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- I used to carry around
a little card in my wallet.

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Printed on it was a passage
written by

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Pulitzer Prize-winning
playwright William Saroyan.

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His words have served me
as a a kind of

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aspirational instruction

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on how I might best
live my life.

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In its few
and poignant paragraphs

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I held it as a Bible of sorts.

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Its thoughts had resonated
deeply with me

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from a young age
and on a visceral level

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and for decades.

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But it had not become
so crystal clear

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in its relevance until
this past year and half

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as I made seven trips
to and from Ukraine

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for the making of this film.

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- For those of you watching,

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Vladimir Putin
has just declared

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that a special military
operation is now underway.

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- This speech
by Vladimir Putin

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basically saying
that this war

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is on the hands
of the Ukrainians who resist.

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[distant explosion]
Oh. I tell you what.

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I just heard a big bang.

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- And the distinct sound
of explosions

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on the horizon here in Kyiv.

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- Go, go, go.

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- A democratic country
has been invaded

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by its nuclear-armed
neighbor.

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- At least three explosions
rocked the capital of Kyiv.

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- We should go
a little bit faster.

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- Russia is picking off
Ukraine's military facilities

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one after another.

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- No, no, guys.

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- Okay.
- What the fuck is going on?

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[dramatic music]

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- If the Russians
did attack,

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they'd have a short run
to Kharkiv.

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We're driving north
towards the border

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with Russia,
which is now about

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15 or 20 minutes away.

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About half an hour beyond that
is the city of...

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- I really want to get back
over there.

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- They pulled back
logistical units

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that they could move back
to bases

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that are already close by.

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All the, like, the things
that would be essential for--

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to take Kyiv
they've left in place.

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- But then the counterpoint

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from the Unites States'
position is that

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they've also moved things
in what looks like

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a strategic movement towards--

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- You have to spend this money
to train the troops

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on logistics
on how you make these moves.

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- I had a conversation

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with a former
State Department official,

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and he, like us,

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"I don't think it's going
to happen" kind of feel.

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Some of these pieces will
be edited out of the film,

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because it might be us saying,
"It's not going to happen.

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- And then they fucking...
- No.

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In fact, though,
it's a valuable time capsule

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to, you know...
- With feeling.

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- Yes, we will admit it.

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But it's not going to happen.

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- Erin's hearing
from the Zelensky office.

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How do you feel about
jumping on the plane Sunday?

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- Let's say things get weird

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and they shut down airlines...
- Right.

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- Into Kyiv,
should we go to Poland?

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- There's a natural
kind of avenue to get there.

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We fly in and drive in.
- Yeah.

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Is there a train?

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[laughter]

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- I'll check on the train.
- Fuck, that was tits.

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That was really great.

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That was one of
the great nights in my life

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just being able to look
out the window

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at the distant little lights
and villages.

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[train whistle blows]

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[tense brooding music]

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♪

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- So...

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- We're gonna follow your lead,

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because we're starting
from zero.

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- Okay.

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♪

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- This project started with,

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"Oh,
what a cute human interest.

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"This comedic actor,
this nice little guy

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"has become
the president of Ukraine.

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This is going to be funny."

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I talked to Sean about it
just as a friend.

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I said, "Oh,
I'm doing this, you know,

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this project on Zelensky."

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And Sean said, "Oh, you know,
I've been watching

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"a little bit about this guy.

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He seems, like,
really interesting."

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And I've seen Sean do this
with other things

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and people
that he finds interesting.

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- Before the quake,
actor Sean Penn

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had never been to Haiti.

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He has been there almost
full-time since January.

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- I've often been asked,

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"What's a Hollywood
actor doing

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by going to places
of disaster..."

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- We arrived in Baghdad
this morning.

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- "Of conflict..."

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I cannot conceive why they
would not have shared

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the evidence
of weapons of mass destruction.

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- Remember that Sean Penn
is an arrogant

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and self-involved person.

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- You know, even his poop
doesn't stink.

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- "Spending time with alleged
enemies of America

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- Two-time Oscar winner
Sean Penn...

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- "Or much worse?

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- Shaking hands
with El Chapo.

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Who do you think you are,
Walter Cronkite?"

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- Unbelievable,
you see these celebrities...

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"Do you have
a savior complex?"

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- Just stick to what
you're good at,

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but stay out of our politics.

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I just don't quite get why CNN
keeps having him on.

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- What really motivates you,
Sean Penn?

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- [inhales]

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The best response
that I've ever

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been able to muster
is that I'm curious.

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I've been lucky in life to
be able to afford to travel.

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And weathered
though it is,

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my famous face

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gets me access
to places and people

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I may otherwise
not have known.

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And sometimes I feel
I can be helpful.

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This film is unusual.

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When Billy Smith and I set out
to make this film

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there'd been no recent sign
of accelerated threat

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to Ukraine by Russia.

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Most of what I knew
about President Zelensky

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was that he had too
had been an actor

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and that as president
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international perception

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of having an attempt
at him being puppeted

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by then U.S. president
Donald Trump.

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- Tonight
an explosive allegation

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by a government whistleblower.

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- It details
President Trump's conversation

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with the Ukrainian president.

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- It was on that call
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told the Ukrainian president,

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"I would like you
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- Suddenly I had to do
what I do,

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listen to smart people.

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- In the early 1990s, when
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Ukraine had on its territory

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the world's third-largest
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If you go back and you look

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at the George H.W. Bush
administration

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and then the first year
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of the Clinton administration,

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a real focus was on getting
rid of those nuclear weapons.

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And the Ukrainians
at the end of the day

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were prepared to do that.

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Their one condition was,
they said, "Look,

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"nuclear weapons
offer security.

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If we get rid of them,
how do you replace that?"

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And we came up with something
that seemed like a good idea

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at the time.

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And it was
the Budapest Memorandum

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on Security Assurances,
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Britain, and Russia said,

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"We will respect
your sovereignty,

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"your territorial integrity,
your independence.

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"And we will not use
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to use force against you."

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Russians, of course,
have violated all of that.

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[plunky piano music]

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- We'd originally set out
to tell the whimsical tale

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of a real-world president,

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who had been
a comedy superstar

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in a series
about a rural history teacher

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who becomes a president

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only later
to actually become one.

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- Reality
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and Zelensky
had made it difficult

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for many of us to know

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where the television president
ended and the real one began.

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- It was feeling
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like a movie within a movie

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within a movie.

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What would it take
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to be accepted into NATO?

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- NATO said,
"Enlargement will be a matter

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"between the alliance
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and no third parties."

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Well, I think
it's fairly obvious

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Russia's gotten
a de facto vote.

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I think the concern here is,

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if Ukraine joins NATO
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on Tuesday, is NATO
then at war with Russia?

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- The situation
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remains fluid
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There is no certainty
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We see a significant

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and unusual
concentration of forces,

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which is, you know,
unjustified and unexplained.

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- And with the current
Russian buildups...

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- Yeah.
- How does that go

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for a president like Zelensky?

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- I think Zelensky
is a problem for Putin

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in the sense
that he contradicts

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the Russian narrative.

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I mean, the Russian
narrative of Ukraine

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is that there's an ultra-right
neo-Nazi government

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that hates Russia
and hates Russians,

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including Ukrainians
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Zelensky is a problem
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He's Jewish.

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- Let's be serious.

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We're now living in the world
where...

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He made an entertainment
empire making movies,

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coming to shows all over
the post-Soviet space.

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He was a star in Russia
as well.

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[cheers and applause]

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- The situation
was changing

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and feeling more urgent

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for us as trying to tell
a story about Zelensky

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to get over there
as soon as possible

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to give Sean a feel
for the place

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before it all
might go sideways.

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- [singing in native language]

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- We took in a bit
of nightlife,

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met with some veterans
of the Crimea invasion...

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[indistinct chatter]

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Then ultimately with
a very big and strong man

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who was posed to challenge
Zelensky for the presidency.

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- Vitali Klitschko has made
history as a boxer.

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- Vitali Klitschko
retained his share

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of the heavyweight title.

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- But he's recently
left the ring

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for a far more dangerous
arena.

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- Right now
I continue my fight,

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because I see the great
future of my country.

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- There's a lot of parallels
between Ukraine

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and the United States today
politically.

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One of them is how people
define freedom.

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- Regarding Ukraine,
it's our freedom

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to be independent,

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independent to make
a decision where we go.

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Not so many people know
about Ukraine,

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because we're
a very young country.

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We just celebrate
30 years' independency.

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We was in Soviet Union,

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and somebody have an idea
to rebuild

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big Russian empire.

263
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- Somebody has an idea
to rebuild the Soviet Empire?

264
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- Yeah.
- Yeah. That's right. Okay.

265
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- We don't want back to USSR.

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We're fighting
to build democracy,

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to have a choice.

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To be part of modern world,
I guess, is freedom.

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But just after 2014,

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we clearly understand
what this mean,

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territorial integrity
and independency.

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People pay for that
highest price.

273
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[dramatic music]

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♪

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- Thousands upon thousands
of demonstrators

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have taken to the streets
furious with the government

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of President
Viktor Yanukovych.

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- Yanukovych reversed
his decision to sign

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a long-awaited trade deal
with the European Union

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in a move that favored
stronger ties with Russia.

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- I can't imagine us living
in the pre-Maidan times,

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in the country
with authoritarian rule.

283
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We didn't have
strong institutions

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that were pro-Ukranian.

285
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Our information space
was merged with Russia.

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We didn't think much
about Ukrainian identity,

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but people changed.

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- I am Ukrainian.

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We are not a Soviet Union.

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We want to be free.

291
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Maidan was such
an empowering moment

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for my generation.

293
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Like, each of us,
we felt that our voice matter,

294
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our persistence matters,
and that we can win.

295
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- Before Maidan,
Ukraine was kind of

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a gray area on the map.

297
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- No one understood
what's really the difference

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between Ukraine and Russia.

299
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We were completely, like,
in this kleptocratic state,

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like, where everyone
was stealing everything.

301
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And one of the goals
of this protest

302
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was to clean up corruption
from Ukrainian government.

303
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And it was so hard.

304
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[tense music]

305
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♪

306
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[gunfire]

307
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- Fallen bodies
in the streets of Kyiv.

308
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Protesters confronting
security services,

309
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who respond
with live ammunition.

310
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- We're hearing
from medical officials

311
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that possibly
100 people have died.

312
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That figure is going
to inflame

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an awful lot of anger.

314
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♪

315
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- Ukrainians have
this historical willingness

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to be a democratic state.

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And because it is so hard
to get,

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it becomes very precious.

319
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[morose music]

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♪

321
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[gunfire]

322
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- At the ceremony, the lady
who spoke before you said

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he wanted to build Europe here.

324
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Is that dream one
that will be realized

325
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in the future of Ukraine?

326
00:16:24.984 --> 00:16:28.509
- Euromaidan gave a great push
to build our own sense

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of responsibility.

328
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We started to realize,
it's our country.

329
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We have to do something.

330
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- In a special session,
Ukraine's parliament

331
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voted to remove
President Viktor Yanukovych.

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- He fled to Russia,
urging Moscow to retaliate.

333
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- Annexation of Crimea
was made possible

334
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because of Euromaidan.

335
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It allowed Putin
to switch on the propaganda.

336
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[applause]

337
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- Shame on me having focused
so little of my attention

338
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on Ukraine's 2004
Orange Revolution

339
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or its significant leader,
Viktor Yushchenko.

340
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After being elected president
in 2005,

341
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Yushchenko became Ukraine's
first modern leader

342
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to stand up for Ukraine's
sovereignty

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against Russia's unrelentingly
invasive grip.

344
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While I,
like most Americans,

345
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remembered little beyond
the headlines

346
00:18:29.934 --> 00:18:32.154
about the dioxin poisoning
of Yushchenko

347
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by Russian assets,

348
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this had been
a sanguine moment

349
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in Ukraine's
sovereign evolution.

350
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In the ten politically corrupt
and chaotic years

351
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of disappointment
that followed,

352
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the masses had maintained
that rumble of freedom calling

353
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until that rumble
became the river

354
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that burst into Maidan.

355
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[tense percussive music]

356
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♪

357
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- We were all through
eastern Ukraine,

358
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and we traveled down
to Mariupol.

359
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- Mariupol, which had been so
consistently scarred

360
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since 2014,
would later become the site

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of so much death
and destruction.

362
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♪

363
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[groans]

364
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Why did you decide to serve?

365
00:19:41.092 --> 00:19:42.659
- And you rose to position
of commander?

366
00:19:56.282 --> 00:19:57.457
- And you're a sniper?

367
00:20:01.939 --> 00:20:04.115
- It's November 2021.

368
00:20:04.159 --> 00:20:05.900
Where is general troop morale?

369
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[morose music]

370
00:20:27.313 --> 00:20:29.793
- After Maidan, it was hard
to imagine myself

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anywhere else in the world,

372
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because Ukraine
is a country in the making.

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And, like, being a part
of the historical process

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of building a state,

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it's bigger than anything.

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Like, you're building
something

377
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that will influence life of
people for hundreds of years.

378
00:20:49.987 --> 00:20:53.861
- After Maidan,
people expected

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a new political elite,
a new government

380
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will change
the situation dramatically,

381
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will fight corruption,
will change internal rules,

382
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and so on and so forth.

383
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But, unfortunately,
the old corrupted elite--

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Western-related
but still corrupted--

385
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came to power.

386
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- He was one of the wealthiest
people in the country

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from day one.

388
00:21:13.881 --> 00:21:16.710
- Ukrainians perceived
Poroshenko, many of them,

389
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as another oligarch,
a rich man going to power

390
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and becoming
even more rich man.

391
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- There's a saying here,

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which may sound bad,

393
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but as long
as there's corruption,

394
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you can count on justice.

395
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- This kind of idea
of Ukrainians,

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that there are oligarchs
who privatized the country,

397
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and they put
the private interests

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over the public interests.

399
00:21:50.178 --> 00:21:52.746
So Zelensky
was playing on this,

400
00:21:52.789 --> 00:21:55.052
that, "I will come,
and I will break this system."

401
00:21:55.096 --> 00:21:58.273
[rock music]

402
00:21:58.317 --> 00:21:59.840
- His political life began

403
00:21:59.883 --> 00:22:03.278
with that really incredible
coup on New Year's Eve.

404
00:22:03.322 --> 00:22:05.628
- [exhaling sharply]

405
00:22:05.672 --> 00:22:08.762
- Zelensky was, you know,
ally with Kolomoisky,

406
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one of the oligarchs.

407
00:22:10.372 --> 00:22:12.940
And Kolomoisky TV channel,
1+1,

408
00:22:12.983 --> 00:22:15.986
instead of address
of the president, Poroshenko,

409
00:22:16.030 --> 00:22:18.337
they put address of Zelensky.

410
00:22:22.602 --> 00:22:25.431
- Zelensky has done a lot
to try to separate himself

411
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from Kolomoisky,
but I don't get the sense

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that he's as compromised

413
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as someone
like Viktor Yanukovych

414
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or Petro Poroshenko,
who are legitimate oligarchs.

415
00:22:35.354 --> 00:22:37.399
- In Ukraine, it's not
necessarily a country

416
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that's black and white;
it's shades of gray.

417
00:22:39.270 --> 00:22:41.011
- Here's a young kid, pure,

418
00:22:41.055 --> 00:22:42.448
innocent, white,
fluffy bunny rabbit

419
00:22:42.491 --> 00:22:43.884
untouched by the dirt
of politics.

420
00:22:45.842 --> 00:22:46.800
- He knows what to do.

421
00:23:03.120 --> 00:23:04.905
- I saw his show,
"The Servant of the People,"

422
00:23:04.948 --> 00:23:07.603
exactly what he would do
if he was president,

423
00:23:07.647 --> 00:23:10.301
which is destroy oligarchy,
destroy corruption.

424
00:23:25.491 --> 00:23:26.492
[upbeat music]

425
00:23:26.535 --> 00:23:27.841
Be careful.

426
00:23:27.884 --> 00:23:30.409
- He was one
of the most famous actor

427
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not just in Ukraine,
of all territory

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of the Soviet Union.

429
00:23:34.325 --> 00:23:38.678
He not be an actor
who is sitting and waiting,

430
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what happened around him.

431
00:23:40.288 --> 00:23:42.421
He was producer.
He was director.

432
00:23:44.510 --> 00:23:45.424
- Whoo-hoo!

433
00:24:09.709 --> 00:24:11.014
- [speaking
in native language]

434
00:24:11.058 --> 00:24:13.147
- The choice is very simple,
either or.

435
00:24:13.190 --> 00:24:15.062
Zelensky is hope.

436
00:24:15.105 --> 00:24:17.456
- Sometimes he is not
very well-prepared.

437
00:24:17.499 --> 00:24:18.500
- He's really trying.

438
00:24:18.544 --> 00:24:20.241
It's just, like, not his role.

439
00:24:20.284 --> 00:24:22.025
- I mean, we don't know
what he thinks

440
00:24:22.069 --> 00:24:24.114
about almost anything.
- Well, indeed.

441
00:24:24.158 --> 00:24:26.160
- Test out the policies
in the TV show.

442
00:24:26.203 --> 00:24:27.683
See if they bump, you know,
and implement them.

443
00:24:27.727 --> 00:24:29.076
- Yes.

444
00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:32.906
[upbeat music]

445
00:24:32.949 --> 00:24:34.298
- Zelensky came in,

446
00:24:34.342 --> 00:24:35.691
a political novice,
supposedly,

447
00:24:35.735 --> 00:24:37.606
but I think he ran
an excellent campaign.

448
00:24:37.650 --> 00:24:39.129
You know, his themes were,
"I'm going to fight corruption.

449
00:24:39.173 --> 00:24:40.391
"I'm going to grow the economy.

450
00:24:40.435 --> 00:24:42.306
"We're going to stop
the war with Russia,

451
00:24:42.350 --> 00:24:43.699
and we're going to get
our territory back."

452
00:24:51.402 --> 00:24:53.535
- We are living
in the country

453
00:24:53.579 --> 00:24:55.537
in which all the presidents

454
00:24:55.581 --> 00:24:58.148
was from
some politic elite.

455
00:24:58.192 --> 00:25:02.022
I've been not sure
that it can be possible,

456
00:25:02.065 --> 00:25:04.241
but I was sure about him.

457
00:25:04.285 --> 00:25:05.634
Absolutely.

458
00:25:05.678 --> 00:25:09.899
[cheers and applause]

459
00:25:09.943 --> 00:25:13.686
- A political earthquake took
place in Ukraine this weekend.

460
00:25:13.729 --> 00:25:16.906
On Sunday an electorate
sick of the status quo

461
00:25:16.950 --> 00:25:19.909
voted overwhelmingly
for a political satirist.

462
00:25:49.635 --> 00:25:50.984
[cheers and applause]

463
00:26:03.387 --> 00:26:05.302
- We were meeting
with people every day

464
00:26:05.346 --> 00:26:07.478
while waiting
for it all to line up

465
00:26:07.522 --> 00:26:08.871
to meet with the president.

466
00:26:08.915 --> 00:26:10.525
Between people on the street,

467
00:26:10.569 --> 00:26:12.135
people in bars
and restaurants,

468
00:26:12.179 --> 00:26:13.833
people from all walks of life,

469
00:26:13.876 --> 00:26:15.530
I don't think
we found anybody

470
00:26:15.574 --> 00:26:17.967
who said, "This is the guy."

471
00:26:18.011 --> 00:26:19.012
Did you vote for him?

472
00:26:22.102 --> 00:26:24.278
- Were you a fan
of "Servant of the People"?

473
00:26:26.802 --> 00:26:29.065
- I think a lot of people
who voted for them

474
00:26:29.109 --> 00:26:30.501
were also confused,

475
00:26:30.545 --> 00:26:33.766
and they were choosing, like,
from lesser evil.

476
00:26:33.809 --> 00:26:35.115
- I didn't vote for him,

477
00:26:35.158 --> 00:26:37.073
and I was very skeptical
about him.

478
00:26:37.117 --> 00:26:39.598
He did belong
to Russian world.

479
00:26:39.641 --> 00:26:43.340
He worked
and made money in Russia.

480
00:26:43.384 --> 00:26:46.300
I think that for a long time,

481
00:26:46.343 --> 00:26:50.043
he expected that he could find
some understanding.

482
00:27:07.538 --> 00:27:10.280
- Who is Zelensky to you?

483
00:27:10.324 --> 00:27:12.108
- He's the president,
you know?

484
00:27:12.152 --> 00:27:16.243
I don't vote for him,
because for me,

485
00:27:16.286 --> 00:27:20.726
president in Ukraine
must be a man with the balls.

486
00:27:20.769 --> 00:27:25.731
Because when we have president
which want to speak

487
00:27:25.774 --> 00:27:28.037
with the Russians
about the peace,

488
00:27:28.081 --> 00:27:29.212
what the fuck, man?

489
00:27:29.256 --> 00:27:31.693
Russians don't care
about peace.

490
00:27:31.737 --> 00:27:35.088
- How old were each of you
when you went to fight?

491
00:27:35.131 --> 00:27:36.785
- I was 27.
- 35.

492
00:27:36.829 --> 00:27:38.265
- What led you to it?

493
00:27:38.308 --> 00:27:39.919
- My father was born
in Crimea.

494
00:27:39.962 --> 00:27:42.573
My mother lived in Donetsk.

495
00:27:42.617 --> 00:27:46.752
And Crimea and Donetsk
now is occupied by Russians.

496
00:27:46.795 --> 00:27:49.319
So I don't want Russians
in my house.

497
00:27:49.363 --> 00:27:51.365
Our neighbors,
fucking neighbors.

498
00:27:51.408 --> 00:27:53.454
- Da, fucking neighbors.

499
00:27:53.497 --> 00:27:55.325
Fucking neighbors.

500
00:27:55.369 --> 00:27:56.936
- We're currently
in this situation

501
00:27:56.979 --> 00:27:59.939
where there's
a major Russian buildup.

502
00:27:59.982 --> 00:28:03.333
- We live with this
for 7 1/2 years.

503
00:28:03.377 --> 00:28:07.076
We understand that
they can go to war at us.

504
00:28:07.120 --> 00:28:09.470
So maybe for United citizens,

505
00:28:09.513 --> 00:28:11.254
it's like, you know...
[gasps]

506
00:28:11.298 --> 00:28:15.171
For Ukrainians, it's like,
"Okay, we know, yeah."

507
00:28:15.215 --> 00:28:17.478
When your enemy is Russian,

508
00:28:17.521 --> 00:28:20.829
you must be fucking tough guy.

509
00:28:20.873 --> 00:28:23.266
And it's a time when president

510
00:28:23.310 --> 00:28:27.880
must, mm,
do some difficult decisions.

511
00:28:30.099 --> 00:28:32.449
- More now
on our top national story.

512
00:28:32.493 --> 00:28:33.929
The whistleblower

513
00:28:33.973 --> 00:28:35.452
at the center
of the impeachment inquiry

514
00:28:35.496 --> 00:28:37.367
by the House
of Representatives alleged

515
00:28:37.411 --> 00:28:40.066
that President Trump abused
the power of his office.

516
00:28:40.109 --> 00:28:41.458
- President repeatedly urged

517
00:28:41.502 --> 00:28:43.722
Ukrainian president
Volodymyr Zelensky

518
00:28:43.765 --> 00:28:45.767
to investigate
his political rival.

519
00:28:45.811 --> 00:28:47.551
- Allegations
of a quid pro quo,

520
00:28:47.595 --> 00:28:49.423
that U.S. president
Donald Trump

521
00:28:49.466 --> 00:28:51.468
made military aid to Ukraine

522
00:28:51.512 --> 00:28:53.296
dependent on the country
digging up dirt

523
00:28:53.340 --> 00:28:54.733
on Trump's
political opponent.

524
00:28:59.476 --> 00:29:01.783
- It is improper for the
president of the United States

525
00:29:01.827 --> 00:29:05.047
to demand a foreign government
investigate a U.S. citizen

526
00:29:05.091 --> 00:29:06.309
and a political opponent.

527
00:29:06.353 --> 00:29:07.746
We missed a huge opportunity

528
00:29:07.789 --> 00:29:09.051
because
of the Ukrainian scandal

529
00:29:09.095 --> 00:29:10.661
to work with Zelensky.

530
00:29:10.705 --> 00:29:14.274
And also, those moments
indicated to Putin

531
00:29:14.317 --> 00:29:15.666
that there was
an opportunity here.

532
00:29:15.710 --> 00:29:18.582
You don't have to worry
about the U.S. government

533
00:29:18.626 --> 00:29:19.932
coming down on you
like a hammer.

534
00:29:19.975 --> 00:29:21.934
This is a wedge issue.

535
00:29:21.977 --> 00:29:23.370
We could separate, you know,
the parties,

536
00:29:23.413 --> 00:29:24.806
the bipartisan support.

537
00:29:24.850 --> 00:29:26.547
If we didn't have that,

538
00:29:26.590 --> 00:29:29.550
maybe we could have warned off
Russia's aggression.

539
00:29:29.593 --> 00:29:32.161
- I can see you're angry
with President Trump.

540
00:29:32.205 --> 00:29:35.121
Maybe a little bit, huh?

541
00:29:35.164 --> 00:29:38.951
- A little bit?
[chuckles]

542
00:29:38.994 --> 00:29:40.909
- Zelensky
is incredibly careful.

543
00:29:40.953 --> 00:29:43.912
And, I mean, at that point,
you can tell he understands

544
00:29:43.956 --> 00:29:46.393
that there's a huge trap here,

545
00:29:46.436 --> 00:29:48.090
and he very carefully
walks around it.

546
00:29:50.353 --> 00:29:52.616
And then in December of 2019

547
00:29:52.660 --> 00:29:54.749
there's a summit meeting
in Paris.

548
00:29:54.793 --> 00:29:57.056
President Macron of France,
Chancellor Merkel of Germany,

549
00:29:57.099 --> 00:29:58.927
they're there with Putin
and Zelensky,

550
00:29:58.971 --> 00:30:02.061
tried to mediate a solution
to the conflict in Donbas.

551
00:30:09.895 --> 00:30:10.896
- I think Putin
kind of thought

552
00:30:10.939 --> 00:30:12.593
he could play Zelensky,

553
00:30:12.636 --> 00:30:14.334
but he challenged Putin
in a way that I think

554
00:30:14.377 --> 00:30:15.901
Putin was kind of
surprised about.

555
00:30:54.765 --> 00:30:56.071
- How does this play out now?

556
00:30:56.115 --> 00:30:59.509
- Now we have the same Putin,

557
00:30:59.553 --> 00:31:01.729
but we have
absolutely different Ukraine

558
00:31:01.772 --> 00:31:05.864
and absolutely different mood
in your country.

559
00:31:05.907 --> 00:31:07.387
- While Zelensky had coalesced

560
00:31:07.430 --> 00:31:09.389
a new centrism in Ukraine,

561
00:31:09.432 --> 00:31:11.260
the United States
had fallen into

562
00:31:11.304 --> 00:31:14.089
a populist lap dance
of extremes.

563
00:31:14.133 --> 00:31:16.962
We'd all been feeling
the unimaginatively toxic

564
00:31:17.005 --> 00:31:19.181
divisiveness at home,

565
00:31:19.225 --> 00:31:20.966
so to see Ukraine's vibrant,
young,

566
00:31:21.009 --> 00:31:23.446
and united democracy downrage

567
00:31:23.490 --> 00:31:26.188
of Russian tyranny
was chilling.

568
00:31:44.467 --> 00:31:46.992
- If Putin goes
full-strength forward

569
00:31:47.035 --> 00:31:48.689
using conventional weapons,

570
00:31:48.732 --> 00:31:50.865
is Ukraine ready?

571
00:31:50.909 --> 00:31:53.868
[rock music]

572
00:31:53.912 --> 00:31:55.957
♪

573
00:32:10.841 --> 00:32:12.234
[gunfire]

574
00:32:14.933 --> 00:32:15.934
- [shouts in native language]

575
00:32:23.463 --> 00:32:24.638
- [singing in native language]

576
00:33:17.865 --> 00:33:21.303
- I want protect my country,
my mom, my family.

577
00:33:21.347 --> 00:33:25.525
To protect democracy is
really important to everyone.

578
00:33:25.568 --> 00:33:28.180
All Ukrainians,
we all is strong.

579
00:33:28.223 --> 00:33:31.922
And I know that our future
is great and big

580
00:33:31.966 --> 00:33:33.446
for everyone Ukrainian.

581
00:33:59.298 --> 00:34:02.779
- In a 2005 address
to the Russian Federation

582
00:34:02.823 --> 00:34:05.347
Putin said,
"We are a free nation,

583
00:34:05.391 --> 00:34:07.306
"and our place
in the modern world

584
00:34:07.349 --> 00:34:09.786
"will be defined
only by how successful

585
00:34:09.830 --> 00:34:11.353
and strong we are."

586
00:34:11.397 --> 00:34:13.572
His statement played out
as mockery

587
00:34:13.616 --> 00:34:15.444
in the absolutely
authoritarianism

588
00:34:15.487 --> 00:34:18.056
he'd adopted
in the years that followed.

589
00:34:18.099 --> 00:34:20.275
But its true embodiment
was happening

590
00:34:20.319 --> 00:34:22.234
in the sovereign Ukraine.

591
00:34:22.277 --> 00:34:25.498
And we could feel
its simmering unification.

592
00:34:25.541 --> 00:34:27.587
It was a different kind
of air I was breathing.

593
00:34:27.630 --> 00:34:29.545
[drum thumping]

594
00:34:48.216 --> 00:34:51.176
[dramatic music]

595
00:34:51.219 --> 00:34:53.003
♪

596
00:34:53.047 --> 00:34:55.918
- [singing in native language]

597
00:34:55.963 --> 00:35:01.403
♪

598
00:35:43.706 --> 00:35:47.449
[cheers and applause]

599
00:35:47.493 --> 00:35:48.624
- So fucking great.

600
00:35:48.668 --> 00:35:51.236
[cheers and applause]

601
00:35:51.279 --> 00:35:54.239
[tense music]

602
00:35:54.282 --> 00:35:56.066
♪

603
00:35:56.110 --> 00:35:58.199
- There has been a dramatic
and worrying shift

604
00:35:58.243 --> 00:36:02.290
in Russia's readiness to
attack in the past 48 hours.

605
00:36:02.334 --> 00:36:04.423
Russia has now moved
rocket launchers

606
00:36:04.466 --> 00:36:09.341
and long-range artillery
into firing positions.

607
00:36:09.384 --> 00:36:11.343
- Vladimir Putin,
in a dramatic escalation,

608
00:36:11.386 --> 00:36:13.432
announcing tonight
he's sending Russian troops

609
00:36:13.475 --> 00:36:15.216
into eastern Ukraine.

610
00:36:40.937 --> 00:36:47.770
♪

611
00:36:47.814 --> 00:36:48.989
- Hello.

612
00:36:49.032 --> 00:36:50.773
- Fernando,
we have a camera on you.

613
00:36:50.817 --> 00:36:52.166
- Okay.

614
00:36:52.210 --> 00:36:53.515
- What was your impression

615
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:54.995
of Putin's speech
the other night?

616
00:37:02.437 --> 00:37:06.224
- But what is your
human perception

617
00:37:06.267 --> 00:37:08.617
of his state of mind?

618
00:37:12.230 --> 00:37:17.191
♪

619
00:37:17.235 --> 00:37:20.150
- Up until last night
I had some faith

620
00:37:20.194 --> 00:37:24.503
that maybe there is some plan
that Putin had in his mind,

621
00:37:24.546 --> 00:37:27.070
bust just on his demeanor

622
00:37:27.114 --> 00:37:28.507
he may not be rational,

623
00:37:28.550 --> 00:37:30.291
and maybe we should seriously
consider the fact

624
00:37:30.335 --> 00:37:33.163
that there's a madman
in Europe again.

625
00:37:33.207 --> 00:37:34.556
- I don't think
he's an irrational man.

626
00:37:34.600 --> 00:37:35.949
I don't think it was
a crazy speech.

627
00:37:35.992 --> 00:37:37.516
- He challenged Ukraine's right
to exist.

628
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:41.302
- He makes all sorts
of absurd assertions,

629
00:37:41.346 --> 00:37:43.739
like, you know,
"Ukrainians are attacking

630
00:37:43.783 --> 00:37:45.915
Russian soil"
and that sort of thing,

631
00:37:45.959 --> 00:37:48.614
but in some ways I think the
point that he's making is that,

632
00:37:48.657 --> 00:37:52.313
"You Americans behave this way
for decades already.

633
00:37:52.357 --> 00:37:55.055
And now I'm gonna behave
this way myself."

634
00:37:55.098 --> 00:37:56.622
And I think Zelensky
has a problem,

635
00:37:56.665 --> 00:37:58.188
because he's the target.

636
00:37:58.232 --> 00:37:59.581
They want a regime change here.

637
00:38:06.022 --> 00:38:07.067
- People would never support
some puppet--

638
00:38:07.110 --> 00:38:08.198
- No, no, no.
- No.

639
00:38:08.242 --> 00:38:09.635
- Isn't it ridiculous, though,

640
00:38:09.678 --> 00:38:12.594
that they got to this point
because of their hubris.

641
00:38:12.638 --> 00:38:14.857
Zelensky comes to power saying,

642
00:38:14.901 --> 00:38:16.511
"I can make a deal.

643
00:38:16.555 --> 00:38:19.601
"I'm not particularly wedded
to any ideological position.

644
00:38:19.645 --> 00:38:21.821
"Language, politics,
don't care about it.

645
00:38:21.864 --> 00:38:23.126
"Ukrainization,
don't care about it.

646
00:38:23.170 --> 00:38:24.780
"I just want peace.

647
00:38:24.824 --> 00:38:26.391
I want everybody in Ukraine
to live like what they want."

648
00:38:26.434 --> 00:38:28.262
He says,
"Let's have a dialogue."

649
00:38:28.306 --> 00:38:29.655
None of it works.

650
00:38:29.698 --> 00:38:32.048
Putin says,
"Meh, meh, no, no deal."

651
00:38:32.092 --> 00:38:33.223
I--you know--
- "You're a nationalist."

652
00:38:33.267 --> 00:38:34.442
- Yeah, "You're a nationalist."

653
00:38:34.486 --> 00:38:36.575
And he keeps calling him
a Nazi Jew.

654
00:38:36.618 --> 00:38:38.881
Putin kept calling him
a nationalist so many times

655
00:38:38.925 --> 00:38:41.275
that ultimately it's like,
"Okay, fine.

656
00:38:41.319 --> 00:38:44.713
NATO, I'm gonna speak Ukrainian
in public all the time."

657
00:38:44.757 --> 00:38:47.412
'Cause there's nothing that
the people in the Kremlin

658
00:38:47.455 --> 00:38:50.371
are willing to do in order
to make a dialogue happen.

659
00:38:50.415 --> 00:38:52.330
- Isn't it a story of, like
Russia's policy

660
00:38:52.373 --> 00:38:53.505
against Ukraine
the last eight years?

661
00:38:53.548 --> 00:38:54.941
Every single things
they've done

662
00:38:54.984 --> 00:38:56.203
has completely backfired
on them.

663
00:38:56.246 --> 00:38:57.291
- Totally.
- They thought they'd launch

664
00:38:57.335 --> 00:38:59.511
a war to split
this country apart,

665
00:38:59.554 --> 00:39:00.860
and it actually unified
the country.

666
00:39:00.903 --> 00:39:03.341
And I think in my
interpretation last night is,

667
00:39:03.384 --> 00:39:04.733
this is about vengeance.

668
00:39:04.777 --> 00:39:06.431
He's angry.

669
00:39:06.474 --> 00:39:08.650
This country wants to divorce
itself from Russia forever,

670
00:39:08.694 --> 00:39:10.086
and he wants it back.

671
00:39:10.130 --> 00:39:12.350
- Yeah, and there's
this ideology in Russia

672
00:39:12.393 --> 00:39:14.830
Slovak people can't have
a democracy,

673
00:39:14.874 --> 00:39:16.310
and, you know,
Russians actually believe it,

674
00:39:16.354 --> 00:39:17.920
and then, if, you know,
if they have something

675
00:39:17.964 --> 00:39:20.096
that's successful here, it is
an existential threat to them.

676
00:39:46.601 --> 00:39:48.081
- We're looking
at something now,

677
00:39:48.124 --> 00:39:50.823
we're gonna have air power,
missiles, cyberattacks,

678
00:39:50.866 --> 00:39:52.302
jamming GPS.

679
00:39:52.346 --> 00:39:53.391
It's--

680
00:39:53.434 --> 00:39:55.654
- If it happens like that.

681
00:39:55.697 --> 00:39:57.264
- But I think if--if--

682
00:39:57.307 --> 00:39:59.440
- I think the chances
are up to 10% of--

683
00:39:59.484 --> 00:40:00.702
- Ooh.

684
00:40:00.746 --> 00:40:02.269
- I say, for me,
it's 50/50 right now.

685
00:40:02.312 --> 00:40:05.707
- 50/50 of Kyiv on fire.
- Yes.

686
00:40:05.751 --> 00:40:07.317
- I mean, I just think
the U.S. government

687
00:40:07.361 --> 00:40:09.319
isn't worrying
about these things for nothing.

688
00:40:09.363 --> 00:40:10.495
[tense music]

689
00:40:10.538 --> 00:40:12.932
- Have you been to Russia?

690
00:40:12.975 --> 00:40:17.327
♪

691
00:40:17.371 --> 00:40:20.200
- In 2001 Jack Nicholson
and I had a film

692
00:40:20.243 --> 00:40:24.160
at the Moscow Film Festival.

693
00:40:24.204 --> 00:40:26.511
That night has become
a deviant memory.

694
00:40:26.554 --> 00:40:31.690
♪

695
00:40:31.733 --> 00:40:34.693
[ominous music]

696
00:40:34.736 --> 00:40:37.478
♪

697
00:40:37.522 --> 00:40:39.828
- Rising tension has prompted
the United States

698
00:40:39.872 --> 00:40:43.397
to remove its personnel from
the U.S. embassy in Ukraine.

699
00:40:43.441 --> 00:40:44.790
- The U.S. State Department

700
00:40:44.833 --> 00:40:47.140
issuing its highest level,
level 4,

701
00:40:47.183 --> 00:40:48.663
"do not travel" advisory.

702
00:40:48.707 --> 00:40:50.839
[siren wailing]

703
00:40:50.883 --> 00:40:54.843
- It felt increasingly
like Putin's special operation

704
00:40:54.887 --> 00:40:56.454
was coming our way.

705
00:41:04.853 --> 00:41:08.030
- The U.S. is rushing more
military aid to the country,

706
00:41:08.074 --> 00:41:09.728
the first shipment

707
00:41:09.771 --> 00:41:11.904
of a new $200 million
package arriving,

708
00:41:11.947 --> 00:41:13.601
including ammunition.

709
00:41:13.645 --> 00:41:16.169
- You are likely
in the last few hours

710
00:41:16.212 --> 00:41:18.911
of peace
on the European continent

711
00:41:18.954 --> 00:41:20.608
for a long time to come.

712
00:41:20.652 --> 00:41:23.437
- Vladimir Putin
has just addressed

713
00:41:23.481 --> 00:41:26.179
the Russian people moments ago
announcing what Putin called

714
00:41:26.222 --> 00:41:28.529
the start of
a military special operation,

715
00:41:28.573 --> 00:41:32.228
in his words,
to demilitarize Ukraine.

716
00:41:32.272 --> 00:41:34.535
- We may be witnessing now
what is the beginning

717
00:41:34.579 --> 00:41:39.888
of the bloodiest conflict
in Europe since World War II.

718
00:41:39.932 --> 00:41:42.543
- Russian president
Vladimir Putin

719
00:41:42.587 --> 00:41:45.938
has 150,000-plus troops
near the border.

720
00:41:56.426 --> 00:41:57.732
- Russia has got forces
effectively

721
00:41:57.776 --> 00:41:59.342
surrounding Ukraine
on three sides,

722
00:41:59.386 --> 00:42:01.170
by land and sea and air.

723
00:42:18.187 --> 00:42:20.363
- We were nearing the end
of our scheduled week in Kyiv

724
00:42:20.407 --> 00:42:22.714
when we got the called
we'd been waiting for.

725
00:42:22.757 --> 00:42:25.934
It was February 23, 2022,

726
00:42:25.978 --> 00:42:27.980
when our first
in-person meeting

727
00:42:28.023 --> 00:42:29.416
with President Zelensky
would happen.

728
00:42:32.288 --> 00:42:33.768
We did not bring our cameras.

729
00:42:33.812 --> 00:42:36.728
I myself am suspicious
of trusts built

730
00:42:36.771 --> 00:42:38.817
on electronic communications.

731
00:42:38.860 --> 00:42:40.906
I wanted the president
to have an opportunity

732
00:42:40.949 --> 00:42:43.909
of sizing me up in person
before asking him to commit

733
00:42:43.952 --> 00:42:46.520
to participate in our film.

734
00:42:46.564 --> 00:42:49.175
By the end of our meeting
he did indeed commit to us

735
00:42:49.218 --> 00:42:52.613
bringing out cameras
on the following day.

736
00:42:52.657 --> 00:42:55.616
On any other day
I might have been ecstatic.

737
00:42:55.660 --> 00:42:59.054
But this was not anyone's
average day on planet Earth.

738
00:42:59.098 --> 00:43:02.536
And both this warm,
young president I'd just met

739
00:43:02.580 --> 00:43:04.712
and his nation were in

740
00:43:04.756 --> 00:43:07.019
a heart-wrenching degree
of danger.

741
00:43:07.062 --> 00:43:09.630
[siren wailing]

742
00:43:09.674 --> 00:43:12.154
- Sean, I just talked
to the security guy.

743
00:43:12.198 --> 00:43:14.679
We have to leave the country
in the morning.

744
00:43:14.722 --> 00:43:17.725
Yeah, so we'll try to meet
the president tomorrow.

745
00:43:17.769 --> 00:43:19.509
- There's a big difference
in my conversation

746
00:43:19.553 --> 00:43:23.644
about leaving one day early
versus leaving tomorrow.

747
00:43:23.688 --> 00:43:26.604
I don't--I'm not prepared
to leave tomorrow.

748
00:43:31.434 --> 00:43:34.524
Who do you think you are,
Geraldo Rivera?

749
00:43:34.568 --> 00:43:37.527
[dramatic music]

750
00:43:37.571 --> 00:43:43.142
♪

751
00:43:43.185 --> 00:43:46.580
- The war in Ukraine
has begun.

752
00:43:46.624 --> 00:43:50.497
- Three explosions rocked the
capital of Kyiv this morning.

753
00:43:50.540 --> 00:43:52.238
A rocket hit
an apartment building

754
00:43:52.281 --> 00:43:53.674
starting a fire.

755
00:43:53.718 --> 00:43:57.635
- When was the last time
you heard something?

756
00:43:57.678 --> 00:44:01.116
- Like, that was, like,
a half an hour ago.

757
00:44:01.160 --> 00:44:03.336
I heard, like,
the sounds of explosions.

758
00:44:03.379 --> 00:44:04.990
- If we need them
at some point,

759
00:44:05.033 --> 00:44:06.992
who's providing vests,
helmets, and all that shit?

760
00:44:07.035 --> 00:44:09.821
- Peter.
- Okay.

761
00:44:09.864 --> 00:44:12.606
- I mean, we just got
a call that there was--

762
00:44:12.650 --> 00:44:14.347
- They had two impacts
in town.

763
00:44:14.390 --> 00:44:15.914
[loud explosion]

764
00:44:15.957 --> 00:44:18.830
[alarm blaring]

765
00:44:18.873 --> 00:44:20.309
They're hitting the airport.
- No.

766
00:44:20.353 --> 00:44:22.747
- Yeah.
- Fucking A.

767
00:44:22.790 --> 00:44:24.705
- Airspace shut down.

768
00:44:40.242 --> 00:44:42.941
- I agree.

769
00:44:42.984 --> 00:44:45.987
[tense music]

770
00:44:46.031 --> 00:44:47.423
- What are we doing?

771
00:44:47.467 --> 00:44:49.338
- Just going over
to the InterContinental,

772
00:44:49.382 --> 00:44:50.905
find out what's going on,
because nobody here

773
00:44:50.949 --> 00:44:53.081
seems to know what's going on.

774
00:44:53.125 --> 00:44:55.431
No maps, nothing.
They'll have stuff...

775
00:44:59.871 --> 00:45:01.220
- Fuck it.

776
00:45:01.263 --> 00:45:03.004
- We're just going to go
to the InterContinental,

777
00:45:03.048 --> 00:45:04.266
that hotel right there.
- Right. Right.

778
00:45:04.310 --> 00:45:06.051
- To that?
- Just the hotel right there.

779
00:45:06.094 --> 00:45:07.705
- To that hotel that is
on the opposite side?

780
00:45:07.748 --> 00:45:08.662
- Yeah.

781
00:45:14.624 --> 00:45:17.758
[horn honking]

782
00:45:17.802 --> 00:45:24.678
♪

783
00:45:48.049 --> 00:45:51.009
- And it says, like,
the recent rocket attacks--

784
00:45:51.052 --> 00:45:53.141
- Rocket attacks?

785
00:45:53.185 --> 00:45:56.231
I hear ya.
I hear ya.

786
00:45:56.275 --> 00:45:58.581
- Here.
- Thanks.

787
00:45:58.625 --> 00:46:04.152
I just heard
from Robert O'Brien.

788
00:46:04.196 --> 00:46:05.806
He said, "Get the fuck out."

789
00:46:05.850 --> 00:46:07.068
[dramatic music]

790
00:46:07.112 --> 00:46:09.244
- The U.S. did hear
from the president

791
00:46:09.288 --> 00:46:11.507
of Ukraine earlier tonight.

792
00:46:11.551 --> 00:46:13.814
He's there.
He has not fled his country.

793
00:46:13.858 --> 00:46:16.861
- He obviously is determined
to say.

794
00:46:36.010 --> 00:46:38.752
[air raid siren blaring]

795
00:46:38.796 --> 00:46:40.710
- Your attention, please.

796
00:46:40.754 --> 00:46:43.191
There is second-level threat
in country.

797
00:46:43.235 --> 00:46:45.150
We'll leave upon you
the decision

798
00:46:45.193 --> 00:46:48.022
to leave the hotel or stay.

799
00:46:48.066 --> 00:46:51.243
We'll help to organize this
at a point in the hotel.

800
00:46:51.286 --> 00:46:54.463
In a crisis,
you will get the shelter.

801
00:46:54.507 --> 00:46:57.162
In the announcement
of this threat,

802
00:46:57.205 --> 00:46:59.599
use stairwell
down to the lobby.

803
00:46:59.642 --> 00:47:01.862
Follow staff instructions.

804
00:47:01.906 --> 00:47:03.081
You will be leaded
to the shelter place.

805
00:47:03.124 --> 00:47:04.865
- The air raid sirens
had escorted us

806
00:47:04.909 --> 00:47:07.781
into the day break
of the 24th.

807
00:47:07.825 --> 00:47:10.697
The modern country
was suddenly at war.

808
00:47:10.740 --> 00:47:14.179
It was a sad, surreal,
and shocking day.

809
00:47:14.222 --> 00:47:16.094
But admittedly,
one also surrenders

810
00:47:16.137 --> 00:47:17.965
to some exhilaration.

811
00:47:18.009 --> 00:47:21.403
It keeps you awake when sleep
is a distant memory.

812
00:47:21.447 --> 00:47:23.666
And though completely
unexpected,

813
00:47:23.710 --> 00:47:25.668
the president's office
confirmed

814
00:47:25.712 --> 00:47:29.194
that the president would still
keep our appointment.

815
00:47:29.237 --> 00:47:31.805
♪

816
00:47:31.849 --> 00:47:35.069
- President Biden unleashed
new sanctions against Russia.

817
00:47:35.113 --> 00:47:37.811
- This aggression
cannot go unanswered.

818
00:47:37.855 --> 00:47:41.902
America stands up to bullies.
We stand up for freedom.

819
00:47:41.946 --> 00:47:44.296
- President Biden
has said again and again

820
00:47:44.339 --> 00:47:47.473
no U.S. troops
will be involved in this war.

821
00:47:47.516 --> 00:47:50.128
- I assumed that journalist
and quasi-journalists

822
00:47:50.171 --> 00:47:52.521
around the world would scoff,

823
00:47:52.565 --> 00:47:54.915
but there was not one cell
in my body

824
00:47:54.959 --> 00:47:57.831
willing to prepare a question
for the president,

825
00:47:57.875 --> 00:48:00.703
not on a day like this.

826
00:48:00.747 --> 00:48:02.836
I hoped the film
would be useful.

827
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:04.403
That's about it.

828
00:48:04.446 --> 00:48:07.667
♪

829
00:48:36.261 --> 00:48:39.090
- This is the center
of the universe

830
00:48:39.133 --> 00:48:43.094
for democracy today,
right now.

831
00:49:07.857 --> 00:49:09.555
- Okay, we have
ten minutes for that.

832
00:49:09.598 --> 00:49:12.471
[both speaking
native language]

833
00:49:12.514 --> 00:49:14.386
[indistinct chatter]

834
00:49:20.087 --> 00:49:27.399
♪

835
00:49:28.661 --> 00:49:30.968
- We knew by that time
about the Russian commandos

836
00:49:31.011 --> 00:49:33.187
that had taken the airport.

837
00:49:33.231 --> 00:49:35.407
And that was only
about 15 kilometers away.

838
00:49:35.450 --> 00:49:37.539
[explosion]

839
00:49:37.583 --> 00:49:39.715
There was talk
about how long it would take

840
00:49:39.759 --> 00:49:43.589
for the Russians
to completely encircle Kyiv.

841
00:49:43.632 --> 00:49:48.202
It was imminent.

842
00:49:48.246 --> 00:49:55.166
♪

843
00:49:59.735 --> 00:50:02.564
- Hi.

844
00:50:04.610 --> 00:50:06.481
- I'm well.

845
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:12.678
♪

846
00:51:12.721 --> 00:51:15.811
- [speaking in native language]

847
00:51:50.019 --> 00:51:52.196
- To be here at this time,
in this country,

848
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:54.633
with you,
with your countrymen,

849
00:51:54.676 --> 00:51:58.419
I mean, there's so much
inspiration to be had here.

850
00:52:32.453 --> 00:52:33.802
- Where does it end?
I mean, what does he want?

851
00:52:33.846 --> 00:52:36.109
What does he--what is the--

852
00:53:29.075 --> 00:53:30.685
- Rosa arrange this.
- Yes. Right.

853
00:53:30.729 --> 00:53:32.774
[indistinct chatter]

854
00:53:38.780 --> 00:53:41.218
- Please don't say
you were in the bunker.

855
00:53:41.261 --> 00:53:42.610
- No.

856
00:53:42.654 --> 00:53:43.437
- You say only
Office of President.

857
00:53:43.481 --> 00:53:47.049
- Okay.

858
00:53:49.095 --> 00:53:52.751
Oh, man.

859
00:53:52.794 --> 00:53:55.406
- Right.
No, we're the good guys.

860
00:53:59.279 --> 00:54:00.193
- Yeah.

861
00:54:02.456 --> 00:54:04.371
- Yeah.

862
00:54:06.155 --> 00:54:07.896
- Yeah.

863
00:54:14.816 --> 00:54:17.341
Bye-bye.

864
00:54:22.694 --> 00:54:25.174
- Yeah.

865
00:54:29.570 --> 00:54:31.137
Who's the Zoom with?

866
00:54:31.180 --> 00:54:33.618
- With Ksenia Sobchak--Russia--
who's staying in Moscow.

867
00:54:33.661 --> 00:54:35.924
- Okay, but is it on TV
or just a person?

868
00:54:35.968 --> 00:54:37.578
- On TV.
- You think it's TV?

869
00:54:37.622 --> 00:54:38.623
- Yes.
- Russian TV?

870
00:54:38.666 --> 00:54:40.102
- Russian TV.
- Okay.

871
00:54:40.146 --> 00:54:42.714
All right, let me tell him.

872
00:54:58.338 --> 00:55:00.819
- Thank you for coming out
to our broadcast.

873
00:55:00.862 --> 00:55:05.214
Sean, tell us, please,
where are you, first of all?

874
00:55:05.258 --> 00:55:06.781
- I am in Kyiv.

875
00:55:06.825 --> 00:55:08.957
- Why you're in Kyiv?

876
00:55:09.001 --> 00:55:11.438
Were you aware
of the threat

877
00:55:11.482 --> 00:55:13.310
you're facing there?

878
00:55:13.353 --> 00:55:15.747
- Well, I think all reasonable
people were considering

879
00:55:15.790 --> 00:55:17.270
all possibilities.

880
00:55:17.314 --> 00:55:20.360
- As far as I know,
as far as I understand,

881
00:55:20.404 --> 00:55:24.408
today you met with
President Zelensky.

882
00:55:24.451 --> 00:55:27.889
What were the things
you were discussing?

883
00:55:27.933 --> 00:55:31.545
- What an unimaginable
position--

884
00:55:31.589 --> 00:55:35.157
it is my thought--
that any man or woman

885
00:55:35.201 --> 00:55:37.116
in this world could be in.

886
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:40.989
I believe with everything
in my heart

887
00:55:41.033 --> 00:55:42.948
that this is a man of love,

888
00:55:42.991 --> 00:55:47.822
intelligence, and courage,

889
00:55:47.866 --> 00:55:52.218
and I still believe
love is proving itself

890
00:55:52.261 --> 00:55:54.786
to be the most powerful weapon
on Earth.

891
00:55:58.093 --> 00:56:00.922
- Protests tonight
across Russia

892
00:56:00.966 --> 00:56:03.316
in more than 50 cities.

893
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:06.406
- How much resistance
is there to President Putin?

894
00:56:09.278 --> 00:56:10.410
- These Russians

895
00:56:10.454 --> 00:56:13.587
need to be the example
of peace

896
00:56:13.631 --> 00:56:14.893
for the rest of the world.

897
00:56:14.936 --> 00:56:17.156
This is the height
of that moment

898
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:19.332
in my lifetime, certainly,

899
00:56:19.376 --> 00:56:23.728
and I think we can all assume,
perhaps, ever.

900
00:56:23.771 --> 00:56:28.385
♪

901
00:56:32.214 --> 00:56:34.478
[tense music]

902
00:57:01.766 --> 00:57:03.985
Okay, any questions?
- Yes.

903
00:57:04.029 --> 00:57:05.987
Is there a weapon in the bunch?
Where is it?

904
00:57:07.249 --> 00:57:13.168
♪

905
00:58:10.399 --> 00:58:12.793
- Oh, my God.

906
00:58:20.584 --> 00:58:27.504
♪

907
00:58:31.203 --> 00:58:33.161
- Russia's brutal war
on Ukraine

908
00:58:33.205 --> 00:58:34.728
begins its second day.

909
00:58:34.772 --> 00:58:41.692
♪

910
00:58:43.607 --> 00:58:44.869
- Right now, I--

911
00:58:44.912 --> 00:58:46.348
we've been, like,

912
00:58:46.392 --> 00:58:50.135
for the last 12 hours,
we've been on the road

913
00:58:50.178 --> 00:58:52.616
kind of zigzagging to get
to the Polish border

914
00:58:52.659 --> 00:58:56.533
going a foot at a time
in cars on different roads,

915
00:58:56.576 --> 00:58:59.753
because they
bombed out a bridge on one,

916
00:58:59.797 --> 00:59:02.713
and it's just a lot of,
you know--

917
00:59:02.756 --> 00:59:04.453
but I'm completely fine.

918
00:59:04.497 --> 00:59:07.500
And we got to shoot
with the president.

919
00:59:07.544 --> 00:59:09.676
Just moving.

920
00:59:09.720 --> 00:59:12.331
- Ukrainian president
Zelensky

921
00:59:12.374 --> 00:59:13.854
remains in the capital

922
00:59:13.898 --> 00:59:15.464
despite threats
from the Kremlin

923
00:59:15.508 --> 00:59:16.683
against his young family.

924
00:59:23.864 --> 00:59:27.041
- Reports emerged the Americans
had offered an evacuation,

925
00:59:27.085 --> 00:59:31.089
to which
Mr. Zelensky replied...

926
00:59:56.636 --> 00:59:59.247
- How many kilometers
away are we, 20?

927
00:59:59.291 --> 01:00:00.771
- About 28.

928
01:00:00.814 --> 01:00:03.904
- Hey. Yeah, so we're just
going to abandon this.

929
01:00:03.948 --> 01:00:06.472
There's no order to it.

930
01:00:06.515 --> 01:00:08.648
♪

931
01:00:08.692 --> 01:00:09.954
- Let's see if there's
a dirt road

932
01:00:09.997 --> 01:00:12.565
behind those trees.

933
01:00:34.326 --> 01:00:36.894
- All right, this is it?
This is all we're taking?

934
01:00:50.037 --> 01:00:51.560
You're going to take that
backpack and your other bag.

935
01:00:51.604 --> 01:00:52.997
- I got it.
- You need to put the backpack

936
01:00:53.040 --> 01:00:54.433
on properly.

937
01:00:54.476 --> 01:00:55.652
- Hey.
How you doing?

938
01:00:55.695 --> 01:00:56.696
- Hey. How are you?

939
01:01:00.526 --> 01:01:02.310
- It is, man.
It is. It is.

940
01:01:02.354 --> 01:01:05.183
My wife's devastated.

941
01:01:05.226 --> 01:01:06.706
- It's unbelievable.
It's surreal.

942
01:01:06.750 --> 01:01:08.186
- It's crazy.

943
01:01:08.229 --> 01:01:10.667
- Come on, Mick.

944
01:01:10.710 --> 01:01:12.059
- Now they're just
picking up everyone.

945
01:01:12.103 --> 01:01:13.713
- Yeah.

946
01:01:13.757 --> 01:01:17.195
- I mean, it's unreal
what's happening.

947
01:01:17.238 --> 01:01:20.807
- Yeah, man. Mickey.
- Yeah?

948
01:01:24.637 --> 01:01:26.117
- All right, man.
- All right, man, cool.

949
01:01:26.160 --> 01:01:29.076
[light music]

950
01:01:29.120 --> 01:01:31.426
♪

951
01:01:31.470 --> 01:01:34.734
- While the men of Ukraine
ages 18 to 60

952
01:01:34.778 --> 01:01:36.431
were compelled
to stay in country

953
01:01:36.475 --> 01:01:38.695
and get into the fight,

954
01:01:38.738 --> 01:01:42.524
women and children dominantly
occupied these miles and miles

955
01:01:42.568 --> 01:01:46.354
of cars inching their way
toward the Polish border.

956
01:01:46.398 --> 01:01:50.619
These heroic women set off
to a different front line

957
01:01:50.663 --> 01:01:53.187
and the heartbreak
of husbands, fathers,

958
01:01:53.231 --> 01:01:55.799
brothers, sons,
and businesses

959
01:01:55.842 --> 01:01:57.801
all left behind.

960
01:01:57.844 --> 01:02:00.934
They fled for their
children's safety,

961
01:02:00.978 --> 01:02:06.984
many without any certain
destination or support.

962
01:02:07.027 --> 01:02:10.204
Just three days earlier,
they were you and me.

963
01:02:12.163 --> 01:02:13.599
[air raid siren blaring]

964
01:02:13.642 --> 01:02:15.732
- War has returned to Europe.

965
01:02:15.775 --> 01:02:18.473
- Explosions and the exodus
are only the beginning.

966
01:02:22.564 --> 01:02:23.783
all: Stand with Ukraine!

967
01:02:23.827 --> 01:02:25.089
- The Russian invasion
of Ukraine

968
01:02:25.132 --> 01:02:27.134
continues to spark an outcry.

969
01:02:27.178 --> 01:02:29.267
[crowd chanting
in native language]

970
01:02:29.310 --> 01:02:31.008
- People around the globe
are rallying

971
01:02:31.051 --> 01:02:32.879
in solidarity with Ukraine.

972
01:02:36.448 --> 01:02:37.971
- My feeling is,

973
01:02:38.015 --> 01:02:40.713
I'd rather fail, you know,
trying in my little way

974
01:02:40.757 --> 01:02:45.500
to be a uniter, you know, by
going and talking to somebody

975
01:02:45.544 --> 01:02:47.676
who's already labeled me
full screen

976
01:02:47.720 --> 01:02:49.287
the enemy of the state.

977
01:02:49.330 --> 01:02:50.810
- And finally tonight,
the enemy of the state.

978
01:02:50.854 --> 01:02:52.420
This week,
actor, activist,

979
01:02:52.464 --> 01:02:54.248
and all-around
very angry man

980
01:02:54.292 --> 01:02:56.685
Sean Penn
takes the honors.

981
01:02:56.729 --> 01:02:59.601
You are this week's
enemy of the state.

982
01:02:59.645 --> 01:03:01.081
- I flip between Fox and CNN.

983
01:03:01.125 --> 01:03:03.040
And, like, each time,
it's like,

984
01:03:03.083 --> 01:03:05.607
"Sean Penn's
going on 'Hannity.'"

985
01:03:05.651 --> 01:03:09.786
- The least we can do to honor
what they're doing is try.

986
01:03:12.397 --> 01:03:15.226
It was important for him
to get the word out

987
01:03:15.269 --> 01:03:16.967
about what he had seen,
what he had heard,

988
01:03:17.010 --> 01:03:18.055
what he had experienced.

989
01:03:18.098 --> 01:03:19.360
- It's a pleasure.

990
01:03:19.404 --> 01:03:21.885
Thanks for everything.
You've been great.

991
01:03:21.928 --> 01:03:24.844
[light music]

992
01:03:24.888 --> 01:03:27.412
♪

993
01:03:27.455 --> 01:03:30.502
- If you were on this set,
99 out of 100 times,

994
01:03:30.545 --> 01:03:33.244
we probably would be
in full disagreement, right?

995
01:03:33.287 --> 01:03:34.593
- No question about that.

996
01:03:34.636 --> 01:03:36.551
I don't trust you.
- [laughs]

997
01:03:36.595 --> 01:03:38.597
Is there a reason
you didn't trust me?

998
01:03:38.640 --> 01:03:40.120
- Yeah, there's a lot
of reasons I don't trust you,

999
01:03:40.164 --> 01:03:42.731
but I don't think
that I've got time

1000
01:03:42.775 --> 01:03:45.560
to indulge my lack of trust,

1001
01:03:45.604 --> 01:03:47.475
which it becomes a petty thing

1002
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:49.913
as people and babies
are being vaporized.

1003
01:03:49.956 --> 01:03:52.524
- A lot of the world didn't
think that Putin would do it.

1004
01:03:52.567 --> 01:03:53.873
I did think he would.

1005
01:03:53.917 --> 01:03:55.222
So you get there.

1006
01:03:55.266 --> 01:03:57.050
You're interviewing Zelensky
at this time.

1007
01:03:57.094 --> 01:03:58.573
Did he see this coming?

1008
01:03:58.617 --> 01:04:00.314
Did he believe
that this was real?

1009
01:04:00.358 --> 01:04:01.707
- Yes.

1010
01:04:01.750 --> 01:04:04.057
He is the face of something
that you see

1011
01:04:04.101 --> 01:04:07.800
in all the Ukrainians we saw
and talked to

1012
01:04:07.844 --> 01:04:10.542
whether they were in uniform,
out of uniform,

1013
01:04:10.585 --> 01:04:13.675
schoolteachers,
even children,

1014
01:04:13.719 --> 01:04:16.548
this extraordinary courage
that's come up.

1015
01:04:16.591 --> 01:04:20.857
It is clear to me that the
Ukrainians will win this.

1016
01:04:20.900 --> 01:04:22.728
The question is,
at what cost?

1017
01:04:22.771 --> 01:04:24.295
- In this buildup

1018
01:04:24.338 --> 01:04:27.776
I thought NATO countries
and Western European countries

1019
01:04:27.820 --> 01:04:30.605
and the U.S.
should have been arming

1020
01:04:30.649 --> 01:04:32.781
the Ukrainians for that moment.

1021
01:04:32.825 --> 01:04:34.871
- This could happen
tomorrow also.

1022
01:04:34.914 --> 01:04:37.264
We could get F-15s, F-16s in.

1023
01:04:37.308 --> 01:04:39.223
Then they can fly those
with three weeks of training.

1024
01:04:39.266 --> 01:04:41.399
They can fly the MiGs
and the Sus now.

1025
01:04:41.442 --> 01:04:43.923
- Poland offered--what was it--
28 or 29 MiGs.

1026
01:04:43.967 --> 01:04:45.316
- Yeah.

1027
01:04:45.359 --> 01:04:47.927
- Every report says Joe Biden
vetoed that.

1028
01:04:47.971 --> 01:04:49.189
Forget politics.

1029
01:04:49.233 --> 01:04:50.843
- Not everybody says
he vetoed it.

1030
01:04:50.887 --> 01:04:53.324
- Whoever vetoed it,
Ronald Reagan had a doctrine.

1031
01:04:53.367 --> 01:04:56.283
And the doctrine was in the
case of the former Soviet Union

1032
01:04:56.327 --> 01:04:58.938
invading Afghanistan
in the '80s,

1033
01:04:58.982 --> 01:05:01.332
he supplied Stinger missiles
to the mujahideen.

1034
01:05:01.375 --> 01:05:03.334
I support that doctrine.

1035
01:05:03.377 --> 01:05:05.205
I support the Trump doctrine
that,

1036
01:05:05.249 --> 01:05:08.078
if you're gonna fight a war
you push buttons

1037
01:05:08.121 --> 01:05:11.124
using new military weaponry
and technology,

1038
01:05:11.168 --> 01:05:12.386
and you bomb the shit out of--

1039
01:05:12.430 --> 01:05:13.648
- Okay, but I would argue...
- Hang on.

1040
01:05:13.692 --> 01:05:15.128
- You've made this political,

1041
01:05:15.172 --> 01:05:16.434
and now give me a chance
to respond to it.

1042
01:05:16.477 --> 01:05:17.826
- Hang on. I will.

1043
01:05:17.870 --> 01:05:19.567
- Because I'm not talking
about anybody's doctrine

1044
01:05:19.611 --> 01:05:21.874
that got us into
a lot of other crap.

1045
01:05:21.918 --> 01:05:24.616
- Republicans and Democrats,
they're all gung ho.

1046
01:05:24.659 --> 01:05:26.183
They start these wars.

1047
01:05:26.226 --> 01:05:28.011
They don't fight them
to win them.

1048
01:05:28.054 --> 01:05:29.838
- We--we absolutely agree
on that.

1049
01:05:29.882 --> 01:05:31.188
- And fight the war to win it.
- That's right.

1050
01:05:31.231 --> 01:05:33.233
- And that means
to defeat Russa--

1051
01:05:33.277 --> 01:05:35.540
- Or let them fight it
to win it, because they will.

1052
01:05:35.583 --> 01:05:36.671
- Well, that's what I'm saying.

1053
01:05:36.715 --> 01:05:37.977
Let the Ukrainians
fight themselves.

1054
01:05:38.021 --> 01:05:40.197
- Yeah, we agree.
You and I can argue all day.

1055
01:05:40.240 --> 01:05:41.938
But I look at you,
and I think you believe

1056
01:05:41.981 --> 01:05:43.722
in this country in your way.

1057
01:05:43.765 --> 01:05:45.202
I believe in it in mine.
- 100%

1058
01:05:45.245 --> 01:05:49.467
- When you step into a country
of such incredible unity,

1059
01:05:49.510 --> 01:05:52.035
you realize what we've all
been missing.

1060
01:05:52.078 --> 01:05:54.559
- You'll never talk politics
with me on this show, will you?

1061
01:05:54.602 --> 01:05:55.734
- We--we've all got to
figure out--

1062
01:05:55.777 --> 01:05:56.996
- Wasn't that bad.

1063
01:05:57.040 --> 01:05:59.390
Do you trust me now
more than you did?

1064
01:05:59.433 --> 01:06:01.435
- There's a lot
of physical therapy necessary

1065
01:06:01.479 --> 01:06:04.221
after a big car accident.

1066
01:06:04.264 --> 01:06:05.700
You don't get it all done
in a day.

1067
01:06:05.744 --> 01:06:07.833
- Our prayers are with
the innocent,

1068
01:06:07.876 --> 01:06:09.530
and I wish you luck
in helping them.

1069
01:06:09.574 --> 01:06:11.706
- And the heroes
who are fighting for them.

1070
01:06:11.750 --> 01:06:14.622
- Next time we'll battle over
Hugo Chávez or something fun.

1071
01:06:14.666 --> 01:06:16.015
- That's an interesting
conversation.

1072
01:06:16.059 --> 01:06:17.016
- All right.
- All right.

1073
01:06:17.060 --> 01:06:19.018
- Thank you for being with us.

1074
01:06:19.062 --> 01:06:20.802
- Former Speaker of the House,
Fox News contributor

1075
01:06:20.846 --> 01:06:22.282
Newt Gingrich is with us.

1076
01:06:22.326 --> 01:06:25.242
Your thoughts
on the conversation and more.

1077
01:06:25.285 --> 01:06:29.463
- That may have been
one of the most impactful

1078
01:06:29.507 --> 01:06:33.337
and amazing interviews
of your entire career.

1079
01:06:33.380 --> 01:06:35.904
- I'm going to talk
to Sean Hannity,

1080
01:06:35.948 --> 01:06:38.733
to Fox News, MSNBC.

1081
01:06:38.777 --> 01:06:41.475
I'm going to go do talks
at presidential libraries.

1082
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:42.694
We're going to get
this message out

1083
01:06:42.737 --> 01:06:43.912
and help get
what Ukraine needs.

1084
01:06:43.956 --> 01:06:46.480
- You called
and said get the hell out,

1085
01:06:46.524 --> 01:06:48.352
get the F out, whatever.
- Yeah, yeah.

1086
01:06:48.395 --> 01:06:50.006
There's
going to be a serious attempt

1087
01:06:50.049 --> 01:06:53.226
at a quick decapitation strike
with the Russian paratroopers.

1088
01:06:53.270 --> 01:06:56.403
- The Ukrainians had something
to say about that, obviously.

1089
01:06:56.447 --> 01:06:59.015
- Every fundraiser I've been
to, every event I've been to

1090
01:06:59.058 --> 01:07:00.842
for the last several months,

1091
01:07:00.886 --> 01:07:02.192
people are up in arms
over Ukraine.

1092
01:07:02.235 --> 01:07:04.368
- I mean,
when we do the stories,

1093
01:07:04.411 --> 01:07:05.760
the ratings
go through the roof.

1094
01:07:05.804 --> 01:07:06.979
- Ladies and gentlemen,
please welcome

1095
01:07:07.023 --> 01:07:08.111
our distinguished panel.

1096
01:07:08.154 --> 01:07:10.939
[applause]

1097
01:07:10.983 --> 01:07:12.289
- It's amazing
to see the Ukrainians

1098
01:07:12.332 --> 01:07:14.117
and the resilience.

1099
01:07:14.160 --> 01:07:16.945
The Ukrainians are fighting
and fighting hard.

1100
01:07:16.989 --> 01:07:19.383
And you think Ukraine
can win this.

1101
01:07:19.426 --> 01:07:23.169
- I'd go further, and,
you know, I wager everything.

1102
01:07:23.213 --> 01:07:25.258
The Ukrainians
are going to win.

1103
01:07:25.302 --> 01:07:27.434
And what we're going
to be doing is saying,

1104
01:07:27.478 --> 01:07:30.263
"How many lives
did we let them lose?"

1105
01:07:30.307 --> 01:07:32.352
- You know, in Zelensky,
this is a leader

1106
01:07:32.396 --> 01:07:35.486
who is pretty remarkable
in this moment.

1107
01:07:35.529 --> 01:07:40.012
- Part of what makes him
so particularly extraordinary

1108
01:07:40.056 --> 01:07:41.709
is that in that courage,
he's the face

1109
01:07:41.753 --> 01:07:44.451
of so many Ukrainians.

1110
01:07:44.495 --> 01:07:46.584
This is leadership.

1111
01:07:46.627 --> 01:07:48.760
No one on the planet's
been tested

1112
01:07:48.803 --> 01:07:51.067
in leadership
like this one human being.

1113
01:07:51.110 --> 01:07:52.938
- Mr. President, what is it...
- Tonight

1114
01:07:52.981 --> 01:07:54.635
a world-exclusive interview.
- What is the situation?

1115
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:56.637
- Thank you so much
for talking.

1116
01:07:56.681 --> 01:07:57.986
- Thank you very much.

1117
01:07:58.030 --> 01:08:01.207
- If you do win,
will Vladimir Putin survive?

1118
01:08:04.167 --> 01:08:06.038
- You know,
Ronald Reagan once said,

1119
01:08:06.082 --> 01:08:09.128
"I don't know how anyone
could have held this position

1120
01:08:09.172 --> 01:08:11.652
without having had
acting ability."

1121
01:08:11.696 --> 01:08:13.654
And he said, "The ability
to be a good actor

1122
01:08:13.698 --> 01:08:15.830
is to be yourself
when the camera comes on."

1123
01:08:15.874 --> 01:08:17.354
[sirens wailing]

1124
01:08:17.397 --> 01:08:19.965
When Zelensky got elected,
a lot of people

1125
01:08:20.008 --> 01:08:21.314
made the comparisons
to Ronald Reagan.

1126
01:08:21.358 --> 01:08:23.751
And, "He's an actor,
and he's not prepared."

1127
01:08:23.795 --> 01:08:26.624
And yet Zelensky
is just himself,

1128
01:08:26.667 --> 01:08:27.799
when the camera's on,
when it's off.

1129
01:08:27.841 --> 01:08:30.323
He is who he is.

1130
01:08:30.367 --> 01:08:33.979
This moment right now,
he is perfect.

1131
01:08:34.022 --> 01:08:36.154
- The Ukrainian president
has been praised

1132
01:08:36.198 --> 01:08:38.417
as a master of social media.

1133
01:08:38.462 --> 01:08:40.246
- I mean, one thing that's
very important to remember

1134
01:08:40.290 --> 01:08:41.551
is, he is a performer.

1135
01:08:41.595 --> 01:08:43.162
- Social media
has allowed him

1136
01:08:43.206 --> 01:08:45.685
to dominate
the information war.

1137
01:08:45.729 --> 01:08:47.645
- He has
the bully pulpit now.

1138
01:08:47.688 --> 01:08:49.647
People feel comfortable
that he has a vision now.

1139
01:08:51.388 --> 01:08:52.911
- All three of you
really being versed

1140
01:08:52.953 --> 01:08:54.304
in this over time,

1141
01:08:54.346 --> 01:08:56.219
take me back
before the invasion.

1142
01:08:56.261 --> 01:09:00.310
- 1999, I had an opportunity
to do a project in Ukraine,

1143
01:09:00.353 --> 01:09:01.702
and I was in Ukraine
until a month ago,

1144
01:09:01.746 --> 01:09:03.487
two days before the war.

1145
01:09:03.529 --> 01:09:05.618
- I was in 2008
when the second invasion

1146
01:09:05.662 --> 01:09:07.185
happened in Georgia.

1147
01:09:07.229 --> 01:09:09.580
We got in, and we were lucky
we got out.

1148
01:09:09.622 --> 01:09:12.712
- I was in Iraq in 2007,
2008 during the surge.

1149
01:09:12.756 --> 01:09:14.889
- So I was the main
interpreter for Lech Walesa.

1150
01:09:14.933 --> 01:09:18.328
So I was all over
Central and Eastern Europe.

1151
01:09:18.371 --> 01:09:20.982
Yeah, so I've seen
a lot of stuff.

1152
01:09:21.026 --> 01:09:24.247
And I've seen regression.

1153
01:09:24.290 --> 01:09:25.377
And it breaks my heart.

1154
01:09:25.421 --> 01:09:27.292
I was sent twice...

1155
01:09:27.337 --> 01:09:29.165
- What does the healing
look like

1156
01:09:29.207 --> 01:09:32.429
between Russians
and Ukrainians?

1157
01:09:32.471 --> 01:09:35.562
- Unless they kick
the Russians out

1158
01:09:35.606 --> 01:09:37.303
or the Russians take off

1159
01:09:37.346 --> 01:09:40.872
and literally give everything
back to the Ukrainians

1160
01:09:40.915 --> 01:09:45.093
that would be perhaps
the beginning,

1161
01:09:45.136 --> 01:09:48.227
except when you look at
the number of dead civilians

1162
01:09:48.270 --> 01:09:51.055
and children and women
and old people

1163
01:09:51.099 --> 01:09:52.710
that the Russians,
they've been killing.

1164
01:09:52.752 --> 01:09:55.626
[somber music]

1165
01:09:55.669 --> 01:09:56.888
- Go this way, guys.

1166
01:09:56.931 --> 01:10:03.851
♪

1167
01:10:07.681 --> 01:10:11.032
- Thank you very much
for talking with us.

1168
01:10:11.076 --> 01:10:12.904
What is your assessment?

1169
01:10:35.753 --> 01:10:38.625
- Taking Ukraine may come easy
to the overwhelming Russian...

1170
01:10:38.669 --> 01:10:40.236
- Like just come out
of an intelligence

1171
01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:41.846
with a Western official.

1172
01:10:41.889 --> 01:10:44.414
Ukraine is in a battle
for its life right now.

1173
01:10:44.457 --> 01:10:45.980
- Ukraine's capital city
of Kyiv

1174
01:10:46.024 --> 01:10:47.286
might soon fall
to Russian forces.

1175
01:10:47.330 --> 01:10:50.289
- Russia's actions
are outrageous.

1176
01:10:50.333 --> 01:10:53.597
Every hour of inaction now
is a threat to the lives

1177
01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:55.076
of Ukrainians.

1178
01:10:55.120 --> 01:10:58.384
Ukraine loses the war,
there will be no Ukraine.

1179
01:10:58.428 --> 01:11:01.257
And when stakes are so high
for us,

1180
01:11:01.300 --> 01:11:03.215
of course we will
keep fighting.

1181
01:11:03.259 --> 01:11:04.434
Whatever it takes.

1182
01:11:04.477 --> 01:11:06.436
- [speaking in native language]

1183
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:07.698
[all speaking
in native language]

1184
01:11:07.741 --> 01:11:09.874
- The people are mobilizing.

1185
01:11:09.917 --> 01:11:11.310
- People signing up to fight.

1186
01:11:11.354 --> 01:11:13.312
People bringing in supplies,

1187
01:11:13.356 --> 01:11:15.314
anything they think
that will help

1188
01:11:15.358 --> 01:11:17.011
the Ukrainian war effort.

1189
01:11:17.055 --> 01:11:19.362
- We never seek to leave.

1190
01:11:19.405 --> 01:11:20.624
This our homes.

1191
01:11:20.667 --> 01:11:23.757
We defend our children,
family,

1192
01:11:23.801 --> 01:11:26.673
our buildings, our city,
and our future,

1193
01:11:26.717 --> 01:11:27.848
future of Ukraine.

1194
01:11:27.892 --> 01:11:29.328
[cannon booming]

1195
01:11:29.372 --> 01:11:30.764
- Can Ukraine outright win
this war?

1196
01:11:30.808 --> 01:11:32.288
- Ukrainian resistance

1197
01:11:32.331 --> 01:11:36.074
is having
a huge battlefield impact.

1198
01:11:36.117 --> 01:11:38.032
- There's a recording
between Ukrainian

1199
01:11:38.076 --> 01:11:39.773
and Russian forces.

1200
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:45.388
- Snake Island,
and appears to have been

1201
01:11:45.431 --> 01:11:47.825
attacked by a Russian warship.

1202
01:11:54.484 --> 01:11:56.007
- The man behind those words

1203
01:11:56.050 --> 01:11:58.183
was awarded a medal
for his bravery.

1204
01:11:58.226 --> 01:12:00.272
- Now we've seen
impressive gains

1205
01:12:00.316 --> 01:12:03.014
by the Ukrainian army.

1206
01:12:03.057 --> 01:12:05.451
- Russia's flagship vessel,
the "Moskva."

1207
01:12:05.495 --> 01:12:08.411
- Ukraine says it hit the ship
with cruise missiles

1208
01:12:08.454 --> 01:12:09.803
launched from the coast.

1209
01:12:09.847 --> 01:12:11.370
- President Volodymyr Zelensky

1210
01:12:11.414 --> 01:12:13.329
visited at extreme risk.

1211
01:12:13.372 --> 01:12:15.418
- Tonight a stunning
breakthrough.

1212
01:12:15.461 --> 01:12:17.985
- How are the Ukrainians
pulling this off?

1213
01:12:18.029 --> 01:12:19.900
[indistinct chatter]

1214
01:12:31.782 --> 01:12:33.087
[laughter]

1215
01:12:33.131 --> 01:12:34.785
- Nobody believed in us.

1216
01:12:39.311 --> 01:12:42.053
- "Oh, they're going--
you know, they will fail."

1217
01:12:42.096 --> 01:12:46.187
And now the whole world
is basically watching.

1218
01:12:47.188 --> 01:12:51.236
- This moment in Ukraine to
represent a human phenomenon.

1219
01:13:00.376 --> 01:13:01.812
Like,
everyone who I was calling

1220
01:13:01.855 --> 01:13:03.596
was doing something
for the army.

1221
01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:05.293
It was such a huge network
of volunteers.

1222
01:13:05.337 --> 01:13:08.775
- Ukraine is extremely united
right now

1223
01:13:08.819 --> 01:13:11.387
for so many of us.

1224
01:13:11.430 --> 01:13:14.433
And it gives us strength,

1225
01:13:14.477 --> 01:13:16.914
and that's why we are not--
we are not afraid,

1226
01:13:16.957 --> 01:13:20.091
because we realize that they
have to kill all of us.

1227
01:13:20.134 --> 01:13:23.355
[indistinct chatter]

1228
01:13:25.270 --> 01:13:27.054
- In Ukraine
it's not difficult

1229
01:13:27.098 --> 01:13:31.319
to find a great diversity
in political opinion.

1230
01:13:31.363 --> 01:13:33.452
Just as in the U.S.
one can find

1231
01:13:33.496 --> 01:13:36.455
every impassioned
nationalist idea,

1232
01:13:36.499 --> 01:13:40.067
every impassioned
humanist idea.

1233
01:13:40.111 --> 01:13:43.897
And yet they've someone found
a complete recognition

1234
01:13:43.941 --> 01:13:47.248
in the interdependence
that allows for independence.

1235
01:13:49.033 --> 01:13:51.514
It's tangible.

1236
01:13:51.557 --> 01:13:54.038
- President Zelensky
called on the United States

1237
01:13:54.081 --> 01:13:55.431
to send more weapons.

1238
01:13:55.474 --> 01:13:58.042
- They asked for
heavier weapons faster.

1239
01:13:58.085 --> 01:14:02.438
- The Pentagon has rejected
a surprise offer from Poland

1240
01:14:02.481 --> 01:14:05.397
to fly all of its MiGs
to a U.S. airbase in Germany.

1241
01:14:05.441 --> 01:14:08.922
- Saying it risks setting off
a wider war with Russia.

1242
01:14:08.966 --> 01:14:12.839
- We continue.
We continue fighting.

1243
01:14:12.883 --> 01:14:14.362
We just need support.

1244
01:14:14.406 --> 01:14:19.063
I--I need to say to you,
because you're our friends,

1245
01:14:19.106 --> 01:14:21.239
that we still waiting.

1246
01:14:21.282 --> 01:14:23.415
We still talking every day

1247
01:14:23.459 --> 01:14:25.809
with international war leaders.

1248
01:14:25.852 --> 01:14:29.421
We need some help
by the weapons.

1249
01:14:29.465 --> 01:14:33.425
We still, for example,
waiting this jet

1250
01:14:33.469 --> 01:14:35.601
from Poland.
- Right.

1251
01:14:35.645 --> 01:14:37.081
- Thank you, Sean.
Thank you.

1252
01:14:37.124 --> 01:14:39.997
Thank you very much,
my friend.

1253
01:14:40.040 --> 01:14:42.347
- The people and government
of Poland

1254
01:14:42.390 --> 01:14:44.349
had opened their hearts
and borders

1255
01:14:44.392 --> 01:14:46.873
to some 8 million
Ukrainian refugees

1256
01:14:46.917 --> 01:14:48.527
but found challenges
when seeking

1257
01:14:48.571 --> 01:14:50.181
to provide fighter jets.

1258
01:14:50.224 --> 01:14:53.532
What did happen
with the MiG proposal?

1259
01:14:53.576 --> 01:14:56.100
- We don't want to act
unilaterally.

1260
01:14:56.143 --> 01:14:59.146
Such weapons
like the jet fighters,

1261
01:14:59.190 --> 01:15:01.671
it would require the NATO,

1262
01:15:01.714 --> 01:15:05.544
and our collective decision
was not to go

1263
01:15:05.588 --> 01:15:10.723
farther with our action
of delivering the MiGs.

1264
01:15:10.767 --> 01:15:15.772
- Some countries make the point
that Ukraine

1265
01:15:15.815 --> 01:15:18.514
should only be provided
with defensive weapons

1266
01:15:18.557 --> 01:15:22.518
and we should not receive
any offensive weapons.

1267
01:15:22.561 --> 01:15:26.130
The real point
is that any weapon

1268
01:15:26.173 --> 01:15:29.002
that is being used
by Ukrainian army

1269
01:15:29.046 --> 01:15:32.702
in the territory of Ukraine
is defensive by definition.

1270
01:15:32.745 --> 01:15:35.226
Because we are not using it
to attack anyone.

1271
01:15:35.269 --> 01:15:37.620
We are using it
to defend ourselves.

1272
01:15:37.663 --> 01:15:43.408
We don't have the feeling
that neither Poland

1273
01:15:43.451 --> 01:15:45.584
or the United States
are not willing

1274
01:15:45.628 --> 01:15:48.065
to do something for Ukraine.

1275
01:15:48.108 --> 01:15:51.938
But they do have differences
in understanding

1276
01:15:51.982 --> 01:15:53.897
who will assume
the responsibility

1277
01:15:53.940 --> 01:15:55.463
for making the decision.

1278
01:15:55.507 --> 01:15:59.816
Use the bloody weapons
necessary to win.

1279
01:15:59.859 --> 01:16:01.948
- Ukraine needs
weapon supplies.

1280
01:16:01.992 --> 01:16:05.952
We need heavy artillery,
armed vehicles,

1281
01:16:05.996 --> 01:16:09.521
air defense systems,
and combat aircraft,

1282
01:16:09.565 --> 01:16:11.958
anything to repel
Russian forces

1283
01:16:12.002 --> 01:16:13.743
and stop their war crimes.

1284
01:16:13.786 --> 01:16:17.398
Arm Ukraine now
to defend freedom.

1285
01:16:17.442 --> 01:16:20.140
- It's an apocalyptic vision.

1286
01:16:20.184 --> 01:16:23.143
- How much more
can the civilians withstand?

1287
01:16:23.187 --> 01:16:26.494
- Accounts of Russian abuses
are widespread.

1288
01:16:26.538 --> 01:16:29.976
- We saw undeniable evidence
of atrocities.

1289
01:16:30.020 --> 01:16:32.326
- New fallout and outrage

1290
01:16:32.370 --> 01:16:36.330
sparking more calls for
a war crimes investigation.

1291
01:16:36.374 --> 01:16:37.810
- I don't want to live
in a world

1292
01:16:37.854 --> 01:16:41.074
where a gangster with nukes
gets to dictate

1293
01:16:41.118 --> 01:16:42.336
what we have to live under.

1294
01:16:42.380 --> 01:16:43.642
I just don't want
to live in that world.

1295
01:16:43.686 --> 01:16:44.730
And the Ukrainians won't live
in that world.

1296
01:16:53.304 --> 01:16:54.653
It's a real war.
- Mm-hmm.

1297
01:16:54.697 --> 01:16:56.829
- It's in real life.

1298
01:16:56.873 --> 01:16:58.483
- We all thought that Kyiv
was going to fall

1299
01:16:58.526 --> 01:17:00.746
in two days,
and now here we are.

1300
01:17:00.790 --> 01:17:04.663
- Russia is aware that
it's not winning this war.

1301
01:17:04.707 --> 01:17:07.710
- The new narrative
is being born right now

1302
01:17:07.753 --> 01:17:09.755
about Ukraine,

1303
01:17:09.799 --> 01:17:11.670
this narrative
about very strong,

1304
01:17:11.714 --> 01:17:15.021
brave, courageous country.

1305
01:17:15.065 --> 01:17:17.415
- The recipe of victory

1306
01:17:17.458 --> 01:17:19.765
is Ukrainian stamina

1307
01:17:19.809 --> 01:17:23.639
and Western sanctions
and weapons.

1308
01:17:23.682 --> 01:17:28.078
These are the three elements
that will make us prevail.

1309
01:17:36.347 --> 01:17:38.088
- The Russians,
they have been bloodied.

1310
01:17:38.131 --> 01:17:39.829
- The Russians are taking
a tremendous number

1311
01:17:39.872 --> 01:17:41.569
of casualties,

1312
01:17:41.613 --> 01:17:44.442
probably taken
70,000 or 80,000 casualties.

1313
01:17:44.485 --> 01:17:45.835
- I hate to say this.

1314
01:17:45.878 --> 01:17:47.314
You know,
these Russian soldiers,

1315
01:17:47.358 --> 01:17:49.969
17, 18, 19 years old, right?

1316
01:17:50.013 --> 01:17:51.928
They're just cannon fodder.

1317
01:17:51.971 --> 01:17:55.540
And they're getting blown
to bits by the Ukrainians.

1318
01:17:55.583 --> 01:17:58.456
You've got
refrigerator trucks

1319
01:17:58.499 --> 01:18:01.546
and refrigerator train wagons

1320
01:18:01.589 --> 01:18:04.723
full of dead
Russian soldiers,

1321
01:18:04.767 --> 01:18:07.465
because Putin does not want
society to see this.

1322
01:18:07.508 --> 01:18:09.815
[somber music]

1323
01:18:09.859 --> 01:18:13.166
- Make no mistake, while
I believe they're winning,

1324
01:18:13.210 --> 01:18:15.299
the longer
that this war goes on,

1325
01:18:15.342 --> 01:18:17.214
the more likely it is

1326
01:18:17.257 --> 01:18:20.304
that it will start to fray
and fracture.

1327
01:18:20.347 --> 01:18:23.524
So Mr. Zelensky needs
to have an outright win here

1328
01:18:23.568 --> 01:18:24.874
pretty soon.

1329
01:18:28.007 --> 01:18:29.835
[computer line trills]

1330
01:18:33.796 --> 01:18:35.841
- I'm glad to see you,
Mr. President.

1331
01:18:35.885 --> 01:18:36.973
How are you holding up?

1332
01:19:14.662 --> 01:19:16.316
- Thank you.
- Thank you, Sean.

1333
01:19:16.360 --> 01:19:18.275
All the best.

1334
01:19:18.318 --> 01:19:20.712
- He looks like he's been
awake since we saw him.

1335
01:19:20.756 --> 01:19:22.061
- [chuckles]

1336
01:19:25.673 --> 01:19:28.067
- Because the Ukrainians
have performed so well,

1337
01:19:28.111 --> 01:19:30.983
because the democratic world
has consolidated

1338
01:19:31.027 --> 01:19:32.680
with regard to sanctions

1339
01:19:32.724 --> 01:19:34.421
and supporting Ukraine
with weapons,

1340
01:19:34.465 --> 01:19:37.468
it is not going to escalate
towards a conventional war

1341
01:19:37.511 --> 01:19:39.687
with NATO

1342
01:19:39.731 --> 01:19:42.516
because we provided
the Ukrainians with planes.

1343
01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:44.518
Since before this war,
I've been talking

1344
01:19:44.562 --> 01:19:46.956
about giving the Ukrainians
weapons to deter Russia.

1345
01:19:46.999 --> 01:19:49.175
We should be able to peer
around the corner

1346
01:19:49.219 --> 01:19:51.351
and see how this war
is going to unfold,

1347
01:19:51.395 --> 01:19:52.918
the fact that we're going
to have to step in

1348
01:19:52.962 --> 01:19:54.311
and provide more.

1349
01:19:54.354 --> 01:19:55.573
But we're going
to do it too late,

1350
01:19:55.616 --> 01:19:56.487
and we're going to miss
opportunities

1351
01:19:56.530 --> 01:19:57.836
to make this a short war.

1352
01:19:57.880 --> 01:19:59.011
We're going to miss
opportunities

1353
01:19:59.055 --> 01:20:02.145
to reduce the human toll
for Ukraine.

1354
01:20:02.188 --> 01:20:03.537
We're going to miss
opportunities

1355
01:20:03.581 --> 01:20:04.625
to really decrease
the risk for the U.S.

1356
01:20:04.669 --> 01:20:07.672
with a long-war scenario.

1357
01:20:07.715 --> 01:20:10.675
[somber music]

1358
01:20:10.718 --> 01:20:14.374
♪

1359
01:20:14.418 --> 01:20:17.856
- [indistinct].

1360
01:20:17.900 --> 01:20:19.423
- One part of the war
that we've gotten

1361
01:20:19.466 --> 01:20:21.381
very little insight into
is the battle for the sky.

1362
01:20:21.425 --> 01:20:23.601
- This rumor
of the Ghost of Kyiv.

1363
01:20:23.644 --> 01:20:24.950
- The Ghost of Kyiv.

1364
01:20:24.994 --> 01:20:26.691
- The Ghost of Kyiv,
they call it.

1365
01:20:27.474 --> 01:20:28.867
- The Russian Air Force
has not been able

1366
01:20:28.911 --> 01:20:30.695
to get air supremacy.

1367
01:20:30.738 --> 01:20:32.871
Can you just talk a little bit
about why that is?

1368
01:20:32.915 --> 01:20:36.222
- Because they have a fear
of our air defense.

1369
01:20:36.266 --> 01:20:40.836
But we need effective tools
to do this efficiently.

1370
01:21:16.741 --> 01:21:18.090
[laughter]

1371
01:21:18.134 --> 01:21:19.875
- How do the Russians
get stopped?

1372
01:21:34.280 --> 01:21:37.457
- The conflict will be
going on for some time,

1373
01:21:37.501 --> 01:21:39.895
and we need
the weapons flowing,

1374
01:21:39.938 --> 01:21:42.245
and without U.S. assistance,

1375
01:21:42.288 --> 01:21:44.943
that would be close
to not possible.

1376
01:21:44.987 --> 01:21:46.553
We need new fighter jets.

1377
01:22:03.962 --> 01:22:06.617
- That's much more exciting
for him than it is for you.

1378
01:22:06.660 --> 01:22:08.140
- Yeah.

1379
01:22:08.184 --> 01:22:11.100
[upbeat rock music]

1380
01:22:11.143 --> 01:22:18.063
♪

1381
01:22:32.251 --> 01:22:35.559
- We just watched your movie.

1382
01:22:35.602 --> 01:22:40.694
The next "Top Gun" movie
should be made in Ukraine.

1383
01:22:40.738 --> 01:22:42.392
- You know,
you put the world on notice

1384
01:22:42.435 --> 01:22:44.002
that Ukraine, you know,

1385
01:22:44.046 --> 01:22:46.744
isn't fucking laying down
for anything.

1386
01:22:46.787 --> 01:22:48.833
It's a real honor
to talk to you guys.

1387
01:22:48.876 --> 01:22:50.356
- Thank you for support.

1388
01:22:50.400 --> 01:22:52.750
[dramatic music]

1389
01:22:52.793 --> 01:22:54.970
- As this war went on,

1390
01:22:55.013 --> 01:22:57.059
it got more
and more difficult

1391
01:22:57.102 --> 01:22:59.365
to keep attention
and interest in it.

1392
01:22:59.409 --> 01:23:01.498
- Other stories
we're following for you...

1393
01:23:01.541 --> 01:23:04.370
- Will Smith clashed
with comedian Chris Rock.

1394
01:23:04.414 --> 01:23:05.981
- There's a time limit.

1395
01:23:06.024 --> 01:23:07.286
- The world watched
Johnny Depp's...

1396
01:23:07.330 --> 01:23:08.679
- And there's an energy limit

1397
01:23:08.722 --> 01:23:11.073
to what people can put
on the horrors

1398
01:23:11.116 --> 01:23:13.727
of something
taking place far away.

1399
01:23:13.771 --> 01:23:15.729
♪

1400
01:23:15.773 --> 01:23:17.427
For Sean,
it was very important

1401
01:23:17.470 --> 01:23:19.516
to get back to Ukraine...

1402
01:23:19.559 --> 01:23:23.215
♪

1403
01:23:23.259 --> 01:23:25.783
Get back
to see what's going on

1404
01:23:25.826 --> 01:23:30.266
and experience
what it was like now in June.

1405
01:23:30.309 --> 01:23:32.659
And we knew the important
thing was getting Sean

1406
01:23:32.703 --> 01:23:33.921
and Zelensky back together.

1407
01:23:33.965 --> 01:23:36.750
♪

1408
01:23:36.794 --> 01:23:38.361
[train whistle blows]

1409
01:23:38.404 --> 01:23:40.972
- Ukraine's president
is accusing Russia now

1410
01:23:41.016 --> 01:23:43.061
of bombing a crowded
shopping mall

1411
01:23:43.105 --> 01:23:43.975
in the eastern part
of the country.

1412
01:23:44.019 --> 01:23:46.630
[loud explosion]

1413
01:23:46.673 --> 01:23:50.416
- The capital, Kyiv,
once again in the crosshairs.

1414
01:23:50.460 --> 01:23:52.592
- This morning,
the most serious attack

1415
01:23:52.636 --> 01:23:55.726
on Kyiv in weeks,
two apartment blocks struck.

1416
01:23:55.769 --> 01:23:58.163
- In residential buildings
hit by rockets,

1417
01:23:58.207 --> 01:24:02.080
the number of civilian
casualties is rising.

1418
01:24:02.124 --> 01:24:03.995
- Is this it?

1419
01:24:04.039 --> 01:24:06.215
- Yeah, this is--
this is it.

1420
01:24:06.258 --> 01:24:13.135
♪

1421
01:24:22.622 --> 01:24:26.148
Who's coming?

1422
01:24:26.191 --> 01:24:33.111
♪

1423
01:24:35.157 --> 01:24:36.854
Wow.

1424
01:24:52.913 --> 01:24:54.045
This was the living room.

1425
01:24:54.089 --> 01:24:58.049
That was a bedroom
and restroom.

1426
01:24:58.093 --> 01:25:00.138
- Yeah, this is not
structurally sound anymore,

1427
01:25:00.182 --> 01:25:03.402
is it?
- No.

1428
01:25:03.446 --> 01:25:04.969
- So what are you doing now?

1429
01:25:05.012 --> 01:25:08.146
Just hearing out the things
that can be salvaged?

1430
01:25:08.190 --> 01:25:09.669
- Yeah, so actually,
I asked the military guys

1431
01:25:09.713 --> 01:25:10.975
to help me out.

1432
01:25:11.018 --> 01:25:12.672
They came here.
They clear everything.

1433
01:25:12.716 --> 01:25:16.023
They try to make sure that
we actually can take anything.

1434
01:25:16.067 --> 01:25:18.896
I tried to find, like,
really sensitive stuff,

1435
01:25:18.939 --> 01:25:20.985
like maybe pictures
or, like, some other stuff.

1436
01:25:21.028 --> 01:25:22.291
Yeah, that's it.

1437
01:25:22.334 --> 01:25:23.857
Like, I just wanted
to find something.

1438
01:25:23.901 --> 01:25:26.251
- What can we help you carry?
- Nothing.

1439
01:25:26.295 --> 01:25:27.296
It's done.
- It's done. Okay.

1440
01:25:27.339 --> 01:25:28.514
- It's done.

1441
01:25:28.558 --> 01:25:29.820
We took everything
that we could.

1442
01:25:29.863 --> 01:25:32.214
That's it.

1443
01:25:32.257 --> 01:25:34.172
Welcome to my home.

1444
01:25:34.216 --> 01:25:37.436
♪

1445
01:25:45.096 --> 01:25:48.186
- [indistinct].

1446
01:26:17.128 --> 01:26:18.825
- Because you can?

1447
01:26:18.869 --> 01:26:21.219
- Because I can.

1448
01:26:21.263 --> 01:26:23.178
- Thank you.

1449
01:26:28.139 --> 01:26:31.273
♪

1450
01:26:31.316 --> 01:26:33.362
- And here too.

1451
01:26:33.405 --> 01:26:36.626
[metal clanging]

1452
01:26:49.639 --> 01:26:56.559
♪

1453
01:27:10.442 --> 01:27:12.183
- I'm a little bit late.

1454
01:27:12.227 --> 01:27:14.098
Maybe not little.
Sorry. I'm so sorry.

1455
01:27:14.141 --> 01:27:15.839
- No, you're fine.

1456
01:27:17.319 --> 01:27:21.714
Once the invasion began,

1457
01:27:21.758 --> 01:27:23.847
what was the first moment

1458
01:27:23.890 --> 01:27:27.416
that you were able to check in
with your family?

1459
01:27:27.459 --> 01:27:28.982
♪

1460
01:27:29.026 --> 01:27:30.245
- In the night, I think.

1461
01:27:30.288 --> 01:27:32.203
In the night.
It was in the night.

1462
01:27:32.247 --> 01:27:34.031
And I had phone call.

1463
01:27:34.074 --> 01:27:37.426
My wife, I said,
"Tell children,

1464
01:27:37.469 --> 01:27:40.124
"detailing everything.

1465
01:27:40.167 --> 01:27:43.475
What does it mean,
the war with Russia?"

1466
01:27:43.519 --> 01:27:46.173
- The day of the invasion,
when you walked in,

1467
01:27:46.217 --> 01:27:48.785
I saw a change in you.

1468
01:27:48.828 --> 01:27:53.485
There was an air of,
you were born for this moment.

1469
01:27:53.529 --> 01:27:55.313
It was so clear

1470
01:27:55.357 --> 01:27:58.360
that we were in a moment of...

1471
01:27:58.403 --> 01:28:01.493
extreme history.

1472
01:28:01.537 --> 01:28:04.757
- Everybody has to be--

1473
01:28:04.801 --> 01:28:08.283
has to become older,
older at this moment

1474
01:28:08.326 --> 01:28:11.634
to understand what to do
and what we are doing,

1475
01:28:11.677 --> 01:28:15.812
because we need to live
in the real life,

1476
01:28:15.855 --> 01:28:18.423
not in fairy tale.

1477
01:28:22.122 --> 01:28:24.255
- There it is.

1478
01:28:26.997 --> 01:28:28.520
- So this is
the direct impact crater?

1479
01:28:28.564 --> 01:28:29.478
- Yeah.

1480
01:28:33.699 --> 01:28:35.658
- [indistinct].

1481
01:28:40.489 --> 01:28:44.319
And he's like wise...

1482
01:28:44.362 --> 01:28:47.452
political man.
[chuckles]

1483
01:28:47.496 --> 01:28:51.151
So even our children
began because of the war.

1484
01:28:51.195 --> 01:28:53.632
They began to speak, like,
you know,

1485
01:28:53.676 --> 01:28:56.243
to speak not like children.

1486
01:28:56.287 --> 01:29:00.378
♪

1487
01:29:00.422 --> 01:29:06.036
He understand why I am not
with him every day.

1488
01:29:06.079 --> 01:29:09.909
He said to me that,
"I understand you,

1489
01:29:09.953 --> 01:29:13.130
"and I think
that in the future,

1490
01:29:13.173 --> 01:29:16.307
maybe we can have something
like it was before the war."

1491
01:29:16.351 --> 01:29:20.050
He understand that it will not
be such way like it was.

1492
01:29:20.093 --> 01:29:25.838
Only now we know what country
we have to build.

1493
01:29:25.882 --> 01:29:28.885
I made a lot of decisions.

1494
01:29:28.928 --> 01:29:31.801
For example...

1495
01:29:35.065 --> 01:29:38.808
And we'll see the result
only after the war.

1496
01:29:38.851 --> 01:29:42.333
From this point,
we can't come back

1497
01:29:42.377 --> 01:29:45.467
to the political,
economical

1498
01:29:45.510 --> 01:29:47.251
securities strategy.

1499
01:29:47.294 --> 01:29:50.428
It couldn't be
just democracy,

1500
01:29:50.472 --> 01:29:52.648
just liberal attitude
to everything.

1501
01:29:52.691 --> 01:29:54.345
It couldn't be so.

1502
01:29:56.826 --> 01:30:02.309
But we should know
that soldiers with weapon

1503
01:30:02.353 --> 01:30:05.138
will be in the streets.

1504
01:30:05.182 --> 01:30:08.620
You know, how can everywhere
be people with guns?

1505
01:30:08.664 --> 01:30:11.318
Why you are looking
what is in my bag

1506
01:30:11.362 --> 01:30:13.451
when I'm entering shops?

1507
01:30:13.495 --> 01:30:15.235
Now we should do it.

1508
01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:18.151
It's a pity.

1509
01:30:18.195 --> 01:30:21.285
It's not about Ukraine.

1510
01:30:21.328 --> 01:30:22.721
That is the result
of all the wars.

1511
01:30:35.691 --> 01:30:39.085
- Yeah, this kind of stuff
is still shockingly stupid,

1512
01:30:39.129 --> 01:30:43.699
and the idea
that one evil little man

1513
01:30:43.742 --> 01:30:47.485
could be so generating
the force behind it,

1514
01:30:47.529 --> 01:30:50.270
it's just unimaginable

1515
01:30:50.314 --> 01:30:53.360
and has to change
somehow for--

1516
01:30:53.404 --> 01:30:54.884
I think about it for my kids,

1517
01:30:54.927 --> 01:30:56.363
because everything
that happens here

1518
01:30:56.407 --> 01:30:57.756
is going to affect

1519
01:30:57.800 --> 01:30:59.454
every other place
in the world today.

1520
01:30:59.497 --> 01:31:00.803
And I think that's the reason
that we're all

1521
01:31:00.846 --> 01:31:02.152
so invested in this,

1522
01:31:02.195 --> 01:31:04.589
and because Ukraine
is representing

1523
01:31:04.633 --> 01:31:07.331
the greatest aspirations
that we all share.

1524
01:31:07.374 --> 01:31:09.855
♪

1525
01:31:09.899 --> 01:31:11.901
- They will not stop...

1526
01:31:11.944 --> 01:31:13.511
never.

1527
01:31:13.555 --> 01:31:15.948
A lot of people die.

1528
01:31:15.992 --> 01:31:17.472
And...
[sighs, clears throat]

1529
01:31:17.515 --> 01:31:20.475
so--so it's tragedy,

1530
01:31:20.518 --> 01:31:25.218
but I understood that this
tragedy result of the war.

1531
01:31:25.262 --> 01:31:26.350
I understood it.

1532
01:31:26.393 --> 01:31:28.918
They will destroy everything.

1533
01:31:28.961 --> 01:31:32.530
People want to forget
what's going on in the East.

1534
01:31:32.574 --> 01:31:36.621
Believe me, now they destroyed
everything on the East.

1535
01:31:36.665 --> 01:31:40.930
[indistinct chatter]

1536
01:31:40.973 --> 01:31:42.627
We need to go and talk

1537
01:31:42.671 --> 01:31:45.848
to the soldiers
who are fighting the fight

1538
01:31:45.891 --> 01:31:47.850
and spend some time
on the front line.

1539
01:31:47.893 --> 01:31:50.461
- Yes, it's possible.
We could help.

1540
01:31:50.505 --> 01:31:52.507
We're very interested
to show the world

1541
01:31:52.550 --> 01:31:54.465
what's going on here.

1542
01:31:54.509 --> 01:31:55.858
We are fighting.

1543
01:31:55.901 --> 01:31:57.163
We destroyed
a lot of Russian troops,

1544
01:31:57.207 --> 01:31:59.426
and they destroyed us.

1545
01:31:59.470 --> 01:32:01.385
That is the war between two.

1546
01:32:01.428 --> 01:32:03.692
They are not waiting,
and we are fighting.

1547
01:32:03.735 --> 01:32:05.258
They will dig in.

1548
01:32:05.302 --> 01:32:06.825
So that is the problem.

1549
01:32:06.869 --> 01:32:09.611
We should press on them.

1550
01:32:09.654 --> 01:32:11.569
That's very difficult
with such,

1551
01:32:11.613 --> 01:32:14.398
I think, slowly way

1552
01:32:14.441 --> 01:32:17.140
of getting weapons.

1553
01:32:17.183 --> 01:32:20.578
With such speed...

1554
01:32:20.622 --> 01:32:23.320
you can't move forward.

1555
01:32:23.363 --> 01:32:26.323
[somber music]

1556
01:32:26.366 --> 01:32:29.369
♪

1557
01:32:29.413 --> 01:32:31.807
- Ukraine is intent
on pushing Russian troops

1558
01:32:31.850 --> 01:32:33.591
back to their border
with the help

1559
01:32:33.635 --> 01:32:35.985
of advanced
long-range missile systems

1560
01:32:36.028 --> 01:32:38.509
en route
from the United States.

1561
01:32:38.553 --> 01:32:40.729
- The U.S. is sending
artillery rocket systems

1562
01:32:40.772 --> 01:32:42.644
known as HIMARS.

1563
01:32:42.687 --> 01:32:45.734
- The weaponry includes
the M142

1564
01:32:45.777 --> 01:32:48.563
high-mobility
artillery rocket system.

1565
01:33:20.464 --> 01:33:22.553
- Once you fire
from a position,

1566
01:33:22.597 --> 01:33:24.773
does that immediately mean
you're gonna move positions?

1567
01:34:01.853 --> 01:34:05.857
I think that because of our
proximity now

1568
01:34:05.901 --> 01:34:09.469
to active combat, that's where
our sights should be set.

1569
01:34:22.744 --> 01:34:25.703
[tense music]

1570
01:34:25.747 --> 01:34:32.667
♪

1571
01:34:34.886 --> 01:34:36.496
- Let's put that
in this truck.

1572
01:34:36.540 --> 01:34:38.411
- Yeah, we're gonna do this.

1573
01:34:38.455 --> 01:34:39.804
- Let's do that.
- Okay.

1574
01:34:41.937 --> 01:34:43.590
- [speaking in native language]

1575
01:34:45.767 --> 01:34:47.943
Okay.

1576
01:34:47.986 --> 01:34:54.558
♪

1577
01:34:54.601 --> 01:34:56.342
- Up.

1578
01:34:56.386 --> 01:34:58.693
- Okay.

1579
01:34:58.736 --> 01:35:00.999
[distant explosion]

1580
01:35:01.043 --> 01:35:04.568
So that means
we're getting close.

1581
01:35:04.611 --> 01:35:07.440
♪

1582
01:35:16.406 --> 01:35:19.670
During last ten days...

1583
01:35:23.805 --> 01:35:25.284
During last ten days.

1584
01:35:25.328 --> 01:35:28.505
Because shells are going
without stopping.

1585
01:35:28.548 --> 01:35:31.334
No stop,
shelling without stopping,

1586
01:35:31.377 --> 01:35:33.771
any stopping,
different kinds.

1587
01:35:33.815 --> 01:35:37.862
And it's, you know...

1588
01:35:37.906 --> 01:35:40.125
that is what we have.

1589
01:35:40.169 --> 01:35:42.127
- Russia is intensifying
its assault

1590
01:35:42.171 --> 01:35:44.129
in the east of Ukraine.

1591
01:35:44.173 --> 01:35:46.958
- And the Ukrainians
may have to decide do they,

1592
01:35:47.002 --> 01:35:48.960
as it were,
dig in in Severodonetsk,

1593
01:35:49.004 --> 01:35:50.875
or do they give up
the city now

1594
01:35:50.919 --> 01:35:52.790
and leave while they can?

1595
01:35:52.834 --> 01:35:59.710
♪

1596
01:36:02.408 --> 01:36:03.279
[distant explosion]

1597
01:36:39.054 --> 01:36:42.840
♪

1598
01:36:42.884 --> 01:36:45.321
[distant explosion]

1599
01:36:45.364 --> 01:36:52.284
♪

1600
01:37:28.059 --> 01:37:30.888
- Can you speak
to what importance it was

1601
01:37:30.932 --> 01:37:33.021
to the solidary of this fight

1602
01:37:33.064 --> 01:37:35.632
that the president stayed
in Kyiv?

1603
01:38:14.149 --> 01:38:17.456
[distant explosion]

1604
01:38:23.985 --> 01:38:28.250
[chimes clanging]

1605
01:38:28.293 --> 01:38:31.818
- These Russians,
they killed a lot of people.

1606
01:38:31.862 --> 01:38:33.908
And it was, for me, shock,

1607
01:38:33.951 --> 01:38:40.044
also for everybody,
that they--

1608
01:38:40.088 --> 01:38:41.872
[speaking in native language]

1609
01:38:41.916 --> 01:38:43.047
- Raped, yeah.

1610
01:38:43.091 --> 01:38:44.875
When they began,
when they raped

1611
01:38:44.919 --> 01:38:47.834
some women and some children,
it was fuck--

1612
01:38:47.878 --> 01:38:50.663
I can't find,
you know, right words

1613
01:38:50.707 --> 01:38:52.187
and never find.

1614
01:38:52.230 --> 01:38:57.018
I will never find for this,
because it was shock.

1615
01:38:57.061 --> 01:38:59.629
So many children,
so many blood.

1616
01:38:59.672 --> 01:39:03.720
♪

1617
01:39:03.763 --> 01:39:07.245
- Russia is bombing
kindergarten schools,

1618
01:39:07.289 --> 01:39:09.726
maternity hospitals.

1619
01:39:09.769 --> 01:39:15.123
♪

1620
01:39:15.166 --> 01:39:17.864
- They are crimes.
They're not really soldiers.

1621
01:39:17.908 --> 01:39:20.084
They did crime

1622
01:39:20.128 --> 01:39:22.695
against the humanitarian...

1623
01:39:22.739 --> 01:39:25.785
- Right.
- Values.

1624
01:39:25.829 --> 01:39:28.266
- Latvian MPs
have declared Russia

1625
01:39:28.310 --> 01:39:30.355
a state sponsor of terrorism,

1626
01:39:30.399 --> 01:39:32.053
saying its invasion
of Ukraine

1627
01:39:32.096 --> 01:39:34.011
amounted to genocide.

1628
01:39:34.055 --> 01:39:35.708
- Ukrainian officials saying

1629
01:39:35.752 --> 01:39:39.016
there are 1,000
new war crimes investigations

1630
01:39:39.060 --> 01:39:43.325
now underway in just one
newly liberated city.

1631
01:39:43.368 --> 01:39:45.675
- For those who've lived
under occupation,

1632
01:39:45.718 --> 01:39:48.025
it's been hell.

1633
01:39:48.069 --> 01:39:49.940
- There is
very serious erosion

1634
01:39:49.984 --> 01:39:52.334
of moral values in Russia,

1635
01:39:52.377 --> 01:39:53.988
which is dangerous
for the whole world.

1636
01:40:34.463 --> 01:40:38.162
- History will remember
and talk about Zelensky.

1637
01:40:38.206 --> 01:40:40.295
He went
beyond the expectations,

1638
01:40:40.338 --> 01:40:45.039
went beyond what anybody could
have imagined he would do.

1639
01:40:45.082 --> 01:40:48.999
But Russia's
not going anywhere.

1640
01:40:49.043 --> 01:40:51.567
This toxic environment

1641
01:40:51.610 --> 01:40:56.267
doesn't go away
for many, many years.

1642
01:40:56.311 --> 01:40:58.704
- What are the challenges
in the short term?

1643
01:40:58.748 --> 01:41:00.793
- To fly,
you need two wings.

1644
01:41:00.837 --> 01:41:04.101
Don't give me one wing
and waiting,

1645
01:41:04.145 --> 01:41:05.668
when you will fly?

1646
01:41:05.711 --> 01:41:07.757
I will never fly
with one wing.

1647
01:41:07.800 --> 01:41:11.587
I need two,
and if you want me to fly now,

1648
01:41:11.630 --> 01:41:13.806
I need two now.

1649
01:41:13.850 --> 01:41:20.030
So we should win now, jointly,
with all the world now.

1650
01:41:20.074 --> 01:41:23.425
♪

1651
01:41:23.468 --> 01:41:26.210
- It's already
economic warfare,

1652
01:41:26.254 --> 01:41:29.431
sanctions, energy warfare.

1653
01:41:29.474 --> 01:41:33.304
It's refugee flows
destabilizing countries.

1654
01:41:33.348 --> 01:41:36.220
[air raid siren blaring]

1655
01:41:36.264 --> 01:41:39.267
What happens if Russia
starts to fracture,

1656
01:41:39.310 --> 01:41:40.572
Chechens start to break off...

1657
01:41:46.970 --> 01:41:49.233
It's a recipe for the Chinas
of the world

1658
01:41:49.277 --> 01:41:51.409
to make territorial grabs,

1659
01:41:51.453 --> 01:41:55.370
for the Irans of the world
to make territorial grabs.

1660
01:41:55.413 --> 01:41:57.285
- If you want to keep China
out of Taiwan,

1661
01:41:57.328 --> 01:41:58.982
keep Ukraine in the fight.

1662
01:41:59.025 --> 01:42:00.288
Push Russia out,

1663
01:42:00.331 --> 01:42:01.811
and keep that fight
from coming to us,

1664
01:42:01.854 --> 01:42:04.118
'cause if Ukraine loses,
we lose.

1665
01:42:05.467 --> 01:42:08.296
If Ukraine fails, it's not
just a failure for democracy.

1666
01:42:08.339 --> 01:42:11.037
It's a failure
for the global economy,

1667
01:42:11.081 --> 01:42:13.692
because we're seeing
how dependent we all are

1668
01:42:13.736 --> 01:42:15.738
not just on oil and gas,

1669
01:42:15.781 --> 01:42:19.176
but also, global supply chains
are affected.

1670
01:42:19.220 --> 01:42:22.005
So their fight is our fight,

1671
01:42:22.048 --> 01:42:24.050
and the tip of the spear
right now

1672
01:42:24.094 --> 01:42:25.748
is the fight in Ukraine.

1673
01:42:25.791 --> 01:42:28.446
- And if these people

1674
01:42:28.490 --> 01:42:31.449
are ready to kill children,

1675
01:42:31.493 --> 01:42:34.409
are ready to kill civilians,

1676
01:42:34.452 --> 01:42:37.020
why will they stop?

1677
01:42:37.063 --> 01:42:38.195
For what?

1678
01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:42.460
- If Ukraine not stop
the Russia

1679
01:42:42.504 --> 01:42:44.810
and not win,

1680
01:42:44.854 --> 01:42:48.988
they not a reason
to stopping in the future.

1681
01:42:49.032 --> 01:42:51.208
Next will be Moldova.

1682
01:42:51.252 --> 01:42:54.211
Next will be Lithuania,
Poland.

1683
01:42:54.255 --> 01:42:59.129
It means that it will be war
against NATO.

1684
01:42:59.173 --> 01:43:01.958
And it means that,
once again,

1685
01:43:02.001 --> 01:43:04.569
American soldiers

1686
01:43:04.613 --> 01:43:08.182
will be sent
for the new war in Europe.

1687
01:43:34.164 --> 01:43:39.169
I went many cities,
Chicago, Los Angeles, Boston

1688
01:43:39.213 --> 01:43:42.433
what I could with
those money I had,

1689
01:43:42.477 --> 01:43:43.913
not a lot of money,

1690
01:43:43.956 --> 01:43:46.829
to understand,
what does it mean, democracy?

1691
01:43:46.872 --> 01:43:48.787
What does it mean, feeling--
this feeling...

1692
01:43:50.354 --> 01:43:52.313
I loved to run.

1693
01:43:52.356 --> 01:43:53.531
Especially in the morning,

1694
01:43:53.575 --> 01:43:55.664
you could understand
where you live.

1695
01:43:55.707 --> 01:44:02.279
I wanted very much to go
to the country

1696
01:44:02.323 --> 01:44:07.458
where freedom--
to find this feeling.

1697
01:44:07.502 --> 01:44:11.027
Ukrainians so long time

1698
01:44:11.070 --> 01:44:15.640
wanted to be free.
- Hmm.

1699
01:44:15.684 --> 01:44:19.427
- And Ukrainians
didn't understand--me also.

1700
01:44:19.470 --> 01:44:22.778
We didn't understand
that we have to pay for that.

1701
01:44:22.821 --> 01:44:27.043
♪

1702
01:44:27.086 --> 01:44:32.353
And we didn't understand
the high price of it.

1703
01:44:32.396 --> 01:44:36.661
This understanding of freedom
came with a war,

1704
01:44:36.705 --> 01:44:40.970
with the fighting
for this freedom.

1705
01:44:41.013 --> 01:44:44.669
For Americans to understand
what's going on here

1706
01:44:44.713 --> 01:44:47.237
and to understand the price,

1707
01:44:47.281 --> 01:44:51.546
they can feel it only
if they will be on the war,

1708
01:44:51.589 --> 01:44:54.679
and I don't want them
to fight in the war.

1709
01:44:54.723 --> 01:44:58.640
They had already--had already
many different wars,

1710
01:44:58.683 --> 01:45:01.338
many different dead guys
and soldiers

1711
01:45:01.382 --> 01:45:03.253
on different wars.

1712
01:45:03.297 --> 01:45:05.864
If we will not win now,

1713
01:45:05.908 --> 01:45:08.302
Americans will fight

1714
01:45:08.345 --> 01:45:11.305
in some years with this enemy.

1715
01:45:12.567 --> 01:45:17.093
Can tyranny win or not?

1716
01:45:17.136 --> 01:45:20.531
What will be the end
of this war?

1717
01:45:20.575 --> 01:45:26.363
If I fight, I should win,

1718
01:45:26.407 --> 01:45:29.671
because if you
are not ready to win,

1719
01:45:29.714 --> 01:45:31.194
don't fight.

1720
01:45:31.237 --> 01:45:34.719
♪

1721
01:45:34.763 --> 01:45:38.984
[indistinct chatter]

1722
01:45:39.028 --> 01:45:41.204
[laughter]

1723
01:45:44.860 --> 01:45:47.297
- One year ago,
we interviewed you,

1724
01:45:47.341 --> 01:45:48.342
and you said what?

1725
01:46:00.484 --> 01:46:02.921
And...
yeah, yeah.

1726
01:46:12.322 --> 01:46:14.977
[train horn blows]

1727
01:46:15.020 --> 01:46:16.587
[gentle music]

1728
01:46:16.631 --> 01:46:19.677
- I hope, I really hope

1729
01:46:19.721 --> 01:46:24.987
that when he's an old man
and I'm an even older one

1730
01:46:25.030 --> 01:46:26.641
that I might be sitting
with him

1731
01:46:26.684 --> 01:46:30.558
in a peaceful and prosperous
free Kyiv

1732
01:46:30.601 --> 01:46:32.951
laughing like a couple
of kids

1733
01:46:32.995 --> 01:46:37.434
at what William Saroyan called
"the infinite delight

1734
01:46:37.478 --> 01:46:42.352
and mystery of life."

1735
01:46:42.396 --> 01:46:45.311
[gentle music]

1736
01:46:45.355 --> 01:46:48.576
♪

1737
01:46:48.619 --> 01:46:53.363
You have a job as a head
of state to lead...

1738
01:46:53.407 --> 01:46:55.626
♪

1739
01:46:55.670 --> 01:47:01.327
To inspire,
to communicate,

1740
01:47:01.371 --> 01:47:03.808
to sacrifice...

1741
01:47:03.852 --> 01:47:05.723
♪

1742
01:47:05.767 --> 01:47:07.769
It's been said
that leadership's

1743
01:47:07.812 --> 01:47:11.512
first responsibility
is to define reality

1744
01:47:11.555 --> 01:47:15.777
in courage in the face
of unspeakable terror.

1745
01:47:15.820 --> 01:47:18.257
♪

1746
01:47:18.301 --> 01:47:20.825
Volodymyr Zelensky
has done that.

1747
01:47:20.869 --> 01:47:24.176
♪

1748
01:47:24.220 --> 01:47:29.268
And he's done it despite
a next-level problem set.

1749
01:47:29.312 --> 01:47:32.228
He'd done it for his country.

1750
01:47:32.271 --> 01:47:34.883
He'd done it for his children.

1751
01:47:34.926 --> 01:47:38.321
And he'd done it for ours.

1752
01:47:38.364 --> 01:47:43.979
Going to Ukraine, I got filled
with this feeling of unity.

1753
01:47:44.022 --> 01:47:46.460
That's not because
I'm closing my eyes

1754
01:47:46.503 --> 01:47:50.072
to what the cost of it is
right now.

1755
01:47:50.115 --> 01:47:52.161
It was about how they were
paying it

1756
01:47:52.204 --> 01:47:55.338
in common cause.

1757
01:47:55.381 --> 01:47:59.516
The weapons and ammunition
are not being supplied quickly

1758
01:47:59.560 --> 01:48:02.998
or completely,
yet Ukrainians battle on

1759
01:48:03.041 --> 01:48:06.392
with otherworldly courage
in a freedom war

1760
01:48:06.436 --> 01:48:11.310
for sovereignty
and the right to dream.

1761
01:48:11.354 --> 01:48:14.270
And we in the United States,

1762
01:48:14.313 --> 01:48:17.012
if we don't find
common cause,

1763
01:48:17.055 --> 01:48:20.537
then we're only going
backwards.

1764
01:48:20.581 --> 01:48:21.886
And we're gonna kill
each other.

1765
01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:12.720
[gentle music]

1766
01:49:12.763 --> 01:49:19.640
♪

1767
01:51:40.650 --> 01:51:43.435
[The Smile's
"Free In The Knowledge"]

1768
01:51:43.479 --> 01:51:49.877
♪

1769
01:51:49.920 --> 01:51:56.710
- ♪ Free in the knowledge

1770
01:51:56.753 --> 01:52:03.020
♪ That one day this will end

1771
01:52:03.064 --> 01:52:09.723
♪ Free in the knowledge

1772
01:52:09.766 --> 01:52:15.772
♪ That everything is change

1773
01:52:15.816 --> 01:52:19.384
♪ And this

1774
01:52:19.428 --> 01:52:25.434
♪ Was just a bad moment

1775
01:52:25.477 --> 01:52:32.441
♪ We were fumbling around

1776
01:52:32.484 --> 01:52:39.056
♪ But we won't get caught
like that ♪

1777
01:52:39.100 --> 01:52:45.802
♪ Soldiers on our backs

1778
01:52:45.846 --> 01:52:50.807
♪ We won't get caught
like that ♪

1779
01:52:50.851 --> 01:52:53.810
♪

1780
01:52:53.854 --> 01:53:00.425
♪ A face using fear

1781
01:53:00.469 --> 01:53:04.821
♪ To try to keep control

1782
01:53:04.865 --> 01:53:06.954
♪

1783
01:53:06.997 --> 01:53:13.830
♪ When we get together

1784
01:53:13.874 --> 01:53:20.010
♪ Well then who knows

1785
01:53:20.054 --> 01:53:23.361
♪ If this

1786
01:53:23.405 --> 01:53:29.063
♪ Is just a bad moment

1787
01:53:29.106 --> 01:53:34.155
♪ And we are fumbling around

1788
01:53:34.198 --> 01:53:36.331
♪

1789
01:53:36.374 --> 01:53:42.903
♪ But we won't get caught
like that ♪

1790
01:53:42.946 --> 01:53:49.518
♪ Soldiers on our backs

1791
01:53:49.561 --> 01:53:54.523
♪ We won't get caught
like that ♪

1792
01:53:54.566 --> 01:53:58.744
♪

1793
01:53:58.788 --> 01:54:04.838
♪ I talk to the face
in the mirror ♪

1794
01:54:04.881 --> 01:54:11.583
♪ But he can't get through

1795
01:54:11.627 --> 01:54:17.676
♪ I said,
"It's time that you deliver ♪

1796
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♪ We see through you"

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♪ I talk to the face
in the mirror ♪

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♪ But he can't get through

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♪ Turns out
we're in this together ♪

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♪ Both me and you

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♪

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- Mr. President, what's the
first thing you're gonna do

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once Ukraine wins this war?

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[chuckles]

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[upbeat music]

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♪

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- [singing in native language]

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♪