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- [Gene Cernan] I put the binocu

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and I can see it spinning around

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and I wouldn't bet my
life on it being the S4B,

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but it sure has gotta
be something like it.

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- [Reporter] That was Gene
Cernan reporting that sighting.

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Orbit

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- We were that first crew
that was going to get a chance

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to fly this vehicle and test thi

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that was going to take
human beings to the Moon.

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- [Narrator] Mankind makes one g

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and lands the first man on the M

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a historic achievement for the h

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But that giant leap took
many lunges, trips and falls

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in order for our astronauts to
actually achieve this moment.

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And along the way, many space
researchers have speculated

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that our astronauts may have see

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and anomalous structures
on the surface of the Moon.

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- You know, we have a,

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it's a very interesting
little document from 1950,

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there was a Canadian government

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named Wilbert Smith,

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and he was very interested
in these flying saucers.

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Wilbert Smith was a real smart g

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He was an engineer, he was a sci

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and he had a kind of a
mid-upper level position

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in the Canadian bureaucracy

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and he was able to go
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in September, 1950 to the
Canadian Embassy there.

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And while he was hanging
around DC he goes and talks

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to some American scientists
and one in particular.

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And this was a scientist who
was very well plugged in,

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and this man, man whose
name was Robert Sarbacher,

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we learned many years later.

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It was very, very powerful.

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Sarbacher says, yes,
flying sauces do exist.

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I can confirm that for you.

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Their modus operandi is unknown,

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but the United States government

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this the most classified subject

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of all two levels higher
than the hydrogen bomb,

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which in 1950 was about
as big as you could get,

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but flying saucers were higher t

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So Smith types up this
memo for his supervisors

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in the Canadian government,
and, uh, that's that.

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But actually, that wasn't that,

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because years after he died,

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his private papers were analyzed

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and the exact name of that
scientist was written there.

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And that scientist, Robert
Sarbacher was still alive

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and researchers found him.

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Sarbacher confirmed the
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He said, "Yeah, that actually
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So anyway, my point simply is,

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you've got very clear knowledge
among the highest

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circles in Washington back
in 1950, for example.

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And in the military
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absolutely UFOs were the most
sensitive subject out there.

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Now, ask yourself,
why would that be.

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You know, why would that be the
most sensitive subject

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if it was all nonsense and
hallucinations

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and hoaxes and things like this?
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Well, obviously it's a lot
more than that.

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And when you go through
the declassified literature

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such that we have, there's
still a lot we don't have,

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but we have enough to
show very, very clearly

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you had countless violations
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by objects that did not
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that were doing things that
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over places that you were
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Alright, whether that means
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where the scientists
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or the Hanford Nuclear Plant
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which was a major plutonium
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a lot of toxic waste
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Or over the Oak Ridge, uh,
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where again, a great
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on the atomic bomb
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All of these very
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you don't just go
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but UFOs were hanging
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and, you know, jets would
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In one case, we know of

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anti-aircraft battalions
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You know, [laughs]

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Can you imagine if the public
knew about this at the time?

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They didn't, they didn't
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until years and years later

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after these documents were
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By then, they were just sunk

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into the black hole of
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and, you know, no one really
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But back in 1950, if these
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I think people would've cared
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Uh, they were very important.

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My point here simply is this,

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the subject of UFOs has
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to be of the highest level
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that we know of.

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And so now, if you've got NASA

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engaged in any capacity with
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on any type of classified
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there is no way ever

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that they're just gonna
tell the world,

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oh look, there are all
these UFOs, people.

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How cool is that?

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Now, that will never happen.

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That will never happen
until the laws change

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and those laws haven't changed.

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This subject still
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even well into the 21st century.

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It is...

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You know, we can talk a little
bit more about it now

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than say a few years ago.

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That's interesting and
that's true,

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but there's... you know,
there's still a red line

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and thou shall not go over
that red line.

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- It was one of these
clear, clear days

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and that's why I was up,

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because you could
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and it was an ideal day
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And it appeared silver
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There's always metallic.

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And it was moving at
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I would say 150 miles
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And appeared to be maybe
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- [Speaker] We decided to
analyze the Catalina film.

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- And there seems to
be some holes

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or some kind of transparency
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One takes a good look at this

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and considering that
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as reported by Lee
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is that this is moving at
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This begins to look like a
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and one can draw the comparison

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that you have the
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the windows and the flyer,
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and that's it.

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The Catalina film, I'm afraid,

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falls into the category of an
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- [Narrator] The Lunar Orbiter
missions

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were initiated in early 1964

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and consisted of five
identical unmanned spacecraft

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to investigate the surface
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The main purpose of the
program was to locate

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smooth level areas on the
Moon's near side

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to confirm the areas as suitable
for manned landing sites

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for the Apollo program.

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Other program objectives
were to collect data

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on the Moon's gravitational
field

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to provide precision
trajectory information

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and study radiation
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in the vicinity of the Moon.

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The Orbiter took pictures
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more than 90% of the
pictures taken

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were transmitted successfully,

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including the historic
Earth rise,

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taken from the Moon on
August 23rd, 1966.

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The Orbiter also obtained
environmental data

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during all periods of visibility

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Some photographs were
not transmitted.

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However, when the
transmitting equipment failed

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during the readout operation,

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only a small number of
pictures were lost

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and other data collection
was not affected.

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Lunar Orbiter 2 made
significant additions

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to the techniques and data
required to land on the Moon.

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Mission 3 differed from
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in that it was a
site-confirmation mission

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rather than a
site-selection mission.

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Despite some operational
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Orbiter 4 was highly successful

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in fulfilling its purpose.

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The photographs obtained,
provided information and detail

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at least 10 times better than
Earth-based observations.

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The photography captured
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was an incredible improvement
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This allowed NASA to
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into sites of interest on
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The far side photography
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of essentially all areas not cov

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during the preceding
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In the early two thousands,
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specializing in
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made a shocking statement to
the public about his experience

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while working for the
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- I said, who's, what do you
mean who's.

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He said, yes, there's,
we've discovered

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a base on the backside
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And at that point I
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- [Narrator] Another now famous
unidentified lunar object

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was spotted by the Lunar
Orbiter 3 in February of 1967,

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a total of 149 medium resolution

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and 477 high resolution frames

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were returned from this mission.

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And in one composite image,

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an object known as The Shard
can be seen.

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This object was supposedly
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and the Sinus midi mare
plain area of the Moon.

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NASA has never acknowledged
this phenomenon.

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- And then he pulled out
one of these mosaics

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and showed this base which
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There were towers, there
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There were very tall towers
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that looked somewhat
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but they were large structures.

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So it was rare that someone
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but this fellow and I were
the same rank.

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I think he was very distressed.

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He had the same power
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as the scientists outside
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They were just as concerned
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and he needed to discuss
it with somebody.

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So, that was the end of
it right there.

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I didn't take it any further
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I just filed it away.

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But the interesting thing,
every day that I went home,

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I would think to myself,

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I can't wait to hear
about this on the news.

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So I'd turn on the TV
and I'd look at the news

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to see if they're gonna
announce we've discovered a base

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on the back side of the
Moon being really naive.

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And of course, here it
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and we still haven't
heard about it.

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- Researcher and filmmaker,
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started his journey into UFOs

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through Apollo astronaut
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- Basically, out of this
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when did you become
interested in the idea

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that NASA astronauts
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and that possibly had been
covered up?

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- I never did, until I
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actively looking for UFOs
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I watched an interview
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with Apollo 14 astronaut
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sixth man to walk the Moon.

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And he talked about UFOs
very openly, and I thought,

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here's a man who's got
everything to lose

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and nothing to gain by
what he's doing.

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- [Reporter] It's the sort of
disclosure UFO investigators

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are demanding from the
US government.

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How would people react?

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- That would be kind of
good it's about time.

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- [Reporter] Former
astronaut, Edgar Mitchell,

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is the sixth man to walk
on the Moon

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and a firm believer that aliens

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have visited our planet
repeatedly.

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So I had to ask,

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why are they coming in
these little glancing visits

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and we haven't had a
more meaningful dialogue

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or contact or attempt to
communicate with these people?

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- Well, I think we have.

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- [Reporter] Really?

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- I think we have, but it
is not common knowledge.

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- [Reporter] Mitchell told
me after

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he returned from the Moon,

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he was briefed at the Pentagon
by a high ranking officer,

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whose name he would not reveal,

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who said the US government
does have evidence

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of alien spacecraft and
is keeping it a secret.

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- Well, I think the real reason

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it is still a secret is power
and control,

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controlling whatever
technology exists.

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- [Reporter] All of this
is fascinating stuff,

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if it is true.

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- I mean, I've talked
to government insiders

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and intelligence folks

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and they kinda laugh at it,

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but obviously, they have
secret craft

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that we don't know about,
that's obvious.

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But whether they have
successfully reversed engineered

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what they've recovered
in Roswell,

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that's something that I have
not seen the evidence for.

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I'm not saying definitively
that it didn't happen,

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that they weren't successfully
reverse engineered.

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I have seen zero evidence of it.

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That's just me and
people can disagree

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all they want and that's fine.

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[eerie music]

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[eerie music continues]

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[eerie music continues]

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[eerie music continues]

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[eerie music continues]

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[dramatic music]

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[dramatic music continues]

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- [Narrator] The Apollo missions
began in an irregular way

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compared to the previous
man capsule missions.

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This turned out disastrous

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for the first Apollo 1
test pilots.

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Apollo 2 and 3, which
were unmanned,

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were called AS-202 and
AS-203 respectively,

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in which the newly designed
Apollo capsule

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was married to the Saturn
1B rocket vehicle system.

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July 5th, 1966,
an unmanned flight

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of the Saturn 1B rocket,

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it carried no command
and service module

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as its purpose was to
verify the design

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of the S4B rocket stage
restart capability.

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This would later be used
in the Apollo program

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to boost astronauts from
Earth orbit

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on a trajectory to the Moon.

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It achieved its goals,

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but the stage was inadvertently
destroyed after four orbits.

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Launched unmanned on
August 25th, 1966

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by a Saturn 1B vector
and suborbital flight,

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this flight was used to
perform tests

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on the command and
service module,

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which was later
recovered destined

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to perform a man landing
on the Moon.

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On January 27th, 1967
at Launchpad 34

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at the Kennedy Space Center,

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astronauts Grissom, White
and Chaffee

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were sealed inside of their
spacecraft for a plugs out test.

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The spacecraft was
pressurized with pure oxygen.

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Numerous communication problems

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were encountered during the test

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[radio static crackling]

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[radio static crackling]

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- [Narrator] Suddenly
a spark occurred

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in the wiring of the
spacecraft

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somewhere below Grissom's feet.

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In the pure oxygen atmosphere,
the fire

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flashed through the spacecraft
consuming anything flammable.

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The crews struggled to open the
hatch of the command module.

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It was a complex task that
required too much time.

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Before they could open
the hatch,

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the fumes given off from
the fire asphyxiated them.

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[ominous music]

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[radio static crackling]

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- [Gus Grissom] Fire!

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[radio static crackling]

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[radio static crackling]

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- One thing to take note of
about the Apollo 1 mission

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is that many of the
astronauts were very nervous

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about this Apollo spacecraft
and its rapid buildup.

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Concurrently with the Gemini
mission still being finished.

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Many of the astronauts
were being

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swapped over to the
Apollo mission

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and this rapid buildup
looked like

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it was going to cause
malfunctions

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and errors to that spacecraft.

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Walter Schirra, he actually
commented to Gus Grissom,

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one of the pilots of
the early Gemini project

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that had been swapped
over to Apollo 1,

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that something didn't ring right

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about the Apollo 1 spacecraft

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and that if he saw
any signs of trouble

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that he should get out quickly.

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- [Narrator] After this
disastrous fire

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during the Apollo 1 test,

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NASA decided to run many
successive test flights

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that were unmanned.

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Mike Bara famously
co-authored the book

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"Dark Mission: The Secret
History of NASA"

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in which he speculates
with photo evidence

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that NASA has been covering
up anomalies on the Moon.

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- The other possibility is that

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we have had far more
advanced technology

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than we will acknowledge
for the last 60, 70 years.

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And it's some of our
guys having a little fun

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with the spam in a can.

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Dudes that are stuck
in the Apollo program.

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That's what Gus Grissom
once referred to Apollo as

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is we're spam in a can,
he was overheard to say,

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and they've been to the
Moon already,

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they've been to Mars already.

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They got technology we
can't even dream of here

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and they're sticking us up here
in these rickety old rockets

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and risking our lives.

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And of course, he ended
up losing his life

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and a lot of people have a
lot of suspicions about that,

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that he was such a vocal
advocate for the fact

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that they had better
technology than they were using

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to go to the Moon

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and it really made him angry

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and could have made
him a target.

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- [Narrator] November
9th, 1967 was the day

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in which the Saturn 5 launch
vehicle was first tested.

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This was the rocket that would
send astronauts to the Moon.

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[ominous music]

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On April 4th, 1968, this
unmanned flight

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tested the Saturn 5's ability
to perform

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a trans lunar injection
using 80% of the payload,

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which the later manned
mission would perform again.

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Unfortunately, the phenomenon
known as the Pogo Effect

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damaged the two Rocketdyne
engines on the second stage

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when the internal fuel
lines ruptured.

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The Rocketdyne J2 engine
on the S4B third stage

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also failed to restart
trans lunar injection.

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So the correct trans lunar
velocity could not be achieved.

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Nevertheless, NASA considered
the Saturn 5

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ready to receive its first crew.

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October 11th, 1968, Apollo 7

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was the first manned space
flight of the Apollo program.

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Donn Eisele,
Commander Walter M. Schirra

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and Walter Cunningham's crew
spend almost 11 days in space

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testing a command module
spacecraft

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designed to orbit the Earth

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and safely bring humans to
the Moon and back again.

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The mission objective was to
demonstrate crew performance

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with the command service module.

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- [Reporter] Apollo 7
was also a go

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for an exhaustive series
of tests

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of its worthiness in space.

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One of the first things
which had to be learned

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was whether the astronauts
could control the spacecraft

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combined with the
S4B Saturn stage.

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A very similar thing would
have to be done

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during the early phases
of a lunar mission.

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The answer was not
long in coming.

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- [Astronaut] S4B test complete.

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- [Astronaut] Beautiful.

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- [Astronaut] It was outstanding

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- [Astronaut] Real, fine and ups

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- [Reporter] Next,
the spacecraft

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and S4B stage were separated.

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The question now was
whether the astronauts

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could turn their
spacecraft around

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and control it to the
degree required

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for future physical linkups
with equipment in space.

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For this too would have to
be done in the lunar flight.

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And again, the answer was yes.

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- [Astronaut] A little
flight is like Germany.

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- [Reporter] Something
that will not be seen

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in the lunar flight or
in any other

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forthcoming Apollo mission

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were the panels at the
top of the S4B stage.

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They will simply be
jettisoned in the future.

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But they drew comment
in Apollo 7.

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- [Astronaut] And the slot panel

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at the top left and bottom
opened.

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And I would about a
45 degree angle

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and the slot panel on the right,

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just opened though maybe 30
degrees at the very best.

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- [Control] All right, Roger.

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looks like you're looking at
a four jawed angry alligator.

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- [Narrator] During this
mission, multiple tests

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for the Saturn rocket system

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and the astronaut crew
interactions were successful.

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This was the first mission
to use the Apollo flight suit

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and to successfully complete

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a live video transmission
from space.

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- [Reporter] Always before
we've had

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to be content with merely
listening

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to our astronauts during
their flights.

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In Apollo 7, through the
medium of television,

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we could actually see them
in space for the first time

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and become better acquainted

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with weightless life aboard
a spacecraft.

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- [Astronaut] You're picking up,

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I can read now just a minute.

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It says...

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[ominous music]

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[ominous music continues]

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[ominous music continues]

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[ominous music continues]

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[ominous music continues]

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[ominous music continues]

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[dramatic music]

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- [Narrator]
December 21st, 1968,

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Apollo 8 was the second crude
mission of the Apollo program

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and the first mission to bring
humans to the Moon's orbit.

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They were the first humans
to leave low Earth orbit.

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The first to see the
entire Earth,

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the first to see the
dark side of the Moon

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and the first to see the sunrise
of the Earth from the Moon.

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- [Controller] T Minus
15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9.

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So we have ignition
sequence five,

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the engines are on
4, 3, 2, 1, 0.

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[dramatic music]

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I have commit, we have liftoff.

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Lift off at 7:51 am
Eastern Standard Time.

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- [Narrator] Apollo 8 took
three days to reach the Moon.

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It orbited 10 times
over 20 hours.

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[upbeat music]

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- [Astronaut] This
transmission is coming to you

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approximately halfway between
the Moon and the Earth.

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We've been 31 hours, about
20 minutes into the flight.

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We have about less than 40
hours left to go to the Moon.

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- [Narrator] So Apollo
8 glided on silently

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farther from Earth than
man had ever before been.

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A microscopic dot of
life in the cosmic void.

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- [Astronaut] Face of
the waters.

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And God said,
let there be light.

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- [Narrator] The crew also made

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a televised Christmas Eve
broadcast

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in which they read
the first 10 verses

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of the book of Genesis.

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This broadcast was the most
watched in history at the time.

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- [Astronaut] So the
evening and the morning

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was the first day and God said.

501
00:28:43.652 --> 00:28:45.689
[indistinct]

502
00:28:45.724 --> 00:28:47.622
- [Narrator] The choice
to spend Christmas Eve

503
00:28:47.656 --> 00:28:50.832
in lunar orbit was made
because that was the time

504
00:28:50.867 --> 00:28:53.317
of optimal lighting
conditions for surveying

505
00:28:53.352 --> 00:28:55.078
the Apollo landing site 1.

506
00:28:56.044 --> 00:28:58.150
During the mission, astronauts

507
00:28:58.184 --> 00:29:00.359
took photos of the Earth
from the Moon,

508
00:29:00.393 --> 00:29:03.396
including the second
Earth rise picture,

509
00:29:03.431 --> 00:29:05.605
which was higher quality
than the Earth rise

510
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:07.815
taken previously by
the Lunar Orbiter.

511
00:29:12.612 --> 00:29:14.304
- [Controller] Apollo 8,
Houston,

512
00:29:14.338 --> 00:29:17.100
what does the old Moon look
like from 60 miles over?

513
00:29:18.135 --> 00:29:23.175
- [Astronaut] Okay, Houston,
the Moon is essentially gray.

514
00:29:23.209 --> 00:29:25.798
No color, looks like plaster of

515
00:29:27.006 --> 00:29:30.078
Or sort of a grayish beach sand,

516
00:29:30.113 --> 00:29:32.011
because he planted
a bit of detail.

517
00:29:33.116 --> 00:29:35.290
The craters are all
round and off.

518
00:29:35.325 --> 00:29:36.567
There's quite a few of them,

519
00:29:36.602 --> 00:29:38.328
some are newer.

520
00:29:38.362 --> 00:29:40.399
Many of 'em look like,
especially the round ones,

521
00:29:40.433 --> 00:29:44.403
look like hit by meteorites
or projectiles of some sort.

522
00:29:48.683 --> 00:29:50.133
- [Controller] A level
we have a picture.

523
00:29:50.167 --> 00:29:52.998
We see the Earth right in the
center of the screen over.

524
00:29:53.032 --> 00:29:55.379
- [Narrator] During
these TV transmissions,

525
00:29:55.414 --> 00:29:58.486
the astronauts also
provided a verbal commentary

526
00:29:58.520 --> 00:30:01.627
to accompany the footage
being broadcast.

527
00:30:01.661 --> 00:30:05.286
Contrary to popular
belief, these broadcasts

528
00:30:05.320 --> 00:30:09.600
were not extemporaneous or
improvised performances.

529
00:30:09.635 --> 00:30:12.914
Rather, both the footage
and dialogue

530
00:30:12.949 --> 00:30:15.814
were entirely scripted
out prior to the flight.

531
00:30:24.374 --> 00:30:27.135
The Apollo cover story
was specifically designed

532
00:30:27.170 --> 00:30:31.277
to allow those missions to be
conducted in the public eye,

533
00:30:31.312 --> 00:30:35.212
while at the same time
actively concealing the fact

534
00:30:35.247 --> 00:30:38.284
that evidence of intelligent
extraterrestrial life

535
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.149
might have been discovered
in space and on the Moon.

536
00:30:42.323 --> 00:30:46.189
The scripting protocols followed
during the Apollo program

537
00:30:46.223 --> 00:30:48.570
were for the most part
highly effective

538
00:30:48.605 --> 00:30:50.952
at ensuring the astronauts
did not divulge

539
00:30:50.987 --> 00:30:54.231
any sensitive information
while they communicated

540
00:30:54.266 --> 00:30:57.372
over the public radio
channel with Houston.

541
00:30:57.407 --> 00:30:59.892
However, when the astronauts
were not

542
00:30:59.927 --> 00:31:02.791
in radio contact with
Mission Control,

543
00:31:02.826 --> 00:31:05.587
they did on occasion make
some unscripted

544
00:31:05.622 --> 00:31:08.418
and rather candid comments
to each other

545
00:31:08.452 --> 00:31:11.731
about what they were observing
outside their spacecraft.

546
00:31:13.354 --> 00:31:15.701
These comments were
captured by a device

547
00:31:15.735 --> 00:31:19.532
mounted inside the Apollo
command and service module

548
00:31:19.567 --> 00:31:21.741
that was known as the
data storage

549
00:31:21.776 --> 00:31:24.986
equipment recorder or DSE.

550
00:31:25.021 --> 00:31:28.921
The Apollo DSE was essentially
a black box cockpit

551
00:31:28.956 --> 00:31:31.855
voice and telemetry
recording system.

552
00:31:31.890 --> 00:31:36.101
In addition to recording a
variety of spacecraft parameters

553
00:31:36.135 --> 00:31:39.518
the DSE's 14 track tape
also recorded

554
00:31:39.552 --> 00:31:43.004
many internal crew
conversations that took place

555
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:44.316
when the astronauts were not

556
00:31:44.350 --> 00:31:46.663
communicating with
Mission Control.

557
00:31:48.044 --> 00:31:50.218
Although it is presumed
that the recordings

558
00:31:50.253 --> 00:31:52.220
were destroyed or lost,

559
00:31:52.255 --> 00:31:54.533
the transcriptions were
made at NASA

560
00:31:55.741 --> 00:31:59.331
by the woman shown in
this image and others.

561
00:31:59.365 --> 00:32:02.023
And although they were
originally classified,

562
00:32:02.058 --> 00:32:05.924
those transcripts can be found
today in the NASA archives.

563
00:32:07.408 --> 00:32:10.514
Many of the comments captured
by the DSE

564
00:32:10.549 --> 00:32:12.758
were made when the spacecraft
was behind

565
00:32:12.792 --> 00:32:14.415
the far side of the Moon

566
00:32:14.449 --> 00:32:16.900
with the astronauts
describing various sites

567
00:32:16.935 --> 00:32:18.488
not visible from Earth.

568
00:32:20.145 --> 00:32:22.664
[eerie music]

569
00:32:28.739 --> 00:32:32.019
[eerie music continues]

570
00:32:37.714 --> 00:32:41.028
[eerie music continues]

571
00:32:47.137 --> 00:32:50.485
[eerie music continues]

572
00:32:56.215 --> 00:32:59.563
[eerie music continues]

573
00:33:05.569 --> 00:33:08.917
[eerie music continues]

574
00:33:14.993 --> 00:33:18.306
[eerie music continues]

575
00:33:19.307 --> 00:33:22.034
[dramatic music]

576
00:33:27.522 --> 00:33:31.112
[dramatic music continues]

577
00:33:36.600 --> 00:33:40.190
[dramatic music continues]

578
00:33:42.227 --> 00:33:44.919
[ominous music]

579
00:33:50.269 --> 00:33:53.790
[ominous music continues]

580
00:34:00.555 --> 00:34:01.763
- What's very interesting about

581
00:34:01.798 --> 00:34:05.802
the Apollo 8 manned
mission to the Moon is that

582
00:34:05.836 --> 00:34:08.667
we would hear about all
of these things

583
00:34:08.701 --> 00:34:13.258
that astronauts and UFO
researchers would repeat

584
00:34:13.292 --> 00:34:16.744
being demonstrated in the
communications,

585
00:34:16.778 --> 00:34:18.573
photos and footage

586
00:34:18.608 --> 00:34:21.852
throughout many other
Apollo manned missions.

587
00:34:21.887 --> 00:34:26.236
That is structures on
the far side of the Moon,

588
00:34:26.271 --> 00:34:29.412
UFOs, an anomalous activity
in space,

589
00:34:29.446 --> 00:34:33.623
as well as this eerie
music or strange sounds

590
00:34:33.657 --> 00:34:36.522
that the astronauts only heard

591
00:34:36.557 --> 00:34:38.697
when they were on the
far side of the Moon.

592
00:34:39.939 --> 00:34:41.113
And what's interesting is that

593
00:34:41.148 --> 00:34:43.564
we will hear a more
detailed account

594
00:34:43.598 --> 00:34:47.913
and more evidence of this
strange music or sounds

595
00:34:47.947 --> 00:34:49.742
on the far side of the Moon

596
00:34:49.777 --> 00:34:52.331
in the later Apollo 10
manned mission.

597
00:34:53.436 --> 00:34:58.096
And one has to wonder,
is this sound

598
00:34:58.130 --> 00:35:01.754
emanating from a base or
maybe these structures

599
00:35:01.789 --> 00:35:05.620
that were observed on the
far side of the lunar surface

600
00:35:05.655 --> 00:35:08.968
or was the sound actually
coming from space?

601
00:35:09.003 --> 00:35:13.145
And does the Moon operate
as some kind of insulator

602
00:35:13.180 --> 00:35:17.391
to feedback coming from space?

603
00:35:17.425 --> 00:35:20.773
- [Narrator] March 3rd, 1969,
Apollo 9

604
00:35:20.808 --> 00:35:24.294
was the third man's space
mission in the Apollo program

605
00:35:24.329 --> 00:35:27.366
and the first flight with
the Apollo lunar module.

606
00:35:27.401 --> 00:35:30.507
The crew spent 10 days in
low Earth orbit

607
00:35:30.542 --> 00:35:33.510
testing several critical
aspects of landing on the Moon,

608
00:35:33.545 --> 00:35:35.547
including lunar module engines,

609
00:35:35.581 --> 00:35:39.309
spacesuit life support
systems, navigation systems,

610
00:35:39.344 --> 00:35:40.862
and docking maneuvers.

611
00:35:40.897 --> 00:35:43.831
- We were that first crew
that was gonna get a chance

612
00:35:43.865 --> 00:35:47.352
to fly this vehicle and
test this vehicle

613
00:35:47.386 --> 00:35:50.941
that was going to take
human beings to the Moon.

614
00:35:50.976 --> 00:35:55.567
We were very, very aware
of the time pressure

615
00:35:55.601 --> 00:35:57.810
and everything has to go right

616
00:35:57.845 --> 00:36:00.606
if we're for sure gonna
meet Kennedy's goal

617
00:36:00.641 --> 00:36:04.886
of getting to the Moon
in that decade and back.

618
00:36:04.921 --> 00:36:08.200
We tested every possible
thing that could be tested.

619
00:36:08.235 --> 00:36:12.480
The mission was completely
dedicated to testing the systems

620
00:36:12.515 --> 00:36:15.207
the engines and the
guidance and navigation,

621
00:36:15.242 --> 00:36:18.245
all kinds of things that
we could do in Earth orbit.

622
00:36:18.279 --> 00:36:21.248
- Really very difficult to get

623
00:36:21.282 --> 00:36:23.560
the coordinate system
in your head.

624
00:36:23.595 --> 00:36:27.461
Normally, we docked looking
out this way

625
00:36:27.495 --> 00:36:30.118
and for the dock we went
to Lunar module

626
00:36:30.153 --> 00:36:32.707
we had to look out this way.

627
00:36:32.742 --> 00:36:37.781
So, the control system
didn't operate

628
00:36:37.816 --> 00:36:39.127
the way it normally would.

629
00:36:40.957 --> 00:36:43.546
- [Astronaut] How does that
support car handle, Jim?

630
00:36:43.580 --> 00:36:44.581
- [Jim Lovell] Pretty nice.

631
00:36:44.616 --> 00:36:46.618
- [Narrator] This was
the first manned flight

632
00:36:46.652 --> 00:36:47.895
of a lunar module,

633
00:36:47.929 --> 00:36:50.829
the first docking and extraction
with the lunar module,

634
00:36:50.863 --> 00:36:53.659
the first completion
of a two-man spacewalk

635
00:36:53.694 --> 00:36:57.076
and the second docking
of a two-man spacecraft.

636
00:36:57.111 --> 00:36:58.285
- [Commander McDivitt]
We depressurized

637
00:36:58.319 --> 00:37:01.909
both the lunar module
and the command module

638
00:37:01.943 --> 00:37:03.945
and Rusty was going to get out

639
00:37:03.980 --> 00:37:07.846
and transfer over to the
command module.

640
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.126
And we were doing that to
see that it could be done.

641
00:37:12.160 --> 00:37:14.818
[ominous music]

642
00:37:20.962 --> 00:37:24.449
[ominous music continues]

643
00:37:31.076 --> 00:37:34.735
- [Narrator] Two telecasts were
made to Earth from Apollo 9.

644
00:37:34.769 --> 00:37:38.601
The first, on March 5th, lasted
for almost seven minutes.

645
00:37:38.635 --> 00:37:40.913
The second telecast on the
following day

646
00:37:40.948 --> 00:37:42.915
lasted for about 13 minutes

647
00:37:42.950 --> 00:37:46.298
and only showed interior
views of the lunar module.

648
00:37:46.333 --> 00:37:49.612
Photographs taken as part of
the multi-spectral terrain

649
00:37:49.646 --> 00:37:52.270
photographic experiment
were successful.

650
00:37:54.617 --> 00:37:56.274
- [Commander McDivitt]
Now, Dave wanted to get it,

651
00:37:56.308 --> 00:37:57.171
get out of the spacecraft too.

652
00:37:58.448 --> 00:38:01.693
So we, part of the mission was
for him to open up the hatch.

653
00:38:01.727 --> 00:38:04.730
So, we were all out there
in the vacuum.

654
00:38:04.765 --> 00:38:07.388
- [Narrator] Here we are
at this historic moment

655
00:38:07.423 --> 00:38:10.080
that we are all part of,
not just the astronauts,

656
00:38:10.115 --> 00:38:12.255
but everybody who's alive today

657
00:38:12.290 --> 00:38:14.292
and we're all on this
small planet

658
00:38:14.326 --> 00:38:15.914
as representative of life,

659
00:38:15.948 --> 00:38:18.710
we're beginning to move
out from this planet,

660
00:38:18.744 --> 00:38:21.954
which as far as we know,
contains all of the life

661
00:38:21.989 --> 00:38:24.232
in our little corner
of the universe.

662
00:38:29.168 --> 00:38:31.136
- [Astronaut] Annual
attitude control is good.

663
00:38:31.170 --> 00:38:32.482
- [Controller] Roger, copy.

664
00:38:34.450 --> 00:38:37.522
- [Astronaut] I'm gonna
pull your flag,

665
00:38:39.282 --> 00:38:40.352
oops, I bent that one.

666
00:38:41.249 --> 00:38:43.113
- [Astronaut] BTU
expenditure for each crew

667
00:38:43.148 --> 00:38:45.633
and averaging 1,300
surgeon reports.

668
00:38:48.567 --> 00:38:49.672
- [Controller] Jack,
this is Houston.

669
00:38:49.706 --> 00:38:50.673
- [indistinct]

670
00:38:50.707 --> 00:38:52.122
Looks like your water
temperature

671
00:38:52.157 --> 00:38:53.089
is getting pretty high.

672
00:38:53.123 --> 00:38:54.366
You might wanna go to
intermediate cooling

673
00:38:54.401 --> 00:38:55.333
or slow down or something.

674
00:38:55.367 --> 00:38:56.644
Looks like your getting
a little warm.

675
00:39:01.822 --> 00:39:04.549
[dramatic music]

676
00:39:09.070 --> 00:39:11.452
- [Narrator] May 18th, 1969,

677
00:39:11.487 --> 00:39:15.283
the Apollo 10 mission was
the fourth manned mission

678
00:39:15.318 --> 00:39:16.630
of the Apollo program.

679
00:39:21.566 --> 00:39:23.499
- [Astronaut] Roger, Houston,
Apollo 10.

680
00:39:23.533 --> 00:39:26.640
You can tell the world
that we have arrived.

681
00:39:26.674 --> 00:39:29.781
- [Narrator] This mission
was a successful synthesis

682
00:39:29.815 --> 00:39:32.404
of the previous two
completed missions.

683
00:39:32.439 --> 00:39:34.164
It resulted in the lunar module

684
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.202
being placed for the
first time in lunar orbit.

685
00:39:39.963 --> 00:39:43.035
- And they give us a silver
Snoopy for excellence warriors.

686
00:39:43.070 --> 00:39:46.660
I wanted to honor the people
that had worked so hard.

687
00:39:46.694 --> 00:39:48.731
So we called it Snoopy,

688
00:39:48.765 --> 00:39:51.181
but you needed two names
so naturally

689
00:39:51.216 --> 00:39:53.045
the other one was Charlie Brown.

690
00:39:54.184 --> 00:39:55.979
- [Narrator] Stafford
and Cernan were placed

691
00:39:56.014 --> 00:39:58.223
in the lunar module, Snoopy,

692
00:39:58.257 --> 00:40:00.467
after leaving the command
service module.

693
00:40:00.501 --> 00:40:02.054
They managed to place themselves

694
00:40:02.089 --> 00:40:04.263
in an elliptical lunar orbit

695
00:40:04.298 --> 00:40:07.853
about 14 kilometers
above the lunar surface.

696
00:40:07.888 --> 00:40:09.855
- You're amazed at what you see.

697
00:40:09.890 --> 00:40:11.478
The one thing that always
amazed me

698
00:40:11.512 --> 00:40:12.996
were the size of the boulders.

699
00:40:13.031 --> 00:40:17.104
There were these gigantic
craters down on the bottom

700
00:40:17.138 --> 00:40:19.451
would be boulder and up on
the rim would be boulders.

701
00:40:19.969 --> 00:40:22.937
- [Narrator] During the second
and final return to the Moon,

702
00:40:22.972 --> 00:40:25.768
the lunar module lost control,

703
00:40:25.802 --> 00:40:27.942
which was regained shortly
thereafter

704
00:40:27.977 --> 00:40:29.910
by its pilot, Thomas Stafford.

705
00:40:29.944 --> 00:40:30.980
- [Thomas Stafford] Yeah, okay.

706
00:40:31.014 --> 00:40:33.707
Something went wild
there and we're all set.

707
00:40:33.741 --> 00:40:34.570
We didn't lock it.

708
00:40:34.604 --> 00:40:36.088
We're going ahead to
the audible.

709
00:40:36.123 --> 00:40:38.781
- [Controller] Charlie Brown
not Houston a guy saving it.

710
00:40:38.815 --> 00:40:41.473
They had a wild gyration though,

711
00:40:41.508 --> 00:40:43.061
but they got it under control.

712
00:40:43.095 --> 00:40:45.270
- One thing people always ask,

713
00:40:45.304 --> 00:40:47.652
were you frightened,
were you scared?

714
00:40:47.686 --> 00:40:49.343
The answer is no.

715
00:40:49.377 --> 00:40:52.967
We were fighter pilots,
test pilots.

716
00:40:53.002 --> 00:40:54.244
So we knew what risk were.

717
00:40:54.279 --> 00:40:56.937
You did everything you
could to mitigate the risk,

718
00:40:56.971 --> 00:40:58.801
but there was a risk.

719
00:40:58.835 --> 00:41:00.941
So, we understood that.

720
00:41:00.975 --> 00:41:03.046
- [Narrator] After
completing this maneuver,

721
00:41:03.081 --> 00:41:05.463
the lunar module was
abandoned and launched

722
00:41:05.497 --> 00:41:07.913
into orbit around the Sun.

723
00:41:07.948 --> 00:41:11.848
As a final result, the
mission was a success.

724
00:41:11.883 --> 00:41:14.506
Separation and docking
tests in the lunar orbit

725
00:41:14.541 --> 00:41:15.887
between the command module

726
00:41:15.921 --> 00:41:18.959
and the lunar module
were all successful.

727
00:41:18.993 --> 00:41:21.064
The lunar module descended
to an altitude

728
00:41:21.099 --> 00:41:25.897
of approximately 15 kilometers
above the lunar surface.

729
00:41:25.931 --> 00:41:29.832
- Well, we had a series of
debriefings to them about,

730
00:41:29.866 --> 00:41:32.593
because we had all the
procedures worked out.

731
00:41:32.628 --> 00:41:35.044
Actually, I went to Neil
says, buddy, here you are.

732
00:41:35.078 --> 00:41:36.873
Here's all the techniques,

733
00:41:36.908 --> 00:41:40.843
all the procedures down
to the last 50,000 feet.

734
00:41:40.877 --> 00:41:43.915
And you take it there hard
decent on the surface,

735
00:41:43.949 --> 00:41:46.952
50,000 feet up, it's all done.

736
00:41:46.987 --> 00:41:49.852
So they just followed all
the procedures we had.

737
00:41:49.886 --> 00:41:52.544
[ominous music]

738
00:41:55.305 --> 00:41:57.273
We were using has some
live cameras

739
00:41:57.307 --> 00:41:59.586
to get the highest resolution.

740
00:41:59.620 --> 00:42:02.554
Well, then and radar was going.

741
00:42:02.589 --> 00:42:06.316
So radar map, photo
maps and visually maps.

742
00:42:06.351 --> 00:42:08.077
- But I'll tell you one
thing, when we went over,

743
00:42:08.111 --> 00:42:10.251
we made two passes over
the landing site

744
00:42:10.286 --> 00:42:12.702
and I tell you what,

745
00:42:13.945 --> 00:42:16.775
I think I said things that
boy we are down among,

746
00:42:16.810 --> 00:42:18.881
I felt like I had to pick
up my feet

747
00:42:18.915 --> 00:42:20.676
to keep from dragging
on top of the mountains.

748
00:42:20.710 --> 00:42:23.955
I mean we were close and
we're going over those hills

749
00:42:23.989 --> 00:42:25.612
at 3,000 miles an hour.

750
00:42:25.646 --> 00:42:28.166
So, you can just imagine
what that was like.

751
00:42:28.200 --> 00:42:32.066
And it was one of those
quick touch and goes.

752
00:42:32.101 --> 00:42:35.553
We didn't have a chance to put
our tail hook down to stay.

753
00:42:37.002 --> 00:42:42.007
And that would've been the
big part of the challenge.

754
00:42:42.560 --> 00:42:44.320
Nonetheless, we were
only the second flight

755
00:42:44.354 --> 00:42:45.183
to go to the Moon,

756
00:42:45.217 --> 00:42:47.219
the first to take the
lunar module.

757
00:42:47.254 --> 00:42:49.567
And it was the right decision
to be made

758
00:42:49.601 --> 00:42:50.775
to get everything done.

759
00:42:50.809 --> 00:42:55.469
And we found some problems
that had we attempted to land

760
00:42:55.503 --> 00:42:56.746
might have kept us from landing

761
00:42:56.781 --> 00:42:59.715
and then paved a way for Apollo

762
00:42:59.749 --> 00:43:01.613
to go hand and successfully land

763
00:43:01.648 --> 00:43:04.236
So, it was the right
decision at the right time.

764
00:43:04.271 --> 00:43:05.755
- I have, I've looked
at a lot of transcripts.

765
00:43:05.790 --> 00:43:08.482
The Apollo lunar surface
journal was great for that.

766
00:43:08.516 --> 00:43:10.518
On Apollo 10, which is
where we have

767
00:43:10.553 --> 00:43:13.280
the images of Sinus Medii,
it's really fascinating,

768
00:43:13.314 --> 00:43:15.972
because Gene Cernan
was on that mission

769
00:43:16.007 --> 00:43:17.525
as well as Apollo 17.

770
00:43:17.560 --> 00:43:20.598
And they're at 50,000 feet

771
00:43:20.632 --> 00:43:24.222
and he says, wow, we are
really down among them now.

772
00:43:24.256 --> 00:43:27.190
I'm like there's nothing
at 50,000 feet.

773
00:43:27.225 --> 00:43:28.675
If the Moon is what
they tell us is,

774
00:43:28.709 --> 00:43:31.712
unless it's this
artificial glass structure.

775
00:43:31.747 --> 00:43:33.265
at 50,000 feet.

776
00:43:33.300 --> 00:43:34.577
- [Interviewer] If they're
scared of hitting it.

777
00:43:34.612 --> 00:43:39.202
- Yeah, meaning he's in
amongst towering stuff.

778
00:43:39.237 --> 00:43:40.272
Well, it isn't the mountains,

779
00:43:40.307 --> 00:43:41.964
'cause the mountains
aren't that high for sure.

780
00:43:41.998 --> 00:43:44.311
- [Narrator] In addition to
recording telemetry related

781
00:43:44.345 --> 00:43:47.417
to the performance of the
lunar module spacecraft itself

782
00:43:47.452 --> 00:43:50.213
the DSEA also made
audio recordings

783
00:43:50.248 --> 00:43:52.975
of any crew conversation
throughout the mission.

784
00:43:53.009 --> 00:43:54.632
- [Astronaut] Apollo can
Houston, two minutes,

785
00:43:54.666 --> 00:43:59.637
the LOS, everybody here
says God speed.

786
00:44:00.672 --> 00:44:01.846
- [Controller] Okay.
and we'll see you right

787
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:03.261
on the other side in orbit.

788
00:44:05.953 --> 00:44:07.058
- [Astronaut] Okay, this
has got be

789
00:44:07.092 --> 00:44:09.716
the greatest site ever here.

790
00:44:09.750 --> 00:44:12.650
- [Astronaut] Try to
stand up here.

791
00:44:13.651 --> 00:44:16.308
[ominous music]

792
00:44:21.797 --> 00:44:25.317
[ominous music continues]

793
00:44:30.978 --> 00:44:34.499
[ominous music continues]

794
00:44:40.229 --> 00:44:43.715
[ominous music continues]

795
00:44:49.238 --> 00:44:52.690
[ominous music continues]

796
00:44:58.523 --> 00:45:02.009
[ominous music continues]

797
00:45:07.946 --> 00:45:11.467
[ominous music continues]

798
00:45:17.784 --> 00:45:21.270
[ominous music continues]

799
00:45:27.276 --> 00:45:30.762
[ominous music continues]

800
00:45:39.737 --> 00:45:43.050
- [Reporter] Noises reportedly
were heard in May, 1969

801
00:45:43.085 --> 00:45:46.605
by the Apollo 10 astronauts
as they circled the Moon.

802
00:45:46.640 --> 00:45:48.884
The sounds which lasted
about an hour

803
00:45:48.918 --> 00:45:52.680
were recorded and transmitted
to Mission Control in Houston.

804
00:45:53.509 --> 00:45:56.029
- The music even sounds
outer space doesn't it?

805
00:45:56.063 --> 00:45:56.857
You hear that?

806
00:45:56.892 --> 00:45:57.755
That whistling sound?

807
00:45:58.652 --> 00:45:59.584
Whoooooooo.

808
00:46:09.628 --> 00:46:10.629
- [Controller] We are
getting data.

809
00:46:10.664 --> 00:46:12.770
We don't have any voice
communication yet.

810
00:46:13.909 --> 00:46:15.703
- [Astronaut] Roger Houston,
Apollo 10.

811
00:46:15.738 --> 00:46:18.983
You can tell the world
that we have arrived.

812
00:46:19.017 --> 00:46:20.363
- [Controller] Roger 10,
it's good to hear from you.

813
00:46:20.398 --> 00:46:22.780
- [Gene Cernan] You
wouldn't believe this thing.

814
00:46:25.506 --> 00:46:27.094
- [Astronaut] Roger 10,
we're still

815
00:46:27.129 --> 00:46:29.303
having problems popping up.

816
00:46:29.338 --> 00:46:31.858
Oh, we'd like you to go to
white beam for 30 seconds

817
00:46:31.892 --> 00:46:33.480
and then back to narrow over.

818
00:46:33.514 --> 00:46:35.171
- [Gene Cernan] No, I can
see it with the naked eye

819
00:46:35.206 --> 00:46:37.104
and I put the binocular on it

820
00:46:37.139 --> 00:46:38.968
and I can it spinning around

821
00:46:39.003 --> 00:46:42.040
and I wouldn't bet my
life on it being the S4B

822
00:46:42.075 --> 00:46:45.492
but it's sure gotta be
something like it.

823
00:46:47.770 --> 00:46:50.566
- [Reporter] That was Gene
Cernan reporting that sighting.

824
00:46:56.675 --> 00:46:58.781
- [Gene Cernan] You know,
it's a beautiful sight.

825
00:46:58.816 --> 00:47:00.921
We're sitting here, it's
almost like science fiction.

826
00:47:00.956 --> 00:47:02.612
Looking back at it, Bruce.

827
00:47:07.583 --> 00:47:10.897
This is the peacock of
Apollo 10, Roger.

828
00:47:12.726 --> 00:47:15.763
And we'd like to say hello
from the five of us if we may.

829
00:47:16.764 --> 00:47:17.593
Roger.

830
00:47:18.766 --> 00:47:21.424
[ominous music]

831
00:47:33.160 --> 00:47:35.197
Charlie this is it.

832
00:47:36.163 --> 00:47:37.509
It's so hard to describe.

833
00:47:37.544 --> 00:47:39.201
You can go right up.

834
00:47:41.444 --> 00:47:42.135
Uh,

835
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:43.757
It is incredible.

836
00:47:50.005 --> 00:47:51.316
- [Controller] Okay, this has
got to be

837
00:47:51.351 --> 00:47:52.559
the greatest sight ever.

838
00:47:53.940 --> 00:47:55.079
- [Astronaut] You gotta see
it up here.

839
00:48:06.366 --> 00:48:10.749
The land masses don't seem
to stand out quite as clearly

840
00:48:10.784 --> 00:48:12.682
today as they did yesterday.

841
00:48:12.717 --> 00:48:15.375
[ominous music]

842
00:48:20.311 --> 00:48:21.968
- [Controller]
How's the view 10?

843
00:48:24.384 --> 00:48:26.317
- [Astronaut] We have our
student geologist here

844
00:48:26.351 --> 00:48:29.389
overlook at the surface
that they reported admitted.

845
00:48:30.252 --> 00:48:32.081
- [Controller] Roger,
standing by over.

846
00:48:32.116 --> 00:48:33.703
- [Astronaut] Okay, we're just
passing from the highlands

847
00:48:33.738 --> 00:48:38.708
over into the Mari area and
you can pass on to Jack.

848
00:48:38.743 --> 00:48:41.159
We caught a couple of real
pretty little volcanoes,

849
00:48:41.194 --> 00:48:42.264
there's no doubt about 'em.

850
00:48:42.298 --> 00:48:45.784
And we got a couple of
good high resolution photos

851
00:48:45.819 --> 00:48:49.961
and it still looks kind of
brownish crater to us here over.

852
00:48:51.549 --> 00:48:53.275
- [Controller] Roger,
we copy, we hear that.

853
00:48:53.309 --> 00:48:56.519
- [Astronaut] There was place
back there where there's that.

854
00:48:56.554 --> 00:48:59.315
There was one volcano or
whatever it was

855
00:49:00.454 --> 00:49:02.077
that it was all white
on the outside,

856
00:49:02.111 --> 00:49:04.286
but definitely black
around the top of it.

857
00:49:06.771 --> 00:49:07.841
- [Controller] Roger.

858
00:49:11.810 --> 00:49:13.157
Charlie, it might sound corny,

859
00:49:13.191 --> 00:49:15.228
but the view is really
out of this world.

860
00:49:19.128 --> 00:49:20.612
We had a couple of comments.

861
00:49:21.510 --> 00:49:23.167
The back row that
I won't repeat.

862
00:49:27.067 --> 00:49:30.001
Apollo 10, Houston,
two minutes to LOS.

863
00:49:30.968 --> 00:49:32.555
Everybody here says God speed.

864
00:49:35.489 --> 00:49:36.870
- [Astronaut] Okay,
And we'll see you

865
00:49:36.904 --> 00:49:38.596
on the other side in orbit.

866
00:49:38.630 --> 00:49:41.702
- [Controller] Oh Roger,
76 22 55.

867
00:49:57.511 --> 00:49:59.720
- Many skeptics and debunkers

868
00:49:59.755 --> 00:50:02.585
will remark on the fact that

869
00:50:02.620 --> 00:50:06.796
mainstream media was not
reporting on UFOs, anomalies

870
00:50:06.831 --> 00:50:10.455
and structures being
witnessed by astronauts

871
00:50:10.490 --> 00:50:12.388
during the Apollo
manned missions.

872
00:50:12.423 --> 00:50:15.426
And the simple reason why
mainstream media

873
00:50:15.460 --> 00:50:19.430
wasn't exposed to this back
in the 1960s and seventies

874
00:50:19.464 --> 00:50:22.226
during the Apollo missions
is because

875
00:50:22.260 --> 00:50:25.746
that information was
deeply classified.

876
00:50:25.781 --> 00:50:30.441
In fact, the DSEA tapes
weren't actually declassified

877
00:50:30.475 --> 00:50:33.892
till 12 years after these
Apollo manned missions.

878
00:50:34.962 --> 00:50:39.933
And additionally, we didn't
have photography and film

879
00:50:40.934 --> 00:50:45.007
fully examined by many
of the UFO researchers

880
00:50:45.042 --> 00:50:48.321
and independent researchers
like Luna Cognita

881
00:50:48.355 --> 00:50:50.840
until many years after.

882
00:50:50.875 --> 00:50:52.049
- How can they keep the secret?

883
00:50:52.083 --> 00:50:55.431
Some of these SETI people like
really just make me laugh.

884
00:50:55.466 --> 00:50:58.055
I've heard some pretty
stupid comments

885
00:50:58.089 --> 00:50:59.711
coming out of these mouths.

886
00:50:59.746 --> 00:51:02.611
Like this assumption
that, oh yeah, the press,

887
00:51:02.645 --> 00:51:05.545
the media wants this scoop.

888
00:51:05.579 --> 00:51:08.548
Well, the media doesn't
want that scoop,

889
00:51:08.582 --> 00:51:10.343
because they're not
authorized to give it

890
00:51:10.377 --> 00:51:11.792
and they won't give it,

891
00:51:11.827 --> 00:51:13.311
'cause the intelligence
community will tell them

892
00:51:13.346 --> 00:51:14.416
what they can give.

893
00:51:14.450 --> 00:51:18.903
And NASA doesn't
want this scoop.

894
00:51:20.007 --> 00:51:22.458
And I don't care what
these SETI people

895
00:51:22.493 --> 00:51:25.979
like to tell the public
they don't want that scoop.

896
00:51:26.013 --> 00:51:27.877
- So another case like this,
which is really interesting,

897
00:51:27.912 --> 00:51:31.122
is the case of NASA frame
AS10-32-4822.

898
00:51:33.814 --> 00:51:36.541
This is a photograph or
a series of photographs

899
00:51:36.576 --> 00:51:39.613
that was taken over the
lunar surface

900
00:51:39.648 --> 00:51:42.133
right in the middle Sinus
Medii the sea in the middle.

901
00:51:42.168 --> 00:51:45.930
The sea in the middle where
the Apollo 10 spacecraft

902
00:51:45.964 --> 00:51:49.175
was flying by and took
photographs of this area.

903
00:51:49.209 --> 00:51:51.280
This is dead center on
the lunar disk.

904
00:51:51.315 --> 00:51:53.179
If you were to look at
the lunar disk,

905
00:51:53.213 --> 00:51:55.319
you'd see a triangular shaped
crater called you Kurt.

906
00:51:55.353 --> 00:51:58.115
And then right next to it
is the Sinus Medii area.

907
00:51:58.149 --> 00:52:03.223
It's also an area where surveyor
four disappeared in mid-air

908
00:52:03.258 --> 00:52:04.914
while descending to
a landing there

909
00:52:04.949 --> 00:52:08.401
just like a bug went
splat on a windshield.

910
00:52:08.435 --> 00:52:09.609
So this is the photograph.

911
00:52:09.643 --> 00:52:13.751
This is an original analog
image that's been scanned in

912
00:52:13.785 --> 00:52:18.790
by researchers back
in the 1990s.

913
00:52:18.997 --> 00:52:20.275
And it looks pretty
straightforward.

914
00:52:20.309 --> 00:52:23.692
This is actually AS10-32-4810.

915
00:52:23.726 --> 00:52:25.590
So it's a couple images earlier.

916
00:52:25.625 --> 00:52:27.178
It's 12 images earlier than that

917
00:52:27.213 --> 00:52:28.869
over the Sinus Medii region.

918
00:52:28.904 --> 00:52:30.733
And you notice in the
background that

919
00:52:30.768 --> 00:52:33.495
there's all this weird
sort of stuff.

920
00:52:33.529 --> 00:52:36.222
You see all this light sources,

921
00:52:36.256 --> 00:52:38.051
now that can't be stars,

922
00:52:38.085 --> 00:52:41.227
because the frame exposure
is one 250th of a second.

923
00:52:41.261 --> 00:52:42.849
If you go much longer than that,

924
00:52:42.883 --> 00:52:45.714
the whole foreground is gonna
be washed out with light.

925
00:52:45.748 --> 00:52:47.233
So it has to be really,
really rapid.

926
00:52:47.267 --> 00:52:49.787
So it can't possibly be far
distance stars

927
00:52:49.821 --> 00:52:51.996
and galaxies and planets.

928
00:52:52.030 --> 00:52:54.999
But if you enhance this image,

929
00:52:55.033 --> 00:52:57.967
if you brighten up the
background, it gets even weirder

930
00:52:58.002 --> 00:52:59.728
because this is what the
background is.

931
00:52:59.762 --> 00:53:02.696
So what you see is that
these light points

932
00:53:02.731 --> 00:53:07.011
are actually just points
of... structure

933
00:53:07.045 --> 00:53:09.945
that is in this massive
miles high...

934
00:53:11.878 --> 00:53:15.192
geometric structure above the
lunar surface over the sea

935
00:53:15.226 --> 00:53:16.434
in the middle of Sinus Medii.

936
00:53:16.469 --> 00:53:21.474
Now, if you notice, there
are these crisscrossing lines

937
00:53:21.715 --> 00:53:22.716
and people are like, oh,

938
00:53:22.751 --> 00:53:24.442
those are just scratches
on the negative.

939
00:53:24.477 --> 00:53:25.754
Well, but that doesn't
make any sense,

940
00:53:25.788 --> 00:53:28.481
because when do scratches
on the negative

941
00:53:28.515 --> 00:53:32.416
follow the curvature of
the lunar surface?

942
00:53:32.450 --> 00:53:36.799
And when do they intersect
at 90 degree angles,

943
00:53:36.834 --> 00:53:37.800
like these do.

944
00:53:38.629 --> 00:53:40.838
And again, as an engineer,
I look at this,

945
00:53:40.872 --> 00:53:41.977
I look at the spacing.

946
00:53:42.011 --> 00:53:44.704
I say this is exactly
how I would construct

947
00:53:44.738 --> 00:53:48.259
a grid-like structure over
the surface of the Moon.

948
00:53:48.294 --> 00:53:53.264
If you zoom in on it, there's
this sort of box-like shape.

949
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:57.268
And here's spars coming this
way and spars coming that way.

950
00:53:57.303 --> 00:53:58.718
And here's one crossing.

951
00:53:58.752 --> 00:54:01.410
And these are all not scratches.

952
00:54:01.445 --> 00:54:03.309
These all have structure
to them.

953
00:54:03.343 --> 00:54:06.829
They all have, if you look at
them really, really closely,

954
00:54:06.864 --> 00:54:10.695
they all have segments, they
all have aspects to them

955
00:54:10.730 --> 00:54:12.732
that make them appear
to be engineering.

956
00:54:13.836 --> 00:54:15.976
And when you enhance
it, put a color into it,

957
00:54:16.011 --> 00:54:17.357
it looks even weirder.

958
00:54:19.808 --> 00:54:23.156
Here's another version with
a slightly darker background.

959
00:54:23.190 --> 00:54:25.469
So then you get a couple
of pictures later

960
00:54:25.503 --> 00:54:29.266
and you go to AS10-32-4816.

961
00:54:29.300 --> 00:54:33.718
So four photographs later, over
the surface of Sinus Medii.

962
00:54:33.753 --> 00:54:34.995
Here you have the same
phenomenon.

963
00:54:35.030 --> 00:54:36.859
You have these little
points of light,

964
00:54:36.894 --> 00:54:39.862
which should not be there
at all.

965
00:54:39.897 --> 00:54:43.659
And then when you enhance
that background, you see this.

966
00:54:45.005 --> 00:54:49.631
This looks like, I don't
know, skyscrapers on the Moon,

967
00:54:49.665 --> 00:54:50.735
The Twin Towers.

968
00:54:50.770 --> 00:54:52.392
I mean when you look
and zoom up on this

969
00:54:52.427 --> 00:54:53.945
and also notice this isn't

970
00:54:53.980 --> 00:54:56.327
some sort of like
digital artifact,

971
00:54:56.362 --> 00:54:57.949
because if it was, it would
be over the whole thing.

972
00:54:57.984 --> 00:55:01.884
Yet, there's this big hole
through which you can see

973
00:55:01.919 --> 00:55:05.302
stuff in the background,
more big towering stuff.

974
00:55:05.336 --> 00:55:07.580
And when you zoom up
on the edges of that,

975
00:55:07.614 --> 00:55:09.823
you can see just how
weird they are.

976
00:55:09.858 --> 00:55:12.930
They look like big glass
skyscrapers.

977
00:55:12.964 --> 00:55:15.001
So having found this stuff,

978
00:55:15.035 --> 00:55:17.969
Hoagland was really
interested in finding more.

979
00:55:18.004 --> 00:55:19.764
So he went and he got himself

980
00:55:19.799 --> 00:55:22.940
an old North American
photographic catalog

981
00:55:22.974 --> 00:55:24.424
from the time period.

982
00:55:24.459 --> 00:55:28.670
And as he looked at these
images, he went and he said,

983
00:55:28.704 --> 00:55:30.430
oh, well, look at some
of these other ones.

984
00:55:30.465 --> 00:55:34.814
These other catalog images
don't look like much at all.

985
00:55:34.848 --> 00:55:38.852
They look really over
underexposed, including this one

986
00:55:38.887 --> 00:55:40.440
which is completely blacked out.

987
00:55:40.475 --> 00:55:43.616
It's like they left the lens
cap on the camera or something.

988
00:55:43.650 --> 00:55:45.238
So what did he do?

989
00:55:45.272 --> 00:55:47.136
He ordered the blacked out
photograph.

990
00:55:47.171 --> 00:55:50.588
And when he got AS10-32-4822,

991
00:55:50.623 --> 00:55:53.039
again, taken just what,
six frames later,

992
00:55:54.937 --> 00:55:59.425
he got this area of Sinus Medii,

993
00:55:59.459 --> 00:56:02.876
which is about the size
of the Los Angeles Basin,

994
00:56:02.911 --> 00:56:05.051
and has been analyzed
by geologists who said,

995
00:56:05.085 --> 00:56:07.847
this is a completely
non-natural pattern.

996
00:56:07.881 --> 00:56:11.195
Again, 90 degrees,
crisscrossing streets,

997
00:56:11.229 --> 00:56:15.958
that kind of thing, as if you
were looking at Los Angeles.

998
00:56:15.993 --> 00:56:19.548
And as you zoom up on
it, it gets even weirder.

999
00:56:19.583 --> 00:56:23.276
And then there are objects
that appeared

1000
00:56:23.310 --> 00:56:24.795
that then seemed to disappear.

1001
00:56:25.658 --> 00:56:28.074
What they did is they
ordered 4822

1002
00:56:28.108 --> 00:56:29.489
once they thought they
had something.

1003
00:56:29.524 --> 00:56:33.286
They ordered 4822 from nine
different NASA archives

1004
00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:34.321
that existed at the time where

1005
00:56:34.356 --> 00:56:36.565
you could get photographic
prints,

1006
00:56:36.600 --> 00:56:40.604
Hawaii, Maryland, Washington DC.

1007
00:56:40.638 --> 00:56:45.091
And what they found is that
all nine of the versions

1008
00:56:45.125 --> 00:56:49.647
of AS10-32-4822 were different.

1009
00:56:51.131 --> 00:56:54.134
So what they realized was
that what they were looking at

1010
00:56:54.169 --> 00:56:56.689
was probably a power
winder sequence.

1011
00:56:56.723 --> 00:56:59.312
The spacecraft is moving
left to right,

1012
00:56:59.346 --> 00:57:00.796
the astronauts looking
out the window,

1013
00:57:00.831 --> 00:57:03.074
he's got a power winder
on his Hasselblad.

1014
00:57:03.109 --> 00:57:04.938
He pushes down his
finger and takes

1015
00:57:04.973 --> 00:57:09.046
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

1016
00:57:09.080 --> 00:57:10.979
And so, objects would appear

1017
00:57:11.013 --> 00:57:14.189
in some versions of 4822
and disappear in others.

1018
00:57:14.223 --> 00:57:16.398
Here's an example of
one of those.

1019
00:57:17.503 --> 00:57:20.471
It looks like a giant paper
clip near Los Angeles.

1020
00:57:20.506 --> 00:57:23.336
If you go back to Los
Angeles, if you go back.

1021
00:57:24.648 --> 00:57:26.857
That object should be
right here, it's not there.

1022
00:57:26.891 --> 00:57:28.755
But then the next frame,
it is there,

1023
00:57:28.790 --> 00:57:31.137
because the light changes.

1024
00:57:31.171 --> 00:57:32.379
So this is a huge antenna.

1025
00:57:32.414 --> 00:57:35.382
This tower is a couple
hundred feet tall

1026
00:57:35.417 --> 00:57:39.939
and whatever this thing is,
it's an antenna or something.

1027
00:57:39.973 --> 00:57:41.803
It does not belong on the Moon.

1028
00:57:41.837 --> 00:57:44.288
If the Moon is what NASA
tells us it is.

1029
00:57:44.322 --> 00:57:49.327
And there are other frames
through the area of 4822

1030
00:57:49.673 --> 00:57:52.089
that show weird light reflection

1031
00:57:52.123 --> 00:57:54.505
like there's lights on
down there.

1032
00:57:54.540 --> 00:57:55.782
And then there's this object,

1033
00:57:55.817 --> 00:57:58.889
which is my favorite one on
the various versions of 4822.

1034
00:57:58.923 --> 00:57:59.717
It's pretty famous.

1035
00:57:59.752 --> 00:58:01.788
It's called The Castle.

1036
00:58:01.823 --> 00:58:05.378
And it appears to be hanging
amidst all this stuff.

1037
00:58:05.412 --> 00:58:09.762
Just hanging there in space
miles above the lunar surface.

1038
00:58:09.796 --> 00:58:13.904
It has segments that clearly
look to me to be structural.

1039
00:58:13.938 --> 00:58:16.251
There's even a indication of a,

1040
00:58:16.285 --> 00:58:18.978
like a sagging line.
- [Interviewer] Scaffolding?

1041
00:58:19.012 --> 00:58:21.532
- Yeah, scaffolding or
a sagging like line

1042
00:58:21.567 --> 00:58:22.568
that it's hanging from.

1043
00:58:22.602 --> 00:58:24.293
You can see that this,
the weight of this thing

1044
00:58:24.328 --> 00:58:28.539
is pulling on this wire
that it's hanging from.

1045
00:58:28.574 --> 00:58:29.885
And it does appear in a couple

1046
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:31.922
different versions of the frame.

1047
00:58:31.956 --> 00:58:34.165
Here's the one with the
wire and then this one

1048
00:58:34.200 --> 00:58:37.514
is obviously the next one
over and another step over

1049
00:58:37.548 --> 00:58:39.895
where the thing has not
reflected the light,

1050
00:58:39.930 --> 00:58:41.310
because now the spacecraft
has moved.

1051
00:58:41.345 --> 00:58:44.521
So, it's changed direction
just a little bit.

1052
00:58:44.555 --> 00:58:47.006
The wire disappears that
it's hanging from

1053
00:58:47.040 --> 00:58:48.214
and it's narrower.

1054
00:58:48.248 --> 00:58:51.389
See how it's narrower
than it is here,

1055
00:58:51.424 --> 00:58:52.632
- [Interviewer] It's under
exposed.

1056
00:58:52.667 --> 00:58:53.840
- Right, and basically,

1057
00:58:53.875 --> 00:58:55.877
because the light geometry
is fading,

1058
00:58:55.911 --> 00:58:58.120
the light is not now bouncing
directly into the camera

1059
00:58:58.155 --> 00:59:00.675
like it was a split second
before that,

1060
00:59:00.709 --> 00:59:01.848
because the spacecraft is moving

1061
00:59:01.883 --> 00:59:03.850
at thousands of miles an hour.

1062
00:59:03.885 --> 00:59:05.369
And again, you go up to
the edge of it

1063
00:59:05.403 --> 00:59:06.577
and you can see that
there's sort of

1064
00:59:06.612 --> 00:59:08.234
an internal geometry to it.

1065
00:59:08.268 --> 00:59:10.719
There's a lot of cells
and structures.

1066
00:59:10.754 --> 00:59:12.963
It is absolutely fascinating.

1067
00:59:12.997 --> 00:59:15.586
And they hid, they knew
what was on these,

1068
00:59:15.621 --> 00:59:19.176
because they hid all
nine of these photographs

1069
00:59:19.210 --> 00:59:20.315
under one frame number.

1070
00:59:20.349 --> 00:59:24.181
It should be 4822, 4823, 4824,

1071
00:59:24.215 --> 00:59:25.769
all the way up to 4832.

1072
00:59:25.803 --> 00:59:28.081
But it's not, it's all buried
under one frame number,

1073
00:59:28.116 --> 00:59:29.807
which they, I will remind you,

1074
00:59:29.842 --> 00:59:31.153
blacked out in the catalog,

1075
00:59:31.188 --> 00:59:32.948
'cause they didn't want
anybody to look at it.

1076
00:59:32.983 --> 00:59:35.295
But because of the
religious aspects of this,

1077
00:59:35.330 --> 00:59:39.265
the weird, strange symbolism
and stuff,

1078
00:59:39.299 --> 00:59:42.233
they couldn't just completely
erase them from history.

1079
00:59:42.268 --> 00:59:45.961
They had to give you some
access to the originals.

1080
00:59:46.997 --> 00:59:48.792
If it wasn't for Hoagland
being super clever,

1081
00:59:48.826 --> 00:59:50.656
we would never have
found this stuff.

1082
00:59:50.690 --> 00:59:53.451
[dramatic music]

1083
00:59:58.387 --> 01:00:01.701
[high pace music]

1084
01:00:01.736 --> 01:00:03.496
- For the first time,
man is about

1085
01:00:03.530 --> 01:00:05.567
to set foot on the Moon surface.

1086
01:00:07.293 --> 01:00:09.709
This is the television
camera that

1087
01:00:09.744 --> 01:00:12.194
will record that historic event.

1088
01:00:13.886 --> 01:00:16.854
You'll see it live on
your home television set.

1089
01:00:17.821 --> 01:00:21.203
I'm Stan Lebar Westinghouse
program manager

1090
01:00:21.238 --> 01:00:23.102
for Apollo television cameras.

1091
01:00:24.103 --> 01:00:26.761
The public is probably
most familiar

1092
01:00:26.795 --> 01:00:29.522
with this color television
camera

1093
01:00:29.556 --> 01:00:34.561
that was used by astronaut
Tom Stafford on Apollo 10.

1094
01:00:35.252 --> 01:00:37.150
And this is a camera that
took those

1095
01:00:37.185 --> 01:00:41.430
extraordinary color pictures
of both the Earth and the Moon.

1096
01:00:41.465 --> 01:00:44.399
Incidentally, this color
camera will be used

1097
01:00:44.433 --> 01:00:46.884
in the command module
on Apollo 11.

1098
01:00:48.092 --> 01:00:50.647
But the world attention
will be focused

1099
01:00:50.681 --> 01:00:53.304
on this small black and
white camera

1100
01:00:53.339 --> 01:00:55.444
that will be located in the lens

1101
01:00:55.479 --> 01:00:57.688
and it will record the astronaut

1102
01:00:57.723 --> 01:01:00.553
as he descends to the
lunar surface

1103
01:01:00.587 --> 01:01:03.245
and takes those first
monumental steps.

1104
01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:05.316
- [Controller] This is
Apollo Saturn launch control.

1105
01:01:05.351 --> 01:01:06.939
We passed the six minute mark

1106
01:01:06.973 --> 01:01:08.699
in our countdown for Apollo 11.

1107
01:01:08.734 --> 01:01:12.530
The flight to land the
first men on the Moon.

1108
01:01:12.565 --> 01:01:13.946
The vehicle's starting to pressu

1109
01:01:13.980 --> 01:01:16.638
as far as the propellant
tanks are concerned

1110
01:01:16.673 --> 01:01:20.435
and all is still go as we
monitor our status for it.

1111
01:01:20.469 --> 01:01:22.644
Firing command coming in now.

1112
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:24.163
They're on an automatic sequence

1113
01:01:24.197 --> 01:01:26.993
as the master computer
supervises hundreds of events

1114
01:01:27.028 --> 01:01:29.375
occurring over these last
few minutes.

1115
01:01:30.479 --> 01:01:31.860
Neil Armstrong reported back

1116
01:01:31.895 --> 01:01:33.241
when he received the good wishes

1117
01:01:33.275 --> 01:01:34.311
Thank you very much.

1118
01:01:34.345 --> 01:01:36.002
We know it will be
a good flight.

1119
01:01:37.072 --> 01:01:38.764
Good luck and God speed.

1120
01:01:40.110 --> 01:01:43.907
40 seconds away from
the Apollo 11 lift off.

1121
01:01:43.941 --> 01:01:46.081
All the second stage
tanks now pressurized,

1122
01:01:46.116 --> 01:01:47.807
35 seconds and counting.

1123
01:01:47.842 --> 01:01:52.018
We are still go with Apollo
11, T minus 15 seconds.

1124
01:01:52.053 --> 01:01:53.710
Guidance is internal.

1125
01:01:53.744 --> 01:01:58.715
12, 11, 10, 9,
ignition sequence start, 6.

1126
01:02:01.441 --> 01:02:04.375
[rockets blasting]

1127
01:02:07.413 --> 01:02:10.450
- [Narrator] July 16th, 1969,

1128
01:02:10.485 --> 01:02:12.970
Apollo 11 was the fifth
manned mission

1129
01:02:13.005 --> 01:02:14.765
of the US Apollo program

1130
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:18.527
and the first in history to
land a human being on the Moon.

1131
01:02:19.494 --> 01:02:22.497
[suspenseful music]

1132
01:02:30.436 --> 01:02:33.370
[rockets blasting]

1133
01:02:45.485 --> 01:02:46.970
- [Gary Martynuik] Today, I
wanted to give you a closer look

1134
01:02:47.004 --> 01:02:50.214
at a very brief segment of
16 mm "DAC" Motion Picture

1135
01:02:50.249 --> 01:02:52.285
footage from the NASA archives

1136
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:55.254
that was originally shot
back in July in 1969

1137
01:02:55.288 --> 01:02:57.359
during the flight of Apollo 11.

1138
01:02:57.394 --> 01:02:58.809
And the footage was taken throug

1139
01:02:58.844 --> 01:03:00.846
one of the windows of the
command service module

1140
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:03.193
during what was called
the Trans-Lunar Coast

1141
01:03:03.227 --> 01:03:05.402
or TLC phase of the mission.

1142
01:03:05.436 --> 01:03:07.922
And this was the three-day
period when the astronauts

1143
01:03:07.956 --> 01:03:10.752
were crossing the almost
400,000 kilometer

1144
01:03:10.787 --> 01:03:13.997
cislunar void that separates
our Earth from the Moon.

1145
01:03:14.031 --> 01:03:15.170
And at some point during

1146
01:03:15.205 --> 01:03:17.586
this outbound journey
through cislunar space,

1147
01:03:17.621 --> 01:03:19.381
one of the Apollo 11 astronauts

1148
01:03:19.416 --> 01:03:20.900
did some unscheduled shooting

1149
01:03:20.935 --> 01:03:23.696
with the 16 mm "DAC"
Motion Picture Camera.

1150
01:03:23.730 --> 01:03:25.422
And in the process
managed to film

1151
01:03:25.456 --> 01:03:28.839
several unidentified objects
outside their spacecraft.

1152
01:03:28.874 --> 01:03:30.807
And to show you what I mean,

1153
01:03:37.227 --> 01:03:38.642
While this particular clip
has been

1154
01:03:38.676 --> 01:03:41.196
digitally archived by NASA,
so that when played back,

1155
01:03:41.231 --> 01:03:43.889
it appears to be about
one second in duration,

1156
01:03:43.923 --> 01:03:45.545
it is not actually showing us

1157
01:03:45.580 --> 01:03:48.134
a one second period of
time caught on film.

1158
01:03:48.169 --> 01:03:49.998
This clip we're examining
here is actually

1159
01:03:50.033 --> 01:03:52.345
time compressed stop
motion footage.

1160
01:03:52.380 --> 01:03:54.451
And in this case, the
sequence is comprised

1161
01:03:54.485 --> 01:03:58.489
of 11 individual distinct
frames of 16 millimeter film

1162
01:03:58.524 --> 01:04:01.285
that were originally exposed
at one frame per second

1163
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:04.185
intervals over a period of 11 seconds.

1164
01:04:04.219 --> 01:04:06.532
And this type of stop
motion filming was possible,

1165
01:04:06.566 --> 01:04:09.569
because the Mauer 16 mm DAC
that was used

1166
01:04:09.604 --> 01:04:11.848
throughout the Apollo program
was in fact

1167
01:04:11.882 --> 01:04:13.919
a variable frame rate
motion picture camera

1168
01:04:13.953 --> 01:04:15.575
that was capable of shooting

1169
01:04:15.610 --> 01:04:17.957
at four different preset
exposure speeds

1170
01:04:17.992 --> 01:04:21.443
either 1, 6, 12, or 24 frames
per second.

1171
01:04:21.478 --> 01:04:24.584
And in the case of this footage,
rather than archiving it

1172
01:04:24.619 --> 01:04:27.518
at the correct one frame
per second playback speed,

1173
01:04:27.553 --> 01:04:29.831
they instead incorrectly
archived the sequence

1174
01:04:29.866 --> 01:04:33.041
as if it had been shot at 12
frames per second instead.

1175
01:04:33.076 --> 01:04:34.663
So this means that NASA actually

1176
01:04:34.698 --> 01:04:36.907
present this stop motion
sequence in such a way

1177
01:04:36.942 --> 01:04:38.736
that it is being shown
at a playback rate

1178
01:04:38.771 --> 01:04:40.428
that's 12 times faster than

1179
01:04:40.462 --> 01:04:42.602
what the frames were
actually exposed at.

1180
01:04:42.637 --> 01:04:43.914
Whatever these objects are,

1181
01:04:43.949 --> 01:04:45.743
they are clearly flying
free in space.

1182
01:04:45.778 --> 01:04:48.539
And we can say with certainty
that they are definitely

1183
01:04:48.574 --> 01:04:51.473
not any declared
satellites or known debris.

1184
01:04:51.508 --> 01:04:53.544
We don't know what they
are, where they came from,

1185
01:04:53.579 --> 01:04:55.063
how they got there,
where they're going,

1186
01:04:55.098 --> 01:04:56.202
or what they're doing there.

1187
01:04:56.237 --> 01:04:58.204
And that by definition puts them

1188
01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:00.448
into the category of being
unidentified.

1189
01:05:01.449 --> 01:05:05.832
- So if somebody's gonna
say UFOs are just our craft

1190
01:05:05.867 --> 01:05:10.251
from a very top secret
aerospace project,

1191
01:05:10.285 --> 01:05:14.945
and for example, some people
will say the Phoenix Lights,

1192
01:05:14.980 --> 01:05:18.776
that might have been what's
called a TR3B.

1193
01:05:18.811 --> 01:05:23.816
It's supposed to be this
massive black budget craft

1194
01:05:24.058 --> 01:05:29.063
that was a crew and
heavy equipment carrier

1195
01:05:30.443 --> 01:05:33.136
that would take stuff to
space in sort of

1196
01:05:33.170 --> 01:05:36.380
what people label a
secret space program.

1197
01:05:37.450 --> 01:05:38.969
What do you think about that?

1198
01:05:39.004 --> 01:05:39.832
- I don't believe it.

1199
01:05:39.866 --> 01:05:40.660
- You don't believe it?

1200
01:05:40.695 --> 01:05:42.041
- Nope, don't believe it.

1201
01:05:42.076 --> 01:05:44.078
- Would you say that
the Phoenix-

1202
01:05:44.112 --> 01:05:45.010
- I think that the
Phoenix Lights,

1203
01:05:45.044 --> 01:05:46.287
I mean that was like
two miles across

1204
01:05:46.321 --> 01:05:47.391
from the eyewitness testimony,

1205
01:05:47.426 --> 01:05:49.186
including the Governor
of Arizona.

1206
01:05:49.221 --> 01:05:52.258
And it could hover very,
very slowly.

1207
01:05:53.432 --> 01:05:55.710
And when it took off,
it took off

1208
01:05:55.744 --> 01:05:57.263
like at the speed of light.

1209
01:05:57.298 --> 01:05:58.506
I mean, it would change
its shape

1210
01:05:58.540 --> 01:06:00.542
a little bit and just gone.

1211
01:06:00.577 --> 01:06:03.166
And then you have the
telepathic aspect of it too,

1212
01:06:03.200 --> 01:06:05.064
from the witnesses that
I spoke to.

1213
01:06:05.099 --> 01:06:07.618
So, I'm not gonna sit there
and say that

1214
01:06:07.653 --> 01:06:09.206
I definitively can make
a statement

1215
01:06:09.241 --> 01:06:12.002
that there's no such thing
as a secret space program.

1216
01:06:12.037 --> 01:06:13.590
I just haven't seen the
evidence for it

1217
01:06:13.624 --> 01:06:16.006
and I haven't heard the
test testimony for it.

1218
01:06:16.041 --> 01:06:22.806
And I'm highly dubious,
even though here I am

1219
01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:25.050
putting out a film on a
UFO crash

1220
01:06:25.084 --> 01:06:26.913
with live aliens in the town,

1221
01:06:26.948 --> 01:06:31.953
but I haven't seen the evidence.

1222
01:06:32.781 --> 01:06:35.992
I mean, it makes sense
that there would be,

1223
01:06:36.026 --> 01:06:37.338
there are sightings here.

1224
01:06:37.372 --> 01:06:39.478
Why wouldn't there be
sightings out there?

1225
01:06:41.169 --> 01:06:42.895
It's not my area of expertise.

1226
01:06:42.929 --> 01:06:45.691
I don't dig into, I
look into the phenomenon

1227
01:06:45.725 --> 01:06:48.245
and if it leads me to
an astronaut, great.

1228
01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:51.938
And if not, you know,
so I just know

1229
01:06:51.973 --> 01:06:54.803
that what Fay Ann Potter told me

1230
01:06:55.770 --> 01:06:57.289
about her brother Buzz Aldrin,

1231
01:06:57.323 --> 01:06:59.843
that they saw something
on the way to the Moon.

1232
01:06:59.877 --> 01:07:03.605
[rhythmic suspenseful music]

1233
01:07:09.508 --> 01:07:14.064
[rhythmic suspenseful
music continues]

1234
01:07:21.106 --> 01:07:23.832
[dramatic music]

1235
01:07:34.188 --> 01:07:36.328
- [Narrator] The lunar
landing was on July 20th

1236
01:07:36.362 --> 01:07:37.881
of that same year.

1237
01:07:37.915 --> 01:07:40.504
And the following day,
two astronauts became

1238
01:07:40.539 --> 01:07:43.404
the first to walk on the
lunar surface.

1239
01:07:43.438 --> 01:07:47.028
[dramatic music continues]

1240
01:08:02.457 --> 01:08:05.564
- [Astronaut] Okay, engine
stop APA at a defense

1241
01:08:05.598 --> 01:08:09.050
or control both auto-dependent
command override off.

1242
01:08:09.085 --> 01:08:10.603
Engine arm off.

1243
01:08:10.638 --> 01:08:12.157
For 13 is in.

1244
01:08:13.537 --> 01:08:15.401
- [Astronaut] We copy it down,
Eagle.

1245
01:08:15.884 --> 01:08:17.196
Houston, uh...

1246
01:08:21.649 --> 01:08:24.824
- [Controller] Roger tranquility
we copy you on the ground.

1247
01:08:24.859 --> 01:08:26.723
You got a bunch of guys
about to turn blue,

1248
01:08:26.757 --> 01:08:28.552
we're breathing again,
thanks a lot.

1249
01:08:29.933 --> 01:08:32.246
- When we did get close
and we rolled out

1250
01:08:32.280 --> 01:08:36.077
and saw it for the first
time, it was a revelation.

1251
01:08:36.112 --> 01:08:40.046
It was gigantic, it
filled our entire window.

1252
01:08:42.911 --> 01:08:44.327
- Flying through the Moon shadow

1253
01:08:44.361 --> 01:08:48.883
and seeing the Sun eclipsed by
the Moon as we approached it,

1254
01:08:48.917 --> 01:08:50.609
that was a very
spectacular sight.

1255
01:08:51.713 --> 01:08:53.784
- [Narrator] Commander
Armstrong was the first human

1256
01:08:53.819 --> 01:08:56.649
to set foot on the surface
of the Earth's satellite

1257
01:08:56.684 --> 01:09:01.689
on July 21st, 1969 at 02:56
UTC, international time

1258
01:09:03.104 --> 01:09:05.417
south of the Sea of Tranquility,

1259
01:09:05.451 --> 01:09:08.420
six and a half hours
after landing on the Moon.

1260
01:09:08.454 --> 01:09:12.217
This historic milestone was
broadcast to the entire planet

1261
01:09:12.251 --> 01:09:15.081
from the Parks Observatory
in Australia.

1262
01:09:15.116 --> 01:09:17.256
- [Neil Armstrong] Here,
men from the planet Earth,

1263
01:09:17.291 --> 01:09:20.156
first step foot upon the moon,
July 1969.

1264
01:09:23.504 --> 01:09:26.265
We came in peace
for all mankind.

1265
01:09:27.232 --> 01:09:29.958
[dramatic music]

1266
01:09:36.655 --> 01:09:40.210
[dramatic music continues]

1267
01:09:46.112 --> 01:09:49.668
[dramatic music continues]

1268
01:09:55.260 --> 01:09:58.815
[dramatic music continues]

1269
01:10:04.648 --> 01:10:08.204
[dramatic music continues]

1270
01:10:14.589 --> 01:10:18.214
[dramatic music continues]

1271
01:10:21.147 --> 01:10:22.045
- [Astronaut] It's beautiful.

1272
01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:23.943
- [Astronaut] Isn't that
something?

1273
01:10:23.978 --> 01:10:28.051
Say here are you talking about
a mysterious looking place.

1274
01:10:28.085 --> 01:10:30.743
They can cut some fresh some
parts of those pictures up.

1275
01:10:30.778 --> 01:10:33.159
Make a nice photograph.

1276
01:10:33.194 --> 01:10:35.921
[dramatic music]

1277
01:10:41.651 --> 01:10:45.241
[dramatic music continues]

1278
01:10:51.523 --> 01:10:53.973
They can cut some fresh some
parts of those pictures up.

1279
01:10:54.008 --> 01:10:56.113
Make a nice photograph.

1280
01:10:56.148 --> 01:10:59.703
[dramatic music continues]

1281
01:11:07.539 --> 01:11:10.196
- There's this thing
that came out about 2014,

1282
01:11:10.231 --> 01:11:12.268
and it's an image that
was found on the internet

1283
01:11:12.302 --> 01:11:13.579
that had actually been posted

1284
01:11:13.614 --> 01:11:16.479
back in the early days
like 2002.

1285
01:11:16.513 --> 01:11:20.276
And it had a number
as1120pyramid20small2.jpg,

1286
01:11:23.451 --> 01:11:25.246
that was the name of the image.

1287
01:11:25.281 --> 01:11:27.938
And it showed what
clearly appears to be

1288
01:11:27.973 --> 01:11:30.286
an artificial structure on
the surface of the Moon,

1289
01:11:30.320 --> 01:11:32.909
but nobody really knew
where it came from.

1290
01:11:32.943 --> 01:11:36.706
The AS11 indicated that
it was an Apollo 11 shot,

1291
01:11:36.740 --> 01:11:39.225
and it took researchers
quite a while

1292
01:11:39.260 --> 01:11:40.779
to actually find the image.

1293
01:11:40.813 --> 01:11:45.680
And it turned out the
image was AS11-38-5564.

1294
01:11:45.715 --> 01:11:46.612
Now this is interesting,

1295
01:11:46.647 --> 01:11:48.752
because it was an image
that was taken,

1296
01:11:48.787 --> 01:11:51.065
it was a photograph that
was taken

1297
01:11:51.099 --> 01:11:52.929
by one of the Apollo 11
astronauts,

1298
01:11:52.963 --> 01:11:55.932
either Neil Armstrong, Buzz
Aldrin or Michael Collins

1299
01:11:55.966 --> 01:11:59.211
shooting out the window
of the command module

1300
01:11:59.245 --> 01:12:02.352
as they were flying over
the lunar surface

1301
01:12:02.387 --> 01:12:03.905
on trans Earth injection.

1302
01:12:03.940 --> 01:12:05.631
They had already fired
the engine,

1303
01:12:05.666 --> 01:12:06.805
they were heading towards Earth

1304
01:12:06.839 --> 01:12:08.600
and they were just
shooting the hell

1305
01:12:08.634 --> 01:12:10.671
out of the backside of the Moon.

1306
01:12:10.705 --> 01:12:12.983
Now, the interesting
thing about this is that

1307
01:12:13.018 --> 01:12:14.951
they took these pictures just,
again,

1308
01:12:14.985 --> 01:12:16.159
probably with a power winder,

1309
01:12:16.193 --> 01:12:17.402
one after the other,
after the other.

1310
01:12:17.436 --> 01:12:21.337
But the film was so good
that they could take

1311
01:12:22.614 --> 01:12:24.374
just lots and lots of
photographs.

1312
01:12:24.409 --> 01:12:29.379
This is the image as it
appeared in an a NASA archive.

1313
01:12:31.899 --> 01:12:35.247
And it's an image of a
crater called Daedalus.

1314
01:12:35.281 --> 01:12:38.526
Now, this thing is very, very
near the crater Daedalus,

1315
01:12:38.561 --> 01:12:40.804
it's actually Daedalus R,
I believe.

1316
01:12:40.839 --> 01:12:45.844
And Daedalus is dead center
on the back disc of the Moon.

1317
01:12:45.878 --> 01:12:48.225
In other words, it's the
exact antipode,

1318
01:12:48.260 --> 01:12:52.195
the other side of Sinus Medii
where we just saw The Castle.

1319
01:12:52.229 --> 01:12:54.611
So you might expect to
find something there.

1320
01:12:54.646 --> 01:12:57.580
I have a feeling this is why
they were photographing this.

1321
01:12:57.614 --> 01:13:00.583
So in that area, and again,

1322
01:13:00.617 --> 01:13:03.102
this is Sinus Medii with
the triangular crater,

1323
01:13:03.137 --> 01:13:04.759
pretty interesting stuff.

1324
01:13:04.794 --> 01:13:07.141
And then on the back
you have this Ziggurat.

1325
01:13:07.175 --> 01:13:09.039
So, as we looked at this thing,

1326
01:13:10.765 --> 01:13:13.216
it began to look more
and more like something

1327
01:13:13.250 --> 01:13:16.184
that was completely artificial
and did not belong there.

1328
01:13:16.219 --> 01:13:19.878
And again, I went through
it, did some enhancement,

1329
01:13:21.224 --> 01:13:22.536
tried to get more detail out.

1330
01:13:22.570 --> 01:13:24.641
And what you see,
or at least what I saw

1331
01:13:24.676 --> 01:13:27.610
is these four walls,
this wall structure,

1332
01:13:28.956 --> 01:13:32.235
sort of a weird angled
front end to it.

1333
01:13:32.269 --> 01:13:33.995
Kind of there's a triangle
shape there,

1334
01:13:34.030 --> 01:13:38.448
and then there's like a
central box with maybe windows.

1335
01:13:38.483 --> 01:13:40.588
There's a passageway to
actually enter it

1336
01:13:40.623 --> 01:13:42.625
and like a little dome on top.

1337
01:13:42.659 --> 01:13:43.833
Pretty bizarre stuff.

1338
01:13:43.867 --> 01:13:46.249
Well, somebody pointed
out this looks a lot like

1339
01:13:46.283 --> 01:13:51.288
the Ziggurat at Ur in
Mesopotamia or modern day Iraq.

1340
01:13:51.496 --> 01:13:53.359
And yeah, here's this
basic structure.

1341
01:13:53.394 --> 01:13:56.777
Here's these entrances,
these walkways,

1342
01:13:56.811 --> 01:13:58.537
this is what it looked like
when they first found it

1343
01:13:58.572 --> 01:14:02.472
in the 1930s and it's
now been re-excavated.

1344
01:14:02.507 --> 01:14:04.336
And this is what the original
structure looked like.

1345
01:14:04.370 --> 01:14:05.613
You have exterior walls,

1346
01:14:05.648 --> 01:14:07.995
you have an interior
square structure,

1347
01:14:08.029 --> 01:14:09.686
you have a single
entranceway,

1348
01:14:09.721 --> 01:14:12.240
which is how they were
set up for defense.

1349
01:14:12.275 --> 01:14:15.934
And then you have these
ramps leading up to it.

1350
01:14:15.968 --> 01:14:18.143
Now, if you were to take
these ramps

1351
01:14:19.178 --> 01:14:22.147
and like fill them in,
again, here's a little dome.

1352
01:14:22.181 --> 01:14:25.081
So, a little dome right here
on top of the structure.

1353
01:14:25.115 --> 01:14:27.463
So, it looks basically like this

1354
01:14:27.497 --> 01:14:29.188
Like there's an
exterior structure

1355
01:14:29.223 --> 01:14:32.468
and an interior structure
like a Ziggurat.

1356
01:14:32.502 --> 01:14:34.055
And again, I'm gonna remind you,
okay,

1357
01:14:34.090 --> 01:14:36.333
here's a dome, here's a
little dome,

1358
01:14:36.368 --> 01:14:37.887
here's an interior
square structure,

1359
01:14:37.921 --> 01:14:39.613
here's the interior square
structure,

1360
01:14:39.647 --> 01:14:42.098
here's the exterior walls,
there they are.

1361
01:14:42.132 --> 01:14:45.239
And then here's, if you
took this area

1362
01:14:45.273 --> 01:14:48.173
and filled it in,
it would look with dirt,

1363
01:14:48.207 --> 01:14:51.590
it would look probably
just like this thing does.

1364
01:14:51.625 --> 01:14:56.250
The problem is when
you go to AS11-38-5564,

1365
01:14:58.424 --> 01:15:00.219
it doesn't really look
quite the same.

1366
01:15:00.254 --> 01:15:03.533
So we finally found the object
near the crater Daedalus R.

1367
01:15:03.568 --> 01:15:05.362
This is the area involved.

1368
01:15:05.397 --> 01:15:07.917
This is the original image
that was found

1369
01:15:07.951 --> 01:15:10.195
by a guy named KK Samurai,
by the way.

1370
01:15:10.229 --> 01:15:11.748
That was what he called himself.

1371
01:15:11.783 --> 01:15:14.440
He's the one who found that
he was given this image

1372
01:15:14.475 --> 01:15:17.236
by a very interesting character.

1373
01:15:17.271 --> 01:15:21.068
So here is the Daedalus
Ziggurat, on today's image.

1374
01:15:21.102 --> 01:15:22.725
It's gone, right? Where is it?

1375
01:15:22.759 --> 01:15:25.106
Well, it's actually
supposed to be right here,

1376
01:15:25.141 --> 01:15:26.107
right here in the middle.

1377
01:15:26.142 --> 01:15:28.109
But there's the front ramps,
there's the,

1378
01:15:28.144 --> 01:15:29.317
but it's all gone.

1379
01:15:29.352 --> 01:15:32.700
It's just blank, it's
nothing but a crater.

1380
01:15:33.425 --> 01:15:36.566
And again, I did the best
I could with it,

1381
01:15:36.601 --> 01:15:38.464
with what they have on
NASA's surface now.

1382
01:15:38.499 --> 01:15:41.364
It doesn't look like
really anything.

1383
01:15:41.398 --> 01:15:43.297
They've blurred it out.
They've... [inaudible]

1384
01:15:45.264 --> 01:15:46.196
They've added shadows.

1385
01:15:46.231 --> 01:15:47.439
And again, I'm gonna
tell you again,

1386
01:15:47.473 --> 01:15:50.028
I went and analyzed the
interior of this crater

1387
01:15:50.062 --> 01:15:51.685
and this area here.

1388
01:15:51.719 --> 01:15:55.412
And again, it's one color,
pitch black,

1389
01:15:55.447 --> 01:15:56.482
over the entire thing.

1390
01:15:56.517 --> 01:15:59.865
That means they drew on
this, they drew on this.

1391
01:15:59.900 --> 01:16:03.006
If they drew on this, they
drew on other parts of it too.

1392
01:16:03.041 --> 01:16:07.183
So, again, from a
distance, as you step back,

1393
01:16:07.217 --> 01:16:09.392
it kind of looks like the
same thing,

1394
01:16:09.426 --> 01:16:11.774
but it actually really doesn't.

1395
01:16:11.808 --> 01:16:13.879
They're trying to convince
you this is nothing,

1396
01:16:13.914 --> 01:16:15.156
but an optical illusion.

1397
01:16:16.364 --> 01:16:19.851
Now, I got into very
strong conflict

1398
01:16:19.885 --> 01:16:21.507
with a couple of NASA guys
over there.

1399
01:16:21.542 --> 01:16:23.475
They're like, oh, it's
obviously nothing.

1400
01:16:23.509 --> 01:16:26.685
You know, you can't,
yeah, you're crazy.

1401
01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:28.929
You don't know what
you're looking at.

1402
01:16:28.963 --> 01:16:31.000
But clearly what's happened
here is that

1403
01:16:31.034 --> 01:16:34.003
the original image from
which KK Samurai

1404
01:16:34.037 --> 01:16:37.385
drew his conclusions
and his version

1405
01:16:37.420 --> 01:16:40.561
is completely different
than 5564.

1406
01:16:40.596 --> 01:16:44.323
The problem is, is we didn't
know at the time originally

1407
01:16:44.358 --> 01:16:48.707
where he got this
interesting version.

1408
01:16:48.742 --> 01:16:51.468
Where did he get it
from, and what was on it?

1409
01:16:51.503 --> 01:16:53.609
But here's the thing,
this is supposed to be

1410
01:16:53.643 --> 01:16:54.955
the Ziggurat right here.

1411
01:16:54.989 --> 01:16:59.269
But as I looked at this
image, I found that there was,

1412
01:16:59.304 --> 01:17:00.995
even though they had
erased the Ziggurat,

1413
01:17:01.030 --> 01:17:02.583
there was a lot of other
interesting stuff

1414
01:17:02.618 --> 01:17:03.653
on here they didn't erase.

1415
01:17:03.688 --> 01:17:05.379
A lot of interesting stuff.

1416
01:17:06.242 --> 01:17:07.864
These are some of the
areas that are marked

1417
01:17:07.899 --> 01:17:09.970
as we go through them
real quickly.

1418
01:17:10.004 --> 01:17:13.663
There's this particular,
um, guy,

1419
01:17:13.698 --> 01:17:15.354
which is just a sort of
a normal crater.

1420
01:17:15.389 --> 01:17:17.529
But then what is this
thing up above here?

1421
01:17:17.563 --> 01:17:19.565
What is this one up here?

1422
01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:23.190
Number five, up in the
corner of the image.

1423
01:17:23.224 --> 01:17:25.054
And as we zoom up on that,

1424
01:17:25.088 --> 01:17:28.333
I see stuff that with my
trained eye

1425
01:17:28.367 --> 01:17:29.679
looks really, really weird.

1426
01:17:29.714 --> 01:17:30.991
This is the area where they have

1427
01:17:31.025 --> 01:17:33.579
blacked out the sky behind this.

1428
01:17:33.614 --> 01:17:34.684
Well, what is this thing?

1429
01:17:34.719 --> 01:17:38.792
Well, if you look at
it, it's pretty bizarre,

1430
01:17:38.826 --> 01:17:42.830
because what you've got
here is this is a hangar

1431
01:17:44.004 --> 01:17:46.627
cut into the side of
this mountain.

1432
01:17:47.524 --> 01:17:50.010
It's filled in with debris
in the front.

1433
01:17:50.044 --> 01:17:51.218
And that would be the
other side.

1434
01:17:51.252 --> 01:17:52.944
You're looking at it at an angle

1435
01:17:52.978 --> 01:17:57.051
and then this is some sort
of disc shape

1436
01:17:57.086 --> 01:17:59.433
with something else going on.

1437
01:17:59.467 --> 01:18:02.470
Like what the hell are
these things?

1438
01:18:02.505 --> 01:18:07.510
See, stone, spire, stone,
spire, stone, what are they?

1439
01:18:07.786 --> 01:18:09.546
But it's right there and
they're all in the same area.

1440
01:18:09.581 --> 01:18:12.929
Because if you have one anomaly,
no matter how clear it is,

1441
01:18:12.964 --> 01:18:15.207
if there's nothing else
around it,

1442
01:18:15.242 --> 01:18:16.726
you can't really say
it's something.

1443
01:18:16.761 --> 01:18:20.005
It could just be, again, a
really bizarre looking artifact.

1444
01:18:20.040 --> 01:18:24.561
So let's go back and
look, this is another,

1445
01:18:24.596 --> 01:18:26.771
there's like a tube that
you can follow

1446
01:18:26.805 --> 01:18:29.877
that runs for miles and
miles along the surface

1447
01:18:29.912 --> 01:18:33.122
and then seems to attach
itself like a drill

1448
01:18:33.156 --> 01:18:36.297
underneath this overhanging
ridge.

1449
01:18:36.332 --> 01:18:37.471
This thing is hanging there.

1450
01:18:37.505 --> 01:18:38.714
There's all kinds of structure.

1451
01:18:38.748 --> 01:18:39.853
It's just bizarre.

1452
01:18:41.786 --> 01:18:44.271
- People who come here
to this museum

1453
01:18:44.305 --> 01:18:48.724
and look at our spacecraft,
Columbia,

1454
01:18:48.758 --> 01:18:51.761
are most often struck by
its small size,

1455
01:18:51.796 --> 01:18:54.695
which from their perspective
is understandable.

1456
01:18:55.972 --> 01:18:58.630
From our point of view,
the command module

1457
01:18:58.664 --> 01:19:03.083
was a wonderful improvement
over our previous spacecraft,

1458
01:19:03.117 --> 01:19:05.050
which were really cramped.

1459
01:19:05.085 --> 01:19:09.192
And so, we enjoyed the luxury
of a big volume machine.

1460
01:19:09.227 --> 01:19:12.092
- Yeah, I thought we had
amazingly good accommodations.

1461
01:19:12.126 --> 01:19:13.610
We had hot and cold water.

1462
01:19:13.645 --> 01:19:15.578
The food was even edible.

1463
01:19:15.612 --> 01:19:20.617
All in all, it was a nicely
packaged, small enclosure,

1464
01:19:22.688 --> 01:19:24.967
and we could comfortably
have stayed there

1465
01:19:25.001 --> 01:19:27.383
far in excessive eight days.

1466
01:19:27.417 --> 01:19:29.730
- [Narrator] On July
24th, the three astronauts

1467
01:19:29.765 --> 01:19:32.526
achieved a perfect
splash down in the waters

1468
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:34.873
of the Pacific Ocean
ending the mission.

1469
01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:39.705
[inspirational music]

1470
01:19:39.740 --> 01:19:43.261
- Well, it proved that
the United States

1471
01:19:43.295 --> 01:19:46.540
could accomplish
tremendous goals

1472
01:19:46.574 --> 01:19:48.714
if they worked together
as a team.

1473
01:19:49.715 --> 01:19:52.339
- After the flight of Apollo 11,

1474
01:19:52.373 --> 01:19:54.824
Neil Armstrong, Buzz Alder and I

1475
01:19:54.859 --> 01:19:57.275
had an around the world tour.

1476
01:19:57.309 --> 01:20:00.519
And every place we went,
I thought they'd

1477
01:20:01.658 --> 01:20:03.591
in some places have the
attitude of,

1478
01:20:03.626 --> 01:20:06.077
oh, well you Americans
finally did this.

1479
01:20:06.111 --> 01:20:09.839
Not at all, the attitude,
every country,

1480
01:20:09.874 --> 01:20:12.877
regardless of their
internal politics,

1481
01:20:12.911 --> 01:20:15.638
they all said, we did it,
we humans.

1482
01:20:21.195 --> 01:20:24.371
[audience applauding]

1483
01:20:30.342 --> 01:20:34.346
[audience applauding continues]

1484
01:20:37.177 --> 01:20:38.695
- It was our pleasure to have

1485
01:20:38.730 --> 01:20:41.664
participated in one
great adventure.

1486
01:20:43.666 --> 01:20:45.047
It's an adventure
that took place

1487
01:20:45.081 --> 01:20:47.635
not just in the month of July,

1488
01:20:48.636 --> 01:20:51.674
but rather one that took
place in the last decade.

1489
01:20:56.299 --> 01:21:00.821
We all here and the
people listening in today

1490
01:21:00.856 --> 01:21:03.893
had the opportunity to
share that adventure

1491
01:21:03.928 --> 01:21:06.102
over its developing
and unfolding

1492
01:21:07.863 --> 01:21:09.934
in the past months and years.

1493
01:21:11.901 --> 01:21:16.009
It's our privilege today
to share with you

1494
01:21:17.424 --> 01:21:22.429
some of the details of
that final month of July.

1495
01:21:25.294 --> 01:21:29.781
That was certainly the highlight

1496
01:21:29.815 --> 01:21:33.578
for the three of us of
that decade.

1497
01:21:35.028 --> 01:21:37.064
We're going to divert
a little bit

1498
01:21:37.099 --> 01:21:41.689
from the format of past
press conferences

1499
01:21:42.656 --> 01:21:47.661
and talk about the things
that interested us most.

1500
01:21:48.696 --> 01:21:53.356
In particular, the things
that occurred

1501
01:21:54.426 --> 01:21:56.152
on and about the Moon.

1502
01:21:56.187 --> 01:21:58.361
- [Reporter] Apollo 11
astronaut, Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin,

1503
01:21:58.396 --> 01:22:00.191
the second man to walk
on the Moon,

1504
01:22:00.225 --> 01:22:02.745
has actually given an
interview where he confirmed

1505
01:22:02.779 --> 01:22:04.712
that certain segments
of his Apollo mission

1506
01:22:04.747 --> 01:22:06.266
were indeed carefully scripted

1507
01:22:06.300 --> 01:22:09.441
to control exactly what
the public saw and heard.

1508
01:22:09.476 --> 01:22:11.788
Back in 2003, Aldrin was
interviewed

1509
01:22:11.823 --> 01:22:14.619
for Neil Armstrong's only
authorized biography.

1510
01:22:14.653 --> 01:22:16.862
And during that interview,
he was asked about

1511
01:22:16.897 --> 01:22:19.003
whether some of the live
television transmissions

1512
01:22:19.037 --> 01:22:21.143
that were made from the
CSM during the flight

1513
01:22:21.177 --> 01:22:23.628
really were improvised
and unscripted.

1514
01:22:23.662 --> 01:22:26.355
And in response, Aldrin
first admits that NASA

1515
01:22:26.389 --> 01:22:29.047
quote went to great lengths
unquote

1516
01:22:29.082 --> 01:22:31.498
to make sure that they
appeared unscripted.

1517
01:22:31.532 --> 01:22:33.362
And he then goes on to
say the following,

1518
01:22:33.396 --> 01:22:35.191
and I'll quote Aldrin
directly here.

1519
01:22:48.756 --> 01:22:53.727
- We will use a number
of films and slides,

1520
01:22:55.591 --> 01:22:58.076
which most of you have
already seen,

1521
01:22:59.836 --> 01:23:04.186
and with the intent of
pointing out

1522
01:23:04.220 --> 01:23:07.361
some of the things that
we observed on the spot,

1523
01:23:07.396 --> 01:23:11.503
which may not be
obvious to those of you

1524
01:23:11.538 --> 01:23:17.544
who are looking at them here
from the surface of Earth.

1525
01:23:18.027 --> 01:23:20.788
- [Narrator] This motion
picture DAC footage

1526
01:23:20.823 --> 01:23:24.723
was recorded during the Apollo
11 ascent back into orbit

1527
01:23:24.758 --> 01:23:28.003
and famously presents an orb-lik

1528
01:23:28.037 --> 01:23:30.108
flying along the lunar horizon.

1529
01:23:33.387 --> 01:23:36.011
[ominous music]

1530
01:23:42.017 --> 01:23:46.193
- What's very interesting about
the Apollo 11 manned mission

1531
01:23:46.228 --> 01:23:51.233
is that this mission also would
be very rife with rumors of

1532
01:23:52.096 --> 01:23:57.066
anomalous or UFO activity
out there on the Moon.

1533
01:23:57.653 --> 01:24:00.138
In fact, one of the rumors
that's quite prevalent

1534
01:24:00.173 --> 01:24:03.797
is that a craft was waiting.

1535
01:24:03.831 --> 01:24:07.525
A non-terrestrial craft was
waiting on the lunar surface

1536
01:24:07.559 --> 01:24:09.665
for the Apollo 11 astronauts

1537
01:24:09.699 --> 01:24:12.771
when they did their first
Moon walks.

1538
01:24:12.806 --> 01:24:17.155
Another rumor that actually
came from Buzz Aldrin,

1539
01:24:17.190 --> 01:24:19.399
the Apollo 11 astronaut himself,

1540
01:24:19.433 --> 01:24:24.404
was that a UFO was following
the Apollo spacecraft

1541
01:24:24.852 --> 01:24:29.236
on the way to the Moon in
the middle of cislunar space.

1542
01:24:29.271 --> 01:24:31.928
And the astronauts had
tracked it

1543
01:24:31.963 --> 01:24:34.828
while they were floating
through space.

1544
01:24:34.862 --> 01:24:37.520
[ominous music]

1545
01:24:44.044 --> 01:24:48.324
[ominous music continues]

1546
01:24:55.020 --> 01:24:58.645
- Buzz Aldrin could have been
one of these important figures

1547
01:24:58.679 --> 01:25:02.097
that actually proved there
is UFO activity

1548
01:25:02.131 --> 01:25:04.029
happening in outer space.

1549
01:25:04.858 --> 01:25:07.999
But unfortunately, he
became very contradictory

1550
01:25:08.033 --> 01:25:11.416
on his initial story in
mainstream media.

1551
01:25:14.178 --> 01:25:19.183
- There was something out
there that was close enough

1552
01:25:19.907 --> 01:25:23.635
to be observed and, uh,
what could it be?

1553
01:25:27.846 --> 01:25:31.402
Mike decided he thought he
could see it in the telescope

1554
01:25:31.436 --> 01:25:33.024
and he was able to do that.

1555
01:25:33.058 --> 01:25:35.613
And when it was in one position

1556
01:25:35.647 --> 01:25:37.925
that had a series of ellipses,

1557
01:25:37.960 --> 01:25:39.479
but when you made it real sharp,

1558
01:25:39.513 --> 01:25:42.896
it was sort of L-shaped that
didn't tell us very much.

1559
01:25:42.930 --> 01:25:47.901
Now obviously, the three of
us were not gonna blurt out,

1560
01:25:47.935 --> 01:25:51.042
Hey Houston, we got something
moving alongside of us

1561
01:25:51.076 --> 01:25:52.768
and we don't know what it is.

1562
01:25:52.802 --> 01:25:54.218
Can you tell us what it is?

1563
01:25:54.252 --> 01:25:56.081
We weren't about to do that,

1564
01:25:56.944 --> 01:25:59.637
'cause we know that
those transmissions

1565
01:25:59.671 --> 01:26:01.363
would be heard by all
sorts of people

1566
01:26:01.397 --> 01:26:04.366
and who knows what
somebody would've demanded

1567
01:26:04.400 --> 01:26:07.300
that we turned back
because of aliens

1568
01:26:07.334 --> 01:26:09.750
or whatever the reason is.

1569
01:26:09.785 --> 01:26:13.892
So, we didn't do that,
but we did decide,

1570
01:26:13.927 --> 01:26:18.518
we just cautiously ask
Houston where,

1571
01:26:18.552 --> 01:26:21.037
how far away was the S4B.

1572
01:26:21.072 --> 01:26:23.971
And a few moments later
why they came back

1573
01:26:24.006 --> 01:26:27.768
and said something like,
it was 6,000 miles away,

1574
01:26:27.803 --> 01:26:29.322
because of the maneuver.

1575
01:26:29.356 --> 01:26:31.565
So, we really didn't think
we were

1576
01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:34.603
looking at something
that far away.

1577
01:26:34.637 --> 01:26:38.296
So, we decided that after
a while of watching it,

1578
01:26:38.331 --> 01:26:41.437
it was time to go to sleep and
not to talk about it anymore

1579
01:26:41.472 --> 01:26:44.233
until we came back
in debriefing.

1580
01:26:44.268 --> 01:26:47.409
I saw this illumination that
was moving

1581
01:26:47.443 --> 01:26:49.859
with respect to the stars.

1582
01:26:49.894 --> 01:26:52.690
We were smart enough to not say,

1583
01:26:52.724 --> 01:26:55.693
Houston, there's a light out
there that's following us.

1584
01:26:56.728 --> 01:27:01.595
So, technically becomes an
unidentified flying object.

1585
01:27:01.630 --> 01:27:02.458
[Echo] Flying object.

1586
01:27:04.357 --> 01:27:05.185
[indistinct]

1587
01:27:05.220 --> 01:27:07.083
- All I can think about.

1588
01:27:07.118 --> 01:27:13.089
But in any case, I was on
set and I was just a gopher

1589
01:27:13.124 --> 01:27:15.575
and I turned out I got
a little role,

1590
01:27:15.609 --> 01:27:18.854
but Mickey Rooney was like,
"Oh, what are you doing

1591
01:27:18.888 --> 01:27:20.614
when you're not here
helping us out?"

1592
01:27:20.649 --> 01:27:23.548
And I said, "I'm making a
UFO film."

1593
01:27:23.583 --> 01:27:26.448
He goes, "Oh, I'm friends
with Buzz Aldrin

1594
01:27:26.482 --> 01:27:28.795
and you should talk
to him sometime.

1595
01:27:28.829 --> 01:27:31.315
He's got some pretty
interesting stories."

1596
01:27:31.349 --> 01:27:35.353
And so, that was my initial
in with Buzz Aldrin.

1597
01:27:36.043 --> 01:27:36.768
Um,

1598
01:27:37.838 --> 01:27:43.465
And then I would say
probably three years later

1599
01:27:44.707 --> 01:27:49.781
I met Fay Ann Potter,
Buzz Aldrin's sister.

1600
01:27:49.816 --> 01:27:51.818
So I'm talking to Fay
Ann Potter and I said,

1601
01:27:51.852 --> 01:27:56.926
I found out it was her
brother was Buzz Aldrin.

1602
01:27:56.961 --> 01:28:01.103
And I'm like, I worked
on this movie set

1603
01:28:01.137 --> 01:28:03.312
and I found out through
Mickey Rooney

1604
01:28:03.347 --> 01:28:05.556
that your brother had
a sighting, some...

1605
01:28:05.590 --> 01:28:07.937
but I didn't get any specifics.

1606
01:28:07.972 --> 01:28:12.977
She said, oh yeah, he had
two encounters with UFOs

1607
01:28:13.011 --> 01:28:14.703
and one was when
he was piloting,

1608
01:28:14.737 --> 01:28:15.807
this is what she told me,

1609
01:28:15.842 --> 01:28:18.983
this is what Buzz Aldrin's
sister told me, okay?

1610
01:28:20.329 --> 01:28:23.815
She said that he had, and I
don't know what year it was,

1611
01:28:23.850 --> 01:28:26.024
but I think it was before
he went to the Moon.

1612
01:28:26.059 --> 01:28:31.064
He was flying a fighter
jet and he chased a disc.

1613
01:28:31.582 --> 01:28:36.311
And she said that he was
so moved by the experience

1614
01:28:36.345 --> 01:28:38.899
that he called her and he
was still shaking from it.

1615
01:28:38.934 --> 01:28:41.419
He said he chased it till
he couldn't go any higher,

1616
01:28:41.454 --> 01:28:42.903
didn't catch it.

1617
01:28:43.801 --> 01:28:44.940
That's what she told me.

1618
01:28:44.974 --> 01:28:48.323
Then she said he also told her

1619
01:28:48.357 --> 01:28:50.152
that they...

1620
01:28:51.464 --> 01:28:52.568
saw something,

1621
01:28:52.603 --> 01:28:55.295
or something followed
them to the Moon.

1622
01:28:55.330 --> 01:28:56.814
But it was like not just
a quick sighting.

1623
01:28:56.848 --> 01:28:58.988
I think it went on for
like a day or two.

1624
01:28:59.023 --> 01:29:00.231
That's what she told me.

1625
01:29:01.405 --> 01:29:05.995
So, between Fay Ann
Potter and Mickey Rooney

1626
01:29:07.618 --> 01:29:09.827
and his wife, Jan Rooney,

1627
01:29:10.759 --> 01:29:11.932
they said,

1628
01:29:11.967 --> 01:29:14.038
we think we can get you an
interview with Buzz Aldrin.

1629
01:29:14.797 --> 01:29:18.732
So, they got my foot in the
door, they contacted him.

1630
01:29:18.767 --> 01:29:20.665
Good kid, he's doing
this documentary

1631
01:29:20.700 --> 01:29:23.703
and Buzz Aldrin agrees
to meet with me.

1632
01:29:23.737 --> 01:29:25.498
- He's in Europe.

1633
01:29:25.532 --> 01:29:26.740
- That's the problem.

1634
01:29:26.775 --> 01:29:30.192
He was in France on tour for
some book that he was doing.

1635
01:29:31.158 --> 01:29:34.092
Yes, I'll meet with James,
but I'm on this book tour

1636
01:29:34.127 --> 01:29:36.543
and I'm gonna be in Monte
Carlo on these dates.

1637
01:29:36.578 --> 01:29:38.683
If he wants to meet me
in Monte Carlo

1638
01:29:38.718 --> 01:29:40.892
I'll meet with him and
do an interview.

1639
01:29:41.203 --> 01:29:43.170
So of course, I'm gonna do that.

1640
01:29:43.205 --> 01:29:45.138
And I've got Buzz Aldrin,
I think I've borrowed money

1641
01:29:45.172 --> 01:29:46.484
from somebody,
I can't remember who.

1642
01:29:46.519 --> 01:29:51.765
And we get to his hotel and
the concierge comes and says,

1643
01:29:52.179 --> 01:29:56.011
Mr. Fox? say, Yes?
You have a telephone call.

1644
01:29:56.045 --> 01:29:57.564
And I, okay.

1645
01:29:57.599 --> 01:30:01.913
And he gives me the phone
and it's Buzz Aldrin,

1646
01:30:03.156 --> 01:30:04.399
I can't do the interview.

1647
01:30:05.538 --> 01:30:07.885
I said, it's like, what do
you mean

1648
01:30:07.919 --> 01:30:08.713
you can't do the interview?

1649
01:30:08.748 --> 01:30:09.507
I traveled all this way.

1650
01:30:09.542 --> 01:30:11.371
He said, I can't do it.

1651
01:30:11.406 --> 01:30:15.168
He said, it was Paul Allen.

1652
01:30:15.513 --> 01:30:16.238
- [Darcy Weir] Paul Allen?

1653
01:30:16.272 --> 01:30:17.929
- It was Paul Allen.

1654
01:30:17.964 --> 01:30:20.622
He said, Paul Allen
just invested in SETI

1655
01:30:21.139 --> 01:30:23.935
and he was labeled a UFO
quack, something like that.

1656
01:30:23.970 --> 01:30:25.558
- And he didn't wanna
be labeled.

1657
01:30:25.592 --> 01:30:27.767
- And he said, I'm trying
to get money from Congress

1658
01:30:27.801 --> 01:30:30.079
to develop a rocket that'll
put citizens in space

1659
01:30:30.114 --> 01:30:32.875
and I will not jeopardize
that initiative.

1660
01:30:32.910 --> 01:30:35.775
And how's my coming forward
gonna change anything anyway.

1661
01:30:36.879 --> 01:30:40.296
And I responded how I felt
and I said,

1662
01:30:40.331 --> 01:30:42.298
well, with all due respect, sir,

1663
01:30:42.333 --> 01:30:43.748
it takes people of your stature

1664
01:30:43.783 --> 01:30:46.510
to elevate this whole,
you know, phenomenon

1665
01:30:46.544 --> 01:30:48.132
out of the rut that it's in.

1666
01:30:48.166 --> 01:30:50.686
And your contribution,
your testimony,

1667
01:30:50.721 --> 01:30:52.516
would be of the utmost
significance.

1668
01:30:52.826 --> 01:30:55.519
You know?
He said, well, I'm not doing it.

1669
01:30:55.553 --> 01:30:58.176
And he was almost kind
of angry or something

1670
01:30:58.211 --> 01:31:00.420
like, well, I did
something wrong, you know?

1671
01:31:00.593 --> 01:31:01.386
And, um,

1672
01:31:02.491 --> 01:31:03.734
But he said, how's my story
gonna change anything?

1673
01:31:03.768 --> 01:31:05.011
He didn't deny it at all.

1674
01:31:05.045 --> 01:31:06.909
And he was gonna go on
camera and tell me about it.

1675
01:31:08.635 --> 01:31:11.500
- 12 men have ever
walked on the Moon.

1676
01:31:11.535 --> 01:31:14.538
And the man who
did it the second time

1677
01:31:14.572 --> 01:31:16.298
anyone walked on the Moon
was Buzz Aldrin.

1678
01:31:16.332 --> 01:31:18.749
He was part of the first
mission that got there,

1679
01:31:18.783 --> 01:31:20.647
The national astronaut
on Apollo 11.

1680
01:31:20.682 --> 01:31:22.925
He's here with a model
of Apollo 11.

1681
01:31:22.960 --> 01:31:25.928
He was with the first pair
with Neil Armstrong, of course.

1682
01:31:25.963 --> 01:31:27.551
And Buzz, the panel
remains so that

1683
01:31:27.585 --> 01:31:29.138
they might wanna pop
something at him.

1684
01:31:29.173 --> 01:31:31.831
But Buzz, what's your
connection with this program?

1685
01:31:31.865 --> 01:31:32.866
What did you see?

1686
01:31:33.798 --> 01:31:34.868
- What did I see?

1687
01:31:36.456 --> 01:31:41.461
Well, the first day out,
maybe six hours after launch,

1688
01:31:43.946 --> 01:31:46.017
we were scheduled to make
a mid-course correction.

1689
01:31:46.052 --> 01:31:48.848
I'd like to show you a
few things in this rocket

1690
01:31:48.882 --> 01:31:51.540
just to point out the
condition that we were in.

1691
01:31:51.575 --> 01:31:56.683
We separate the command
and service module

1692
01:31:56.718 --> 01:31:59.065
and it turns around like this

1693
01:31:59.099 --> 01:32:00.963
and it docks with the
lunar module.

1694
01:32:00.998 --> 01:32:04.519
Now, notice these three
and four panels,

1695
01:32:05.589 --> 01:32:08.661
whenever the command module
separates and turns around,

1696
01:32:08.695 --> 01:32:12.561
those panels go off in
four different directions.

1697
01:32:12.596 --> 01:32:14.563
And we can look out
these windows

1698
01:32:14.598 --> 01:32:17.324
and see the Earth drift by
and see the Moon drift by.

1699
01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:18.153
- [Larry King] And what
did you see?

1700
01:32:18.187 --> 01:32:19.810
- And I saw a light out there.

1701
01:32:19.844 --> 01:32:22.571
Okay, this is after we
had witnessed

1702
01:32:22.606 --> 01:32:25.643
the upper stage rocket
next to us

1703
01:32:25.678 --> 01:32:29.095
make an evasive maneuver
to miss the Moon.

1704
01:32:29.129 --> 01:32:30.890
And we thought,
wonder what that is?

1705
01:32:30.924 --> 01:32:32.374
You know, there are a
lot of lights out there

1706
01:32:32.408 --> 01:32:34.583
when you're not looking in
the direction of the Sun.

1707
01:32:34.618 --> 01:32:37.448
There are a lot of stars
and they're all fixed

1708
01:32:37.482 --> 01:32:38.587
relative to each other.

1709
01:32:38.622 --> 01:32:41.486
Now, one of 'em starts
moving or it's moving

1710
01:32:41.521 --> 01:32:44.869
and we know that that's another
object, it's not a star.

1711
01:32:44.904 --> 01:32:47.182
We started thinking a
little bit more

1712
01:32:47.216 --> 01:32:50.461
about these four panels
and I'd seen a graph

1713
01:32:50.495 --> 01:32:52.912
where it showed the
separation distance

1714
01:32:52.946 --> 01:32:55.466
that was calculated
before liftoff,

1715
01:32:55.500 --> 01:32:57.123
before the whole mission went

1716
01:32:57.157 --> 01:32:59.953
of where these panels would be

1717
01:33:01.161 --> 01:33:03.405
in case the spacecraft
made some maneuver

1718
01:33:03.439 --> 01:33:05.510
and they guaranteed
there'd be no.

1719
01:33:05.545 --> 01:33:07.512
- Hold it right there,
you got me hooked.

1720
01:33:07.547 --> 01:33:08.755
- Fast forward...

1721
01:33:09.031 --> 01:33:10.239
- many years later,
- Oh yeah, oh yeah,

1722
01:33:10.274 --> 01:33:12.345
- Oh my God.
- you were on CNN.

1723
01:33:12.379 --> 01:33:13.588
- So I had no idea.

1724
01:33:14.416 --> 01:33:17.143
I get- I had broken a story
with Fife Symington

1725
01:33:17.177 --> 01:33:20.353
who was the former
Governor of Arizona, okay?

1726
01:33:20.629 --> 01:33:21.941
- And-
- The Phoenix Lights.

1727
01:33:21.975 --> 01:33:24.702
- The Phoenix Lights
case that he had not only

1728
01:33:24.737 --> 01:33:27.532
that he'd seen it, he did
actually investigate it

1729
01:33:27.567 --> 01:33:29.327
and that he felt
it was otherworld.

1730
01:33:29.362 --> 01:33:30.535
It was a big story.

1731
01:33:30.570 --> 01:33:35.575
And I was all over the news
and we got invited on CNN.

1732
01:33:37.094 --> 01:33:39.614
I think it was the 60th
anniversary of Roswell,

1733
01:33:39.648 --> 01:33:40.580
but I'm not positive.

1734
01:33:40.615 --> 01:33:41.408
- Larry King Live.

1735
01:33:41.443 --> 01:33:42.686
- Yeah, Larry King Live.

1736
01:33:42.720 --> 01:33:45.412
And I see Buzz Aldrin
in the green room,

1737
01:33:45.447 --> 01:33:47.311
and I walked outta
the green room

1738
01:33:47.345 --> 01:33:48.864
and I turned over to
Fife Symington,

1739
01:33:48.899 --> 01:33:49.934
the former Governor of Arizona.

1740
01:33:49.969 --> 01:33:52.696
And I said, man,
I can't wait to go.

1741
01:33:52.730 --> 01:33:54.421
This is the first time
I've seen him

1742
01:33:54.456 --> 01:33:56.872
since he canceled this interview
with me 10 years earlier,

1743
01:33:56.907 --> 01:33:57.942
or whatever it was.

1744
01:33:59.185 --> 01:34:01.912
And really no explanation
given I borrowed all this money

1745
01:34:01.946 --> 01:34:04.328
and I know he's had these,

1746
01:34:04.362 --> 01:34:06.917
they're gonna get him out here
just debunking everything.

1747
01:34:06.951 --> 01:34:08.988
And Fife says, you know, James,

1748
01:34:09.229 --> 01:34:12.232
that guy's an iconic figure
in the United States history.

1749
01:34:12.267 --> 01:34:14.959
I mean, he landed on the
Moon with Neil Armstrong.

1750
01:34:14.994 --> 01:34:16.858
You really can't be doing that

1751
01:34:16.892 --> 01:34:20.482
to him on a national
live TV show.

1752
01:34:20.516 --> 01:34:22.518
- He might even punch you.

1753
01:34:22.553 --> 01:34:25.694
- But he is a big, he is
a very famous, respected,

1754
01:34:25.729 --> 01:34:26.868
- He's a hero.
- He's a hero.

1755
01:34:26.902 --> 01:34:28.524
- And so I toned it down

1756
01:34:28.559 --> 01:34:30.078
and then I just watched him,

1757
01:34:31.182 --> 01:34:33.840
basically lie on live television

1758
01:34:34.945 --> 01:34:36.601
- What did I see
during the flight?

1759
01:34:36.636 --> 01:34:37.533
- [Larry King] Yeah, you saw-
- We saw

1760
01:34:37.568 --> 01:34:41.054
- one of the four panels,
the 99.999.

1761
01:34:41.089 --> 01:34:44.092
- Okay, I was told by a
very close source of yours

1762
01:34:44.126 --> 01:34:48.406
that you actually saw
something other than that.

1763
01:34:49.028 --> 01:34:51.582
- A lot of people have
said things that I saw.

1764
01:34:51.616 --> 01:34:53.308
- I don't want to reveal
the source.

1765
01:34:53.342 --> 01:34:54.619
- That doesn't mean that I saw.

1766
01:34:54.654 --> 01:34:57.692
[panelists speaking
simultaneously]

1767
01:35:00.695 --> 01:35:03.352
[ominous music]

1768
01:35:05.182 --> 01:35:07.011
- In your years of flying,

1769
01:35:07.046 --> 01:35:07.805
- Oh.
- As you said,

1770
01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:08.772
you've seen strange things.

1771
01:35:08.806 --> 01:35:12.120
- Well, yeah, I was flying
a T33, I guess

1772
01:35:12.154 --> 01:35:14.985
and I looked out and saw
a star out there,

1773
01:35:15.917 --> 01:35:17.712
but it wasn't a star,
it was Venus.

1774
01:35:17.746 --> 01:35:19.541
But it kept following me
all along.

1775
01:35:19.575 --> 01:35:23.614
And you would swear that
it's another object out there

1776
01:35:23.648 --> 01:35:24.649
and you can turn.

1777
01:35:24.684 --> 01:35:27.791
And I wanna congratulate
you on your magic show

1778
01:35:27.825 --> 01:35:29.689
last night with all
the illusions,

1779
01:35:29.724 --> 01:35:33.451
because now we're getting a
lot more illusions tonight.

1780
01:35:33.486 --> 01:35:36.006
And can you explain
everything that happened

1781
01:35:36.040 --> 01:35:38.698
with Chris Angel last night?
- I cannot explain anything.

1782
01:35:38.733 --> 01:35:39.734
- No, you can't.

1783
01:35:39.768 --> 01:35:40.873
- Doesn't make it.

1784
01:35:40.907 --> 01:35:41.977
- [Buzz Aldrin] That's right.

1785
01:35:42.012 --> 01:35:42.875
- Here's what I'm gonna do, folk

1786
01:35:44.083 --> 01:35:44.877
I'm gonna take a break, come
back and get the thought.

1787
01:35:44.911 --> 01:35:46.119
- One of my biggest regrets was

1788
01:35:46.154 --> 01:35:48.294
I didn't get Fay Ann Potter
on camera to,

1789
01:35:48.328 --> 01:35:50.745
I never thought she would
just die so quickly.

1790
01:35:50.779 --> 01:35:52.712
I didn't even know she was sick,
you know?

1791
01:35:52.954 --> 01:35:55.370
But Fay Ann Potter told me

1792
01:35:55.404 --> 01:35:58.269
that he had a very dramatic
encounter with a flying saucer

1793
01:35:58.304 --> 01:35:59.615
while he chased the disc,

1794
01:35:59.650 --> 01:36:01.583
'cause it is what she said.

1795
01:36:01.617 --> 01:36:03.274
While piloting in a fighter jet.

1796
01:36:03.309 --> 01:36:07.382
And that they were
followed by something

1797
01:36:07.416 --> 01:36:09.833
that they were not able
to explain to the Moon.

1798
01:36:09.867 --> 01:36:11.800
She did not say he had
a sighting on the Moon.

1799
01:36:11.835 --> 01:36:12.836
She didn't tell me that.

1800
01:36:12.870 --> 01:36:14.147
She said on the way to the Moon.

1801
01:36:14.182 --> 01:36:15.010
- Right.

1802
01:36:15.045 --> 01:36:16.046
- Now, what happened
on the Moon?

1803
01:36:16.080 --> 01:36:17.979
I have no idea, but
that's what she told me.

1804
01:36:18.013 --> 01:36:20.636
- Apollo 11 was purely symbolic.

1805
01:36:20.671 --> 01:36:23.950
It was land on the Moon
in the middle of nowhere,

1806
01:36:23.985 --> 01:36:26.435
avoid all this stuff that
we're concerned about,

1807
01:36:26.470 --> 01:36:28.541
because there's a whole theory.

1808
01:36:33.201 --> 01:36:34.823
That we can land on the Moon,

1809
01:36:34.858 --> 01:36:36.652
and it was out in the
middle of nowhere

1810
01:36:36.687 --> 01:36:37.895
and it was where the stars

1811
01:36:37.930 --> 01:36:40.277
were aligned properly in
the Sea of Tranquility

1812
01:36:40.311 --> 01:36:42.831
for Buzz Aldrin to perform
his ceremony,

1813
01:36:42.866 --> 01:36:45.661
which consecrated the Moon
itself as a Masonic temple,

1814
01:36:45.696 --> 01:36:48.078
and Apollo 11 tranquility
base as a Masonic temple.

1815
01:36:48.112 --> 01:36:49.217
That was the purpose.

1816
01:36:49.251 --> 01:36:51.978
All the other missions
were salvage missions.

1817
01:36:52.013 --> 01:36:56.051
Let's go land where we
think interesting stuff is,

1818
01:36:56.086 --> 01:36:57.915
ancient alien technology,

1819
01:36:57.950 --> 01:37:00.815
call it an anarchy
technology if you want to.

1820
01:37:00.849 --> 01:37:02.955
Left behind and bring it back

1821
01:37:02.989 --> 01:37:06.682
and do a Terminator to reverse
engineering type thing.

1822
01:37:06.717 --> 01:37:07.994
And I mean, it's pretty clear

1823
01:37:08.029 --> 01:37:10.203
as you look at the
photographic record.

1824
01:37:10.238 --> 01:37:11.170
Oh, did they see that?

1825
01:37:11.204 --> 01:37:12.102
Yeah, I'm sure they saw that.

1826
01:37:12.136 --> 01:37:12.930
Did they see this?

1827
01:37:12.965 --> 01:37:13.897
Yeah, I'm sure they saw that.

1828
01:37:13.931 --> 01:37:16.002
I'm sure they realized
that's not a rock,

1829
01:37:16.037 --> 01:37:19.143
because they were very well
trained in all this stuff.

1830
01:37:19.178 --> 01:37:21.766
[upbeat music]

1831
01:37:24.390 --> 01:37:25.356
- Welcome to Tucker Carlson.

1832
01:37:25.391 --> 01:37:27.393
Today, the crazy thing
about the topic of UFOs

1833
01:37:27.427 --> 01:37:30.775
is how when you get into
it, how really non-crazy,

1834
01:37:30.810 --> 01:37:32.467
a lot of the people
who know a lot

1835
01:37:32.501 --> 01:37:35.056
about the topic turn out to be.

1836
01:37:35.090 --> 01:37:37.713
They're kind of the opposite
of what you imagine.

1837
01:37:37.748 --> 01:37:39.474
They're not for conspiracy nuts.

1838
01:37:39.508 --> 01:37:42.442
A lot of them are
just scientists.

1839
01:37:42.477 --> 01:37:44.582
Garry Nolan is definitely
at the top of that list.

1840
01:37:44.617 --> 01:37:46.964
He's a Harvard, he's a
Stanford rather, professor,

1841
01:37:46.999 --> 01:37:49.346
Stanford PhD, an immunologist.

1842
01:37:49.380 --> 01:37:53.177
And he has over the
last decade or two,

1843
01:37:53.212 --> 01:37:56.663
spent a lot of time
studying the harmful effects

1844
01:37:56.698 --> 01:38:00.909
that apparent encounters with
UFOs have on the human brain.

1845
01:38:00.944 --> 01:38:04.464
- So my main job,
my day job at Stanford

1846
01:38:04.499 --> 01:38:08.089
for the last 30 years has been

1847
01:38:08.123 --> 01:38:10.781
the development of
technologies to look at cancer.

1848
01:38:10.815 --> 01:38:15.820
It was circa 2011 or so when
some people from the CIA

1849
01:38:18.064 --> 01:38:20.618
and an aerospace company
came to me

1850
01:38:20.653 --> 01:38:24.899
to ask me for their
help on the analysis

1851
01:38:24.933 --> 01:38:27.832
of some individuals
who had been,

1852
01:38:27.867 --> 01:38:31.181
had encountered some
anomalous objects they said.

1853
01:38:31.215 --> 01:38:35.461
And I mean they came to
my office unannounced

1854
01:38:35.495 --> 01:38:37.325
and then started laying
out pictures

1855
01:38:37.359 --> 01:38:40.535
and data on the table
in front of me.

1856
01:38:40.569 --> 01:38:43.331
Then that's a huge
operation in the government

1857
01:38:43.365 --> 01:38:44.297
to deal with those.

1858
01:38:44.332 --> 01:38:46.058
In fact, the Senate Intelligence
Committee

1859
01:38:46.092 --> 01:38:48.094
just came out with a
report this morning

1860
01:38:48.129 --> 01:38:49.820
that has language
specifically in it

1861
01:38:49.854 --> 01:38:52.512
to look at the Havana
Syndrome cases

1862
01:38:52.547 --> 01:38:53.824
and to understand it.

1863
01:38:54.790 --> 01:38:56.723
Also has interesting, I
don't know if you saw it,

1864
01:38:56.758 --> 01:38:58.967
it also has language about UAPs.

1865
01:38:59.002 --> 01:39:03.040
And basically, admonishing
the defense department saying,

1866
01:39:03.075 --> 01:39:05.042
you guys have been
dragging your feet.

1867
01:39:05.077 --> 01:39:08.494
No, no more, whistleblower
language.

1868
01:39:08.528 --> 01:39:10.392
They actually, there was
also a situation

1869
01:39:10.427 --> 01:39:13.844
where they wanna go all
the way back to 1947,

1870
01:39:13.878 --> 01:39:15.708
collect, they want the,

1871
01:39:15.742 --> 01:39:18.021
all the Defense Department
and the CIA, et cetera

1872
01:39:18.055 --> 01:39:20.230
to collect all the information

1873
01:39:20.264 --> 01:39:23.647
around events that
have occurred.

1874
01:39:23.681 --> 01:39:25.338
They want all of, interestingly,

1875
01:39:25.373 --> 01:39:28.376
the NDAs, the non-disclosure
agreements,

1876
01:39:28.410 --> 01:39:29.618
they want those all listed,

1877
01:39:29.653 --> 01:39:32.483
because the NDAs are
associated to people.

1878
01:39:32.518 --> 01:39:33.588
And that means they can start

1879
01:39:33.622 --> 01:39:35.797
to name the people who
have been involved.

1880
01:39:35.831 --> 01:39:38.834
They want all of the information
on the disinformation

1881
01:39:38.869 --> 01:39:41.458
and the obfuscation that's
been going on.

1882
01:39:41.492 --> 01:39:43.218
And they want information about

1883
01:39:43.253 --> 01:39:45.876
the medical harms
that have occurred.

1884
01:39:45.910 --> 01:39:48.396
- If we look at this
Tucker Carlson interview

1885
01:39:48.430 --> 01:39:52.055
that happened with the
Stanford University professor,

1886
01:39:52.089 --> 01:39:56.473
it gives one hope about the
disclosure and this movement

1887
01:39:56.507 --> 01:39:59.062
in which we might get
in the mainstream media.

1888
01:39:59.096 --> 01:40:02.651
The fact that we're not
alone sometime in the future.

1889
01:40:02.686 --> 01:40:06.172
These congressional hearings
in which experiencers

1890
01:40:06.207 --> 01:40:10.038
are going to testify
before Congress.

1891
01:40:10.073 --> 01:40:14.594
Experiencers being people
that were witness to UFOs

1892
01:40:14.629 --> 01:40:17.114
and actually were
physically affected

1893
01:40:17.149 --> 01:40:19.737
by their proximity to
these UFOs.

1894
01:40:20.600 --> 01:40:23.362
Now, these experiencers
are important,

1895
01:40:23.396 --> 01:40:25.295
but it pains me to think that

1896
01:40:26.675 --> 01:40:30.300
important whistleblowers
like Karl Wolfe

1897
01:40:31.853 --> 01:40:35.477
are no longer around
to also take part

1898
01:40:35.512 --> 01:40:37.893
in these congressional hearings.

1899
01:40:37.928 --> 01:40:41.104
Karl Wolfe passed away in 2018.

1900
01:40:42.415 --> 01:40:45.246
Just like John Mack was
hit by a car,

1901
01:40:46.143 --> 01:40:48.421
and this tragically
ended his life.

1902
01:40:49.284 --> 01:40:53.392
In 2018, Karl Wolfe was
also hit by a car

1903
01:40:53.426 --> 01:40:55.670
when he was on his bike.

1904
01:40:55.704 --> 01:40:59.915
And this is a very
unfortunate loss.

1905
01:40:59.950 --> 01:41:02.159
His family mourns his loss,

1906
01:41:02.194 --> 01:41:05.956
as does the
UFO research community.

1907
01:41:05.990 --> 01:41:09.270
- Well, let's say we know
all of these implications,

1908
01:41:09.304 --> 01:41:14.033
and let's say it's 1960

1909
01:41:14.068 --> 01:41:18.106
and we know some of
these things, right?

1910
01:41:18.141 --> 01:41:19.935
Well, you think of the
world back then.

1911
01:41:19.970 --> 01:41:21.627
The world of 1960,

1912
01:41:21.661 --> 01:41:25.631
no way would that world be ready

1913
01:41:25.665 --> 01:41:28.772
for some of the
intellectual realities

1914
01:41:28.806 --> 01:41:30.601
of what we think we know now.

1915
01:41:30.636 --> 01:41:32.638
Because actually our
knowledge of this subject

1916
01:41:32.672 --> 01:41:37.643
has gone way deeper in our era
than it ever was in the past.

1917
01:41:38.299 --> 01:41:40.370
In the past,
they're thinking like

1918
01:41:40.404 --> 01:41:41.992
the day the Earth stood still,

1919
01:41:42.026 --> 01:41:45.720
you know, men, maybe
some women in space suits

1920
01:41:45.754 --> 01:41:49.344
from another world in
their metal spaceships

1921
01:41:49.379 --> 01:41:50.897
have just arrived.

1922
01:41:50.932 --> 01:41:52.968
And you know, that whole thing.

1923
01:41:53.003 --> 01:41:55.178
And that's how people were
talking back in the fifties.

1924
01:41:55.212 --> 01:41:56.455
That's what they thought.

1925
01:41:56.489 --> 01:41:58.181
Or at least some of them were
thinking along these lines.

1926
01:41:58.215 --> 01:42:03.186
And that's clearly not
like we're well past that,

1927
01:42:03.910 --> 01:42:05.360
whatever the reality of this is,

1928
01:42:05.395 --> 01:42:09.571
this phenomenon signifies a
reality that is mind bending.

1929
01:42:10.814 --> 01:42:12.436
That we're gonna have to
make some adjustments.

1930
01:42:12.471 --> 01:42:17.165
So let's say back in 1960,
we've got some inkling of this.

1931
01:42:17.200 --> 01:42:18.960
And we have to ask ourselves,

1932
01:42:18.994 --> 01:42:21.859
what the hell do we do
with this information?

1933
01:42:21.894 --> 01:42:26.899
And how could we ever get the
public up to speed on this?

1934
01:42:28.142 --> 01:42:30.385
And if we were to really
think seriously about that,

1935
01:42:30.420 --> 01:42:35.114
we would realize this
will take generations.

1936
01:42:35.149 --> 01:42:36.529
This cannot happen right away.

1937
01:42:36.564 --> 01:42:38.013
There's no way.

1938
01:42:38.048 --> 01:42:39.222
No way.

1939
01:42:39.256 --> 01:42:42.190
- I don't think it's gonna
come as a surprise to folks

1940
01:42:42.225 --> 01:42:44.882
that have been following
us on this journey

1941
01:42:44.917 --> 01:42:49.784
that Apollo 12 has many of
the examples of anomalies,

1942
01:42:49.818 --> 01:42:53.305
structures on the Moon and UFOs

1943
01:42:53.339 --> 01:42:56.480
that we will also see
in later Moon missions.

1944
01:42:57.585 --> 01:43:00.243
[ominous music]

1945
01:43:12.151 --> 01:43:14.912
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1946
01:43:21.160 --> 01:43:24.715
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1947
01:43:31.343 --> 01:43:34.932
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1948
01:43:41.387 --> 01:43:44.977
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01:43:51.466 --> 01:43:55.090
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01:44:01.614 --> 01:44:05.204
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01:44:11.521 --> 01:44:15.145
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01:44:21.531 --> 01:44:25.155
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1953
01:44:31.334 --> 01:44:34.923
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