

1420
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,439
and I was one of
the few young ones.

1421
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:38,999
Uh, the youngest,

1422
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,959
I think rocky's a little
bit older than me,

1423
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,439
but I'd started just before him.

1424
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:47,439
Rocky, me, Mark
boyle, Martin grace,

1425
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,159
Tim condren, bill Weston,

1426
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,279
we were the sort of
newcomers in those days,

1427
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:55,599
and, uh, and I had three
bonds under my belt, you know,

1428
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,839
plus doubling for the
lead in two of them, so,

1429
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,439
you know, you have street
credit and obviously, you work it

1430
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,039
and sell it as much
as you can, you know.

1431
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,159
[Laughs]

1432
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:08,679
-Octopussy, I had a
part in that as... as,

1433
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,239
um, Steven berkoff's driver.

1434
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,439
[Car engine revving]

1435
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,199
His character was called
orlov, and I was orlov's driver.

1436
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:21,079
And I get shot by
bond and do a stair fall.

1437
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,120
[Rapid gunshots]

1438
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,599
-It was a great, great
crew to be part of,

1439
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,559
and then to be asked to
be the stunt coordinator,

1440
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,919
um, was... was wonderful.

1441
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:41,839
License to kill, I, um, I-I
had an American stunt guy,

1442
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,479
who was... who
brought all his equipment

1443
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,799
and he was going to do
the big fire burn at the end,

1444
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:51,439
um, but I was doubling
Sanchez on the back of the truck

1445
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,279
and jumping off, uh, uh, off
the trucks and things like that.

1446
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,159
[♪♪♪]

1447
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:58,199
[Punch thrown]

1448
01:06:58,200 --> 01:06:59,240
[Man groans]

1449
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,199
[Kick thrown]

1450
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:07,480
[Man groans]

1451
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,799
[Man grunts]

1452
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,239
-So, I was dressed as him
and I was a good double for him.

1453
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,959
So I was coordinating,
and a double for Sanchez.

1454
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,999
And when... the day
before we were about to do...

1455
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,639
We turned the truck down
and it crashed down the rocks,

1456
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,199
and the day before we
were about to do the big burn

1457
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,039
he said, came to me,
he said, "if I leave tonight,

1458
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:36,279
I can get a job for two months,
but I have to leave tonight."

1459
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:37,319
I said, "okay."

1460
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,879
Well, you know, I
know what it's like

1461
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,359
when you've got one day's work

1462
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,199
and... and it stops you
doing a-a-a few weeks' work.

1463
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,439
So, I said, "okay. You go
ahead, leave this stuff here.

1464
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:48,599
I'll do it myself."

1465
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,479
Fire jobs are very
dangerous, um, you know.

1466
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,159
You can't run away from fire.

1467
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,799
You-you have to rehearse,

1468
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,359
let them know exactly
what you're gonna do,

1469
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,159
and then when you've had
enough, you lay flat on the phone...

1470
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,839
On the floor, with
your arms outstretched,

1471
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,599
and you don't move, um,

1472
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,679
because they can't
catch you if you run.

1473
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,039
Um, so you may be
burning but you lay still

1474
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,239
while you're burning, and
then they come and put you out.

1475
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,159
So, this was a-a
tricky job because, uh,

1476
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:18,799
I was going to be on fire

1477
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,439
for I thought about 30
seconds, which is long.

1478
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:22,599
It's a long time.

1479
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,799
So, I was on three
minutes of air.

1480
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,719
So you get a little air bottle
you put down in your costume

1481
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,199
and you have a tube going up

1482
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,119
underneath the
mask into your mouth.

1483
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,279
So I figured that it'll take
me a minute and a half

1484
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:41,159
to get onto the set, um, and
probably a-a minute for them

1485
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,839
to do the wig and...

1486
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:49,239
Hairdressers... they want
every, you know, get it dead right.

1487
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:50,439
And so I said,

1488
01:08:50,440 --> 01:08:54,279
"I'm going to have probably,
um, two and a half minutes

1489
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,599
before I-I-I do the job."

1490
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,719
And just 130 seconds
at the end of it,

1491
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,959
to be, to be got out.

1492
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,399
So, I got on the set, I got...

1493
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:04,959
[clears throat] A
minute and a half,

1494
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,639
they're messing around,
so they then gel me up,

1495
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:12,999
and they say, "okay, stand
by," and I'm on there [inhaling]

1496
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,959
I figured I'd have done
about a minute and a half,

1497
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,239
just over [clears throat]

1498
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:21,599
And he said, "turn over,
and... Hold on, hold on, hold it.

1499
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:22,799
Problem with the camera."

1500
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,759
So, i'm, [inhaling] "Sure.
Hurry up, hurry up."

1501
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,319
Timothy Dalton
sitting opposite me,

1502
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,479
and he's got to
pretend to light me

1503
01:09:29,480 --> 01:09:32,279
and then run
when I catch on fire.

1504
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,279
So, we're standing now,
and I'm going [inhales]

1505
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:37,759
"Come on, come on," and
he said, "okay, and action."

1506
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,599
[Bond breathing heavily]

1507
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,519
-You could have had everything.

1508
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,160
-Don't you want to know why?

1509
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,240
-He set me alight,
boof, I go up.

1510
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:05,160
And as I go up, I
go, [Blowing] Nothing.

1511
01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:08,240
So I think, "don't panic."

1512
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,399
It was like sucking up treacle.

1513
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,719
It was like [inhaling]

1514
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,279
"See, if you can just blow
the tube, clear the tube..."

1515
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,199
so I blew the tube,
and [inhales] I had air.

1516
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,080
So then I could do the job.

1517
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,879
So I-I was on fire. I
couldn't see anything.

1518
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,759
But I'd rehearsed with the boys

1519
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,199
I would fall down onto my knees,

1520
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,600
get up, move forward,
feel the side of the truck.

1521
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,839
Then on the floor,

1522
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,680
I had rocks so I could
feel it with my feet.

1523
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,960
And I could get in
position and then fall over.

1524
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,039
I was out of air.

1525
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,440
When I hit the
floor, I was out of air.

1526
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,159
And then they were putting
the flame bars up behind me,

1527
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,280
and it was like the
whole place blew up.

1528
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,639
Lucky enough they
came in very quickly,

1529
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,999
and took the mask off and I was

1530
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,359
but when I stood up and they're
shaking my hand and saying,

1531
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:21,679
"oh great, shot, wonderful."

1532
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,559
That's when I was burning.

1533
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,319
The hand... heat transference
through the costume.

1534
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,679
The first costume had gone,

1535
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,479
the fire suit had been
burned all the way up the back,

1536
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:34,919
but the heat transference
going through the costume

1537
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:36,439
was suddenly on me, I was going

1538
01:11:36,440 --> 01:11:39,039
[groaning]

1539
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,999
But I was... I was
feeling the heat then.

1540
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:47,719
-And the highlight of bond
for me is being a ninja in 1966,

1541
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,559
and it's 65 quid a week, to

1542
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,279
the last bond I did,
which is die another day,

1543
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,399
I think the boat
chase and all that stuff.

1544
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,319
Spending, you know,
15-20 mill, whatever it was,

1545
01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:59,759
millions of dollars and pounds,

1546
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,319
doing that boat chase, and
it was all the other chases,

1547
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,279
and coming up with
ideas and directing it

1548
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,359
and, you know,
editing it with the editors

1549
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,199
and inventing it.

1550
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:10,799
I'm very, very proud
of that, you know.

1551
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,280
So they're the highlights.

1552
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:16,039
-There... there are some
hairy ones you do. But

1553
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,999
you've given yourself
to the industry.

1554
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,919
-It scares the life out
of you a lot of times.

1555
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,759
You know, I did a
hundred-foot fall for

1556
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,560
Mark boyle on
the final conflict.

1557
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,519
[♪♪♪]

1558
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,200
[Horse galloping]

1559
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,440
[Horse neighing]

1560
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,519
And you're standing
there on the viaduct

1561
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,559
looking down, and the
airbag looks about this big,

1562
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,719
and you know you're
gonna be doing, you know,

1563
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:53,519
70, 80 miles an
hour when you hit it.

1564
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,039
You better be in
the right position,

1565
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:56,919
but you also got to
look like a falling body.

1566
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:58,319
You can't be a
swan diver you know

1567
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,120
[horse neighing]

1568
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,519
[Man screaming]

1569
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,159
[Water splashing]

1570
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:09,839
-I think, "Whoo,
why am I doing this?"

1571
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,039
[Laughs]

1572
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,799
-If you've got any
sense, there's fear.

1573
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,959
The stuntmen, or
so-called stuntmen who say,

1574
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,919
"I'm fearless, I
will do anything,"

1575
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:20,879
and they're not
worried about it,

1576
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,879
they're the ones that you
want to stay away from,

1577
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,039
and don't do stunts with.

1578
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,759
You don't say, "I'm fearless."

1579
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:28,279
You stand on the
edge, you look at it,

1580
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,159
you check everything
out before you do it.

1581
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,959
-Fear. Fear is... is the edge

1582
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,359
that's... that's about
judgment and everything.

1583
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:39,719
And it's a question
of-of channeling that,

1584
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:41,799
to do that and not being
overwhelmed by the fear.

1585
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,999
Because the moment you
get overwhelmed by the fear,

1586
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,839
you're... you're...
You're knackered.

1587
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,839
Your sphincter is going
half-crown, sixpence

1588
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,799
every time any of us
work if it's a tricky job.

1589
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,399
But you... you over...
You overcome that,

1590
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:54,839
or you learn to say no.

1591
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,119
But if you learn to say no
more than two or three times,

1592
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,799
when there's no
good reason for it,

1593
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,079
then you kind of go,

1594
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,959
"mm. Okay, well, I don't
think... I'd rather not be

1595
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,679
put in the position where
I've got him on the set

1596
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,919
and he's gonna say
no, so I won't use him."

1597
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,039
And then they kind of

1598
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,719
you don't see them
very much after that.

1599
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,439
But I wouldn't ridicule anybody

1600
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:17,359
who admits that
his time has come

1601
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,039
or that his bottle
is not what it was.

1602
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,759
-You've got to be
conscious of fear.

1603
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,159
You got to be aware of it.

1604
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:24,999
Otherwise, you're
gonna hurt someone,

1605
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,439
someone's going
to get hurt badly.

1606
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:31,079
-The most important thing
is that you do it yourself.

1607
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:32,319
Your... you're number one,

1608
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,679
and you go out and
you know the risks.

1609
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,559
And the risks are,
you're going to get hurt.

1610
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,359
-The director's got his way,

1611
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:39,879
he's got his film
he wants to make.

1612
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,479
He obviously wants
to make the best film

1613
01:14:41,480 --> 01:14:42,759
that ever has been done.

1614
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,719
He gets hold of
the first assistant,

1615
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,519
the art department,
gets them all there.

1616
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:47,759
He wants the greatest sets.

1617
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,999
He wants to, you know, a-a
stunt coordinator to come in,

1618
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,399
and give him the best,
most spectacular stunts.

1619
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:58,399
You know, and... and... and
which we all want to try and do.

1620
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,559
But sometimes you
have to, you know,

1621
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,799
he has to bend a little
way to-to make that work.

1622
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,719
They've got to look after us
like we want to look after them.

1623
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:11,039
[Ray Winstone] One
director, who, it could be said,

1624
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:15,039
did not look after his crew,
was this chap. Michael winner.

1625
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,399
-I'm just wondering whether
you're a little insensitive.

1626
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,239
-I don't see
anything wrong today

1627
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,999
in showing what goes
on in life. It was not done.

1628
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,599
-But it isn't like that in life.

1629
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,399
I'm sorry, Mr. Winner.
- No, you don't know.

1630
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,159
- It just isn't.
- You've never been raped.

1631
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:28,439
-Have you ever asked me?

1632
01:15:28,440 --> 01:15:30,559
-Well, [chuckles]
Have you been raped?

1633
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,439
-Never liked him. He
was a horrible man.

1634
01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:35,239
-He got his stuff done but
he used to terrorize people.

1635
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,159
-Michael was
probably the only one

1636
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,679
that I diss in my book. [Laughs]

1637
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,519
Yeah, I did have a run-in
with him on the big sleep.

1638
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:46,279
He was doing things
which only a bully would do.

1639
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,359
-I used to see him on the set.

1640
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,679
And he used to have
this 15-, 16-year-old,

1641
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,439
learning to be in
the industry boy.

1642
01:15:56,440 --> 01:15:57,799
And he used to
click his fingers.

1643
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,959
[Snaps fingers]
That was for a script.

1644
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:03,079
[Fingers snapping twice]
That was for a cigar.

1645
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,559
[Fingers snapping
thrice] That's for a light.

1646
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,959
And it was just
pathetic to see it.

1647
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:09,919
-I mean, a lot of people
like him for what he is,

1648
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,119
but he is... he was rude.

1649
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,639
-I was doing a film
called revolution

1650
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,159
with Eddie Stacy,

1651
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,519
and we came back
from cornwall somewhere

1652
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,480
or down in Plymouth; Plymouth.

1653
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:26,079
And I had a phone call from
Mark boyle to come down,

1654
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:27,680
on a film called death wish 3.

1655
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,000
-You're letting me loose?

1656
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:33,279
-I'm letting you loose.

1657
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:34,479
[Yelling]

1658
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:37,520
[Rapid gunshots]

1659
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,399
-And I'm on it for
about two weeks,

1660
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,319
I think; Odd days here
and odd days there.

1661
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:47,359
[♪♪♪]

1662
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:48,759
And driving a motorbike,

1663
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,199
I had to drive a motorbike,
crashed it, as I said,

1664
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,159
done bits and pieces.

1665
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,999
Got shot, went down
some stairs, got on fire.

1666
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,879
All different gags
that were in the film.

1667
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:02,519
One shot where I come

1668
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,839
tearing down a road and
they put a wire across,

1669
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,799
take me off the bike, the
bike crashes and all that.

1670
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,039
All that was going on.

1671
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:13,839
And then I walk in one day,
Michael winner and Mark boyle

1672
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,279
standing there looking
at this building to the left.

1673
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:18,759
And I could hear
Michael winner say,

1674
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:20,599
"he'll do it. Rocky."

1675
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,159
I went, "what?" He said, "yeah.

1676
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,759
We want someone to
come off of that building.

1677
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,839
It's on fire, and we
need someone to jump."

1678
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,199
Yeah.

1679
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:34,079
I'm... "sure. I'll
have a go at it."

1680
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,839
I didn't know that two
people had turned it down

1681
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,159
before... before I went up.

1682
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,479
So, I go up with Mark
boyle, up to the roof,

1683
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:44,279
and look 'round, look down.

1684
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:48,639
He said, "we'll put boxes
down there, put a car, dig a hole,

1685
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,999
put the boxes there.

1686
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:55,279
We'll hide the
camera behind the car.

1687
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:56,799
You'll be over there.

1688
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,079
Flames come up.

1689
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,359
You'll come to the
edge of the building.

1690
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,599
And the flames go up.

1691
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,919
As you jump, the
flames go up behind you.

1692
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:09,319
It engulfs."

1693
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:10,359
"I mean, yeah.

1694
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:11,559
Sounds fine to me."

1695
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,239
-Winner's on one
of his bad days,

1696
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,199
uh, and rocky's up there.

1697
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:20,919
Johnny Evans, special effects.

1698
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:25,919
Um, and John always
does what the director says.

1699
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,079
If he says, turn up...
Turn up the flames,"

1700
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,199
John would turn up the flames.

1701
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,359
-I'm standing there,
and I could hear,

1702
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:34,400
"turn over."

1703
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,000
I turn over. "Light
the building."

1704
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:40,520
They lit the building.

1705
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:43,959
And before I knew where I was,

1706
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,839
the building wasn't
just a little bit aflame.

1707
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:51,080
It was 17 feet, 20 feet high.

1708
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:56,919
The flames just come
up like a bomb; It blew up.

1709
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:00,479
Winner flicked up the
switch. I'll never forget it.

1710
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:02,479
-And all I could hear
was winner going,

1711
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:04,719
"rocky, where are you? Rocky?

1712
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,119
Come on, rocky. Where's rocky?"

1713
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:08,879
I gotta... I gotta go.

1714
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,519
I know... I know that over
there where the boxes are.

1715
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:13,559
They're over there.

1716
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,079
If I can get through
them flames, and drop,

1717
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:17,919
I could land on the
boxes, and hopefully,

1718
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,759
everything will be alright.

1719
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,080
But it was very, very, very hot.

1720
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,159
So I put my hands to my face,

1721
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:29,400
I covered my face.

1722
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:35,040
And I ran to the wall.

1723
01:19:52,440 --> 01:19:56,719
Coming down, I could
see it was a foot away

1724
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,560
the edge of the boxes.

1725
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,840
[♪♪♪]

1726
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:09,799
-If he hadn't of
pushed off as hard

1727
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,039
he'd have made the rig, totally.

1728
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:13,159
But because he...

1729
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,559
To get through the flame,
he pushed that bit harder,

1730
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,439
half of him went into the rig
and the other half stayed out.

1731
01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:20,599
So he split himself in two.

1732
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:21,999
And it didn't need to happen,

1733
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:26,159
but it didn't need the
flames put up any more.

1734
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:27,759
[Rocky Taylor] I
broke my pelvis,

1735
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,239
my back, I have a burnt...

1736
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,280
My face is all blistered,
my hands are all blistered.

1737
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:42,279
So, I was in traction
for, uh, for three weeks

1738
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:46,319
where they had to
put a bolt through here,

1739
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,199
and a wire coming up here.

1740
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:52,039
And pull this bit every
day, with weights on,

1741
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,999
pulling it down,
to get it level.

1742
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:59,839
Mr. Winner then
came into the hospital,

1743
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:03,679
followed by five
or six newspapers.

1744
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,519
He laid next to me.

1745
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,479
And he whispered in my ear,

1746
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:09,839
"don't think you
can sue me, rocky,

1747
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,799
because you can't
get away with it."

1748
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:14,999
And he's got people
taking photographs of him

1749
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,239
lying next to me,
cuddling me, saying

1750
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,359
what a wonderful
man I was and all that.

1751
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,159
I'm now, you know,
40 years of age,

1752
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:26,639
just had a terrible accident
at the peak of my career.

1753
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:27,840
Gone.

1754
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,079
And it... it ruined, you know,

1755
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,960
that film ruined
my life completely.

1756
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:38,959
-I've done some heavy
stunts on the movies.

1757
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,199
I've... I've coordinated

1758
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:44,159
and there've been very
little accidents if any.

1759
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:49,639
The only one that we did have
was with Richard hammatt was,

1760
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:54,239
I had him doubling for
Superman on Superman III.

1761
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,839
And we had a Russian swing.

1762
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:03,399
-I was playing, um, Clark Kent,
and it was an evil Superman.

1763
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,479
Christopher was
the evil Superman.

1764
01:22:05,480 --> 01:22:06,520
[Kent] Aw, aw.

1765
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:09,239
[Superman] Come on, chicken!

1766
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:10,519
I'm gonna get you.

1767
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,079
Been on my nerves
for a long time.

1768
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,519
[Kent grunts]

1769
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,240
-He throws me
in the car crusher.

1770
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:21,039
-You always wanted to fly, Kent.

1771
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:22,679
Now's your chance.

1772
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:23,919
-O-On the Russian swing,

1773
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:28,039
you... you have somebody
behind you on this like a seesaw

1774
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:29,559
and you stand on one end.

1775
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,799
And when you get to your height,

1776
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,799
where... to the
trajectory you want,

1777
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:39,200
then you go off and you
get flown 35 feet, 40 feet.

1778
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,359
He just slightly mistimed it,

1779
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:45,199
and went straight up,
and came straight down.

1780
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,639
-I was turned to look down,

1781
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:50,199
I'm on... There's
a stack of cars,

1782
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,199
all these American
cars in a stack,

1783
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:53,959
and the airbag's
a bit further out

1784
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,639
because I'd gone
higher up. I went...

1785
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,199
"I'm not going to
reach the airbag."

1786
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:03,199
So I turned, and as I started
to go over onto my back,

1787
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,399
I thought, "I'm not going
to get right on the bag,

1788
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:07,639
I'm gonna lose kind
of catch my head,

1789
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:09,439
I'll be on the edge of the bag."

1790
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:12,079
So, I came down between
the bag and the cars

1791
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:13,599
and took it on this shoulder.

1792
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,999
It snapped all the
ribs off on this side.

1793
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,319
They went through the
lung, punctured the lung,

1794
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,759
and I had to get rid of the
blood in the... in the lung.

1795
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,279
So [laughs] my...
my face is like that.

1796
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,519
That's what the
doctor was doing.

1797
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,119
Anyway, I did.

1798
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,799
I got to discharge
myself out of hospital and

1799
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:35,360
I was back at work.

1800
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:41,119
-We were filming in Greece
for Pete brayham, sky riders,

1801
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:42,639
it was called sky riders.

1802
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,680
[Lively music]

1803
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,199
And what occurred is, they
were going to do one explosion

1804
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:05,559
what came out about 60
feet there and land there,

1805
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:07,199
and we were going
to run forward,

1806
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,519
and the second one would
come and explode over us.

1807
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:12,679
[Suspenseful music]

1808
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,720
[Bomb exploded]

1809
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:22,519
But this first explosion
went over our heads

1810
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,199
and it landed on the crew.

1811
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,519
I think 13 of them got burned.

1812
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:29,999
But the... I think he... He
was the boom operator,

1813
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:31,679
quite a big guy.

1814
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:32,959
He was the most burnt.

1815
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,479
So I ran after him and I got
him, and it was all alight here,

1816
01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:39,959
and I've lived with this
ever [Indistinct] in my life,

1817
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:41,439
and we all had shorts on.

1818
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:42,559
And this is all alight.

1819
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,759
So I tried to tear it off.

1820
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:45,919
I started jumping on him

1821
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,519
and trying to get
him on the ground.

1822
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,159
And I've lived with
it the rest of my life.

1823
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:51,439
I didn't save him.

1824
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:55,559
Then I think the producer
got him on the ground.

1825
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:58,599
But he died five days later.

1826
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,439
And it's come back
to the same point.

1827
01:25:00,440 --> 01:25:03,679
You live with your mistakes.

1828
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,599
And you arch yourself
to your mistakes

1829
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,959
and... and there... there it is.

1830
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,119
-I hate it. I don't like it.

1831
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:13,799
I have to be
responsible, it's my job.

1832
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:15,359
But I worry about them,

1833
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,359
you know, but
we've got a job to do.

1834
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:21,359
And I need them to, you know,
fall over as hard as possible

1835
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,919
to look like they've been
shot or blown up, you know,

1836
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,079
but it's not a... you know,
I have to sign off on that,

1837
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:27,959
and I really... I've been hurt.

1838
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,359
And I know at some stages,
they are going to get a knock

1839
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:31,879
or bruise or whatever.

1840
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:35,079
But to be responsible
for that, it's not very nice.

1841
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,599
Um, you know, I've had
one serious injury on a film,

1842
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,559
and I would really never
want to do that again.

1843
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,799
You know, it's... it's
not a nice feeling at all,

1844
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,559
because it lives
with you forever.

1845
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:46,879
And I had a really hard
time for months and months

1846
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,799
after that injury
that they sustained.

1847
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,159
But, you know, uh, that was...
That was the name of the game

1848
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:55,759
and that's what we all
signed up to do, you know.

1849
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,359
No one put a gun to
my head or his head,

1850
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:01,599
to do what he done, and
he... David willingly done it.

1851
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:03,599
Unfortunately, it didn't
work out that well,

1852
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,279
and poor David's
ended up in a wheelchair

1853
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:07,879
for the rest of his life.

1854
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:12,119
Um, and I sort of carry
that guilt that I was the one

1855
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:16,360
who said "action" on that...
On that particular rehearsal.

1856
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:19,959
[Ray Winstone] Greg
was the stunt coordinator

1857
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,159
on all the Harry Potter films.

1858
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,439
During rehearsal
on the final film,

1859
01:26:24,440 --> 01:26:26,279
Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double,

1860
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:27,519
David Holmes,

1861
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:31,279
sustained an injury
with a devastating result.

1862
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,279
-He just did a
jerk-back, you know,

1863
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,559
which we've done
that... On Harry Potter,

1864
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:38,719
every day was there a
jerk-back, you know, wand

1865
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:40,959
you know, expelliarmus,

1866
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,119
a flick and a
swish, stuff like that.

1867
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:46,639
It was a jerk-back, you know,
that he just landed wrong on.

1868
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:49,559
It's just... it's just one of
those things that happens.

1869
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,679
You don't want
it to happen at all.

1870
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,479
Not even if you
had a worst enemy,

1871
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:55,999
you wouldn't want
that to happen.

1872
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,639
And especially to David who i...

1873
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,599
He'd come into it
as a kid like I did,

1874
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:04,639
doing it, and then I
brought him in on Potter,

1875
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:06,959
of course he doubled
for Daniel Radcliffe,

1876
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,280
and poor sod ended
up in a wheelchair.

1877
01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:14,999
-Do you stop shooting,
or do you carry on?

1878
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,359
Everyone straight
away, you say no,

1879
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,159
we can't carry on or whatever.

1880
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:21,199
But you have to.

1881
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,959
There's no there's
nothing you can do for him.

1882
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:25,759
There's nothing,
you... you know,

1883
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:27,359
everything's being done for him.

1884
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:31,399
You may feel, you know,
that out of respect or whatever,

1885
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,999
you w... you wouldn't
want to carry on,

1886
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:35,879
but the producers
are right, you know.

1887
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,519
You've just got to
get back in there

1888
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:40,879
and do it and then
you just carry on. Um

1889
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:44,239
I'm sure... with fatalities
that happen around the world,

1890
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:48,879
I'm sure, you know, it must
affect the crew very badly.

1891
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:50,719
But what do you do?
Where do you... you know?

1892
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:52,719
Do you stop or do you...

1893
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,639
And how long do you
stop for, you know?

1894
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:58,039
It's... it's far better to
just carry on with your job

1895
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,840
and knowing that they're
being taken care of.

1896
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,519
-The low parts have
been away from the family.

1897
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,159
The family pay for it.

1898
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:09,759
-I missed the kids because
I was traveling a lot.

1899
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,319
When in the early days, you
just went where the money was

1900
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:13,879
or where the work was.

1901
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:18,719
So yeah, you know, they... I
think they missed me as well,

1902
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:20,639
as much as I missed them.

1903
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:24,159
But in those days, you-you...
That's where the money was.

1904
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,239
That's where the work was, so.

1905
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:29,919
-I think they knew
that it's my job

1906
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:33,199
and I'm a professional and I
know what I'm doing, hopefully.

1907
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:36,439
So they had confidence
in me, i'm sure

1908
01:28:36,440 --> 01:28:38,319
but it's like someone
driving a lorry,

1909
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,599
"dad, be careful
today," you know

1910
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:45,440
I'm sure they did worry. But, uh

1911
01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:47,839
where are we now?

1912
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:49,760
[Laughs]

1913
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:53,319
-So, they're the
worst things of it,

1914
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:55,799
I think, not seeing your
kids and everything else.

1915
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:58,759
You see them, you know, the
best you can and everything else.

1916
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:02,280
And there's obviously...
That's the worst thing, yeah.

1917
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:08,079
-So I think the industry's
changed an awful lot,

1918
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:09,439
an awful lot.

1919
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:13,359
And a lot of the craft is gone,
because most of the stunts now

1920
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:14,599
are done on the green screen.

1921
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:16,479
You can do it and
get away with it.

1922
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:20,399
-Everything's different
now, uh, uh, you know, the

1923
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:21,719
you-you-you're working on sets

1924
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,359
while I'm not there
maybe, you know.

1925
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:26,559
You're riding horses that
you're sitting on a box.

1926
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:27,879
They can put the horse on after.

1927
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,239
It's... it's, you know,
it's as simple as that.

1928
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:33,319
You could be driving a car at a
hundred mile an hour in a chase,

1929
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:34,519
or the actor can.

1930
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,159
He's... he's not doing it,
but they put him in there,

1931
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:38,199
or put the car 'round...

1932
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:39,799
It's... it's amazing
what they do today.

1933
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:41,679
-You could do the
greatest stunt in the world,

1934
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:43,839
and people think, "oh,
yeah, it was missing cg.

1935
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:44,999
That was, uh, you know."

1936
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:46,559
And yet they see
a cg thing and go,

1937
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,399
"oh, you were fantastic."
And then, "yeah."

1938
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:50,279
You put the costume on
and walked into the shot

1939
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:51,519
and the rest is all cg.

1940
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:53,799
You know, it's, uh,
i-it is depressing.

1941
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,679
But i... you know, everything
goes round in a circle,

1942
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:58,759
certainly in the film game.

1943
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,039
And you can't knock cg.

1944
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:05,319
I think you can just knock
the people that use it too much,

1945
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:06,599
overuse it and abuse it,

1946
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,319
but it is a wonderful thing
and it's the type of films

1947
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:10,639
people want to go and see.

1948
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,719
-I'm not knocking cgi, because
they do a very good job.

1949
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:14,919
I mean, you've got marvel,

1950
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:17,119
you've got DC
doing all this stuff.

1951
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:20,159
I mean, good stuff, great stuff.

1952
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:22,319
But I think the live action

1953
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,960
beats any of that stuff
hands down, personally.

1954
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:30,279
-Nowadays, you get
specialists in to do the jobs.

1955
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:31,439
I... fast and furious,

1956
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:34,519
I worked on fast and
furious, which was great.

1957
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:36,759
I mean, any... Any
stuntman in the world

1958
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:38,919
want to work on
fast and furious.

1959
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:40,239
And when I got the opportunity

1960
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:42,879
through Greg to work
on it, I was over the moon.

1961
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:47,079
Unfortunately, I didn't
get into the position

1962
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,519
doing the fast-driving stuff,

1963
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:54,519
because he got specialists in,
which was a bit downer for me

1964
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:56,279
and a bit downer
for some of the boys

1965
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:57,839
because we could all drive.

1966
01:30:57,840 --> 01:30:59,599
I can drive as well as them.

1967
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:03,559
But he wanted rally drivers

1968
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:05,199
and people that
do it for a living,

1969
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:08,959
which is understandable.

1970
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:12,320
But a bit of a kick up the
old balls for us, you know.

1971
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,599
-When I started, you...
you were characters.

1972
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:20,039
You were brought in from extras,

1973
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:23,239
and if you were able to do
something that was great.

1974
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:26,079
Then you do stair falls,
then you start doing stunts.

1975
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:31,079
Um, but we weren't necessarily
trained in anything particular.

1976
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,919
So, we learned to do
those sorts of things.

1977
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:37,639
And we, and... got away
with it all these years.

1978
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:40,719
I wouldn't have got in
today in what they do.

1979
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:44,479
Uh, um, none of the earlier
stunt guys would have done.

1980
01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:47,199
They... they are just
tremendous athletes.

1981
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:52,159
They have really perfected
the art of-of stunting.

1982
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,759
-They're a lot different
now, you know.

1983
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:57,479
Lot of... Different
type of people.

1984
01:31:57,480 --> 01:31:59,639
The guys that are
coming in today,

1985
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:03,199
a lot smaller in stature
because there's the big guys

1986
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:06,799
struggle to get through the,
uh, all the gymnastic stuff

1987
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:07,839
they have to do

1988
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,639
because physically not...
It's hard work for them.

1989
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,760
Uh younger

1990
01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:17,359
I don't think some
of them necessarily

1991
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,719
think about the
stunt work so much.

1992
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:21,159
I think they like the money,

1993
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:23,319
which is nice,
which is important.

1994
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:25,119
But, you know, it's
a lot of us on the first

1995
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,559
we just... We all
like a pound note,

1996
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:28,599
and... and we want that,

1997
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,919
but the job's always
been important to us.

1998
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:33,719
-I do think the characters
have disappeared

1999
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:35,799
that were the Ken buckles,

2000
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,879
Bob Simmons, George leeches

2001
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:40,519
absolute... paddy Ryans...

2002
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:44,039
Absolute incredible
natural stunt people.

2003
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:45,079
-It's not as nice now

2004
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:47,719
because there's so
much money involved now.

2005
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:51,599
You know what I mean?
People sit and they're...

2006
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:55,399
They're doing that at
lunchtime in the afternoon.

2007
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:57,519
Where years ago, you'd
be pulling tricks on the guys,

2008
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:58,999
you'd be doing
the three-man lift,

2009
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:00,959
you'd be hitting them
over the head with spoons,

2010
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:03,239
throwing wardrobes over
each other, tripping them up.

2011
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:05,959
It don't happen so much
now, and it was a laugh then.

2012
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,399
[Indistinct] It's... We
still have a laugh now.

2013
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,679
But, you know, when you
go into the dressing room,

2014
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:13,999
everyone used to be
gambling or reading the paper,

2015
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:15,759
or doing some work there.

2016
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,439
They all sit there now,
they're tapping away.

2017
01:33:18,440 --> 01:33:20,279
See how much money
they got in their accounts.

2018
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:22,319
[Laughs]

2019
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,559
[Interviewer] What
age are you now?

2020
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:27,439
-What a no-good bastard.

2021
01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:28,999
Er, 82.

2022
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:30,359
-Seventy-seven.

2023
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:32,080
-I'm 72 now.

2024
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:34,519
-Well, I miss, at my age,

2025
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:36,119
being able to do
what I could do.

2026
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:37,599
And when I'm over
with my children,

2027
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:38,879
or my great-grandchildren,

2028
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,559
they say, "oh, granddad,
show us what you do."

2029
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:43,879
Yeah, well, it hurts a little
bit now if I do it, you know.

2030
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:46,399
The bones... I don't
want to take that chance,

2031
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:48,639
wind up with a hip replacement.

2032
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:50,399
-I have a lot of...
A new pair of knees

2033
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,599
and a new shoulder, so
you don't get up, you know.

2034
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:54,639
You fall over.

2035
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:56,399
It takes you like ten
minutes to get up now.

2036
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,279
Years ago, I'd do
whatever you want,

2037
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,759
but now that just
takes too long,

2038
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,879
and the bruises
last a lot longer.

2039
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:05,239
-And I don't miss
performing at all.

2040
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:06,839
It was a means to an end.

2041
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:11,959
And again, I had the brains
to get out while I was still fit,

2042
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:15,719
you know, and I could feel
the reactions weren't there

2043
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:17,639
on the last crusade.

2044
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:19,719
It was there on the last
crusade, that I thought,

2045
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:21,919
"nah, I've had too
many racehorses

2046
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,520
that you have given one
race too many," you know.

2047
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:26,919
Dave bickers is my guru.

2048
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:29,399
Dave bickers, he was one of
the smartest people I've ever met

2049
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:30,519
in the business.

2050
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:32,719
I got him into the business;
He was a motorcycle racer,

2051
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,239
and he became my
engineer and designer.

2052
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:36,639
And... and he was
one of those guys

2053
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:38,879
that had so much common sense.

2054
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:41,119
And he said to me
when we were rehearsing,

2055
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:45,439
he said, "Vic, I always want
to stop before the last one."

2056
01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:48,519
[Mutters] "What do you
mean, stop before the last one?"

2057
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:50,079
Then the penny dropped.

2058
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:54,479
Because it's like, um,
it's like that, you know

2059
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:56,119
"watch this. I'll just
give you one more.

2060
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:58,679
You watch this." And that's
always the one you hurt yourself on.

2061
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:01,039
Of course it's the last one,
because you've broken your leg

2062
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:03,359
or had a crash or something's
gone wrong with it, you know.

2063
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:06,079
[Laughs] And it made
so much sense to me.

2064
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:07,999
And I've told everybody
around the world.

2065
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,039
You know, you rehearse
things, rehearse things.

2066
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:11,279
"Let's do one more," and,

2067
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,879
"yeah, get ready."
You know, you do it.

2068
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,279
And it's not quite right,
and so it's "get ready" again.

2069
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:18,039
And people are going,
"okay," we get ready,

2070
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:20,399
and I said, "okay, and that's
a wrap. We're not doing it."

2071
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:23,319
"What do you mean?" And I was,
quote, stopped before the last one.

2072
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:25,719
-You don't leave the industry.

2073
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:27,799
The industry leaves you.

2074
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,119
And that's what
happens with stuntmen.

2075
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:32,959
-The phone never rings anymore.

2076
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:34,559
I don't mind because as I say,

2077
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:37,479
I can make money somewhere else,

2078
01:35:37,480 --> 01:35:40,319
or I'll have something
else to keep me busy,

2079
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:41,959
and so forth and so forth.

2080
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:43,759
So that doesn't ring anymore.

2081
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:46,119
-If the phone stops,
then you're retired.

2082
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:48,760
Well, at the moment, it's
only twinkling. It's twinkling.

2083
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:51,959
That's the problem
at the moment.

2084
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:53,439
The financials.

2085
01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:55,679
Coming in this industry, you
know, you get good money,

2086
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:56,879
and then you're out of work.

2087
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:58,559
You get good money,
you're out of work,

2088
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:00,199
you get good money,
you're out of work.

2089
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:02,399
And that's how
it's been all my life.

2090
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:04,479
And people always
used to say to me,

2091
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:06,719
"put some money away
for a rainy day, rock."

2092
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,159
"Yeah. What rainy day?"

2093
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,719
It never happened,
that rainy day,

2094
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:14,319
and it's started
pouring down now.

2095
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,159
You understand?
And it's too late.

2096
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:18,919
When it's too late,
what do you do?

2097
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:21,919
-It's time to live a life now.

2098
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:24,399
All that running around
all over the world,

2099
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,959
getting paid, was nice,

2100
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,199
I've got to say.

2101
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,719
But it's a young man's
game now, I think.

2102
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:33,279
-Why wouldn't you keep going?

2103
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:35,719
I mean, it's just... it's fun.

2104
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,919
You're getting paid for
playing cowboys and Indians,

2105
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,559
and you're getting paid well,
and as long as, you know,

2106
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:43,239
and-and... if i'm in a
zimmer frame one day,

2107
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:45,720
and they say, "we want you to
do a zimmer frame fall," I'll go,

2108
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,839
"I'm your boy. I'll
have a go at it."

2109
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:52,119
-In the, um, force awakens,

2110
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:55,839
I doubled for, um,
Max-Max Von sydow,

2111
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:59,159
uh, in the opening sequence
when he gets cut in half.

2112
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,039
[Suspenseful music]

2113
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:06,439
Uh, skyfall.
Spectre and skyfall.

2114
01:37:06,440 --> 01:37:07,559
Um, and since then,

2115
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:12,759
I've done the mummy
with Tom Cruise in London.

2116
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:18,039
Star wars, um, rogue
one, I played a part of

2117
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:21,479
the... one of the
engineers getting shot.

2118
01:37:21,480 --> 01:37:25,639
- Fire!
- [Rapid gunshots]

2119
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:27,839
-Transformers: The last knight.

2120
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:29,119
I'm in the next star wars,

2121
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:30,639
I'm just getting
blown up in that.

2122
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:32,319
But as long as I can do it,

2123
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,039
and I'm comfortable
with it, I'll do it.

2124
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:38,039
I just... i don't... obviously
won't do anything

2125
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:41,999
that I think my old body
is not capable of doing,

2126
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:46,199
or it would make
me look silly doing,

2127
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:49,959
so a little bit dignity
in old age is good.

2128
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:51,719
-I mean, without,
being a stunt performer

2129
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:53,119
going into the stunt industry

2130
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:55,559
which took me into
the film industry,

2131
01:37:55,560 --> 01:38:00,599
I would not be sitting here
now as a elderly gentleman,

2132
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:05,199
director, writer,
novelist, producer

2133
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:06,399
without the stunt business.

2134
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,839
The stunt business
took me into the industry

2135
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:10,999
and gave me every
break I ever had.

2136
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:13,999
-I met some great
people like Wayne,

2137
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,279
Harrison Ford, Larry Olivier.

2138
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:18,319
I enjoyed it. And
I'm pleased my son

2139
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:21,439
and that maybe my
grandson is gonna follow me.

2140
01:38:21,440 --> 01:38:23,319
And I hope they have
the fun that I have.

2141
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:26,279
-I've got some personal
stresses that drive me mad, but

2142
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:28,239
I am happy.

2143
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:30,479
-I wouldn't change any of it.

2144
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:32,319
Not one bit.

2145
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:34,399
-I wish I could do it again.

2146
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,359
I wouldn't change it.

2147
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:37,999
I'll save some of
me money, though.

2148
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,039
[Laughs]

2149
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:42,999
-I love the business,
and I hate the business,

2150
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:44,799
but I love it more
than I hate it.

2151
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:46,759
You know, a great friend
of mine, Terry Leonard,

2152
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,159
who used to double Harrison
with us on raiders as well,

2153
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:51,439
he did the stuff under
the bus, under the truck,

2154
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:53,959
which I can't claim
credit for, he did that.

2155
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:55,519
But he always used to say to me,

2156
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:57,279
"Vic, at the end of
this game, business,

2157
01:38:57,280 --> 01:38:59,679
all you got is memories,
friends and eight by tens."

2158
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:00,759
And he's so right.

2159
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:02,319
Eight by tens being
the photographs,

2160
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:03,759
memories and friends.

2161
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:05,759
-If I drop dead now
and they nail the lid on,

2162
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:07,159
all I've got left
is the memories

2163
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:09,999
and the memories have
been absolutely fantastic.

2164
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:11,799
Because all the,
everything around here,

2165
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:13,719
the motorbikes and the
house and everything,

2166
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:16,679
we're just guardians of those
things, we don't own those.

2167
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:18,879
Those have nothing to
do with anything really.

2168
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:20,599
It's what you've seen,
what you've done,

2169
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:23,079
the people that you've met,
the people that you've enjoyed,

2170
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:24,999
or helped or whatever,

2171
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:27,799
it-it-it-it's about the journey.

2172
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:31,439
Um, and when the flag, you
know, drops and, you know,

2173
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:33,239
they put you in the box,

2174
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:34,759
that's all that's left there.

2175
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:38,519
And so, I consider
myself extremely fortunate,

2176
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:40,119
extremely fortunate.

2177
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:42,599
And those occasions when I
have had near-death experiences,

2178
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,520
and there've been
three or four of them, um

2179
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:53,040
were times when I
thought, "well, it is what it is."

2180
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:56,319
-[Exhales deeply] I can't
believe half of what I done

2181
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:58,439
when I look back and
I think the situations...

2182
01:39:58,440 --> 01:40:01,159
And-and the things that we just,

2183
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:03,479
"yeah, we can do
that. Yeah. Okay."

2184
01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:04,519
Unbelievable.

2185
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:05,559
Now I'm very happy,

2186
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:06,959
I'm very proud
of what I've done.

2187
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:09,879
[Inhales deeply] Yeah.
It's always one more film.

2188
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:11,959
Just do one more
film and then I'll quit,

2189
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:14,960
just before the
last one [laughs].

2190
01:40:16,440 --> 01:40:19,399
[Ray Winstone]
So, there they are.

2191
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:23,119
The British bulldogs that
took Hollywood by storm.

2192
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,359
You might not have
recognized their faces before,

2193
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:26,759
but maybe you'll
look out for them

2194
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:29,119
next time you stick
on an old movie.

2195
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:32,799
And remember that for
every time someone fell,

2196
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:33,959
jumped, crashed,

2197
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:38,319
punched, kicked, stabbed,
swung or got blown up,

2198
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:39,799
there was someone like this

2199
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,599
putting themselves
on the line for it.

2200
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:44,919
And having a bloody good time.

2201
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:47,519
["Houses that you lived in"
performed by the family machine]

2202
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:49,160
♪ Houses that you lived in ♪

2203
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:55,080
♪ remember you today ♪

2204
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,880
♪ the car you drove away in ♪

2205
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:07,520
♪ you're sad because
you changed ♪

2206
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:14,080
♪ oh, don't leave
me far behind ♪

2207
01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:19,800
♪ this is how you say goodbye ♪

2208
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:27,000
♪ the songs you
used to sing her ♪

2209
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:31,880
♪ will never fade away ♪

2210
01:41:35,480 --> 01:41:39,080
♪ the fields you
walk [indistinct] ♪

2211
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,800
♪ Were aching just to say ♪

2212
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:50,720
♪ oh, don't leave
me far behind ♪

2213
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:57,799
♪ you will live
and you will die ♪

2214
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:01,039
♪ it's easy when you make it ♪

2215
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:03,839
♪ it's easy when you break it ♪

2216
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:06,519
♪ to leave your
[Indistinct] remind ♪

2217
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:07,559
♪ hey ♪

2218
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:10,560
♪ haah ♪

2219
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:13,919
♪ hey ♪

2220
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,840
♪ haaah ♪

2221
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:20,119
♪ hey ♪

2222
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:23,440
♪ haaah ♪

2223
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:37,519
["The stuntman"
performed by Pete ivatts]

2224
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:41,399
♪ Rough around the edges
not known for our looks ♪

2225
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:43,359
♪ we jump from high ledges ♪

2226
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:45,559
♪ get knocked down by trucks ♪

2227
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:51,200
♪ it's a risky old life, but at
least it's the life we choose ♪

2228
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:57,479
♪ you don't see our names
up there with the stars ♪

2229
01:42:57,480 --> 01:42:59,359
♪ but it says on the screen ♪

2230
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:01,719
♪ when they're
crashing their cars ♪

2231
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:03,839
♪ we work hard on the stunts ♪

2232
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:07,240
♪ then we work
hard on the booze ♪

2233
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,679
♪ they ask the impossible ♪

2234
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:14,999
♪ put you through hell
but you give it a go ♪

2235
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,439
♪ 'cause they're
payin' you well ♪

2236
01:43:17,440 --> 01:43:19,519
♪ it's dodgy at times ♪

2237
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:22,960
♪ but it's better
than nine to five ♪

2238
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:29,599
♪ we didn't have green
screens to fake our effects ♪

2239
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:33,639
♪ we jumped off of rooftops
got blown up in wrecks ♪

2240
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:39,120
♪ you had to be fit and put
up with a sprain or a break ♪

2241
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:43,519
♪ you work it all out ♪

2242
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:45,799
♪ break it down into bits ♪

2243
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:49,599
♪ and try to cut out
the worst of the risks ♪

2244
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:55,040
♪ and hope you could get
it all done in only one take ♪

2245
01:43:57,680 --> 01:43:59,559
♪ we're all independent ♪

2246
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:01,639
♪ we set our own rates ♪

2247
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:05,879
♪ we work for ourselves
but we still need our mates ♪

2248
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:11,320
♪ we rely on each other to make
sure you come home at night ♪

2249
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:17,559
♪ you're never quite
sure how long it'll last ♪

2250
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:21,679
♪ so you work even with
both your legs in a cast ♪

2251
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:23,599
♪ old stuntmen don't quit ♪

2252
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:26,640
♪ just work harder
on getting it right ♪

2253
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:33,719
♪ and when you call time
cause your body says no ♪

2254
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:38,639
♪ and there's no fuel left
when the green light says go ♪

2255
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:42,239
♪ you can sit in a
pub with your mates ♪

2256
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:45,240
♪ and not have to fight ♪

2257
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:49,639
♪ yes the stunts can be tough ♪

2258
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:54,719
♪ but a stuntman's
life is all right ♪

2259
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:57,760
[♪♪♪]