WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:21.080 --> 00:00:24.120 [Gong banging] 4 00:00:28.280 --> 00:00:30.039 [Ray Winstone] Have you ever heard of a man 5 00:00:30.040 --> 00:00:32.079 called bombardier Billy Wells? 6 00:00:32.080 --> 00:00:33.279 Probably not. 7 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:35.279 But you'd've have seen him on the big screen. 8 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:37.600 In fact, you just did. 9 00:00:43.120 --> 00:00:46.479 That's right. There's Billy. 10 00:00:46.480 --> 00:00:49.319 In his prime, he was a prize fighter, 11 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:51.239 but in his later years, 12 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:53.880 he found himself working in the film industry. 13 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:56.479 -When I met bombardier Billy Wells, 14 00:00:56.480 --> 00:00:59.279 he was walking on a cane as an extra, 15 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:01.879 sometimes wearing a tuxedo, sometimes wearing overalls, 16 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:04.039 whatever the extra's job was. 17 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:06.279 And he had nothing. Nothing at all. 18 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:08.359 Once they finished doing stunts, that was it. 19 00:01:08.360 --> 00:01:10.439 You were going on until you were 60 or whatever it is 20 00:01:10.440 --> 00:01:12.559 in this country and got your old-age pension. 21 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:14.359 There was no union, there was no medicare. 22 00:01:14.360 --> 00:01:17.199 Nothing to look after you at all, so you were out. 23 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:20.959 And if you got hurt badly, you were out and gone. 24 00:01:20.960 --> 00:01:22.399 He had nothing. 25 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:26.479 I did not want to wind up with nothing. 26 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:29.720 ["Someone's gonna get their head kicked in tonite" performed by motorhead] 27 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:39.839 -♪ Well the band is smokin' ♪ 28 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:42.759 ♪ and everyone's feelin' all right ♪ 29 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:44.399 ♪ all right ♪ 30 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:45.879 ♪ it's a Wednesday night ♪ 31 00:01:45.880 --> 00:01:48.799 ♪ there's sure gonna be a fight ♪ 32 00:01:48.800 --> 00:01:50.319 ♪ a fight ♪ 33 00:01:50.320 --> 00:01:54.280 ♪ I know somebody's gonna get their head kicked in tonight! ♪ 34 00:01:56.240 --> 00:01:57.999 ♪ Well the joint is jumping ♪ 35 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:00.879 ♪ everybody's shoutin' for more ♪ 36 00:02:00.880 --> 00:02:02.279 ♪ for more ♪ 37 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:04.519 ♪ well there's gonna be a pool of blood ♪ 38 00:02:04.520 --> 00:02:06.919 ♪ on the dance hall floor ♪ 39 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:08.279 ♪ the floor ♪ 40 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:12.080 ♪ I know somebody's gonna get their head kicked in tonight! ♪ 41 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:16.199 ♪ We're gonna pull out the chairs ♪ 42 00:02:16.200 --> 00:02:17.559 ♪ and tear down the walls ♪ 43 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:20.959 ♪ smash up the band just havin' a ball ♪ 44 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:23.719 ♪ me and my buddies in a physical race ♪ 45 00:02:23.720 --> 00:02:26.519 ♪ leave the whole dance floor in a doggone mess ♪ 46 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:28.479 ♪ well the cats are smokin' ♪ 47 00:02:28.480 --> 00:02:31.279 ♪ everyone's feelin' all right ♪ 48 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:32.919 ♪ all right ♪ 49 00:02:32.920 --> 00:02:34.519 ♪ it's a Wednesday night ♪ 50 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:37.399 ♪ there's sure gonna be a fight ♪ 51 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:38.799 ♪ a fight ♪ 52 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:43.479 ♪ I know somebody's gonna get their head kicked in tonight! ♪ 53 00:02:43.480 --> 00:02:44.759 ♪ Oh yeah ♪ 54 00:02:44.760 --> 00:02:46.239 ♪ we're gonna pull out the chairs ♪ 55 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:48.239 ♪ and tear down the walls ♪ 56 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:51.359 ♪ smash up the band just havin' a ball ♪ 57 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:53.999 ♪ me and my buddies in a physical race ♪ 58 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:56.799 ♪ leave the whole dance floor in a doggone mess ♪ 59 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:58.839 ♪ well the joint is jumping ♪ 60 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:01.719 ♪ everybody's shoutin' for more ♪ 61 00:03:01.720 --> 00:03:02.999 ♪ for more ♪ 62 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:05.359 ♪ oh it's gonna be a pool of blood ♪ 63 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.759 ♪ on the dance hall floor ♪ 64 00:03:07.760 --> 00:03:09.159 ♪ the floor ♪ 65 00:03:09.160 --> 00:03:13.240 ♪ I know somebody's gonna get their head kicked in tonight! ♪ 66 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:19.440 ♪ I know somebody's gonna get their head kicked in tonight! ♪ 67 00:03:32.600 --> 00:03:34.559 [Ray Winstone] The stunt performer, 68 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:38.119 the unsung hero of the silver screen. 69 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:41.439 For years, these men and women were a secret. 70 00:03:41.440 --> 00:03:44.119 Paid good money to make the stars look heroic. 71 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:46.799 But as cinema got more sophisticated, 72 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.639 it became harder to pretend that a mere actor 73 00:03:49.640 --> 00:03:51.680 could pull off such feats. 74 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:54.039 Nobody knows for sure 75 00:03:54.040 --> 00:03:56.479 who cinema's first stunt performer was. 76 00:03:56.480 --> 00:04:00.879 But in 1908, an acrobat was paid to jump off a cliff 77 00:04:00.880 --> 00:04:04.439 for the silent film, the count of monte cristo. 78 00:04:04.440 --> 00:04:07.639 And so, an occupation was born. 79 00:04:07.640 --> 00:04:10.839 But, what qualities does a person need 80 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:12.560 to get in as a stuntman? 81 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:17.959 - "Unemployable" is a word that Springs to mind. 82 00:04:17.960 --> 00:04:22.639 Um, all the stunt people that I've been working with 83 00:04:22.640 --> 00:04:25.400 over the last nearly 50 years now 84 00:04:27.200 --> 00:04:31.880 in many cases, have such a diverse series of skills. 85 00:04:33.760 --> 00:04:37.879 But when you try and harness those into something, 86 00:04:37.880 --> 00:04:40.039 most people go, "that's not what we're looking for." 87 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:42.479 It's like when I came out of the army, and they said, 88 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:43.799 well, I went for job interviews 89 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:45.359 and they said, "what are you good at?" 90 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:47.279 And I go, "well, I can drop a grenade in a bucket 91 00:04:47.280 --> 00:04:50.399 at about 30 feet, eight times out of ten. 92 00:04:50.400 --> 00:04:52.679 And I'm very good with a light machine gun." 93 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:55.199 "That's not really what we're looking for." 94 00:04:55.200 --> 00:04:57.119 -I think you've got to be a certain person. 95 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:59.599 You've either got to be stupid in some respects, 96 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:01.999 or you've got to be really, 97 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:07.239 uh, know your own mentality and your own physical things, 98 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:09.679 what your abilities are. 99 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:11.799 -It's something I could do 100 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:15.439 which put me out there above others, you know. 101 00:05:15.440 --> 00:05:22.279 I mean, if I got in trouble, I could fight my way out of it. 102 00:05:22.280 --> 00:05:25.119 I could put my back against a friend 103 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:26.799 and punch my way out of a room. 104 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:28.879 -I was doing stuff that they couldn't do. 105 00:05:28.880 --> 00:05:31.279 He couldn't do judo, so I did judo. 106 00:05:31.280 --> 00:05:33.199 He couldn't throw a punch, so I threw a punch. 107 00:05:33.200 --> 00:05:35.559 He couldn't drive a car properly, I could. 108 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:38.999 Not knowing it was a stuntman. I didn't know the word stuntman. 109 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:40.559 -You have to do exactly the opposite 110 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:42.839 of what you've been taught all your life to do. 111 00:05:42.840 --> 00:05:44.359 To fall off a horse 112 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:46.759 is like a pilot jumping out of a perfectly good aeroplane. 113 00:05:46.760 --> 00:05:48.039 Why would you do it? 114 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:49.519 Same thing with a racing car driver. 115 00:05:49.520 --> 00:05:51.639 The last thing they want to do is get cross-threaded 116 00:05:51.640 --> 00:05:54.239 and smash into a bank and roll the thing over. 117 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:56.279 Every natural instinct and fiber in their body 118 00:05:56.280 --> 00:05:58.839 stops them from doing it naturally. 119 00:05:58.840 --> 00:06:01.119 -Now it's become a far more professional thing. 120 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:02.879 And people say, when they leave school, 121 00:06:02.880 --> 00:06:04.039 I want to be a stuntman. 122 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:08.199 And there is a delineated route to become a stuntman. 123 00:06:08.200 --> 00:06:09.919 But in those days, it was a question of 124 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:14.559 picking people out who could, uh, apply certain skills, 125 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:16.399 and then they're making money at it, 126 00:06:16.400 --> 00:06:17.759 and being so prized at it. 127 00:06:17.760 --> 00:06:19.239 -It was the last thing in the world 128 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:22.919 I thought would come my way from my background and so forth. 129 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:25.960 [♪♪♪] 130 00:06:32.960 --> 00:06:35.799 They did a film called casino royale 131 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:39.039 and they wanted someone to drive this e-type quite quickly. 132 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:42.039 One of the stuntmen said, "he's got an e-type, 133 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:43.199 and he's quite quick." 134 00:06:43.200 --> 00:06:46.319 So, they got me down there and I put gravel on the road 135 00:06:46.320 --> 00:06:48.719 and skidded the arse around with it. 136 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:50.319 [Clears throat] And the director went, 137 00:06:50.320 --> 00:06:52.119 "that's great. That's exactly what I want." 138 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:55.160 [♪♪♪] 139 00:06:57.400 --> 00:06:58.479 [Car tires screeching] 140 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:03.159 -I think I was talked into it originally. 141 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:05.959 Um, I was a helicopter engineer by trade. 142 00:07:05.960 --> 00:07:09.000 [♪♪♪] 143 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:14.279 I lived in elstree at the time, 144 00:07:14.280 --> 00:07:17.879 and my parents got a pub in elstree 145 00:07:17.880 --> 00:07:20.879 and one particular person used to come in there. 146 00:07:20.880 --> 00:07:22.119 It was Patrick mcgoohan. 147 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:25.160 [Upbeat music] 148 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:30.879 And I got on quite well with him, and he said, 149 00:07:30.880 --> 00:07:33.159 "you're the type of guy who should do stunts." 150 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:34.999 -I left school with my one o-level, 151 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:38.079 and realized that many of the things I wanted to do 152 00:07:38.080 --> 00:07:40.799 were not... Actually, the doors were shut. 153 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:45.519 And so, um, I joined the circus, and was an eternal 154 00:07:45.520 --> 00:07:47.519 disappointment to my mother ever since then. 155 00:07:47.520 --> 00:07:48.999 Other various bits and pieces. 156 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:51.359 And then my half-sister 157 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:53.919 had to go to this company called bapty's. 158 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:56.919 They were the movie armorers at the time. 159 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:57.959 And I've always been... 160 00:07:57.960 --> 00:08:00.919 Had a real interest in firearms, always. 161 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:04.519 And she went to the-the guy that owned it and said, 162 00:08:04.520 --> 00:08:08.159 "my brother would love to come and work here." 163 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:12.639 [Sniffles] Bless him. He said, "okay." 164 00:08:12.640 --> 00:08:14.839 My first film was the dirty dozen, 165 00:08:14.840 --> 00:08:17.079 as the assistant armorer, 166 00:08:17.080 --> 00:08:18.719 and I didn't know shit from toothpaste, 167 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:21.959 you know, but I-I-I went on the set and i'd 168 00:08:21.960 --> 00:08:24.679 suddenly, I'm in mgm studios, 169 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:26.879 and I'm meeting all these stunt guys and thinking, 170 00:08:26.880 --> 00:08:28.999 "yeah, I've got I'd fancy a little bit of that." 171 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:31.719 -My father was a racehorse trainer 172 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:33.919 and in the early days, he used to train for a very, 173 00:08:33.920 --> 00:08:36.239 the most famous actor in the world in his day. 174 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:37.359 It was Richard Todd. 175 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:40.400 [♪♪♪] 176 00:08:44.800 --> 00:08:46.639 [Clippety-clop of hooves] 177 00:08:46.640 --> 00:08:48.599 And I talked to him as a little shy kid 178 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:50.399 and he'd tell me about the movies he'd done, 179 00:08:50.400 --> 00:08:54.039 from the dam busters, to Rob Roy, Robin hood. 180 00:08:54.040 --> 00:08:56.119 And really, that's where I first got the ideas 181 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.319 of being a stuntman, not knowing it was a stuntman, 182 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:00.679 but I'd head up my pony and gallop up the gallops 183 00:09:00.680 --> 00:09:02.319 and throw myself off it. 184 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:05.799 Then in '65, we had race horses, 185 00:09:05.800 --> 00:09:08.919 and a very famous horse stuntman called Jimmy lodge 186 00:09:08.920 --> 00:09:10.919 would come and exercise the horses with us. 187 00:09:10.920 --> 00:09:12.479 Then he wanted to borrow a horse 188 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:14.599 for a movie called arabesque in '65. 189 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:16.239 I let him have the horse, and anyway, 190 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:18.679 he called me the next day because it was a really good horse, 191 00:09:18.680 --> 00:09:20.159 but a very strong horse, and he said, 192 00:09:20.160 --> 00:09:22.839 "look, the horse is great, but, you know, I need somebody to ride it 193 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:25.519 that can ride properly." So, I said, "yeah, I'll come and ride it." 194 00:09:25.520 --> 00:09:27.879 [♪♪♪] 195 00:09:27.880 --> 00:09:29.119 [Clippety-clop of hooves] 196 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:31.159 [Rapid gunshots] 197 00:09:31.160 --> 00:09:34.200 [♪♪♪] 198 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:42.559 And that got me hooked into the film business. 199 00:09:42.560 --> 00:09:44.359 -I was about 20 years old. 200 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:47.959 And I thought... I was working in a factory in north London, 201 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:50.479 and I thought, "I can't do this for the rest of my life. 202 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.439 This is not... there must be something else to... in life." 203 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:56.999 So, I knew in those days that the evening standard, 204 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:59.399 they had two pages of situation vacants, 205 00:09:59.400 --> 00:10:00.759 all over the world. 206 00:10:00.760 --> 00:10:03.159 So, I went home, opened up the pages, 207 00:10:03.160 --> 00:10:05.479 closed my eyes, pointed down. 208 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:08.719 And when I looked, there was a little square and it said, 209 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:11.359 "the London school of charm requires models." 210 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:14.400 [♪♪♪] 211 00:10:18.040 --> 00:10:19.879 So then, I got an agent 212 00:10:19.880 --> 00:10:25.319 who did walk-ons on television, and I did, um, z-cars, 213 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:30.079 all the TV, BBC TV stuff and the itv stuff. 214 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:35.319 But then I got another agent who was doing, uh, uh, films, 215 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:36.799 extra work on films, so I did that. 216 00:10:36.800 --> 00:10:40.399 I joined the faa and started working on films. 217 00:10:40.400 --> 00:10:42.839 [Ray Winstone] In america, the role of the stunt performer 218 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:44.079 was well established. 219 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:48.639 Since the 1920s, performers including yakima canutt, 220 00:10:48.640 --> 00:10:50.559 Harvey parry, and Paul malvern, 221 00:10:50.560 --> 00:10:53.799 had been pioneering and achieving feats on camera, 222 00:10:53.800 --> 00:10:56.839 which were incredible to watch, but also grounded in 223 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:00.319 principles of safety and professionalism. 224 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:04.720 Even by the 1960s, britain wasn't quite so advanced. 225 00:11:05.760 --> 00:11:09.279 -If you had your... Your modern health and safety, 226 00:11:09.280 --> 00:11:14.319 uh, professional come onto the set as we were in the 1960s, 227 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:16.519 he would have been ambulanced off the set 228 00:11:16.520 --> 00:11:17.839 with-with a heart attack. 229 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:21.279 -It wasn't a stunt business, then, you know: 230 00:11:21.280 --> 00:11:23.399 It wasn't like it is now. 231 00:11:23.400 --> 00:11:25.999 You know? I mean, they used to get any Tom, dick and Harry, 232 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:27.479 used to do stuff like that. 233 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:29.679 -You could be sitting in the dressing room as an extra 234 00:11:29.680 --> 00:11:31.519 and an assistant director come up, 235 00:11:31.520 --> 00:11:33.479 or the stunt coordinator, and say, 236 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:35.159 "uh, who wants to fall down the stairs? 237 00:11:35.160 --> 00:11:37.119 And you'd say, "I do. How much?" 238 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:40.479 -People would think, "oh, there's an extra 50 quid 239 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:42.479 or an extra 20 quid here. 240 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:44.999 I'll have a go at swinging off that building on a bell rope 241 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:46.759 and hope that I get away with it." 242 00:11:46.760 --> 00:11:52.319 -My mother, bless her, is 92, 93 now coming up. Uh 243 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:55.199 she did a film called room to let 244 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:58.199 where my father, he had to put her in a wheelchair 245 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:00.279 and push it down the stairs. 246 00:12:00.280 --> 00:12:02.239 She got 100 pounds for each time she went down. 247 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:04.879 She got 300 pounds in 1950. 248 00:12:04.880 --> 00:12:07.239 -A lot of them did dangerous things 249 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:09.919 that they didn't know how dangerous it was 250 00:12:09.920 --> 00:12:11.759 till they actually got involved in it. 251 00:12:11.760 --> 00:12:12.799 And then, whoa! 252 00:12:12.800 --> 00:12:13.999 -I just used to do it. I was no 253 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:17.199 there was no knee pads, shin pads, wherever pads. 254 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:19.279 I'd just, you know, get a newspaper, 255 00:12:19.280 --> 00:12:21.199 put on your elbows in, and that was it. 256 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:24.879 -My first back-pad was a piece of foam-backed carpet 257 00:12:24.880 --> 00:12:26.719 which I cut out to the shape of my back, 258 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:29.159 put a bit of string through it, tied it up. 259 00:12:29.160 --> 00:12:31.119 Luxury. Going down concrete stairs. 260 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:36.239 -A lot of the guys, um, that was either doormen, 261 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:38.799 or part-time villains, done a bit of crowd work. 262 00:12:38.800 --> 00:12:39.839 You know what I mean? 263 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:42.119 So they didn't mind getting bashed up or runnin' around 264 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:44.239 'cos that's what they was doing anyway, in real life, 265 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:47.039 so they become stuntmen legally. 266 00:12:47.040 --> 00:12:51.039 -When I did you only live twice, which was '66, 267 00:12:51.040 --> 00:12:54.199 there was about 120 of us "stuntmen" on that, 268 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:56.599 but they were taxi drivers, bouncers, barmen. 269 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:59.199 A lot of these guys are absolute characters, you know. 270 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:01.479 And you could buy and sell anything you wanted on the set. 271 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:03.479 You could buy all your smoked salmon, your Sherry 272 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:06.079 and everything for Christmas 'cos it was coming up to Christmas. 273 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:08.439 They were Wheeler-dealers, all the east end London boys. 274 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:10.319 -You know, everyone got to know everyone else. 275 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:11.879 Food, whatever the boys used to make... 276 00:13:11.880 --> 00:13:13.839 Work in the meat market. 277 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:16.359 They used to go straight from work in the meat market 278 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:20.079 straight down to shepperton or one of elstree, you know, 279 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:23.559 mgm, and it suddenly built up like that. 280 00:13:23.560 --> 00:13:25.479 -They enjoyed the social life. 281 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:28.399 They'd spend their per diems and all their money 282 00:13:28.400 --> 00:13:29.799 and come home skint. 283 00:13:29.800 --> 00:13:35.199 I mean, that's how stuntmen... How they were in those days. 284 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:39.479 Uh, but they had plenty of nerve. They did. 285 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:41.479 A lot of them would do 286 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:43.959 the dangerous bits and pieces, you know. 287 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:47.439 -There was also a great element of professionalism 288 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:48.799 because there were those guys 289 00:13:48.800 --> 00:13:50.559 who had been doing it for a number of years. 290 00:13:50.560 --> 00:13:52.199 Quite a lot of them had been in world war ii 291 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.039 and come out of the army and everything else, 292 00:13:54.040 --> 00:13:56.119 and had done some very, very hairy stuff, 293 00:13:56.120 --> 00:13:57.759 and knew what it was 294 00:13:57.760 --> 00:14:00.119 to look after themselves and behave properly. 295 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:03.359 -So, you had this basically group of ex-servicemen 296 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:06.479 that were working in London, and they'd get odd days 297 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:08.559 to go and work as crowd and extras on films; 298 00:14:08.560 --> 00:14:10.479 and then they wanted somebody to get through, 299 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:12.439 knocked through a window, or fall off a horse 300 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:14.239 or-or get knocked over by a car. 301 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:16.399 They'd step forward because they were hard guys and, 302 00:14:16.400 --> 00:14:17.959 "yeah, that can't be too bad, you know. 303 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:19.839 Done worse than that in the war." 304 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:21.959 But they obviously had an aptitude for it as well 305 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:23.799 and they became fantastic stunt people. 306 00:14:23.800 --> 00:14:26.119 Some of the best in the world, admired by everybody. 307 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:28.079 [Paul Weston] They could fall down, you know, 308 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:30.439 and jump around and play soldiers 309 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:32.479 because they, that's what they did. 310 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:38.759 Uh, others were, um, characters, boxers, they were wrestlers, 311 00:14:38.760 --> 00:14:40.799 so they were good character, good heavy faces. 312 00:14:40.800 --> 00:14:44.119 And you knew that, you know, if they had to have a fight, 313 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:46.319 it didn't matter whether you hit them or not, you know. 314 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:48.679 They-they were big tough guys. 315 00:14:48.680 --> 00:14:49.999 -You can always tell an old film 316 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:51.799 because you see old faces in the background, 317 00:14:51.800 --> 00:14:53.919 and you know there's going to be a fight, you know. 318 00:14:53.920 --> 00:14:56.479 I'll see old films now, then suddenly you see the old faces. 319 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:57.959 I haven't seen them all, but you see, 320 00:14:57.960 --> 00:14:59.919 you know that there's going to be a fight in there 321 00:14:59.920 --> 00:15:02.279 because of the people who are in there. 322 00:15:02.280 --> 00:15:03.319 You know what I mean? 323 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:05.039 So, if they was in that bar or in that club, 324 00:15:05.040 --> 00:15:07.519 you know it was going to be off there. 325 00:15:07.520 --> 00:15:09.039 [Upbeat music] 326 00:15:09.040 --> 00:15:10.639 [Ray Winstone] Perhaps the first real 327 00:15:10.640 --> 00:15:12.719 legends of British stunt work 328 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:15.799 were this pair of brothers from south London. 329 00:15:15.800 --> 00:15:17.879 The powells. 330 00:15:17.880 --> 00:15:19.199 -The powells. 331 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:25.359 Uh, my father, who's nosher, known as nosher Powell. 332 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:27.400 [Indistinct chatter] 333 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:30.479 -Very, very well-known stuntman. 334 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:32.439 I should say about 6'4", 335 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:34.799 ex-professional heavyweight boxer, 336 00:15:34.800 --> 00:15:35.919 used to spar with Ali. 337 00:15:35.920 --> 00:15:37.599 When Muhammad Ali came over here, 338 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:39.759 he used to like to spar with nosher. 339 00:15:39.760 --> 00:15:41.800 [Upbeat music] 340 00:15:43.560 --> 00:15:45.279 -He used to clown about, you know, 341 00:15:45.280 --> 00:15:48.639 so they used to put him on last to keep all the people there. 342 00:15:48.640 --> 00:15:51.559 Uh, and he was an entertainer, a very funny guy. 343 00:15:51.560 --> 00:15:53.279 And then he got into the film business. 344 00:15:53.280 --> 00:15:54.439 His brother, dinny 345 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:58.480 [♪♪♪] 346 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:02.279 He was in the stunt business 347 00:16:02.280 --> 00:16:04.160 [man groans] 348 00:16:05.800 --> 00:16:08.439 [Plates shattering] 349 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:09.999 -Well, nosher and dinny 350 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:13.039 were big in the business when I started. 351 00:16:13.040 --> 00:16:15.279 They were part of the stunt team in those days, you know. 352 00:16:15.280 --> 00:16:16.759 -Being around the film business 353 00:16:16.760 --> 00:16:18.159 or being around all the boys 354 00:16:18.160 --> 00:16:19.879 that was always enjoying theirself, 355 00:16:19.880 --> 00:16:21.839 I really, I wanted to do the same. 356 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:25.839 I went out on a, I think it was on a school break; 357 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:29.599 dad was filming in Turkey on a film called 358 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:31.159 you can't win them all 359 00:16:31.160 --> 00:16:34.919 with Tony Curtis and um, Charles Bronson. 360 00:16:34.920 --> 00:16:37.279 And while I was out there, I got a little job 361 00:16:37.280 --> 00:16:39.399 off of Jackie Cooper who was the horsemaster, 362 00:16:39.400 --> 00:16:41.839 doin' a bit of riding around in the background, you know. 363 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:43.559 So, it really started there. 364 00:16:43.560 --> 00:16:45.759 -Looks like some other vultures got here first. 365 00:16:45.760 --> 00:16:46.839 -Yeah. 366 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:49.560 [Clippety-clop of hooves] 367 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:57.279 -They're part of the little mafias of families 368 00:16:57.280 --> 00:17:00.679 that are in not only the English stunt business, 369 00:17:00.680 --> 00:17:03.239 in the Spanish stunt business, the American stunt business, 370 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:04.719 and Chinese stunt business. 371 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:07.479 Every, it's a very incestuous business 372 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:11.399 and families just seem to grow into it, you know. 373 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:13.599 Now of course Gary Powell, Greg's younger brother, 374 00:17:13.600 --> 00:17:15.519 is one of the top coordinators in the world now. 375 00:17:15.520 --> 00:17:17.079 -So, there was a half and half, 376 00:17:17.080 --> 00:17:19.719 they were-they were some cowboy stuntmen around 377 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:22.159 who would hurt themselves occasionally, badly, 378 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:23.839 and then you wouldn't see them again. 379 00:17:23.840 --> 00:17:25.279 And then there was some of the guys 380 00:17:25.280 --> 00:17:26.639 who were known as stuntmen. 381 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:28.719 -It was people like Bob Simmons 382 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:31.760 [suspenseful music] 383 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:38.240 [Rapid gunshots] 384 00:17:39.600 --> 00:17:40.800 [Man grunts] 385 00:17:41.760 --> 00:17:43.880 -Joe Powell, who's no relation. 386 00:17:46.080 --> 00:17:47.400 -Go forward. 387 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:50.319 [Rapid gunshots] 388 00:17:50.320 --> 00:17:52.000 [Window glass shattering] 389 00:17:54.040 --> 00:17:55.960 -Um, jock Easton. 390 00:17:57.160 --> 00:17:59.559 [Rapid gunshots] 391 00:17:59.560 --> 00:18:00.599 [Man shouting] 392 00:18:00.600 --> 00:18:02.519 -Both jock Easton and Joe Powell 393 00:18:02.520 --> 00:18:04.439 had both won the Croix De guerre in the war, 394 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:06.239 and they were absolute war heroes. 395 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:07.719 They were the beginning of the sas. 396 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:10.000 -One of my great heroes, Joe Powell. 397 00:18:11.520 --> 00:18:13.679 I have so much admiration for him. 398 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:16.719 -Joe Powell did one of the greatest stunts ever on-on 399 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:20.639 the man who would be king for John Houston, 400 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:22.040 doubling for Sean Connery. 401 00:18:31.840 --> 00:18:34.880 [Footsteps] 402 00:18:37.600 --> 00:18:41.479 [Bridge rattling] 403 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:43.280 [Man speaking foreign language] 404 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:47.639 [Ropes cutting] 405 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:50.039 -[Inhales] And they had a whole team of stunt people 406 00:18:50.040 --> 00:18:51.799 from america that were going to do 407 00:18:51.800 --> 00:18:53.039 this high fall off this bridge 408 00:18:53.040 --> 00:18:55.519 and everything else, each one, in turn, 409 00:18:55.520 --> 00:18:58.919 got magical diarrhoea or had a sickness at home 410 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:02.039 or a toothache or a neck ache or leg ache, could not do it, 411 00:19:02.040 --> 00:19:04.039 and they all basically chickened out. 412 00:19:04.040 --> 00:19:07.039 So, in desperation, they said, "Joe, would you do it?" 413 00:19:07.040 --> 00:19:08.800 I said, "yeah, of course I will." 414 00:19:09.800 --> 00:19:13.519 -♪ A glorious band, the chosen few ♪ 415 00:19:13.520 --> 00:19:14.919 ♪ on whom the spirit came. ♪ 416 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:17.239 [Vic Armstrong] And he went up there still on the bridge, 417 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:18.519 wore the real metal helmet. 418 00:19:18.520 --> 00:19:20.279 [Sean Connery] ♪ twelve Valiant saints ♪ 419 00:19:20.280 --> 00:19:22.519 ♪ their hope they knew ♪ 420 00:19:22.520 --> 00:19:27.439 ♪ and mocked the cross and flame ♪ 421 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:31.599 [Sean and Michael] ♪ he met the tyrant's brandished steel ♪ 422 00:19:31.600 --> 00:19:35.999 ♪ the lion's gory mane ♪ 423 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:40.239 ♪ he bowed his head his death to feel ♪ 424 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:43.280 [Bridge clattering] 425 00:19:45.840 --> 00:19:48.959 -They flipped the bridge and he fell nearly 110 feet 426 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:51.159 down into the boxes. 427 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:53.639 The thing about the boxes were they were just built on a ledge, 428 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:55.559 and if he misses those, it's another, you know, 429 00:19:55.560 --> 00:19:58.999 a 1,000 feet to the... To the bottom of the cliff. 430 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:01.239 And he did it, and came back up again, "is that all right? 431 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:02.960 Do you want to go again?" You know. 432 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:06.519 George leech was one of the very early stuntmen. 433 00:20:06.520 --> 00:20:08.399 [Gunshot] 434 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:09.479 [Man screaming] 435 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:12.160 [Water splashes] 436 00:20:15.560 --> 00:20:17.560 [Man] [Screaming] Help! 437 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:20.679 -He started in the early '50s, 438 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:22.999 doubling for George... Uh, James Mason. 439 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:28.199 -He was, um, very intelligent and-and he was a good performer. 440 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:29.479 He was a good boxer. 441 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:32.479 He was, um, he could set up a good fight 442 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:36.319 and he knew who could hold up his hands 443 00:20:36.320 --> 00:20:38.359 and-and-and can do a good fight. 444 00:20:38.360 --> 00:20:43.079 He was a good coordinator and a nice gentle man. 445 00:20:43.080 --> 00:20:44.680 -Who's the man behind all this? 446 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:47.719 -I don't know. [Gunshot] 447 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:48.839 -I'm not joking, rico. 448 00:20:48.840 --> 00:20:50.879 [Ray Winstone] One of the most important stuntmen 449 00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:53.959 to emerge in this era is one of the last from that time 450 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:55.839 to still be alive today, 451 00:20:55.840 --> 00:20:56.999 ray Austin. 452 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:58.639 -Drop it. 453 00:20:58.640 --> 00:20:59.720 [Gunshot] 454 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:06.680 - [Punch thrown] - [Man groans] 455 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:11.719 [Suspenseful music] 456 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:13.599 [Vase shattering] 457 00:21:13.600 --> 00:21:14.840 [Man groans] 458 00:21:16.840 --> 00:21:19.880 [Punches thrown] 459 00:21:21.320 --> 00:21:24.360 [Both men grunting] 460 00:21:27.560 --> 00:21:29.599 -I came out of the army 461 00:21:29.600 --> 00:21:31.439 with what I thought was a fantastic career 462 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:33.879 because I was a physical training instructor. 463 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:36.839 I went to the London county council at westminster 464 00:21:36.840 --> 00:21:40.759 to get a, what they call a pe teacher in those days, 465 00:21:40.760 --> 00:21:43.639 it was called, in a school in england. 466 00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:45.999 And they said to me, "great, great, great. 467 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:48.559 What other subjects do you teach?" 468 00:21:48.560 --> 00:21:50.119 So, I said, "well, wait a minute. 469 00:21:50.120 --> 00:21:53.079 I don't s... I'm just a pt instructor." 470 00:21:53.080 --> 00:21:55.599 "Oh, we do pt in music, pt in art, 471 00:21:55.600 --> 00:21:57.319 pt in arithmetic, pt in English. 472 00:21:57.320 --> 00:21:59.279 We don't employ anyone just for pt," 473 00:21:59.280 --> 00:22:01.119 so I didn't have a job. 474 00:22:01.120 --> 00:22:04.519 I got a job as a chauffeur... Driver in London. 475 00:22:04.520 --> 00:22:07.999 Cary Grant came over on a visit 476 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:11.559 and I got designated to drive him. 477 00:22:11.560 --> 00:22:13.439 There was a little coffee bar, 478 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:16.319 and Cary and I went in there one night. 479 00:22:16.320 --> 00:22:18.159 Sat down to have a coffee, 480 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:20.999 and there were about three or four yobs in there, 481 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:24.239 as we called them in those days, from the area, 482 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:26.079 and they spotted him, 483 00:22:26.080 --> 00:22:28.679 and they started to give him a bad time; 484 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:29.959 one thing and another. 485 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:31.639 He got up and went to leave, 486 00:22:31.640 --> 00:22:33.159 and I was going to follow him out. 487 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:36.159 And as he went to leave, the guy sitting on the stool 488 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:37.679 grabbed Cary's arm 489 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:40.639 to pull him 'round, and Cary stepped back at it, 490 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:43.719 so I stepped between and I hit the guy. 491 00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:46.919 So, we started to be more than just a driver, 492 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:49.839 and-and Cary and I became his sort of man Friday. 493 00:22:49.840 --> 00:22:52.879 We're in Los Angeles, Malibu, 494 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:57.159 and I had-i had a little rented house on the beach in Malibu 495 00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:00.359 in those days where we used to surf, and one thing and another. 496 00:23:00.360 --> 00:23:03.039 And Cary Grant's stunt double at that time 497 00:23:03.040 --> 00:23:05.599 was a stuntman called Paul stader. 498 00:23:05.600 --> 00:23:06.919 Great stuntman. 499 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:09.679 A job with Johnny weissmuller and all those sort of people. 500 00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:12.720 [Johnny weissmuller yells like Tarzan] 501 00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:19.679 -And he was sort of in in the stunt business. 502 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:22.079 He was the stuntman to know. 503 00:23:22.080 --> 00:23:28.919 I always noticed that stars, actors, and directors 504 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:33.519 always were friends or liked stuntmen. 505 00:23:33.520 --> 00:23:36.519 You know, your Roger Moores and Sean connerys 506 00:23:36.520 --> 00:23:38.319 always had time to talk to a stuntman. 507 00:23:38.320 --> 00:23:40.319 They never had time to talk to extras always 508 00:23:40.320 --> 00:23:42.719 or stand-ins, but always stuntmen. 509 00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:45.439 A stuntman could always get to them. So I 510 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:46.759 thought about it and thought, 511 00:23:46.760 --> 00:23:48.519 "well, if I'm gonna get in the industry, 512 00:23:48.520 --> 00:23:51.479 that is the way to go, is to become a stuntman." 513 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:52.959 So, Paul came to me and he said, 514 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:55.839 "you want to do a stunt in a movie?" 515 00:23:55.840 --> 00:23:57.279 So, I said, "yeah." 516 00:23:57.280 --> 00:24:00.199 And it evolved fro-from that, 517 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:01.679 that I got into the stunt business 518 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:03.719 and started doing all the things, you know, 519 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.120 and then it escalated from there. I got very lucky. 520 00:24:15.600 --> 00:24:17.560 [Soldiers screaming] 521 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:20.879 -Come on, cut it out. 522 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:23.799 [Loud tapping on table] 523 00:24:23.800 --> 00:24:26.000 [Indistinct mutter] 524 00:24:28.560 --> 00:24:30.319 -Burn this for the state. 525 00:24:30.320 --> 00:24:32.879 - [Plates shattering] - [Loud groaning] 526 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:33.920 [Man] I doubt that. 527 00:24:38.520 --> 00:24:41.560 [Thrilling music] 528 00:24:48.320 --> 00:24:51.159 -I got very, um, lucky and clever 529 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:54.159 because I found out that I was a good arranger. 530 00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:56.199 So suddenly, I'm arranging the stunts, 531 00:24:56.200 --> 00:24:58.759 and I'm the one making the phone calls at night to the stuntmen, 532 00:24:58.760 --> 00:25:00.359 saying, "I want you tomorrow morning, 533 00:25:00.360 --> 00:25:02.239 so I'll have five of you tomorrow," 534 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:03.719 working out the fight and doing it. 535 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:05.599 So, I really took over 536 00:25:05.600 --> 00:25:08.079 and didn't have to do physical stunts myself 537 00:25:08.080 --> 00:25:10.479 unless it was something that I particularly wanted to do. 538 00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:13.320 [♪♪♪] 539 00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:31.879 The thing I'm known for more than anything is kung fu. 540 00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:33.719 I mean, I brought kung fu to the screen. 541 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:35.119 No one else did. 542 00:25:35.120 --> 00:25:36.160 [Man] Back up. 543 00:25:39.320 --> 00:25:41.319 [Fingers snapping] 544 00:25:41.320 --> 00:25:42.799 -Give me the gun. 545 00:25:42.800 --> 00:25:44.199 -Back up. 546 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:47.120 [Fingers snapping] 547 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:53.280 -Give me the gun. 548 00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:57.920 [Gun thuds] 549 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:06.599 -I brought kung fu into the country. 550 00:26:06.600 --> 00:26:10.279 I taught them kung fu, and we used to fight kung fu, 551 00:26:10.280 --> 00:26:12.760 but I never thought of doing the high speed. 552 00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:16.119 You can imagine Diana rigg in that outfit 553 00:26:16.120 --> 00:26:17.679 doing kung fu at high speed. 554 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:20.799 Oh, boy. She'd have been incredible doing that. 555 00:26:20.800 --> 00:26:22.799 Those long legs sticking out there, 556 00:26:22.800 --> 00:26:25.120 going at high speed, everybody would have loved it. 557 00:26:28.520 --> 00:26:29.599 [Man grunts] 558 00:26:29.600 --> 00:26:31.040 - [Knee thrown] - [Man grunts] 559 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:35.199 -Mrs. Peel, you're remarkable. 560 00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:38.199 -He was, um, sort of an icon for us 561 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:41.599 because he took it another stage further. 562 00:26:41.600 --> 00:26:46.759 He started to, um, stay in-in the camera room 563 00:26:46.760 --> 00:26:48.359 when all the camera guys had gone, 564 00:26:48.360 --> 00:26:52.439 and he'd go through the lenses and he'd learn about a camera, 565 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:53.879 get one of the guys to help him. 566 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:55.199 He learnt camera. 567 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:58.799 He learnt, um, all the departments, what they did. 568 00:26:58.800 --> 00:27:02.119 Um, and he-he learnt his trade. 569 00:27:02.120 --> 00:27:06.399 And so, when he wanted to... To direct second unit, 570 00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:08.119 um, they allowed him to do it 571 00:27:08.120 --> 00:27:10.159 because they-they believed in him. 572 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:12.919 [Ray Winstone] Despite being one of the greatest stunt performers 573 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:15.599 of his generation, ray was keen to use stunt work 574 00:27:15.600 --> 00:27:17.919 as a leg up within the industry. 575 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:20.399 He used his time on film sets 576 00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:21.799 to learn from everyone around him 577 00:27:21.800 --> 00:27:24.119 and would progress to a long career in america 578 00:27:24.120 --> 00:27:27.239 as director of some of the biggest action TV shows. 579 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:29.199 -But I got out and got behind the camera 580 00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:30.919 and became a director and a writer 581 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.119 and a novelist and so on. 582 00:27:33.120 --> 00:27:36.439 You know, it's a great life for me, great life. 583 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:37.599 -He deserves everything 584 00:27:37.600 --> 00:27:40.919 that he's ever achieved because he's worked at it. 585 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:44.759 He took it to another level for a stuntman to be able to become, 586 00:27:44.760 --> 00:27:48.719 um, a film director. 587 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:50.359 [Ray Winstone] Ray employed, trained, 588 00:27:50.360 --> 00:27:54.039 and inspired a whole new generation of performers 589 00:27:54.040 --> 00:27:57.440 who would go on to completely reshape the trade. 590 00:27:58.840 --> 00:28:04.399 -My father was an actor cum extra, cum stuntman. 591 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:06.199 Larry Taylor. 592 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:09.319 He was a good-looking man with a gap in his teeth, you know. 593 00:28:09.320 --> 00:28:10.519 Actor. 594 00:28:10.520 --> 00:28:13.319 The biggest thing he ever did was zulu. 595 00:28:13.320 --> 00:28:15.519 He played a big part in zulu. 596 00:28:15.520 --> 00:28:17.160 [Hughes] Colour-sergeant bourne. 597 00:28:18.600 --> 00:28:20.239 What's that shooting? 598 00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:21.999 [Colour-sergeant] A rifle, Hughes. 599 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:23.199 [Hughes] Hey? 600 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:24.479 -If you're sick in hospital, 601 00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:26.959 I suggest you go and lie down. 602 00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:28.239 -Yes, colour-sergeant. 603 00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:29.839 [Rocky Taylor] He had the broken neck. 604 00:28:29.840 --> 00:28:33.159 When the building's burning, he's in there, 605 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:35.439 trying to get everybody out. 606 00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:37.839 They all collected all around him. 607 00:28:37.840 --> 00:28:40.159 Said I want you to do judo. 608 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:41.759 I got to black belt very early 609 00:28:41.760 --> 00:28:44.759 through Dougie Robinson and Joe Robinson. 610 00:28:44.760 --> 00:28:46.399 [♪♪♪] 611 00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:48.159 [Ray Winstone] Doug and Joe Robinson 612 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:50.799 were hugely respected in the film industry. 613 00:28:50.800 --> 00:28:53.319 It was the Robinson boys who taught some of 614 00:28:53.320 --> 00:28:55.760 britain's biggest stars how to fight. 615 00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.639 -I got to black belt, brown belt, black belt. 616 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.479 And, um, came the avengers. 617 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:06.520 [♪♪♪] 618 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.519 -I'm terribly sorry, young fella. 619 00:29:15.520 --> 00:29:17.159 [Coins clanking] 620 00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:18.440 All in a good cause. 621 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:22.719 -Ray Austin, he gave me my first break 622 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:24.919 on the avengers. 623 00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:26.119 When I went down, 624 00:29:26.120 --> 00:29:29.240 I-I was-i was down playing the part of the thug. 625 00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:32.279 [Slap thrown] 626 00:29:32.280 --> 00:29:34.239 [♪♪♪] 627 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:35.520 [Body thudding] 628 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:38.720 [Man grunts] 629 00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:43.239 -And there was this scene 630 00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:45.519 where a guy had to come down the stairs, 631 00:29:45.520 --> 00:29:48.319 flip over onto the table, 632 00:29:48.320 --> 00:29:50.759 jump on the table, punches him with one foot, 633 00:29:50.760 --> 00:29:54.199 punches him with another, boom, and he goes down. 634 00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:58.519 And ray said, his name is Steve songs. 635 00:29:58.520 --> 00:30:00.519 His name was Steve songs, extra cum stuntman. 636 00:30:00.520 --> 00:30:02.639 He said, "ray, I can't do that." 637 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:03.919 He said, "what do you mean?" 638 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:05.479 "No, it's not quite me." 639 00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:06.679 He went, "rocky." 640 00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:08.359 I said, "yeah." "Can you do this?" 641 00:30:08.360 --> 00:30:11.519 "What?" and ray showed me, because ray could do it. 642 00:30:11.520 --> 00:30:13.679 Ray said, "can you do this? On the banister... boom. 643 00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:17.039 On the table... boom, kick, boom, boom. Bang, bang." 644 00:30:17.040 --> 00:30:19.159 I said, "well, I think so. Hang on." 645 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:21.559 At the bottom, he went, "that's exactly what I want. 646 00:30:21.560 --> 00:30:22.679 Go and get changed." 647 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:24.839 I said, "what?" "Go and get changed. 648 00:30:24.840 --> 00:30:26.240 You're now steed's double." 649 00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:33.360 [Statue clanking] 650 00:30:35.040 --> 00:30:38.080 [Swords swishing] 651 00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:50.119 I'm now steed of the avengers double 652 00:30:50.120 --> 00:30:51.799 from nowhere. 653 00:30:51.800 --> 00:30:54.280 I now got five years' work on the avengers. 654 00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:57.119 That was my big breakthrough. 655 00:30:57.120 --> 00:30:58.879 Ray Austin, bless him. 656 00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:00.999 -TV shows then, you had the avengers, 657 00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:03.079 you had the Saint, champions. 658 00:31:03.080 --> 00:31:06.279 It was-it was TV shows going every day. 659 00:31:06.280 --> 00:31:07.679 They had stunts every day. 660 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:09.679 -Yeah, I had a great time on TV. 661 00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:13.359 I had two wonderful years on the avengers 662 00:31:13.360 --> 00:31:15.599 and doing the barons and the saints and all those. 663 00:31:15.600 --> 00:31:18.399 -Television was still a little bit in its 664 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:19.519 [clears throat] Infancy. 665 00:31:19.520 --> 00:31:21.759 And you could go and perform on television and do it. 666 00:31:21.760 --> 00:31:24.039 But the money was not the same as it was in films. 667 00:31:24.040 --> 00:31:25.919 And on films, you got long contracts. 668 00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:29.079 So, you'd be two or three or four months on the film. 669 00:31:29.080 --> 00:31:31.279 And that was the thing that it was to get, 670 00:31:31.280 --> 00:31:33.759 was to break the back of that and be able to get into that. 671 00:31:33.760 --> 00:31:38.119 -We occasionally got down, okay, uh... 672 00:31:38.120 --> 00:31:39.839 Film stunt guys came down. 673 00:31:39.840 --> 00:31:43.519 And you know, the-the-the Bob Simmons and Terry yorkes 674 00:31:43.520 --> 00:31:48.039 and they've been away on movies, and, um you thought, 675 00:31:48.040 --> 00:31:50.239 "wow, I wonder what it's like to be on a big movie." 676 00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:54.559 -In the early days, stuntmen didn't want to help. 677 00:31:54.560 --> 00:31:57.119 My generation came into the business, 678 00:31:57.120 --> 00:32:00.680 they because they saw it as a threat, so 679 00:32:02.280 --> 00:32:04.479 you had to fend for yourself. 680 00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:08.279 -Gradually, we as young stunt guys coming in, 681 00:32:08.280 --> 00:32:12.239 um, started to be able to watch what they were doing. 682 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:13.759 And sometimes you'd think, 683 00:32:13.760 --> 00:32:15.399 "oh, I wouldn't do it that way." 684 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:18.239 You'd see a guy, you know, hurt himself coming off 685 00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.919 of a balcony or something because he didn't fall right. 686 00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:24.639 Yeah. And so we learnt, I learned by other people's... 687 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:26.479 Watching other people that did it well, 688 00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:28.479 and-and some of their mistakes. 689 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.759 -Because I was an apprentice at rolls Royce 690 00:32:30.760 --> 00:32:33.359 and was into helicopters and that, 691 00:32:33.360 --> 00:32:36.399 and did my five years engineering-wise, 692 00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:38.959 it was nothing... you could come out with ideas 693 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:43.079 that you used to get on a... On a set and look at, 694 00:32:43.080 --> 00:32:45.759 uh, a layout to what they were doing and say, 695 00:32:45.760 --> 00:32:48.799 "well, that ain't gonna work. We need to do this." 696 00:32:48.800 --> 00:32:52.959 So, I came in at that era, and I got so much work 697 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:54.959 I couldn't but of course, 698 00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:59.719 that didn't help the situation between the old guys and myself, 699 00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:02.319 because they said, "how come this bastard 700 00:33:02.320 --> 00:33:04.399 is getting all the work and he's... 701 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:06.959 He's only been in the industry five minutes?" 702 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:08.759 -And there was a lot of... I mean, 703 00:33:08.760 --> 00:33:09.959 you hear terrible stories 704 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.519 as that, that when they were doing ivanhoe 705 00:33:12.520 --> 00:33:14.759 in [indistinct] 706 00:33:14.760 --> 00:33:15.800 [Man groans] 707 00:33:17.040 --> 00:33:18.639 [Paul Weston] A guy went up there to 708 00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:19.799 do a fall off a battlement. 709 00:33:19.800 --> 00:33:22.560 And he put his boxes down and the mattresses and whatever. 710 00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:27.519 And someone had put some rocks in on the top of the bed. 711 00:33:27.520 --> 00:33:30.399 If you, they didn't like you, then you may, 712 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:33.159 you know, not, you may get injured. 713 00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.879 Um, so yes, so I think it was tougher in those days 714 00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:38.559 because they were, they were wrestlers, 715 00:33:38.560 --> 00:33:40.439 and they were boxers and they were, 716 00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:44.519 um, people from the east end, from the west end, you know. 717 00:33:44.520 --> 00:33:47.279 Um, they were all trying to make a living. 718 00:33:47.280 --> 00:33:49.279 They would drive, you know, down to Spain 719 00:33:49.280 --> 00:33:50.599 if there's a movie in Spain 720 00:33:50.600 --> 00:33:52.919 and just be there and they would, you know, 721 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.159 work on the film and sleep in the car. 722 00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.039 I mean, there was no organization. 723 00:33:57.040 --> 00:34:00.039 They just did it to, because, you know, 724 00:34:00.040 --> 00:34:01.519 they'd earn enough money out of it 725 00:34:01.520 --> 00:34:03.439 to-to bring some money home. 726 00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:04.599 That was... [Clears throat] 727 00:34:04.600 --> 00:34:08.239 The difficulty that was going on in terms of paddy Ryan 728 00:34:08.240 --> 00:34:10.759 and-and jock Easton. 729 00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:16.039 Um, Joe Powell and Eddie Powell, um, they were... 730 00:34:16.040 --> 00:34:18.479 They were doing that because there was no other way. 731 00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:20.199 That-that's, you know, 732 00:34:20.200 --> 00:34:22.439 that's the way the business was at that time. 733 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:24.959 They had no respect other than, you know, if you get up there, 734 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:26.639 and you fall off, that's great. 735 00:34:26.640 --> 00:34:29.039 Get a round of applause. 736 00:34:29.040 --> 00:34:31.399 Away you go. They didn't want any other than that. 737 00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:34.639 And we used to, um, have to sign blood chits, 738 00:34:34.640 --> 00:34:39.959 which meant that you forego any, um 739 00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:43.679 you-you take on all the responsibility of that fall. 740 00:34:43.680 --> 00:34:45.519 If you fell on somebody and killed them, 741 00:34:45.520 --> 00:34:47.039 you would be sued. 742 00:34:47.040 --> 00:34:51.439 We got our first sort of, um, guild together, 743 00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:55.999 and we said, "look, we got to not be extras anymore. 744 00:34:56.000 --> 00:35:00.079 We need to be part of equity and start to-to get some respect 745 00:35:00.080 --> 00:35:03.439 from the industry, uh, as stunt performers." 746 00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:05.519 -I think people finally realized 747 00:35:05.520 --> 00:35:07.319 that being a stuntman 748 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.479 did not necessarily the basic criteria was 749 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:11.839 being an ex-boxer 750 00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:14.319 with a sort of broken nose and a cauliflower ear, and he says, 751 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:16.839 "I'll have a go at that, governor." There was a lot more to it, 752 00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:18.559 and we were getting more mechanized, 753 00:35:18.560 --> 00:35:20.799 and people would, you know, the car, I mean, 754 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:21.839 bullets had come out, 755 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.079 and the great car chase had suddenly become, 756 00:35:24.080 --> 00:35:26.000 "mm. Let's have a little go at that." 757 00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:30.000 [Cars speeding] 758 00:35:34.240 --> 00:35:37.280 [Car tires screeching] 759 00:35:40.680 --> 00:35:44.920 So, you can't do that kind of stuff with that. 760 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:48.560 [Ray Winstone] It was time for things to change. 761 00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:51.639 -We'd done two or three bonds in england, 762 00:35:51.640 --> 00:35:54.399 and there's people who are interested in coming over here 763 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:55.719 and doing more action pictures. 764 00:35:55.720 --> 00:36:01.399 And, you know, they want to, to, uh, uh, nail down the skills, 765 00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:04.479 which is why those stunt coordinators 766 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:06.999 got together with equity. 767 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.079 And the stunt register was thus formed. 768 00:36:10.080 --> 00:36:11.679 If you had two stunt contracts, 769 00:36:11.680 --> 00:36:13.559 you could come on the stunt register, 770 00:36:13.560 --> 00:36:15.559 and you were accepted as a stuntman. 771 00:36:15.560 --> 00:36:17.639 -A lot of the stunt guys that were established 772 00:36:17.640 --> 00:36:19.559 thought it was, you know, just a gimmick, 773 00:36:19.560 --> 00:36:21.079 and they didn't want to pay to go in it. 774 00:36:21.080 --> 00:36:24.079 And they-they thought it was a silly idea 775 00:36:24.080 --> 00:36:25.839 because they were already established 776 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:27.519 in their own little way. 777 00:36:27.520 --> 00:36:32.039 But once we got into equity, the other guys had to come in. 778 00:36:32.040 --> 00:36:35.639 Either they joined us in equity, or they weren't, 779 00:36:35.640 --> 00:36:36.959 you know, they weren't insured. 780 00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:40.999 And we started the first insurance through, um, lloyds. 781 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:43.919 -And we began getting proper contracts 782 00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:45.759 which were stunt contracts. 783 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.839 They weren't just a glorified artist's contract; 784 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:51.519 they were stunt contracts. 785 00:36:51.520 --> 00:36:54.159 And that was that again made a big difference 786 00:36:54.160 --> 00:36:57.279 because we'd said we set our own minimum daily rates 787 00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.279 and said, "we will not perform for less than that. 788 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.399 If you want to go outside the register 789 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:04.479 and get somebody who wants to do it for thruppence, 790 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:05.759 then that's your business. 791 00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:07.119 But what you will get 792 00:37:07.120 --> 00:37:09.359 when you come to somebody on the stunt register 793 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:12.879 is a professional performer or coordinator, 794 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:15.519 who's done it before and expects to be paid correctly 795 00:37:15.520 --> 00:37:18.599 and expects to have a contract which is enforceable 796 00:37:18.600 --> 00:37:23.239 if either of you step outside the realm of that contract." 797 00:37:23.240 --> 00:37:24.719 And that's the way it should be done. 798 00:37:24.720 --> 00:37:26.279 -We came in with no qualifications. 799 00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.159 We were all hypocrites in the world, you know. 800 00:37:28.160 --> 00:37:29.639 [Laughs] Let's face it. 801 00:37:29.640 --> 00:37:32.919 We dec-decided for the better of the film business, 802 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:36.839 if you could form a group, an organization of some people 803 00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:40.999 that do have qualifications, or if they haven't, 804 00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:43.479 they work under people that do have qualifications 805 00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.159 and the safety standards then are higher 806 00:37:45.160 --> 00:37:48.079 because then we have probationary, intermediate, 807 00:37:48.080 --> 00:37:50.159 and then full members, so they had to go through 808 00:37:50.160 --> 00:37:53.199 a probationary period to an intermediate period. 809 00:37:53.200 --> 00:37:54.599 And when they're intermediate, 810 00:37:54.600 --> 00:37:56.239 they could coordinate their own stunts, 811 00:37:56.240 --> 00:37:58.359 but they couldn't coordinate for other people. 812 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.639 And then, once they got enough qualification for that, 813 00:38:00.640 --> 00:38:02.239 then they became stunt coordinators 814 00:38:02.240 --> 00:38:04.519 which is a totally logical and sensible 815 00:38:04.520 --> 00:38:06.839 and safe way of doing it. 816 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.399 -So, when they come in, they're vetted, 817 00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:12.039 so you had a committee who vet whether they could ride a horse, 818 00:38:12.040 --> 00:38:13.679 whether they could do a fight scene, 819 00:38:13.680 --> 00:38:15.119 whether they could handle a sword, 820 00:38:15.120 --> 00:38:17.799 whether they could do a fall, they could swim. They could dive, 821 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:19.199 whether they could drive a car, 822 00:38:19.200 --> 00:38:20.759 whether they could drive a motorbike. 823 00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.359 And then we formed a book called the stunt register. 824 00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:25.039 -Known as the book of lies. 825 00:38:25.040 --> 00:38:28.080 [Upbeat music] 826 00:39:19.560 --> 00:39:21.359 'Cause if one put a dot by everything, 827 00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:22.879 you know, they could do everything 828 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:24.159 and say, "there's a black dot." 829 00:39:24.160 --> 00:39:26.159 So that was commonly known as the book of lies. 830 00:39:26.160 --> 00:39:29.199 -My ex-partner, Alan Stewart, 831 00:39:29.200 --> 00:39:32.839 did a car jump in Hong Kong, right? 832 00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:35.999 We had a car transported there with a bus parked here, 833 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:39.039 and he goes over, jumps the bus. 834 00:39:39.040 --> 00:39:40.879 And he put [laughs] 835 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:43.159 One year, he put that picture 836 00:39:43.160 --> 00:39:46.959 of this happening in the stunt book, right, 837 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:49.999 and Eddie eddon, god rest his soul as well, 838 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:54.799 he put the same picture in in his column of the same jump. 839 00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:55.839 I'll never forget it. 840 00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:58.599 I've still got the... That one particular one. 841 00:39:58.600 --> 00:40:00.359 -And it progressed from there, really, 842 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:03.279 and it became something of... 843 00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:06.639 Then became something of a closed shop, 844 00:40:06.640 --> 00:40:12.359 so that we, the stuntmen, had a kind of monopoly 845 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:14.919 on doing stunts, and the producers 846 00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:17.039 only wanted to use people off the stunt register 847 00:40:17.040 --> 00:40:20.199 unless there was a particular skill of something, like a... 848 00:40:20.200 --> 00:40:22.359 You know, a trapeze artist or something you could do, 849 00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:24.079 then fine, but otherwise, 850 00:40:24.080 --> 00:40:27.119 they were encouraged very much to go on to the stunt register. 851 00:40:27.120 --> 00:40:33.759 So, when you have a, um, cartel, almost which is, you know, 852 00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:36.639 pretty much what it was, with the endorsement of the industry, 853 00:40:36.640 --> 00:40:39.039 it's not like we were setting out being the mafia and all, 854 00:40:39.040 --> 00:40:40.959 or we were going out threatening people, 855 00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:42.639 but they principally want 856 00:40:42.640 --> 00:40:44.159 would come to the stunt register. 857 00:40:44.160 --> 00:40:47.639 "Health and safety" started to creep in, 858 00:40:47.640 --> 00:40:51.439 where the insurance companies and the producers 859 00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:54.239 wanted to know that there was actually 860 00:40:54.240 --> 00:40:57.319 a delineated form of progress for people, 861 00:40:57.320 --> 00:40:59.239 and it made the whole organization 862 00:40:59.240 --> 00:41:00.959 a great deal more professional. 863 00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:03.519 And as those older members dropped away, 864 00:41:03.520 --> 00:41:04.679 [clears throat] 865 00:41:04.680 --> 00:41:07.839 Everybody was going to become a lot more professional. 866 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:11.079 -It was really getting technical then. 867 00:41:11.080 --> 00:41:17.159 Special effects were coming up and-and I found that you 868 00:41:17.160 --> 00:41:20.879 uh, you'd work more with special effects 869 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:22.439 than the older guys did, 870 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:27.199 because the older guys just didn't do it. 871 00:41:27.200 --> 00:41:30.039 -We're now the groundbreakers, and moving forward, 872 00:41:30.040 --> 00:41:32.599 on how to fly and how to shoot upside-down sets, 873 00:41:32.600 --> 00:41:34.720 and wires, and all sorts of things. 874 00:41:35.680 --> 00:41:39.199 -It was a busy time, a busy period. 875 00:41:39.200 --> 00:41:43.119 The '70s and '80s and-and '90s, really. 876 00:41:43.120 --> 00:41:45.400 That was when it all happened. 877 00:41:47.240 --> 00:41:49.359 ["Born to raise hell" performed by motorhead] 878 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:51.240 [Scatting] 879 00:42:09.040 --> 00:42:12.879 -♪ Listen up here I'll make it quite clear ♪ 880 00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.839 ♪ I'm gonna put some boogie in your ear ♪ 881 00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:18.960 ♪ shake and bop don't you stop ♪ 882 00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:23.119 ♪ dance like a maniac until you drop ♪ 883 00:42:23.120 --> 00:42:26.479 ♪ I don't mind I don't mind ♪ 884 00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:30.080 ♪ I can run a razor right up your spine ♪ 885 00:42:31.160 --> 00:42:34.119 ♪ what are you waiting for? ♪ 886 00:42:34.120 --> 00:42:36.999 ♪ What do you think you were created for? ♪ 887 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:39.359 ♪ Show us you care ♪ 888 00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:40.759 ♪ show us you dare ♪ 889 00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:44.119 ♪ you don't know what happened if you weren't there ♪ 890 00:42:44.120 --> 00:42:47.039 ♪ born to raise hell ♪ 891 00:42:47.040 --> 00:42:49.639 ♪ we know how to do it ♪ 892 00:42:49.640 --> 00:42:50.719 ♪ and we do it real well ♪ 893 00:42:50.720 --> 00:42:54.279 ♪ born to raise hell ♪ 894 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:56.039 ♪ voodoo medicine ♪ 895 00:42:56.040 --> 00:42:57.519 ♪ cast my spell ♪ 896 00:42:57.520 --> 00:43:01.039 ♪ born to raise hell ♪ 897 00:43:01.040 --> 00:43:04.720 ♪ play that guitar just like ringin' a bell ♪ 898 00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:11.440 ♪ Take it or leave it ♪ 899 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:15.920 [Gunfire] 900 00:43:18.560 --> 00:43:20.239 ♪ Going for broke ♪ 901 00:43:20.240 --> 00:43:21.600 ♪ rock 'til you choke ♪ 902 00:43:22.560 --> 00:43:25.519 ♪ it don't matter if you drink or smoke ♪ 903 00:43:25.520 --> 00:43:27.679 ♪ speak through the beat ♪ 904 00:43:27.680 --> 00:43:28.719 ♪ get up on your feet ♪ 905 00:43:28.720 --> 00:43:30.479 ♪ sweating like a hound dog ♪ 906 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:31.880 ♪ white as a sheet ♪ 907 00:43:33.120 --> 00:43:35.679 ♪ don't you be scared don't you be scared ♪ 908 00:43:35.680 --> 00:43:40.719 ♪ everybody terrified it don't seem fair ♪ 909 00:43:40.720 --> 00:43:43.279 ♪ what are you waiting for? ♪ 910 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.800 ♪ What do you think you were created for ♪ 911 00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:49.799 ♪ out of your seat blind in the heat ♪ 912 00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:53.359 ♪ do the nasty boogie mama stomp your feet ♪ 913 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:56.759 ♪ born to raise hell born to raise hell ♪ 914 00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:58.399 ♪ we know how to do it ♪ 915 00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:00.279 ♪ and we do it real well ♪ 916 00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:03.759 ♪ born to raise hell ♪ 917 00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:04.999 ♪ go back to zero ♪ 918 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.199 ♪ take a pill and get well ♪ 919 00:44:07.200 --> 00:44:10.719 ♪ born to raise hell ♪ 920 00:44:10.720 --> 00:44:12.719 ♪ be a good soldier ♪ - [Bomb exploding] 921 00:44:12.720 --> 00:44:14.679 - [Rapid gunshots] - ♪ and die where you fell ♪ 922 00:44:14.680 --> 00:44:16.159 [Chandelier shattering] 923 00:44:16.160 --> 00:44:18.760 [Perky music] 924 00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.119 ♪ It's your momma ♪♪ 925 00:44:22.120 --> 00:44:24.720 [Lively guitar music] 926 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:12.360 [Rapid gunshots] 927 00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:17.039 [Body thuds] 928 00:45:17.040 --> 00:45:19.319 -It was just, it was what we wanted to do. 929 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:20.399 It was what we were doing. 930 00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.519 So naturally, wake up in the morning, every day, 931 00:45:22.520 --> 00:45:23.919 you'd be up at five in the morning, 932 00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:25.599 six days a week, seven days a week. 933 00:45:25.600 --> 00:45:26.919 You'd have a hangover 934 00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:28.839 because you had a party on the Saturday night. 935 00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.279 And then you'd get up and do design stuff on Sunday afternoon 936 00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:33.319 if you weren't playing tennis or doing something. 937 00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:34.679 It was just the way our life was. 938 00:45:34.680 --> 00:45:36.719 -Yeah, it was a good living. Yeah, absolutely. 939 00:45:36.720 --> 00:45:39.119 And, uh, if, providing you got 940 00:45:39.120 --> 00:45:44.279 on to the-to the rollercoaster of coordinators. 941 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:45.439 Once you were on the team, 942 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:47.639 you just went from one film to another film. 943 00:45:47.640 --> 00:45:52.039 -And I'd be away for like six, nine months at a time. 944 00:45:52.040 --> 00:45:54.719 I worked with Stallone. Uh 945 00:45:54.720 --> 00:45:56.679 I've doubled dolph lundgren. 946 00:45:56.680 --> 00:45:59.239 I-I had got into a... 947 00:45:59.240 --> 00:46:01.839 A lot of films like that 948 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:05.439 where I was doubling main actors. 949 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:07.719 [Ray Winstone] Of all the British stunt performers, 950 00:46:07.720 --> 00:46:10.919 one seemed to stand out above the rest within the industry. 951 00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:14.319 Vic assumed legendary status when he became associated with 952 00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:16.639 and would go on to define 953 00:46:16.640 --> 00:46:19.679 perhaps cinema's greatest action hero. 954 00:46:19.680 --> 00:46:24.599 -My brother was working on two films. 955 00:46:24.600 --> 00:46:27.079 One was called Hanover street. 956 00:46:27.080 --> 00:46:30.039 And he said, "there's a guy in there looks just like you." 957 00:46:30.040 --> 00:46:32.599 And then the other one was force 10 from navarone 958 00:46:32.600 --> 00:46:34.839 in yugoslavia or somewhere funny. 959 00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:36.639 And I was talking to him on the phone one day 960 00:46:36.640 --> 00:46:38.799 because you couldn't, in those days, 961 00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:40.319 you couldn't, didn't have emails 962 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:42.359 and didn't have skypes or anything like that. 963 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:43.959 And he'd phoned home to mum and dad once, 964 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:45.799 and I was talking to him. He said, "here, Vic, 965 00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:47.519 "I'm wor... Got this actor on this film. 966 00:46:47.520 --> 00:46:49.039 He's a dead ringer for you, you know. 967 00:46:49.040 --> 00:46:50.399 You should keep an eye on him. 968 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:51.599 If he, you know, gets famous, 969 00:46:51.600 --> 00:46:53.199 he'd be a good one for you to double." 970 00:46:53.200 --> 00:46:55.399 "Oh, what's his name?" He said, "Harrison Ford." 971 00:46:55.400 --> 00:47:00.039 Cut two years later, 1980 or something, '79, 972 00:47:00.040 --> 00:47:02.959 and I kept getting these calls from David tomblin, 973 00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:04.839 one of the greatest ads in the world, who we did 974 00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:06.879 Superman, bridge too far, many, many films with, 975 00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.639 fantastic ad. He's saying, "look, when are you coming back, though? 976 00:47:09.640 --> 00:47:12.119 We've got this actor. You're-you're a good double for him." 977 00:47:12.120 --> 00:47:14.679 And it was Harrison, which I didn't know at that time. 978 00:47:14.680 --> 00:47:15.759 I arrived on the set, 979 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:17.799 and Peter diamond was the stunt coordinator. 980 00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:21.039 They met me and everything else. All the stunt guys were there, 981 00:47:21.040 --> 00:47:23.519 hanging 'round the set, and I was watching them filming 982 00:47:23.520 --> 00:47:26.199 and obviously knew Spielberg and everything else by this time. 983 00:47:26.200 --> 00:47:27.319 I knew of them. 984 00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:28.439 So, I'm walking away, 985 00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.879 and somebody's shouting, "Harrison" and I ignored him 986 00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:33.879 and "Harrison, Harrison." 987 00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:36.359 And then somebody grabbed me on the shoulder, spun me around, 988 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:38.039 and said, "but you're not Harrison." 989 00:47:38.040 --> 00:47:39.239 And it was Steven Spielberg. 990 00:47:39.240 --> 00:47:41.759 And I went, "no. No, I'm not." 991 00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:44.079 And he went, "and who are you?" I said, "Vic Armstrong." 992 00:47:44.080 --> 00:47:45.839 He says, "what are you doing here?" I said, 993 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:48.599 "I've just arrived last night. I'm a stuntman. Just got called in." 994 00:47:48.600 --> 00:47:50.399 "You're a stuntman? Tomblin, David, David. 995 00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:52.399 Look, this guy rates he's a stuntman. 996 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:54.159 He looks just like Harrison." 997 00:47:54.160 --> 00:47:56.519 And, um, David said, "well, this is the guy 998 00:47:56.520 --> 00:47:58.119 I've been telling you about, Steven. 999 00:47:58.120 --> 00:48:00.799 He's not been available. He's just arrived now, you know?" 1000 00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:02.799 [Gasps] "Oh, okay. Okay, okay." 1001 00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:05.399 And that was my introduction to Steven Spielberg. 1002 00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.639 And a couple of days later, dav... Peter diamond said, 1003 00:48:07.640 --> 00:48:10.879 "look, you handle the fight round the flying wing 1004 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:12.959 with big pat roach" who's an old mate of mine, 1005 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.479 I fought pat for years and years and years in films. 1006 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.399 "You handle pat around the 1007 00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:20.079 the fight around the flying wing. 1008 00:48:20.080 --> 00:48:21.999 I've got to go and start the truck chase." 1009 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:26.159 First morning we were there, again, it was almost lunchtime, 1010 00:48:26.160 --> 00:48:28.199 Spielberg had sort of, 1011 00:48:28.200 --> 00:48:29.999 didn't really talk to me much during the day, 1012 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:31.519 but I'm just watching all the shots. 1013 00:48:31.520 --> 00:48:33.319 In those days, you had to get your... look over 1014 00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:35.559 the lens of the camera when they're doing the punches, 1015 00:48:35.560 --> 00:48:37.879 and make sure the punch, you know, there wasn't a miss 1016 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:39.519 or anything when they... When they hit. 1017 00:48:39.520 --> 00:48:41.279 And one of these punches, 1018 00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:43.559 it's just about lunchtime, and he, 1019 00:48:43.560 --> 00:48:47.559 Harrison, threw a punch at, um, pat roach, and Steven went, 1020 00:48:47.560 --> 00:48:49.639 "fantastic. That was great. That was great. 1021 00:48:49.640 --> 00:48:50.959 Okay, next shot's over here." 1022 00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:53.119 And I said, "excuse me, Mr. Spielberg" 1023 00:48:53.120 --> 00:48:54.239 and he went, "hm?" 1024 00:48:54.240 --> 00:48:55.999 And this was the first time he was even aware 1025 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.159 I was on the set, coordinating. 1026 00:48:58.160 --> 00:49:00.999 Um, I said, "I think that was a miss." 1027 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:02.399 "No, I think it was a hit." 1028 00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:04.759 And I said, "i'm-I'm pretty sure it was a miss." 1029 00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.159 You know, we have to stand up and be counted, you know, 1030 00:49:07.160 --> 00:49:09.239 so anyway. Okay, we do it again, 1031 00:49:09.240 --> 00:49:11.599 and he's a bit sarcastic, and we did it again. 1032 00:49:11.600 --> 00:49:13.199 So you cut to nearly five days later, 1033 00:49:13.200 --> 00:49:15.759 because in those days, they'd send the rushes back to england, 1034 00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:18.319 they'd process and have a look at them and they'd send them back, 1035 00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:20.799 and then they set up a projector in the lobby of the hotel. 1036 00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:22.279 And sure enough, the shot comes up, 1037 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.239 and I'm about three rows back from Spielberg. 1038 00:49:25.240 --> 00:49:26.959 And he watches it and you see the first one, 1039 00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:29.039 and he went, "you're absolutely right, Vic." 1040 00:49:29.040 --> 00:49:30.439 By now we're friends, you know. 1041 00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:32.599 "You're absolutely right, Vic. Yeah, it was a miss." 1042 00:49:32.600 --> 00:49:34.239 And the next one comes, it's on the money. 1043 00:49:34.240 --> 00:49:36.239 Cool. I couldn't do anything wrong after that. 1044 00:49:36.240 --> 00:49:39.359 So that was... I-I'd earned my spurs. 1045 00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:41.919 So that was the start of-of-of Indiana Jones, 1046 00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:44.239 which was, to me was fabulous. 1047 00:49:44.240 --> 00:49:47.280 [♪♪♪] 1048 00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:09.319 -[Mutters] Indiana Jones and the temple of doom... yeah. 1049 00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:12.239 I'm on-on there because I'm doubling the arch villain. 1050 00:50:12.240 --> 00:50:13.359 -Frank is wonderful, 1051 00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:15.119 wonderful sense of humor. 1052 00:50:15.120 --> 00:50:17.479 And I had him doubling mola ram 1053 00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:19.759 on Indiana Jones and the temple of doom. 1054 00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:22.799 I've fought with him on that hanging stair at the bridge 1055 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.519 where, when the bridge is broken and men are hanging on it. 1056 00:50:25.520 --> 00:50:27.599 -Up the top one is Vic and I, obviously. 1057 00:50:27.600 --> 00:50:30.799 But on the 30-foot ones is Harrison and I. 1058 00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:33.079 I've always got on well with Harrison. 1059 00:50:33.080 --> 00:50:35.559 I've worked on about four or five films with him. 1060 00:50:35.560 --> 00:50:36.959 I've been out to dinner with him. 1061 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:38.279 A lovely man. 1062 00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:39.959 And Harrison said, 1063 00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:41.999 "I don't want to fight with him" - the actor. 1064 00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:44.679 He said he may not know where to miss and all that. 1065 00:50:44.680 --> 00:50:46.959 So I let frank up there. 1066 00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:48.959 Vic said to me, "you get a thousand pounds 1067 00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:50.359 for shaving your hair." 1068 00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:53.199 I said, "Vic, you can do it all day long." [Laughs] 1069 00:50:53.200 --> 00:50:54.879 Every week. 1070 00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:57.079 [♪♪♪] [Harrison grunts] 1071 00:50:57.080 --> 00:50:58.999 [Vic Armstrong] The bridge has broken, 1072 00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:00.759 men are hanging on it, and I'm fighting him, 1073 00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:04.639 and this guy's falling past us down into the crocodiles below. 1074 00:51:04.640 --> 00:51:07.759 And I'm hanging on the... On the ladder at the bottom, 1075 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:10.279 nearly gone and-and frank had to fall off the top, 1076 00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:11.359 one of the rungs. 1077 00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:13.359 He's trying to escape one of the rungs breaking. 1078 00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:15.679 He falls, goes past me, and then grabs a rung below me 1079 00:51:15.680 --> 00:51:17.279 and we carry on fighting. 1080 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:19.999 [Kate groaning] 1081 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.000 [Mola grunting] 1082 00:51:23.640 --> 00:51:30.679 -Like an idiot, I put a-a small harness on here. 1083 00:51:30.680 --> 00:51:34.959 And I hooked on there instead of having it up here. 1084 00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:40.320 So, as I let go, the weight of the body, I turned over. 1085 00:51:42.600 --> 00:51:45.999 -And he came by me and bashed off me and flew past. 1086 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:48.319 And I thought his cable had snapped because he went so fast 1087 00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:50.239 and a bit further than we'd measured. 1088 00:51:50.240 --> 00:51:51.319 -It was so quick. 1089 00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:55.399 And the next minute, Vic is... has grabbed me 1090 00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:58.560 because he thinks I'm going, and we're fighting. 1091 00:52:01.240 --> 00:52:03.359 -"For Christ's sake, frank, are you all right?" 1092 00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:05.279 Bang. "Christ, I thought we'd lost you there." 1093 00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:06.799 Bang! And he kicks me in the nuts. 1094 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:07.959 And I bash him on the 1095 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:10.439 [Vic and frank grunting] 1096 00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:12.319 [Kate capshaw] [Shouting] No. 1097 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.879 -I think, to be honest, Vic was more relieved than me 1098 00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:17.279 that I'd stopped. 1099 00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:19.599 -And it was so funny, I was worried to death about him 1100 00:52:19.600 --> 00:52:21.599 and punching the shit out of him at the same time. 1101 00:52:21.600 --> 00:52:23.119 [Laughing] 1102 00:52:23.120 --> 00:52:24.680 -[Yelling] [Indistinct]. 1103 00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:27.360 [Mola gasps] 1104 00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:32.520 [Mola screaming] 1105 00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:37.919 -They were just tremendous. 1106 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:41.519 It was very, very satisfying films to work on. 1107 00:52:41.520 --> 00:52:43.239 They're dirty. They're hard work. 1108 00:52:43.240 --> 00:52:44.839 Dirty in as much as they're dusty 1109 00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:46.999 and always in funny situations. 1110 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:49.559 And they're hard work, very exacting director, 1111 00:52:49.560 --> 00:52:52.119 but we gave him what he wanted. 1112 00:52:52.120 --> 00:52:55.359 And the sense of gratification was great from him 1113 00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:56.399 and from us, you know. 1114 00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:58.119 It was very, very satisfying films, 1115 00:52:58.120 --> 00:52:59.399 and that's what I like doing. 1116 00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:04.999 So those first three will be forever in my happy memory bank. 1117 00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.279 [Laughs] 1118 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:09.679 [Ray Winstone] Now, Vic might have been creating heroes, 1119 00:53:09.680 --> 00:53:11.879 but the others were getting to work with theirs. 1120 00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:13.559 -Rickson, I said outside. 1121 00:53:13.560 --> 00:53:14.599 Now come on! 1122 00:53:14.600 --> 00:53:15.919 -That cuts it. 1123 00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:17.360 [Punches thrown] 1124 00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:21.279 - [John grunts] - [Glass clanks] 1125 00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:23.319 [Ray Winstone] When John Wayne came over to London 1126 00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:24.839 to shoot his action film brannigan, 1127 00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:27.719 he had the cream of the crop to choose from, 1128 00:53:27.720 --> 00:53:30.599 and frank henson couldn't believe his luck. 1129 00:53:30.600 --> 00:53:32.039 -I love John Wayne. 1130 00:53:32.040 --> 00:53:35.359 And the first time I did a stunt with him, he bollocked me. 1131 00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:38.839 [Car tires screeching] 1132 00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:41.519 Peter said to me, "your first job 1133 00:53:41.520 --> 00:53:43.839 is driving this e-type at him." 1134 00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:48.239 And Dougie hickox, the director, taught me terribly to me, 1135 00:53:48.240 --> 00:53:50.279 said, "frank, when you come in, 1136 00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:54.279 swing 'round like this, and then come in." 1137 00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:55.999 So eeeehhh. 1138 00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.119 [♪♪♪] 1139 00:53:58.120 --> 00:54:01.080 [Car engine speeding] 1140 00:54:02.160 --> 00:54:04.599 Wayne went, "that looked fucking terrible." 1141 00:54:04.600 --> 00:54:06.119 I said, "what do you want?" 1142 00:54:06.120 --> 00:54:07.759 Before I started, I loved him all my life. 1143 00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:09.359 He said to come straight through there. 1144 00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:10.879 I said "I'm doing 70 miles an hour." 1145 00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:12.439 "You come straight through there." 1146 00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:13.959 Go back in the car, "fucking nutter." 1147 00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:15.000 [Laughs] 1148 00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:19.160 [Car engine speeding] 1149 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:26.720 [Rapid gunshots] 1150 00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:28.999 Got out, he went... 1151 00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:31.959 [punch thrown] Hit me, he went, "that wasn't bad, kid." 1152 00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:34.359 After that we got on brilliant together. 1153 00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:36.439 What he was worried about, like I understand now, 1154 00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:39.119 he wasn't sure which side I was going to come. 1155 00:54:39.120 --> 00:54:40.679 Where he's shooting at me, 1156 00:54:40.680 --> 00:54:44.399 and as I go past is more shooting. 1157 00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:48.559 So that was my first [laughs] tie-tie-up with Wayne. 1158 00:54:48.560 --> 00:54:50.519 [Ray Winstone] Having proven himself to Wayne, 1159 00:54:50.520 --> 00:54:52.999 and stunt coordinator Peter Bryant, 1160 00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:55.119 frank was charged with pulling off 1161 00:54:55.120 --> 00:54:57.919 the film's most memorable stunt, 1162 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.439 but things didn't go entirely to plan. 1163 00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:01.479 -So, we go up there, 1164 00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:02.959 and they're explaining their point 1165 00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:04.839 where the camera's going to be. 1166 00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:07.599 And I said in front of all these police and everyone else, 1167 00:55:07.600 --> 00:55:10.799 "you look", I said, "we've already been on the bridge, 1168 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:12.279 and I've stood on it, 1169 00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:15.439 and we can get about an angle like that." 1170 00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:18.559 I said, "when I come over your bridge," 1171 00:55:18.560 --> 00:55:22.279 I said, 'hopefully I can get up to about 40, 50 miles an hour. 1172 00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.119 And that will take me way over. 1173 00:55:24.120 --> 00:55:27.719 And I could land about here and come down the other side." 1174 00:55:27.720 --> 00:55:30.679 I said, "and, um, there should be no damage 1175 00:55:30.680 --> 00:55:32.279 to your bridge whatsoever." 1176 00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:35.799 So they went outside, and they came back. 1177 00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:37.919 They said, "we don't particularly mind 1178 00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:39.079 if you kill yourself, 1179 00:55:39.080 --> 00:55:41.079 but you're not damaging the bridge. 1180 00:55:41.080 --> 00:55:43.599 So, the answer's no." [Laughs] 1181 00:55:43.600 --> 00:55:46.999 We closed all the bridge and what they did allow us, 1182 00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:50.519 made a ramp about six or eight feet. 1183 00:55:50.520 --> 00:55:53.439 And I jumped the car over the ramp 1184 00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:57.039 then lifted the bri... The car up here. 1185 00:55:57.040 --> 00:55:59.439 And I drove it down the other side. 1186 00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:02.480 [♪♪♪] 1187 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:10.319 And I jumped it onto the skip, 1188 00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:11.879 and then Wayne gets out of the car 1189 00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:13.879 and bang, and so forth. 1190 00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:15.639 [♪♪♪] 1191 00:56:15.640 --> 00:56:17.559 When they put those three pieces together, 1192 00:56:17.560 --> 00:56:18.599 when you see the film, 1193 00:56:18.600 --> 00:56:21.119 it looks like you've jumped the bridge. 1194 00:56:21.120 --> 00:56:22.359 But, you know, you can't... 1195 00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:23.759 There's no point in telling lies, 1196 00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:25.679 "I jumped tower bridge," because I didn't. 1197 00:56:25.680 --> 00:56:29.239 But, um, it's how it was all, and also you couldn't, 1198 00:56:29.240 --> 00:56:30.359 because in Wayne's book, 1199 00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:32.119 he said, "frank, next time we'll jump it." 1200 00:56:32.120 --> 00:56:34.999 So, you-you couldn't lie if you wanted to lie. 1201 00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:37.719 And the last time I ever met him I found out it was the same. 1202 00:56:37.720 --> 00:56:40.399 I had bright green trousers on. 1203 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:41.599 All things had changed. 1204 00:56:41.600 --> 00:56:43.719 No one wore evening dress and all that. 1205 00:56:43.720 --> 00:56:46.239 He went, "fucking hell, is this in Saint Patrick's night?" 1206 00:56:46.240 --> 00:56:48.399 [Laughs] 1207 00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:51.719 So that was my... but I had lots of conversations with him 1208 00:56:51.720 --> 00:56:55.079 in between, and, um, some, once again, you could tell, 1209 00:56:55.080 --> 00:56:57.519 and some you can't, you know. But... 1210 00:56:57.520 --> 00:56:59.079 And so I met my hero, as it were. 1211 00:56:59.080 --> 00:57:01.159 [Ray Winstone] While some of [indistinct] guys 1212 00:57:01.160 --> 00:57:03.639 were fulfilling their action dreams, 1213 00:57:03.640 --> 00:57:07.159 rocky found himself taking a romantic lead. 1214 00:57:07.160 --> 00:57:09.600 -Irene papas, [indistinct] And navarone. 1215 00:57:11.520 --> 00:57:12.560 Remember that? 1216 00:57:15.640 --> 00:57:16.680 -Spiro. 1217 00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:19.800 [Slap thrown] 1218 00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:22.359 -What did you do that for? 1219 00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:24.559 -To remind you to write letters occasionally. 1220 00:57:24.560 --> 00:57:26.559 [Men laugh] - I was sitting there. 1221 00:57:26.560 --> 00:57:29.119 I was sitting on, sitting in the desert with her, 1222 00:57:29.120 --> 00:57:31.199 and they were shooting this beautiful film 1223 00:57:31.200 --> 00:57:33.319 of her and this baby, 1224 00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:36.959 whose mother and father have been shot or something. 1225 00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:40.479 And she was there, comfort-comforting this baby. 1226 00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:42.359 Telling him how wonderful, and don't worry, 1227 00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:43.879 she'll look after him and all that. 1228 00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:45.559 And tears were running down her eyes 1229 00:57:45.560 --> 00:57:48.239 and tears were running down my eyes. 1230 00:57:48.240 --> 00:57:49.759 And I thought she was marvelous. 1231 00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:51.479 So when she got up and walked away, 1232 00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:54.679 I said, "Irene, I cried. You were fabulous." 1233 00:57:54.680 --> 00:57:57.799 She went, "what?" I said, "you made me cry with that scene." 1234 00:57:57.800 --> 00:57:59.959 "Oh, thank you. Your name, is it rocky?" 1235 00:57:59.960 --> 00:58:02.559 She went, "oh, rocky, thank you." "All right." 1236 00:58:02.560 --> 00:58:03.999 Cut. 1237 00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:07.759 A week later, we were on a square with our horses 1238 00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:11.319 and all the stuff on, and guns and all that, 1239 00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:14.479 and she's over there, sitting in a chair 1240 00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:17.479 and I'm on my horse and she's going like that, 1241 00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:18.800 and I've gone like that. 1242 00:58:20.720 --> 00:58:26.879 And ten minutes later, I get a tap on my shoulder. 1243 00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:29.919 Yes, it's her assistant with a little note, 1244 00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:33.439 "yes. Would you care to have dinner with me this evening?" 1245 00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:38.080 [Laughs] So I went and had dinner. 1246 00:58:40.040 --> 00:58:41.119 Cut. 1247 00:58:41.120 --> 00:58:42.999 -And because we were reasonably small, 1248 00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:44.679 there were only about 70 of us then 1249 00:58:44.680 --> 00:58:46.199 to distribute out amongst the good, 1250 00:58:46.200 --> 00:58:48.119 you were always working. You were always busy. 1251 00:58:48.120 --> 00:58:50.359 Nobody thought about it. They just gave you a contract. 1252 00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:52.559 And these huge checks would arrive through the thing 1253 00:58:52.560 --> 00:58:54.159 and they-they'd dent the doormat. 1254 00:58:54.160 --> 00:58:56.199 They were enormous checks, you know. 1255 00:58:56.200 --> 00:58:58.079 Great stuff, just buy another Harley. 1256 00:58:58.080 --> 00:59:01.120 [♪♪♪] 1257 00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:09.479 -When I was potless, I had no confidence. 1258 00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:14.560 Once I didn't do too badly, I gained confidence. 1259 00:59:21.120 --> 00:59:22.799 -You're friends but you're-you're... 1260 00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:24.199 Huge competitors, you know. 1261 00:59:24.200 --> 00:59:27.239 It's an individual business and, uh, 1262 00:59:27.240 --> 00:59:29.119 and it's a freelance business, 1263 00:59:29.120 --> 00:59:30.719 and you don't work, you don't eat, 1264 00:59:30.720 --> 00:59:33.439 your family doesn't eat, so it is... it's cutthroat. 1265 00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:35.479 -There's a lot of backstabbing. 1266 00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:38.719 There's a lot, a lot, to get the job. 1267 00:59:38.720 --> 00:59:40.279 -You're all fighting for the same jobs 1268 00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:41.599 no matter what size you are. 1269 00:59:41.600 --> 00:59:44.439 It's not because you're 6'6", and he's 5'6", 1270 00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:46.959 you're not going for the same jobs. 1271 00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:48.039 You are. 1272 00:59:48.040 --> 00:59:49.839 So therefore, it goes down to your ability 1273 00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:51.479 to talk somebody into employing you 1274 00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:53.719 or convincing them that they should employ you 1275 00:59:53.720 --> 00:59:55.039 over and above anybody else. 1276 00:59:55.040 --> 00:59:56.799 -I'm better than him. 1277 00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:58.319 He'll do it. I'll do it. 1278 00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:00.199 No, he, i-oh, no. Don't use him. 1279 01:00:00.200 --> 01:00:02.119 He's-he's not reliable. 1280 01:00:02.120 --> 01:00:03.559 -Yeah. You'd get up in the morning 1281 01:00:03.560 --> 01:00:04.999 and everybody else in the business 1282 01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:06.759 is your competitor if you're not working. 1283 01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:08.519 [Ray Winstone] No matter how you look at it, 1284 01:00:08.520 --> 01:00:10.399 in the whole history of British stunt work, 1285 01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:13.079 there's really only one name that sums up the guts, 1286 01:00:13.080 --> 01:00:15.399 ingenuity, outlandishness, 1287 01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:18.839 the sheer swagger of our homegrown term. 1288 01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:20.119 And that name is 1289 01:00:20.120 --> 01:00:21.160 -bond. 1290 01:00:22.720 --> 01:00:23.799 James Bond. 1291 01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:26.399 -Everyone wants to work on a 007 film. 1292 01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:29.399 I think all performers would love to work on a 007 film. 1293 01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:33.919 -007 is the epitome of a stunt film 1294 01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:35.079 for an act-for a stuntman. 1295 01:00:35.080 --> 01:00:36.359 I've gone all over the world. 1296 01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:38.359 I worked in 70 countries. 1297 01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:40.719 Knowing you got a 007, "oh, my god," 1298 01:00:40.720 --> 01:00:42.439 they'd like genuflect in front of you. 1299 01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:44.639 You know, it is the holy grail of stunts. 1300 01:00:44.640 --> 01:00:47.519 -It's the one film in this country 1301 01:00:47.520 --> 01:00:49.719 that says stuntman, 1302 01:00:49.720 --> 01:00:51.359 you know, right back from the beginning. 1303 01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:52.639 You know, when I used to go down, 1304 01:00:52.640 --> 01:00:54.559 I was a kid, it was always stuntmen. 1305 01:00:54.560 --> 01:00:58.519 -In the old days, um, meant weeks of work 1306 01:00:58.520 --> 01:01:01.359 prepping, because there was no postproduction. 1307 01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:04.919 So everything was done in camera. And 1308 01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:07.279 we prepped and we prepped, and we prepped to move, 1309 01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:08.959 and we rehearsed up in the band room 1310 01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:10.279 at pinewood. 1311 01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:12.639 We used to have trampolines and various things up there. 1312 01:01:12.640 --> 01:01:15.319 And-and we'd work out what the gags were, whether it was... 1313 01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:16.679 Bob, I mean, Bob Simmons, 1314 01:01:16.680 --> 01:01:18.479 who was the coordinator on those early ones 1315 01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:20.839 that we used to work on. And 1316 01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:23.239 Bob would just say, "oh, yeah, that's right. 1317 01:01:23.240 --> 01:01:24.919 Love it. Yeah, that'll work. Yeah. 1318 01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:26.759 Go on. Carry on. Do your thing." 1319 01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:28.239 And alf joined to be teaching us 1320 01:01:28.240 --> 01:01:31.679 how to do things a little bit more seriously, and all that, 1321 01:01:31.680 --> 01:01:34.199 and Bob would be just coming up and supervising. 1322 01:01:34.200 --> 01:01:38.279 And-and, uh, if there was a bit of sword work, 1323 01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:40.319 Bob Anderson would be there teaching us, 1324 01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:41.559 you know, a little bit of that. 1325 01:01:41.560 --> 01:01:43.599 And we just spent weeks there. And they were great. 1326 01:01:43.600 --> 01:01:45.199 I mean, they were just fantastic. 1327 01:01:45.200 --> 01:01:50.199 They were, um, uh-uh, just endless weeks of rehearsal 1328 01:01:50.200 --> 01:01:51.279 to get it right. 1329 01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:53.479 But woe betide, if you got on there, 1330 01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:55.479 and then you didn't get it right because you... 1331 01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:57.879 They'd paid for a few weeks of rehearsal time, 1332 01:01:57.880 --> 01:01:59.999 and you better make damn sure you're actually ready 1333 01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:02.639 to put it on-on camera. 1334 01:02:02.640 --> 01:02:03.959 -[Indistinct] Done the fall. 1335 01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:06.559 [Bomb exploding] 1336 01:02:06.560 --> 01:02:07.879 [Water splashing] 1337 01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:10.959 All the submarines, I think I got killed about seven times 1338 01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:13.839 in different outfits in the same scene on that. 1339 01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:15.759 -I did a lot of stuff for Roger in India, 1340 01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:18.679 running through the jungle, swinging on the rope. 1341 01:02:18.680 --> 01:02:21.720 [Rapid gunshots] 1342 01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:24.599 [Man] Aw. 1343 01:02:24.600 --> 01:02:27.599 -Um, we jumped a three... Two-Wheeler, 1344 01:02:27.600 --> 01:02:29.639 three-Wheeler over a camel. 1345 01:02:29.640 --> 01:02:31.040 [Roger] Hang on, James. 1346 01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:34.720 [Car engine speeding] 1347 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:39.159 -I was in the back of that 1348 01:02:39.160 --> 01:02:42.639 doubling for Roger, running through the streets for him; 1349 01:02:42.640 --> 01:02:44.439 there was lots of running around 1350 01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:45.879 because he couldn't run very well. 1351 01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:48.279 So I did most of that running around. 1352 01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:50.040 As it happened, the phone went. 1353 01:02:51.240 --> 01:02:55.039 Vic Armstrong, Barbados, Bahamas: 1354 01:02:55.040 --> 01:02:57.879 "Rocky, yeah, can you fly out tomorrow?" 1355 01:02:57.880 --> 01:02:58.919 "Where to?" 1356 01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:00.239 "To The Bahamas." 1357 01:03:00.240 --> 01:03:02.079 And I thought, "well, funny enough, 1358 01:03:02.080 --> 01:03:03.199 I've just been sacked." 1359 01:03:03.200 --> 01:03:05.119 "So, what kind? 1360 01:03:05.120 --> 01:03:07.679 What for?" He said, "you're doubling for Sean." 1361 01:03:07.680 --> 01:03:09.039 And there was a scene 1362 01:03:09.040 --> 01:03:11.960 where he comes crashing through the window 1363 01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:15.639 [wooded window clattering] 1364 01:03:15.640 --> 01:03:17.319 And he strangles me 'round the neck 1365 01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:19.759 -♪ [indistinct] ♪ 1366 01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:22.879 ♪ I know there's danger there ♪ 1367 01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:23.919 -With a rope. 1368 01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:25.759 I think I got killed five times. 1369 01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:28.239 In the op... It's the opening title sequences 1370 01:03:28.240 --> 01:03:29.319 of never say never. 1371 01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:31.159 I think I got killed five times. 1372 01:03:31.160 --> 01:03:33.039 -♪ I know there's danger there ♪ 1373 01:03:33.040 --> 01:03:35.119 [Rapid gunshots] 1374 01:03:35.120 --> 01:03:36.599 - [Punch thrown] - [Man grunts] 1375 01:03:36.600 --> 01:03:38.080 [Man thuds] 1376 01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:41.719 -Doubling for Roger, you know, 1377 01:03:41.720 --> 01:03:46.799 running along the route up, the train top on octopussy, 1378 01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:50.199 and ducking under Bridges and diving over pipes. 1379 01:03:50.200 --> 01:03:51.239 [Gunshot] 1380 01:03:51.240 --> 01:03:53.679 [Roger grunts] - They were such fun 1381 01:03:53.680 --> 01:03:55.399 because Roger Moore was just a giggle. 1382 01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:58.199 I never, I didn't... I worked on one of the Connery ones 1383 01:03:58.200 --> 01:04:00.079 as an armorer, but not as a stuntman, 1384 01:04:00.080 --> 01:04:03.799 but you know, with-with-with Roger Moore, he was a giggle. 1385 01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:07.679 I mean, he would just, he-he he was a practical joker. 1386 01:04:07.680 --> 01:04:10.279 And, uh, it was fun. 1387 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:12.359 Weeks and weeks and weeks of work, 1388 01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:15.079 and then we'd be on the big set for the exp... you know, 1389 01:04:15.080 --> 01:04:17.759 the villain's lair exploding and all that kind of stuff, 1390 01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:19.159 and when we did the, 1391 01:04:19.160 --> 01:04:21.359 we did the, uh, the submarine set, 1392 01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:23.839 which is what the 007 stage was built for, 1393 01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:25.680 for the spy who loved me. 1394 01:04:27.600 --> 01:04:30.640 [Rapid gunshots] 1395 01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:36.239 And then, some of us are doing 1396 01:04:36.240 --> 01:04:38.399 falls into the water, or things, 1397 01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:40.479 and-and rocky did a gag on that 1398 01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:44.079 where he drives a mini moke off the edge into the water. 1399 01:04:44.080 --> 01:04:45.879 [Car exploded] 1400 01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:47.759 - [Man screams] - [Water splashing] 1401 01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:49.839 -You know, it was freezing cold. 1402 01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:52.199 I did one fall into the water 1403 01:04:52.200 --> 01:04:53.999 and [indistinct] did a stair fall, 1404 01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:56.479 and all that kind of stuff, but, you know, it was all 1405 01:04:56.480 --> 01:05:00.319 part of the game. They were just such fun. 1406 01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:02.839 -And now, you know, my street cred's really gone up. 1407 01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:03.879 I've done two bonds now, 1408 01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:06.159 doubling for the lead in... in one. 1409 01:05:06.160 --> 01:05:08.920 [Crash] 1410 01:05:11.080 --> 01:05:13.719 And then, pretty soon after that, live and let die, 1411 01:05:13.720 --> 01:05:15.239 doubled Roger on the fight 1412 01:05:15.240 --> 01:05:17.400 with the [indistinct] in the shark pen. 1413 01:05:21.200 --> 01:05:22.919 [Hinges creaking] 1414 01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:23.959 -Hold up. 1415 01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:25.199 - [Kick thrown] - [Man grunts] 1416 01:05:25.200 --> 01:05:26.639 [Body thuds] 1417 01:05:26.640 --> 01:05:28.959 -Now, I got three under my belt and suddenly, 1418 01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:31.759 you start to get into the premier league, you know. 1419 01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:34.119 And there weren't many stunt people around in those days, 1420 01:05:34.120 --> 01:05:37.439 and I was one of the few young ones. 1421 01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:38.999 Uh, the youngest, 1422 01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:40.959 I think rocky's a little bit older than me, 1423 01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:43.439 but I'd started just before him. 1424 01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:47.439 Rocky, me, Mark boyle, Martin grace, 1425 01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:49.159 Tim condren, bill Weston, 1426 01:05:49.160 --> 01:05:51.279 we were the sort of newcomers in those days, 1427 01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:55.599 and, uh, and I had three bonds under my belt, you know, 1428 01:05:55.600 --> 01:05:57.839 plus doubling for the lead in two of them, so, 1429 01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:00.439 you know, you have street credit and obviously, you work it 1430 01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:02.039 and sell it as much as you can, you know. 1431 01:06:02.040 --> 01:06:04.159 [Laughs] 1432 01:06:04.160 --> 01:06:08.679 -Octopussy, I had a part in that as... as, 1433 01:06:08.680 --> 01:06:11.239 um, Steven berkoff's driver. 1434 01:06:11.240 --> 01:06:13.439 [Car engine revving] 1435 01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:17.199 His character was called orlov, and I was orlov's driver. 1436 01:06:17.200 --> 01:06:21.079 And I get shot by bond and do a stair fall. 1437 01:06:21.080 --> 01:06:24.120 [Rapid gunshots] 1438 01:06:27.600 --> 01:06:30.599 -It was a great, great crew to be part of, 1439 01:06:30.600 --> 01:06:34.559 and then to be asked to be the stunt coordinator, 1440 01:06:34.560 --> 01:06:36.919 um, was... was wonderful. 1441 01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:41.839 License to kill, I, um, I-I had an American stunt guy, 1442 01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:43.479 who was... who brought all his equipment 1443 01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:46.799 and he was going to do the big fire burn at the end, 1444 01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:51.439 um, but I was doubling Sanchez on the back of the truck 1445 01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:55.279 and jumping off, uh, uh, off the trucks and things like that. 1446 01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:57.159 [♪♪♪] 1447 01:06:57.160 --> 01:06:58.199 [Punch thrown] 1448 01:06:58.200 --> 01:06:59.240 [Man groans] 1449 01:07:04.120 --> 01:07:06.199 [Kick thrown] 1450 01:07:06.200 --> 01:07:07.480 [Man groans] 1451 01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:13.799 [Man grunts] 1452 01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:17.239 -So, I was dressed as him and I was a good double for him. 1453 01:07:17.240 --> 01:07:19.959 So I was coordinating, and a double for Sanchez. 1454 01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:22.999 And when... the day before we were about to do... 1455 01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:26.639 We turned the truck down and it crashed down the rocks, 1456 01:07:26.640 --> 01:07:29.199 and the day before we were about to do the big burn 1457 01:07:29.200 --> 01:07:32.039 he said, came to me, he said, "if I leave tonight, 1458 01:07:32.040 --> 01:07:36.279 I can get a job for two months, but I have to leave tonight." 1459 01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:37.319 I said, "okay." 1460 01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:39.879 Well, you know, I know what it's like 1461 01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:41.359 when you've got one day's work 1462 01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:45.199 and... and it stops you doing a-a-a few weeks' work. 1463 01:07:45.200 --> 01:07:47.439 So, I said, "okay. You go ahead, leave this stuff here. 1464 01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:48.599 I'll do it myself." 1465 01:07:48.600 --> 01:07:51.479 Fire jobs are very dangerous, um, you know. 1466 01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:53.159 You can't run away from fire. 1467 01:07:53.160 --> 01:07:55.799 You-you have to rehearse, 1468 01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:58.359 let them know exactly what you're gonna do, 1469 01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:01.159 and then when you've had enough, you lay flat on the phone... 1470 01:08:01.160 --> 01:08:03.839 On the floor, with your arms outstretched, 1471 01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:05.599 and you don't move, um, 1472 01:08:05.600 --> 01:08:07.679 because they can't catch you if you run. 1473 01:08:07.680 --> 01:08:11.039 Um, so you may be burning but you lay still 1474 01:08:11.040 --> 01:08:14.239 while you're burning, and then they come and put you out. 1475 01:08:14.240 --> 01:08:17.159 So, this was a-a tricky job because, uh, 1476 01:08:17.160 --> 01:08:18.799 I was going to be on fire 1477 01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:21.439 for I thought about 30 seconds, which is long. 1478 01:08:21.440 --> 01:08:22.599 It's a long time. 1479 01:08:22.600 --> 01:08:24.799 So, I was on three minutes of air. 1480 01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:27.719 So you get a little air bottle you put down in your costume 1481 01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:29.199 and you have a tube going up 1482 01:08:29.200 --> 01:08:32.119 underneath the mask into your mouth. 1483 01:08:32.120 --> 01:08:35.279 So I figured that it'll take me a minute and a half 1484 01:08:35.280 --> 01:08:41.159 to get onto the set, um, and probably a-a minute for them 1485 01:08:41.160 --> 01:08:44.839 to do the wig and... 1486 01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:49.239 Hairdressers... they want every, you know, get it dead right. 1487 01:08:49.240 --> 01:08:50.439 And so I said, 1488 01:08:50.440 --> 01:08:54.279 "I'm going to have probably, um, two and a half minutes 1489 01:08:54.280 --> 01:08:56.599 before I-I-I do the job." 1490 01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:59.719 And just 130 seconds at the end of it, 1491 01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:01.959 to be, to be got out. 1492 01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:03.399 So, I got on the set, I got... 1493 01:09:03.400 --> 01:09:04.959 [clears throat] A minute and a half, 1494 01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:07.639 they're messing around, so they then gel me up, 1495 01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:12.999 and they say, "okay, stand by," and I'm on there [inhaling] 1496 01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:15.959 I figured I'd have done about a minute and a half, 1497 01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:17.239 just over [clears throat] 1498 01:09:17.240 --> 01:09:21.599 And he said, "turn over, and... Hold on, hold on, hold it. 1499 01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:22.799 Problem with the camera." 1500 01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:25.759 So, i'm, [inhaling] "Sure. Hurry up, hurry up." 1501 01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:27.319 Timothy Dalton sitting opposite me, 1502 01:09:27.320 --> 01:09:29.479 and he's got to pretend to light me 1503 01:09:29.480 --> 01:09:32.279 and then run when I catch on fire. 1504 01:09:32.280 --> 01:09:34.279 So, we're standing now, and I'm going [inhales] 1505 01:09:34.280 --> 01:09:37.759 "Come on, come on," and he said, "okay, and action." 1506 01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:40.599 [Bond breathing heavily] 1507 01:09:40.600 --> 01:09:42.519 -You could have had everything. 1508 01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:44.160 -Don't you want to know why? 1509 01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:53.240 -He set me alight, boof, I go up. 1510 01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:05.160 And as I go up, I go, [Blowing] Nothing. 1511 01:10:06.440 --> 01:10:08.240 So I think, "don't panic." 1512 01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:14.399 It was like sucking up treacle. 1513 01:10:14.400 --> 01:10:16.719 It was like [inhaling] 1514 01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:19.279 "See, if you can just blow the tube, clear the tube..." 1515 01:10:19.280 --> 01:10:22.199 so I blew the tube, and [inhales] I had air. 1516 01:10:22.200 --> 01:10:24.080 So then I could do the job. 1517 01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:29.879 So I-I was on fire. I couldn't see anything. 1518 01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:31.759 But I'd rehearsed with the boys 1519 01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:33.199 I would fall down onto my knees, 1520 01:10:33.200 --> 01:10:36.600 get up, move forward, feel the side of the truck. 1521 01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:43.839 Then on the floor, 1522 01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:46.680 I had rocks so I could feel it with my feet. 1523 01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:51.960 And I could get in position and then fall over. 1524 01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:03.039 I was out of air. 1525 01:11:03.040 --> 01:11:05.440 When I hit the floor, I was out of air. 1526 01:11:07.720 --> 01:11:10.159 And then they were putting the flame bars up behind me, 1527 01:11:10.160 --> 01:11:12.280 and it was like the whole place blew up. 1528 01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:15.639 Lucky enough they came in very quickly, 1529 01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:17.999 and took the mask off and I was 1530 01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:20.359 but when I stood up and they're shaking my hand and saying, 1531 01:11:20.360 --> 01:11:21.679 "oh great, shot, wonderful." 1532 01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:23.559 That's when I was burning. 1533 01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:26.319 The hand... heat transference through the costume. 1534 01:11:26.320 --> 01:11:28.679 The first costume had gone, 1535 01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:32.479 the fire suit had been burned all the way up the back, 1536 01:11:32.480 --> 01:11:34.919 but the heat transference going through the costume 1537 01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:36.439 was suddenly on me, I was going 1538 01:11:36.440 --> 01:11:39.039 [groaning] 1539 01:11:39.040 --> 01:11:41.999 But I was... I was feeling the heat then. 1540 01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:47.719 -And the highlight of bond for me is being a ninja in 1966, 1541 01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:50.559 and it's 65 quid a week, to 1542 01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:53.279 the last bond I did, which is die another day, 1543 01:11:53.280 --> 01:11:55.399 I think the boat chase and all that stuff. 1544 01:11:55.400 --> 01:11:58.319 Spending, you know, 15-20 mill, whatever it was, 1545 01:11:58.320 --> 01:11:59.759 millions of dollars and pounds, 1546 01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:02.319 doing that boat chase, and it was all the other chases, 1547 01:12:02.320 --> 01:12:04.279 and coming up with ideas and directing it 1548 01:12:04.280 --> 01:12:06.359 and, you know, editing it with the editors 1549 01:12:06.360 --> 01:12:09.199 and inventing it. 1550 01:12:09.200 --> 01:12:10.799 I'm very, very proud of that, you know. 1551 01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:12.280 So they're the highlights. 1552 01:12:13.240 --> 01:12:16.039 -There... there are some hairy ones you do. But 1553 01:12:16.040 --> 01:12:19.999 you've given yourself to the industry. 1554 01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:21.919 -It scares the life out of you a lot of times. 1555 01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:23.759 You know, I did a hundred-foot fall for 1556 01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:25.560 Mark boyle on the final conflict. 1557 01:12:29.320 --> 01:12:32.519 [♪♪♪] 1558 01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:35.200 [Horse galloping] 1559 01:12:36.400 --> 01:12:39.440 [Horse neighing] 1560 01:12:45.400 --> 01:12:47.519 And you're standing there on the viaduct 1561 01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:49.559 looking down, and the airbag looks about this big, 1562 01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:51.719 and you know you're gonna be doing, you know, 1563 01:12:51.720 --> 01:12:53.519 70, 80 miles an hour when you hit it. 1564 01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:55.039 You better be in the right position, 1565 01:12:55.040 --> 01:12:56.919 but you also got to look like a falling body. 1566 01:12:56.920 --> 01:12:58.319 You can't be a swan diver you know 1567 01:12:58.320 --> 01:13:01.120 [horse neighing] 1568 01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:06.519 [Man screaming] 1569 01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:08.159 [Water splashing] 1570 01:13:08.160 --> 01:13:09.839 -I think, "Whoo, why am I doing this?" 1571 01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:11.039 [Laughs] 1572 01:13:11.040 --> 01:13:13.799 -If you've got any sense, there's fear. 1573 01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:16.959 The stuntmen, or so-called stuntmen who say, 1574 01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:18.919 "I'm fearless, I will do anything," 1575 01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:20.879 and they're not worried about it, 1576 01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:22.879 they're the ones that you want to stay away from, 1577 01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:24.039 and don't do stunts with. 1578 01:13:24.040 --> 01:13:26.759 You don't say, "I'm fearless." 1579 01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:28.279 You stand on the edge, you look at it, 1580 01:13:28.280 --> 01:13:30.159 you check everything out before you do it. 1581 01:13:30.160 --> 01:13:32.959 -Fear. Fear is... is the edge 1582 01:13:32.960 --> 01:13:35.359 that's... that's about judgment and everything. 1583 01:13:35.360 --> 01:13:39.719 And it's a question of-of channeling that, 1584 01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:41.799 to do that and not being overwhelmed by the fear. 1585 01:13:41.800 --> 01:13:43.999 Because the moment you get overwhelmed by the fear, 1586 01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:45.839 you're... you're... You're knackered. 1587 01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:47.839 Your sphincter is going half-crown, sixpence 1588 01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:50.799 every time any of us work if it's a tricky job. 1589 01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:53.399 But you... you over... You overcome that, 1590 01:13:53.400 --> 01:13:54.839 or you learn to say no. 1591 01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:57.119 But if you learn to say no more than two or three times, 1592 01:13:57.120 --> 01:13:58.799 when there's no good reason for it, 1593 01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:00.079 then you kind of go, 1594 01:14:00.080 --> 01:14:02.959 "mm. Okay, well, I don't think... I'd rather not be 1595 01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:05.679 put in the position where I've got him on the set 1596 01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:07.919 and he's gonna say no, so I won't use him." 1597 01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:11.039 And then they kind of 1598 01:14:11.040 --> 01:14:13.719 you don't see them very much after that. 1599 01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:15.439 But I wouldn't ridicule anybody 1600 01:14:15.440 --> 01:14:17.359 who admits that his time has come 1601 01:14:17.360 --> 01:14:20.039 or that his bottle is not what it was. 1602 01:14:20.040 --> 01:14:21.759 -You've got to be conscious of fear. 1603 01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:23.159 You got to be aware of it. 1604 01:14:23.160 --> 01:14:24.999 Otherwise, you're gonna hurt someone, 1605 01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:27.439 someone's going to get hurt badly. 1606 01:14:27.440 --> 01:14:31.079 -The most important thing is that you do it yourself. 1607 01:14:31.080 --> 01:14:32.319 Your... you're number one, 1608 01:14:32.320 --> 01:14:34.679 and you go out and you know the risks. 1609 01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:36.559 And the risks are, you're going to get hurt. 1610 01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:38.359 -The director's got his way, 1611 01:14:38.360 --> 01:14:39.879 he's got his film he wants to make. 1612 01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:41.479 He obviously wants to make the best film 1613 01:14:41.480 --> 01:14:42.759 that ever has been done. 1614 01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:44.719 He gets hold of the first assistant, 1615 01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:46.519 the art department, gets them all there. 1616 01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:47.759 He wants the greatest sets. 1617 01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:50.999 He wants to, you know, a-a stunt coordinator to come in, 1618 01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:54.399 and give him the best, most spectacular stunts. 1619 01:14:54.400 --> 01:14:58.399 You know, and... and... and which we all want to try and do. 1620 01:14:58.400 --> 01:15:00.559 But sometimes you have to, you know, 1621 01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:04.799 he has to bend a little way to-to make that work. 1622 01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:07.719 They've got to look after us like we want to look after them. 1623 01:15:07.720 --> 01:15:11.039 [Ray Winstone] One director, who, it could be said, 1624 01:15:11.040 --> 01:15:15.039 did not look after his crew, was this chap. Michael winner. 1625 01:15:15.040 --> 01:15:17.399 -I'm just wondering whether you're a little insensitive. 1626 01:15:17.400 --> 01:15:19.239 -I don't see anything wrong today 1627 01:15:19.240 --> 01:15:21.999 in showing what goes on in life. It was not done. 1628 01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:23.599 -But it isn't like that in life. 1629 01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:25.399 I'm sorry, Mr. Winner. - No, you don't know. 1630 01:15:25.400 --> 01:15:27.159 - It just isn't. - You've never been raped. 1631 01:15:27.160 --> 01:15:28.439 -Have you ever asked me? 1632 01:15:28.440 --> 01:15:30.559 -Well, [chuckles] Have you been raped? 1633 01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:32.439 -Never liked him. He was a horrible man. 1634 01:15:32.440 --> 01:15:35.239 -He got his stuff done but he used to terrorize people. 1635 01:15:35.240 --> 01:15:37.159 -Michael was probably the only one 1636 01:15:37.160 --> 01:15:39.679 that I diss in my book. [Laughs] 1637 01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:42.519 Yeah, I did have a run-in with him on the big sleep. 1638 01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:46.279 He was doing things which only a bully would do. 1639 01:15:46.280 --> 01:15:49.359 -I used to see him on the set. 1640 01:15:49.360 --> 01:15:53.679 And he used to have this 15-, 16-year-old, 1641 01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:56.439 learning to be in the industry boy. 1642 01:15:56.440 --> 01:15:57.799 And he used to click his fingers. 1643 01:15:57.800 --> 01:15:59.959 [Snaps fingers] That was for a script. 1644 01:15:59.960 --> 01:16:03.079 [Fingers snapping twice] That was for a cigar. 1645 01:16:03.080 --> 01:16:05.559 [Fingers snapping thrice] That's for a light. 1646 01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:07.959 And it was just pathetic to see it. 1647 01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:09.919 -I mean, a lot of people like him for what he is, 1648 01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:12.119 but he is... he was rude. 1649 01:16:12.120 --> 01:16:15.639 -I was doing a film called revolution 1650 01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:17.159 with Eddie Stacy, 1651 01:16:17.160 --> 01:16:19.519 and we came back from cornwall somewhere 1652 01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:21.480 or down in Plymouth; Plymouth. 1653 01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:26.079 And I had a phone call from Mark boyle to come down, 1654 01:16:26.080 --> 01:16:27.680 on a film called death wish 3. 1655 01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:30.000 -You're letting me loose? 1656 01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:33.279 -I'm letting you loose. 1657 01:16:33.280 --> 01:16:34.479 [Yelling] 1658 01:16:34.480 --> 01:16:37.520 [Rapid gunshots] 1659 01:16:40.240 --> 01:16:43.399 -And I'm on it for about two weeks, 1660 01:16:43.400 --> 01:16:46.319 I think; Odd days here and odd days there. 1661 01:16:46.320 --> 01:16:47.359 [♪♪♪] 1662 01:16:47.360 --> 01:16:48.759 And driving a motorbike, 1663 01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:51.199 I had to drive a motorbike, crashed it, as I said, 1664 01:16:51.200 --> 01:16:53.159 done bits and pieces. 1665 01:16:53.160 --> 01:16:56.999 Got shot, went down some stairs, got on fire. 1666 01:16:57.000 --> 01:16:59.879 All different gags that were in the film. 1667 01:16:59.880 --> 01:17:02.519 One shot where I come 1668 01:17:02.520 --> 01:17:04.839 tearing down a road and they put a wire across, 1669 01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:07.799 take me off the bike, the bike crashes and all that. 1670 01:17:07.800 --> 01:17:09.039 All that was going on. 1671 01:17:09.040 --> 01:17:13.839 And then I walk in one day, Michael winner and Mark boyle 1672 01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:17.279 standing there looking at this building to the left. 1673 01:17:17.280 --> 01:17:18.759 And I could hear Michael winner say, 1674 01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:20.599 "he'll do it. Rocky." 1675 01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:22.159 I went, "what?" He said, "yeah. 1676 01:17:22.160 --> 01:17:25.759 We want someone to come off of that building. 1677 01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:28.839 It's on fire, and we need someone to jump." 1678 01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:31.199 Yeah. 1679 01:17:31.200 --> 01:17:34.079 I'm... "sure. I'll have a go at it." 1680 01:17:34.080 --> 01:17:36.839 I didn't know that two people had turned it down 1681 01:17:36.840 --> 01:17:40.159 before... before I went up. 1682 01:17:40.160 --> 01:17:42.479 So, I go up with Mark boyle, up to the roof, 1683 01:17:42.480 --> 01:17:44.279 and look 'round, look down. 1684 01:17:44.280 --> 01:17:48.639 He said, "we'll put boxes down there, put a car, dig a hole, 1685 01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:50.999 put the boxes there. 1686 01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:55.279 We'll hide the camera behind the car. 1687 01:17:55.280 --> 01:17:56.799 You'll be over there. 1688 01:17:56.800 --> 01:17:58.079 Flames come up. 1689 01:17:58.080 --> 01:18:01.359 You'll come to the edge of the building. 1690 01:18:01.360 --> 01:18:04.599 And the flames go up. 1691 01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:07.919 As you jump, the flames go up behind you. 1692 01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:09.319 It engulfs." 1693 01:18:09.320 --> 01:18:10.359 "I mean, yeah. 1694 01:18:10.360 --> 01:18:11.559 Sounds fine to me." 1695 01:18:11.560 --> 01:18:15.239 -Winner's on one of his bad days, 1696 01:18:15.240 --> 01:18:18.199 uh, and rocky's up there. 1697 01:18:18.200 --> 01:18:20.919 Johnny Evans, special effects. 1698 01:18:20.920 --> 01:18:25.919 Um, and John always does what the director says. 1699 01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:29.079 If he says, turn up... Turn up the flames," 1700 01:18:29.080 --> 01:18:31.199 John would turn up the flames. 1701 01:18:31.200 --> 01:18:33.359 -I'm standing there, and I could hear, 1702 01:18:33.360 --> 01:18:34.400 "turn over." 1703 01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:38.000 I turn over. "Light the building." 1704 01:18:39.280 --> 01:18:40.520 They lit the building. 1705 01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:43.959 And before I knew where I was, 1706 01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:47.839 the building wasn't just a little bit aflame. 1707 01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:51.080 It was 17 feet, 20 feet high. 1708 01:18:52.240 --> 01:18:56.919 The flames just come up like a bomb; It blew up. 1709 01:18:56.920 --> 01:19:00.479 Winner flicked up the switch. I'll never forget it. 1710 01:19:00.480 --> 01:19:02.479 -And all I could hear was winner going, 1711 01:19:02.480 --> 01:19:04.719 "rocky, where are you? Rocky? 1712 01:19:04.720 --> 01:19:07.119 Come on, rocky. Where's rocky?" 1713 01:19:07.120 --> 01:19:08.879 I gotta... I gotta go. 1714 01:19:08.880 --> 01:19:12.519 I know... I know that over there where the boxes are. 1715 01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:13.559 They're over there. 1716 01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:16.079 If I can get through them flames, and drop, 1717 01:19:16.080 --> 01:19:17.919 I could land on the boxes, and hopefully, 1718 01:19:17.920 --> 01:19:19.759 everything will be alright. 1719 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:22.080 But it was very, very, very hot. 1720 01:19:25.240 --> 01:19:28.159 So I put my hands to my face, 1721 01:19:28.160 --> 01:19:29.400 I covered my face. 1722 01:19:32.320 --> 01:19:35.040 And I ran to the wall. 1723 01:19:52.440 --> 01:19:56.719 Coming down, I could see it was a foot away 1724 01:19:56.720 --> 01:19:58.560 the edge of the boxes. 1725 01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:03.840 [♪♪♪] 1726 01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:09.799 -If he hadn't of pushed off as hard 1727 01:20:09.800 --> 01:20:12.039 he'd have made the rig, totally. 1728 01:20:12.040 --> 01:20:13.159 But because he... 1729 01:20:13.160 --> 01:20:15.559 To get through the flame, he pushed that bit harder, 1730 01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:18.439 half of him went into the rig and the other half stayed out. 1731 01:20:18.440 --> 01:20:20.599 So he split himself in two. 1732 01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:21.999 And it didn't need to happen, 1733 01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:26.159 but it didn't need the flames put up any more. 1734 01:20:26.160 --> 01:20:27.759 [Rocky Taylor] I broke my pelvis, 1735 01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:30.239 my back, I have a burnt... 1736 01:20:30.240 --> 01:20:33.280 My face is all blistered, my hands are all blistered. 1737 01:20:39.320 --> 01:20:42.279 So, I was in traction for, uh, for three weeks 1738 01:20:42.280 --> 01:20:46.319 where they had to put a bolt through here, 1739 01:20:46.320 --> 01:20:48.199 and a wire coming up here. 1740 01:20:48.200 --> 01:20:52.039 And pull this bit every day, with weights on, 1741 01:20:52.040 --> 01:20:54.999 pulling it down, to get it level. 1742 01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:59.839 Mr. Winner then came into the hospital, 1743 01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:03.679 followed by five or six newspapers. 1744 01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:05.519 He laid next to me. 1745 01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:07.479 And he whispered in my ear, 1746 01:21:07.480 --> 01:21:09.839 "don't think you can sue me, rocky, 1747 01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:12.799 because you can't get away with it." 1748 01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:14.999 And he's got people taking photographs of him 1749 01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:17.239 lying next to me, cuddling me, saying 1750 01:21:17.240 --> 01:21:19.359 what a wonderful man I was and all that. 1751 01:21:19.360 --> 01:21:22.159 I'm now, you know, 40 years of age, 1752 01:21:22.160 --> 01:21:26.639 just had a terrible accident at the peak of my career. 1753 01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:27.840 Gone. 1754 01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:32.079 And it... it ruined, you know, 1755 01:21:32.080 --> 01:21:34.960 that film ruined my life completely. 1756 01:21:37.200 --> 01:21:38.959 -I've done some heavy stunts on the movies. 1757 01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:40.199 I've... I've coordinated 1758 01:21:40.200 --> 01:21:44.159 and there've been very little accidents if any. 1759 01:21:44.160 --> 01:21:49.639 The only one that we did have was with Richard hammatt was, 1760 01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:54.239 I had him doubling for Superman on Superman III. 1761 01:21:54.240 --> 01:21:56.839 And we had a Russian swing. 1762 01:21:56.840 --> 01:22:03.399 -I was playing, um, Clark Kent, and it was an evil Superman. 1763 01:22:03.400 --> 01:22:05.479 Christopher was the evil Superman. 1764 01:22:05.480 --> 01:22:06.520 [Kent] Aw, aw. 1765 01:22:07.880 --> 01:22:09.239 [Superman] Come on, chicken! 1766 01:22:09.240 --> 01:22:10.519 I'm gonna get you. 1767 01:22:10.520 --> 01:22:13.079 Been on my nerves for a long time. 1768 01:22:13.080 --> 01:22:15.519 [Kent grunts] 1769 01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:18.240 -He throws me in the car crusher. 1770 01:22:19.200 --> 01:22:21.039 -You always wanted to fly, Kent. 1771 01:22:21.040 --> 01:22:22.679 Now's your chance. 1772 01:22:22.680 --> 01:22:23.919 -O-On the Russian swing, 1773 01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:28.039 you... you have somebody behind you on this like a seesaw 1774 01:22:28.040 --> 01:22:29.559 and you stand on one end. 1775 01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:31.799 And when you get to your height, 1776 01:22:31.800 --> 01:22:34.799 where... to the trajectory you want, 1777 01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:39.200 then you go off and you get flown 35 feet, 40 feet. 1778 01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:42.359 He just slightly mistimed it, 1779 01:22:42.360 --> 01:22:45.199 and went straight up, and came straight down. 1780 01:22:45.200 --> 01:22:47.639 -I was turned to look down, 1781 01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:50.199 I'm on... There's a stack of cars, 1782 01:22:50.200 --> 01:22:52.199 all these American cars in a stack, 1783 01:22:52.200 --> 01:22:53.959 and the airbag's a bit further out 1784 01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:56.639 because I'd gone higher up. I went... 1785 01:22:56.640 --> 01:22:59.199 "I'm not going to reach the airbag." 1786 01:22:59.200 --> 01:23:03.199 So I turned, and as I started to go over onto my back, 1787 01:23:03.200 --> 01:23:05.399 I thought, "I'm not going to get right on the bag, 1788 01:23:05.400 --> 01:23:07.639 I'm gonna lose kind of catch my head, 1789 01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:09.439 I'll be on the edge of the bag." 1790 01:23:09.440 --> 01:23:12.079 So, I came down between the bag and the cars 1791 01:23:12.080 --> 01:23:13.599 and took it on this shoulder. 1792 01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:15.999 It snapped all the ribs off on this side. 1793 01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:19.319 They went through the lung, punctured the lung, 1794 01:23:19.320 --> 01:23:22.759 and I had to get rid of the blood in the... in the lung. 1795 01:23:22.760 --> 01:23:25.279 So [laughs] my... my face is like that. 1796 01:23:25.280 --> 01:23:27.519 That's what the doctor was doing. 1797 01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:29.119 Anyway, I did. 1798 01:23:29.120 --> 01:23:33.799 I got to discharge myself out of hospital and 1799 01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:35.360 I was back at work. 1800 01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:41.119 -We were filming in Greece for Pete brayham, sky riders, 1801 01:23:41.120 --> 01:23:42.639 it was called sky riders. 1802 01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:45.680 [Lively music] 1803 01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:01.199 And what occurred is, they were going to do one explosion 1804 01:24:01.200 --> 01:24:05.559 what came out about 60 feet there and land there, 1805 01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:07.199 and we were going to run forward, 1806 01:24:07.200 --> 01:24:09.519 and the second one would come and explode over us. 1807 01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:12.679 [Suspenseful music] 1808 01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:15.720 [Bomb exploded] 1809 01:24:18.520 --> 01:24:22.519 But this first explosion went over our heads 1810 01:24:22.520 --> 01:24:24.199 and it landed on the crew. 1811 01:24:24.200 --> 01:24:26.519 I think 13 of them got burned. 1812 01:24:26.520 --> 01:24:29.999 But the... I think he... He was the boom operator, 1813 01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:31.679 quite a big guy. 1814 01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:32.959 He was the most burnt. 1815 01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:37.479 So I ran after him and I got him, and it was all alight here, 1816 01:24:37.480 --> 01:24:39.959 and I've lived with this ever [Indistinct] in my life, 1817 01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:41.439 and we all had shorts on. 1818 01:24:41.440 --> 01:24:42.559 And this is all alight. 1819 01:24:42.560 --> 01:24:44.759 So I tried to tear it off. 1820 01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:45.919 I started jumping on him 1821 01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:48.519 and trying to get him on the ground. 1822 01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:50.159 And I've lived with it the rest of my life. 1823 01:24:50.160 --> 01:24:51.439 I didn't save him. 1824 01:24:51.440 --> 01:24:55.559 Then I think the producer got him on the ground. 1825 01:24:55.560 --> 01:24:58.599 But he died five days later. 1826 01:24:58.600 --> 01:25:00.439 And it's come back to the same point. 1827 01:25:00.440 --> 01:25:03.679 You live with your mistakes. 1828 01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:06.599 And you arch yourself to your mistakes 1829 01:25:06.600 --> 01:25:09.959 and... and there... there it is. 1830 01:25:09.960 --> 01:25:12.119 -I hate it. I don't like it. 1831 01:25:12.120 --> 01:25:13.799 I have to be responsible, it's my job. 1832 01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:15.359 But I worry about them, 1833 01:25:15.360 --> 01:25:17.359 you know, but we've got a job to do. 1834 01:25:17.360 --> 01:25:21.359 And I need them to, you know, fall over as hard as possible 1835 01:25:21.360 --> 01:25:23.919 to look like they've been shot or blown up, you know, 1836 01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:26.079 but it's not a... you know, I have to sign off on that, 1837 01:25:26.080 --> 01:25:27.959 and I really... I've been hurt. 1838 01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:30.359 And I know at some stages, they are going to get a knock 1839 01:25:30.360 --> 01:25:31.879 or bruise or whatever. 1840 01:25:31.880 --> 01:25:35.079 But to be responsible for that, it's not very nice. 1841 01:25:35.080 --> 01:25:37.599 Um, you know, I've had one serious injury on a film, 1842 01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:40.559 and I would really never want to do that again. 1843 01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:42.799 You know, it's... it's not a nice feeling at all, 1844 01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:44.559 because it lives with you forever. 1845 01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:46.879 And I had a really hard time for months and months 1846 01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:49.799 after that injury that they sustained. 1847 01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:53.159 But, you know, uh, that was... That was the name of the game 1848 01:25:53.160 --> 01:25:55.759 and that's what we all signed up to do, you know. 1849 01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:58.359 No one put a gun to my head or his head, 1850 01:25:58.360 --> 01:26:01.599 to do what he done, and he... David willingly done it. 1851 01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:03.599 Unfortunately, it didn't work out that well, 1852 01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:06.279 and poor David's ended up in a wheelchair 1853 01:26:06.280 --> 01:26:07.879 for the rest of his life. 1854 01:26:07.880 --> 01:26:12.119 Um, and I sort of carry that guilt that I was the one 1855 01:26:12.120 --> 01:26:16.360 who said "action" on that... On that particular rehearsal. 1856 01:26:18.080 --> 01:26:19.959 [Ray Winstone] Greg was the stunt coordinator 1857 01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:22.159 on all the Harry Potter films. 1858 01:26:22.160 --> 01:26:24.439 During rehearsal on the final film, 1859 01:26:24.440 --> 01:26:26.279 Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double, 1860 01:26:26.280 --> 01:26:27.519 David Holmes, 1861 01:26:27.520 --> 01:26:31.279 sustained an injury with a devastating result. 1862 01:26:31.280 --> 01:26:33.279 -He just did a jerk-back, you know, 1863 01:26:33.280 --> 01:26:35.559 which we've done that... On Harry Potter, 1864 01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:38.719 every day was there a jerk-back, you know, wand 1865 01:26:38.720 --> 01:26:40.959 you know, expelliarmus, 1866 01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:43.119 a flick and a swish, stuff like that. 1867 01:26:43.120 --> 01:26:46.639 It was a jerk-back, you know, that he just landed wrong on. 1868 01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:49.559 It's just... it's just one of those things that happens. 1869 01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:52.679 You don't want it to happen at all. 1870 01:26:52.680 --> 01:26:54.479 Not even if you had a worst enemy, 1871 01:26:54.480 --> 01:26:55.999 you wouldn't want that to happen. 1872 01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:58.639 And especially to David who i... 1873 01:26:58.640 --> 01:27:01.599 He'd come into it as a kid like I did, 1874 01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:04.639 doing it, and then I brought him in on Potter, 1875 01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:06.959 of course he doubled for Daniel Radcliffe, 1876 01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:09.280 and poor sod ended up in a wheelchair. 1877 01:27:11.440 --> 01:27:14.999 -Do you stop shooting, or do you carry on? 1878 01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:17.359 Everyone straight away, you say no, 1879 01:27:17.360 --> 01:27:20.159 we can't carry on or whatever. 1880 01:27:20.160 --> 01:27:21.199 But you have to. 1881 01:27:21.200 --> 01:27:23.959 There's no there's nothing you can do for him. 1882 01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:25.759 There's nothing, you... you know, 1883 01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:27.359 everything's being done for him. 1884 01:27:27.360 --> 01:27:31.399 You may feel, you know, that out of respect or whatever, 1885 01:27:31.400 --> 01:27:33.999 you w... you wouldn't want to carry on, 1886 01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:35.879 but the producers are right, you know. 1887 01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:37.519 You've just got to get back in there 1888 01:27:37.520 --> 01:27:40.879 and do it and then you just carry on. Um 1889 01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:44.239 I'm sure... with fatalities that happen around the world, 1890 01:27:44.240 --> 01:27:48.879 I'm sure, you know, it must affect the crew very badly. 1891 01:27:48.880 --> 01:27:50.719 But what do you do? Where do you... you know? 1892 01:27:50.720 --> 01:27:52.719 Do you stop or do you... 1893 01:27:52.720 --> 01:27:54.639 And how long do you stop for, you know? 1894 01:27:54.640 --> 01:27:58.039 It's... it's far better to just carry on with your job 1895 01:27:58.040 --> 01:28:00.840 and knowing that they're being taken care of. 1896 01:28:02.320 --> 01:28:05.519 -The low parts have been away from the family. 1897 01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:07.159 The family pay for it. 1898 01:28:07.160 --> 01:28:09.759 -I missed the kids because I was traveling a lot. 1899 01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:12.319 When in the early days, you just went where the money was 1900 01:28:12.320 --> 01:28:13.879 or where the work was. 1901 01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:18.719 So yeah, you know, they... I think they missed me as well, 1902 01:28:18.720 --> 01:28:20.639 as much as I missed them. 1903 01:28:20.640 --> 01:28:24.159 But in those days, you-you... That's where the money was. 1904 01:28:24.160 --> 01:28:27.239 That's where the work was, so. 1905 01:28:27.240 --> 01:28:29.919 -I think they knew that it's my job 1906 01:28:29.920 --> 01:28:33.199 and I'm a professional and I know what I'm doing, hopefully. 1907 01:28:33.200 --> 01:28:36.439 So they had confidence in me, i'm sure 1908 01:28:36.440 --> 01:28:38.319 but it's like someone driving a lorry, 1909 01:28:38.320 --> 01:28:41.599 "dad, be careful today," you know 1910 01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:45.440 I'm sure they did worry. But, uh 1911 01:28:46.480 --> 01:28:47.839 where are we now? 1912 01:28:47.840 --> 01:28:49.760 [Laughs] 1913 01:28:51.560 --> 01:28:53.319 -So, they're the worst things of it, 1914 01:28:53.320 --> 01:28:55.799 I think, not seeing your kids and everything else. 1915 01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:58.759 You see them, you know, the best you can and everything else. 1916 01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:02.280 And there's obviously... That's the worst thing, yeah. 1917 01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:08.079 -So I think the industry's changed an awful lot, 1918 01:29:08.080 --> 01:29:09.439 an awful lot. 1919 01:29:09.440 --> 01:29:13.359 And a lot of the craft is gone, because most of the stunts now 1920 01:29:13.360 --> 01:29:14.599 are done on the green screen. 1921 01:29:14.600 --> 01:29:16.479 You can do it and get away with it. 1922 01:29:16.480 --> 01:29:20.399 -Everything's different now, uh, uh, you know, the 1923 01:29:20.400 --> 01:29:21.719 you-you-you're working on sets 1924 01:29:21.720 --> 01:29:24.359 while I'm not there maybe, you know. 1925 01:29:24.360 --> 01:29:26.559 You're riding horses that you're sitting on a box. 1926 01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:27.879 They can put the horse on after. 1927 01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:30.239 It's... it's, you know, it's as simple as that. 1928 01:29:30.240 --> 01:29:33.319 You could be driving a car at a hundred mile an hour in a chase, 1929 01:29:33.320 --> 01:29:34.519 or the actor can. 1930 01:29:34.520 --> 01:29:37.159 He's... he's not doing it, but they put him in there, 1931 01:29:37.160 --> 01:29:38.199 or put the car 'round... 1932 01:29:38.200 --> 01:29:39.799 It's... it's amazing what they do today. 1933 01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:41.679 -You could do the greatest stunt in the world, 1934 01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:43.839 and people think, "oh, yeah, it was missing cg. 1935 01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:44.999 That was, uh, you know." 1936 01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:46.559 And yet they see a cg thing and go, 1937 01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:48.399 "oh, you were fantastic." And then, "yeah." 1938 01:29:48.400 --> 01:29:50.279 You put the costume on and walked into the shot 1939 01:29:50.280 --> 01:29:51.519 and the rest is all cg. 1940 01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:53.799 You know, it's, uh, i-it is depressing. 1941 01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:56.679 But i... you know, everything goes round in a circle, 1942 01:29:56.680 --> 01:29:58.759 certainly in the film game. 1943 01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:01.039 And you can't knock cg. 1944 01:30:01.040 --> 01:30:05.319 I think you can just knock the people that use it too much, 1945 01:30:05.320 --> 01:30:06.599 overuse it and abuse it, 1946 01:30:06.600 --> 01:30:09.319 but it is a wonderful thing and it's the type of films 1947 01:30:09.320 --> 01:30:10.639 people want to go and see. 1948 01:30:10.640 --> 01:30:13.719 -I'm not knocking cgi, because they do a very good job. 1949 01:30:13.720 --> 01:30:14.919 I mean, you've got marvel, 1950 01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:17.119 you've got DC doing all this stuff. 1951 01:30:17.120 --> 01:30:20.159 I mean, good stuff, great stuff. 1952 01:30:20.160 --> 01:30:22.319 But I think the live action 1953 01:30:22.320 --> 01:30:24.960 beats any of that stuff hands down, personally. 1954 01:30:26.920 --> 01:30:30.279 -Nowadays, you get specialists in to do the jobs. 1955 01:30:30.280 --> 01:30:31.439 I... fast and furious, 1956 01:30:31.440 --> 01:30:34.519 I worked on fast and furious, which was great. 1957 01:30:34.520 --> 01:30:36.759 I mean, any... Any stuntman in the world 1958 01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:38.919 want to work on fast and furious. 1959 01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:40.239 And when I got the opportunity 1960 01:30:40.240 --> 01:30:42.879 through Greg to work on it, I was over the moon. 1961 01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:47.079 Unfortunately, I didn't get into the position 1962 01:30:47.080 --> 01:30:49.519 doing the fast-driving stuff, 1963 01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:54.519 because he got specialists in, which was a bit downer for me 1964 01:30:54.520 --> 01:30:56.279 and a bit downer for some of the boys 1965 01:30:56.280 --> 01:30:57.839 because we could all drive. 1966 01:30:57.840 --> 01:30:59.599 I can drive as well as them. 1967 01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:03.559 But he wanted rally drivers 1968 01:31:03.560 --> 01:31:05.199 and people that do it for a living, 1969 01:31:05.200 --> 01:31:08.959 which is understandable. 1970 01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:12.320 But a bit of a kick up the old balls for us, you know. 1971 01:31:13.640 --> 01:31:16.599 -When I started, you... you were characters. 1972 01:31:16.600 --> 01:31:20.039 You were brought in from extras, 1973 01:31:20.040 --> 01:31:23.239 and if you were able to do something that was great. 1974 01:31:23.240 --> 01:31:26.079 Then you do stair falls, then you start doing stunts. 1975 01:31:26.080 --> 01:31:31.079 Um, but we weren't necessarily trained in anything particular. 1976 01:31:31.080 --> 01:31:33.919 So, we learned to do those sorts of things. 1977 01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:37.639 And we, and... got away with it all these years. 1978 01:31:37.640 --> 01:31:40.719 I wouldn't have got in today in what they do. 1979 01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:44.479 Uh, um, none of the earlier stunt guys would have done. 1980 01:31:44.480 --> 01:31:47.199 They... they are just tremendous athletes. 1981 01:31:47.200 --> 01:31:52.159 They have really perfected the art of-of stunting. 1982 01:31:52.160 --> 01:31:54.759 -They're a lot different now, you know. 1983 01:31:54.760 --> 01:31:57.479 Lot of... Different type of people. 1984 01:31:57.480 --> 01:31:59.639 The guys that are coming in today, 1985 01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:03.199 a lot smaller in stature because there's the big guys 1986 01:32:03.200 --> 01:32:06.799 struggle to get through the, uh, all the gymnastic stuff 1987 01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:07.839 they have to do 1988 01:32:07.840 --> 01:32:10.639 because physically not... It's hard work for them. 1989 01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:13.760 Uh younger 1990 01:32:15.440 --> 01:32:17.359 I don't think some of them necessarily 1991 01:32:17.360 --> 01:32:19.719 think about the stunt work so much. 1992 01:32:19.720 --> 01:32:21.159 I think they like the money, 1993 01:32:21.160 --> 01:32:23.319 which is nice, which is important. 1994 01:32:23.320 --> 01:32:25.119 But, you know, it's a lot of us on the first 1995 01:32:25.120 --> 01:32:27.559 we just... We all like a pound note, 1996 01:32:27.560 --> 01:32:28.599 and... and we want that, 1997 01:32:28.600 --> 01:32:31.919 but the job's always been important to us. 1998 01:32:31.920 --> 01:32:33.719 -I do think the characters have disappeared 1999 01:32:33.720 --> 01:32:35.799 that were the Ken buckles, 2000 01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:38.879 Bob Simmons, George leeches 2001 01:32:38.880 --> 01:32:40.519 absolute... paddy Ryans... 2002 01:32:40.520 --> 01:32:44.039 Absolute incredible natural stunt people. 2003 01:32:44.040 --> 01:32:45.079 -It's not as nice now 2004 01:32:45.080 --> 01:32:47.719 because there's so much money involved now. 2005 01:32:47.720 --> 01:32:51.599 You know what I mean? People sit and they're... 2006 01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:55.399 They're doing that at lunchtime in the afternoon. 2007 01:32:55.400 --> 01:32:57.519 Where years ago, you'd be pulling tricks on the guys, 2008 01:32:57.520 --> 01:32:58.999 you'd be doing the three-man lift, 2009 01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:00.959 you'd be hitting them over the head with spoons, 2010 01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:03.239 throwing wardrobes over each other, tripping them up. 2011 01:33:03.240 --> 01:33:05.959 It don't happen so much now, and it was a laugh then. 2012 01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:08.399 [Indistinct] It's... We still have a laugh now. 2013 01:33:08.400 --> 01:33:10.679 But, you know, when you go into the dressing room, 2014 01:33:10.680 --> 01:33:13.999 everyone used to be gambling or reading the paper, 2015 01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:15.759 or doing some work there. 2016 01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:18.439 They all sit there now, they're tapping away. 2017 01:33:18.440 --> 01:33:20.279 See how much money they got in their accounts. 2018 01:33:20.280 --> 01:33:22.319 [Laughs] 2019 01:33:22.320 --> 01:33:24.559 [Interviewer] What age are you now? 2020 01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:27.439 -What a no-good bastard. 2021 01:33:27.440 --> 01:33:28.999 Er, 82. 2022 01:33:29.000 --> 01:33:30.359 -Seventy-seven. 2023 01:33:30.360 --> 01:33:32.080 -I'm 72 now. 2024 01:33:33.320 --> 01:33:34.519 -Well, I miss, at my age, 2025 01:33:34.520 --> 01:33:36.119 being able to do what I could do. 2026 01:33:36.120 --> 01:33:37.599 And when I'm over with my children, 2027 01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:38.879 or my great-grandchildren, 2028 01:33:38.880 --> 01:33:41.559 they say, "oh, granddad, show us what you do." 2029 01:33:41.560 --> 01:33:43.879 Yeah, well, it hurts a little bit now if I do it, you know. 2030 01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:46.399 The bones... I don't want to take that chance, 2031 01:33:46.400 --> 01:33:48.639 wind up with a hip replacement. 2032 01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:50.399 -I have a lot of... A new pair of knees 2033 01:33:50.400 --> 01:33:53.599 and a new shoulder, so you don't get up, you know. 2034 01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:54.639 You fall over. 2035 01:33:54.640 --> 01:33:56.399 It takes you like ten minutes to get up now. 2036 01:33:56.400 --> 01:33:58.279 Years ago, I'd do whatever you want, 2037 01:33:58.280 --> 01:34:00.759 but now that just takes too long, 2038 01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:02.879 and the bruises last a lot longer. 2039 01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:05.239 -And I don't miss performing at all. 2040 01:34:05.240 --> 01:34:06.839 It was a means to an end. 2041 01:34:06.840 --> 01:34:11.959 And again, I had the brains to get out while I was still fit, 2042 01:34:11.960 --> 01:34:15.719 you know, and I could feel the reactions weren't there 2043 01:34:15.720 --> 01:34:17.639 on the last crusade. 2044 01:34:17.640 --> 01:34:19.719 It was there on the last crusade, that I thought, 2045 01:34:19.720 --> 01:34:21.919 "nah, I've had too many racehorses 2046 01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:24.520 that you have given one race too many," you know. 2047 01:34:25.560 --> 01:34:26.919 Dave bickers is my guru. 2048 01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:29.399 Dave bickers, he was one of the smartest people I've ever met 2049 01:34:29.400 --> 01:34:30.519 in the business. 2050 01:34:30.520 --> 01:34:32.719 I got him into the business; He was a motorcycle racer, 2051 01:34:32.720 --> 01:34:35.239 and he became my engineer and designer. 2052 01:34:35.240 --> 01:34:36.639 And... and he was one of those guys 2053 01:34:36.640 --> 01:34:38.879 that had so much common sense. 2054 01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:41.119 And he said to me when we were rehearsing, 2055 01:34:41.120 --> 01:34:45.439 he said, "Vic, I always want to stop before the last one." 2056 01:34:45.440 --> 01:34:48.519 [Mutters] "What do you mean, stop before the last one?" 2057 01:34:48.520 --> 01:34:50.079 Then the penny dropped. 2058 01:34:50.080 --> 01:34:54.479 Because it's like, um, it's like that, you know 2059 01:34:54.480 --> 01:34:56.119 "watch this. I'll just give you one more. 2060 01:34:56.120 --> 01:34:58.679 You watch this." And that's always the one you hurt yourself on. 2061 01:34:58.680 --> 01:35:01.039 Of course it's the last one, because you've broken your leg 2062 01:35:01.040 --> 01:35:03.359 or had a crash or something's gone wrong with it, you know. 2063 01:35:03.360 --> 01:35:06.079 [Laughs] And it made so much sense to me. 2064 01:35:06.080 --> 01:35:07.999 And I've told everybody around the world. 2065 01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:10.039 You know, you rehearse things, rehearse things. 2066 01:35:10.040 --> 01:35:11.279 "Let's do one more," and, 2067 01:35:11.280 --> 01:35:13.879 "yeah, get ready." You know, you do it. 2068 01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:16.279 And it's not quite right, and so it's "get ready" again. 2069 01:35:16.280 --> 01:35:18.039 And people are going, "okay," we get ready, 2070 01:35:18.040 --> 01:35:20.399 and I said, "okay, and that's a wrap. We're not doing it." 2071 01:35:20.400 --> 01:35:23.319 "What do you mean?" And I was, quote, stopped before the last one. 2072 01:35:23.320 --> 01:35:25.719 -You don't leave the industry. 2073 01:35:25.720 --> 01:35:27.799 The industry leaves you. 2074 01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:31.119 And that's what happens with stuntmen. 2075 01:35:31.120 --> 01:35:32.959 -The phone never rings anymore. 2076 01:35:32.960 --> 01:35:34.559 I don't mind because as I say, 2077 01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:37.479 I can make money somewhere else, 2078 01:35:37.480 --> 01:35:40.319 or I'll have something else to keep me busy, 2079 01:35:40.320 --> 01:35:41.959 and so forth and so forth. 2080 01:35:41.960 --> 01:35:43.759 So that doesn't ring anymore. 2081 01:35:43.760 --> 01:35:46.119 -If the phone stops, then you're retired. 2082 01:35:46.120 --> 01:35:48.760 Well, at the moment, it's only twinkling. It's twinkling. 2083 01:35:50.200 --> 01:35:51.959 That's the problem at the moment. 2084 01:35:51.960 --> 01:35:53.439 The financials. 2085 01:35:53.440 --> 01:35:55.679 Coming in this industry, you know, you get good money, 2086 01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:56.879 and then you're out of work. 2087 01:35:56.880 --> 01:35:58.559 You get good money, you're out of work, 2088 01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:00.199 you get good money, you're out of work. 2089 01:36:00.200 --> 01:36:02.399 And that's how it's been all my life. 2090 01:36:02.400 --> 01:36:04.479 And people always used to say to me, 2091 01:36:04.480 --> 01:36:06.719 "put some money away for a rainy day, rock." 2092 01:36:06.720 --> 01:36:09.159 "Yeah. What rainy day?" 2093 01:36:09.160 --> 01:36:11.719 It never happened, that rainy day, 2094 01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:14.319 and it's started pouring down now. 2095 01:36:14.320 --> 01:36:16.159 You understand? And it's too late. 2096 01:36:16.160 --> 01:36:18.919 When it's too late, what do you do? 2097 01:36:18.920 --> 01:36:21.919 -It's time to live a life now. 2098 01:36:21.920 --> 01:36:24.399 All that running around all over the world, 2099 01:36:24.400 --> 01:36:26.959 getting paid, was nice, 2100 01:36:26.960 --> 01:36:29.199 I've got to say. 2101 01:36:29.200 --> 01:36:31.719 But it's a young man's game now, I think. 2102 01:36:31.720 --> 01:36:33.279 -Why wouldn't you keep going? 2103 01:36:33.280 --> 01:36:35.719 I mean, it's just... it's fun. 2104 01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:37.919 You're getting paid for playing cowboys and Indians, 2105 01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:40.559 and you're getting paid well, and as long as, you know, 2106 01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:43.239 and-and... if i'm in a zimmer frame one day, 2107 01:36:43.240 --> 01:36:45.720 and they say, "we want you to do a zimmer frame fall," I'll go, 2108 01:36:46.920 --> 01:36:48.839 "I'm your boy. I'll have a go at it." 2109 01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:52.119 -In the, um, force awakens, 2110 01:36:52.120 --> 01:36:55.839 I doubled for, um, Max-Max Von sydow, 2111 01:36:55.840 --> 01:36:59.159 uh, in the opening sequence when he gets cut in half. 2112 01:36:59.160 --> 01:37:02.039 [Suspenseful music] 2113 01:37:02.040 --> 01:37:06.439 Uh, skyfall. Spectre and skyfall. 2114 01:37:06.440 --> 01:37:07.559 Um, and since then, 2115 01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:12.759 I've done the mummy with Tom Cruise in London. 2116 01:37:12.760 --> 01:37:18.039 Star wars, um, rogue one, I played a part of 2117 01:37:18.040 --> 01:37:21.479 the... one of the engineers getting shot. 2118 01:37:21.480 --> 01:37:25.639 - Fire! - [Rapid gunshots] 2119 01:37:25.640 --> 01:37:27.839 -Transformers: The last knight. 2120 01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:29.119 I'm in the next star wars, 2121 01:37:29.120 --> 01:37:30.639 I'm just getting blown up in that. 2122 01:37:30.640 --> 01:37:32.319 But as long as I can do it, 2123 01:37:32.320 --> 01:37:34.039 and I'm comfortable with it, I'll do it. 2124 01:37:34.040 --> 01:37:38.039 I just... i don't... obviously won't do anything 2125 01:37:38.040 --> 01:37:41.999 that I think my old body is not capable of doing, 2126 01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:46.199 or it would make me look silly doing, 2127 01:37:46.200 --> 01:37:49.959 so a little bit dignity in old age is good. 2128 01:37:49.960 --> 01:37:51.719 -I mean, without, being a stunt performer 2129 01:37:51.720 --> 01:37:53.119 going into the stunt industry 2130 01:37:53.120 --> 01:37:55.559 which took me into the film industry, 2131 01:37:55.560 --> 01:38:00.599 I would not be sitting here now as a elderly gentleman, 2132 01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:05.199 director, writer, novelist, producer 2133 01:38:05.200 --> 01:38:06.399 without the stunt business. 2134 01:38:06.400 --> 01:38:08.839 The stunt business took me into the industry 2135 01:38:08.840 --> 01:38:10.999 and gave me every break I ever had. 2136 01:38:11.000 --> 01:38:13.999 -I met some great people like Wayne, 2137 01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:16.279 Harrison Ford, Larry Olivier. 2138 01:38:16.280 --> 01:38:18.319 I enjoyed it. And I'm pleased my son 2139 01:38:18.320 --> 01:38:21.439 and that maybe my grandson is gonna follow me. 2140 01:38:21.440 --> 01:38:23.319 And I hope they have the fun that I have. 2141 01:38:23.320 --> 01:38:26.279 -I've got some personal stresses that drive me mad, but 2142 01:38:26.280 --> 01:38:28.239 I am happy. 2143 01:38:28.240 --> 01:38:30.479 -I wouldn't change any of it. 2144 01:38:30.480 --> 01:38:32.319 Not one bit. 2145 01:38:32.320 --> 01:38:34.399 -I wish I could do it again. 2146 01:38:34.400 --> 01:38:36.359 I wouldn't change it. 2147 01:38:36.360 --> 01:38:37.999 I'll save some of me money, though. 2148 01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:40.039 [Laughs] 2149 01:38:40.040 --> 01:38:42.999 -I love the business, and I hate the business, 2150 01:38:43.000 --> 01:38:44.799 but I love it more than I hate it. 2151 01:38:44.800 --> 01:38:46.759 You know, a great friend of mine, Terry Leonard, 2152 01:38:46.760 --> 01:38:49.159 who used to double Harrison with us on raiders as well, 2153 01:38:49.160 --> 01:38:51.439 he did the stuff under the bus, under the truck, 2154 01:38:51.440 --> 01:38:53.959 which I can't claim credit for, he did that. 2155 01:38:53.960 --> 01:38:55.519 But he always used to say to me, 2156 01:38:55.520 --> 01:38:57.279 "Vic, at the end of this game, business, 2157 01:38:57.280 --> 01:38:59.679 all you got is memories, friends and eight by tens." 2158 01:38:59.680 --> 01:39:00.759 And he's so right. 2159 01:39:00.760 --> 01:39:02.319 Eight by tens being the photographs, 2160 01:39:02.320 --> 01:39:03.759 memories and friends. 2161 01:39:03.760 --> 01:39:05.759 -If I drop dead now and they nail the lid on, 2162 01:39:05.760 --> 01:39:07.159 all I've got left is the memories 2163 01:39:07.160 --> 01:39:09.999 and the memories have been absolutely fantastic. 2164 01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:11.799 Because all the, everything around here, 2165 01:39:11.800 --> 01:39:13.719 the motorbikes and the house and everything, 2166 01:39:13.720 --> 01:39:16.679 we're just guardians of those things, we don't own those. 2167 01:39:16.680 --> 01:39:18.879 Those have nothing to do with anything really. 2168 01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:20.599 It's what you've seen, what you've done, 2169 01:39:20.600 --> 01:39:23.079 the people that you've met, the people that you've enjoyed, 2170 01:39:23.080 --> 01:39:24.999 or helped or whatever, 2171 01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:27.799 it-it-it-it's about the journey. 2172 01:39:27.800 --> 01:39:31.439 Um, and when the flag, you know, drops and, you know, 2173 01:39:31.440 --> 01:39:33.239 they put you in the box, 2174 01:39:33.240 --> 01:39:34.759 that's all that's left there. 2175 01:39:34.760 --> 01:39:38.519 And so, I consider myself extremely fortunate, 2176 01:39:38.520 --> 01:39:40.119 extremely fortunate. 2177 01:39:40.120 --> 01:39:42.599 And those occasions when I have had near-death experiences, 2178 01:39:42.600 --> 01:39:45.520 and there've been three or four of them, um 2179 01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:53.040 were times when I thought, "well, it is what it is." 2180 01:39:54.160 --> 01:39:56.319 -[Exhales deeply] I can't believe half of what I done 2181 01:39:56.320 --> 01:39:58.439 when I look back and I think the situations... 2182 01:39:58.440 --> 01:40:01.159 And-and the things that we just, 2183 01:40:01.160 --> 01:40:03.479 "yeah, we can do that. Yeah. Okay." 2184 01:40:03.480 --> 01:40:04.519 Unbelievable. 2185 01:40:04.520 --> 01:40:05.559 Now I'm very happy, 2186 01:40:05.560 --> 01:40:06.959 I'm very proud of what I've done. 2187 01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:09.879 [Inhales deeply] Yeah. It's always one more film. 2188 01:40:09.880 --> 01:40:11.959 Just do one more film and then I'll quit, 2189 01:40:11.960 --> 01:40:14.960 just before the last one [laughs]. 2190 01:40:16.440 --> 01:40:19.399 [Ray Winstone] So, there they are. 2191 01:40:19.400 --> 01:40:23.119 The British bulldogs that took Hollywood by storm. 2192 01:40:23.120 --> 01:40:25.359 You might not have recognized their faces before, 2193 01:40:25.360 --> 01:40:26.759 but maybe you'll look out for them 2194 01:40:26.760 --> 01:40:29.119 next time you stick on an old movie. 2195 01:40:29.120 --> 01:40:32.799 And remember that for every time someone fell, 2196 01:40:32.800 --> 01:40:33.959 jumped, crashed, 2197 01:40:33.960 --> 01:40:38.319 punched, kicked, stabbed, swung or got blown up, 2198 01:40:38.320 --> 01:40:39.799 there was someone like this 2199 01:40:39.800 --> 01:40:42.599 putting themselves on the line for it. 2200 01:40:42.600 --> 01:40:44.919 And having a bloody good time. 2201 01:40:44.920 --> 01:40:47.519 ["Houses that you lived in" performed by the family machine] 2202 01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:49.160 ♪ Houses that you lived in ♪ 2203 01:40:52.640 --> 01:40:55.080 ♪ remember you today ♪ 2204 01:40:58.880 --> 01:41:01.880 ♪ the car you drove away in ♪ 2205 01:41:04.960 --> 01:41:07.520 ♪ you're sad because you changed ♪ 2206 01:41:09.120 --> 01:41:14.080 ♪ oh, don't leave me far behind ♪ 2207 01:41:15.320 --> 01:41:19.800 ♪ this is how you say goodbye ♪ 2208 01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:27.000 ♪ the songs you used to sing her ♪ 2209 01:41:29.760 --> 01:41:31.880 ♪ will never fade away ♪ 2210 01:41:35.480 --> 01:41:39.080 ♪ the fields you walk [indistinct] ♪ 2211 01:41:41.840 --> 01:41:44.800 ♪ Were aching just to say ♪ 2212 01:41:46.320 --> 01:41:50.720 ♪ oh, don't leave me far behind ♪ 2213 01:41:52.400 --> 01:41:57.799 ♪ you will live and you will die ♪ 2214 01:41:57.800 --> 01:42:01.039 ♪ it's easy when you make it ♪ 2215 01:42:01.040 --> 01:42:03.839 ♪ it's easy when you break it ♪ 2216 01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:06.519 ♪ to leave your [Indistinct] remind ♪ 2217 01:42:06.520 --> 01:42:07.559 ♪ hey ♪ 2218 01:42:07.560 --> 01:42:10.560 ♪ haah ♪ 2219 01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:13.919 ♪ hey ♪ 2220 01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:16.840 ♪ haaah ♪ 2221 01:42:19.080 --> 01:42:20.119 ♪ hey ♪ 2222 01:42:20.120 --> 01:42:23.440 ♪ haaah ♪ 2223 01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:37.519 ["The stuntman" performed by Pete ivatts] 2224 01:42:37.520 --> 01:42:41.399 ♪ Rough around the edges not known for our looks ♪ 2225 01:42:41.400 --> 01:42:43.359 ♪ we jump from high ledges ♪ 2226 01:42:43.360 --> 01:42:45.559 ♪ get knocked down by trucks ♪ 2227 01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:51.200 ♪ it's a risky old life, but at least it's the life we choose ♪ 2228 01:42:53.560 --> 01:42:57.479 ♪ you don't see our names up there with the stars ♪ 2229 01:42:57.480 --> 01:42:59.359 ♪ but it says on the screen ♪ 2230 01:42:59.360 --> 01:43:01.719 ♪ when they're crashing their cars ♪ 2231 01:43:01.720 --> 01:43:03.839 ♪ we work hard on the stunts ♪ 2232 01:43:03.840 --> 01:43:07.240 ♪ then we work hard on the booze ♪ 2233 01:43:09.600 --> 01:43:11.679 ♪ they ask the impossible ♪ 2234 01:43:11.680 --> 01:43:14.999 ♪ put you through hell but you give it a go ♪ 2235 01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:17.439 ♪ 'cause they're payin' you well ♪ 2236 01:43:17.440 --> 01:43:19.519 ♪ it's dodgy at times ♪ 2237 01:43:19.520 --> 01:43:22.960 ♪ but it's better than nine to five ♪ 2238 01:43:25.680 --> 01:43:29.599 ♪ we didn't have green screens to fake our effects ♪ 2239 01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:33.639 ♪ we jumped off of rooftops got blown up in wrecks ♪ 2240 01:43:33.640 --> 01:43:39.120 ♪ you had to be fit and put up with a sprain or a break ♪ 2241 01:43:41.960 --> 01:43:43.519 ♪ you work it all out ♪ 2242 01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:45.799 ♪ break it down into bits ♪ 2243 01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:49.599 ♪ and try to cut out the worst of the risks ♪ 2244 01:43:49.600 --> 01:43:55.040 ♪ and hope you could get it all done in only one take ♪ 2245 01:43:57.680 --> 01:43:59.559 ♪ we're all independent ♪ 2246 01:43:59.560 --> 01:44:01.639 ♪ we set our own rates ♪ 2247 01:44:01.640 --> 01:44:05.879 ♪ we work for ourselves but we still need our mates ♪ 2248 01:44:05.880 --> 01:44:11.320 ♪ we rely on each other to make sure you come home at night ♪ 2249 01:44:14.040 --> 01:44:17.559 ♪ you're never quite sure how long it'll last ♪ 2250 01:44:17.560 --> 01:44:21.679 ♪ so you work even with both your legs in a cast ♪ 2251 01:44:21.680 --> 01:44:23.599 ♪ old stuntmen don't quit ♪ 2252 01:44:23.600 --> 01:44:26.640 ♪ just work harder on getting it right ♪ 2253 01:44:30.080 --> 01:44:33.719 ♪ and when you call time cause your body says no ♪ 2254 01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:38.639 ♪ and there's no fuel left when the green light says go ♪ 2255 01:44:38.640 --> 01:44:42.239 ♪ you can sit in a pub with your mates ♪ 2256 01:44:42.240 --> 01:44:45.240 ♪ and not have to fight ♪ 2257 01:44:46.720 --> 01:44:49.639 ♪ yes the stunts can be tough ♪ 2258 01:44:49.640 --> 01:44:54.719 ♪ but a stuntman's life is all right ♪ 2259 01:44:54.720 --> 01:44:57.760 [♪♪♪]