1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:03,730 --> 00:00:06,230 - Am I -- Am I okay here? 3 00:00:06,230 --> 00:00:08,100 Do I look okay, guys? 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:08,100 --> 00:00:10,230 This is the first year -- I´m supposed to be with -- 6 00:00:10,230 --> 00:00:11,630 I´m supposed to be with Clive Davis 7 00:00:11,630 --> 00:00:15,030 right now in Capri on his yacht. 8 00:00:15,030 --> 00:00:17,470 But I´m with you instead. 9 00:00:17,470 --> 00:00:20,670 My favorite story is when Ivana was up in Canada one time. 10 00:00:20,670 --> 00:00:22,370 She was selling jewelry, 11 00:00:22,370 --> 00:00:25,270 and she was describing this watch, and she said, 12 00:00:25,270 --> 00:00:27,730 "This is -- This watch is gold." 13 00:00:27,730 --> 00:00:31,230 She said, "And the dial is mother of the pearl." 14 00:00:31,230 --> 00:00:33,530 "Mother of the pearl." It was the best. 15 00:00:33,530 --> 00:00:35,770 She always put "the" before everything. 16 00:00:35,770 --> 00:00:37,470 "The Donald." 17 00:00:37,470 --> 00:00:40,330 She was very funny. She had a good sense of humor. 18 00:00:40,330 --> 00:00:42,130 But she botched up the English language 19 00:00:42,130 --> 00:00:44,100 like you just can´t even imagine. 20 00:00:44,100 --> 00:00:46,330 She said, "That´s my charm." 21 00:00:46,330 --> 00:00:48,170 WOMAN: Ivana, How do you feel? 22 00:00:48,170 --> 00:00:50,630 - I feel -- I feel great. I feel great. 23 00:00:50,630 --> 00:00:53,700 - ♫ Welcome to your life ♫ 24 00:00:53,700 --> 00:00:55,330 LINDA STASI: She was the Kardashians 25 00:00:55,330 --> 00:00:56,630 before there were Kardashians. 26 00:00:56,630 --> 00:00:58,600 She was Kris Jenner. 27 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,530 - She was the first influencer. 28 00:01:00,530 --> 00:01:04,130 - I mean, who looked like that? Giant hair and all that makeup. 29 00:01:04,130 --> 00:01:05,770 The power couple of the ´80s. 30 00:01:05,770 --> 00:01:07,670 DENNIS BASSO: Mr. and Mrs. Donald Trump. 31 00:01:07,670 --> 00:01:11,100 LINDA: Glitz, sex, scandal. 32 00:01:11,100 --> 00:01:13,170 You name it, they had it. 33 00:01:13,170 --> 00:01:15,030 PAULA FROELICH: It was, "Look. We are so glamorous. 34 00:01:15,030 --> 00:01:16,670 We are so fabulous." 35 00:01:16,670 --> 00:01:21,370 - ♫ Everybody wants to rule the world ♫ 36 00:01:21,370 --> 00:01:25,130 - She had the same kind of raw ambition that he had. 37 00:01:25,130 --> 00:01:28,070 - What if you had said, "Well, Donald and I are equal"? 38 00:01:28,070 --> 00:01:29,530 - I would have been dead! [ chuckles ] 39 00:01:29,530 --> 00:01:33,100 CINDY ADAMS: She said she was his twin. 40 00:01:33,100 --> 00:01:37,530 She wanted to be his master, not just his mistress. 41 00:01:37,530 --> 00:01:39,400 - Ivana was smarter than Donald. 42 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,030 NIKKI HASKELL: When they first got married, 43 00:01:41,030 --> 00:01:43,400 he made Ivana become an American citizen 44 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,330 because he wanted to be president. 45 00:01:45,330 --> 00:01:48,330 - He never would have been on "The Apprentice" 46 00:01:48,330 --> 00:01:51,530 without the image that she created. 47 00:01:51,530 --> 00:01:54,000 - You´re fired. - And he never would 48 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,200 have been president without "The Apprentice." 49 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,070 - I´m basically first Trump wife, okay? 50 00:01:59,070 --> 00:02:02,000 [ laughs ] I´m first lady, okay? 51 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,100 GEORGE WAYNE: She would´ve loved to have been the first lady. 52 00:02:04,100 --> 00:02:07,230 - You couldn´t knock her down. She kept getting back up. 53 00:02:07,230 --> 00:02:10,330 That´s -- I mean, that´s a role model to me. 54 00:02:10,330 --> 00:02:15,670 - ♫ Everybody wants to rule the world ♫ 55 00:02:15,670 --> 00:02:21,370 ♫♫ 56 00:02:21,370 --> 00:02:27,070 ♫♫ 57 00:02:27,070 --> 00:02:29,530 BARBARA WALTERS: What makes Ivana Trump tick? 58 00:02:29,530 --> 00:02:31,730 IVANA TRUMP: I love to live. 59 00:02:31,730 --> 00:02:35,370 I love life. I like to dance. I like to eat. 60 00:02:35,370 --> 00:02:38,200 I like to work. I like my family. 61 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,600 I like to travel. Uh, I like to live. 62 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,370 And I think that I like to do things, 63 00:02:43,370 --> 00:02:46,130 I think that what really makes me interesting. 64 00:02:46,130 --> 00:02:48,500 ♫♫ 65 00:02:48,500 --> 00:02:50,700 NIKKI: It came as a great shock 66 00:02:50,700 --> 00:02:54,770 because she was very much larger than life. 67 00:02:54,770 --> 00:02:59,770 - Ivana was hard-edged, aggressive, ambitious. 68 00:02:59,770 --> 00:03:02,670 Always perfectly attired. 69 00:03:02,670 --> 00:03:05,670 Always eye-catching. 70 00:03:05,670 --> 00:03:08,500 - She was unflappable. Just like her hair. 71 00:03:08,500 --> 00:03:10,630 Nothing was going to deter her. 72 00:03:10,630 --> 00:03:13,370 - She wasn´t like anyone else. 73 00:03:13,370 --> 00:03:15,470 She captured the hearts of the world. 74 00:03:15,470 --> 00:03:17,570 - Ivana Trump had balls. 75 00:03:17,570 --> 00:03:20,600 Like, real big steel balls. 76 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,500 This woman grew up in communist Czechoslovakia. 77 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:29,030 ♫♫ 78 00:03:29,030 --> 00:03:32,500 - My childhood was wonderful. 79 00:03:32,500 --> 00:03:36,230 A lot of people say living in a communistic country 80 00:03:36,230 --> 00:03:38,130 had to be terrible. 81 00:03:38,130 --> 00:03:42,130 But I got opportunity to excel. 82 00:03:42,130 --> 00:03:43,670 DENNIS: She´s an only child. 83 00:03:43,670 --> 00:03:45,200 When you´re an only child, 84 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,570 I think no matter where you´re from, 85 00:03:47,570 --> 00:03:51,770 you have a very different relationship with your parents. 86 00:03:51,770 --> 00:03:54,370 They´re on top of you. They´re focused on you. 87 00:03:54,370 --> 00:03:57,230 They´re giving you strength. 88 00:03:57,230 --> 00:03:59,500 WOMAN: She was involved in competitive skiing, 89 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:01,200 highly competitive. 90 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,170 DENNIS: This is a girl with a mission. 91 00:04:03,170 --> 00:04:04,700 And it´s a little bit of luck, 92 00:04:04,700 --> 00:04:08,500 it´s a lot of talent, and it´s drive. 93 00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:13,030 And she had the drive like nobody else. 94 00:04:13,030 --> 00:04:15,000 - So, for me, leaving Czechoslovakia 95 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,370 and getting out of the country, which you could not get a visa. 96 00:04:17,370 --> 00:04:20,470 You either run or skied away or -- or whatever. 97 00:04:20,470 --> 00:04:22,230 I just decided to leave. 98 00:04:22,230 --> 00:04:24,570 And, uh -- And that was most important moment 99 00:04:24,570 --> 00:04:26,730 because it gave me a life in -- in the West 100 00:04:26,730 --> 00:04:28,770 and in the land of freedom and opportunity, 101 00:04:28,770 --> 00:04:30,330 the United States! 102 00:04:30,330 --> 00:04:32,000 - And we reap the benefit of you being here! 103 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,230 [ applause ] 104 00:04:34,230 --> 00:04:37,030 DENNIS: When she got here, 105 00:04:37,030 --> 00:04:41,530 as many girls do who are pretty models, 106 00:04:41,530 --> 00:04:46,500 they get involved in the pretty-models scene. 107 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:48,200 And she wasn´t doing that. 108 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,370 She treated it like it was a job. 109 00:04:50,370 --> 00:04:52,700 - ♫ And so we´ll run ♫ 110 00:04:52,700 --> 00:04:55,630 - And she was looking straight ahead 111 00:04:55,630 --> 00:05:00,130 to find the right partner and create the right life. 112 00:05:00,130 --> 00:05:01,670 LINDA: At that time, 113 00:05:01,670 --> 00:05:07,230 he was a very fancy, rich developer. 114 00:05:07,230 --> 00:05:09,470 CINDY: Donald was a realty animal. 115 00:05:09,470 --> 00:05:12,470 But he didn´t know Paris. He didn´t know London. 116 00:05:12,470 --> 00:05:15,030 He didn´t know a king and a queen and a princess 117 00:05:15,030 --> 00:05:17,330 if he fell over them, unless they tried to rent 118 00:05:17,330 --> 00:05:19,230 a three-and-a-half-room apartment. 119 00:05:19,230 --> 00:05:23,000 So she opened all of that to him. 120 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,630 GWENDA BLAIR: When Donald was 30, 121 00:05:24,630 --> 00:05:27,370 he made what would turn out to be 122 00:05:27,370 --> 00:05:29,530 an incredibly important decision, 123 00:05:29,530 --> 00:05:33,330 which was to stop off at a singles bar on the East Side 124 00:05:33,330 --> 00:05:35,330 called Maxwell´s Plum. 125 00:05:35,330 --> 00:05:38,500 ♫♫ 126 00:05:38,500 --> 00:05:42,330 And that was the night that he met Ivana Trump. 127 00:05:42,330 --> 00:05:44,400 ♫♫ 128 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,170 AMY ROBACH: What were your first impressions 129 00:05:46,170 --> 00:05:48,070 of Donald Trump the night you met him? 130 00:05:48,070 --> 00:05:51,070 - He was just very smart, very witty. 131 00:05:51,070 --> 00:05:55,070 He was good-looking. And the all-American boy. 132 00:05:55,070 --> 00:05:57,270 - Donald talked about the moment they first met 133 00:05:57,270 --> 00:05:58,770 on "The Oprah Winfrey Show." 134 00:05:58,770 --> 00:06:02,170 - What was the "it" that let you know that this was it? 135 00:06:02,170 --> 00:06:03,630 - We just got along well, 136 00:06:03,630 --> 00:06:05,600 and there was an energy level that was there. 137 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,300 And, uh, you know, who really knows? 138 00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:08,730 Who can define what that is? 139 00:06:10,770 --> 00:06:15,130 - She had the same kind of raw ambition that he had, 140 00:06:15,130 --> 00:06:19,330 the same absolute veraciousness 141 00:06:19,330 --> 00:06:22,170 and "stop at nothing," 142 00:06:22,170 --> 00:06:25,430 completely transactional way 143 00:06:25,430 --> 00:06:27,230 of dealing with the world. 144 00:06:27,230 --> 00:06:30,230 ♫♫ 145 00:06:30,230 --> 00:06:31,670 DONALD: I look at that skyline, 146 00:06:31,670 --> 00:06:33,630 and I really say it´s the greatest in the world. 147 00:06:33,630 --> 00:06:35,500 It´s the greatest city in the world. 148 00:06:35,500 --> 00:06:38,170 NIKKI: I don´t think at that moment in time 149 00:06:38,170 --> 00:06:41,630 he was thinking about getting married or having children. 150 00:06:41,630 --> 00:06:43,200 - I´d really like to buy everything 151 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:44,730 if that were possible. WALTERS: [ laughs ] 152 00:06:44,730 --> 00:06:47,500 NIKKI: I think he was thinking about his career 153 00:06:47,500 --> 00:06:50,030 and finding a way to maneuver himself 154 00:06:50,030 --> 00:06:53,130 into the limelight in New York City. 155 00:06:55,170 --> 00:06:58,100 - For both Donald and Ivana, 156 00:06:58,100 --> 00:07:01,530 each one was exactly what they were looking for. 157 00:07:01,530 --> 00:07:04,400 She was looking for a rich American, 158 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,570 and, for him, 159 00:07:06,570 --> 00:07:12,300 she was this very glamorous blond model, 160 00:07:12,300 --> 00:07:16,000 really what he´d been after his adult life. 161 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,300 NANCY COLLINS: They were kind of the funniest couple together. 162 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:20,730 I mean, they were real outsiders. 163 00:07:20,730 --> 00:07:23,770 Here was Donald, who basically came from Queens 164 00:07:23,770 --> 00:07:26,430 and was trying to pretend he didn´t. 165 00:07:26,430 --> 00:07:29,770 She was from Czechoslovakia, and she had an accent. 166 00:07:29,770 --> 00:07:34,600 And she was, like, out of nowhere, for New York City. 167 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,300 NIKKI: She had a -- a charm that people loved, even though 168 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:41,000 they couldn´t understand what she was saying half the time. 169 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,630 And people would sit at dinner and they´d go... 170 00:07:43,630 --> 00:07:45,770 And then she´d turn her head and they´d go, "What did she say?" 171 00:07:45,770 --> 00:07:48,130 - I think it´s a terrific day. 172 00:07:48,130 --> 00:07:50,230 LINDA: Giant hair and all that makeup 173 00:07:50,230 --> 00:07:53,470 and the crazy dresses and stuff. 174 00:07:53,470 --> 00:07:57,030 She didn´t look like anybody we´d ever seen. 175 00:07:57,030 --> 00:08:00,630 - Shoulders out to here. Perfectly made up. 176 00:08:00,630 --> 00:08:04,500 Security waiting outside the door. 177 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:08,000 GEORGE: She loved her jewels. She loved her couture. 178 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,370 She loved her heels. She loved to have fun. 179 00:08:11,370 --> 00:08:12,700 - She was so adorable. 180 00:08:12,700 --> 00:08:15,300 And she and Donald were so much in love. 181 00:08:16,700 --> 00:08:18,500 - Donald Trump´s proposal to you. 182 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:20,370 Is it true he said, "If you don´t marry me, 183 00:08:20,370 --> 00:08:21,530 you´ll ruin your life"? 184 00:08:21,530 --> 00:08:22,600 - That´s for sure. 185 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,130 - Doesn´t sound too romantic. 186 00:08:24,130 --> 00:08:27,270 - Okay. [ laughs ] But we met in August. 187 00:08:27,270 --> 00:08:30,070 He wanted to get married in February. 188 00:08:30,070 --> 00:08:31,630 And I said I need a little bit more time 189 00:08:31,630 --> 00:08:33,600 to -- to become to know him. 190 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,630 So eventually we agree on April. 191 00:08:35,630 --> 00:08:37,430 - So the threat worked. 192 00:08:37,430 --> 00:08:39,170 - [ laughing ] Okay. It work. Okay. 193 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,270 NIKKI: There was an excitement to the relationship. 194 00:08:43,270 --> 00:08:46,300 I don´t know if Donald felt that he had met his match, 195 00:08:46,300 --> 00:08:49,330 but he met some woman that he could really talk to. 196 00:08:49,330 --> 00:08:51,600 LINDA: I think he probably fell in love with her 197 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,300 ´cause she was so much like him. 198 00:08:53,300 --> 00:08:54,600 He was such a narcissist. 199 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,470 It was like being married to himself. 200 00:08:56,470 --> 00:09:00,700 GWENDA: They were married less than a year after they met. 201 00:09:00,700 --> 00:09:02,670 And at the very last minute, 202 00:09:02,670 --> 00:09:05,300 Donald presented her with a prenup 203 00:09:05,300 --> 00:09:10,270 drawn up by his attorney, Roy Cohn, legendary fixer, 204 00:09:10,270 --> 00:09:13,130 and it was extremely stingy. 205 00:09:13,130 --> 00:09:17,170 - My prenuptial, I did not understand what I was signing. 206 00:09:17,170 --> 00:09:20,500 Uh, I was younger and I did not speak very well English. 207 00:09:20,500 --> 00:09:23,700 And, uh, I really -- My parents never had one. 208 00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:27,470 It did not exist in communistic Czechoslovakia. 209 00:09:27,470 --> 00:09:32,700 - During that last-minute negotiation over the prenup, 210 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:36,370 she would say, "Wait a minute. I´m not doing this." 211 00:09:36,370 --> 00:09:40,030 I think it was very indicative of how the future would go. 212 00:09:40,030 --> 00:09:43,400 She was never trying to take over, 213 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,570 but she did hold her own. 214 00:09:46,570 --> 00:09:50,530 CINDY: I remember their wedding had all sorts of celebrities. 215 00:09:50,530 --> 00:09:53,230 Every single person who was anybody 216 00:09:53,230 --> 00:09:55,570 wanted to go or was invited 217 00:09:55,570 --> 00:09:59,630 because Donald wanted everybody who was there. 218 00:09:59,630 --> 00:10:02,300 And he was in his height. 219 00:10:02,300 --> 00:10:04,370 DENNIS: They were the talk of New York. 220 00:10:04,370 --> 00:10:06,270 Mr. and Mrs. Donald Trump. 221 00:10:06,270 --> 00:10:09,370 Young, tall, attractive, doing things. 222 00:10:09,370 --> 00:10:12,070 - Ohh! Oh, no! 223 00:10:12,070 --> 00:10:14,270 - I mean, they were the toast. 224 00:10:14,270 --> 00:10:17,200 It was the ´80s. Nothing was too much. Noth-- 225 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,600 It was just unbelievable. 226 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,600 - ´80s New York was really fun. 227 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,230 It was over-the-top. Money was important. 228 00:10:26,230 --> 00:10:27,630 [ camera shutter clicks ] 229 00:10:27,630 --> 00:10:30,500 Ivana and Donald were all over the social pages. 230 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:33,330 And I think they went out almost every night. 231 00:10:33,330 --> 00:10:35,500 - You couldn´t get anything hotter. 232 00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:37,770 Both of them adored publicity. 233 00:10:37,770 --> 00:10:39,330 Both of them wanted -- 234 00:10:39,330 --> 00:10:41,200 Although they said, "No, no. No pictures," 235 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,400 they would walk right to wherever the photographers were. 236 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,100 LINDA: They were strivers. 237 00:10:46,100 --> 00:10:49,230 They were striving to be the best and the most accepted 238 00:10:49,230 --> 00:10:52,670 and to be part of the whole fancy social scene, 239 00:10:52,670 --> 00:10:54,270 which they never really were. 240 00:10:54,270 --> 00:10:56,130 They were always kind of laughed at. 241 00:10:56,130 --> 00:11:00,630 People looked their noses down at them as -- as very gauche. 242 00:11:00,630 --> 00:11:02,530 GWENDA: What Ivana exemplified, 243 00:11:02,530 --> 00:11:07,570 and really much of that era of the late ´70s, ´80s exemplified, 244 00:11:07,570 --> 00:11:09,530 was a kind of greed, 245 00:11:09,530 --> 00:11:11,400 a kind of focus 246 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,770 on material wealth, on shininess, glitziest, 247 00:11:14,770 --> 00:11:18,770 getting more, more, more, more, more. 248 00:11:18,770 --> 00:11:21,200 - She created Donald Trump. 249 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,070 - Because we can do it. We can... 250 00:11:23,070 --> 00:11:25,000 PAULA: You know, Donald Trump was just some guy 251 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,430 with a rich daddy, wanted to be someone. 252 00:11:27,430 --> 00:11:29,030 He was like, "I want this!" She was like, 253 00:11:29,030 --> 00:11:30,500 "And now I will get it done." 254 00:11:30,500 --> 00:11:33,700 - She said she was his twin. 255 00:11:33,700 --> 00:11:38,230 She wanted to be his master, not just his mistress. 256 00:11:38,230 --> 00:11:41,630 That might have been partly where some of it went wrong. 257 00:11:41,630 --> 00:11:44,100 Donald was the Empire State Building, 258 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:47,330 and she wanted to be the Statue of Liberty. 259 00:11:52,670 --> 00:11:56,400 [ Tears for Fears´ "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" plays ] 260 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,430 ♫♫ 261 00:11:58,430 --> 00:12:01,630 - ♫ Welcome to your life ♫ 262 00:12:01,630 --> 00:12:03,470 ♫♫ 263 00:12:03,470 --> 00:12:05,630 WALTERS: You´d have to have been living under a rock 264 00:12:05,630 --> 00:12:09,000 not to have heard the story of Donald and Ivana Trump. 265 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,700 They were the golden couple of the ´80s 266 00:12:10,700 --> 00:12:12,400 who seemed to have it all. 267 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,200 Good-looking and glamorous, they were an ideal match, 268 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,600 and their luxurious lifestyle, the best money could buy. 269 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,530 - ♫ Everybody wants ♫ 270 00:12:20,530 --> 00:12:25,030 ♫ To rule the world ♫ 271 00:12:25,030 --> 00:12:29,770 - She could have been the pretty blond wife 272 00:12:29,770 --> 00:12:33,570 with beautiful clothes who lived in a fancy triplex in New York 273 00:12:33,570 --> 00:12:36,270 and went around with her girlfriends every day 274 00:12:36,270 --> 00:12:37,700 and did nothing but shop. 275 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:40,570 She didn´t want that. She had a big brain. 276 00:12:40,570 --> 00:12:42,270 - She´s done so much for Atlantic City. 277 00:12:42,270 --> 00:12:44,500 - Ivana really wasn´t the "lady who lunched" kind of type. 278 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:46,730 She played the part, but she was a businesswoman. 279 00:12:46,730 --> 00:12:48,230 She was a mogul. 280 00:12:48,230 --> 00:12:50,170 [ indistinct conversation ] 281 00:12:50,170 --> 00:12:52,070 NIKKI: Ivana called me one day, 282 00:12:52,070 --> 00:12:54,630 and she said, "I´m going to work for Donald." 283 00:12:54,630 --> 00:12:56,270 I said, "Why do you want to work? You just got married. 284 00:12:56,270 --> 00:12:58,070 Why would you want to go to work?" 285 00:12:58,070 --> 00:13:00,500 She said, "No, I´m gonna work hand-in-hand with him." 286 00:13:00,500 --> 00:13:03,370 - She said to Donald, "I want to work with you." 287 00:13:03,370 --> 00:13:05,200 "Ivana Work." 288 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,030 That was one of the headlines on the Post years ago. 289 00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:11,330 BARBARA RES: At that time, they looked like they were quite in love. 290 00:13:11,330 --> 00:13:12,670 - It´s a little bit different. 291 00:13:12,670 --> 00:13:16,330 - And, um, he wanted to find a place for her. 292 00:13:16,330 --> 00:13:19,230 - She got a "vice president" title at the Trump Organization 293 00:13:19,230 --> 00:13:21,200 and she oversaw interior design. 294 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,400 - Ivana was pretty much the personification 295 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,200 of "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous," 296 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,470 and I think she wanted to be, 297 00:13:26,470 --> 00:13:28,430 and it was part of their marketing. 298 00:13:28,430 --> 00:13:30,270 It was [ as Ivana ] "Look. We are so glamorous. 299 00:13:30,270 --> 00:13:32,230 We are so fabulous. 300 00:13:32,230 --> 00:13:34,500 Aww. You cannot be us. But you can!" 301 00:13:34,500 --> 00:13:37,130 - Remember she came from communist Czechoslovakia. 302 00:13:37,130 --> 00:13:39,630 - Ivana Trump was Eastern European, 303 00:13:39,630 --> 00:13:42,100 and it´s kind of like dictator chic, right? 304 00:13:42,100 --> 00:13:45,100 Like, there´s a lot of gilt, there´s a lot of gold, 305 00:13:45,100 --> 00:13:47,200 there´s a lot of mirrors and white carpets. 306 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,370 Like, if it ain´t baroque, don´t fix it. That´s Ivana. 307 00:13:50,370 --> 00:13:54,630 And she made that Trump´s, like, inimitable style. 308 00:13:54,630 --> 00:13:57,630 ♫♫ 309 00:13:57,630 --> 00:13:59,270 RES: The first time I saw her, 310 00:13:59,270 --> 00:14:00,770 I was working on the Grand Hyatt, 311 00:14:00,770 --> 00:14:03,500 and she was walking around with Donald, 312 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:05,430 and I just went, "Whoa." 313 00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:08,500 She was just gorgeous. 314 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:10,400 NIKKI: Then Trump Tower came along. 315 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,300 Ivana went to Italy, and she bought a mountain. 316 00:14:13,300 --> 00:14:16,430 It was like -- I can´t tell you how gigantic it was. 317 00:14:16,430 --> 00:14:19,500 And it had -- It was the pink marble for the lobby. 318 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:21,570 And she and Donald worked hand-in-hand 319 00:14:21,570 --> 00:14:25,400 on building the Trump Tower, which was an amazing feat 320 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,770 and really changed the skyline, 321 00:14:27,770 --> 00:14:30,600 as Donald did with many of his developments, of New York. 322 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,670 - Ivana even goes on "This Old House" 323 00:14:32,670 --> 00:14:35,500 to show off the interiors of the newly built Trump Tower. 324 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:38,470 - What is all this? These walls are superb. 325 00:14:38,470 --> 00:14:41,230 - It´s a mural which was painted by the German artist. 326 00:14:41,230 --> 00:14:42,770 They were commissioned by us. 327 00:14:42,770 --> 00:14:45,370 And you can see the very beautiful workmanship. 328 00:14:45,370 --> 00:14:47,600 24-karat gold. - Yeah. 329 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,630 - And they spent two months 330 00:14:49,630 --> 00:14:51,670 from morning to evening to working on this. 331 00:14:51,670 --> 00:14:54,500 RES: By the time Trump Tower was done, 332 00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:57,200 he was a big, big celebrity. 333 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,600 - He is a chip off the old block. 334 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,630 - My -- My father, Fred Trump. - This is -- Right. 335 00:15:03,470 --> 00:15:06,370 - He made it known that she worked in the business. 336 00:15:06,370 --> 00:15:07,630 She was "with me in the business." 337 00:15:07,630 --> 00:15:10,130 - Ivana and Donald Trump, congratulations. 338 00:15:10,130 --> 00:15:11,370 - Thank you so much, Nikki. Thank you. 339 00:15:11,370 --> 00:15:12,470 - It´s like having a baby, right? 340 00:15:12,470 --> 00:15:13,730 Tonight you gave birth. 341 00:15:13,730 --> 00:15:15,330 - My second one, right? [ laughs ] 342 00:15:15,330 --> 00:15:17,630 DENNIS: I believe that Donald Trump 343 00:15:17,630 --> 00:15:20,370 respected her power and her vision. 344 00:15:20,370 --> 00:15:24,230 He could trust her, and she worked for the company. 345 00:15:24,230 --> 00:15:28,430 When she was working, she was a company girl, 100%. 346 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,230 LINDA: I think they were very similar 347 00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:36,500 because she was incredibly ambitious, 348 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:40,770 incredibly forward, and not shy at all. 349 00:15:40,770 --> 00:15:42,700 She promoted herself. She promoted Donald. 350 00:15:42,700 --> 00:15:44,430 She promoted all their buildings. 351 00:15:44,430 --> 00:15:46,300 She promoted like crazy. 352 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:48,670 - When Ivana referred to her husband, 353 00:15:48,670 --> 00:15:51,300 she famously called him "The Donald." 354 00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:53,030 -Do you really call him "The Donald"? 355 00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:55,400 - I really started it. I wasn´t sure -- 356 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,500 It´s my bad English, I suppose. 357 00:15:57,500 --> 00:15:59,530 - So it´s "The Plaza," "the apartment"... 358 00:15:59,530 --> 00:16:01,170 - It´s -- Yes. - "The husband," "The Donald"? 359 00:16:01,170 --> 00:16:02,330 - Yes. - Okay. 360 00:16:02,330 --> 00:16:04,200 MAN: Miss Trump? Miss Trump? 361 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,170 LINDA: She was the Kardashians before there were Kardashians. 362 00:16:07,170 --> 00:16:08,630 She was Kris Jenner. 363 00:16:08,630 --> 00:16:11,070 - Ivana was the neck that moved the head. 364 00:16:11,070 --> 00:16:14,230 RES: I don´t know that he would have done as well 365 00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:16,630 with somebody that wasn´t as smart as she. 366 00:16:16,630 --> 00:16:19,100 Donald was bright enough -- 367 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:21,100 I mean, no genius -- 368 00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:23,200 but Ivana was smarter than Donald. 369 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,000 ♫♫ 370 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:31,300 DENNIS: They were part of that solid Upper East Side. 371 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:35,030 She was not part of the nighttime scene 372 00:16:35,030 --> 00:16:36,770 at all, ever. 373 00:16:36,770 --> 00:16:38,500 I was a little bit a part of that, 374 00:16:38,500 --> 00:16:40,330 and I´d call her and say, "Come on." 375 00:16:40,330 --> 00:16:42,070 She says, "No, no, no. 376 00:16:42,070 --> 00:16:44,170 I have a meeting at 8:00 a. m. with the contractors." 377 00:16:44,170 --> 00:16:47,000 "No, no, no. At 6:00, I´m on the helicopter 378 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,130 to go to Atlantic City." [ grumbles ] 379 00:16:49,130 --> 00:16:52,770 And her kids -- her kids were paramount. 380 00:16:52,770 --> 00:16:55,330 ♫♫ 381 00:16:55,330 --> 00:16:57,600 - Donald and Ivana had three children -- 382 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,430 Donald Jr., Ivanka, and Eric. 383 00:17:00,430 --> 00:17:02,500 - She just knocked out those kids one, two, three. 384 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:05,600 - I love my kids, but I didn´t want them to get in trouble. 385 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,070 I wanted the discipline and the schedule. 386 00:17:08,070 --> 00:17:10,770 I think you -- when you keep your kids busy, 387 00:17:10,770 --> 00:17:13,530 you know, they have no troub-- time to get in trouble. 388 00:17:13,530 --> 00:17:15,300 DENNIS: She was tight. She was strict. 389 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:17,670 She was a European mother. - We have an amazing mother, 390 00:17:17,670 --> 00:17:19,370 and she held us to a very high standard. 391 00:17:19,370 --> 00:17:21,030 - My mother was much more the old-school 392 00:17:21,030 --> 00:17:23,000 Eastern European strong disciplinarian. 393 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,470 - I grew up surrounded -- as a little girl -- 394 00:17:25,470 --> 00:17:28,500 surrounded by strong female mentors. 395 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:30,230 - She didn´t want to be your new best friend. 396 00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:32,030 She wanted to be your mother. 397 00:17:32,030 --> 00:17:34,530 - And I was flying at 8:00 in the morning after breakfast 398 00:17:34,530 --> 00:17:37,730 with the kids for Atlantic City on the helicopter. 399 00:17:37,730 --> 00:17:40,100 I was there until 5:00, 6:00. 400 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:42,570 I would come back home and to do homework with the kids, 401 00:17:42,570 --> 00:17:45,270 have a dinner with them, and then I would go -- 402 00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:48,230 In ´80s, I had to go and dress up in the ball gown, 403 00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:50,370 matching shoes, matching handbag, 404 00:17:50,370 --> 00:17:53,200 the jewelry and all that stuff. 405 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:54,500 LINDA: She must have been a good mom 406 00:17:54,500 --> 00:17:56,370 because her kids really love her, 407 00:17:56,370 --> 00:17:59,170 but I don´t think she was like what, you know -- 408 00:17:59,170 --> 00:18:01,070 "I can do at all." 409 00:18:01,070 --> 00:18:03,070 I think she was mostly business. 410 00:18:03,070 --> 00:18:05,230 NIKKI: People loved Ivana, 411 00:18:05,230 --> 00:18:08,070 and I think they were really a great couple. 412 00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:10,770 It´s not enough for just one person to be fabulous 413 00:18:10,770 --> 00:18:12,630 and the other one to be sort of mediocre. 414 00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:14,330 - She was as out there as he was. 415 00:18:14,330 --> 00:18:16,500 She was also as driven as he was. 416 00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:18,400 - If Ivana wasn´t involved in his business, 417 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,170 there would have been no business. 418 00:18:20,170 --> 00:18:22,300 - Donald Trump bought The Plaza Hotel 419 00:18:22,300 --> 00:18:24,500 and then put Ivana in charge. 420 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:28,400 PAULA: She was the manager of The Plaza. 421 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,370 - I remember he, um -- 422 00:18:30,370 --> 00:18:34,170 he was interviewed about that, you know, and he made a joke. 423 00:18:34,170 --> 00:18:37,030 DAME EDNA: Does he pay you a very big salary for being...? 424 00:18:37,030 --> 00:18:38,500 [ laughter ] 425 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:40,200 - Just can´t get away. 426 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,070 - People always talk money around you, don´t they? 427 00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:43,600 IVANA: I get one dollar a year. 428 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,330 MAN: One dollar a year. Do you have any other perks? 429 00:18:46,330 --> 00:18:47,670 DONALD: Yes, all the dresses she can buy, 430 00:18:47,670 --> 00:18:50,030 and that costs me a lot of money. 431 00:18:50,030 --> 00:18:52,430 It´s a lousy deal I made. That´s one of my bad deals. 432 00:18:52,430 --> 00:18:56,030 - A dollar a year and "all the dresses she can buy." 433 00:18:56,030 --> 00:18:58,270 And it was such a horrible thing to say. 434 00:18:58,270 --> 00:19:01,400 I mean, it was just -- She was devastated by that remark. 435 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,270 I mean, he was building her up. 436 00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:06,000 "She ran the casino, and she´s now gonna do The Plaza Hotel." 437 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,200 She felt very bad about that. 438 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,470 She wanted to please him, 439 00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:12,770 and she wanted him to respect her. 440 00:19:12,770 --> 00:19:15,470 But I´ll tell you, they had some kind of a party 441 00:19:15,470 --> 00:19:18,330 for her or something, and they were applauding her. 442 00:19:18,330 --> 00:19:20,330 And he was like, "Who the hell are you?" 443 00:19:20,330 --> 00:19:21,630 It was like he wasn´t there. 444 00:19:21,630 --> 00:19:25,070 In his face, I saw the anger. 445 00:19:25,070 --> 00:19:27,400 "What the hell? People are admiring her? 446 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,770 And I´m standing here?" 447 00:19:28,770 --> 00:19:31,070 GEORGE: There was tension between Donald and Ivana 448 00:19:31,070 --> 00:19:34,100 because she was becoming too popular 449 00:19:34,100 --> 00:19:36,130 and getting more press than he was. 450 00:19:36,130 --> 00:19:38,030 Everyone fell in love with Ivana, 451 00:19:38,030 --> 00:19:42,600 and I think, deep down, Donald resented it. 452 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,300 CINDY: She was the one you went to for The Plaza. 453 00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:48,730 She was the one if you wanted a room in Atlantic City. 454 00:19:48,730 --> 00:19:51,070 She was the one for everything. 455 00:19:51,070 --> 00:19:55,070 And she was taking some of the excitement away. 456 00:19:55,070 --> 00:19:56,630 He wasn´t gonna have it. 457 00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:59,230 - What if you had said, "Well, Donald and I are equal 458 00:19:59,230 --> 00:20:01,000 and I feel very independent"? 459 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,500 - [ laughs ] I would have been dead! 460 00:20:04,770 --> 00:20:08,370 - She was absolutely as ambitious as he was 461 00:20:08,370 --> 00:20:10,430 and almost more so. 462 00:20:10,430 --> 00:20:14,000 But the interesting thing is that she sold them as a couple, 463 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,530 the branding as a couple, 464 00:20:15,530 --> 00:20:18,430 but her -- probably her big mistake 465 00:20:18,430 --> 00:20:22,630 was to make him more famous than she was 466 00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:25,130 because he started to believe his own press. 467 00:20:28,692 --> 00:20:30,392 ♫♫ 468 00:20:30,392 --> 00:20:33,432 NIKKI: This is the Trump Tower. 469 00:20:33,432 --> 00:20:34,832 This is Donald Trump, 470 00:20:34,832 --> 00:20:37,762 financier, entrepreneur, consummate businessman, 471 00:20:37,762 --> 00:20:41,492 and the man behind the Tower project. 472 00:20:41,492 --> 00:20:43,162 And this is Ivana Trump, 473 00:20:43,162 --> 00:20:45,432 the woman behind the man behind the Tower. 474 00:20:45,432 --> 00:20:47,192 But make no mistake. 475 00:20:47,192 --> 00:20:49,692 Dedicated wife and mother, she is still her own person 476 00:20:49,692 --> 00:20:51,862 and has her own life with Donald. 477 00:20:51,862 --> 00:20:55,392 ♫♫ 478 00:20:55,392 --> 00:20:58,792 They were the perfect couple. Everything was so great. 479 00:20:58,792 --> 00:21:01,562 And then all of a sudden, it comes tumbling down. 480 00:21:01,562 --> 00:21:03,632 So, I was having lunch with Ivana one day, 481 00:21:03,632 --> 00:21:05,392 and just at the end of the lunch, I said, 482 00:21:05,392 --> 00:21:08,332 "You know, I´ve heard that Donald is cheating on you." 483 00:21:08,332 --> 00:21:09,932 She goes, "What are you talking about?" 484 00:21:09,932 --> 00:21:12,332 - She was a diamond that sparkled. 485 00:21:12,332 --> 00:21:14,562 That´s what he loved. 486 00:21:14,562 --> 00:21:16,862 It´s just that, after a while, 487 00:21:16,862 --> 00:21:20,632 the diamond lost some of its glistening. 488 00:21:20,632 --> 00:21:23,232 NANCY: How do you know if your husband´s having an affair? 489 00:21:23,232 --> 00:21:26,562 - Well, if the man suddenly goes and starts to exercise 490 00:21:26,562 --> 00:21:28,392 and loses thousand pounds 491 00:21:28,392 --> 00:21:30,832 and he is polishing his nails and he has the, you know -- 492 00:21:30,832 --> 00:21:34,392 He goes and he buys the new suits and -- and all that. 493 00:21:34,392 --> 00:21:37,762 You know, there are usually signs that this is something 494 00:21:37,762 --> 00:21:39,932 out of the character of the person. 495 00:21:39,932 --> 00:21:43,432 And if he didn´t do it for you, who is he doing for? 496 00:21:43,432 --> 00:21:44,832 - Did you see warning signs? 497 00:21:44,832 --> 00:21:46,592 - Uh, I didn´t. 498 00:21:46,592 --> 00:21:48,532 - Hm. - I didn´t. 499 00:21:49,892 --> 00:21:52,862 RES: He was seeing Marla Maples at the time. 500 00:21:52,862 --> 00:21:55,562 Maybe everyone in the world except Ivana knew this. 501 00:21:55,562 --> 00:21:57,662 - For the first several years of Donald´s affair 502 00:21:57,662 --> 00:21:59,462 with Marla Maples, 503 00:21:59,462 --> 00:22:02,692 he was quite successful at hiding this from Ivana. 504 00:22:02,692 --> 00:22:04,892 - Marla Maples was a former beauty queen 505 00:22:04,892 --> 00:22:07,432 and an aspiring model from Georgia. 506 00:22:07,432 --> 00:22:10,632 GWENDA: Beautiful, gorgeous, a model. 507 00:22:10,632 --> 00:22:14,832 But soft, Southern, 508 00:22:14,832 --> 00:22:16,592 not hard-edged... 509 00:22:16,592 --> 00:22:18,892 no interest in going to construction sites, 510 00:22:18,892 --> 00:22:21,892 no interest in being anything but supportive. 511 00:22:21,892 --> 00:22:25,432 - Marla was -- She was totally, I mean, you know... 512 00:22:25,432 --> 00:22:28,262 "Look at me with this 26-year-old hottie." 513 00:22:28,262 --> 00:22:33,462 ♫♫ 514 00:22:33,462 --> 00:22:37,232 WALTERS: And then came Christmas, Aspen. 515 00:22:37,232 --> 00:22:40,192 Can you tell us what happened, what you felt, what you learned? 516 00:22:40,192 --> 00:22:44,692 ♫♫ 517 00:22:44,692 --> 00:22:46,562 It´s still hard, isn´t it? 518 00:22:46,562 --> 00:22:49,462 ♫♫ 519 00:22:49,462 --> 00:22:51,592 - It´s tough. 520 00:22:51,592 --> 00:22:53,592 - Tell us as much as you can of that day. 521 00:22:53,592 --> 00:22:56,232 You´re on the ski slope with your kids. 522 00:22:58,592 --> 00:23:00,832 - Uh... 523 00:23:00,832 --> 00:23:03,232 I think it was just -- It was said too many times. 524 00:23:03,232 --> 00:23:05,262 I don´t think I want to go into it. 525 00:23:05,262 --> 00:23:06,792 ♫♫ 526 00:23:06,792 --> 00:23:08,762 LINDA: I was at New York Newsday, 527 00:23:08,762 --> 00:23:10,692 and a friend of mine called me up and said, 528 00:23:10,692 --> 00:23:13,462 "Oh, my God. I´m on the ski slopes in Aspen. 529 00:23:13,462 --> 00:23:15,362 And Trump´s girlfriend 530 00:23:15,362 --> 00:23:17,492 just had a confrontation with Ivana!" 531 00:23:17,492 --> 00:23:19,292 NIKKI: My girlfriend calls me. 532 00:23:19,292 --> 00:23:21,332 She goes, "You´re not gonna believe what´s happening," 533 00:23:21,332 --> 00:23:23,162 and this woman, Marla Maples. 534 00:23:23,162 --> 00:23:24,432 I say, "Who´s Marla Maples?" 535 00:23:24,432 --> 00:23:26,262 She said, "That´s Donald´s mistress." 536 00:23:26,262 --> 00:23:28,262 I said, "What are you talking about?" 537 00:23:28,262 --> 00:23:30,692 She said, "And Ivana´s crying. 538 00:23:30,692 --> 00:23:34,462 And she´s skiing backwards and she´s screaming at her." 539 00:23:34,462 --> 00:23:36,832 IVANA: Marla just charged right behind me. 540 00:23:36,832 --> 00:23:39,362 And she said in front of my children -- 541 00:23:39,362 --> 00:23:41,632 they were about five feet away -- 542 00:23:41,632 --> 00:23:44,662 And Donald was just looking up like nothing would happen, so... 543 00:23:44,662 --> 00:23:47,892 WALTERS: She said, "I´m Marla, and I love your husband. 544 00:23:47,892 --> 00:23:49,662 Do you?" - Yes. 545 00:23:49,662 --> 00:23:51,362 - What did you say? 546 00:23:51,362 --> 00:23:53,492 - I said -- I said, uh -- 547 00:23:53,492 --> 00:23:57,262 I said, "Get lost. I love my husband very much." 548 00:23:57,262 --> 00:24:00,362 It was very unladylike, but it was as much as I recall. 549 00:24:00,362 --> 00:24:03,192 That was as much as I really -- 550 00:24:03,192 --> 00:24:05,792 as harsh as maybe I could be. 551 00:24:05,792 --> 00:24:07,832 LINDA: It was a very loud confrontation. 552 00:24:07,832 --> 00:24:11,332 [ laughing ] And a lot of people heard it. 553 00:24:11,332 --> 00:24:14,632 GWENDA: The world reacted with total fascination 554 00:24:14,632 --> 00:24:16,692 to the soap opera of soap operas -- 555 00:24:16,692 --> 00:24:18,332 Donald and Ivana, 556 00:24:18,332 --> 00:24:20,562 the power couple of the ´80s, were imploding. 557 00:24:20,562 --> 00:24:22,692 - It was everything you could possibly imagine. 558 00:24:22,692 --> 00:24:25,832 Glitz, sex, scandal. 559 00:24:25,832 --> 00:24:27,562 You name it, they had it. 560 00:24:27,562 --> 00:24:30,332 The whole world was just, "Donald and Marla, 561 00:24:30,332 --> 00:24:32,532 Donald and Ivana, Donald and Marla." 562 00:24:32,532 --> 00:24:34,562 - He got caught, and Donald loved it. 563 00:24:34,562 --> 00:24:36,692 Donald didn´t care. He loved all the publicity. 564 00:24:36,692 --> 00:24:39,932 DONALD: I mean, my life was so great in so many ways -- 565 00:24:39,932 --> 00:24:41,862 a beautiful girlfriend, 566 00:24:41,862 --> 00:24:45,192 beautiful wife, beautiful everything. 567 00:24:45,192 --> 00:24:47,362 - I began to talk to Donald daily. 568 00:24:47,362 --> 00:24:49,892 Every single day, I talked to Donald. 569 00:24:49,892 --> 00:24:54,332 She, Ivana, called Liz Smith, who was my counterpart, 570 00:24:54,332 --> 00:24:56,362 and she told the story. 571 00:24:56,362 --> 00:24:58,562 - Every day on the front page of the paper, 572 00:24:58,562 --> 00:25:01,592 it was, "I´ve never had sex like this before." 573 00:25:01,592 --> 00:25:03,732 - What do you think of Marla? 574 00:25:03,732 --> 00:25:05,692 - Um... 575 00:25:05,692 --> 00:25:07,362 I really... - The truth. 576 00:25:07,362 --> 00:25:09,292 - ...don´t want to really comment on it. 577 00:25:09,292 --> 00:25:11,362 - Hm. She says she had nothing to do 578 00:25:11,362 --> 00:25:13,692 with the breakup of your marriage. 579 00:25:13,692 --> 00:25:15,432 - Wow. 580 00:25:15,432 --> 00:25:18,262 Uh, she´s the woman in -- in Donald´s life. 581 00:25:18,262 --> 00:25:22,162 - I think that putting a wife to work is a very dangerous thing. 582 00:25:22,162 --> 00:25:23,392 I mean, we´ll make -- we´ll do 583 00:25:23,392 --> 00:25:25,292 an educational program here, okay? 584 00:25:25,292 --> 00:25:26,662 If you´re in business for yourself, 585 00:25:26,662 --> 00:25:28,562 I really think it´s a bad idea 586 00:25:28,562 --> 00:25:29,792 to put your wife working for you. 587 00:25:29,792 --> 00:25:31,632 There was a great softness to Ivana, 588 00:25:31,632 --> 00:25:33,462 and she still has that softness. 589 00:25:33,462 --> 00:25:35,762 But during this period of time, 590 00:25:35,762 --> 00:25:38,592 she became an executive, not a wife. 591 00:25:38,592 --> 00:25:41,362 I think that was the single greatest cause 592 00:25:41,362 --> 00:25:45,432 of what happened to my marriage with Ivana. 593 00:25:47,262 --> 00:25:49,332 MAN: The couple that, for many, symbolized the ´80s 594 00:25:49,332 --> 00:25:50,762 is splitting up. 595 00:25:50,762 --> 00:25:53,592 JOHNNY CARSON: The Trumps have hit some bumps. 596 00:25:53,592 --> 00:25:56,892 - It was very acrimonious. It was very nasty. 597 00:25:56,892 --> 00:25:59,462 - "Ivana Better Deal." The best headline of ´em all! 598 00:25:59,462 --> 00:26:02,662 - She was having such problems because of the children. 599 00:26:02,662 --> 00:26:04,532 Kids at school were telling the kids, 600 00:26:04,532 --> 00:26:06,532 "Oh, I hear your parents are getting divorced 601 00:26:06,532 --> 00:26:08,532 and your father´s cheating on your mother." 602 00:26:08,532 --> 00:26:11,532 Her main concern was not subjecting them 603 00:26:11,532 --> 00:26:14,862 to this wrath of the divorce. 604 00:26:14,862 --> 00:26:17,192 NANCY: The women were on Ivana´s side, 605 00:26:17,192 --> 00:26:20,262 and the men, I suppose, were on Donald´s side. 606 00:26:20,262 --> 00:26:22,292 They wished they could pull that off. 607 00:26:22,292 --> 00:26:26,362 So everybody had a stake in this drama. 608 00:26:26,362 --> 00:26:29,332 Donald wanted to make Marla acceptable, 609 00:26:29,332 --> 00:26:31,262 not known as a home wrecker. 610 00:26:31,262 --> 00:26:34,392 - He would call up and say, "Oh, it´s getting nasty," 611 00:26:34,392 --> 00:26:36,392 and then try to promote Marla. 612 00:26:36,392 --> 00:26:39,562 All he was trying to do was legitimatize Marla 613 00:26:39,562 --> 00:26:43,392 and make it seem like Ivana was just a big pain in his rump. 614 00:26:43,392 --> 00:26:44,932 NIKKI: It was pretty terrible, 615 00:26:44,932 --> 00:26:48,392 but Ivana, to her credit, kept it together like a trouper. 616 00:26:48,392 --> 00:26:49,862 - I just wish him happiness. 617 00:26:49,862 --> 00:26:51,492 He´s father of my children, and I wish him best. 618 00:26:51,492 --> 00:26:54,232 I hope that she makes him happy, and if she does, 619 00:26:54,232 --> 00:26:57,762 that´s all what I really want for him. 620 00:26:57,762 --> 00:27:00,162 WALTERS: You´re very generous about him. 621 00:27:00,162 --> 00:27:01,632 - He´s father of my three children. 622 00:27:01,632 --> 00:27:04,732 We have been together for 13 years. 623 00:27:04,732 --> 00:27:06,862 - There were reports that last year 624 00:27:06,862 --> 00:27:09,832 Marla Maples wanted to make amends with you. 625 00:27:09,832 --> 00:27:13,632 - She asked the Daily News in -- in London 626 00:27:13,632 --> 00:27:15,862 if I would accept her apology. 627 00:27:15,862 --> 00:27:19,532 I said, "Apology is absolutely not accepted." 628 00:27:19,532 --> 00:27:21,292 I never accept her apology. 629 00:27:21,292 --> 00:27:23,762 She ruined my family and my marriage. 630 00:27:23,762 --> 00:27:25,892 I just call her the show girl. That´s all. 631 00:27:25,892 --> 00:27:28,192 - And yet you accepted Donald´s apology. 632 00:27:28,192 --> 00:27:30,492 Why accept Donald´s apology and not hers? 633 00:27:30,492 --> 00:27:32,532 - Because he was father of my three children. 634 00:27:32,532 --> 00:27:35,492 Very good provider. So this is why. 635 00:27:35,492 --> 00:27:36,892 - How do you forgive something like that? 636 00:27:36,892 --> 00:27:39,292 It´s not just that he cheated on her. 637 00:27:39,292 --> 00:27:40,832 He was worldwide! 638 00:27:40,832 --> 00:27:44,592 She was shamed all over the world as this woman scorned. 639 00:27:44,592 --> 00:27:47,332 Ugh! You don´t forgive that. 640 00:27:47,332 --> 00:27:49,592 ♫♫ 641 00:27:49,592 --> 00:27:52,762 - In 1992 in the final divorce settlement, 642 00:27:52,762 --> 00:27:55,392 what Ivana got was $14 million, 643 00:27:55,392 --> 00:27:59,792 a 45-room mansion in Greenwich, Connecticut. 644 00:27:59,792 --> 00:28:02,592 GWENDA: She got a month a year at Mar-a-Lago, 645 00:28:02,592 --> 00:28:05,732 plus $600,000 a year 646 00:28:05,732 --> 00:28:07,792 for raising the three children. 647 00:28:07,792 --> 00:28:10,762 - That was seen very good at the time by most people. 648 00:28:10,762 --> 00:28:13,732 I thought she got a pittance of what she could have gotten. 649 00:28:13,732 --> 00:28:17,592 - She got the settlement and she got that house in Connecticut. 650 00:28:17,592 --> 00:28:19,262 She flipped it, and, you know, 651 00:28:19,262 --> 00:28:23,392 immediately doubled her alimony, as it were. 652 00:28:23,392 --> 00:28:25,292 WALTERS: Did Donald want the marriage 653 00:28:25,292 --> 00:28:29,192 or does he say, "This is it; I have to separate"? 654 00:28:29,192 --> 00:28:32,632 - Um, it really was my decision. 655 00:28:32,632 --> 00:28:36,332 Um, I tried for two months, as you know, until February. 656 00:28:36,332 --> 00:28:39,832 I tried to live with the idea that I´ve been cheated on 657 00:28:39,832 --> 00:28:41,562 and I´ve been lied to. 658 00:28:41,562 --> 00:28:43,492 And -- And I decided, uh, 659 00:28:43,492 --> 00:28:48,262 that that´s not the life which I want to live. 660 00:28:48,262 --> 00:28:50,892 WALTERS: Do you still love Donald? 661 00:28:50,892 --> 00:28:53,232 - Uh, I don´t love Donald 662 00:28:53,232 --> 00:28:56,462 as the woman would love a man. 663 00:28:56,462 --> 00:28:58,632 I do have affection for him. 664 00:28:58,632 --> 00:29:00,932 WALTERS: Would you ever take him back? 665 00:29:00,932 --> 00:29:02,832 IVANA: I would not take him back 666 00:29:02,832 --> 00:29:06,292 because I think the whole story would repeat eventually again. 667 00:29:09,532 --> 00:29:14,232 ♫♫ 668 00:29:14,232 --> 00:29:17,192 IVANA: Life goes on. You have to trust in yourself. 669 00:29:17,192 --> 00:29:19,232 You have to believe in yourself. 670 00:29:19,232 --> 00:29:21,362 If you have a confidence, 671 00:29:21,362 --> 00:29:23,632 you -- you can really do almost anything. 672 00:29:23,632 --> 00:29:25,762 - I think she was really the epitome 673 00:29:25,762 --> 00:29:27,692 of looking good is the best revenge 674 00:29:27,692 --> 00:29:29,692 and living well is the best revenge. 675 00:29:29,692 --> 00:29:31,232 WALTER: She sounds different, 676 00:29:31,232 --> 00:29:33,432 she looks different, she is different. 677 00:29:33,432 --> 00:29:37,892 I was invited to the Citymeals on Wheels Power Lunch for Women. 678 00:29:37,892 --> 00:29:40,732 And that was, like, the big, big deal to get invited. 679 00:29:40,732 --> 00:29:45,232 And this blonde walks in with this giant Ronettes hairdo. 680 00:29:45,232 --> 00:29:48,232 Now, these are the most influential women in New York. 681 00:29:48,232 --> 00:29:49,892 They know everybody. 682 00:29:49,892 --> 00:29:52,892 And we were all like, "Who the hell is that person?" 683 00:29:52,892 --> 00:29:55,762 I mean, back then, in the early ´90s, 684 00:29:55,762 --> 00:29:57,662 who got plastic surgery 685 00:29:57,662 --> 00:30:00,192 to really completely reinvent yourself? 686 00:30:00,192 --> 00:30:02,732 ♫♫ 687 00:30:02,732 --> 00:30:04,332 - You never looked better. 688 00:30:04,332 --> 00:30:06,732 You want to tell us about the transformation? 689 00:30:06,732 --> 00:30:08,932 You were always beautiful. You´re more beautiful. 690 00:30:08,932 --> 00:30:12,192 - If you´re talking about, uh, 691 00:30:12,192 --> 00:30:14,932 uh, uh, makeup, hair, or -- 692 00:30:14,932 --> 00:30:19,362 I do believe that women should take care of themselves. 693 00:30:19,362 --> 00:30:22,532 I do believe in exercise. I do believe in health food. 694 00:30:22,532 --> 00:30:25,262 I do believe in plastic surgery if needed. 695 00:30:25,262 --> 00:30:27,692 I do believe in improving yourself. 696 00:30:27,692 --> 00:30:31,232 - And we were at her house in Palm Beach, 697 00:30:31,232 --> 00:30:34,592 and I said, "You know, my fashion show is coming up. 698 00:30:34,592 --> 00:30:36,292 I want you to finale it." 699 00:30:36,292 --> 00:30:38,162 And she said, "Yes!" 700 00:30:38,162 --> 00:30:39,762 [ camera shutter clicking ] 701 00:30:39,762 --> 00:30:44,762 And we made her this rare pale 702 00:30:44,762 --> 00:30:46,692 golden sable coat. 703 00:30:46,692 --> 00:30:49,762 She did that runway show. 704 00:30:49,762 --> 00:30:51,862 It was a surprise. 705 00:30:51,862 --> 00:30:53,762 And the room went crazy. 706 00:30:53,762 --> 00:30:57,762 And we had her come out to the song 707 00:30:57,762 --> 00:30:59,462 "I´m Every Woman." 708 00:30:59,462 --> 00:31:02,332 - ♫ I´m every woman ♫ 709 00:31:02,332 --> 00:31:04,332 ♫ It´s all in me ♫ 710 00:31:04,332 --> 00:31:07,392 - She managed to not look like 711 00:31:07,392 --> 00:31:10,392 the sad, scorned wife afterwards. 712 00:31:10,392 --> 00:31:12,232 I mean, at the beginning, she did, 713 00:31:12,232 --> 00:31:14,332 but -- but post-divorce, 714 00:31:14,332 --> 00:31:16,932 she -- she really reinvented herself. 715 00:31:16,932 --> 00:31:18,862 - She came out, and she was like, 716 00:31:18,862 --> 00:31:21,432 you know, in that movie "The First Wives Club." 717 00:31:21,432 --> 00:31:23,792 - Ladies, we have to be strong and independent. 718 00:31:23,792 --> 00:31:25,862 And remember. - What? 719 00:31:25,862 --> 00:31:28,692 - Don´t get mad. Get everything! 720 00:31:28,692 --> 00:31:31,662 - That, still to this day, is a quotable line 721 00:31:31,662 --> 00:31:33,632 that I think a lot of women refer to 722 00:31:33,632 --> 00:31:35,462 when they think about Ivana Trump. 723 00:31:35,462 --> 00:31:38,632 - She got what she wanted on her own terms 724 00:31:38,632 --> 00:31:42,162 and became the face for divorce, 725 00:31:42,162 --> 00:31:45,192 which for a lot of people, you still didn´t talk about it. 726 00:31:45,192 --> 00:31:47,232 - Ivana is the original first wife, 727 00:31:47,232 --> 00:31:49,232 a woman who turned an untidy divorce 728 00:31:49,232 --> 00:31:50,592 from billionaire Donald Trump 729 00:31:50,592 --> 00:31:52,562 into a battle cry for women everywhere 730 00:31:52,562 --> 00:31:55,632 to not get even, get everything. 731 00:31:55,632 --> 00:31:59,192 GWENDA: She absolutely followed the advice that she gave. 732 00:31:59,192 --> 00:32:02,592 She developed her own business empire... 733 00:32:02,592 --> 00:32:03,892 - It´s nice to see you. 734 00:32:03,892 --> 00:32:05,632 - What a great collection this is, Ivana. 735 00:32:05,632 --> 00:32:07,532 - Yeah, I´m very proud of it. 736 00:32:07,532 --> 00:32:09,492 GWENDA: ...became a multimillionaire... 737 00:32:09,492 --> 00:32:11,232 - What we have in our House of Ivana 738 00:32:11,232 --> 00:32:13,892 is a line of cosmetics, as you see, the perfumes. 739 00:32:13,892 --> 00:32:15,392 I also have a skin care. 740 00:32:15,392 --> 00:32:17,362 We have a line for the body. 741 00:32:17,362 --> 00:32:19,892 We have a line of jewelry that you can see. 742 00:32:19,892 --> 00:32:22,832 - We´re all wearing it. - Pearls and all that. 743 00:32:22,832 --> 00:32:25,632 GWENDA: ...and wrote books, was on TV, 744 00:32:25,632 --> 00:32:29,292 cameo roles, talk shows, advice columnist. 745 00:32:29,292 --> 00:32:34,892 - ♫ Everybody wants to rule the world ♫ 746 00:32:34,892 --> 00:32:36,932 - Ivana even does a Pizza Hut commercial 747 00:32:36,932 --> 00:32:38,762 with her ex, Donald Trump. 748 00:32:38,762 --> 00:32:40,292 - May I have the last slice? 749 00:32:40,292 --> 00:32:42,532 - Actually, you´re only entitled to half. 750 00:32:42,532 --> 00:32:44,392 - I mean, how great is that! 751 00:32:44,392 --> 00:32:48,262 You have this sort of public battle, 752 00:32:48,262 --> 00:32:51,192 you get divorced. 753 00:32:51,192 --> 00:32:54,262 The next thing you know, both of you are looking fabulous 754 00:32:54,262 --> 00:32:56,262 and you´re making a national commercial. 755 00:32:56,262 --> 00:33:00,432 - I said to myself, "Wow. What strength of character." 756 00:33:00,432 --> 00:33:03,762 What a woman, that she could forgive Donald. 757 00:33:03,762 --> 00:33:06,932 - I think it was Ivana´s way of, like, sticking it to Marla. 758 00:33:06,932 --> 00:33:09,832 You know, she figured, "Screw you," you know? 759 00:33:09,832 --> 00:33:11,932 "They want me to do this commercial with Donald? 760 00:33:11,932 --> 00:33:13,592 I´m gonna do it." 761 00:33:13,592 --> 00:33:17,562 ♫♫ 762 00:33:17,562 --> 00:33:19,362 - After my divorce or my separation, 763 00:33:19,362 --> 00:33:21,162 I could not even look at a man. 764 00:33:21,162 --> 00:33:24,192 I said I don´t want to see another man as long as I live! 765 00:33:24,192 --> 00:33:26,632 Cannot live with them, you cannot live without them. 766 00:33:26,632 --> 00:33:30,562 - After Donald Trump, there were two more husbands, 767 00:33:30,562 --> 00:33:33,862 two more divorces, both Italian men. 768 00:33:33,862 --> 00:33:35,562 - Everybody she went with was Italian 769 00:33:35,562 --> 00:33:37,232 whose name began with an "R." 770 00:33:37,232 --> 00:33:40,732 So there was Roffredo, Riccardo, Rossano... 771 00:33:40,732 --> 00:33:42,432 and somebody else. 772 00:33:42,432 --> 00:33:44,392 - Wedding bells are ringing for one of New York´s 773 00:33:44,392 --> 00:33:45,692 most colorful personalities. 774 00:33:45,692 --> 00:33:47,762 Ivana Trump is getting remarried. 775 00:33:47,762 --> 00:33:49,762 Ivana´s new husband is going to be 51-year-old 776 00:33:49,762 --> 00:33:53,432 Riccardo Match-- Mazzucchelli. 777 00:33:53,432 --> 00:33:56,332 DENNIS: So she married this very attractive, 778 00:33:56,332 --> 00:34:00,562 age-appropriate, at the time, international businessman. 779 00:34:00,562 --> 00:34:02,692 We actually traveled with him several times, 780 00:34:02,692 --> 00:34:04,832 and he seemed...okay. 781 00:34:04,832 --> 00:34:07,662 You know, she´s not the easiest girl to be married to. 782 00:34:07,662 --> 00:34:10,662 She´s important. She´s in the limelight. 783 00:34:10,662 --> 00:34:13,492 And those were the days still where she couldn´t 784 00:34:13,492 --> 00:34:17,232 step out of the door without the paparazzi. 785 00:34:17,232 --> 00:34:20,532 And I just think that that didn´t work. 786 00:34:20,532 --> 00:34:22,392 Like marriages don´t work. 787 00:34:22,392 --> 00:34:26,332 - He was getting madder and madder and madder by the fact 788 00:34:26,332 --> 00:34:30,232 that nobody ever called her Mrs. Mazzucchelli, right? 789 00:34:30,232 --> 00:34:32,632 So I´ll never forget -- we went to Las Vegas 790 00:34:32,632 --> 00:34:35,232 ´cause Ivana was doing a book party. 791 00:34:35,232 --> 00:34:37,232 [ big-band music plays ] 792 00:34:37,232 --> 00:34:41,432 ♫♫ 793 00:34:41,432 --> 00:34:43,632 So Ivana all the tickets made out 794 00:34:43,632 --> 00:34:45,392 "Mr. and Mrs. Mazzucchelli." 795 00:34:45,392 --> 00:34:48,532 The room was in the name of Mr. and Mrs. Mazzucchelli. 796 00:34:48,532 --> 00:34:51,662 We go down to the show, and it´s Wayne Newton. 797 00:34:51,662 --> 00:34:53,432 And Wayne Newton comes out on the stage. 798 00:34:53,432 --> 00:34:56,862 He goes, "Ladies and gentlemen, I am so happy tonight. 799 00:34:56,862 --> 00:34:59,562 My dear friend Ivana Trump is here!" 800 00:34:59,562 --> 00:35:02,292 And Riccardo got up, walked out. 801 00:35:02,292 --> 00:35:03,632 But he was a great guy. 802 00:35:03,632 --> 00:35:06,392 He was, like, really one of my favorite husbands. 803 00:35:06,392 --> 00:35:09,932 ♫♫ 804 00:35:09,932 --> 00:35:11,632 WALTERS: Do you want to get married again? 805 00:35:11,632 --> 00:35:13,892 - Well, I´m going to be probably a little bit careful, 806 00:35:13,892 --> 00:35:17,632 but I´ve always been a family person. 807 00:35:17,632 --> 00:35:20,562 I always like to have a man with me next to me. 808 00:35:20,562 --> 00:35:23,892 And, uh, you know, I like the company of the man. 809 00:35:23,892 --> 00:35:27,162 And I don´t think I´m going to be too long. [ laughs ] 810 00:35:27,162 --> 00:35:29,192 ♫♫ 811 00:35:29,192 --> 00:35:30,832 NIKKI: She got remarried again, 812 00:35:30,832 --> 00:35:33,462 married Rossano Rubicondi. 813 00:35:33,462 --> 00:35:36,232 PAULA: It was tumultuous, but who cares? 814 00:35:36,232 --> 00:35:38,232 Listen. She was fabulous. 815 00:35:38,232 --> 00:35:41,662 - Rossano Rubicondi was much younger than Ivana. 816 00:35:41,662 --> 00:35:45,892 - She was, like, the original cougar and proud of it. 817 00:35:45,892 --> 00:35:49,332 Again, this is in the ´90s and early 2000s 818 00:35:49,332 --> 00:35:51,292 when most women didn´t do this, 819 00:35:51,292 --> 00:35:53,232 or if they did it, they kept it quiet. 820 00:35:53,232 --> 00:35:54,762 Nope. Not Ivana. 821 00:35:54,762 --> 00:35:57,732 ♫♫ 822 00:35:57,732 --> 00:36:00,832 - Donald´s sister officiated the wedding. 823 00:36:00,832 --> 00:36:03,492 So, she pulled me aside. 824 00:36:03,492 --> 00:36:05,332 She hands me this poem, 825 00:36:05,332 --> 00:36:06,762 and I look at the poem and it says, 826 00:36:06,762 --> 00:36:09,362 "Thou lovest till thou the end of time." 827 00:36:09,362 --> 00:36:10,832 So I said to her, "You know, 828 00:36:10,832 --> 00:36:12,732 I don´t think we really need this poem 829 00:36:12,732 --> 00:36:14,862 because I don´t think the wedding´s gonna last that long." 830 00:36:14,862 --> 00:36:18,362 [ chuckles ] "So let´s just tear this one up." 831 00:36:18,362 --> 00:36:20,632 You know, he died recently, 832 00:36:20,632 --> 00:36:23,462 and I think that that was a big setback for Ivana. 833 00:36:23,462 --> 00:36:25,692 They spent a lot of time together. 834 00:36:25,692 --> 00:36:28,792 - She remained friends with her last two ex-husbands. 835 00:36:28,792 --> 00:36:30,392 She even writes in her book, 836 00:36:30,392 --> 00:36:32,732 "Two of my best friends are my ex-husbands, 837 00:36:32,732 --> 00:36:35,662 Riccardo Mazzucchelli and Rossano Rubicondi." 838 00:36:37,892 --> 00:36:41,932 GWENDA: Up until they split, her life was very much about him. 839 00:36:41,932 --> 00:36:45,592 Afterwards... 840 00:36:45,592 --> 00:36:47,232 it was about herself. 841 00:36:47,232 --> 00:36:51,292 ♫♫ 842 00:36:53,862 --> 00:36:57,392 ♫♫ 843 00:36:57,392 --> 00:36:59,192 - This is my dining room. 844 00:36:59,192 --> 00:37:01,262 AMY: Walking into Ivana Trump´s apartment 845 00:37:01,262 --> 00:37:03,432 was like walking into 1985. 846 00:37:03,432 --> 00:37:05,492 Oh, that´s so pretty! 847 00:37:05,492 --> 00:37:07,792 It was walking onto the set of "Dynasty." 848 00:37:07,792 --> 00:37:10,432 She had tapestries going up the wall. 849 00:37:10,432 --> 00:37:13,332 And she owned it. It was all her. 850 00:37:13,332 --> 00:37:15,162 You could tell she designed 851 00:37:15,162 --> 00:37:18,192 and had something to say with everything in her apartment. 852 00:37:18,192 --> 00:37:20,362 That interview with Ivana Trump, 853 00:37:20,362 --> 00:37:23,862 at the very least, I can describe it as memorable. 854 00:37:23,862 --> 00:37:26,432 - Sprechen sie Deutsch? - No. Nein. 855 00:37:26,432 --> 00:37:27,862 - No? - No. [ laughs ] 856 00:37:27,862 --> 00:37:30,892 One of the most interesting, 857 00:37:30,892 --> 00:37:33,692 fascinating interviews I´ve ever done. 858 00:37:33,692 --> 00:37:37,362 She was direct. She was confident. 859 00:37:37,362 --> 00:37:40,232 You knew that she was somebody not to mess with. 860 00:37:40,232 --> 00:37:43,562 GWENDA: She had been part of the really early on 861 00:37:43,562 --> 00:37:45,892 creation and image building of Donald Trump 862 00:37:45,892 --> 00:37:48,732 that would ultimately lead to the presidency. 863 00:37:48,732 --> 00:37:51,762 - He never would have been on "The Apprentice" 864 00:37:51,762 --> 00:37:54,762 without the image that she created. 865 00:37:54,762 --> 00:37:57,332 - You´re fired. - And he never would 866 00:37:57,332 --> 00:37:59,732 have been president without "The Apprentice." 867 00:37:59,732 --> 00:38:02,632 - She created so much of that Trump brand. 868 00:38:02,632 --> 00:38:04,732 I don´t think she ever got the credit. 869 00:38:04,732 --> 00:38:08,262 - There were suggestions from the start, 870 00:38:08,262 --> 00:38:11,632 from, you know, starting in mid-´80s, 871 00:38:11,632 --> 00:38:13,532 of hints of presidency, 872 00:38:13,532 --> 00:38:16,362 but it wasn´t really a serious suggestion. 873 00:38:16,362 --> 00:38:19,732 - In New York, building after building bears his name. 874 00:38:19,732 --> 00:38:21,732 He gets more publicity these days 875 00:38:21,732 --> 00:38:23,632 than almost any movie star. 876 00:38:23,632 --> 00:38:26,362 And some people think he should be president. 877 00:38:26,362 --> 00:38:29,362 - None of us really thought that Donald was gonna be president. 878 00:38:29,362 --> 00:38:31,662 You know, um, I don´t think Donald thought 879 00:38:31,662 --> 00:38:32,932 he was gonna be president. 880 00:38:32,932 --> 00:38:34,662 JOHN ROBERTS: I, Donald John Trump, 881 00:38:34,662 --> 00:38:36,332 do solemnly swear... 882 00:38:36,332 --> 00:38:40,392 - I, Donald John Trump, do solemnly swear... 883 00:38:40,392 --> 00:38:42,192 NIKKI: I think she was very proud 884 00:38:42,192 --> 00:38:46,232 of him becoming President of the United States 885 00:38:46,232 --> 00:38:48,862 ´cause it was something he always wanted. 886 00:38:48,862 --> 00:38:51,732 I remember when they first got married, 887 00:38:51,732 --> 00:38:54,232 he made Ivana become an American citizen 888 00:38:54,232 --> 00:38:56,192 because he wanted to be president. 889 00:38:56,192 --> 00:38:57,892 GWENDA: Many years later, that´s what happened, 890 00:38:57,892 --> 00:39:00,492 but when he did finally get to the White House, 891 00:39:00,492 --> 00:39:05,292 I always felt like she was kind of in the shadows in some way. 892 00:39:05,292 --> 00:39:06,892 - How often do you two talk? 893 00:39:06,892 --> 00:39:08,762 - Talk about once in 14 days. 894 00:39:08,762 --> 00:39:10,392 - That´s pretty remarkable. 895 00:39:10,392 --> 00:39:13,832 - She also said something about, "Well, I think 896 00:39:13,832 --> 00:39:16,192 that Melania must be jealous of me," 897 00:39:16,192 --> 00:39:18,592 which drove Melania insane! 898 00:39:18,592 --> 00:39:20,792 - I had the direct number to the White House, 899 00:39:20,792 --> 00:39:22,732 but I not really want to call him there 900 00:39:22,732 --> 00:39:25,492 because Melania is there and I don´t want to cause 901 00:39:25,492 --> 00:39:27,562 any kind of jealousy or something like that 902 00:39:27,562 --> 00:39:30,662 because I´m basically first Trump wife, okay? 903 00:39:30,662 --> 00:39:34,232 [ laughs ] I´m first lady, okay? 904 00:39:34,232 --> 00:39:36,562 - I don´t think she ever made a slip of the tongue. 905 00:39:36,562 --> 00:39:39,762 She was much too savvy to go on national television 906 00:39:39,762 --> 00:39:42,262 and say, "I´m the first first lady. Oops!" 907 00:39:42,262 --> 00:39:44,392 - I´m pretty sure it was a little dig. 908 00:39:44,392 --> 00:39:45,832 NIKKI: It was definitely a dig. 909 00:39:45,832 --> 00:39:48,232 I was actually there when she said it. 910 00:39:48,232 --> 00:39:49,892 And, of course, it resonated around the world. 911 00:39:49,892 --> 00:39:52,632 Everybody picked up on that in one second, 912 00:39:52,632 --> 00:39:54,762 and that became sort of the mantra of the story. 913 00:39:54,762 --> 00:39:56,462 WOMAN: In response to these comments, 914 00:39:56,462 --> 00:39:59,462 a spokesperson for Melania Trump told ABC News today... 915 00:40:06,862 --> 00:40:09,292 - I don´t think she ever said anything 916 00:40:09,292 --> 00:40:12,532 that was not calculated for a response. 917 00:40:12,532 --> 00:40:15,432 AMY: And she realized that Donald Trump´s presidency 918 00:40:15,432 --> 00:40:17,262 created a lot of adversaries, 919 00:40:17,262 --> 00:40:21,562 but she maintained a certain royal status here in New York. 920 00:40:21,562 --> 00:40:22,932 MAN: Ivana! 921 00:40:22,932 --> 00:40:24,862 [ indistinct shouting ] 922 00:40:24,862 --> 00:40:29,792 ♫♫ 923 00:40:29,792 --> 00:40:32,192 GWENDA: She was a New Yorker, and she stayed in New York 924 00:40:32,192 --> 00:40:34,862 and never seemed to have any interest in leaving. 925 00:40:34,862 --> 00:40:37,232 Her neighbors saw her walking her dog. 926 00:40:37,232 --> 00:40:38,592 They -- She was friendly. 927 00:40:38,592 --> 00:40:41,562 She was respected and liked in her community. 928 00:40:41,562 --> 00:40:43,492 MAN: How you been, Ivana? - Fantastic. 929 00:40:43,492 --> 00:40:44,932 MAN: You look beautiful. 930 00:40:44,932 --> 00:40:46,562 ATILLA CETIN: That even a walk on the street, 931 00:40:46,562 --> 00:40:48,662 and then people recognize right away. 932 00:40:48,662 --> 00:40:50,532 "Did you see? This is Ivana Trump." 933 00:40:50,532 --> 00:40:52,632 And then, "You think we should talk to her?" 934 00:40:52,632 --> 00:40:54,792 And then she said, "Yes, come, come. 935 00:40:54,792 --> 00:40:57,362 Ask me. What do you need to know?" 936 00:40:57,362 --> 00:41:01,832 ♫♫ 937 00:41:01,832 --> 00:41:04,532 She was a first lady. 938 00:41:04,532 --> 00:41:07,832 She´s our first lady. 939 00:41:07,832 --> 00:41:11,332 GEORGE: She epitomized the ideal of the lady who lunches. 940 00:41:11,332 --> 00:41:14,662 But that wasn´t her be-all and end-all. 941 00:41:14,662 --> 00:41:16,892 ATILLA: She always come, she always sit there 942 00:41:16,892 --> 00:41:20,492 because she sees everyone. 943 00:41:20,492 --> 00:41:23,292 She sees everything. 944 00:41:23,292 --> 00:41:26,692 GWENDA: She seemed to live life to its fullest 945 00:41:26,692 --> 00:41:29,392 and never shrank in any way. 946 00:41:29,392 --> 00:41:33,292 The hair never shrank. The shoulder pads never shrank. 947 00:41:33,292 --> 00:41:36,192 The very over-the-top clothing never shrank. 948 00:41:36,192 --> 00:41:37,832 The makeup. None of it. 949 00:41:37,832 --> 00:41:40,762 GEORGE: They don´t make them like Ivana anymore, you know? 950 00:41:40,762 --> 00:41:43,592 She could be uptown in the penthouse, 951 00:41:43,592 --> 00:41:47,592 and she could be downtown on the pavement 952 00:41:47,592 --> 00:41:50,162 with the kids hanging out and being just herself 953 00:41:50,162 --> 00:41:53,732 and be the most unpretentious, the most amazing soul, 954 00:41:53,732 --> 00:41:56,162 the bright light in any room. 955 00:41:56,162 --> 00:41:58,892 ♫♫ 956 00:41:58,892 --> 00:42:02,562 NIKKI: I had been in New York for about two or three months 957 00:42:02,562 --> 00:42:04,662 and had seen quite a bit of Ivana. 958 00:42:04,662 --> 00:42:06,362 Hadn´t seen her in a few weeks, 959 00:42:06,362 --> 00:42:08,192 and I was thrilled at the fact 960 00:42:08,192 --> 00:42:10,662 that she was going to Saint-Tropez. 961 00:42:10,662 --> 00:42:13,932 You know, Ivana was completely locked down 962 00:42:13,932 --> 00:42:15,432 when -- when this virus hit. 963 00:42:15,432 --> 00:42:18,492 She -- She just fell apart, basically. 964 00:42:18,492 --> 00:42:20,392 She didn´t want to leave the house. 965 00:42:20,392 --> 00:42:23,692 She didn´t want to go anywhere. She didn´t want to travel. 966 00:42:23,692 --> 00:42:26,692 So it was -- I was sort of thrilled at the fact 967 00:42:26,692 --> 00:42:30,692 that she was actually gonna make her first trip. 968 00:42:30,692 --> 00:42:33,262 And I was sitting in the apartment. 969 00:42:33,262 --> 00:42:36,192 And I got a call from my friend. 970 00:42:36,192 --> 00:42:38,292 And she said, "Ivana´s dead." 971 00:42:41,332 --> 00:42:43,192 NIKKI: I was always afraid that Ivana 972 00:42:43,192 --> 00:42:45,432 was gonna fall down these stairs in this house. 973 00:42:45,432 --> 00:42:46,792 I had been saying to her, 974 00:42:46,792 --> 00:42:50,332 "Please, please, please be careful." 975 00:42:50,332 --> 00:42:53,232 And, you know, Ivana didn´t want to have anybody in the house. 976 00:42:53,232 --> 00:42:55,262 She didn´t want any security. 977 00:42:55,262 --> 00:42:56,492 She wanted to be -- 978 00:42:56,492 --> 00:42:58,692 do her own thing, be with her dog. 979 00:42:58,692 --> 00:43:01,692 - I got a phone call from The New York Times, actually. 980 00:43:01,692 --> 00:43:04,462 One of the editors knows me. 981 00:43:04,462 --> 00:43:07,892 And said, "Did you hear the rumor that Ivana passed away?" 982 00:43:07,892 --> 00:43:10,632 I said, "Now, that´s -- that´s preposterous." 983 00:43:12,732 --> 00:43:15,362 After I called all the numbers, 984 00:43:15,362 --> 00:43:17,932 the assistant, the house number, Ivana´s number, 985 00:43:17,932 --> 00:43:22,532 and didn´t receive a response, I then quickly called Eric, 986 00:43:22,532 --> 00:43:25,362 and Eric sent me a text back saying, 987 00:43:25,362 --> 00:43:27,392 "Can I call you in a little while?" 988 00:43:27,392 --> 00:43:30,692 I said, "Okay," but I wrote back texting him 989 00:43:30,692 --> 00:43:34,232 saying, "Is Mom okay?" 990 00:43:34,232 --> 00:43:39,362 ♫♫ 991 00:43:39,362 --> 00:43:40,892 GEORGE: I was on my way home from Soho, 992 00:43:40,892 --> 00:43:43,232 and the news pinged on the phone. 993 00:43:43,232 --> 00:43:45,932 Was just in total shock. 994 00:43:45,932 --> 00:43:49,362 - I heard this, I said, "How -- How did Ivana die?" 995 00:43:49,362 --> 00:43:51,592 They said, "She fell down the stairs." 996 00:43:51,592 --> 00:43:53,362 - When I found out Ivana died, 997 00:43:53,362 --> 00:43:55,762 I, uh -- I just got a little sad. 998 00:43:55,762 --> 00:43:57,832 It´s kind of like when a legend goes 999 00:43:57,832 --> 00:44:00,492 and you´re like, "Well, pour one out. 1000 00:44:00,492 --> 00:44:02,632 Tip that bottle of Veuve Clicquot. Boom. 1001 00:44:02,632 --> 00:44:04,462 There goes another good one." 1002 00:44:05,862 --> 00:44:08,492 DAVID MUIR: Here in New York, a final farewell to Ivana Trump. 1003 00:44:08,492 --> 00:44:10,792 MICHAEL STRAHAN: At a historic Catholic church here in Manhattan. 1004 00:44:10,792 --> 00:44:13,162 WOMAN: Ivana Trump´s three children are expected 1005 00:44:13,162 --> 00:44:15,292 to speak at that service. 1006 00:44:15,292 --> 00:44:17,932 - You know, it´s -- it´s interesting. 1007 00:44:17,932 --> 00:44:20,262 Because you never think about anybody´s legacy 1008 00:44:20,262 --> 00:44:23,232 until they´re gone. 1009 00:44:23,232 --> 00:44:24,762 IVANA: I was born in Czechoslovakia, 1010 00:44:24,762 --> 00:44:26,392 started from nothing. 1011 00:44:26,392 --> 00:44:28,592 I went to West, started from nothing. 1012 00:44:28,592 --> 00:44:33,232 I had to work for everything I have gotten. 1013 00:44:33,232 --> 00:44:34,732 GEORGE: I think Ivana Trump´s legacy 1014 00:44:34,732 --> 00:44:38,562 will be a true New York story, one of a kind. 1015 00:44:38,562 --> 00:44:40,292 NIKKI: She was the first lady. 1016 00:44:40,292 --> 00:44:43,762 She was glamorous, beautiful, smart, fun, delicious. 1017 00:44:43,762 --> 00:44:45,392 There wasn´t anybody like Ivana. 1018 00:44:45,392 --> 00:44:47,392 There´s never been anybody like Ivana. 1019 00:44:47,392 --> 00:44:48,832 - I don´t dwell on the past 1020 00:44:48,832 --> 00:44:51,192 because that´s over and done for all of us. 1021 00:44:51,192 --> 00:44:57,162 - People will remember her for being the former wife... 1022 00:44:57,162 --> 00:45:00,692 of the past President of the United States... 1023 00:45:00,692 --> 00:45:06,232 and the true glamour queen of the ´80s and ´90s. 1024 00:45:08,332 --> 00:45:13,232 But, really, how I know she wants to be remembered -- 1025 00:45:13,232 --> 00:45:15,762 as a devoted mother. 1026 00:45:15,762 --> 00:45:17,432 IVANA: Discipline and confidence. 1027 00:45:17,432 --> 00:45:20,662 I set myself certain goals, certain commitments. 1028 00:45:20,662 --> 00:45:22,832 You know, courage. 1029 00:45:22,832 --> 00:45:25,192 The guts, plain, simple guts, 1030 00:45:25,192 --> 00:45:26,592 you know, to go down that mountain, 1031 00:45:26,592 --> 00:45:28,332 or -- or go and come out of 1032 00:45:28,332 --> 00:45:30,432 the communistic country with nothing. 1033 00:45:30,432 --> 00:45:34,832 - Her love, her irreverent attitude towards things, 1034 00:45:34,832 --> 00:45:36,892 and the fact that she was always overdressed 1035 00:45:36,892 --> 00:45:40,162 and looking gorgeous really made it work. 1036 00:45:42,162 --> 00:45:44,462 DENNIS: You know, honey, where the hell did you go?! 1037 00:45:44,462 --> 00:45:48,892 It´s, like, a little bit annoying. You left us too early. 1038 00:45:48,892 --> 00:45:50,762 IVANA: I´m not competing with the man. 1039 00:45:50,762 --> 00:45:53,562 No, I´m competing with myself. But you have to try your best. 1040 00:45:53,562 --> 00:45:57,592 That´s all what you can do at any given moment. 1041 00:45:57,592 --> 00:46:03,462 ♫♫ 1042 00:46:03,462 --> 00:46:09,362 ♫♫ 1043 00:46:09,362 --> 00:46:15,232 ♫♫ 1044 00:46:15,232 --> 00:46:20,932 ♫♫ 1045 00:46:20,932 --> 00:46:26,792 ♫♫ 1046 00:46:26,792 --> 00:46:32,692 ♫♫ 1047 00:46:32,692 --> 00:46:38,562 ♫♫