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[man 1] The thing that makes anthrax
a exquisite biological weapon

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isn't because it kills
at a high frequency.

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It isn't because it's communicable,
like COVID's communicable,

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you get that from your neighbor.

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It's because it has a spore.

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The spore form can exist for decades.

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You can't get rid of it.

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Once those spores get inside the body,
then, of course,

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they germinate and take over

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and will kill an animal.

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The spores, then, get back into the soil.

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It has to kill in order to survive.

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[tense music builds]

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It has to kill to complete its life cycle.

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[police sirens wailing]

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[indistinct radio chatter]

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[siren wailing]

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[reporter 1] <i>At the American Media</i>
<i>Incorporated building in Boca Raton.</i>

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<i>The building has been sealed</i>
<i>and anthrax has now been detected</i>

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<i>on a computer keyboard</i>
<i>used by 63-year-old Bob Stevens.</i>

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<i>He's the first person in the U.S.</i>

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<i>to die of the extremely rare form</i>
<i>of the disease in 25 years.</i>

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[reporter 2] <i>Investigators believe</i>
<i>he contracted this anthrax naturally,</i>

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<i>which means it must have come from soil</i>
<i>or from a farm animal.</i>

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[reporter 3] <i>Do we know…?</i>
<i>Sir, was this inhalation anthrax?</i>

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Was this fellow a hunter?

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It appears, at this point in time,
it's inhalation.

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[reporter 3] Do we know
if he was a hunter?

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We don't-- We don't know.
We know he was an outdoorsman.

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[reporter 4] Mister Secretary, any reason
to believe this is a result of terrorism?

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It appears that this
is just an isolated case.

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There's no evidence of terrorism.

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[man 2] Soon after 9/11,
I get a phone call from a FBI scientist,

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and he starts to tell me
about this unusual case of anthrax.

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They were reporting that he had pulmonary,

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or inhalational anthrax.

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And so they did a spinal tap.

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The bacterium bacillus anthracis.

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It spread everywhere,
even into his central nervous system.

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Anthrax would not be a good death.

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You'd spike a high fever,
you'd feel very terrible,

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and then you'd crash and die.

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In Palm Beach County, Florida,

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dozens of anxious office workers
were screened for signs of bacteria today.

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[woman 1] Didn't sleep very well.

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They told me to get my son
'cause he's been in the building.

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When you don't really have a direction,

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then you have to look at every direction.

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We didn't know what we had.

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We had someone who had died

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from anthrax poisoning.

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The question is, how did it get there?

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[Paul] So the FBI said,

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"We want to send you a sample
so that you can analyze the DNA."

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We were expected to perform,
and we needed to do this fast.

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[car horns honking]

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[reporter 5] <i>President Bush</i>
<i>told Americans there's progress</i>

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<i>in the search for those</i>
<i>believed to be responsible</i>

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<i>for the September terrorist attacks.</i>

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[George W. Bush]<i> My focus</i>
<i>is bringing Al-Qaeda to justice.</i>

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[reporter 6] <i>Mr. Bush urged Americans</i>
<i>to go about their lives.</i>

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<i>To fly on airplanes, to go to work.</i>

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<i>But he also said</i>
<i>they should use common sense</i>

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<i>and report things that seem suspicious.</i>

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Good morning, I'm Andy Lack. I'm with NBC.

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I'm here with the Mayor.

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This morning, we received a positive test
for cutaneous anthrax

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for one of our colleagues
who works on <i>Nightly News.</i>

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[newscaster 1] <i>A floor of the NBC</i>
<i>television network headquarters,</i>

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<i>closed down.</i>

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<i>Authorities determining</i>
<i>if any other traces</i>

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<i>of the anthrax bacteria are present.</i>

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[inaudible]

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[woman 2] They said that
somebody in the building had anthrax.

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That was frightening.

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You know, you could die from it. Right?

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[security guard] Excuse me, please.

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[Rudy Giuliani] At NBC, there's one
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who is now confirmed
to have developed cutaneous anthrax.

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[policeman] Get him out of here.
Get him out of here.

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-[horn honks]
-Come on, let's go!

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In this huge stack of mail,
I saw this letter.

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[woman 3] When I open the letter,
I got chills all over. So…

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It said, "9/11/01."

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"Death to America. Death to Israel."

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"Allah is great."

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what appeared to be, to me, it looked like
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I took the substance
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I just was incredibly sick.

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I felt like there was something running
through my whole body and my veins.

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My doctors gave me an antibiotic.

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I could have died easily
if I had just one misstep,

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or if I decided I was going to smell that,

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you know, the anthrax,
I would have been dead.

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[Casey] We had a car waiting downstairs
to take us to the FBI.

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You know, we're whisked away
in a black car.

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I remember I looked over
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and it was like, "Anthrax at NBC,"

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and I thought,
"Oh, my God, this is crazy."

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[Brad] The big fear was this is
the second wave of a terrorist attack,

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and now we've got an Islamic terrorist
group that's sending out poison to people.

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It just feels so vulnerable now because
you don't know what's gonna happen,

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where it's gonna happen.

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[Brad] The real concern at that point is,
are there more of these?

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[siren wailing]

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This comes to us from Washington, D.C.

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President Bush just announced,
uh, from the Rose Garden

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that, uh, Senate Majority Leader
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um, has reported seeing
a suspicious letter,

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and that the authorities believe
that letter contains anthrax.

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I did contact
each of the other members of leadership.

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If it happened in my office,

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it could happen elsewhere.

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[reporter 7] Law enforcement officials
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that there may be a connection
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the NBC News case in New York,

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and the tabloid newspaper case in Florida.

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[George W. Bush]
I will answer a couple of questions.

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[overlapping chatter]

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The anthrax attacks, sir,
do you believe there is any connection

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to Bin Laden's organization?

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Well, there may be some possible link.

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He and his spokesman are openly
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more pain on our country.

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I wouldn't put it past him but we
don't have hard evidence yet. Yeah, Ron.

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[newscaster 1] <i>The seven-month-old son</i>
<i>of an ABC News employee…</i>

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[newscaster 2] …<i>a worker at</i>
<i>the </i>New York Post<i> was diagnosed…</i>

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[newscaster 3]<i> An assistant to CBS News</i>
<i>anchor, Dan Rather, exposed as well.</i>

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Do you know how much mail,
how many packages I've opened?

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I don't want to touch the mail.

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It's a new form of human warfare.

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Kathy Nguyen did die
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This time it's a woman in Connecticut.

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[reporter 8]<i> …provided more questions</i>
<i>than answers.</i>

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Until there is a suspect, no one will
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and whether it is related
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who tried to rent a crop dusting aircraft.

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[newscaster 4]
If we're really being honest,

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if America is prepared
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the answer is no.

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Oh, my god!

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Maybe we shouldn't be talking here.

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Maybe there's anthrax
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[reporter 9] <i>Pharmacy supplies</i>
<i>of the antibiotic Cipro,</i>

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<i>one of the drugs</i>
<i>known to fight anthrax, are thin.</i>

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[reporter 10]<i> Gas masks</i>
<i>sell out in Los Angeles.</i>

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It's probably a little paranoia,

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but I'm not gonna take the chance.
That's all.

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We face an enemy as ruthless
and unpredictable as any we've ever faced.

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[reporter 11] <i>And the road back to</i>
<i>a sense of security could be a long one.</i>

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I feel like I go to work, I don't know
what's going to happen next.

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[Brad] The mail system
touches the entire United States.

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[ominous music playing]

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And so the potential of these letters
going to whomever was huge.

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How in the world are we gonna
get our arms around this quickly?

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One of America's most
distinguished scientists, Dr. Paul Keim.

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[applause]

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[Paul] Early in the investigation,
I thought it was a foreign source

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associated with
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but we got the data and we started
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And it matched up with this strain
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Everybody was silent

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because at that point,
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even to this day, the only examples of the
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originate in American laboratories.

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The person that we were pursuing

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was one of us.

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[theme music playing]

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[reporter] <i>Barbara Hatch Rosenberg</i>

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<i>believes the anthrax attack</i>
<i>is an inside job.</i>

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What many consider to be
the largest FBI investigation in history.

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This is criminal intent to commit murder.

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[man] <i>We will find the perpetrators</i>
<i>of anthrax</i>

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<i>and we will punish the guilty</i>
<i>for their crimes.</i>

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Hi.

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[crew member] Final touches.

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[indistinct chatter in background]

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[crew member] Sound check, please.

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One, two, one, two.
Testing. One, two, three, four.

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Okay.

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[crew member speaking indistinctly]

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[tense music playing]

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My name is Dr. Bruce Edward Ivins.

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I am a Department of Defense researcher
at USAMRIID.

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That's the United States Army Medical
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[Bruce] For me, it's a real thrill
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and know that I've just revealed something

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that no one else in the world
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[man 1] Morning, sir.

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[Bruce] I feel like a detective

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and that which is unknown

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dares me to try to find out about it.

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[beep]

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[man 2] Bruce Ivins, he struck me
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but he had a worldwide reputation
as one of the experts on anthrax.

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He was extremely well thought of.

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As opposed to being
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-Bruce was neither of those things.
-[woman] Hey, Bruce.

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[bluegrass music playing]

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[music halts]

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<i>It is clear that the terrorists</i>
<i>responsible for these attacks</i>

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<i>intended to use this anthrax</i>

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<i>as a weapon.</i>

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<i>We still don't know who is responsible.</i>

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As you look at him,
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[Vince] Whoever committed
this act of bioterrorism

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is somebody with
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and access to deadly spores.

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I mean, one of the challenges we had

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was relying on the scientific community.

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-Yeah.
…to help us in the investigation.

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What time?

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How do we know
that they were being helpful?

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[machine whirring]

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And so, Bruce was definitely
somebody that needed to be looked at.

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[Brad] Any time you interview somebody,
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would be a little bit,
I suppose, like a chess match

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because you're dealing
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You're obviously trying to get them
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if in fact they've done anything.

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-Really sorry to keep you guys waiting.
-Not a problem.

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We appreciate--

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I was working in the hot suite
and it's quite a process to de-gown.

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Let me tell you.

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Have a seat, Doctor.

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Yeah, thank you.

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I'm Special Agent Hayward.
This is my partner, Agent Braxton.

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I'm very happy to meet you.

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We appreciate your help
with the sample analysis.

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[Bruce] Of course, my pleasure.

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[Hayward] You say here the, uh, spores

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found in the letters
are not garage spores.

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What does that mean?

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It means they're highly purified.

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99% refractile.
No vegetative cells or debris.

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Any idea who could make
something like this?

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Uh…

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Someone with specialized training.

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Someone with access
to industrial manufacturing tools.

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Oh, so, someone like you.

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[chuckles] I wish.

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To produce powder
of that purity from wet spores,

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you'd need serious equipment.

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Much better than we have in this dump.

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We were stuck from the standpoint that
we really did have to rely on the people

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that were the experts.

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[Brad] But the problem we had was,
we had zero evidence

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that one of these scientists
was the ultimate culprit.

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And so, you know, the question
is how to stop this anthrax thing

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where we had no clue
when it would stop, if it would stop.

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[foreboding music playing]

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[reporter 1] <i>Good evening, Tom.</i>
<i>Military experts say</i>

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<i>the powder in that letter</i>
<i>sent to Senator Daschle</i>

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<i>was the same biological type</i>
<i>as in the other letters.</i>

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<i>But so pure and so extremely fine,</i>
<i>it was clearly designed to kill.</i>

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<i>Inside that innocent-looking…</i>

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[woman] When we heard about
the Daschle letter,

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that's when it felt closer to home.

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I was like, "Wow, in order for them
to get their mail,

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it has to come through Brentwood."

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So I kinda, like,
went inside myself just to stay calm.

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This mail had to come through
our building.

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[dramatic music playing]

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[Paul] These letters
are pushed through rollers,

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and then the spores
that are inside the letter

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could doubtlessly
get pushed out through any cracks.

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A little bit of that powder gets out,
and it just flies.

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I want to thank you
for joining us here today.

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As, you know, one letter

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from among the more than
3.5 million pieces of mail

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handled here each day

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contained Anthrax.

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That letter was extremely well sealed,

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and there is only a minute chance

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that anthrax spores
escaped from it into this facility.

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[camera shutters clicking]

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When it first hit the national news,

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I said to myself, "Oh, boy."

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My brother Joe dealt with all the mail

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that would come through Brentwood
at that time.

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I talked to him on the phone.
I said, "Joe, please. Please be careful."

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And he said, "I will, I am."

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I just had this feeling of foreboding.

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Knowing that you probably
in a place that's not safe,

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but then somebody's telling you it's safe
and you're trying to trust them.

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And then you find out
later you can't trust 'em at all.

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[man 3] Our plant manager said,

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"We're going to have
some people come in and test."

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"They're gonna have on
the Hazmat gear from head to toe."

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Why did they have
Hazmat gear on if everything was safe?

301
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[interviewer] Just to be clear,

302
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you guys could see people in moon suits
walking around the plant?

303
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Yes.

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They just told us
to stay out of their way.

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[technician] Six FKC pumps
for an unknown volume flow…

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And then, our plant manager goes,

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"You know what,
if we shut the building down,

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then the terrorists wins."

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Why would you feel that we should not
have been tested and the building closed?

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They were telling the media
and the workers the same thing.

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"It's nothing to worry about."

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"Anthrax isn't in the building."

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And that's when it happened.

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Our chests started to hurt.

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All of us started having
dizziness or, um, headaches,

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and I could see Joseph Curseen.

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He sat on there
and his head was kind of down.

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That stood out because he's--
he had never taken a sick day off work.

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And then not long after that,

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you start hearing about
another postal worker, Thomas Morris.

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[Thomas]

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-[static hisses]
-[Thomas] <i>Um…</i>

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[static hisses]

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[Thomas]

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[phone line clicks]

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[Joan] It was early in the morning
when Joe's wife woke up.

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Joe wasn't there in the bed,

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she went to their bathroom
and he was sprawled out.

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I don't know whether he had

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defecated on himself--
I mean, he was just out.

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He was that sick

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and she called the ambulance,
called my parents,

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um,

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and when they got there,

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they could…

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I guess they took them to an area,

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and they could actually hear him heaving.

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And I tried to call home
and I kept calling and calling.

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That's when my mother
told me Joe was dead.

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And I dropped the phone and, uh…

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[man 4] A short while ago, I briefed
the president with the latest facts

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on the anthrax situation, as we know them.

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Two postal employees

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who work at the Brentwood Mail Facility
here in Washington, D.C.

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became critically ill,
tragically, ultimately passed away.

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[Joan] That Saturday, we buried Joe.

347
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And, let me tell you something.

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If it weren't for my faith,

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I would have lost my mind

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behind losing my brother,

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especially like that.

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[George W. Bush]
We mourn the loss of the lives

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of Thomas Morris and Joseph Curseen.

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Postal workers
who died in the line of duty.

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We have seen
the horrors terrorists can inflict.

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Overseas,

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and here at home.

358
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But one thing is for certain.

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These terrorists must be pursued.

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They must be defeated.

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And they must be brought to justice.

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[applause]

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[Brad] As far as high-profile,
pressurized cases,

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I can't think of anything as big as this.

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[dramatic music playing]

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We were, many times on a weekly basis,

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going to FBI headquarters
and briefing the director

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as to what's going on in this case.

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00:23:39,209 --> 00:23:43,296
Good morning. I want you to know
our investigators are hard at work.

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Are hard at work in New York, in Florida,

371
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in New Jersey, uh, in D.C.,
and throughout the country.

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00:23:49,386 --> 00:23:52,389
You gotta get this solved
and we need to move on here.

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We're not in a position at this point
to determine, uh,

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those who are responsible.

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I'm just gonna leave it there.

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[reporter 2] <i>A biological killer</i>
<i>sent through the mail.</i>

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00:24:02,732 --> 00:24:04,276
<i>The letters killed five people…</i>

378
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…and made 17 others sick.
The case remains an unsolved mystery.

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[Brad] Over a period of time,

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the case agents and the postal inspectors

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were able to develop,
sort of, the movement

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of these letters
from a particular mailbox,

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which was Princeton, New Jersey.

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Postal inspectors
take these mailings very seriously.

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This afternoon, I am announcing the offer
of a reward of up to $1 million.

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00:24:42,022 --> 00:24:44,107
Quickly you want to figure out
how to rule people out

387
00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:45,734
and how to rule people in.

388
00:24:47,986 --> 00:24:51,114
And so, we were looking
at every possible angle one could.

389
00:24:51,198 --> 00:24:56,620
Right? Someone at some point noticed
that certain letters were heavily bolded.

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00:24:56,703 --> 00:24:58,413
Some of the A's and the T's.

391
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What does that mean?

392
00:25:00,665 --> 00:25:03,293
Maybe it means nothing,
but maybe it means something.

393
00:25:03,376 --> 00:25:04,544
What could it mean?

394
00:25:05,295 --> 00:25:09,799
It's another thing to look at as
you're trying to narrow down who did this.

395
00:25:14,638 --> 00:25:17,140
[Bruce] This is the coolest part.
Look at this.

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The elongated morphology.

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00:25:19,142 --> 00:25:21,061
These, uh, centipede-looking things?

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00:25:21,144 --> 00:25:25,232
[Bruce] Each bacterium is coated
with a smooth mono-amino acid shell

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that blocks the T-cells
from recognizing it as a pathogen.

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00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:29,361
Understand?

401
00:25:29,444 --> 00:25:31,488
Not a word. Continue.

402
00:25:31,571 --> 00:25:32,822
[Bruce] That's how it survives.

403
00:25:32,906 --> 00:25:35,867
It makes itself seem harmless,
slips past the defenses.

404
00:25:36,826 --> 00:25:41,289
Even though there's about 15 labs
that produce the Ames strain,

405
00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:43,291
it's still sort of a needle in a haystack

406
00:25:43,375 --> 00:25:46,419
because you have no idea
which lab it came from.

407
00:25:46,503 --> 00:25:48,880
There was a couple of scientists
at USAMRIID

408
00:25:48,964 --> 00:25:52,217
who were working directly
with the powders from the letters.

409
00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:54,261
[tense ambient music playing]

410
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,184
They noticed that when they plated
the spores out onto Petri dishes

411
00:26:01,268 --> 00:26:02,769
at a small frequency,

412
00:26:02,852 --> 00:26:07,315
some of the anthrax looked different.
It had different morphology.

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00:26:09,776 --> 00:26:11,736
And those differences then

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00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:14,030
would be a way to figure out,

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00:26:14,114 --> 00:26:16,616
not just whether you have the Ames strain,

416
00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:18,577
but whether you actually
have the Ames strain

417
00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:21,079
that ended up in the anthrax letters.

418
00:26:22,497 --> 00:26:25,083
And sure enough, all of those samples

419
00:26:25,166 --> 00:26:28,628
that had the morphs were at USAMRIID.

420
00:26:40,807 --> 00:26:44,352
[Jeffrey] USAMRIID was founded
in the early '70s

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00:26:44,436 --> 00:26:46,980
as a biological defense organization.

422
00:26:47,063 --> 00:26:50,859
In particular, infectious diseases
that have been weaponized.

423
00:26:51,651 --> 00:26:53,903
So, like most of our scientists,

424
00:26:53,987 --> 00:26:57,282
I had this nagging sense that

425
00:26:57,365 --> 00:27:00,744
we, or somebody that we knew,
would be caught up,

426
00:27:00,827 --> 00:27:04,372
um, and… and accused of being behind this.

427
00:27:04,456 --> 00:27:07,083
When, in fact,
we had nothing to do with it.

428
00:27:07,792 --> 00:27:09,628
Doctor, for the record…

429
00:27:11,921 --> 00:27:15,175
Were you involved in any way
in the anthrax mailings

430
00:27:15,258 --> 00:27:17,510
of September and October, 2001?

431
00:27:17,594 --> 00:27:18,595
Absolutely not.

432
00:27:20,388 --> 00:27:22,641
Any ideas who might have been?

433
00:27:24,434 --> 00:27:26,603
Oh, yes. Lots.

434
00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:33,485
Not only do these two
particular researchers

435
00:27:33,568 --> 00:27:35,320
have access to the original strain, they--

436
00:27:37,781 --> 00:27:40,325
They also routinely make serial dilutions.

437
00:27:40,408 --> 00:27:42,827
We keep a detailed record
of all that activity.

438
00:27:47,707 --> 00:27:49,000
Appreciate your help.

439
00:27:49,501 --> 00:27:50,627
We'll be in touch.

440
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:52,796
[departing footsteps]

441
00:27:52,879 --> 00:27:55,173
[Paul] The FBI said, "Okay,

442
00:27:55,256 --> 00:27:58,093
all the people
who had access to the Ames strain,

443
00:27:58,635 --> 00:28:00,178
send us a sample."

444
00:28:02,639 --> 00:28:06,810
Under subpoena,
all of the scientists at USAMRIID,

445
00:28:06,893 --> 00:28:11,106
including Bruce, would have had
to have gone into their collection,

446
00:28:11,189 --> 00:28:13,066
sampled each of their tubes,

447
00:28:13,775 --> 00:28:19,823
and then the FBI would have sent
that to my laboratory for DNA analysis,

448
00:28:19,906 --> 00:28:22,283
and also for long-term storage.

449
00:28:22,367 --> 00:28:23,827
[ominous music playing]

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And when they did the analysis
for the morphs,

451
00:28:32,377 --> 00:28:35,714
none of the scientists' tubes
have the morphs.

452
00:28:38,216 --> 00:28:41,803
And so they weren't part
of the anthrax letters sources.

453
00:28:41,886 --> 00:28:43,221
[woman on TV] <i>Early on, many…</i>

454
00:28:43,304 --> 00:28:45,306
[Paul] Bruce was in the clear.

455
00:28:45,807 --> 00:28:48,768
<i>The anthrax was identified</i>
<i>as the Ames strain,</i>

456
00:28:48,852 --> 00:28:51,229
<i>commonly used in U.S. government labs.</i>

457
00:28:51,312 --> 00:28:55,567
<i>One of those labs is located on the</i>
<i>Fort Detrick Army Base in Maryland,</i>

458
00:28:55,650 --> 00:28:59,863
<i>but without a solid suspect,</i>
<i>conspiracy theories persist,</i>

459
00:28:59,946 --> 00:29:03,241
<i>especially since the killer</i>
<i>hasn't struck again.</i>

460
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,247
<i>Michael Jordan, in his first comments</i>
<i>since confirming his NBA comeback says…</i>

461
00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:11,082
[Braxton] You said you had
something for us.

462
00:29:11,166 --> 00:29:13,293
[Bruce] I sure do. This is really cool.

463
00:29:14,669 --> 00:29:18,423
You're gonna love this. It's…
Okay, here we go.

464
00:29:19,966 --> 00:29:23,178
[Brad] Now that Bruce Ivins
had been eliminated as a suspect…

465
00:29:23,261 --> 00:29:24,262
[sniffles]

466
00:29:24,345 --> 00:29:27,223
…he could help us maybe narrow this down.

467
00:29:28,641 --> 00:29:30,560
[Hayward] These are anthrax cultures.

468
00:29:30,643 --> 00:29:32,604
Agent Hayward, I'm very impressed.

469
00:29:32,687 --> 00:29:34,814
Yes, that's exactly what those are.

470
00:29:34,898 --> 00:29:37,525
Those are from my personal stock,

471
00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:39,444
straight from the source.

472
00:29:40,195 --> 00:29:43,198
Bruce was really enamored
by the idea that, you know,

473
00:29:43,281 --> 00:29:46,451
his contributions and through his science

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00:29:46,534 --> 00:29:48,745
would help them to solve this case.

475
00:29:49,412 --> 00:29:50,830
[Hayward] What else can you tell us?

476
00:29:55,001 --> 00:29:58,213
[Paul] Bruce's main project at the time
was a new vaccine.

477
00:29:59,714 --> 00:30:01,090
We were all vaccinated,

478
00:30:01,174 --> 00:30:04,469
but this was a vaccine
that went back decades and decades,

479
00:30:04,552 --> 00:30:07,180
and some people
who got that anthrax vaccine

480
00:30:07,263 --> 00:30:10,558
ended up with knots on their arms
the size of grapefruit.

481
00:30:11,142 --> 00:30:15,396
So he was trying to make a vaccine
that was just as effective,

482
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,816
but didn't cause the side effects.

483
00:30:17,899 --> 00:30:19,859
He was normal for a scientist,

484
00:30:19,943 --> 00:30:23,488
but he was out there a little bit
by your general population.

485
00:30:23,571 --> 00:30:28,284
He definitely was one of those geeky,
nerdy guys that you see across the room.

486
00:30:30,745 --> 00:30:34,415
Like me. Like me. [laughs]

487
00:30:34,499 --> 00:30:35,583
[sharp exhale]

488
00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:40,797
Okay, so, here are some of the most
objectionable aspects about me.

489
00:30:41,923 --> 00:30:43,591
One.

490
00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:47,220
Giving bad advice
when no advice was asked for or needed.

491
00:30:48,054 --> 00:30:50,056
Two. Being demanding.

492
00:30:50,682 --> 00:30:53,768
Three. Asking personal questions

493
00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:58,106
that are none of my business,
also known as the "Grand Ivins Inquiry."

494
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:02,986
[Jeffrey] He played piano,

495
00:31:03,069 --> 00:31:05,321
he fooled around with the banjo…

496
00:31:05,405 --> 00:31:07,240
You know, he had a lot
of talents like that.

497
00:31:07,323 --> 00:31:09,158
[bluegrass music plays]

498
00:31:09,242 --> 00:31:10,159
[man] Bruce!

499
00:31:10,243 --> 00:31:11,286
[Bruce] Shit!

500
00:31:12,203 --> 00:31:13,413
[Jeffrey chuckles]

501
00:31:13,496 --> 00:31:17,625
There's Bruce Ivins, you know,
doing, uh, something unusual again.

502
00:31:18,376 --> 00:31:20,837
[Bruce] Okay, so, four.

503
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,048
Interrupting people
and then monopolizing the conversations.

504
00:31:24,841 --> 00:31:27,635
-Five. Calling people at home.
-[line ringing]

505
00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:28,928
-[woman on phone] <i>Hello?</i>
-Hey.

506
00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:31,222
Six. Talking a mile a minute,

507
00:31:31,306 --> 00:31:35,018
and then asking several questions
without waiting for the answers.

508
00:31:36,644 --> 00:31:38,730
I think that pretty much covers it.

509
00:31:40,732 --> 00:31:42,984
<i>♪ Pretty girl is waitin' ♪</i>

510
00:31:43,067 --> 00:31:45,111
<i>♪ On down the line ♪</i>

511
00:31:45,194 --> 00:31:48,740
<i>♪ And I'm on my long journey home ♪</i>

512
00:31:48,823 --> 00:31:49,908
[song fades]

513
00:31:49,991 --> 00:31:53,369
[man on radio] <i>By the time a piece of mail</i>
<i>makes it through the postal system,</i>

514
00:31:53,453 --> 00:31:57,916
<i>it is gathered and dumped and sorted,</i>
<i>shaken, jostled, and squeezed.</i>

515
00:31:57,999 --> 00:32:00,710
<i>So everyone's a little edgy,</i>

516
00:32:00,793 --> 00:32:04,047
<i>no group more so</i>
<i>than the nation's postal workers.</i>

517
00:32:10,428 --> 00:32:14,974
[man] I'd just like to say that this is
a very sad time for the postal service.

518
00:32:15,683 --> 00:32:20,647
We mourn the loss
of two of our soldiers on the front line,

519
00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:24,150
and we're gonna do what we can, uh, to…

520
00:32:24,233 --> 00:32:25,944
to deliver America's mail.

521
00:32:29,989 --> 00:32:32,617
[Terrence] Finally, after ten days,

522
00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:35,578
the building had been shut down.

523
00:32:36,704 --> 00:32:41,834
They told us that everybody
more than likely had an exposure.

524
00:32:45,254 --> 00:32:47,173
[reporter 3]<i> More than 2,200</i>
<i>D.C. postal workers</i>

525
00:32:47,256 --> 00:32:50,093
<i>have been urged</i>
<i>to get tested for Anthrax exposure.</i>

526
00:32:50,176 --> 00:32:51,260
<i>Employees are being…</i>

527
00:32:51,344 --> 00:32:53,930
When it first came out,
when Congress got tested,

528
00:32:54,013 --> 00:32:55,723
everyone should have got tested.

529
00:32:57,225 --> 00:33:01,938
At Brentwood, they kept
the building open for 24 hours,

530
00:33:02,021 --> 00:33:04,107
seven days a week, for ten straight days.

531
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:06,693
[dramatic music playing]

532
00:33:09,112 --> 00:33:12,907
[Terrence] There were forklifts,
power oxes riding through.

533
00:33:13,658 --> 00:33:16,411
People moving around,
shuffling, spores flying everywhere.

534
00:33:16,494 --> 00:33:19,038
Machines running 35 miles an hour.

535
00:33:24,544 --> 00:33:28,423
And when you look back
at the Hart Senate Office Building,

536
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:35,054
what we see is what a building really
looks like when people are in danger.

537
00:33:36,097 --> 00:33:38,057
About 10:30 a.m. this morning,

538
00:33:38,141 --> 00:33:42,270
my office, uh, opened
a suspicious package,

539
00:33:43,104 --> 00:33:44,439
and the good news is that,

540
00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:46,774
uh, everyone will be okay.

541
00:33:47,358 --> 00:33:49,569
That building was shut down in two hours.

542
00:33:51,571 --> 00:33:54,407
Evacuated everybody,
tested everybody, everybody's safe.

543
00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:57,201
Two hundred and forty hours
versus two hours.

544
00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:02,290
The dogs got Cipro
on Capitol Hill before we did.

545
00:34:09,172 --> 00:34:11,007
They say there were five deaths.

546
00:34:11,090 --> 00:34:13,009
Seventeen people got sick.

547
00:34:13,092 --> 00:34:15,720
No, they don't know how many people…

548
00:34:15,803 --> 00:34:21,100
My x-rays show that my lungs
look like I've been a heavy smoker,

549
00:34:21,642 --> 00:34:24,062
or like I have a lung disease.

550
00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:26,689
I never smoked a day in my life.

551
00:34:26,773 --> 00:34:30,818
When this happens to you,
you become obsessed.

552
00:34:34,322 --> 00:34:36,991
[woman] <i>And then a picture</i>
<i>of the "No Photos" sign</i>

553
00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:40,286
<i>at the entrance</i>
<i>of the Brentwood Post Office,</i>

554
00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:42,955
<i>as well as the machinery</i>

555
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:44,665
<i>and the tents</i>

556
00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:50,004
<i>in which these Hazmat teams, uh,</i>
<i>worked out of.</i>

557
00:34:50,963 --> 00:34:56,177
<i>The tunnels leading up</i>
<i>to the building to put the…</i>

558
00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:57,887
[man 1]<i> The chlorine dioxide.</i>

559
00:34:57,970 --> 00:34:59,347
[woman] <i>Dioxide…</i>

560
00:34:59,430 --> 00:35:01,390
[man 2] <i>Zoom in on… on…</i>

561
00:35:03,851 --> 00:35:06,854
<i>Okay, yeah.</i>
<i>They got warnings on the building here.</i>

562
00:35:08,481 --> 00:35:12,485
[Dena] This was about them knowing
that the building was contaminated

563
00:35:12,568 --> 00:35:15,655
and keeping us in there
and jeopardizing our lives.

564
00:35:17,907 --> 00:35:19,659
They… They should have done better.

565
00:35:23,663 --> 00:35:26,666
[propulsive music playing]

566
00:35:29,001 --> 00:35:31,420
[reporter 4] <i>For two months,</i>
<i>investigators have been searching</i>

567
00:35:31,504 --> 00:35:33,965
<i>for the culprit</i>
<i>in the anthrax-by-mail attacks.</i>

568
00:35:34,465 --> 00:35:36,634
[car horns honking]

569
00:35:36,717 --> 00:35:40,847
That's one thing that lurks in the back
of a lot of postal people's mind,

570
00:35:40,930 --> 00:35:44,433
that it's been done once, and they
got away with it, they could do it again.

571
00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:46,435
And then we'll be right back
where we started.

572
00:35:48,312 --> 00:35:51,190
[reporter 5] <i>Who sent letters laced</i>
<i>with the biological hazard and why?</i>

573
00:35:51,941 --> 00:35:55,903
[reporter 6] <i>An invisible enemy</i>
<i>killing Americans, one breath at a time.</i>

574
00:35:57,196 --> 00:35:58,781
[reporter 7] <i>Just like DNA,</i>

575
00:35:58,865 --> 00:36:02,076
<i>we're solving crimes today</i>
<i>that we couldn't solve ten years ago</i>

576
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,037
<i>because science has improved.</i>
<i>We hope that's going to be the case</i>

577
00:36:05,121 --> 00:36:06,873
<i>with the anthrax case also.</i>

578
00:36:12,712 --> 00:36:15,590
[newscaster] <i>It's been nine months</i>
<i>since the wave of deadly anthrax letters</i>

579
00:36:15,673 --> 00:36:17,800
<i>began passing through the U.S. mail.</i>

580
00:36:17,884 --> 00:36:21,470
New York Times<i> columnist</i>
<i>Nicholas Kristof joins us now live.</i>

581
00:36:21,554 --> 00:36:24,182
<i>You've come up</i>
<i>with some suspicions of your own.</i>

582
00:36:24,265 --> 00:36:26,309
<i>Why don't you</i>
<i>tell our viewers what they are?</i>

583
00:36:26,392 --> 00:36:29,061
<i>He's somebody</i>
<i>who's in the biodefense community,</i>

584
00:36:29,145 --> 00:36:32,690
<i>uh, in the kind of</i>
<i>military intelligence establishment.</i>

585
00:36:32,773 --> 00:36:34,859
There's been a lot of buzz about him,

586
00:36:34,942 --> 00:36:40,615
uh, as somebody that people think
should be investigated a lot more closely.

587
00:36:44,702 --> 00:36:48,206
[woman] The block has been
kind of swarming with guys in suits.

588
00:36:48,873 --> 00:36:50,124
[brakes squealing]

589
00:36:53,336 --> 00:36:57,131
[woman] They just showed us a picture,
asked if we had recognized this fella.

590
00:36:58,216 --> 00:37:00,676
A gentleman with kind of dark hair,
a bushy mustache,

591
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,470
kind of close-set eyes.

592
00:37:02,553 --> 00:37:05,014
[tense music playing]

593
00:37:05,097 --> 00:37:07,058
[reporter 1] <i>FBI agents</i>
<i>have searched the apartment</i>

594
00:37:07,141 --> 00:37:10,478
<i>of a former Army researcher</i>
<i>named Dr. Steven Hatfill.</i>

595
00:37:12,688 --> 00:37:17,568
There was a lot of… aspects
of what Dr. Hatfill had done and said,

596
00:37:17,652 --> 00:37:21,239
uh, that made him, quite appropriately,

597
00:37:21,322 --> 00:37:22,990
the leading suspect.

598
00:37:23,074 --> 00:37:26,953
[man 1] He was fired in 1999
for violating lab procedures

599
00:37:27,036 --> 00:37:29,372
and then he got a job
with a government contractor

600
00:37:29,455 --> 00:37:32,500
and lost that security clearance
for that job,

601
00:37:32,583 --> 00:37:34,585
August 23rd of 2001.

602
00:37:34,669 --> 00:37:37,797
Just about a month
before the anthrax went in the mail.

603
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,509
[man 2]<i> He was polygraphed three times,</i>
<i>each of those three showed evasions.</i>

604
00:37:41,592 --> 00:37:43,719
[man 3] <i>His resumes</i>
<i>were a skeleton of truth.</i>

605
00:37:43,803 --> 00:37:45,888
[man 4] <i>He was mad at the world,</i>
<i>at the government.</i>

606
00:37:45,972 --> 00:37:49,850
[reporter 2] <i>A study that he commissioned</i>
<i>described a fictional terrorist attack.</i>

607
00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:52,478
[reporter 3] <i>Federal agents searched</i>
<i>Steven Hatfill's Maryland home</i>

608
00:37:52,561 --> 00:37:53,896
<i>for a second time.</i>

609
00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:57,483
<i>Hatfill has denied any involvement</i>
<i>in the anthrax attacks.</i>

610
00:37:58,609 --> 00:38:00,486
Let me just be clear here.

611
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,405
And to be fair.

612
00:38:03,531 --> 00:38:07,410
This is the first bio-terror attack
in our nation's history.

613
00:38:07,493 --> 00:38:09,745
None of us were prepared for it.

614
00:38:11,956 --> 00:38:16,502
It scared the American public.
It scared Congress.

615
00:38:16,585 --> 00:38:20,798
But nothing justified the treatment
that he received here, nothing whatsoever.

616
00:38:22,425 --> 00:38:24,468
I'll give you some sound checks, fellas.

617
00:38:24,552 --> 00:38:26,345
Tell me if this works for you.

618
00:38:26,429 --> 00:38:29,223
[Tom] And so I came on to represent him

619
00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:31,100
in a case that if it was brought,

620
00:38:31,183 --> 00:38:33,394
was undoubtedly
going to be a death penalty case.

621
00:38:34,103 --> 00:38:37,023
Dr. Hatfill deserves to get his life back,

622
00:38:37,648 --> 00:38:41,527
and the American public
deserves a real investigation.

623
00:38:41,610 --> 00:38:43,946
-[shutters clicking]
-[reporters chattering]

624
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:46,449
[Tom] Look what actually
happened here. Okay?

625
00:38:47,408 --> 00:38:49,452
They signal to the American public

626
00:38:49,535 --> 00:38:52,663
that Dr. Hatfill was the person
who committed this horrendous attack.

627
00:38:52,747 --> 00:38:54,582
[reporter] <i>Is Dr. Hatfill a suspect?</i>

628
00:38:55,207 --> 00:38:57,460
Well, he's a person of interest.

629
00:38:57,543 --> 00:38:58,586
"Person of interest."

630
00:38:58,669 --> 00:39:02,631
[overlapping reporters speaking]
Person of interest…

631
00:39:02,715 --> 00:39:05,718
[ominous music playing]

632
00:39:05,801 --> 00:39:09,597
It had such a huge draw from the media.

633
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,390
And, like, they're all over the place,

634
00:39:11,474 --> 00:39:14,310
and there's helicopters
above his apartment.

635
00:39:15,144 --> 00:39:19,273
A couple of dopey agents
fell madly in love with him.

636
00:39:19,357 --> 00:39:22,234
It was like a teenage romance crush,

637
00:39:22,318 --> 00:39:25,863
and they just kept pushing
a round peg in a square hole.

638
00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:31,369
They essentially engaged in a campaign

639
00:39:31,452 --> 00:39:33,371
with their friends in the press

640
00:39:33,454 --> 00:39:36,082
to continually suggest
to the American public

641
00:39:36,165 --> 00:39:38,709
that Dr. Hatfill
has committed this offense.

642
00:39:38,793 --> 00:39:41,670
They did so without any evidence
because they were happy

643
00:39:41,754 --> 00:39:43,255
to have a patsy here,

644
00:39:43,339 --> 00:39:45,674
to suggest to the public
that we're making progress.

645
00:39:47,134 --> 00:39:50,221
It says to me that there's some
good gumshoe detective work going on

646
00:39:50,304 --> 00:39:52,014
and they're hot on the trail of somebody.

647
00:39:56,602 --> 00:39:59,688
People had differing views
about how much they believe

648
00:39:59,772 --> 00:40:02,149
whether Hatfill was the right guy or not.

649
00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:05,069
But the problem is they
just couldn't eliminate Steven.

650
00:40:05,861 --> 00:40:09,198
They had me
actually interview him more than once.

651
00:40:09,281 --> 00:40:13,077
You know, we start talking about,
you know, his history with anthrax.

652
00:40:15,329 --> 00:40:18,249
And he says, "You guys don't believe me."

653
00:40:18,332 --> 00:40:20,334
"You think I did this."

654
00:40:20,835 --> 00:40:23,879
And, you know,
my response to that was "Well, Steve,

655
00:40:23,963 --> 00:40:27,258
did you do it?" And he says,
"Of course not, I didn't do it."

656
00:40:28,551 --> 00:40:31,637
But the bureau still thought
he was the right guy,

657
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,764
and that's… that's why they moved forward.

658
00:40:34,682 --> 00:40:35,933
Now, one possible outcome

659
00:40:36,016 --> 00:40:40,354
sources suggest is that the government
could bring charges against Hatfill

660
00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:42,898
unrelated to the anthrax attacks at all,

661
00:40:42,982 --> 00:40:44,233
if they become convinced

662
00:40:44,316 --> 00:40:46,819
that's the only way
to stop future incidents…

663
00:40:46,902 --> 00:40:48,362
[newscaster] And still no arrests,

664
00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:52,032
even though investigators believe
they know who the culprit is

665
00:40:52,116 --> 00:40:53,492
and where he is.

666
00:40:53,576 --> 00:40:54,910
What's going on here?

667
00:40:54,994 --> 00:40:58,497
[ominous music playing]

668
00:40:58,581 --> 00:41:00,541
This is, like, real pressure.

669
00:41:00,624 --> 00:41:03,961
You have him under surveillance 24-7.

670
00:41:04,044 --> 00:41:06,839
You're following him every place he goes.

671
00:41:06,922 --> 00:41:09,675
[reporter] <i>And he's often</i>
<i>publicly tailed by the FBI</i>

672
00:41:09,758 --> 00:41:12,845
<i>so closely that an agent drove over</i>
<i>his foot three months ago.</i>

673
00:41:12,928 --> 00:41:14,138
[barking]

674
00:41:14,763 --> 00:41:16,390
The fuckin' dogs.

675
00:41:17,808 --> 00:41:19,435
They opened the doors of the apartment

676
00:41:19,518 --> 00:41:22,605
and one of the dogs just
excitedly bounded across the room

677
00:41:22,688 --> 00:41:24,815
and went straight up to Dr. Hatfill.

678
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:29,195
Now, what they didn't tell

679
00:41:29,278 --> 00:41:32,740
was that the dogs
alerted on eight or nine other scientists.

680
00:41:33,949 --> 00:41:37,244
So, that's the equivalent
of saying-- telling your boss,

681
00:41:37,328 --> 00:41:39,914
"Hey, I've got Dan's
fingerprints on a gun,"

682
00:41:39,997 --> 00:41:41,248
and not telling him,

683
00:41:41,332 --> 00:41:45,586
"By the way, I got ten other fingerprints
on the gun that aren't Dan's."

684
00:41:45,669 --> 00:41:48,088
This is in-your-face harassment.

685
00:41:48,672 --> 00:41:50,299
This was not surveillance.

686
00:41:50,382 --> 00:41:52,718
This was a design to sweat him.

687
00:41:54,053 --> 00:41:58,224
The pressure the criminal suspect has
when the FBI has them under scrutiny,

688
00:41:58,307 --> 00:42:00,434
can lead them to break
and do awful things,

689
00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:02,061
including committing suicide.

690
00:42:02,645 --> 00:42:04,730
He was so… [hesitates]

691
00:42:04,813 --> 00:42:07,399
…distressed about the media,

692
00:42:07,483 --> 00:42:09,443
and for whatever reason,

693
00:42:09,527 --> 00:42:11,779
they knew where
we were going to interview him.

694
00:42:12,821 --> 00:42:15,199
I mean, it got so bad at one location

695
00:42:15,282 --> 00:42:19,203
that we actually put him in the back
of a vehicle and took him to a hotel.

696
00:42:23,499 --> 00:42:26,502
[Rachel] I wasn't there and I'm not
going to judge the day-to-day on that,

697
00:42:26,585 --> 00:42:27,586
but I will say,

698
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:32,091
when you have somebody who you think
committed this major bioweapons attack,

699
00:42:32,174 --> 00:42:34,802
you're gonna want to look
at every aspect of his life

700
00:42:34,885 --> 00:42:37,846
and you're going to want
to interview his friends

701
00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:40,599
and you're going to want to perhaps
physically surveil him.

702
00:42:40,683 --> 00:42:44,520
It's… It frankly would be malpractice
if they hadn't done some of those things.

703
00:42:45,271 --> 00:42:47,398
[Tom] Of course he should
have been investigated.

704
00:42:47,481 --> 00:42:50,359
No one has ever complained

705
00:42:50,442 --> 00:42:52,861
that the FBI shouldn't have looked at him.

706
00:42:52,945 --> 00:42:54,321
The complaint is,

707
00:42:54,863 --> 00:42:59,535
you wrenched him from all the other people
that they were looking at

708
00:42:59,618 --> 00:43:02,830
and put him forefront
in the American public and said,

709
00:43:02,913 --> 00:43:03,956
"He's our guy."

710
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:06,584
That's what happened here,
and that's the complaint.

711
00:43:06,667 --> 00:43:09,795
[reporters clamoring]

712
00:43:12,172 --> 00:43:13,549
[reporter 1] Over here, please.

713
00:43:16,385 --> 00:43:19,263
[Tom] Guess what?
Once you burn a man's house down,

714
00:43:20,055 --> 00:43:21,890
and then take his clothes

715
00:43:21,974 --> 00:43:23,892
and then spit in his face…

716
00:43:24,518 --> 00:43:26,061
Guess what?

717
00:43:26,145 --> 00:43:27,605
He's gonna fight back.

718
00:43:27,688 --> 00:43:28,731
[shutters clicking]

719
00:43:28,814 --> 00:43:31,275
[intense music playing]

720
00:43:37,531 --> 00:43:39,325
Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

721
00:43:40,367 --> 00:43:41,952
My name is Steve Hatfill.

722
00:43:42,953 --> 00:43:46,749
After one of the most intensive
public and private investigations

723
00:43:46,832 --> 00:43:49,627
in American history, no one,

724
00:43:49,710 --> 00:43:53,088
<i>no one</i> has come up
with a shred of evidence

725
00:43:53,172 --> 00:43:54,840
that I had anything to do

726
00:43:54,923 --> 00:43:56,508
with the anthrax letters.

727
00:43:57,134 --> 00:43:59,762
I am not the Anthrax Killer!

728
00:44:09,605 --> 00:44:12,066
We're almost a year now
into the anthrax investigation

729
00:44:12,149 --> 00:44:14,902
and the FBI doesn't have
a clue who's responsible.

730
00:44:14,985 --> 00:44:17,571
[reporter 2] <i>FBI officials say</i>
<i>there are just too many questions</i>

731
00:44:17,655 --> 00:44:19,281
<i>about Hatfill to back off now.</i>

732
00:44:19,365 --> 00:44:21,784
Some involved in the case
are clearly frustrated.

733
00:44:21,867 --> 00:44:25,245
More than 18 months later,
there has not been one single arrest…

734
00:44:25,329 --> 00:44:27,998
And it does seem like the FBI
works very slowly,

735
00:44:28,082 --> 00:44:29,166
which makes us wonder…

736
00:44:29,249 --> 00:44:32,086
Well, it's like this. It's not television.

737
00:44:32,169 --> 00:44:33,796
There's a lot of legwork…

738
00:44:33,879 --> 00:44:35,297
[reporter 1] <i>Does it disappoint you?</i>

739
00:44:35,381 --> 00:44:38,592
<i>A case like this,</i>
<i>unsolved, no arrests, no indictment?</i>

740
00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:41,428
[reporter 2] <i>As of this moment,</i>
<i>is he still being investigated?</i>

741
00:44:41,512 --> 00:44:43,555
<i>We may not have the admissible evidence</i>

742
00:44:44,139 --> 00:44:46,392
<i>that we need</i>
<i>in order to prove it in court.</i>

743
00:44:47,267 --> 00:44:49,603
[reporter 3] <i>Remember the anthrax scare?</i>

744
00:44:49,687 --> 00:44:53,357
It was five years ago today
that a photographer in Florida…

745
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,442
[reporter 4] <i>There's a split at the FBI</i>

746
00:44:55,526 --> 00:44:58,821
<i>with some agents</i>
<i>now thinking Hatfill didn't do it,</i>

747
00:44:58,904 --> 00:45:01,115
<i>but others still believe he did.</i>

748
00:45:05,661 --> 00:45:08,664
It's one of the largest
FBI investigations ever

749
00:45:08,747 --> 00:45:11,125
with more than 9,000 interviews,

750
00:45:11,208 --> 00:45:14,920
6,000 subpoenas, and 67 separate searches.

751
00:45:15,003 --> 00:45:17,965
The FBI insists this case remains active.

752
00:45:18,674 --> 00:45:20,676
The fatal flaw that some people have is

753
00:45:20,759 --> 00:45:23,470
trying to prove
that somebody committed a crime,

754
00:45:24,179 --> 00:45:26,348
versus just investigating the crime.

755
00:45:30,269 --> 00:45:32,688
The investigation had been going on
for five years,

756
00:45:32,771 --> 00:45:36,400
and Director Mueller
wanted to have some new eyes in there.

757
00:45:37,443 --> 00:45:39,862
And so I took over the investigation.

758
00:45:40,696 --> 00:45:42,614
I told the team, "This case might be old,

759
00:45:42,698 --> 00:45:45,075
but it's not stale
and it's not like we don't care."

760
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,703
"We still have, you know,
resources dedicated to it."

761
00:45:47,786 --> 00:45:50,998
We told everybody--
Like, we empowered them to investigate.

762
00:45:55,794 --> 00:45:57,379
[Rachel] At that point,

763
00:45:57,463 --> 00:46:00,257
there was an incredibly
aggressive development of the science,

764
00:46:01,049 --> 00:46:04,803
and it became the game-changing piece
of the investigation.

765
00:46:06,513 --> 00:46:09,933
[Paul] Previously, nobody was
sequencing genomes.

766
00:46:10,017 --> 00:46:12,603
It's what we call a pre-genomics era.

767
00:46:12,686 --> 00:46:15,105
We were using DNA
to identify the Ames strain,

768
00:46:15,189 --> 00:46:17,524
but we hadn't sequenced the whole genome.

769
00:46:18,942 --> 00:46:21,361
[Vince] What they wanted to do
was develop a DNA fingerprint

770
00:46:21,445 --> 00:46:22,988
for the spores that were mailed

771
00:46:23,071 --> 00:46:25,115
to see if we could identify the parent.

772
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:28,494
[dramatic music playing]

773
00:46:34,917 --> 00:46:37,419
And we did it
because the technology improved,

774
00:46:37,503 --> 00:46:40,255
but also because we had a lot of money.

775
00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:45,093
This was the most expensive investigation
that the FBI ever carried out.

776
00:46:50,891 --> 00:46:53,894
Then they compared the DNA fingerprints

777
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,814
that they had identified
in the spores that were mailed

778
00:46:56,897 --> 00:46:58,857
to everything they'd collected.

779
00:47:03,487 --> 00:47:07,825
[Paul] Those all traced back
to a single flask…

780
00:47:10,494 --> 00:47:12,329
called RMR-1029.

781
00:47:13,789 --> 00:47:17,584
And then on top of that,
we found out that this was a flask

782
00:47:17,668 --> 00:47:21,839
of anthrax spores that Bruce Ivins
had created for his experiments.

783
00:47:23,382 --> 00:47:25,634
["Hard Times Come Again No More" playing]

784
00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:34,434
<i>♪ Oh, hard times come again no more ♪</i>

785
00:47:36,270 --> 00:47:38,313
<i>♪ It's a song ♪</i>

786
00:47:38,397 --> 00:47:42,609
<i>♪ A sigh of the weary ♪</i>

787
00:47:43,527 --> 00:47:46,363
<i>♪ Hard times, hard times ♪</i>

788
00:47:46,446 --> 00:47:48,907
<i>♪ Come again no more ♪</i>

789
00:47:48,991 --> 00:47:50,617
<i>♪ Many days… ♪</i>

790
00:47:50,701 --> 00:47:52,870
[Rachel] At the beginning
of this investigation,

791
00:47:52,953 --> 00:47:54,788
it was this global whodunit.

792
00:47:56,248 --> 00:48:00,377
The global whodunit has now shrunk
to one flask in one walk-in cooler,

793
00:48:00,460 --> 00:48:03,589
in one lab,
created and maintained by one guy.

794
00:48:06,133 --> 00:48:07,009
[song halts]

795
00:48:07,593 --> 00:48:09,803
[interviewer] Do we know
definitively at that point

796
00:48:09,887 --> 00:48:12,097
that Bruce Ivins sent the letters?

797
00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:13,307
No. Uh…

798
00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:17,394
RMR-1029 was a resource
that was used by many people.

799
00:48:17,477 --> 00:48:20,981
Some of the material from that
had even been sent to my laboratory.

800
00:48:23,609 --> 00:48:26,111
So, we looked at the relevant time period

801
00:48:26,194 --> 00:48:30,490
and said, "Okay, who had access
to RMR-1029 during this time period?"

802
00:48:33,869 --> 00:48:38,290
The FBI swung back around
and started focusing on USAMRIID again.

803
00:48:40,876 --> 00:48:43,587
We were right back
under the magnifying glass.

804
00:48:47,507 --> 00:48:51,178
We were one of the few institutes
that fully cooperated with them.

805
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:55,223
Not only providing
the expertise and the assistance,

806
00:48:55,307 --> 00:48:59,436
but giving full access
to all of our written records,

807
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:01,396
all of our biological samples,

808
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,943
providing anything and everything
that they wanted, on a voluntary basis.

809
00:49:06,693 --> 00:49:09,404
But then, because
you've created records of everything,

810
00:49:09,488 --> 00:49:11,865
that gives them something to sift through,

811
00:49:11,949 --> 00:49:14,326
and if something similar is found,

812
00:49:15,035 --> 00:49:19,539
it's going to label you
as the originator of this attack material.

813
00:49:20,832 --> 00:49:23,335
You know, that was disconcerting
for a lot of people

814
00:49:23,418 --> 00:49:26,088
because it created
a lot of fear and paranoia.

815
00:49:33,887 --> 00:49:35,806
[Vince] Each one of them
became a suspect, right?

816
00:49:35,889 --> 00:49:37,849
Get me a rock-solid alibi.

817
00:49:39,851 --> 00:49:43,105
We had some people on the list
that we had phone records,

818
00:49:43,188 --> 00:49:46,733
where they were on the phone with
their spouse who was overseas at the time.

819
00:49:47,567 --> 00:49:50,570
Right? So there's no way
they could have driven to Princeton

820
00:49:50,654 --> 00:49:52,781
on the 17th or 18th of September

821
00:49:52,864 --> 00:49:54,700
and mailed the letters.

822
00:49:57,244 --> 00:49:59,204
We checked everybody else off the list.

823
00:50:03,709 --> 00:50:07,004
[Vince] But then,
the more we investigated Bruce,

824
00:50:07,087 --> 00:50:08,755
the more things that came to light.

825
00:50:12,884 --> 00:50:16,054
One of the things that stuck out
was his time in the hot suites,

826
00:50:16,138 --> 00:50:18,140
leading up to the attacks.

827
00:50:18,223 --> 00:50:20,684
[beeping]

828
00:50:20,767 --> 00:50:24,646
Late at nights and on weekends
and into the wee hours of the morning.

829
00:50:25,647 --> 00:50:28,608
And going into a hot suite
isn't just going into a room.

830
00:50:30,777 --> 00:50:34,322
And then there was a break
for about a week or so,

831
00:50:34,406 --> 00:50:37,117
and then it picked up again
where he was back in there.

832
00:50:38,535 --> 00:50:42,497
Then he had all these hours in there
leading up to the second mailing.

833
00:50:44,374 --> 00:50:45,834
Never before, never since,

834
00:50:45,917 --> 00:50:47,794
did he have time
in the hot suites like that.

835
00:50:50,839 --> 00:50:53,717
[Rachel] That, standing alone, is not
proof beyond a reasonable doubt,

836
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,303
but it's certainly
a brick in the wall of evidence.

837
00:50:56,386 --> 00:50:58,055
Now with the additional knowledge

838
00:50:58,138 --> 00:51:01,058
that, whoa, we think
this identified flask of spores

839
00:51:01,141 --> 00:51:04,186
that was created and maintained
by Dr. Ivins

840
00:51:04,269 --> 00:51:06,021
is the source of the murder weapon, right?

841
00:51:06,104 --> 00:51:08,440
Is the source of the mailed material.

842
00:51:08,523 --> 00:51:10,609
Let's go back
and take a look at everything he has said

843
00:51:10,692 --> 00:51:12,486
and everything he's done,
in a different light.

844
00:51:12,569 --> 00:51:15,781
[ominous music playing]

845
00:51:15,864 --> 00:51:18,533
[Rachel] Going back and looking
at statements he had given.

846
00:51:24,539 --> 00:51:28,710
Was he sabotaging, undermining,
misdirecting the investigation?

847
00:51:29,836 --> 00:51:31,213
Did he try to distract?

848
00:51:31,755 --> 00:51:33,590
I had one other thought.

849
00:51:33,673 --> 00:51:35,258
Iraq, for instance.

850
00:51:35,342 --> 00:51:36,802
What else can you tell us?

851
00:51:36,885 --> 00:51:39,179
-[knock on door]
-Oh. Hey, guys.

852
00:51:39,262 --> 00:51:40,764
Did he try to deflect?

853
00:51:41,389 --> 00:51:42,641
[Bruce] Get a load of this.

854
00:51:42,724 --> 00:51:45,894
Those are from my personal stock,
straight from the source.

855
00:51:45,977 --> 00:51:47,479
What else can you tell us?

856
00:51:47,562 --> 00:51:49,898
[Rachel] Did he identify certain suspects

857
00:51:49,981 --> 00:51:53,318
depending on his personal feelings
towards that person at the time?

858
00:51:53,401 --> 00:51:55,570
[Bruce] Not only do these two
particular researchers

859
00:51:55,654 --> 00:51:59,366
have access to the original strain,
they also routinely make serial dilutions.

860
00:52:00,492 --> 00:52:01,910
[Hayward] What else can you tell us?

861
00:52:01,993 --> 00:52:05,122
Did he try to send
investigators in different directions?

862
00:52:05,205 --> 00:52:07,999
-Can you get us copies?
-I'll fax them over this afternoon.

863
00:52:08,875 --> 00:52:10,794
What else can you tell us?

864
00:52:11,586 --> 00:52:12,587
Lots.

865
00:52:13,088 --> 00:52:15,173
[dramatic music playing]

866
00:52:15,257 --> 00:52:20,428
[Rachel] Here is this super respected,
talented scientist within the government,

867
00:52:22,180 --> 00:52:25,350
giving advice about, you know,
what to pursue and what not to pursue.

868
00:52:26,268 --> 00:52:29,896
[Hayward, voice echoing]
What else can you tell us?

869
00:52:32,482 --> 00:52:35,944
[Rachel] There was now
absolutely a concerted focus on Dr. Ivins.

870
00:52:43,326 --> 00:52:46,663
-[country song playing]
<i>-♪ Take me by the hand ♪</i>

871
00:52:46,746 --> 00:52:50,584
<i>♪ I will always understand… ♪</i>

872
00:52:50,667 --> 00:52:52,669
[song continues faintly]

873
00:52:55,714 --> 00:52:56,715
[song stops]

874
00:52:58,675 --> 00:53:00,594
[Vince] You know,
this guy checks a lot of boxes

875
00:53:00,677 --> 00:53:02,679
when you talk about an insider threat.

876
00:53:04,139 --> 00:53:07,309
We found out that
he had some mental health issues,

877
00:53:07,392 --> 00:53:10,270
that it was common
for him to leave at night and come home

878
00:53:10,353 --> 00:53:12,939
sometime the next morning,
without his wife knowing.

879
00:53:13,857 --> 00:53:18,069
He maintained P.O. boxes
in different names at different locations.

880
00:53:18,153 --> 00:53:19,821
He would drive to remote locations

881
00:53:19,905 --> 00:53:22,324
and mail something
to conceal his identity.

882
00:53:25,452 --> 00:53:26,953
[man] Dr. Ivins.

883
00:53:27,037 --> 00:53:29,122
We're with the FBI.

884
00:53:29,789 --> 00:53:32,292
[female agent] We'd like to speak
with you, sir. Won't take long.

885
00:53:32,918 --> 00:53:37,172
Now? Uh, I was supposed to be home
an hour ago. Uh, my wife--

886
00:53:37,255 --> 00:53:39,216
Your wife is being taken care of.

887
00:53:41,885 --> 00:53:43,637
What… What does that mean?

888
00:53:44,512 --> 00:53:48,433
Sir, we're currently executing
a federal grand jury search warrant

889
00:53:48,516 --> 00:53:49,434
at your home.

890
00:53:49,517 --> 00:53:50,810
[ominous music playing]

891
00:53:50,894 --> 00:53:53,480
[Vince] That's when we jumped
out of the cake, right?

892
00:53:53,563 --> 00:53:56,608
"Hey, Bruce, we're executing
a search warrant at your house."

893
00:53:57,275 --> 00:53:59,945
"You are a big suspect in this."

894
00:54:00,487 --> 00:54:03,156
[male agent] We've arranged a hotel
for you and your family,

895
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:04,699
just until the search is complete.

896
00:54:04,783 --> 00:54:06,618
We've got a car just over here.

897
00:54:08,662 --> 00:54:11,498
Uh, no, thank you. I… I need to go home.

898
00:54:14,292 --> 00:54:16,878
We'll see you
on the ten o'clock news, then.

899
00:54:19,339 --> 00:54:21,299
[male agent] Doctor, you go home,

900
00:54:21,383 --> 00:54:23,218
it's going to cause a major scene.

901
00:54:23,301 --> 00:54:24,970
Neighbors start talking.

902
00:54:25,971 --> 00:54:28,265
[male agent] Next thing you know,
news trucks are rolling in

903
00:54:28,348 --> 00:54:29,933
like the third armored brigade.

904
00:54:30,767 --> 00:54:32,394
[female agent] You don't really want that.

905
00:54:33,144 --> 00:54:34,354
Do you, Dr. Ivins?

906
00:54:52,497 --> 00:54:54,916
Where's Agent Hayward?
I always work with Agent--

907
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,627
Agent Hayward is no longer
assigned to this case.

908
00:54:58,628 --> 00:55:02,299
What? No. No, you don't understand.
Hayward is my contact--

909
00:55:02,382 --> 00:55:04,301
I know this is upsetting.

910
00:55:04,384 --> 00:55:06,594
Best thing is to remain calm,
let us do our work.

911
00:55:06,678 --> 00:55:08,471
I think I just-- I need you to stop.

912
00:55:08,555 --> 00:55:10,140
Stop the car. Stop.

913
00:55:17,897 --> 00:55:19,899
[Bruce] You-- You're saying it was me?

914
00:55:19,983 --> 00:55:21,943
You think--
You think I sent those letters?

915
00:55:22,027 --> 00:55:23,486
That I'm some kind of terrorist?

916
00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:24,612
No one's saying that.

917
00:55:24,696 --> 00:55:28,283
I'm a patriot. I've worked my entire life
protecting American lives.

918
00:55:28,366 --> 00:55:30,201
Sir, please.

919
00:55:30,827 --> 00:55:33,038
[male agent] Let's just all keep our heads

920
00:55:33,121 --> 00:55:34,956
and give the team a chance to do its work.

921
00:55:35,874 --> 00:55:37,542
How does that sound, Doctor?

922
00:55:55,393 --> 00:55:56,728
[Vince] To be quite honest,

923
00:55:56,811 --> 00:55:59,272
we didn't come out of there
with a silver bullet.

924
00:55:59,898 --> 00:56:02,859
There were some people that thought
that he would've kept a souvenir.

925
00:56:03,777 --> 00:56:07,155
Right? And we're like,
"What souvenir are we gonna find?"

926
00:56:08,156 --> 00:56:10,200
And there wasn't that much.

927
00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:13,870
But then a couple guys
on the team had a great idea.

928
00:56:15,497 --> 00:56:17,540
[dog barking]

929
00:56:17,624 --> 00:56:20,418
[Vince] Two nights later was trash night.

930
00:56:21,628 --> 00:56:23,880
See what he throws out
that we may have missed.

931
00:56:30,512 --> 00:56:33,473
Unbeknownst to him,
was an FBI agent holding his breath,

932
00:56:33,556 --> 00:56:36,476
standing motionless
so that Bruce wouldn't see him.

933
00:56:42,565 --> 00:56:46,486
He clearly wanted to make sure that
nobody recovered what he threw away.

934
00:57:00,208 --> 00:57:04,712
[airplane engine roaring]

935
00:57:12,512 --> 00:57:17,183
[Paul] I was in Washington at a conference
in a hotel out near Dulles Airport.

936
00:57:17,267 --> 00:57:19,686
-[applause]
-[static hisses]

937
00:57:19,769 --> 00:57:20,937
Welcome, everyone.

938
00:57:21,688 --> 00:57:26,192
And the FBI knew I was there and so
they actually set up a meeting for me.

939
00:57:27,485 --> 00:57:29,737
There were<i>,</i> like, 20 people there,

940
00:57:29,821 --> 00:57:33,283
and they didn't have lights shining on me
or anything like an interrogation,

941
00:57:33,366 --> 00:57:37,162
but it kind of felt that way.
It kind of felt like that environment.

942
00:57:37,245 --> 00:57:39,164
And we sat down and one of them

943
00:57:39,247 --> 00:57:43,168
reassured me that, uh,
they were not there to arrest me.

944
00:57:43,251 --> 00:57:46,754
It was like, "That had never
crossed my mind until just now

945
00:57:46,838 --> 00:57:48,548
that you might be here to arrest me."

946
00:57:50,467 --> 00:57:54,721
And they started pulling out emails
that I had sent to Bruce Ivins.

947
00:57:56,556 --> 00:58:00,310
They were trying to figure out if there
was any information in these emails

948
00:58:00,393 --> 00:58:04,606
that might have tipped off Bruce Ivins
about the analysis that we were doing.

949
00:58:06,357 --> 00:58:09,402
That's when a kind of light
went off in my head, said,

950
00:58:09,486 --> 00:58:10,778
"They're looking at Bruce."

951
00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:16,951
Many of his co-workers defended him
and said, "No, it couldn't be Bruce."

952
00:58:17,035 --> 00:58:21,956
And when we pointed to strange behaviors,
you know… [hesitates]

953
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,084
…things that Bruce did, it was always,
"Well, that's just Bruce being Bruce."

954
00:58:25,168 --> 00:58:27,754
That was the common phrase we heard.
"That's Bruce being Bruce."

955
00:58:30,465 --> 00:58:33,718
But from looking at Bruce's emails,

956
00:58:33,801 --> 00:58:35,261
it was clear that

957
00:58:36,054 --> 00:58:37,430
he had obsessions.

958
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:43,561
His relationships with some
of his co-workers were…

959
00:58:45,021 --> 00:58:46,314
[Vince] Um…

960
00:58:46,397 --> 00:58:49,859
You know, one woman--
he wrote a lot of personal emails

961
00:58:51,110 --> 00:58:52,612
that were troubling.

962
00:58:52,695 --> 00:58:54,072
[breathing heavily]

963
00:58:54,155 --> 00:58:55,949
[tense music playing]

964
00:58:56,032 --> 00:58:59,911
Occasionally, I get this tingling
that goes down both arms.

965
00:59:00,537 --> 00:59:02,372
At the same time, I get a bit dizzy

966
00:59:02,455 --> 00:59:04,249
and I get this

967
00:59:05,375 --> 00:59:08,294
unidentifiable metallic taste in my mouth.

968
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,590
I'm not trying to be funny.

969
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,677
Actually, it scares me a bit.

970
00:59:20,306 --> 00:59:21,975
When I get these episodes,

971
00:59:22,850 --> 00:59:24,978
I become mean-spirited,

972
00:59:25,061 --> 00:59:25,895
hateful,

973
00:59:26,771 --> 00:59:27,981
angry,

974
00:59:28,064 --> 00:59:29,023
withdrawn,

975
00:59:29,107 --> 00:59:30,316
paranoid.

976
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,569
[tense music builds, fades out]

977
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,615
Of course, I regret them thoroughly
when they're over,

978
00:59:37,699 --> 00:59:39,659
but when I'm going through them,

979
00:59:41,452 --> 00:59:43,913
it's as if I'm a passenger on a ride.

980
00:59:44,914 --> 00:59:47,333
Like I'm a few feet away watching myself.

981
00:59:50,753 --> 00:59:52,714
[somber music playing]

982
00:59:53,923 --> 00:59:56,718
I try to put on a good front here at work
and at home

983
00:59:56,801 --> 00:59:58,678
so I don't spread the pestilence.

984
00:59:58,761 --> 00:59:59,846
[Bruce panting]

985
00:59:59,929 --> 01:00:03,433
Unfortunately, I have to
talk about it to someone.

986
01:00:05,101 --> 01:00:08,813
So, you get to be my secret sharer.

987
01:00:15,695 --> 01:00:20,116
[Vince] His behavior toward those women
was the same as another of his obsessions.

988
01:00:20,199 --> 01:00:21,993
We found out that he had

989
01:00:22,076 --> 01:00:24,120
an obsession with KKG Sorority.

990
01:00:25,288 --> 01:00:27,540
[foreboding music playing]

991
01:00:28,583 --> 01:00:33,880
This obsession was something that
he developed in the 1960s in college

992
01:00:33,963 --> 01:00:37,508
when he asked a girl on a date
who belonged to KKG Sorority.

993
01:00:40,178 --> 01:00:41,888
She turned him down,

994
01:00:41,971 --> 01:00:43,473
and Bruce was rejected.

995
01:00:43,556 --> 01:00:47,268
And so, he decided to steal
from a sorority house.

996
01:00:50,104 --> 01:00:51,230
He stole their cipher,

997
01:00:51,314 --> 01:00:53,900
which allowed him
to decrypt their rituals that they had.

998
01:01:00,782 --> 01:01:05,370
And when you think about…
here's a man, 40 or 50 years later,

999
01:01:05,995 --> 01:01:07,789
who had multiple personas…

1000
01:01:11,292 --> 01:01:12,794
[Vince] …who was 60 years old,

1001
01:01:12,877 --> 01:01:17,173
posing as a sorority sister, online.

1002
01:01:23,388 --> 01:01:25,348
It kind of raises some eyebrows.

1003
01:01:30,186 --> 01:01:32,897
[indistinct chatter]

1004
01:01:35,900 --> 01:01:39,862
[Vince] One of the women that he had
this strong interest or obsession with

1005
01:01:39,946 --> 01:01:42,073
defended him over and over,

1006
01:01:42,156 --> 01:01:48,079
until we showed her some information
that he somehow identified her password

1007
01:01:48,162 --> 01:01:50,373
and would log on to her computer, as her,

1008
01:01:50,456 --> 01:01:52,208
and read her personal emails.

1009
01:01:52,291 --> 01:01:55,628
And whenever he read something
disparaging against him,

1010
01:01:55,712 --> 01:01:57,171
then he was just enraged by it.

1011
01:01:59,132 --> 01:02:03,428
It was pretty disturbing,
and she agreed to cooperate with us.

1012
01:02:05,221 --> 01:02:06,097
Bruce.

1013
01:02:07,098 --> 01:02:08,057
Ah.

1014
01:02:08,725 --> 01:02:10,268
[both chuckling]

1015
01:02:10,351 --> 01:02:12,520
-You came.
-I came. [chuckles]

1016
01:02:21,821 --> 01:02:23,906
[sighs deeply] Right.

1017
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:27,034
I just keep thinking
about that grand jury hearing.

1018
01:02:27,118 --> 01:02:29,036
They were so accusatory.

1019
01:02:29,954 --> 01:02:32,999
You can't keep going on like this, Bruce.

1020
01:02:33,082 --> 01:02:34,709
Sure I can. See?

1021
01:02:41,132 --> 01:02:42,967
Maybe you should see somebody.

1022
01:02:46,804 --> 01:02:47,805
I have you.

1023
01:02:48,806 --> 01:02:50,099
My secret sharer.

1024
01:02:52,018 --> 01:02:53,186
Don't call me that.

1025
01:02:55,313 --> 01:02:59,400
I'm… I'm sorry, Bruce.
I want to support you, I do.

1026
01:03:00,151 --> 01:03:02,320
But these things
that you've been writing me about…

1027
01:03:03,196 --> 01:03:06,407
[accomplice] <i>Alternate personas,</i>
<i>paranoid delusions…</i>

1028
01:03:08,576 --> 01:03:12,288
So this woman actually wore a wire
to… to meet with Bruce.

1029
01:03:12,371 --> 01:03:15,792
Just let him volunteer
and see how comfortable he gets.

1030
01:03:15,875 --> 01:03:19,045
-[accomplice] <i>I don't know what to do.</i>
<i>-The crazy thing about those emails is</i>

1031
01:03:19,128 --> 01:03:21,380
I don't even remember
actually writing them.

1032
01:03:21,464 --> 01:03:22,423
What?

1033
01:03:22,507 --> 01:03:26,177
The first I know about them is when I see
them in my sent box in the morning.

1034
01:03:28,304 --> 01:03:32,099
I wake up and there's all these traces
of what Crazy Bruce has been doing.

1035
01:03:32,183 --> 01:03:36,187
I see keys by my bed and I think,
"Oh, no, did I drive somewhere?"

1036
01:03:37,605 --> 01:03:42,985
For somebody who's a suspect
in a bioterrorism event, right?

1037
01:03:43,069 --> 01:03:45,446
It's alarming to us.

1038
01:03:49,408 --> 01:03:51,035
I want to ask you something.

1039
01:03:51,953 --> 01:03:53,788
But please don't get mad at me.

1040
01:03:55,122 --> 01:03:58,626
You want to know if I did it.
You want to know if I sent those letters.

1041
01:03:59,752 --> 01:04:00,753
Yes.

1042
01:04:12,682 --> 01:04:15,059
I can't recall doing anything like that.

1043
01:04:17,019 --> 01:04:18,229
But you're not sure?

1044
01:04:21,732 --> 01:04:23,568
The only thing I know for sure

1045
01:04:23,651 --> 01:04:26,654
is that in my right mind,
I would never hurt anyone.

1046
01:04:28,656 --> 01:04:29,907
"Did you kill five people?"

1047
01:04:29,991 --> 01:04:32,743
It's a pretty easy question to answer
for most people, right?

1048
01:04:33,870 --> 01:04:35,371
And Bruce didn't say no.

1049
01:04:39,041 --> 01:04:41,419
You know, I was thinking,
this friend of mine,

1050
01:04:41,502 --> 01:04:44,005
her therapist hypnotizes her.

1051
01:04:44,088 --> 01:04:45,464
-No.
-And it helps her.

1052
01:04:45,548 --> 01:04:47,174
-I said no.
-It helps her remember.

1053
01:04:47,258 --> 01:04:48,801
What if I don't want to remember?

1054
01:04:55,433 --> 01:04:56,642
[chair scrapes]

1055
01:04:57,602 --> 01:04:59,604
But, Br-- Bruce, wait.

1056
01:04:59,687 --> 01:05:01,105
Don't go.

1057
01:05:01,188 --> 01:05:02,189
Sit down.

1058
01:05:12,742 --> 01:05:14,785
You used to be so beautiful.

1059
01:05:26,130 --> 01:05:28,466
[tense music playing]

1060
01:05:30,092 --> 01:05:31,510
[Bruce] It's getting to be lately,

1061
01:05:31,594 --> 01:05:34,305
I felt there's nobody in the world
I can confide in.

1062
01:05:41,771 --> 01:05:44,065
I used to walk at night
through a bad part of town

1063
01:05:44,148 --> 01:05:46,275
with a loaded gun in my windbreaker.

1064
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:50,738
If I saw a group
of young guys on the street,

1065
01:05:51,238 --> 01:05:53,032
I'd walk right through the middle of them.

1066
01:05:53,866 --> 01:05:56,494
Just hoping someone would try something.

1067
01:05:56,577 --> 01:05:57,495
[sniffles]

1068
01:05:57,578 --> 01:05:59,330
You have to battle back.

1069
01:05:59,956 --> 01:06:01,832
Look these bastards in the eye and say,

1070
01:06:01,916 --> 01:06:03,918
"You're not going to drive me
into a hole."

1071
01:06:04,001 --> 01:06:06,295
"You go after me, I'll go after you."

1072
01:06:15,638 --> 01:06:18,140
Bruce? Bruce?

1073
01:06:18,975 --> 01:06:21,602
Just remember what I said.
Short and direct.

1074
01:06:21,686 --> 01:06:23,688
No unnecessary details.

1075
01:06:24,897 --> 01:06:25,982
Gonna do great.

1076
01:06:30,736 --> 01:06:31,779
[door opens]

1077
01:06:31,862 --> 01:06:33,906
[phones ringing in background]

1078
01:06:35,324 --> 01:06:37,410
Appreciate you coming in today.

1079
01:06:37,493 --> 01:06:40,371
I'm Vince Lisi,
Special Agent in charge here.

1080
01:06:40,454 --> 01:06:42,957
We just wanted to let him know we had him.

1081
01:06:43,541 --> 01:06:45,042
Okay if I call you Bruce?

1082
01:06:45,793 --> 01:06:46,877
Sure, Vince.

1083
01:06:49,964 --> 01:06:51,382
Look, I want to be very clear.

1084
01:06:52,133 --> 01:06:55,428
This interview here, it's voluntary.
You're here on your own accord.

1085
01:06:55,511 --> 01:06:57,805
-In the presence of your attorney.
-I understand.

1086
01:07:00,891 --> 01:07:02,226
An enormous amount of work

1087
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:05,187
was put into getting ready
for that first interview of Dr. Ivins.

1088
01:07:06,647 --> 01:07:08,482
We had a very careful plan

1089
01:07:08,566 --> 01:07:11,402
that involved both
what questions we want to ask,

1090
01:07:11,485 --> 01:07:12,737
how do we want to ask them,

1091
01:07:12,820 --> 01:07:15,906
but also consulting with a psychologist
about how do we approach him.

1092
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:18,451
Right? What are the triggers,
what are the aspects

1093
01:07:18,534 --> 01:07:19,952
that are going to get him talking.

1094
01:07:20,828 --> 01:07:22,830
So, tell me, Bruce.

1095
01:07:24,206 --> 01:07:25,750
What's the deal with you and women?

1096
01:07:27,168 --> 01:07:28,252
Excuse me?

1097
01:07:28,335 --> 01:07:31,380
Two former female co-workers said
you hounded them for over a decade.

1098
01:07:31,464 --> 01:07:33,382
One said you threatened to poison her?

1099
01:07:33,466 --> 01:07:37,803
Now there's this whole thing
with a Kappa Kappa Gamma Sorority.

1100
01:07:37,887 --> 01:07:40,014
[sorority members cheering and laughing]

1101
01:07:43,100 --> 01:07:44,602
A "preoccupation," it says.

1102
01:07:47,521 --> 01:07:49,648
I wouldn't call it a preoccupation.

1103
01:07:50,441 --> 01:07:53,110
[Vince] No? What would you call it?

1104
01:07:53,194 --> 01:07:54,361
An obsession.

1105
01:07:56,155 --> 01:07:59,408
He just cut me off. He goes,
"It's not an interest. It's an obsession."

1106
01:08:00,117 --> 01:08:03,412
He said "I just lay in bed at night
and this just goes through my head."

1107
01:08:04,455 --> 01:08:07,083
It says that
you broke into a sorority house

1108
01:08:07,166 --> 01:08:10,795
at the University of North Carolina
to steal their code books.

1109
01:08:11,629 --> 01:08:13,005
Interested in codes, Bruce?

1110
01:08:14,298 --> 01:08:15,299
Not especially.

1111
01:08:18,344 --> 01:08:21,847
You know, I read somewhere

1112
01:08:22,723 --> 01:08:26,185
that you can write
secret messages using DNA codons.

1113
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:28,771
Ever hear anything like that?

1114
01:08:29,522 --> 01:08:30,898
Doesn't sound familiar.

1115
01:08:37,696 --> 01:08:40,074
-[dramatic music playing]
-[Vince] How 'bout now?

1116
01:08:43,285 --> 01:08:46,205
[Bruce's lawyer] This was not
on the search and seizure inventory.

1117
01:08:46,288 --> 01:08:47,998
I found it in his trash.

1118
01:08:50,543 --> 01:08:52,086
And that's whenever they found some, uh,

1119
01:08:52,169 --> 01:08:55,965
some pretty, pretty interesting
and damning, uh, items.

1120
01:08:56,048 --> 01:08:59,093
<i>An Eternal Golden Braid.</i>
That's a-- That's a good book.

1121
01:08:59,176 --> 01:09:00,928
I mean, at least the parts
I could understand.

1122
01:09:02,096 --> 01:09:05,349
<i>Gödel, Escher, Bach </i>was the book
he had that he was very interested in

1123
01:09:05,432 --> 01:09:07,476
that talked about codes
and coded language.

1124
01:09:08,227 --> 01:09:11,063
Hey, Bruce.
What the heck is a codon, anyway?

1125
01:09:17,528 --> 01:09:22,575
Okay, you're asking Dr. Ivins
to teach remedial science to the FBI now?

1126
01:09:28,205 --> 01:09:32,960
The letters A and T
are used in DNA codons, right?

1127
01:09:34,712 --> 01:09:38,382
We knew that there
was a hidden message in the letter.

1128
01:09:41,468 --> 01:09:45,514
Bold a T in one word
and then you bold an A in another word

1129
01:09:45,598 --> 01:09:48,142
and use that to send hidden messages.

1130
01:09:48,225 --> 01:09:52,646
And they kind of
had an idea of how it was translated.

1131
01:09:53,230 --> 01:09:55,441
We knew both from talking to Dr. Ivins

1132
01:09:55,524 --> 01:09:59,612
and from things he had written,
that Dr. Ivins hated New York.

1133
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:03,657
The bolded letters translated into "FNY."

1134
01:10:03,741 --> 01:10:06,368
Take, what you will, the FNY.

1135
01:10:07,620 --> 01:10:09,038
"Fuck New York."

1136
01:10:11,457 --> 01:10:15,294
Mr. Lisi, we agreed to come here
in the spirit of cooperation.

1137
01:10:15,377 --> 01:10:18,505
I don't appreciate
you trying to intimidate my client.

1138
01:10:19,423 --> 01:10:21,050
You feeling intimidated, Bruce?

1139
01:10:24,511 --> 01:10:27,264
All that matters here is the science.

1140
01:10:28,641 --> 01:10:31,060
We talked about
the submission to the repository.

1141
01:10:31,143 --> 01:10:34,647
I mean, it was just, like,
one fastball after another.

1142
01:10:35,231 --> 01:10:38,943
Six years ago, you submitted a sample of
anthrax in your custody, came back clean.

1143
01:10:39,026 --> 01:10:39,985
Negative match.

1144
01:10:40,069 --> 01:10:40,903
Yeah.

1145
01:10:41,987 --> 01:10:43,614
[Vince] There was another sample.

1146
01:10:43,697 --> 01:10:44,949
The original one.

1147
01:10:45,616 --> 01:10:48,953
It was supposed to be destroyed
because, well, you didn't follow protocol.

1148
01:10:49,036 --> 01:10:52,539
You used the wrong test tubes,
or some nonsense.

1149
01:10:53,415 --> 01:10:54,250
What?

1150
01:10:54,333 --> 01:10:57,086
Wrong test tubes.
The lab guys are very particular.

1151
01:10:58,170 --> 01:11:00,005
Someone kept it, Bruce.

1152
01:11:04,802 --> 01:11:08,639
Let me back up, because actually,
you prepare two, right?

1153
01:11:08,722 --> 01:11:12,351
One sample goes to the repository,
and one sample goes to Paul Keim.

1154
01:11:12,434 --> 01:11:13,978
The tube that came to me,

1155
01:11:14,061 --> 01:11:16,855
the FBI didn't ever tell me
to get rid of 'em.

1156
01:11:16,939 --> 01:11:19,984
And so, that first set of tubes
that he sent to me

1157
01:11:20,067 --> 01:11:22,903
stayed in our repository
for the next four years.

1158
01:11:24,113 --> 01:11:25,698
That one came back a match.

1159
01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:32,705
The same DNA markers as the spores
that killed those five people in 2001.

1160
01:11:33,372 --> 01:11:37,960
We traced it to a flask labeled RMR-1029.

1161
01:11:40,879 --> 01:11:42,131
Which you control.

1162
01:11:42,214 --> 01:11:44,800
A dozen people have access to that flask.

1163
01:11:44,883 --> 01:11:46,343
Fourteen, actually.

1164
01:11:46,427 --> 01:11:48,095
But you're so sure it's me?

1165
01:11:48,887 --> 01:11:52,641
I think we are finished here.
[clears throat] Dr. Ivins.

1166
01:11:56,270 --> 01:11:58,063
Why'd you submit
two different samples, Bruce?

1167
01:12:04,153 --> 01:12:05,738
Can you explain why?

1168
01:12:08,824 --> 01:12:12,578
[Vince] So after Bruce's first sample
was refused by the repository

1169
01:12:12,661 --> 01:12:14,371
and it was destroyed,

1170
01:12:14,455 --> 01:12:16,206
he, uh, attended this meeting

1171
01:12:16,290 --> 01:12:19,209
and was told exactly what the samples
were going to be used for.

1172
01:12:19,793 --> 01:12:22,379
Right? So now he's thinking,
"Wait a minute…"

1173
01:12:22,463 --> 01:12:26,175
Doctor, please, follow protocol
to the letter this time.

1174
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,762
[Vince] "So when I submit
my new sample of RMR-1029,

1175
01:12:29,845 --> 01:12:33,098
I'll put something else in there,
so it doesn't point back to me."

1176
01:12:33,891 --> 01:12:36,101
He got a second bite at the apple, right?

1177
01:12:36,810 --> 01:12:38,228
[Hayward] We appreciate your help.

1178
01:12:43,984 --> 01:12:45,235
[Vince] Can you explain that?

1179
01:12:52,117 --> 01:12:53,702
I'm not a killer.

1180
01:12:53,786 --> 01:12:55,412
Let's see what a jury says.

1181
01:13:01,543 --> 01:13:04,338
[ominous music playing]

1182
01:13:10,552 --> 01:13:14,556
[Jeffrey] The one thing Bruce was not
is an emotionally strong person.

1183
01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:19,061
The FBI isolated him
from most of his friends and family.

1184
01:13:19,144 --> 01:13:20,813
His reputation had been sullied.

1185
01:13:21,939 --> 01:13:25,567
He seemed to be moving away
from his former self.

1186
01:13:25,651 --> 01:13:28,237
[intense music playing]

1187
01:13:30,030 --> 01:13:32,950
The first thing I noticed
was that he wasn't

1188
01:13:33,033 --> 01:13:35,536
primarily interested
in getting other people to laugh

1189
01:13:35,619 --> 01:13:37,121
or to engage with other people.

1190
01:13:37,204 --> 01:13:39,581
He became somewhat withdrawn.

1191
01:13:42,876 --> 01:13:47,131
He admitted that he had been drinking
and that he wasn't sleeping well.

1192
01:13:47,214 --> 01:13:50,050
I think he even had an issue
with a mental health professional

1193
01:13:50,134 --> 01:13:51,552
that he was seeing.

1194
01:13:53,595 --> 01:13:58,183
[breathing heavily]

1195
01:14:00,477 --> 01:14:04,565
[Paul] He actually had a restraining order
against him by his counselor.

1196
01:14:05,816 --> 01:14:08,735
There was a dark side to Bruce
that many of us didn't see.

1197
01:14:12,156 --> 01:14:16,827
[ominous music builds, fades]

1198
01:14:19,204 --> 01:14:20,330
[sniffles]

1199
01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:25,878
[Bruce] I have this terrible
dreaded feeling that…

1200
01:14:29,923 --> 01:14:32,718
I have been selected
for the blood sacrifice.

1201
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:48,525
The FBI can take
the most innocent moment or incident

1202
01:14:49,276 --> 01:14:53,655
and turn it into something that looks
as if it came from the devil himself.

1203
01:14:54,448 --> 01:14:58,577
I don't have a killer bone in my body,
but it doesn't make a difference.

1204
01:14:59,495 --> 01:15:02,873
[emotional instrumental music playing]

1205
01:15:05,792 --> 01:15:06,919
I miss the days…

1206
01:15:08,670 --> 01:15:12,508
I miss the days that people would say
that I was sane without a snicker.

1207
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:17,221
I miss the days when I felt
that we were doing

1208
01:15:17,304 --> 01:15:19,932
what was worthy and honest.

1209
01:15:25,395 --> 01:15:27,898
Our pasts shape our futures.

1210
01:15:29,024 --> 01:15:32,402
And mine was built

1211
01:15:33,111 --> 01:15:36,406
with lies and craziness and depression.

1212
01:15:40,827 --> 01:15:41,995
Go down low.

1213
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,456
Low.

1214
01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:46,041
Low as you can go.

1215
01:15:46,750 --> 01:15:49,002
And then dig forever.

1216
01:15:50,504 --> 01:15:52,130
And there you'll find me.

1217
01:15:53,549 --> 01:15:54,758
My psyche.

1218
01:15:58,929 --> 01:16:00,180
Alone.

1219
01:16:02,766 --> 01:16:05,018
The farther I go, it's alone.

1220
01:16:18,198 --> 01:16:20,325
[gentle music playing]

1221
01:16:24,705 --> 01:16:26,915
[keys jangling]

1222
01:16:28,041 --> 01:16:30,711
[lock clicking]

1223
01:16:45,851 --> 01:16:48,645
[door hinge creaking]

1224
01:16:57,404 --> 01:16:58,989
[static hissing]

1225
01:16:59,072 --> 01:17:01,199
[line ringing]

1226
01:17:01,283 --> 01:17:04,661
[operator] <i>Frederick County 911.</i>
<i>What is the address of the emergency?</i>

1227
01:17:04,745 --> 01:17:05,829
[woman] <i>Military Road.</i>

1228
01:17:05,912 --> 01:17:08,749
-[operator] <i>And what's your name?</i>
<i>-Diane Ivins.</i>

1229
01:17:08,832 --> 01:17:11,793
[operator] <i>Diane, what's the problem?</i>
<i>Tell me exactly what happened.</i>

1230
01:17:11,877 --> 01:17:14,671
[Diane] <i>My husband, I found him</i>
<i>laying on the bathroom floor upstairs.</i>

1231
01:17:14,755 --> 01:17:15,631
<i>He's unconscious.</i>

1232
01:17:15,714 --> 01:17:17,215
<i>He's got a…</i>

1233
01:17:17,299 --> 01:17:19,593
<i>He's breathing rapidly, he's clammy.</i>

1234
01:17:19,676 --> 01:17:21,720
<i>I found some…</i>

1235
01:17:21,803 --> 01:17:24,264
<i>a glass of wine earlier in the day.</i>

1236
01:17:24,348 --> 01:17:27,392
<i>I don't know if he was drinking</i>
<i>and got up and fell or...</i>

1237
01:17:27,976 --> 01:17:29,144
<i>if he drank too much.</i>

1238
01:17:30,687 --> 01:17:32,856
[operator] <i>All right, I'm sending</i>
<i>the ambulance to help you now.</i>

1239
01:17:33,398 --> 01:17:35,609
<i>Want me to stay on the line with you</i>
<i>or are you okay?</i>

1240
01:17:35,692 --> 01:17:36,902
[Diane] <i>No, I'm okay.</i>

1241
01:17:39,404 --> 01:17:40,614
[call ends]

1242
01:17:43,116 --> 01:17:47,245
[intense ambient music playing]

1243
01:17:48,789 --> 01:17:51,291
[reporter 1] <i>Bruce Ivins,</i>
<i>a brilliant microbi--</i>

1244
01:17:51,375 --> 01:17:53,919
[reporter 2] <i>Tuesday, Ivins died</i>
<i>of an apparent overdose.</i>

1245
01:17:54,002 --> 01:17:56,296
[reporter speaking French]

1246
01:17:56,380 --> 01:17:58,382
[reporter speaking German]

1247
01:17:58,465 --> 01:18:01,885
[reporter 3] <i>The nation's most notorious</i>
<i>unsolved terrorist crime.</i>

1248
01:18:01,968 --> 01:18:03,303
<i>The death of Bruce Ivins--</i>

1249
01:18:03,387 --> 01:18:05,263
[reporter 4] <i>…was a delusional sociopath.</i>

1250
01:18:05,347 --> 01:18:07,140
[reporter 5] <i>A history of mental illness.</i>

1251
01:18:07,224 --> 01:18:08,809
<i>It was his own fault.</i>

1252
01:18:08,892 --> 01:18:11,645
<i>One of the largest</i>
<i>and most complex investigations--</i>

1253
01:18:11,728 --> 01:18:13,939
[reporter 6] <i>…had the opportunity,</i>
<i>motive, and means</i>

1254
01:18:14,022 --> 01:18:16,733
<i>to be the 2001 Anthrax Killer.</i>

1255
01:18:16,817 --> 01:18:19,361
[static hissing]

1256
01:18:19,444 --> 01:18:21,571
[reporters chattering]

1257
01:18:21,655 --> 01:18:23,657
[camera shutters clicking]

1258
01:18:27,786 --> 01:18:28,787
[sniffles]

1259
01:18:31,039 --> 01:18:32,124
Good afternoon.

1260
01:18:32,708 --> 01:18:34,459
[somber piano music playing]

1261
01:18:34,543 --> 01:18:38,171
[camera shutters clicking]

1262
01:18:38,255 --> 01:18:43,176
Because of the extraordinary and justified
public interest in this investigation,

1263
01:18:43,260 --> 01:18:47,013
as well as the significant
public attention resulting from the death

1264
01:18:47,097 --> 01:18:49,474
of Dr. Bruce Edward Ivins last week,

1265
01:18:49,558 --> 01:18:52,686
today we are compelled
to take the extraordinary step

1266
01:18:52,769 --> 01:18:54,980
of providing some of our conclusions.

1267
01:18:55,522 --> 01:18:56,857
We are confident

1268
01:18:56,940 --> 01:19:00,235
that Dr. Ivins was the only person
responsible for these attacks.

1269
01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:17,794
How is it possible
that a guy in this state of mind

1270
01:19:17,878 --> 01:19:19,755
could have tricked the FBI

1271
01:19:19,838 --> 01:19:21,214
for so long?

1272
01:19:21,798 --> 01:19:23,759
Officials say
authorities were investigating

1273
01:19:23,842 --> 01:19:27,387
whether Ivins released anthrax
as a way of testing the vaccine

1274
01:19:27,471 --> 01:19:29,473
he developed here at Fort Detrick.

1275
01:19:30,682 --> 01:19:32,517
[interviewer] Are you a hundred percent
certain Bruce did it?

1276
01:19:32,601 --> 01:19:33,602
Oh, absolutely.

1277
01:19:34,728 --> 01:19:36,688
Absolutely. Beyond a reasonable doubt.

1278
01:19:37,314 --> 01:19:40,734
Bruce was worried that his life's work

1279
01:19:40,817 --> 01:19:43,570
dedicated to anthrax research
was gonna come to an end.

1280
01:19:44,488 --> 01:19:47,699
Right? And then the anthrax attacks happen

1281
01:19:48,575 --> 01:19:52,913
and all of a sudden the FDA
quickly approves this batch of vaccines,

1282
01:19:52,996 --> 01:19:55,749
and then Bruce ended up getting
the highest award a civilian can get

1283
01:19:55,832 --> 01:19:58,251
in the Army for his work on anthrax.

1284
01:19:59,211 --> 01:20:00,128
No.

1285
01:20:00,212 --> 01:20:03,632
He's responsible for five murders.
You know?

1286
01:20:03,715 --> 01:20:07,135
[interviewer] How certain are you
that Bruce was responsible?

1287
01:20:07,219 --> 01:20:09,846
Yeah, I'm-- I'm not certain
that he was the mailer.

1288
01:20:09,930 --> 01:20:11,932
It's not like a murder case, you know,

1289
01:20:12,015 --> 01:20:15,769
where you have a blood stain
and you can come back and say,

1290
01:20:15,852 --> 01:20:20,607
"Absolutely, this belongs to that person.
That puts them at the crime scene."

1291
01:20:20,690 --> 01:20:23,819
In the case of the anthrax
with the DNA, uh,

1292
01:20:23,902 --> 01:20:29,282
we just put the… the suspect
or the perpetrator in the vicinity

1293
01:20:29,366 --> 01:20:30,659
of the flask.

1294
01:20:32,577 --> 01:20:34,246
It's a circumstantial case.

1295
01:20:34,329 --> 01:20:36,331
There's no silver bullet here,

1296
01:20:36,414 --> 01:20:39,501
but… and if you want to look
at any one little aspect

1297
01:20:40,210 --> 01:20:41,711
and pick it apart, that's fine.

1298
01:20:41,795 --> 01:20:45,298
But I tell people it's like looking
at the <i>Mona Lisa</i> through a drinking straw.

1299
01:20:45,382 --> 01:20:47,676
Right? You got to step back
and look at the whole thing.

1300
01:20:47,759 --> 01:20:49,761
[reporter 1] <i>Former supervisor</i>
<i>Jeffrey Adamovicz</i>

1301
01:20:49,845 --> 01:20:52,264
<i>says Ivins knew he was under suspicion.</i>

1302
01:20:52,347 --> 01:20:55,058
If this case is closed
and that evidence was not sufficient

1303
01:20:55,141 --> 01:20:57,602
to indicate that he
was the person who did this,

1304
01:20:57,686 --> 01:21:00,021
that means that person is still out there.

1305
01:21:00,814 --> 01:21:03,733
[Jeffrey] I think the FBI
was under tremendous political pressure

1306
01:21:03,817 --> 01:21:05,735
to solve this case.

1307
01:21:05,819 --> 01:21:10,615
But it was clear that these spores
had been processed in such a way

1308
01:21:10,699 --> 01:21:13,952
that they had characteristics
and features that weren't consistent

1309
01:21:14,035 --> 01:21:15,704
with the spores that we made.

1310
01:21:16,496 --> 01:21:19,207
And it didn't seem that Bruce
had the technical knowledge

1311
01:21:19,291 --> 01:21:21,918
to do that,
nor did anybody else at the institute.

1312
01:21:22,002 --> 01:21:26,464
And that's what still bothers me
to this day about this entire case.

1313
01:21:27,215 --> 01:21:28,884
[Vince] Bruce would tell us

1314
01:21:28,967 --> 01:21:31,386
that he didn't have
the skill set to grow the spores.

1315
01:21:31,970 --> 01:21:33,930
But I met with
a leading scientist and said,

1316
01:21:34,014 --> 01:21:36,808
"How many people do you know
that can make spores like this?"

1317
01:21:36,892 --> 01:21:38,852
And he goes, "That I know of?"

1318
01:21:39,895 --> 01:21:41,271
"Maybe six or eight."

1319
01:21:42,022 --> 01:21:44,024
Bruce was one of the first names.

1320
01:21:44,608 --> 01:21:46,776
[reporter 2] While the FBI believes
it's solved the case,

1321
01:21:46,860 --> 01:21:50,572
an attorney for the Ivins family says
nothing could be further from the truth.

1322
01:21:50,655 --> 01:21:54,200
The evidence does not directly
tie Ivins to the anthrax letters,

1323
01:21:54,284 --> 01:21:56,036
but with the suspect now dead,

1324
01:21:56,119 --> 01:21:58,413
the government will
never have to prove that link.

1325
01:21:58,496 --> 01:22:01,124
[Paul] I was very disappointed in the FBI

1326
01:22:01,207 --> 01:22:03,460
because there was still a lot to learn,

1327
01:22:03,543 --> 01:22:07,047
and instead they closed the case
and they destroyed the evidence.

1328
01:22:07,130 --> 01:22:10,634
Almost all of those spores and samples
have now been destroyed,

1329
01:22:10,717 --> 01:22:16,598
and so, uh, there's no chance to go back
and reopen this and look at it.

1330
01:22:17,474 --> 01:22:19,601
[newscaster] <i>Now to that</i>
<i>anthrax investigation,</i>

1331
01:22:19,684 --> 01:22:22,228
<i>as you know, the prime suspect</i>
<i>committed suicide--</i>

1332
01:22:22,312 --> 01:22:24,981
[reporter 3] <i>News crews now descending</i>
<i>upon the widow's home…</i>

1333
01:22:25,065 --> 01:22:28,151
You know, when I found out
that he committed suicide,

1334
01:22:28,234 --> 01:22:29,861
I thought through it a lot.

1335
01:22:29,945 --> 01:22:32,822
I'd seen what the FBI had done
with Steven Hatfill.

1336
01:22:32,906 --> 01:22:34,741
The pressure that they'd put on him

1337
01:22:34,824 --> 01:22:36,201
to try to break him…

1338
01:22:37,827 --> 01:22:40,455
[Diane] <i>It wasn't unusual</i>
<i>for him to sleep all day</i>

1339
01:22:40,538 --> 01:22:44,084
<i>because he's been depressed</i>
<i>and concerned about this investigation.</i>

1340
01:22:45,794 --> 01:22:49,339
<i>He's been incredibly, incredibly stressed</i>
<i>because of the way he's been hounded</i>

1341
01:22:49,422 --> 01:22:50,465
<i>by the FBI.</i>

1342
01:22:50,548 --> 01:22:51,549
[man] <i>I can imagine.</i>

1343
01:22:52,258 --> 01:22:55,553
[Diane] <i>And I felt that</i>
<i>he couldn't take it anymore.</i>

1344
01:22:57,263 --> 01:23:00,266
[Jeffrey] Bruce talked about them
threatening his family,

1345
01:23:01,184 --> 01:23:04,145
trying to get his children
to testify against him.

1346
01:23:05,230 --> 01:23:07,774
Maybe he sent the letters,
and maybe he didn't.

1347
01:23:11,152 --> 01:23:16,449
But it was the pressure of the FBI
is why Bruce committed suicide.

1348
01:23:18,576 --> 01:23:20,203
It's really hard for me to hear that,

1349
01:23:20,286 --> 01:23:23,581
when I feel like
we're accused of driving him to suicide.

1350
01:23:23,665 --> 01:23:28,753
We did everything we could
to both keep him safe, right?

1351
01:23:28,837 --> 01:23:30,964
To protect himself and protect the public,

1352
01:23:31,047 --> 01:23:33,466
but also pursuing him aggressively
because we had to,

1353
01:23:33,550 --> 01:23:36,469
because we were convinced he was
the one who committed the anthrax attacks.

1354
01:23:40,056 --> 01:23:42,100
[reporter 4] <i>The investigation</i>
<i>into the Anthrax Killer</i>

1355
01:23:42,183 --> 01:23:45,645
<i>is being called the FBI's</i>
<i>most expensive undertaking ever.</i>

1356
01:23:45,729 --> 01:23:48,106
<i>The agency spent more than $10 million…</i>

1357
01:23:48,189 --> 01:23:51,860
Over the past seven years,
they've followed up 50,000 leads

1358
01:23:51,943 --> 01:23:53,528
on six continents,

1359
01:23:53,611 --> 01:23:56,614
conducted 9,000-plus interviews,

1360
01:23:56,698 --> 01:23:59,534
and issued 6,000 grand jury subpoenas.

1361
01:23:59,617 --> 01:24:00,994
They never let this go.

1362
01:24:01,953 --> 01:24:05,373
What could ever possibly
motivate somebody to mail anthrax

1363
01:24:05,457 --> 01:24:06,833
and kill innocent victims?

1364
01:24:08,668 --> 01:24:11,212
And when you think
about the letters themselves,

1365
01:24:11,296 --> 01:24:15,175
the letters didn't get to Tom Brokaw.
They didn't get to Senator Daschle.

1366
01:24:16,092 --> 01:24:17,802
But who are the people who get sick?

1367
01:24:19,471 --> 01:24:21,598
Mr. Stevens in Florida.

1368
01:24:23,099 --> 01:24:25,518
The people who opened the letters in NBC.

1369
01:24:25,602 --> 01:24:27,020
Let's close off…

1370
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:32,942
[Rachel] The people who were working
in the Hart Senate Office Building.

1371
01:24:34,736 --> 01:24:36,279
People were coming in contact with it

1372
01:24:36,362 --> 01:24:38,615
just through the course
of their, like, duty

1373
01:24:38,698 --> 01:24:41,367
as a civilian employee
of the U.S. Postal Service.

1374
01:24:43,578 --> 01:24:46,331
[male official] We have provided you
copies of the court documents

1375
01:24:46,414 --> 01:24:47,332
which give details…

1376
01:24:47,415 --> 01:24:50,168
When I heard about the press conference,

1377
01:24:50,251 --> 01:24:52,504
I said, "Okay, I need to be there."

1378
01:24:53,505 --> 01:24:56,007
I have a postal press badge

1379
01:24:56,674 --> 01:24:57,675
and they let me in.

1380
01:24:57,759 --> 01:24:58,843
[reporters chattering]

1381
01:24:58,927 --> 01:25:02,972
How big a factor was Dr. Hatfill?
How did the FBI get so off track?

1382
01:25:03,056 --> 01:25:06,684
If you talk a little more
about the meeting with the family…

1383
01:25:06,768 --> 01:25:07,936
[Dena] I have a question.

1384
01:25:08,019 --> 01:25:11,272
-Yes, in the back.
-I'd like to ask the Postal Inspector…

1385
01:25:11,356 --> 01:25:16,027
Um, when are you-- Are you planning
to brief or speak with the postal workers

1386
01:25:16,111 --> 01:25:19,030
who were affected,
or is that the end of it?

1387
01:25:19,114 --> 01:25:23,701
Um, we, today, this morning, sent out
a letter from the Postmaster General

1388
01:25:23,785 --> 01:25:25,745
to all of our postal employees.

1389
01:25:26,412 --> 01:25:29,582
I was just appalled
that they dismissed us like that,

1390
01:25:29,666 --> 01:25:31,668
and they just continue to dismiss us.

1391
01:25:31,751 --> 01:25:35,338
I would like to know, are you all planning
to do anything to meet with us

1392
01:25:35,421 --> 01:25:39,634
so that we can, um, get a briefing
and also ask our questions?

1393
01:25:40,593 --> 01:25:42,637
Of course, we'll answer the questions

1394
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,765
as the questions
come in to, uh, to the Postal Service.

1395
01:25:45,849 --> 01:25:49,644
But remember, we have 700,000 employees
across the country.

1396
01:25:59,362 --> 01:26:02,407
[somber music playing]

1397
01:26:07,078 --> 01:26:09,581
Brentwood was renamed

1398
01:26:09,664 --> 01:26:13,001
the Joseph P. Curseen Junior
and Thomas Morris Junior

1399
01:26:13,084 --> 01:26:16,296
Processing and Distribution Facility.

1400
01:26:17,547 --> 01:26:20,341
And I thought
that was a beautiful tribute.

1401
01:26:24,387 --> 01:26:26,681
I can't hold bitterness.

1402
01:26:26,764 --> 01:26:28,600
I can't hold hatred.

1403
01:26:28,683 --> 01:26:30,143
Obviously…

1404
01:26:31,436 --> 01:26:34,814
He… He… This person had issues,

1405
01:26:34,898 --> 01:26:38,318
and something wasn't quite right there.

1406
01:26:39,444 --> 01:26:41,571
And because we're all intertwined,

1407
01:26:43,031 --> 01:26:45,366
innocent people get caught up in it.

1408
01:26:49,996 --> 01:26:53,791
I feel bad for him, that if he did this,

1409
01:26:53,875 --> 01:26:56,628
that his mind took him there.

1410
01:27:01,090 --> 01:27:04,469
[Casey] Clearly, suicide
is horrible and terrible,

1411
01:27:05,220 --> 01:27:09,766
but the fact that I knew that this person
who may have killed five people

1412
01:27:09,849 --> 01:27:13,311
wasn't alive anymore…
is that a terrible thing to say? I…

1413
01:27:14,187 --> 01:27:18,483
I was just somewhat relieved
that he wasn't around anymore.

1414
01:27:19,734 --> 01:27:20,735
Sorry, God.

1415
01:27:26,866 --> 01:27:29,285
[Terrence] The names on that building,

1416
01:27:30,286 --> 01:27:32,956
it's a testament for us
as to what happened,

1417
01:27:33,539 --> 01:27:35,250
you know? And, um…

1418
01:27:36,084 --> 01:27:37,210
I'm sorry.

1419
01:27:37,919 --> 01:27:39,921
[sniffling] I'm sorry.

1420
01:27:44,259 --> 01:27:45,260
I'm sorry.

1421
01:27:46,094 --> 01:27:47,262
[voice breaking] But…

1422
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:52,684
Um… I'm sorry…

1423
01:27:53,685 --> 01:27:55,103
The… [sniffles]

1424
01:27:56,187 --> 01:27:58,022
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

1425
01:27:58,106 --> 01:27:59,482
[crying]

1426
01:28:02,277 --> 01:28:03,611
I'm sorry. So…

1427
01:28:06,781 --> 01:28:08,491
I think different people

1428
01:28:09,993 --> 01:28:12,495
walk away from this with different things.

1429
01:28:13,454 --> 01:28:15,123
Um… [sniffles]

1430
01:28:15,873 --> 01:28:17,000
Um…

1431
01:28:19,460 --> 01:28:20,837
[sighs]

1432
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:25,341
And I think we're still
learning from the experience.

1433
01:28:30,221 --> 01:28:32,390
[somber music playing]

1434
01:28:49,365 --> 01:28:52,327
My throat was raw
and I couldn't hardly swallow.

1435
01:28:52,410 --> 01:28:54,996
I could barely eat.
I couldn't keep anything down.

1436
01:28:55,079 --> 01:28:57,790
I was having problems breathing.
My throat was real sore.

1437
01:28:57,874 --> 01:28:59,876
I feel as though we were betrayed.

1438
01:29:06,841 --> 01:29:10,636
[camera shutters clicking]

1439
01:29:20,313 --> 01:29:23,608
[man 1] This is the video deposition
of John Ashcroft.

1440
01:29:24,275 --> 01:29:26,611
[man 2] Is it appropriate
for Department of Justice officials

1441
01:29:26,694 --> 01:29:30,031
to suggest that
Dr. Hatfill fits a behavioral profile

1442
01:29:30,114 --> 01:29:31,157
of the Anthrax Killer?

1443
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:32,492
I don't know.

1444
01:29:32,575 --> 01:29:34,827
[man 2] You don't know whether
it was appropriate

1445
01:29:34,911 --> 01:29:36,371
to disclose that kind of information?

1446
01:29:36,454 --> 01:29:37,455
I don't know.

1447
01:29:37,538 --> 01:29:39,624
[man 2] Do you think it's fair
to Dr. Hatfill?

1448
01:29:39,707 --> 01:29:40,708
I don't know.

1449
01:29:50,259 --> 01:29:52,512
What direct evidence do you have?

1450
01:29:52,595 --> 01:29:56,933
For instance, do you have any tape
that was used on the envelope

1451
01:29:57,016 --> 01:29:58,518
that was recovered from his home?

1452
01:29:58,601 --> 01:30:02,188
Do you have any other, uh, evidence

1453
01:30:02,271 --> 01:30:05,733
that clearly would link him?
For instance, the affidavit mentions

1454
01:30:05,817 --> 01:30:09,320
that people of this sort
often keep souvenirs.

1455
01:30:09,404 --> 01:30:11,364
[reporter 1] It was known
as the "Quantico Letter."

1456
01:30:11,447 --> 01:30:14,367
It was a letter sent in September of 2001

1457
01:30:14,450 --> 01:30:16,744
identifying an Arab-American scientist…

1458
01:30:16,828 --> 01:30:20,123
[reporter 2] Were you able to place him
at the mailboxes in Princeton?

1459
01:30:20,206 --> 01:30:21,290
Like a gas receipt?

1460
01:30:21,374 --> 01:30:24,752
[official] We don't have that piece
of direct evidence you mention.

1461
01:30:24,836 --> 01:30:25,878
[reporters clamor]

1462
01:30:25,962 --> 01:30:29,549
[reporter 3] Can you speak broadly about
some of the skepticism that people have?

1463
01:30:29,632 --> 01:30:30,842
Is that normal?



