1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:27,021 --> 00:00:29,231 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 4 00:00:47,706 --> 00:00:48,791 MAN: One minute. 5 00:00:49,374 --> 00:00:50,375 One minute. 6 00:00:54,754 --> 00:00:56,339 [BELL RINGS] 7 00:00:58,340 --> 00:00:59,425 Hi. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 8 00:01:00,634 --> 00:01:02,094 - How are you? - MAN: You can go right here. 9 00:01:03,637 --> 00:01:05,931 [UPBEAT COUNTRY ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 10 00:01:06,598 --> 00:01:08,183 {\an8}♪ Good things Utah ♪ 11 00:01:08,183 --> 00:01:10,101 {\an8}♪ Where the good things are ♪ 12 00:01:10,101 --> 00:01:11,603 {\an8}♪ Good things Utah ♪ 13 00:01:11,603 --> 00:01:13,188 {\an8}♪ Where the good things are ♪ 14 00:01:13,188 --> 00:01:15,231 {\an8}♪ Good things Utah ♪ 15 00:01:15,231 --> 00:01:19,235 {\an8}Joining us now is Matt. He's a certified DEI expert. 16 00:01:19,235 --> 00:01:21,737 {\an8}And, Matt, let's start with what you do. 17 00:01:21,737 --> 00:01:23,948 {\an8}What is a certified DEI expert? 18 00:01:23,948 --> 00:01:26,325 {\an8}Well, that's someone who takes you on a journey 19 00:01:26,325 --> 00:01:27,826 {\an8}of diversity and inclusion. 20 00:01:27,826 --> 00:01:30,370 {\an8}And, um, speaking of journeys, you know, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 And, um, speaking of journeys, you know, 21 00:01:30,370 --> 00:01:31,788 {\an8}it's all about how you begin the journey. 22 00:01:31,788 --> 00:01:32,872 We covered this in the workshop. 23 00:01:32,872 --> 00:01:33,957 I'd like to start with 24 00:01:33,957 --> 00:01:35,249 what's called a "land acknowledgement." 25 00:01:35,249 --> 00:01:36,793 I don't know if you're familiar with those. 26 00:01:36,793 --> 00:01:40,671 Um, I brought, uh, one along for this broadcast. 27 00:01:40,671 --> 00:01:43,424 {\an8}Uh, so, I'd like to begin by acknowledging 28 00:01:43,424 --> 00:01:46,635 {\an8}that this broadcast is airing in the traditional lands 29 00:01:46,635 --> 00:01:48,470 {\an8}of the Ute, the Paiute, 30 00:01:48,470 --> 00:01:50,806 {\an8}the Goshute, and the Shoshone tribes. 31 00:01:50,806 --> 00:01:52,849 {\an8}These are the peoples who call this land home 32 00:01:52,849 --> 00:01:56,228 before it was ravaged and ransacked by the white man. 33 00:01:56,228 --> 00:01:58,062 {\an8}And this is a lot of things 34 00:01:58,062 --> 00:02:00,648 {\an8}that we don't necessarily think about. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 that we don't necessarily think about. 35 00:02:00,648 --> 00:02:02,691 - MATT: Mm-hmm. - And this is part 36 00:02:02,691 --> 00:02:05,569 of the journey that you'd like to teach other folks 37 00:02:05,569 --> 00:02:06,820 - in your workshops. - Yeah. 38 00:02:06,820 --> 00:02:07,904 {\an8}If you wouldn't mind, 39 00:02:07,904 --> 00:02:09,698 {\an8}I'd go through the exercise right now. 40 00:02:09,698 --> 00:02:11,366 - Uh... - Go ahead. What is it? 41 00:02:11,366 --> 00:02:13,493 So, can we all do it together? 42 00:02:13,493 --> 00:02:15,078 - Yeah. Do we stand? - Yeah. Yeah, we stand for it. 43 00:02:15,078 --> 00:02:16,162 - Okay. - Okay. 44 00:02:16,162 --> 00:02:18,164 It's very, very simple. I start every day like this. 45 00:02:18,164 --> 00:02:19,957 So what you're doing is you're stretching, 46 00:02:19,957 --> 00:02:22,377 you're stretching, and this is more for you and less for you. 47 00:02:22,377 --> 00:02:24,754 {\an8}You're stretching up like this, 48 00:02:24,754 --> 00:02:26,046 {\an8}- and you're stretching out. - Mm-hmm. 49 00:02:26,046 --> 00:02:28,215 {\an8}What you're doing is you're stretching 50 00:02:28,215 --> 00:02:29,549 {\an8}out of your whiteness. 51 00:02:29,549 --> 00:02:31,676 Okay, so you're decentering your whiteness. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Okay, so you're decentering your whiteness. 52 00:02:31,676 --> 00:02:33,428 You're stretching out of your whiteness. 53 00:02:34,137 --> 00:02:36,806 You're probably wondering if this is real. 54 00:02:36,806 --> 00:02:38,850 The answer is yes. It's real. 55 00:02:38,850 --> 00:02:41,852 That's me. Matt Walsh. In real life. 56 00:02:41,852 --> 00:02:44,355 With the man bun and the skinny jeans 57 00:02:44,355 --> 00:02:48,817 on an actual news show as a certified DEI expert. 58 00:02:48,817 --> 00:02:49,902 {\an8}If you don't know, 59 00:02:49,902 --> 00:02:53,488 {\an8}DEI stands for diversity, equity, and inclusion. 60 00:02:53,488 --> 00:02:55,448 {\an8}It's all the rage right now. 61 00:02:55,448 --> 00:02:56,949 {\an8}But you're still probably asking, 62 00:02:56,949 --> 00:02:59,619 {\an8}what am I doing on this TV show? 63 00:02:59,619 --> 00:03:01,328 How did I get there? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 How did I get there? 64 00:03:01,328 --> 00:03:05,541 And how did I become a certified DEI expert? 65 00:03:05,541 --> 00:03:08,127 Well, it's a complicated story. 66 00:03:08,127 --> 00:03:10,504 [FUNKY MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 67 00:03:49,623 --> 00:03:52,084 I've been a white guy my whole life. 68 00:03:52,835 --> 00:03:54,169 Growing up in the '90s, 69 00:03:54,169 --> 00:03:56,129 I never thought much about race. 70 00:03:56,129 --> 00:03:57,714 I mean, yeah, sure, 71 00:03:57,714 --> 00:03:59,424 you noticed if somebody was Black 72 00:03:59,424 --> 00:04:01,551 or white or Mexican, or whatever, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 or white or Mexican, or whatever, 73 00:04:01,551 --> 00:04:04,386 but it never really seemed to matter that much. 74 00:04:04,386 --> 00:04:05,512 At least not to me. 75 00:04:05,512 --> 00:04:07,681 And we think the vast majority of Americans are racist? 76 00:04:07,681 --> 00:04:09,183 That's what I'm trying... I totally understand. 77 00:04:09,183 --> 00:04:11,727 I think that there is a significant portion, 78 00:04:11,727 --> 00:04:13,061 um, that are racist 79 00:04:13,061 --> 00:04:14,980 - and you can't... - MATT: These days, though, 80 00:04:14,980 --> 00:04:17,773 we're told that racial tensions are high. 81 00:04:17,773 --> 00:04:19,484 It's all over the media. 82 00:04:19,484 --> 00:04:22,153 There are a lot of racists in this country. 83 00:04:22,153 --> 00:04:23,779 {\an8}MAN: We're doing a big story about race in America. 84 00:04:23,779 --> 00:04:24,864 {\an8}Race in America. 85 00:04:24,864 --> 00:04:26,198 {\an8}KAMALA HARRIS: Black, Latino, 86 00:04:26,198 --> 00:04:28,909 {\an8}and Indigenous people are suffering and dying... 87 00:04:28,909 --> 00:04:30,369 {\an8}Violent, white supremacy. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Violent, white supremacy. 88 00:04:30,369 --> 00:04:31,453 {\an8}- White... - White... 89 00:04:31,453 --> 00:04:33,372 {\an8}- White entitlement. - This is America. 90 00:04:33,372 --> 00:04:35,999 {\an8}REPORTER: Overnight growing national unrest. 91 00:04:35,999 --> 00:04:38,502 {\an8}We've gotta do the work. 92 00:04:39,961 --> 00:04:42,130 - Coffee? - Yes. Thank you. 93 00:04:42,130 --> 00:04:43,422 How do you take it? 94 00:04:46,049 --> 00:04:47,426 [TENSE MUSIC BUILDS] 95 00:04:51,722 --> 00:04:52,848 - [MUSIC STOPS] - Black. 96 00:04:59,437 --> 00:05:01,022 That was awkward. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 That was awkward. 97 00:05:01,022 --> 00:05:03,107 Should I not have said "black"? 98 00:05:03,107 --> 00:05:04,692 That's how I like my coffee. 99 00:05:04,692 --> 00:05:06,777 I don't like cream. Is that so wrong? 100 00:05:06,777 --> 00:05:08,654 I don't think the two should be mixed. 101 00:05:08,654 --> 00:05:10,114 Okay, that does sound racist. 102 00:05:10,114 --> 00:05:12,366 Wait, am I racist? 103 00:05:12,866 --> 00:05:13,950 What is racism? 104 00:05:13,950 --> 00:05:17,578 If I'm gonna sort this out, I need to talk to an expert. 105 00:05:17,578 --> 00:05:20,415 Preferably someone outside of my bubble. 106 00:05:20,415 --> 00:05:22,042 Somebody who can speak with authority 107 00:05:22,042 --> 00:05:24,294 about the Black experience in America. 108 00:05:25,044 --> 00:05:26,754 Or I'll just talk to this white woman. 109 00:05:26,754 --> 00:05:27,963 {\an8}This is Kate Slater. 110 00:05:27,963 --> 00:05:30,257 {\an8}She's an anti-racist scholar and educator. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 She's an anti-racist scholar and educator. 111 00:05:30,257 --> 00:05:32,092 - Hi. Nice... - Nice to meet ya. How are ya? 112 00:05:32,092 --> 00:05:33,760 And you are the co-creator 113 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,595 of something called the Anti-Racist 114 00:05:35,595 --> 00:05:37,055 - Roadmap. - Roadmap. Yeah. 115 00:05:37,055 --> 00:05:38,264 So, what... what is that? 116 00:05:38,264 --> 00:05:41,851 After 2020, we saw 117 00:05:41,851 --> 00:05:44,395 a lot of white people saying, 118 00:05:44,395 --> 00:05:47,815 "Okay, I know I need to do the work, 119 00:05:47,815 --> 00:05:49,400 "but I don't know what the work is." 120 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:50,984 So what is the work? 121 00:05:50,984 --> 00:05:53,611 - [CHUCKLES DRILY] - 'Cause I wanna do... 122 00:05:53,611 --> 00:05:54,696 - The work. - Do that. 123 00:05:54,696 --> 00:05:56,114 I wanna do it too, but I don't know what... 124 00:05:56,114 --> 00:05:57,199 What is the work? 125 00:05:57,199 --> 00:06:01,286 I think, for white folks, the work is X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I think, for white folks, the work is 126 00:06:01,286 --> 00:06:04,455 reallocating our resources and privileges 127 00:06:04,455 --> 00:06:07,291 to balance out systemic inequities. 128 00:06:07,291 --> 00:06:10,627 So that means there is a white person who says, 129 00:06:10,627 --> 00:06:12,671 "Okay, I'm ready to interrupt racism," 130 00:06:12,671 --> 00:06:14,255 or, "I'm gonna be really nice 131 00:06:14,255 --> 00:06:15,591 "to that Black or brown person," 132 00:06:15,591 --> 00:06:17,217 because that's the work. 133 00:06:17,217 --> 00:06:19,469 But they're never willing to interrupt 134 00:06:19,469 --> 00:06:20,929 their shitty racist uncle. 135 00:06:20,929 --> 00:06:22,472 That's a powerful example for me. 136 00:06:22,472 --> 00:06:23,806 You mentioned a racist uncle. 137 00:06:23,806 --> 00:06:25,808 - [LAUGHS] I've got one, too. - Yeah. 138 00:06:25,808 --> 00:06:27,267 Well, you're saying, 139 00:06:27,267 --> 00:06:28,853 sometimes we have to confront those people. 140 00:06:28,853 --> 00:06:30,229 Oh, absolutely. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Oh, absolutely. 141 00:06:30,229 --> 00:06:32,898 Because if you're not going to confront them, who is? 142 00:06:32,898 --> 00:06:35,067 When is the right age to talk to our kids 143 00:06:35,067 --> 00:06:36,318 about their racism? 144 00:06:36,860 --> 00:06:39,821 Before they can talk. [LAUGHING] 145 00:06:39,821 --> 00:06:41,114 I mean it. I... 146 00:06:41,114 --> 00:06:42,949 So my six-month-old baby, I used... 147 00:06:42,949 --> 00:06:45,243 Why the hell not? Why the hell not? 148 00:06:45,784 --> 00:06:47,411 My six-month-old... 149 00:06:47,411 --> 00:06:49,205 And honestly, they've gone through six months of life, 150 00:06:49,205 --> 00:06:51,415 I've never talked to them about racism. 151 00:06:51,415 --> 00:06:53,458 So my daughter's four years old. 152 00:06:53,458 --> 00:06:56,669 I am an anti-racist educator, quote-unquote. 153 00:06:56,669 --> 00:06:58,380 She's still watching Disney movies, 154 00:06:58,380 --> 00:07:01,924 and she is choosing a white princess over X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 and she is choosing a white princess over 155 00:07:01,924 --> 00:07:03,385 princesses of color. 156 00:07:03,385 --> 00:07:04,469 Have you talked to her about that? 157 00:07:04,469 --> 00:07:05,595 All the time. 158 00:07:05,595 --> 00:07:07,805 My three-year-old daughter is very... 159 00:07:07,805 --> 00:07:09,515 Her favorite princess is Moana. 160 00:07:09,515 --> 00:07:11,183 - Love it. - It's a good sign. 161 00:07:11,183 --> 00:07:13,310 - Yeah. - But then I also thought, 162 00:07:13,852 --> 00:07:16,396 you know, it's a little bit of cultural appropriation here. 163 00:07:16,396 --> 00:07:17,939 She wants to be Moana for Halloween. 164 00:07:17,939 --> 00:07:19,024 Mm-hmm. 165 00:07:19,024 --> 00:07:21,109 So, how do we navigate that? 166 00:07:21,109 --> 00:07:24,154 - [SIGHS] - Do I go and buy 167 00:07:24,154 --> 00:07:26,781 the Pacific Islander native attire 168 00:07:26,781 --> 00:07:28,240 for my white three-year-old? 169 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,660 Um, I wouldn't. I [BLEEP] wouldn't. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Um, I wouldn't. I [BLEEP] wouldn't. 170 00:07:30,660 --> 00:07:33,578 But I guess, what we might call the Moana problem here 171 00:07:33,578 --> 00:07:37,124 is what, uh, on one hand, is cultural appropriation. 172 00:07:37,124 --> 00:07:38,333 On the other hand, 173 00:07:38,333 --> 00:07:42,086 there's gravitating towards white characters. 174 00:07:42,086 --> 00:07:44,588 - Right. - So it's almost like 175 00:07:44,588 --> 00:07:47,341 no matter which way you go, 176 00:07:47,341 --> 00:07:49,260 - you end up back... - Right. 177 00:07:49,260 --> 00:07:50,678 ...in racism. 178 00:07:50,678 --> 00:07:52,137 We think every space belongs to us 179 00:07:52,137 --> 00:07:54,306 because we live in a white supremacist society. 180 00:07:54,306 --> 00:07:58,435 Is America an inherently racist country? 181 00:07:59,561 --> 00:08:04,023 I think the word "inherent" is challenging there. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I think the word "inherent" is challenging there. 182 00:08:04,023 --> 00:08:05,692 - If we say... - Fundamentally. 183 00:08:05,692 --> 00:08:07,443 Fundamentally, yes. 184 00:08:07,443 --> 00:08:09,403 America is racist to its bones. 185 00:08:10,154 --> 00:08:11,488 - All of the... - So, inherently. 186 00:08:11,488 --> 00:08:12,656 Yeah. 187 00:08:12,656 --> 00:08:14,575 Just to put it as bluntly as possible, 188 00:08:14,575 --> 00:08:16,618 am I racist? 189 00:08:16,618 --> 00:08:19,996 Every white person in America has grown up in a country 190 00:08:19,996 --> 00:08:23,291 where race and racism make up the fabric of our society. 191 00:08:23,291 --> 00:08:25,501 So I don't think anyone moves through this world 192 00:08:25,501 --> 00:08:28,128 with a non-bias, non-racist world view. 193 00:08:28,128 --> 00:08:30,214 So the answer's yes, I am racist. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 So the answer's yes, I am racist. 194 00:08:30,798 --> 00:08:31,924 You said it 195 00:08:32,466 --> 00:08:34,885 What do you recommend to people for resources 196 00:08:34,885 --> 00:08:38,180 if they're just starting on their anti-racist path? 197 00:08:38,180 --> 00:08:39,514 Go to the bookstore 198 00:08:39,514 --> 00:08:40,849 if you're not reading these books. 199 00:08:40,849 --> 00:08:42,601 And then applying what you've learned, 200 00:08:42,601 --> 00:08:45,061 taking what you read about and saying, 201 00:08:45,061 --> 00:08:46,645 "Hey, racist uncle, 202 00:08:46,645 --> 00:08:48,564 "I think we should talk about this." 203 00:08:48,564 --> 00:08:49,690 That you're no good. 204 00:08:49,690 --> 00:08:52,818 I've never, uh, confronted my own racist uncle. 205 00:08:52,818 --> 00:08:54,069 I haven't confronted him. 206 00:08:55,529 --> 00:08:56,822 But it's not ever too late. 207 00:08:56,822 --> 00:08:57,906 No. 208 00:08:58,573 --> 00:08:59,866 No. 209 00:08:59,866 --> 00:09:02,034 Sometimes it means having the conversation X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Sometimes it means having the conversation 210 00:09:02,034 --> 00:09:04,203 that you've been knowing in your heart, 211 00:09:04,203 --> 00:09:05,997 you've been putting off for years. 212 00:09:05,997 --> 00:09:07,081 MATT: Hmm. 213 00:09:08,124 --> 00:09:11,293 If Kate Slater's right, then it's all worse than I thought. 214 00:09:11,293 --> 00:09:14,338 America is racist down to its bones. 215 00:09:14,338 --> 00:09:16,089 And my Uncle Frank, 216 00:09:16,089 --> 00:09:18,258 well, I'll deal with him later. 217 00:09:18,258 --> 00:09:20,135 For now, I've got a lot of reading to do. 218 00:09:20,135 --> 00:09:22,428 {\an8}[LIGHTHEARTED MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 219 00:09:37,276 --> 00:09:39,653 {\an8}So we do have books on anti-racism, 220 00:09:39,653 --> 00:09:41,112 uh, kind of all throughout the store. 221 00:09:41,112 --> 00:09:42,406 There's a lot of, like, newer stuff 222 00:09:42,406 --> 00:09:44,198 that tends to go on the main floor first, but... 223 00:09:44,198 --> 00:09:46,075 {\an8}- Yeah. - ...the bulk of our section, 224 00:09:46,075 --> 00:09:47,285 {\an8}we keep over here. 225 00:09:47,285 --> 00:09:49,078 This is all anti-racism? 226 00:09:49,078 --> 00:09:52,998 Yeah. This section is really just books on anti-racism, 227 00:09:52,998 --> 00:09:54,917 and a lot of the history of racism, 228 00:09:54,917 --> 00:09:56,418 particularly in the United States. 229 00:09:56,418 --> 00:09:58,336 Am I even allowed to touch this one? 230 00:09:58,336 --> 00:10:00,005 Some of these books are provocative. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Some of these books are provocative. 231 00:10:00,005 --> 00:10:01,548 WOMAN: Yes. Definitely. [CHUCKLES] 232 00:10:01,548 --> 00:10:05,385 So, what... Am I allowed to even read this one? 233 00:10:05,385 --> 00:10:06,636 WOMAN: I think you're allowed to read it. 234 00:10:06,636 --> 00:10:09,597 I would not perhaps say the title. [LAUGHS NERVOUSLY] 235 00:10:09,597 --> 00:10:11,974 So I couldn't call you up and say, "Do you have..." 236 00:10:12,892 --> 00:10:16,312 You might say it's a book that starts with "N" 237 00:10:16,312 --> 00:10:17,688 - and it's by this author. - Yeah. 238 00:10:17,688 --> 00:10:19,565 If you were looking for that in particular. 239 00:10:19,565 --> 00:10:20,816 That's probably a level up 240 00:10:20,816 --> 00:10:22,025 - from where I am. - [LAUGHS] 241 00:10:22,025 --> 00:10:23,443 How many of these do you think we need to... 242 00:10:23,443 --> 00:10:26,029 need to get through before we can really understand? 243 00:10:26,029 --> 00:10:29,949 Start with one book, let it sit, see how you feel. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 244 00:10:29,949 --> 00:10:31,867 I feel like reading one book kind of gets you 245 00:10:31,867 --> 00:10:33,035 into a place where it's like, 246 00:10:33,035 --> 00:10:35,412 "You know what? I do want to do more about this." 247 00:10:35,412 --> 00:10:37,915 These are all staff recommendations. 248 00:10:37,915 --> 00:10:40,959 {\an8}Uh, they're all fiction, written by diverse authors, 249 00:10:40,959 --> 00:10:42,711 {\an8}and they're all pretty fun. 250 00:10:42,711 --> 00:10:45,630 Dumb question. You said diverse authors. 251 00:10:45,630 --> 00:10:47,048 What's a diverse person? 252 00:10:47,048 --> 00:10:49,592 Uh, that would be basically people who aren't white, 253 00:10:49,592 --> 00:10:50,801 [CHUCKLES] essentially. 254 00:10:50,801 --> 00:10:53,011 - So, Black, Latinx... - So we can't... 255 00:10:53,011 --> 00:10:55,097 ...Native American, Asian... 256 00:10:55,097 --> 00:10:57,140 So everybody who's not white is diverse. 257 00:10:57,140 --> 00:10:58,516 Well... 258 00:10:58,516 --> 00:11:00,560 Unless you're... say, gay. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Unless you're... say, gay. 259 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:02,062 Yeah. I mean, 260 00:11:02,062 --> 00:11:04,064 it's not just reading Black people, but, you know, 261 00:11:04,064 --> 00:11:05,815 every... Like, there are a lot of different groups 262 00:11:05,815 --> 00:11:08,359 that have faced persecution, and have had a hard time, 263 00:11:08,359 --> 00:11:10,778 and, you know, just being a white, 264 00:11:10,778 --> 00:11:13,739 straight, cisgender person, usually a man, 265 00:11:13,739 --> 00:11:15,991 it's like kind of the top of the pile. 266 00:11:15,991 --> 00:11:17,618 - But, uh... - That's me. 267 00:11:17,618 --> 00:11:18,702 [LAUGHS] 268 00:11:18,702 --> 00:11:19,995 So I'm on the top of the pile. 269 00:11:19,995 --> 00:11:22,163 - Uh... You know... - Where should I start? 270 00:11:22,163 --> 00:11:23,248 White Women , uh, 271 00:11:23,248 --> 00:11:25,041 by Regina Jackson and Saira Rao. 272 00:11:25,041 --> 00:11:28,253 {\an8}Race 2 Dinner is a thing that they do, uh... 273 00:11:28,253 --> 00:11:30,087 Basically, this book is saying, like, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Basically, this book is saying, like, 274 00:11:30,087 --> 00:11:32,882 "We need to stop being nice about racism," 275 00:11:32,882 --> 00:11:35,676 'cause nothing has been advanced by being nice. 276 00:11:35,676 --> 00:11:37,552 {\an8}White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo. 277 00:11:37,552 --> 00:11:39,304 {\an8}Hearing from another white person 278 00:11:39,304 --> 00:11:41,598 {\an8}about ways to have these conversations, 279 00:11:41,598 --> 00:11:43,558 {\an8}and ways to break through your own white fragility, 280 00:11:43,558 --> 00:11:45,560 {\an8}I think, is a really good place to start. 281 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:47,311 Well, a lot to learn, 282 00:11:47,311 --> 00:11:49,022 but we have all the materials here, 283 00:11:49,022 --> 00:11:50,856 - I think... - [CHUCKLES] 284 00:11:50,856 --> 00:11:52,108 ...to start the journey. 285 00:11:52,108 --> 00:11:54,402 - [INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYING] - Beautiful bookstore. 286 00:11:54,402 --> 00:11:56,529 Thank you. We're fond of it. 287 00:11:58,488 --> 00:11:59,489 Thank you. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 288 00:12:01,241 --> 00:12:02,242 Have a good day. 289 00:12:03,201 --> 00:12:05,412 {\an8}[SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING] 290 00:12:13,294 --> 00:12:16,172 {\an8}MAN: Robin DiAngelo's 2018 book, White Fragility, 291 00:12:16,172 --> 00:12:17,256 {\an8}catapulted to the top 292 00:12:17,256 --> 00:12:18,924 {\an8}o f the New York Times best sellers' list. 293 00:12:18,924 --> 00:12:21,176 {\an8}GAYLE KING: Robin DiAngelo is a sociologist, 294 00:12:21,176 --> 00:12:22,594 {\an8}and she's author of this book. 295 00:12:22,594 --> 00:12:24,805 Everyone, please check out her book, White Fragility. 296 00:12:24,805 --> 00:12:26,431 {\an8}Everyone else in the world has. 297 00:12:26,431 --> 00:12:28,433 {\an8}White Fragility, which is, in many cases, 298 00:12:28,433 --> 00:12:30,101 the Bible for white people... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 the Bible for white people... 299 00:12:30,101 --> 00:12:31,477 {\an8}This is the book that we'll be reading. 300 00:12:31,477 --> 00:12:34,146 {\an8}- White Fragility. - Crucial and seminal book. 301 00:12:34,146 --> 00:12:35,773 {\an8}WOMAN: New York Times best-selling list 302 00:12:35,773 --> 00:12:36,982 {\an8}for the third year. 303 00:12:39,526 --> 00:12:42,487 {\an8}MATT: "Racism is the norm rather than an aberration. 304 00:12:43,155 --> 00:12:45,449 "Anti-Blackness is foundational 305 00:12:45,449 --> 00:12:47,784 "to our very identities as white people." 306 00:12:47,784 --> 00:12:48,868 DIANGELO: As a white person, 307 00:12:48,868 --> 00:12:51,787 {\an8}I was just raised to expect the world to be mine. 308 00:12:51,787 --> 00:12:54,039 That's how difficult we are. 309 00:12:54,039 --> 00:12:55,123 Wow. 310 00:12:55,123 --> 00:12:58,085 That's how big, uh, a-holes we are. [LAUGHS] 311 00:12:58,085 --> 00:12:59,169 Yeah. 312 00:12:59,712 --> 00:13:01,755 MATT: "White identity is inherently racist. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 MATT: "White identity is inherently racist. 313 00:13:01,755 --> 00:13:03,006 "White people do not exist 314 00:13:03,006 --> 00:13:05,633 "outside the system of white supremacy." 315 00:13:05,633 --> 00:13:09,095 {\an8}When we say "I'm not racist," what we're conveying 316 00:13:09,095 --> 00:13:11,848 {\an8}is that we're clueless about what racism is. 317 00:13:11,848 --> 00:13:13,640 {\an8}And I would just ask white Americans 318 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,018 {\an8}to remove that phrase from their vocabulary. 319 00:13:16,018 --> 00:13:17,478 {\an8}"I'm not racist." 320 00:13:19,146 --> 00:13:20,814 MATT: "Anger, fear, and guilts, 321 00:13:20,814 --> 00:13:23,441 "and behavior such as argumentation silence 322 00:13:23,441 --> 00:13:26,527 "and withdrawal. These responses work to 323 00:13:26,527 --> 00:13:29,739 {\an8}"maintain our dominance within the racial hierarchy. 324 00:13:29,739 --> 00:13:33,493 {\an8}"I conceptualize this process as white fragility." X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 "I conceptualize this process as white fragility." 325 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,249 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 326 00:13:40,249 --> 00:13:42,376 Robin DiAngelo was right. 327 00:13:42,376 --> 00:13:44,043 Coming to terms with my whiteness 328 00:13:44,043 --> 00:13:45,629 was not going to be easy. 329 00:13:46,380 --> 00:13:48,047 Fortunately, I found a support group 330 00:13:48,047 --> 00:13:50,174 that can help me with my white privilege, 331 00:13:50,174 --> 00:13:53,802 {\an8}run by an anti-racist expert who specializes in grief. 332 00:13:53,802 --> 00:13:56,972 Her fee was $30,000 to host this workshop, 333 00:13:56,972 --> 00:13:59,307 so, obviously, she must be the best. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 334 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:02,435 But I'm worried that, as a well-known conservative, 335 00:14:02,435 --> 00:14:05,480 the support group may not welcome me into their fold. 336 00:14:06,648 --> 00:14:07,732 Maybe I'll use a different name 337 00:14:07,732 --> 00:14:09,359 to help me blend in. 338 00:14:09,817 --> 00:14:12,236 Whatever it takes to continue this journey. 339 00:14:12,236 --> 00:14:14,446 WADE: All right. So, typically, I like 340 00:14:14,446 --> 00:14:17,283 to open up the space with a brief meditation, 341 00:14:17,283 --> 00:14:19,243 so if you feel comfortable, 342 00:14:19,243 --> 00:14:21,953 please ground yourself in your seats. 343 00:14:21,953 --> 00:14:23,622 Close your eyes 344 00:14:23,622 --> 00:14:27,208 and just allow yourself to be fully present in the space. 345 00:14:27,208 --> 00:14:29,210 Whatever that means. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 346 00:14:51,230 --> 00:14:52,690 Are we meditating? 347 00:14:53,274 --> 00:14:54,400 Okay. Sorry. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 348 00:15:08,663 --> 00:15:11,708 When you are ready, open your eyes 349 00:15:11,708 --> 00:15:13,209 and rejoin the space. 350 00:15:16,462 --> 00:15:17,922 All right. So is everybody excited 351 00:15:17,922 --> 00:15:20,132 to talk about anti-racism and grief? 352 00:15:20,132 --> 00:15:22,468 - Absolutely. - [ALL LAUGHING] 353 00:15:22,468 --> 00:15:23,677 WADE: Okay. 354 00:15:23,677 --> 00:15:26,221 So, I usually like to get this started 355 00:15:26,221 --> 00:15:28,389 by just introducing ourselves. 356 00:15:28,389 --> 00:15:30,683 If you could please pronounce your name. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 If you could please pronounce your name. 357 00:15:30,683 --> 00:15:32,643 Uh, please share your pronouns, 358 00:15:32,643 --> 00:15:34,061 how you're feeling today, 359 00:15:34,061 --> 00:15:35,605 as well as the weirdest compliment 360 00:15:35,605 --> 00:15:36,731 you have ever received. 361 00:15:36,731 --> 00:15:40,025 My name is Dan. Uh, my pronouns are he/him. 362 00:15:40,025 --> 00:15:42,236 I'm feeling excited today. 363 00:15:42,236 --> 00:15:43,445 And then the weirdest compliment 364 00:15:43,445 --> 00:15:45,322 I think I've ever received... 365 00:15:45,322 --> 00:15:47,282 I was in the online dating sphere, 366 00:15:47,282 --> 00:15:50,159 and I've gotten the "you look much better in person." 367 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:51,953 - [ALL LAUGHING] - Oh, my God. 368 00:15:53,329 --> 00:15:54,705 Um... 369 00:15:55,331 --> 00:15:56,374 If you wanna stand, you can, 370 00:15:56,374 --> 00:15:57,875 - totally, it's okay. - Okay, I'll just sit down. 371 00:15:57,875 --> 00:15:59,210 Uh, I'm Steven. 372 00:15:59,210 --> 00:16:01,545 Uh, pronouns, I'll... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Uh, pronouns, I'll... 373 00:16:01,545 --> 00:16:03,088 you know, I'll have to get back to you on that. 374 00:16:03,088 --> 00:16:07,968 Um, I'm feeling excited, uh, nervous. 375 00:16:07,968 --> 00:16:09,052 WADE: Mm-hmm. 376 00:16:09,052 --> 00:16:10,637 Uh, present. 377 00:16:11,471 --> 00:16:13,264 A little hungry. [CHUCKLES] But... 378 00:16:13,264 --> 00:16:14,849 The strangest compliment I've ever gotten 379 00:16:14,849 --> 00:16:16,893 is I've been complimented, uh, 380 00:16:16,893 --> 00:16:19,270 on the number of Black friends that I have... 381 00:16:19,270 --> 00:16:20,604 WADE: Hmm. MATT: ...in the past. 382 00:16:20,604 --> 00:16:22,814 So, it's 17, um... 383 00:16:23,565 --> 00:16:25,025 it's a number, but, you know... 384 00:16:25,025 --> 00:16:26,527 Sometimes it comes up, but, um... 385 00:16:27,569 --> 00:16:29,570 That's what people have said, so... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 386 00:16:30,155 --> 00:16:31,156 WADE: Hmm. 387 00:16:31,907 --> 00:16:32,991 Thank you, everybody, 388 00:16:32,991 --> 00:16:36,160 for being willing to participate 389 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,913 and for, first and foremost, being here. 390 00:16:38,913 --> 00:16:41,040 We will not end systemic racism. 391 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,501 It is not possible for us to dismantle a system 392 00:16:44,501 --> 00:16:46,836 that has been around for 400 years, 393 00:16:46,836 --> 00:16:49,255 and has effectively and efficiently 394 00:16:49,255 --> 00:16:51,508 destroyed the lives of millions of people. 395 00:16:51,508 --> 00:16:54,135 You all have been grandfathered into the system. 396 00:16:54,135 --> 00:16:55,761 We are here to focus on you 397 00:16:55,761 --> 00:16:57,430 and your experience and your grief 398 00:16:57,430 --> 00:16:59,848 because that is the source 399 00:16:59,848 --> 00:17:03,101 of downstream anti-Blackness and racism. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 of downstream anti-Blackness and racism. 400 00:17:03,101 --> 00:17:04,812 And quite frankly, I pray to God 401 00:17:04,812 --> 00:17:06,146 you all feel this uncomfortable. 402 00:17:06,146 --> 00:17:11,401 I will be so happy if you all feel extremely uncomfortable, 403 00:17:11,401 --> 00:17:14,529 if you are truly looking at what white supremacy 404 00:17:14,529 --> 00:17:16,906 has done to not only, um, 405 00:17:16,906 --> 00:17:18,490 African Americans, but to yourselves. 406 00:17:18,490 --> 00:17:21,452 You are here to sit amidst whatever suffering 407 00:17:21,452 --> 00:17:23,454 and pain you are experiencing 408 00:17:23,454 --> 00:17:26,373 for the sake of the liberation of others. 409 00:17:26,915 --> 00:17:28,041 That is love. 410 00:17:28,041 --> 00:17:29,334 I don't know if any of you grew up 411 00:17:29,334 --> 00:17:31,252 with a Christian background. I did. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 with a Christian background. I did. 412 00:17:31,252 --> 00:17:33,004 [CHUCKLES] Uh... 413 00:17:33,004 --> 00:17:35,631 But love is also not always patient and kind. 414 00:17:35,631 --> 00:17:37,925 When we are talking about systemic oppression, 415 00:17:37,925 --> 00:17:40,761 and the role that we are playing to mitigate it, 416 00:17:40,761 --> 00:17:43,138 patience is not needed. 417 00:17:43,138 --> 00:17:44,849 People are dying. 418 00:17:45,724 --> 00:17:48,310 Kindness is not what is called for. 419 00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:49,978 We are here to talk about the fact 420 00:17:49,978 --> 00:17:51,771 that Black Americans are not safe. 421 00:17:51,771 --> 00:17:53,815 If I'm going to be quite frank, 422 00:17:53,815 --> 00:17:55,859 when I do this work, and these types of circles, 423 00:17:55,859 --> 00:17:56,985 I'm not safe. 424 00:17:56,985 --> 00:17:58,736 But I do them out of necessity. 425 00:17:58,736 --> 00:17:59,903 Why are you... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 426 00:18:00,488 --> 00:18:02,365 Why are you not safe in the circle? 427 00:18:02,365 --> 00:18:05,367 Being an African American 428 00:18:05,367 --> 00:18:09,704 in primarily white spaces is not safe for me mentally 429 00:18:09,704 --> 00:18:10,788 or emotionally. 430 00:18:10,788 --> 00:18:12,915 We will go into more depth about that, 431 00:18:12,915 --> 00:18:14,584 but I appreciate that question. 432 00:18:14,584 --> 00:18:17,670 These topics may be difficult, and at times, 433 00:18:17,670 --> 00:18:21,257 you may feel overcome by emotions. That's okay. 434 00:18:21,257 --> 00:18:23,425 There is a room to the left. 435 00:18:23,425 --> 00:18:26,052 If you find that your emotions are, um, 436 00:18:26,052 --> 00:18:27,679 interfering with the group process, 437 00:18:27,679 --> 00:18:29,806 I kindly ask you to step aside. 438 00:18:29,806 --> 00:18:31,599 Um, so can we start with you? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Um, so can we start with you? 439 00:18:31,599 --> 00:18:33,809 I'm here because... 440 00:18:35,020 --> 00:18:37,104 I feel like I've been socialized to be an asshole, 441 00:18:37,104 --> 00:18:38,606 and that doesn't feel good. 442 00:18:38,606 --> 00:18:41,150 And my promise to the Black community 443 00:18:41,150 --> 00:18:43,360 is to lean into 444 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:46,530 being brave and uncomfortable, 445 00:18:46,530 --> 00:18:49,408 and to love in inconvenient ways. 446 00:18:49,408 --> 00:18:50,492 Thank you. 447 00:18:50,492 --> 00:18:54,996 Well, I'm here on a journey towards 448 00:18:54,996 --> 00:18:58,582 a brighter future, uh, for myself 449 00:18:58,582 --> 00:19:01,210 and for, you know, hopefully, the world. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 and for, you know, hopefully, the world. 450 00:19:01,210 --> 00:19:04,046 My promise to myself is love. 451 00:19:04,713 --> 00:19:05,923 To love myself. 452 00:19:07,299 --> 00:19:08,341 Which is so important, 453 00:19:08,341 --> 00:19:09,885 and I've struggled so much with that. 454 00:19:10,593 --> 00:19:11,594 [SNIFFLES] 455 00:19:13,054 --> 00:19:14,138 I've struggled so much with it 456 00:19:14,138 --> 00:19:16,724 in my life, to find myself. Um... 457 00:19:17,475 --> 00:19:19,769 My promise to the Black communities... 458 00:19:19,769 --> 00:19:21,645 [SIGHS] to be so much better. 459 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,024 So much better than I have been to them. 460 00:19:27,693 --> 00:19:29,820 To be better in so many better ways. 461 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:32,739 To better myself. To better the world. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 To better myself. To better the world. 462 00:19:32,739 --> 00:19:34,365 And I know that I haven't been better. 463 00:19:35,283 --> 00:19:36,284 I haven't been. 464 00:19:37,535 --> 00:19:38,703 But I'm going to be. 465 00:19:40,371 --> 00:19:41,497 That's my promise. 466 00:19:44,458 --> 00:19:45,542 WADE: Thank you. 467 00:19:47,377 --> 00:19:48,378 Oh. 468 00:19:51,089 --> 00:19:54,551 I am here with the intention 469 00:19:54,551 --> 00:19:56,594 to understand 470 00:19:56,594 --> 00:20:00,389 and learn and, um... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 and learn and, um... 471 00:20:02,183 --> 00:20:03,851 - dig a little bit into... - I'm sorry, can I... 472 00:20:03,851 --> 00:20:05,436 I forgot one other thing I wanted to promise 473 00:20:05,436 --> 00:20:06,645 - the Black community. - Um... 474 00:20:06,645 --> 00:20:08,605 It's really important that we don't interrupt 475 00:20:08,605 --> 00:20:09,689 each other during the group. 476 00:20:09,689 --> 00:20:10,899 - Oh, I'm sorry. - But I appreciate... 477 00:20:10,899 --> 00:20:12,817 I have one other promise for the Black... 478 00:20:12,817 --> 00:20:14,444 - We can circle back around. - Thank you. 479 00:20:14,444 --> 00:20:15,653 Are we going to circle back around? 480 00:20:15,653 --> 00:20:17,071 No. No. Uh... 481 00:20:17,071 --> 00:20:19,073 Other things will come up. That's part of the process. 482 00:20:19,073 --> 00:20:20,700 But I want to be very sure 483 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:22,201 that we respect everybody's time. 484 00:20:22,201 --> 00:20:24,203 Okay. I didn't want someone else to take my promise 485 00:20:24,203 --> 00:20:25,662 to the Black community that I was gonna make. 486 00:20:25,662 --> 00:20:28,123 Well, thank you. Please continue. 487 00:20:28,749 --> 00:20:31,334 The promise that I am making to myself X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 The promise that I am making to myself 488 00:20:31,334 --> 00:20:33,419 is to be elastic. 489 00:20:33,962 --> 00:20:36,881 To use my voice and my privilege, 490 00:20:36,881 --> 00:20:38,383 to be heard. 491 00:20:38,383 --> 00:20:39,467 Uh, to... 492 00:20:39,467 --> 00:20:40,635 That's what I was gonna say, but... 493 00:20:40,635 --> 00:20:42,344 - Please allow her to finish. - Sorry. 494 00:20:42,970 --> 00:20:45,347 If we think about the construction of whiteness 495 00:20:45,347 --> 00:20:46,431 as an identity, 496 00:20:46,431 --> 00:20:49,809 it makes sense that the seeds of white supremacy 497 00:20:49,809 --> 00:20:51,603 are buried within your subconscious, 498 00:20:51,603 --> 00:20:54,147 whether or not you realize it, and without your consent. 499 00:20:54,147 --> 00:20:57,859 It is often uncommon for white Americans 500 00:20:57,859 --> 00:21:00,153 to be aware of their privilege, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 to be aware of their privilege, 501 00:21:00,153 --> 00:21:02,946 let alone how it's functioning on a day-to-day basis. 502 00:21:02,946 --> 00:21:04,407 You said, a moment ago... 503 00:21:04,407 --> 00:21:06,575 - Um, there'll be an oppor... - Can I say something? 504 00:21:06,575 --> 00:21:08,243 Uh, yes. Ask a question. 505 00:21:08,243 --> 00:21:09,327 You said, a moment ago, 506 00:21:09,327 --> 00:21:10,788 that the seeds of white supremacy 507 00:21:11,496 --> 00:21:13,623 - are in all of us. - Yes. 508 00:21:14,499 --> 00:21:16,209 How do we get them out? 509 00:21:16,209 --> 00:21:18,085 That's what the presentation... 510 00:21:18,085 --> 00:21:20,171 We're going through the presentation to discuss that. 511 00:21:20,171 --> 00:21:21,422 If there is another interruption, 512 00:21:21,422 --> 00:21:23,132 I'm going to have to respectfully ask you 513 00:21:23,132 --> 00:21:25,926 to step out and go to the second room to the left. 514 00:21:25,926 --> 00:21:28,554 But next time, I am gonna have to ask you to leave, okay? 515 00:21:28,554 --> 00:21:29,930 Leave for good? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 516 00:21:29,930 --> 00:21:33,224 Just until you're able to rejoin the group 517 00:21:33,224 --> 00:21:35,643 and participate without interruption. 518 00:21:36,436 --> 00:21:37,603 - Yeah? - That's fair. 519 00:21:37,603 --> 00:21:38,688 Okay. Thank you. 520 00:21:39,272 --> 00:21:40,523 [EXHALES LOUDLY] 521 00:21:40,523 --> 00:21:44,026 White supremacy has essentially created a system 522 00:21:44,026 --> 00:21:45,653 driven by grief, 523 00:21:45,653 --> 00:21:48,572 and that is why we are here to discuss 524 00:21:48,572 --> 00:21:50,657 white grief in particular. 525 00:21:50,657 --> 00:21:53,327 I would like you to close your eyes 526 00:21:54,202 --> 00:21:57,997 and spend the next 30 seconds 527 00:21:57,997 --> 00:21:59,582 thinking about, 528 00:21:59,582 --> 00:22:02,835 what does that loss feel like in your body? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 what does that loss feel like in your body? 529 00:22:03,961 --> 00:22:05,671 It feels like a thousand knives 530 00:22:06,505 --> 00:22:07,798 plunging into my soul. 531 00:22:11,176 --> 00:22:12,677 And a sack being... 532 00:22:13,929 --> 00:22:16,681 hit by bats and bricks. 533 00:22:17,182 --> 00:22:20,727 And the whole sack is thrown into the ocean. 534 00:22:21,352 --> 00:22:22,478 Thank you. 535 00:22:22,478 --> 00:22:23,730 That's what it feels like. 536 00:22:24,563 --> 00:22:25,731 And it's very... it's... 537 00:22:25,731 --> 00:22:27,066 - Oh, um... - What? 538 00:22:27,066 --> 00:22:28,359 We're moving to her now. 539 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,361 I... I didn't finish. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I... I didn't finish. 540 00:22:31,027 --> 00:22:32,028 Please finish. 541 00:22:32,028 --> 00:22:33,113 MATT: Um... 542 00:22:34,197 --> 00:22:35,198 The sack's thrown into the ocean, 543 00:22:35,198 --> 00:22:36,657 then the sack's taken out, 544 00:22:37,951 --> 00:22:39,410 and it's set on fire. 545 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:41,246 [MATT SMACKS LIPS] 546 00:22:42,455 --> 00:22:44,374 - Thank you. - That's what it feels like. 547 00:22:44,374 --> 00:22:48,127 I have spent a lot of time in primarily white spaces. 548 00:22:48,794 --> 00:22:51,171 For better or worse. [LAUGHS] So... 549 00:22:51,171 --> 00:22:54,383 And that has come with a cost. 550 00:22:54,383 --> 00:22:56,134 How long will it take until 551 00:22:56,134 --> 00:22:59,053 the next microaggression comes up? 552 00:22:59,053 --> 00:23:02,223 These are things that I carry every time X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 These are things that I carry every time 553 00:23:02,223 --> 00:23:05,726 I am in a room with primarily white people. 554 00:23:05,726 --> 00:23:07,060 You're safe here. 555 00:23:07,060 --> 00:23:09,104 I think I speak for all of us when I say, 556 00:23:09,104 --> 00:23:10,814 in this room... 557 00:23:10,814 --> 00:23:11,899 WADE: I... 558 00:23:11,899 --> 00:23:13,566 - One more interruption... - White folks. 559 00:23:13,566 --> 00:23:15,652 ...I'm gonna have to ask you to step out again. 560 00:23:15,652 --> 00:23:16,861 Okay. I just wanted to reassure you. 561 00:23:16,861 --> 00:23:17,945 WADE: Thank you. I appreciate that. 562 00:23:17,945 --> 00:23:19,697 - I just want to. - Thanks. 563 00:23:19,697 --> 00:23:23,200 So, what do you feel in your body 564 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,162 when you hear the term "white people"? 565 00:23:26,162 --> 00:23:28,497 I feel, like, a cringe about it. 566 00:23:28,497 --> 00:23:29,581 "Cringe" is a good word. 567 00:23:29,581 --> 00:23:31,208 - WADE: Cringe? Yeah? - I couldn't pick a word, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - WADE: Cringe? Yeah? - I couldn't pick a word, 568 00:23:31,208 --> 00:23:33,293 - but that's a very good one. - WADE: Okay. 569 00:23:33,293 --> 00:23:35,671 As soon as you asked the question, I felt, 570 00:23:35,671 --> 00:23:37,213 inside, like a gut... 571 00:23:37,213 --> 00:23:40,175 a little bit of a poke. "Ugh." 572 00:23:40,175 --> 00:23:41,634 And I think it's for all of the reasons, 573 00:23:41,634 --> 00:23:43,636 - but also a little anger... - WADE: Mm-hmm. 574 00:23:43,636 --> 00:23:45,888 ...at whiteness as, um, that lie. 575 00:23:45,888 --> 00:23:46,972 Just, "ugh!" 576 00:23:46,972 --> 00:23:49,058 - WADE: Mm-hmm. Thank you. - [MATT SNICKERS] 577 00:23:50,642 --> 00:23:52,227 - [MUMBLES] - WADE: The thing about... 578 00:23:52,227 --> 00:23:53,437 I'm gonna step out for a moment. 579 00:23:53,437 --> 00:23:54,979 Thank you. Appreciate that. 580 00:23:57,524 --> 00:23:58,858 The thing about... 581 00:23:59,483 --> 00:24:00,944 MATT: Which one is the cry room? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 MATT: Which one is the cry room? 582 00:24:00,944 --> 00:24:02,736 The second door to the left. 583 00:24:02,736 --> 00:24:03,821 Thank you. 584 00:24:05,281 --> 00:24:07,241 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] 585 00:24:07,241 --> 00:24:08,492 MATT: My time in the cry room 586 00:24:08,492 --> 00:24:11,787 allowed me some much-needed reflection and self-care, 587 00:24:11,787 --> 00:24:13,872 but with me out of the room, 588 00:24:13,872 --> 00:24:15,999 the group put two and two together and realized 589 00:24:15,999 --> 00:24:17,792 who I actually was. 590 00:24:17,792 --> 00:24:18,876 Not a guy named Steven. 591 00:24:21,253 --> 00:24:22,922 When I finally returned, 592 00:24:22,922 --> 00:24:25,341 things were drastically different. 593 00:24:26,133 --> 00:24:29,178 When I do this work, the, uh, white participants 594 00:24:29,178 --> 00:24:31,430 in the group feel that there's something in themselves X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 in the group feel that there's something in themselves 595 00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:32,889 - that they have to overcome. - [DOOR OPENS] 596 00:24:33,432 --> 00:24:34,600 When all that's 597 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,226 - being requested of you... - [CLEARS THROAT] 598 00:24:36,226 --> 00:24:38,561 ...is that you be. 599 00:24:38,561 --> 00:24:40,021 - Hello. - MATT: Hi. 600 00:24:40,021 --> 00:24:41,272 WADE: How are you? 601 00:24:42,398 --> 00:24:44,066 - Sorry about that. - Oh, no problem. 602 00:24:45,025 --> 00:24:46,652 - You good? - Yeah. 603 00:24:46,652 --> 00:24:47,903 Remind me of your name again? 604 00:24:47,903 --> 00:24:50,280 Uh... Uh, Steven. 605 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,907 Steven? Yeah? Okay. 606 00:24:51,907 --> 00:24:53,075 Um... 607 00:24:54,243 --> 00:24:56,119 - Did you want to come up? - Come up? 608 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,288 Yeah. Do you wanna come up and share anything? 609 00:24:59,748 --> 00:25:00,999 Sure. What do you want me to share? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Sure. What do you want me to share? 610 00:25:00,999 --> 00:25:02,375 Whatever's on your mind. 611 00:25:02,375 --> 00:25:04,043 I just want to know that, like, my physical safety 612 00:25:04,043 --> 00:25:06,962 and yours and everybody else's here is okay. 613 00:25:06,962 --> 00:25:09,089 Why would your physical safety not be okay? 614 00:25:09,089 --> 00:25:10,215 Did I miss something? 615 00:25:14,427 --> 00:25:15,553 I don't feel comfortable. 616 00:25:16,889 --> 00:25:18,390 What... Can you guys 617 00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:19,807 catch me up to speed on what's going on here? 618 00:25:19,807 --> 00:25:20,975 You don't need to be caught up. 619 00:25:20,975 --> 00:25:22,810 We're gonna be silent. 620 00:25:23,395 --> 00:25:25,146 Is it because I said I had 17 Black friends? 621 00:25:25,146 --> 00:25:27,106 It might have been 15. I... 622 00:25:27,106 --> 00:25:28,524 It depends on how you count them. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 623 00:25:30,692 --> 00:25:32,653 I would really appreciate it if you left, 624 00:25:32,653 --> 00:25:34,946 so that the people who actually want to be here 625 00:25:34,946 --> 00:25:36,490 and deserve to be here can get what they need. 626 00:25:36,490 --> 00:25:38,449 - I do want to be here. - Can you please leave? 627 00:25:38,449 --> 00:25:39,993 I would like it if you left. 628 00:25:39,993 --> 00:25:41,661 I'm trying to learn. I'm on this journey. 629 00:25:42,245 --> 00:25:43,538 Come with me. 630 00:25:43,538 --> 00:25:44,914 - Well... - WADE: Thank you. 631 00:25:44,914 --> 00:25:47,625 I didn't... I didn't consent to be touched. 632 00:25:47,625 --> 00:25:49,251 I'm not offering to touch you. 633 00:25:49,251 --> 00:25:50,502 I'm offering to walk you out. 634 00:25:50,502 --> 00:25:52,629 Will you walk with me, and I'll answer your questions? 635 00:25:52,629 --> 00:25:54,714 Okay. I'll admit it. 636 00:25:54,714 --> 00:25:56,508 I'll admit it. My name's not Steven. 637 00:25:56,508 --> 00:25:57,801 WADE: Hmm. 638 00:25:57,801 --> 00:25:59,803 Maybe you already knew that. 639 00:25:59,803 --> 00:26:00,887 My name is Matt Walsh. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 My name is Matt Walsh. 640 00:26:00,887 --> 00:26:02,430 - WADE: Mm-hmm - Mm-hmm. We know. 641 00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:06,642 I just was here on this... 642 00:26:06,642 --> 00:26:08,894 on this journey that I'm just starting, but... 643 00:26:09,770 --> 00:26:11,314 I see that I'm not wanted. 644 00:26:11,314 --> 00:26:12,981 If you were on your journey, 645 00:26:12,981 --> 00:26:14,232 then you would've told us who you were 646 00:26:14,232 --> 00:26:15,608 and your real name, but you didn't. 647 00:26:15,608 --> 00:26:16,693 - Please leave. - Are you saying 648 00:26:16,693 --> 00:26:18,028 I need a better disguise? Is that what you... 649 00:26:18,028 --> 00:26:19,362 I don't know. Maybe. 650 00:26:19,362 --> 00:26:20,863 But you can figure that out as you walk out the door. 651 00:26:20,863 --> 00:26:21,948 WOMAN 1: How did you get in here? 652 00:26:21,948 --> 00:26:23,199 WOMAN 2: We all had an invitation. 653 00:26:23,199 --> 00:26:25,326 - Maybe. - Yeah. Maybe. 654 00:26:25,326 --> 00:26:26,786 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] 655 00:26:26,786 --> 00:26:27,870 MATT: Thank you so much. 656 00:26:27,870 --> 00:26:31,165 I really had a transformative experience myself. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I really had a transformative experience myself. 657 00:26:31,165 --> 00:26:33,292 And my pronouns are he/him. 658 00:26:40,090 --> 00:26:42,175 [INDISTINCT POLICE RADIO CHATTER] 659 00:26:43,801 --> 00:26:45,886 I did everything I could to fit in. 660 00:26:45,886 --> 00:26:46,971 I opened up. 661 00:26:47,472 --> 00:26:49,640 I was raw and emotional. 662 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,684 I told them about my Black friends. 663 00:26:52,434 --> 00:26:54,853 It was no use. They rejected me. 664 00:26:54,853 --> 00:26:56,271 And they called the police. 665 00:26:56,980 --> 00:26:59,733 My mere presence in the room caused them pain. 666 00:26:59,733 --> 00:27:01,526 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS] 667 00:27:01,526 --> 00:27:03,987 I'll never be accepted if I look like this. 668 00:27:05,529 --> 00:27:07,073 If they know that I'm Matt Walsh, 669 00:27:07,073 --> 00:27:09,075 I'll always be an outsider. 670 00:27:09,992 --> 00:27:11,994 I need to go deeper undercover. 671 00:27:11,994 --> 00:27:13,537 A whole new identity. 672 00:27:14,162 --> 00:27:16,790 If I want to be an ally, I need to look like one. 673 00:27:17,624 --> 00:27:19,542 Like someone who is progressive, 674 00:27:19,542 --> 00:27:21,586 tolerant, enlightened. 675 00:27:21,586 --> 00:27:22,920 Let me think. 676 00:27:23,630 --> 00:27:25,923 Have I ever met anyone like that? 677 00:27:26,758 --> 00:27:28,050 Ah, yes. 678 00:27:28,050 --> 00:27:29,176 Yes, I have. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 679 00:27:30,970 --> 00:27:32,096 What is a woman? 680 00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:38,519 Why do you ask that question? 681 00:27:39,019 --> 00:27:41,521 [DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING] 682 00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:56,951 [MUSIC FADING OUT] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 683 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,583 {\an8}It's time to get serious about my anti-racist training. 684 00:28:05,251 --> 00:28:06,294 {\an8}And it's not gonna be cheap. 685 00:28:06,961 --> 00:28:08,504 - Nice to meet you. - I'm Matt. How are you? 686 00:28:08,504 --> 00:28:09,880 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 687 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,549 I guess I'll take my seat here. 688 00:28:11,549 --> 00:28:14,635 [HIP-HOP MUSIC PLAYING, DO THE WORK! BY BRYSON GRAY] 689 00:28:15,093 --> 00:28:17,012 [RAPPING] ♪ I'ma show ya'll how to stop being racist ♪ 690 00:28:17,012 --> 00:28:18,305 ♪ You gotta do the work though ♪ 691 00:28:19,431 --> 00:28:21,099 BYRD: What is race? 692 00:28:21,099 --> 00:28:23,726 ♪ Okay, don't be a bigot Post a black square ♪ 693 00:28:23,726 --> 00:28:25,978 {\an8}♪ Drink Bud Light Put blue dye in your hair ♪ 694 00:28:25,978 --> 00:28:27,438 {\an8}♪ Tell your sons to put on a dress ♪ 695 00:28:27,438 --> 00:28:29,691 {\an8}♪ Who cares what they wear? Ukraine flag in bio ♪ 696 00:28:29,691 --> 00:28:31,067 ♪ Okay, we're almost there ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 ♪ Okay, we're almost there ♪ 697 00:28:31,984 --> 00:28:35,862 So it emerged in the late 1600s essentially. 698 00:28:37,113 --> 00:28:39,282 MATT: Did race exist as a reality before? 699 00:28:39,282 --> 00:28:41,284 We made race exist. 700 00:28:41,785 --> 00:28:44,495 ♪ Don't be early for work, that's white supremacy ♪ 701 00:28:44,495 --> 00:28:46,789 ♪ And if you drink, make sure it's Hennessy ♪ 702 00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:49,292 {\an8}♪ Math is racist too, so check the history ♪ 703 00:28:49,292 --> 00:28:51,419 {\an8}♪ And if you don't see it, then check your memory ♪ 704 00:28:52,502 --> 00:28:54,714 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 705 00:28:54,714 --> 00:28:57,466 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 706 00:28:57,466 --> 00:28:59,884 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 707 00:28:59,884 --> 00:29:01,303 ♪ Let go of your white privilege ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 ♪ Let go of your white privilege ♪ 708 00:29:01,303 --> 00:29:02,512 ♪ Do the work, work, work ♪ 709 00:29:02,512 --> 00:29:04,806 Now that we've talked a little bit about what race is, 710 00:29:04,806 --> 00:29:07,266 then what is racism? 711 00:29:07,266 --> 00:29:09,893 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 712 00:29:09,893 --> 00:29:12,355 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 713 00:29:12,355 --> 00:29:14,106 Robin DiAngelo, so she's the author 714 00:29:14,106 --> 00:29:15,399 of the book, White Fragility. 715 00:29:16,441 --> 00:29:18,443 {\an8}She talks about the system of racism 716 00:29:18,443 --> 00:29:21,738 that we have in the US is based on white supremacy. 717 00:29:21,738 --> 00:29:23,698 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 718 00:29:23,698 --> 00:29:26,368 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 719 00:29:27,535 --> 00:29:29,787 This is why a conversation about reparations 720 00:29:29,787 --> 00:29:31,538 and about repair is important. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 and about repair is important. 721 00:29:31,538 --> 00:29:34,000 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 722 00:29:34,625 --> 00:29:37,294 Ultimately, should we be a colorblind society is what 723 00:29:37,294 --> 00:29:39,713 Martin Luther King said, not to judge people 724 00:29:39,713 --> 00:29:41,089 by the color of their skin. 725 00:29:41,089 --> 00:29:43,008 Um, so Martin Luther King said a lot of stuff, 726 00:29:43,008 --> 00:29:44,467 but he knew about institutional, 727 00:29:44,467 --> 00:29:46,094 interpersonal and internalized racism. 728 00:29:46,094 --> 00:29:49,013 I've been told, because I'm a white male, 729 00:29:49,013 --> 00:29:51,140 I'm kind of at the top of the pile. 730 00:29:51,140 --> 00:29:53,142 How do I get down from the top 731 00:29:53,142 --> 00:29:55,310 if I say I don't want that advantage? 732 00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:56,436 Um... 733 00:29:56,436 --> 00:29:58,313 I don't think you necessarily can. 734 00:29:58,313 --> 00:30:00,524 [DO THE WORK! CONTINUES PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 [DO THE WORK! CONTINUES PLAYING] 735 00:30:03,067 --> 00:30:06,029 {\an8}The reason we cannot be colorblind now 736 00:30:06,029 --> 00:30:08,907 is because we're still working on the problem. 737 00:30:09,365 --> 00:30:11,825 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 738 00:30:11,825 --> 00:30:14,328 ♪ Let go of your white privilege, do the work ♪ 739 00:30:14,328 --> 00:30:16,580 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 740 00:30:16,580 --> 00:30:19,416 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 741 00:30:19,416 --> 00:30:21,584 {\an8}♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 742 00:30:21,584 --> 00:30:23,878 {\an8}♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 743 00:30:31,177 --> 00:30:33,345 [LIGHT ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 744 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,598 I'm DEI certified. How are you? 745 00:30:37,474 --> 00:30:39,142 DEI certified. I'm here to help. 746 00:30:39,976 --> 00:30:42,312 DEI certified. If you need some help, let me know, sir. 747 00:30:46,983 --> 00:30:48,401 I'm DEI certified. 748 00:30:48,401 --> 00:30:49,485 - What? - What? 749 00:30:49,485 --> 00:30:51,070 Let me know if you need some help. I'm DEI certified. 750 00:30:51,070 --> 00:30:52,154 Oh, good. 751 00:30:52,154 --> 00:30:53,656 If you need any help, just let me know. 752 00:30:54,281 --> 00:30:56,491 My name's Matt. I am, uh, certified 753 00:30:56,491 --> 00:30:58,327 in diversity, equity, and inclusion. 754 00:30:58,327 --> 00:31:00,454 Just got my certification. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Just got my certification. 755 00:31:00,454 --> 00:31:02,539 Just letting you know I am DEI certified. 756 00:31:02,539 --> 00:31:05,208 - DEI certified. - What is DEI? 757 00:31:05,208 --> 00:31:07,335 You're in good hands here. I am qualified to have 758 00:31:07,335 --> 00:31:09,212 these kinds of important dialogues. 759 00:31:09,212 --> 00:31:10,296 So I guess I'll start with, 760 00:31:10,296 --> 00:31:12,715 where are you guys in your anti-racist journeys? 761 00:31:14,175 --> 00:31:16,510 Just talk to me about, uh, decentering your whiteness 762 00:31:16,510 --> 00:31:18,136 and where you are on that journey. 763 00:31:18,136 --> 00:31:20,347 -"Decentering my whiteness." - Yeah. 764 00:31:20,347 --> 00:31:23,558 Why do I have to go away from my whiteness 765 00:31:23,558 --> 00:31:24,892 and decentralize it? 766 00:31:24,892 --> 00:31:27,812 I recently actually took a masters level course, 767 00:31:27,812 --> 00:31:30,106 um, about inclusion and diversity. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 um, about inclusion and diversity. 768 00:31:30,106 --> 00:31:32,191 Have you heard of DiversityAndInclusion.com? 769 00:31:32,191 --> 00:31:33,735 I have not. 770 00:31:33,735 --> 00:31:35,152 Couple of different prestigious institutions. 771 00:31:35,152 --> 00:31:37,071 We all go to different schools, but go ahead. 772 00:31:37,071 --> 00:31:39,072 There were some things that, 773 00:31:39,072 --> 00:31:41,742 you know, kind of brought to my thought process 774 00:31:41,742 --> 00:31:43,409 during that course that I had never... 775 00:31:43,409 --> 00:31:44,661 - Like what? - ...thought about before. 776 00:31:44,661 --> 00:31:47,705 Um, just about my own thinking. 777 00:31:47,705 --> 00:31:50,125 When you start thinking about how you feel, 778 00:31:50,125 --> 00:31:51,376 but you maybe don't want to feel. 779 00:31:51,376 --> 00:31:52,835 [CHUCKLES] Does that make sense? 780 00:31:52,835 --> 00:31:55,337 It does make sense. What do you mean? 781 00:31:55,337 --> 00:31:56,421 Um... 782 00:31:56,421 --> 00:31:58,215 All I know is that, like, 783 00:31:58,215 --> 00:32:01,093 I am white, and I am not racist. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I am white, and I am not racist. 784 00:32:01,093 --> 00:32:02,844 That's how we, uh, deal with racism? 785 00:32:02,844 --> 00:32:05,179 We just... We just say, "Oh, it's not happening." 786 00:32:05,179 --> 00:32:06,848 Yeah, the more you talk about it, 787 00:32:06,848 --> 00:32:10,977 the more you are blatantly acknowledging race. 788 00:32:10,977 --> 00:32:12,436 And if you wanna forget it... 789 00:32:12,436 --> 00:32:14,230 - We have to acknowledge it. - You need to shut up about it. 790 00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:15,356 I don't want to forget about it. 791 00:32:15,356 --> 00:32:17,650 It's cool, like, you can flash your card all you want, 792 00:32:17,650 --> 00:32:19,735 but you gotta be a real human at some point in your life. 793 00:32:19,735 --> 00:32:21,194 - Did you see the card? - I don't give a damn 794 00:32:21,194 --> 00:32:22,863 - about your card, bro. - Let's see it. 795 00:32:22,863 --> 00:32:24,864 Look, we're not gonna solve racism in this conversation, 796 00:32:24,864 --> 00:32:26,408 but we can all agree 797 00:32:26,408 --> 00:32:28,159 that you guys have some things to learn. 798 00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:30,370 I feel like you're the most racist person X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I feel like you're the most racist person 799 00:32:30,370 --> 00:32:32,371 - I've ever talked to. - [CHUCKLES] 800 00:32:32,371 --> 00:32:35,082 One of us got the license, the other one didn't, so... 801 00:32:35,082 --> 00:32:38,252 You just sound like a really racist person. 802 00:32:38,252 --> 00:32:39,711 That I am. I've realized that. 803 00:32:39,711 --> 00:32:41,588 - I've been told that. - Why do you admit that? 804 00:32:41,588 --> 00:32:43,715 Because denying it doesn't make it go away. 805 00:32:43,715 --> 00:32:45,258 We can't all be certified experts. 806 00:32:45,258 --> 00:32:46,760 - [CHUCKLES] - I mean, I am, 807 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,844 - but we can't all be. - [BOTH LAUGH] 808 00:32:49,345 --> 00:32:50,346 All right. 809 00:32:50,346 --> 00:32:52,014 We're still on a journey, all of us together. 810 00:32:52,014 --> 00:32:53,766 - Yeah. - That's my motto. 811 00:32:54,434 --> 00:32:56,561 I think you got some journeying to do. 812 00:32:57,603 --> 00:32:58,854 MATT: I know I make this look easy, 813 00:32:58,854 --> 00:33:01,773 but DEI work is harder than you think. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 but DEI work is harder than you think. 814 00:33:01,773 --> 00:33:03,525 I still have a lot to learn. 815 00:33:05,068 --> 00:33:06,695 {\an8}A viral video from September 816 00:33:06,695 --> 00:33:09,864 {\an8}at ASU's multi-cultural center ignited a firestorm. 817 00:33:09,864 --> 00:33:12,075 - What'd I do wrong? - WOMAN 1: You have a bag... 818 00:33:12,075 --> 00:33:13,742 WOMAN 2: You're... You're offensive. 819 00:33:13,742 --> 00:33:15,161 You're making this space uncomfortable. 820 00:33:15,161 --> 00:33:16,245 ...uncomfortable. 821 00:33:16,245 --> 00:33:17,455 WOMAN 2: But you're white. 822 00:33:17,455 --> 00:33:20,207 This white man thinks he can take up our space, 823 00:33:20,207 --> 00:33:22,375 and this is why we need a multi-cultural space. 824 00:33:22,375 --> 00:33:25,462 You are racist! Your sticker's racist because 825 00:33:25,462 --> 00:33:27,047 you can choose to be a cop, 826 00:33:27,047 --> 00:33:29,382 you can choose to kill people with a badge, 827 00:33:29,382 --> 00:33:30,842 and you're protecting that shit, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 and you're protecting that shit, 828 00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:33,010 which means that you're racist! 829 00:33:33,010 --> 00:33:35,221 MATT: Meet the charming young lady from that video. 830 00:33:35,221 --> 00:33:36,388 {\an8}Sarra Tekola. 831 00:33:36,388 --> 00:33:38,765 {\an8}Founding member of Black Lives Matter, Phoenix. 832 00:33:38,765 --> 00:33:42,185 {\an8}She has a Ph.D. in Sustainability, which means 833 00:33:42,185 --> 00:33:44,104 something really important, I'm sure. 834 00:33:44,104 --> 00:33:47,273 She's agreed to help me learn how to decolonize myself. 835 00:33:47,273 --> 00:33:49,567 For a $1,500 fee, of course. 836 00:33:49,567 --> 00:33:50,986 So let's just get this kicked off. 837 00:33:50,986 --> 00:33:53,028 I'm a white guy myself. 838 00:33:53,028 --> 00:33:54,739 What's up with white people? 839 00:33:54,739 --> 00:33:56,407 Um, where do we start? 840 00:33:56,407 --> 00:33:57,950 Let me reframe the question a little bit. 841 00:33:57,950 --> 00:34:00,953 What's wrong with white people? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 What's wrong with white people? 842 00:34:00,953 --> 00:34:03,580 A lot of it has to do with cognitive dissidence 843 00:34:03,580 --> 00:34:06,666 which allows, um, white people 844 00:34:06,666 --> 00:34:08,377 to feel okay about what happened. 845 00:34:08,377 --> 00:34:11,963 There's actually a lot of studies on Nazi doctors, 846 00:34:11,963 --> 00:34:16,425 and how they were able to, um, live with themselves. 847 00:34:16,425 --> 00:34:19,637 Um, and it's not that much different than white Americans 848 00:34:19,637 --> 00:34:22,097 or white people around the world, right? 849 00:34:22,097 --> 00:34:24,016 It's this splitting of the self. 850 00:34:24,016 --> 00:34:25,267 And so, um, 851 00:34:25,267 --> 00:34:28,020 you have this part of you that knows 852 00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:30,688 that they did wrong, the shadow self, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 that they did wrong, the shadow self, 853 00:34:30,688 --> 00:34:32,357 and that you have to split that. 854 00:34:32,357 --> 00:34:34,191 And you have the other self that's like, 855 00:34:34,191 --> 00:34:36,027 "Oh, I didn't do anything wrong. 856 00:34:36,027 --> 00:34:37,444 "Racism? Why are you blaming me 857 00:34:37,444 --> 00:34:40,281 "for what my ancestors did? It's not my fault." 858 00:34:40,281 --> 00:34:42,908 Is racism inherent to whiteness? 859 00:34:42,908 --> 00:34:44,242 I would say so. 860 00:34:44,242 --> 00:34:46,286 I would say that we need to abolish whiteness. 861 00:34:46,286 --> 00:34:49,330 It's always been rooted in othering the other people 862 00:34:49,330 --> 00:34:50,916 who don't fit into whiteness, 863 00:34:50,916 --> 00:34:52,750 but when we look at white culture, 864 00:34:52,750 --> 00:34:54,669 the only thing about white culture 865 00:34:54,669 --> 00:34:57,422 is buying things and stealing things. 866 00:34:57,422 --> 00:34:58,673 How do I... 867 00:34:59,715 --> 00:35:02,676 confront my shadow, my shadow self? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 confront my shadow, my shadow self? 868 00:35:02,676 --> 00:35:05,137 Acknowledging the parts of you that are racist, 869 00:35:05,137 --> 00:35:07,514 and then being able to unpack and unlearn those. 870 00:35:07,514 --> 00:35:08,848 Could I say, if someone called me racist, 871 00:35:08,848 --> 00:35:10,141 could I say, "Well, I'm not racist." 872 00:35:10,141 --> 00:35:12,811 "My shadow self is, but I'm not"? 873 00:35:12,811 --> 00:35:14,270 It's the splitting of the self. 874 00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:16,480 Like I said in the beginning about Nazi doctors. 875 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,066 The fact that you have two selves is a problem. 876 00:35:19,066 --> 00:35:21,234 The more that you can merge it together, 877 00:35:21,234 --> 00:35:23,278 then you could be able to acknowledge these dark sides. 878 00:35:23,278 --> 00:35:24,613 But I don't want to merge it, 879 00:35:24,613 --> 00:35:25,989 because the shadow self is racist, 880 00:35:25,989 --> 00:35:28,783 so I don't want to be merged, right? I want to... 881 00:35:28,783 --> 00:35:30,327 - separate. - No. You have to. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - separate. - No. You have to. 882 00:35:30,327 --> 00:35:32,912 Yeah, because, uh, the thing is, 883 00:35:32,912 --> 00:35:34,914 when you don't merge them together, 884 00:35:34,914 --> 00:35:37,291 your shadow self is out here being racist, 885 00:35:37,291 --> 00:35:38,750 and you're not even aware of it, 886 00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:40,211 because that self, right... 887 00:35:40,211 --> 00:35:42,296 So I gotta pull him in. I gotta merge him with mine. 888 00:35:42,296 --> 00:35:44,631 - Yeah. - But then make it all... 889 00:35:44,631 --> 00:35:45,716 - Yeah. - ...not racist. 890 00:35:45,716 --> 00:35:47,050 Yes. 891 00:35:47,050 --> 00:35:50,303 I'm wondering, where do I go from here as an individual 892 00:35:51,930 --> 00:35:53,848 on this anti-racist journey? 893 00:35:53,848 --> 00:35:55,475 You just know whose land you're on. 894 00:35:55,475 --> 00:35:57,435 Our existence as Americans 895 00:35:57,435 --> 00:35:59,479 is predicated on other people's suffering. 896 00:35:59,479 --> 00:36:00,980 Learn about who is suffering X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Learn about who is suffering 897 00:36:00,980 --> 00:36:04,024 because of our existence on... on this stolen land. 898 00:36:04,024 --> 00:36:06,443 It is important to feel bad, 899 00:36:06,443 --> 00:36:09,070 um, about what your ancestors did. 900 00:36:09,070 --> 00:36:11,072 - Embrace the pain. - Yes. 901 00:36:11,072 --> 00:36:13,616 [DO THE WORK! BY BRYSON GRAY PLAYS] 902 00:36:14,993 --> 00:36:17,328 MATT: To be a good ally, I need to be an activist. 903 00:36:17,328 --> 00:36:20,748 Our nation is littered with relics from our racist past. 904 00:36:20,748 --> 00:36:23,125 I'm on a mission to right historical wrongs. 905 00:36:23,751 --> 00:36:25,335 I needed some help, so I asked Ben, 906 00:36:25,335 --> 00:36:27,462 one of my 17 Black friends, 907 00:36:27,462 --> 00:36:30,548 {\an8}to join me on my quest to change the world. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 to join me on my quest to change the world. 908 00:36:30,548 --> 00:36:31,633 We have a petition. 909 00:36:31,633 --> 00:36:34,093 Uh, we're hoping that maybe you'd be willing to sign it. 910 00:36:34,093 --> 00:36:35,344 We have a petition. We want to rename 911 00:36:35,344 --> 00:36:36,428 the George Washington Monument. 912 00:36:36,428 --> 00:36:37,513 To? 913 00:36:37,513 --> 00:36:39,556 {\an8}MATT: To the George Floyd Monument. 914 00:36:40,516 --> 00:36:41,517 Because, of course, 915 00:36:41,517 --> 00:36:42,768 George Washington was a slave owner. 916 00:36:42,768 --> 00:36:44,186 - Yep. - And so in some ways, 917 00:36:44,186 --> 00:36:46,397 this is symbolic. Symmetry, it's George for George, 918 00:36:46,397 --> 00:36:48,064 you might say. Would you mind signing? 919 00:36:48,064 --> 00:36:50,191 - I don't see why not. I will. - Okay. 920 00:36:50,191 --> 00:36:51,317 - Yeah. Sure. - Yeah. 921 00:36:51,317 --> 00:36:52,777 Oh, man. I love that. 922 00:36:52,777 --> 00:36:54,612 We're talking about painting it black. 923 00:36:54,612 --> 00:36:56,239 We're gonna raise it 30%, 924 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,198 um, increasing it in height. 925 00:36:58,198 --> 00:36:59,324 Excuse me, sir. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 926 00:37:00,284 --> 00:37:02,369 Sir, we have a petition. Sir? 927 00:37:03,037 --> 00:37:05,414 For historical inequities to redress... 928 00:37:05,414 --> 00:37:06,915 Is there a Black person around here? 929 00:37:06,915 --> 00:37:08,750 I would hug them and apologize to them 930 00:37:08,750 --> 00:37:09,918 all day long for what happened. 931 00:37:09,918 --> 00:37:11,210 {\an8}There's a Black person right here. 932 00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:12,336 {\an8}Does he not exist? 933 00:37:12,336 --> 00:37:14,297 I'm sorry. I just didn't look that direction. 934 00:37:14,714 --> 00:37:16,549 {\an8}Sounds like you're in the habit of overlooking 935 00:37:16,549 --> 00:37:17,675 marginalized communities. 936 00:37:18,051 --> 00:37:19,052 {\an8}Brother. 937 00:37:20,136 --> 00:37:21,887 {\an8}You are an American. I love you. 938 00:37:21,887 --> 00:37:24,598 {\an8}I'm sorry for what happened in the past. I really am. 939 00:37:24,598 --> 00:37:25,683 {\an8}Let's just sign it and move on. 940 00:37:25,683 --> 00:37:27,559 You don't have an opinion, but you'll sign it anyway? 941 00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:29,102 If that's what you'd like me to, I can help. 942 00:37:29,102 --> 00:37:31,229 - I would like you to. - I can help you guys out. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - I would like you to. - I can help you guys out. 943 00:37:31,229 --> 00:37:32,439 Yeah. Thank you so much. 944 00:37:32,439 --> 00:37:34,148 - Sign here? - Yes. Absolutely. 945 00:37:34,148 --> 00:37:35,942 I think it's a beautiful idea. 946 00:37:35,942 --> 00:37:37,026 You think it's a beautiful idea? 947 00:37:37,026 --> 00:37:38,110 I do. 948 00:37:39,486 --> 00:37:41,655 MATT: We've got an encouraging number of signatures so far. 949 00:37:41,655 --> 00:37:42,906 We have a petition for the... 950 00:37:42,906 --> 00:37:44,408 to redress historical inequities. 951 00:37:44,408 --> 00:37:45,992 Would you mind signing it? 952 00:37:45,992 --> 00:37:47,077 - You will? - [CAR HORN HONKING] 953 00:37:47,077 --> 00:37:49,496 Uh, we want to rename the George Washington Monument 954 00:37:49,496 --> 00:37:50,956 to the George Floyd Monument. 955 00:37:50,956 --> 00:37:52,415 [CAR HORN BLARES] 956 00:37:52,415 --> 00:37:53,499 Thank you so much. 957 00:37:53,499 --> 00:37:54,667 Would you be willing to? 958 00:37:55,918 --> 00:37:57,212 I can't agree with that. 959 00:37:57,212 --> 00:37:59,547 - Will you sign it? - No. [CHUCKLES] 960 00:37:59,547 --> 00:38:01,090 So are you gonna erase all of them? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 So are you gonna erase all of them? 961 00:38:01,090 --> 00:38:02,466 Yes. 962 00:38:02,466 --> 00:38:03,884 No. [SNIFFS] 963 00:38:03,884 --> 00:38:05,552 - Can you sign it anyway? - Nope. 964 00:38:07,137 --> 00:38:08,180 MATT: Getting people to agree 965 00:38:08,180 --> 00:38:09,764 to change the George Washington Monument 966 00:38:09,764 --> 00:38:13,017 to the George Floyd Monument seemed ambitious. 967 00:38:13,017 --> 00:38:14,227 I'm pleasantly surprised 968 00:38:14,227 --> 00:38:16,855 people are willing to erase our problematic history. 969 00:38:17,605 --> 00:38:20,191 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 970 00:38:23,944 --> 00:38:25,696 WOMAN ON TV: I spend way too much time cleaning. 971 00:38:25,696 --> 00:38:27,197 MAN ON TV: Oh, the broom shaka lakas 972 00:38:27,197 --> 00:38:28,281 - for more than just... - [FLIPS CHANNELS] 973 00:38:28,281 --> 00:38:29,867 WOMAN 2: It's come with a full 60-day... 974 00:38:29,867 --> 00:38:33,370 DR. PHIL: There's a controversial documentary out X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 DR. PHIL: There's a controversial documentary out 975 00:38:33,370 --> 00:38:36,373 {\an8}entitled Destructing Karen . 976 00:38:36,373 --> 00:38:39,667 REGINA JACKSON: How many of you would trade places 977 00:38:39,667 --> 00:38:41,627 with a Black person in this society? 978 00:38:41,627 --> 00:38:43,087 Raise your hand. 979 00:38:43,087 --> 00:38:45,172 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYING] 980 00:38:48,592 --> 00:38:50,886 DR. PHIL: Today, on an all-new Dr. Phil , 981 00:38:50,886 --> 00:38:53,889 {\an8}Regina Jackson and Saira Rao. 982 00:38:53,889 --> 00:38:56,516 {\an8}Now, they are co-founders of Race 2 Dinner. 983 00:38:56,516 --> 00:38:59,727 What did you expect at these dinners? 984 00:38:59,727 --> 00:39:02,104 {\an8}Basically, exactly what we expect is what we get. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Basically, exactly what we expect is what we get. 985 00:39:02,104 --> 00:39:04,649 {\an8}Some women are ready to do the work. 986 00:39:04,649 --> 00:39:07,026 {\an8}But pretty much when they come to the dinners, 987 00:39:07,026 --> 00:39:09,111 {\an8}"It's not me. I'm not racist." 988 00:39:09,111 --> 00:39:10,487 MATT: Hold on a minute. 989 00:39:10,487 --> 00:39:12,489 I've heard of these ladies before. 990 00:39:12,489 --> 00:39:15,408 {\an8}Race 2 Dinner is a thing that they do, uh... 991 00:39:15,408 --> 00:39:17,368 Basically, this book is saying, like, 992 00:39:17,368 --> 00:39:20,204 {\an8}"We need to stop being nice about racism." 993 00:39:20,997 --> 00:39:22,790 MATT: Stop being nice about racism? 994 00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:24,082 What a concept! 995 00:39:24,625 --> 00:39:27,377 {\an8}Apparently, you just pay these ladies thousands of dollars 996 00:39:27,377 --> 00:39:29,421 {\an8}to come over for dinner and call you racist. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 997 00:39:30,755 --> 00:39:31,756 {\an8}It's genius! 998 00:39:31,756 --> 00:39:35,260 I absolutely need to attend one of these dinners. 999 00:39:35,260 --> 00:39:37,053 But there's a big problem. 1000 00:39:37,053 --> 00:39:39,471 {\an8}Only white women are allowed to attend. 1001 00:39:40,014 --> 00:39:41,974 {\an8}Why do white women get to have all the fun? 1002 00:39:42,724 --> 00:39:46,020 I need to find another way to earn a seat at the table. 1003 00:39:46,020 --> 00:39:48,355 [CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1004 00:40:06,872 --> 00:40:08,123 - [MUSIC ENDS] - JACKSON: Okay. 1005 00:40:08,123 --> 00:40:11,710 So, at these dinners, we only have one rule. 1006 00:40:11,710 --> 00:40:15,213 And the rule is that if you have to cry, 1007 00:40:15,213 --> 00:40:16,673 you have to leave the table. 1008 00:40:16,673 --> 00:40:20,134 Generally, we will have the host just set up a room, 1009 00:40:20,134 --> 00:40:22,428 you know, with lots of tissue 1010 00:40:22,428 --> 00:40:23,596 - and everything... - [ALL CHUCKLE] 1011 00:40:23,596 --> 00:40:26,349 ...so you can go in there and sob your heart out. 1012 00:40:26,349 --> 00:40:28,350 When a white woman starts crying, 1013 00:40:28,350 --> 00:40:31,061 it draws all the attention X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 it draws all the attention 1014 00:40:31,061 --> 00:40:32,145 - from the room... - WOMAN: Yeah. 1015 00:40:32,145 --> 00:40:33,480 JACKSON: ...onto that poor, 1016 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:34,731 - white woman. - Yeah. 1017 00:40:34,731 --> 00:40:38,192 Even the language of whiteness softens everything. 1018 00:40:38,192 --> 00:40:40,487 White fragility, so what that is, is... 1019 00:40:40,487 --> 00:40:42,238 And by the way, a white woman, 1020 00:40:42,238 --> 00:40:44,323 you know, your hero, Robin DiAngelo, 1021 00:40:44,323 --> 00:40:45,657 coined that term, 1022 00:40:45,657 --> 00:40:46,742 and it's for when people... 1023 00:40:46,742 --> 00:40:48,327 when Black and brown people talk about racism 1024 00:40:48,327 --> 00:40:51,788 and then white people get upset, you know, angry, 1025 00:40:51,788 --> 00:40:53,498 and then deflect the conversation. 1026 00:40:53,498 --> 00:40:56,001 By not wanting to address your racism 1027 00:40:56,001 --> 00:40:57,710 and your white supremacy, 1028 00:40:57,710 --> 00:40:59,045 that is upholding white supremacy. 1029 00:40:59,045 --> 00:41:02,798 That is not fragile. So just think about how even language X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 That is not fragile. So just think about how even language 1030 00:41:02,798 --> 00:41:04,759 to describe your violent behavior 1031 00:41:04,759 --> 00:41:08,804 is couched in ways to make you all seem delicate. 1032 00:41:08,804 --> 00:41:11,181 JACKSON: And to make you comfortable. 1033 00:41:11,181 --> 00:41:12,474 RAO: So... 1034 00:41:13,142 --> 00:41:14,934 tell us one instance 1035 00:41:14,934 --> 00:41:18,855 that your racism has shown up recently. 1036 00:41:18,855 --> 00:41:20,648 And that's either something 1037 00:41:20,648 --> 00:41:22,150 - you did... - Didn't do. 1038 00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:25,278 ...thought or an action. 1039 00:41:25,278 --> 00:41:27,070 WOMAN 1: So, my husband's Black, 1040 00:41:27,070 --> 00:41:31,199 so it can be an everyday white supremacist thing. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 so it can be an everyday white supremacist thing. 1041 00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:32,910 Like, if I'm out in public, 1042 00:41:32,910 --> 00:41:35,287 and he's, like, really loud or something 1043 00:41:35,287 --> 00:41:36,788 and I'll shush him. 1044 00:41:36,788 --> 00:41:38,080 Why do you do that? 1045 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,626 Uh, usually because we're in a space 1046 00:41:41,626 --> 00:41:43,961 that I think should be quiet, which is probably 1047 00:41:43,961 --> 00:41:46,130 my white supremacy talking. 1048 00:41:46,130 --> 00:41:48,590 So, that's basically tone policing 1049 00:41:48,590 --> 00:41:50,384 - a Black person... - JACKSON: Mm-hmm. 1050 00:41:50,384 --> 00:41:51,635 RAO: ...who happens to be your husband. 1051 00:41:51,635 --> 00:41:54,012 - WOMAN 1: Yeah. - Okay. Who's next? 1052 00:41:54,721 --> 00:41:57,265 WOMAN 2: This one mom starts going on about 1053 00:41:57,265 --> 00:42:00,060 how her white son is so screwed. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 how her white son is so screwed. 1054 00:42:00,060 --> 00:42:02,895 Been rejected here, and "white boy, white boy." 1055 00:42:02,895 --> 00:42:04,855 All right, white entitlement, white centering, 1056 00:42:04,855 --> 00:42:07,149 tone policing, white silence. 1057 00:42:07,149 --> 00:42:09,484 White women owned slaves. 1058 00:42:10,402 --> 00:42:11,778 Period. That's what it is. 1059 00:42:11,778 --> 00:42:13,363 Let's be clear what's happening in this country. 1060 00:42:13,363 --> 00:42:14,906 - It's Nazism. - Yeah. 1061 00:42:14,906 --> 00:42:16,908 RAO: Republicans are Nazis. 1062 00:42:16,908 --> 00:42:18,618 I assume it sounds like everyone here 1063 00:42:18,618 --> 00:42:20,328 is probably not a Republican. I might be wrong. 1064 00:42:20,328 --> 00:42:21,454 Am I wrong about the... 1065 00:42:21,454 --> 00:42:23,497 Is there any Republican at this table? 1066 00:42:23,497 --> 00:42:25,958 You cannot separate yourselves 1067 00:42:25,958 --> 00:42:28,461 - from the bad white people. - [DOOR CREAKS] 1068 00:42:29,169 --> 00:42:31,004 The proliferation of guns has happened X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 The proliferation of guns has happened 1069 00:42:31,004 --> 00:42:33,090 every time whites feel terrified 1070 00:42:33,090 --> 00:42:34,174 of Black and brown people, 1071 00:42:34,174 --> 00:42:35,758 which is literally every 10 seconds, 1072 00:42:35,758 --> 00:42:39,011 but also, um, when there's an event like Obama. 1073 00:42:39,011 --> 00:42:40,763 Like Ferguson. Like 9/11. 1074 00:42:40,763 --> 00:42:42,807 Like COVID-19. Like George Floyd. Thank you. 1075 00:42:42,807 --> 00:42:44,183 Um... 1076 00:42:44,183 --> 00:42:46,102 You've been killing all of us, right? 1077 00:42:46,102 --> 00:42:48,270 Primarily Black folks, and we're just right behind. 1078 00:42:48,270 --> 00:42:49,813 Right? There's the hierarchy. 1079 00:42:49,813 --> 00:42:52,733 Whiteness is even more insidious than I... 1080 00:42:52,733 --> 00:42:55,026 than I even knew even a year ago. 1081 00:42:55,026 --> 00:42:56,903 And whiteness also robs you of your brain. 1082 00:42:56,903 --> 00:42:58,446 You know, you all have gave up 1083 00:42:58,446 --> 00:43:00,865 your reproductive health rights without... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 your reproductive health rights without... 1084 00:43:00,865 --> 00:43:02,617 You wouldn't even get off your Peloton bike 1085 00:43:02,617 --> 00:43:04,994 for 10 minutes to go protest that. 1086 00:43:04,994 --> 00:43:06,078 MATT: Did you want a second roll? 1087 00:43:06,078 --> 00:43:07,955 No, thank you. Oh, okay. I'm good. 1088 00:43:07,955 --> 00:43:10,457 JACKSON: Black people know 1089 00:43:10,457 --> 00:43:12,917 that white people believe they need their guns 1090 00:43:12,917 --> 00:43:15,212 to protect yourselves from us. 1091 00:43:15,212 --> 00:43:19,132 We've decided that it's okay for the Second Amendment, 1092 00:43:19,132 --> 00:43:22,093 which is literally synonymous with white supremacy, 1093 00:43:22,093 --> 00:43:23,427 to be our bible. 1094 00:43:23,427 --> 00:43:24,971 MATT: [WHISPERS] You want some? 1095 00:43:24,971 --> 00:43:27,473 This is what anti-racism is. 1096 00:43:27,473 --> 00:43:29,308 It's actually what anti-whiteness is. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1097 00:43:31,685 --> 00:43:33,854 - It has to burn. - Mm-hmm. 1098 00:43:33,854 --> 00:43:35,647 The entire system has to burn. 1099 00:43:36,814 --> 00:43:38,275 And I'm not looking to you to save this country. 1100 00:43:38,275 --> 00:43:39,651 This country is not worth saving. 1101 00:43:40,777 --> 00:43:41,861 This country is a piece of shit. 1102 00:43:41,861 --> 00:43:43,780 - [PLATES CRASH] - Oh, my goodness! 1103 00:43:44,864 --> 00:43:46,032 MATT: Oh, sorry. 1104 00:43:48,034 --> 00:43:49,660 RAO: Um, but yes. 1105 00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:53,789 Uh, aren't you all tired of living like this? Seriously. 1106 00:43:53,789 --> 00:43:54,915 I mean, I used to be a white woman. 1107 00:43:54,915 --> 00:43:57,000 - An unsuccessful one... - [WOMEN CHUCKLE] 1108 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,084 ...for many decades. 1109 00:43:58,084 --> 00:43:59,795 And it was a miserable experience. 1110 00:43:59,795 --> 00:44:02,922 And really, the... the... the hatred of yourselves X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 And really, the... the... the hatred of yourselves 1111 00:44:02,922 --> 00:44:04,965 and each other is like the most... 1112 00:44:04,965 --> 00:44:06,342 The not seeing your power. 1113 00:44:06,342 --> 00:44:07,760 The being afraid, like, 1114 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,679 all you do is talk shit about each other, 1115 00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:11,430 talk shit about yourselves, "Oh, my God, I'm so fat." 1116 00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:12,973 MATT: That's all they do. That's all they do. 1117 00:44:12,973 --> 00:44:14,099 - [WOMEN LAUGH] - I'm telling you. 1118 00:44:14,099 --> 00:44:15,517 These white women. 1119 00:44:15,517 --> 00:44:17,727 RAO: But it's... it's... That's it. 1120 00:44:17,727 --> 00:44:19,688 It's "I'm so fat. I'm so stupid. 1121 00:44:19,688 --> 00:44:20,772 "I'm blah blah blah." 1122 00:44:20,772 --> 00:44:22,315 [PLATES CRASH AND CLATTER] 1123 00:44:22,691 --> 00:44:23,691 MATT: Sorry. 1124 00:44:29,447 --> 00:44:31,114 RAO: Your kids are watching you. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 RAO: Your kids are watching you. 1125 00:44:31,114 --> 00:44:34,076 And they're watching you talking shit about each other. 1126 00:44:34,076 --> 00:44:36,703 You know, raging against a machine or being silent 1127 00:44:36,703 --> 00:44:37,787 or whatever the hell it is 1128 00:44:37,787 --> 00:44:38,913 that you're doing or not doing. 1129 00:44:38,913 --> 00:44:40,582 And they know that you're not doing shit for them. 1130 00:44:40,582 --> 00:44:41,666 MATT: That's so important. 1131 00:44:41,666 --> 00:44:43,418 That is so important, what she just said. 1132 00:44:45,837 --> 00:44:47,588 It's real... It's really important. 1133 00:44:48,422 --> 00:44:49,423 That's... 1134 00:44:49,423 --> 00:44:51,050 We may have to add you to our team. [LAUGHS] 1135 00:44:51,050 --> 00:44:53,009 Oh! I would love to take a seat and join you. 1136 00:44:53,009 --> 00:44:54,886 - No. You're not allowed to. - MATT: Oh, okay. 1137 00:44:54,886 --> 00:44:56,513 - Definitely not allowed. - MATT: Okay. 1138 00:44:56,513 --> 00:44:59,515 I do have my DEI certification 1139 00:44:59,515 --> 00:45:00,892 - that I... that I got. - Okay. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - that I... that I got. - Okay. 1140 00:45:00,892 --> 00:45:02,518 - Okay. - MATT: So... 1141 00:45:02,518 --> 00:45:04,770 Not saying I'm an expert, but I'm also not a novice. 1142 00:45:04,770 --> 00:45:06,188 So... [CHUCKLES] 1143 00:45:06,188 --> 00:45:07,523 Okay. 1144 00:45:07,523 --> 00:45:09,191 White people are starved for these conversations. 1145 00:45:09,191 --> 00:45:10,484 MATT: We are. We are so starving. 1146 00:45:10,484 --> 00:45:13,153 - JACKSON: Yeah. - We are so starving for this. 1147 00:45:13,153 --> 00:45:15,072 RAO: Anyone else? 1148 00:45:15,072 --> 00:45:16,615 Want to say anything? 1149 00:45:16,615 --> 00:45:17,699 MATT: I'll just say one thing. 1150 00:45:17,699 --> 00:45:19,158 I'm so glad we can have these conversations. 1151 00:45:19,158 --> 00:45:21,202 And I'll be done. But, uh, I'm just so glad 1152 00:45:21,202 --> 00:45:24,080 that we could all get together to have these conversations. 1153 00:45:24,705 --> 00:45:25,706 [CHUCKLES] That's all I wanted to say. 1154 00:45:25,706 --> 00:45:27,750 - JACKSON: Thank you. - Is he an actor? 1155 00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:29,460 - Are you an actor? - MATT: Oh, no. 1156 00:45:29,460 --> 00:45:31,169 Can you let us... We're trying to listen X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Can you let us... We're trying to listen 1157 00:45:31,169 --> 00:45:32,546 and trying to have this conversation. 1158 00:45:32,546 --> 00:45:34,006 MATT: Okay. You know, 1159 00:45:34,006 --> 00:45:36,424 we're all acting all the time in our lives, 1160 00:45:36,424 --> 00:45:39,302 and, uh, and I think that that's part of the problem. 1161 00:45:39,302 --> 00:45:41,596 You know? [SIGHS] 1162 00:45:41,596 --> 00:45:43,055 And it's like we're all trying to play a part 1163 00:45:43,055 --> 00:45:44,265 rather than just being real 1164 00:45:44,265 --> 00:45:46,350 and having these uncomfortable conversations. 1165 00:45:46,350 --> 00:45:48,019 And that's what I'm always trying to tell people. 1166 00:45:48,019 --> 00:45:49,854 Especially, you know, white women. No offense. 1167 00:45:49,854 --> 00:45:50,938 - But... [CHUCKLES] - RAO: No, 1168 00:45:50,938 --> 00:45:52,689 but, see, like, you're a white dude. 1169 00:45:52,689 --> 00:45:54,024 There's power positions 1170 00:45:54,024 --> 00:45:55,401 - and, uh, you know... - MATT: Yeah. 1171 00:45:55,401 --> 00:45:58,403 ...it's pointing... pointing... 1172 00:45:58,403 --> 00:46:01,406 white people pointing fingers at each other is not helpful. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 white people pointing fingers at each other is not helpful. 1173 00:46:01,406 --> 00:46:04,034 MATT: You know, I've been on this journey for so long, 1174 00:46:04,034 --> 00:46:05,743 and just to see you guys at the table 1175 00:46:05,743 --> 00:46:08,454 having this conversation has been really 1176 00:46:08,454 --> 00:46:09,997 enlightening for me. 1177 00:46:09,997 --> 00:46:12,124 Anyway, I got the DEI certification. 1178 00:46:12,958 --> 00:46:15,002 [SMACKS LIPS] And I'm just on the journey. 1179 00:46:16,503 --> 00:46:17,504 All right. You ladies have a great... 1180 00:46:17,504 --> 00:46:18,713 RAO: Thank you. JACKSON: All right. 1181 00:46:20,424 --> 00:46:21,425 [DOOR OPENS] 1182 00:46:22,551 --> 00:46:25,970 - Decolonize yourself. - Mm-hmm. 1183 00:46:25,970 --> 00:46:31,642 Do your own white supremacy dismantling. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Do your own white supremacy dismantling. 1184 00:46:31,642 --> 00:46:34,352 And then you can start to bring in other people. 1185 00:46:34,352 --> 00:46:36,104 MATT: Can I just... Can I just say one last thing? 1186 00:46:36,104 --> 00:46:37,355 Can I just propose a toast? 1187 00:46:38,315 --> 00:46:41,151 Uh, I mean, just raise a glass if you're racist. 1188 00:46:42,068 --> 00:46:43,445 And that's the thing. 1189 00:46:44,487 --> 00:46:46,405 Cheers. Oh, I'm not racist. Let me put my glass down. 1190 00:46:46,405 --> 00:46:48,199 - MATT: All the rest of you. - [JACKSON LAUGHS] 1191 00:46:49,826 --> 00:46:51,118 To racists. 1192 00:46:51,118 --> 00:46:52,744 [GLASSES CLINKING] 1193 00:46:54,621 --> 00:46:56,623 [BLUEGRASS MUSIC PLAYING] 1194 00:46:58,417 --> 00:47:00,335 MATT: What a charming group of ladies. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 MATT: What a charming group of ladies. 1195 00:47:01,127 --> 00:47:03,796 I've learned a lot from my fellow anti-racists. 1196 00:47:03,796 --> 00:47:06,091 But now it's time to evangelize. 1197 00:47:06,674 --> 00:47:07,717 To go to white America 1198 00:47:07,717 --> 00:47:09,635 and teach them about their privilege. 1199 00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:12,221 This biker bar will do just fine. 1200 00:47:12,221 --> 00:47:14,473 [ENGINE REVVING] 1201 00:47:15,682 --> 00:47:16,683 I'm sure these people 1202 00:47:16,683 --> 00:47:18,393 would love to have an honest dialogue 1203 00:47:18,393 --> 00:47:19,894 about the perils of whiteness. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1204 00:47:30,279 --> 00:47:32,365 [BLUEGRASS MUSIC CONTINUES] 1205 00:47:37,870 --> 00:47:38,871 [MUSIC ENDS] 1206 00:47:38,871 --> 00:47:40,956 [ROCK MUSIC PLAYS] 1207 00:47:48,129 --> 00:47:49,338 MATT: What are you doing, 1208 00:47:50,047 --> 00:47:53,968 personally, in your life to decenter your whiteness? 1209 00:47:53,968 --> 00:47:56,595 What do you mean, decenter it? Well... 1210 00:47:56,595 --> 00:47:58,930 Take it away from the center of... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1211 00:48:00,181 --> 00:48:02,058 Who's making it the center? Why are they doing that? 1212 00:48:03,351 --> 00:48:04,853 Why race has to be thrown in on everything? 1213 00:48:04,853 --> 00:48:06,812 Well, you're white... you're white. 1214 00:48:06,812 --> 00:48:08,481 So? Who cares? 1215 00:48:08,481 --> 00:48:10,566 I mean, really, the way that the world is going right now, 1216 00:48:10,566 --> 00:48:11,692 people need to be concerned 1217 00:48:11,692 --> 00:48:13,653 with how they're going to feed their families. 1218 00:48:13,653 --> 00:48:15,529 Not what color is that man's skin. 1219 00:48:15,529 --> 00:48:16,906 I got Black friends, I love them, too. 1220 00:48:16,906 --> 00:48:18,823 - But they know they're Black. - Do you know they're Black? 1221 00:48:18,823 --> 00:48:21,243 Of course I do, and I like it. Good for them. 1222 00:48:21,243 --> 00:48:22,577 Well, you know, one thing I've learned is that 1223 00:48:22,577 --> 00:48:24,120 if you meet a Black person, 1224 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,330 you want to forget that they're Black. 1225 00:48:26,330 --> 00:48:27,832 But don't forget that they're Black. 1226 00:48:27,832 --> 00:48:29,375 Why would you want to forget that they're Black? 1227 00:48:29,375 --> 00:48:31,210 - Well, don't. But also don't. - Are they a friend? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - Well, don't. But also don't. - Are they a friend? 1228 00:48:31,794 --> 00:48:33,296 Then you should embrace them being Black. 1229 00:48:33,296 --> 00:48:35,839 I think Black men should have pride in being Black. 1230 00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:37,424 And I think you should have pride in being white. 1231 00:48:37,424 --> 00:48:39,426 - What's wrong with that? - I agree with the first part. 1232 00:48:39,426 --> 00:48:40,718 Hello, sir. 1233 00:48:40,718 --> 00:48:41,929 Hi. 1234 00:48:41,929 --> 00:48:43,013 What's your name? 1235 00:48:43,013 --> 00:48:44,139 Pat. 1236 00:48:44,722 --> 00:48:46,349 - Pat? - Yeah. 1237 00:48:46,349 --> 00:48:48,225 What about you? Do you have, uh, kids? 1238 00:48:48,225 --> 00:48:50,311 - Do you have a wife? - Yeah, I've got... 1239 00:48:52,104 --> 00:48:53,855 two or three kids... 1240 00:48:53,855 --> 00:48:56,192 - Two or three kids? - Yeah. 1241 00:48:56,192 --> 00:48:57,526 You don't have to give me the whole list, 1242 00:48:57,526 --> 00:48:59,277 but what are some ways 1243 00:48:59,277 --> 00:49:02,030 that you're, um, confronting your whiteness? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 that you're, um, confronting your whiteness? 1244 00:49:02,698 --> 00:49:04,157 - My whiteness? - Yeah. 1245 00:49:04,157 --> 00:49:07,202 I get along good with Black people. 1246 00:49:07,202 --> 00:49:09,954 I used to have... I used to have a Black brother. 1247 00:49:09,954 --> 00:49:12,122 I called him my brother. He called me his brother. 1248 00:49:12,122 --> 00:49:13,332 Was he really your brother? 1249 00:49:13,332 --> 00:49:14,792 No, he wasn't. 1250 00:49:14,792 --> 00:49:16,460 You were calling a Black man brother? 1251 00:49:16,460 --> 00:49:18,378 Yeah. I had more Black friends 1252 00:49:18,378 --> 00:49:20,255 living in Huntsville than I had white friends. 1253 00:49:20,255 --> 00:49:22,424 - Really? - Yeah. 1254 00:49:22,424 --> 00:49:24,968 So that's in your own life, but systemically... 1255 00:49:24,968 --> 00:49:26,803 Considering the way things is at now? 1256 00:49:26,803 --> 00:49:27,971 Yeah. 1257 00:49:28,637 --> 00:49:30,306 Just to summarize. But what do you think about X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Just to summarize. But what do you think about 1258 00:49:30,306 --> 00:49:33,142 this issue of heteronormativity 1259 00:49:33,142 --> 00:49:34,435 and how it intersects 1260 00:49:34,435 --> 00:49:38,230 with the broader structures of racism in society? 1261 00:49:38,814 --> 00:49:39,815 Huh? 1262 00:49:39,815 --> 00:49:42,359 I mean, ultimately, how do we get to a point of, 1263 00:49:42,359 --> 00:49:43,651 let's say, racial harmony? 1264 00:49:44,277 --> 00:49:45,737 I don't know. 1265 00:49:45,737 --> 00:49:48,698 But I'm just telling you what I said. 1266 00:49:48,698 --> 00:49:50,658 That's a lot to think about on my own journey. 1267 00:49:54,203 --> 00:49:56,247 - It's good to talk to you. - Mm-hmm. 1268 00:49:56,247 --> 00:49:58,415 {\an8}Uh, I'm a vegetarian as well. 1269 00:49:58,415 --> 00:50:01,042 Uh, just started on the vegan, uh, journey also, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Uh, just started on the vegan, uh, journey also, 1270 00:50:01,042 --> 00:50:02,628 {\an8}- so I'm glad... - That don't say "vegetarian." 1271 00:50:03,044 --> 00:50:04,212 {\an8}That's a... 1272 00:50:04,212 --> 00:50:06,047 {\an8}-"Vaginatarian." [LAUGHS] -"Vaginatarian." 1273 00:50:06,047 --> 00:50:07,423 {\an8}[LAUGHING] 1274 00:50:07,423 --> 00:50:08,633 {\an8}What is that? 1275 00:50:09,342 --> 00:50:10,843 That's a little bit of a sexist joke. 1276 00:50:10,843 --> 00:50:13,804 {\an8}Well, you know. It is what it is. 1277 00:50:13,804 --> 00:50:15,723 What do you think about racism in society? 1278 00:50:15,723 --> 00:50:17,391 Is it... Do you think it's a big problem? 1279 00:50:17,391 --> 00:50:19,643 I was born in 1960. 1280 00:50:19,643 --> 00:50:22,646 My dad, my uncle, 1281 00:50:22,646 --> 00:50:24,814 my granddaddy, were Klansmen. 1282 00:50:26,566 --> 00:50:27,776 It never affected me. 1283 00:50:27,776 --> 00:50:29,360 But you don't... You're not... 1284 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,486 - No. - ...racist? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - No. - ...racist? 1285 00:50:30,486 --> 00:50:32,863 - No. Not at all. - And how do you know? 1286 00:50:32,863 --> 00:50:34,615 How do either of you know that you're... 1287 00:50:34,615 --> 00:50:37,785 Because I... I accept people as they are. 1288 00:50:37,785 --> 00:50:38,952 WOMAN: Exactly. 1289 00:50:38,952 --> 00:50:40,746 If you approach me as a human being, 1290 00:50:40,746 --> 00:50:42,414 then I'm gonna be a human being too. 1291 00:50:42,414 --> 00:50:44,832 We all bleed the same way. 1292 00:50:44,832 --> 00:50:46,834 What do you think about systemic racism? 1293 00:50:46,834 --> 00:50:48,670 Systemic? What the hell is that? 1294 00:50:48,670 --> 00:50:52,006 Is the system constructed in such a way 1295 00:50:52,006 --> 00:50:55,301 as to marginalize people of color? 1296 00:50:55,301 --> 00:50:57,594 You wanna do away with racism? 1297 00:50:58,345 --> 00:51:00,389 Quit labeling people as Black and white. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Quit labeling people as Black and white. 1298 00:51:00,389 --> 00:51:03,016 - WOMAN: Exactly. - But that's colorblindness, 1299 00:51:03,016 --> 00:51:04,392 which is problematic. 1300 00:51:04,392 --> 00:51:06,561 If I meet you as a Black man, and you... 1301 00:51:06,561 --> 00:51:08,896 you approach me, I shake your hand. 1302 00:51:08,896 --> 00:51:10,773 We go in here, we have a conversation, 1303 00:51:10,773 --> 00:51:14,985 we have a beer or ride down the road on a motorcycle. 1304 00:51:15,653 --> 00:51:17,404 What the hell does your color got to do with it? 1305 00:51:17,988 --> 00:51:20,199 - It's all right here, bubba. - [BLUEGRASS MUSIC PLAYS] 1306 00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:22,951 {\an8}If you treat people right, they treat you right. 1307 00:51:22,951 --> 00:51:24,035 And... 1308 00:51:24,035 --> 00:51:26,245 {\an8}I don't care what color they are. 1309 00:51:26,245 --> 00:51:28,372 {\an8}You gotta treat each other right. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1310 00:51:30,834 --> 00:51:32,085 {\an8}MATT: I was expecting these bikers 1311 00:51:32,085 --> 00:51:33,961 {\an8}would be a bunch of racists. 1312 00:51:34,628 --> 00:51:36,505 And obviously, I was right. 1313 00:51:36,505 --> 00:51:38,215 These people haven't even started 1314 00:51:38,215 --> 00:51:39,883 to decenter their whiteness. 1315 00:51:41,844 --> 00:51:44,346 Now I need to go deeper into the racist south, 1316 00:51:45,180 --> 00:51:46,889 so that I can talk to people of color 1317 00:51:46,889 --> 00:51:49,267 about their lived experience with racism. 1318 00:51:52,478 --> 00:51:55,857 I was in the drug game for 18 years of my life, man. 1319 00:51:55,857 --> 00:51:59,943 And 14 and a half years went all, uh, to incarceration. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1320 00:51:59,943 --> 00:52:01,069 {\an8}So how did you get out? 1321 00:52:01,069 --> 00:52:03,405 I got out through, uh, the pages of the Word of God. 1322 00:52:03,405 --> 00:52:06,449 MAN: My parents always taught me to love everybody. 1323 00:52:06,449 --> 00:52:10,161 Don't allow skin color to ever become a problem for you. 1324 00:52:10,161 --> 00:52:12,205 We didn't... We didn't see colors, baby. 1325 00:52:12,205 --> 00:52:13,748 Because we grew up together. 1326 00:52:13,748 --> 00:52:15,958 And you know, it was a lot of love. 1327 00:52:15,958 --> 00:52:18,543 Inherent dignity, it's in all of us. 1328 00:52:18,543 --> 00:52:20,838 Though we're different in so many ways, 1329 00:52:20,838 --> 00:52:23,298 we're still alike in so many more ways. 1330 00:52:23,298 --> 00:52:25,759 - So we all one in God's sight. - Yes. 1331 00:52:27,093 --> 00:52:28,803 MATT: So how long have you owned this shop here? 1332 00:52:28,803 --> 00:52:33,474 I came here August 15, 1971, from British Guyana. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I came here August 15, 1971, from British Guyana. 1333 00:52:33,474 --> 00:52:34,808 Did you start a family and all that? 1334 00:52:34,808 --> 00:52:38,521 Yes. Altogether I have 53 grandchildren. 1335 00:52:38,521 --> 00:52:39,647 - Wow. - Yeah. 1336 00:52:39,647 --> 00:52:41,023 You think the country has been good to you? 1337 00:52:41,023 --> 00:52:43,316 Yeah. Yeah, very good. Very good, yeah. 1338 00:52:43,316 --> 00:52:45,610 How do you feel about America today? 1339 00:52:45,610 --> 00:52:47,695 America, man, is a beautiful country. 1340 00:52:48,363 --> 00:52:50,740 A beautiful country. I don't have no problem here. 1341 00:52:50,740 --> 00:52:53,450 A lot of people, pretty critical of, uh... 1342 00:52:53,450 --> 00:52:54,827 of this country, and, you know... 1343 00:52:54,827 --> 00:52:56,120 I don't know why. 1344 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,663 It can be kind of a racist country. 1345 00:52:57,663 --> 00:52:59,540 No. No, no, no. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1346 00:53:00,749 --> 00:53:02,543 Do you experience a lot of microaggressions out here? 1347 00:53:02,543 --> 00:53:04,169 Nah. Not out here. 1348 00:53:05,671 --> 00:53:06,672 No. 1349 00:53:06,672 --> 00:53:08,548 Well, what about the systemic issue? 1350 00:53:09,757 --> 00:53:12,468 - Systemic... - What you mean by "systemic"? 1351 00:53:12,468 --> 00:53:14,970 Well, the whole country. The system. 1352 00:53:14,970 --> 00:53:17,890 The system is... You know, the system is racist. 1353 00:53:17,890 --> 00:53:19,266 Mm... 1354 00:53:19,266 --> 00:53:20,726 Not to me. 1355 00:53:20,726 --> 00:53:22,561 - Not to you? - No. Not to me, man. 1356 00:53:22,561 --> 00:53:24,063 I don't think about those things, 1357 00:53:24,063 --> 00:53:25,355 racism and all that stuff. 1358 00:53:25,355 --> 00:53:26,940 I've been reading a lot of books recently. 1359 00:53:26,940 --> 00:53:29,443 Robin DiAngelo, White Fragility, obviously. 1360 00:53:29,443 --> 00:53:31,653 Uh, been reading a lot of anti-racist literature. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Uh, been reading a lot of anti-racist literature. 1361 00:53:31,653 --> 00:53:33,947 Mm-hmm. I don't read them things. 1362 00:53:33,947 --> 00:53:35,198 What do you read? 1363 00:53:35,198 --> 00:53:36,865 The only thing I read is the Bible. 1364 00:53:37,991 --> 00:53:39,785 I got it in the car right there. 1365 00:53:39,785 --> 00:53:40,953 If you looked in my car, 1366 00:53:40,953 --> 00:53:42,580 you'll see it right there on the seat. 1367 00:53:44,414 --> 00:53:46,541 So you haven't read any Robin DiAngelo? 1368 00:53:46,541 --> 00:53:49,669 Uh, no. No, no. Robin DiAngelo, who is that? 1369 00:53:49,669 --> 00:53:51,504 Well, she's a anti-racist, uh... 1370 00:53:51,504 --> 00:53:53,047 - Oh, no, no, no. No, no, no. - ...expert. 1371 00:53:53,047 --> 00:53:54,966 I never read them kind of books, man. 1372 00:53:54,966 --> 00:53:56,175 If I get a book like that, 1373 00:53:56,175 --> 00:53:57,551 I put it down. I don't want it. 1374 00:53:57,551 --> 00:53:59,303 I got a couple copies in my car. I can give you one. 1375 00:53:59,303 --> 00:54:00,846 No. I don't want it. I don't want it. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 No. I don't want it. I don't want it. 1376 00:54:00,846 --> 00:54:02,848 I don't want it. [LAUGHS] 1377 00:54:02,848 --> 00:54:05,559 No. 'Cause that is not in my heart. No. 1378 00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:09,520 I've kind of been working on, uh, decentering my whiteness. 1379 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,731 Oh, your whiteness? [CHUCKLES] 1380 00:54:11,731 --> 00:54:14,066 Aight now, baby. We all bleed the same thing, dude. 1381 00:54:14,066 --> 00:54:16,736 If I cut you right there, you will bleed just like me. 1382 00:54:16,736 --> 00:54:18,738 [LAUGHING] 1383 00:54:18,738 --> 00:54:19,822 I... 1384 00:54:19,822 --> 00:54:21,782 It's just the color of your skin. 1385 00:54:21,782 --> 00:54:23,492 How do we get past all the, uh, 1386 00:54:23,492 --> 00:54:24,994 talk about racism and the... 1387 00:54:24,994 --> 00:54:27,162 Oh, we gotta love each other, like I said. 1388 00:54:28,455 --> 00:54:30,164 We have to love each other. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 We have to love each other. 1389 00:54:30,164 --> 00:54:32,416 That's how you get past racism. 1390 00:54:34,252 --> 00:54:35,586 Well, it can't be that simple. 1391 00:54:35,586 --> 00:54:36,920 - Huh? - Is it that simple? 1392 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,297 Well, yeah. I mean, to me. 1393 00:54:38,297 --> 00:54:39,423 [BLUEGRASS MUSIC PLAYS] 1394 00:54:39,423 --> 00:54:41,467 MATT: Something's not right. 1395 00:54:41,467 --> 00:54:43,844 These people said the same thing as those bikers. 1396 00:54:44,427 --> 00:54:46,138 White supremacy is more pervasive 1397 00:54:46,138 --> 00:54:47,264 than I ever imagined. 1398 00:54:47,264 --> 00:54:48,681 I need to talk to someone 1399 00:54:48,681 --> 00:54:51,934 who has stared directly into the face of racism. 1400 00:54:51,934 --> 00:54:53,978 - July 16th... - Mm-hmm. 1401 00:54:53,978 --> 00:54:55,312 - ...2022. - Mm-hmm. 1402 00:54:55,312 --> 00:54:57,189 - Difficult day for you. - Very. 1403 00:54:57,189 --> 00:54:58,440 And for America. 1404 00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:59,901 {\an8}The popular kids amusement park 1405 00:54:59,901 --> 00:55:02,236 {\an8}apologized after a video went viral X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 apologized after a video went viral 1406 00:55:02,236 --> 00:55:04,446 {\an8}that appeared to show a costumed character 1407 00:55:04,446 --> 00:55:05,739 {\an8}snubbing two Black girls. 1408 00:55:05,739 --> 00:55:07,616 {\an8}Okay, you see the character coming, 1409 00:55:07,616 --> 00:55:09,868 {\an8}high-fiving everybody as he goes down the street. 1410 00:55:09,868 --> 00:55:11,536 {\an8}Gets to those two little girls. 1411 00:55:11,536 --> 00:55:13,204 {\an8}And appears to just flat out say no, 1412 00:55:13,204 --> 00:55:14,289 {\an8}and you see the little girls, 1413 00:55:14,289 --> 00:55:15,998 {\an8}and their faces, and they're heartbroken. 1414 00:55:16,624 --> 00:55:17,833 {\an8}MATT: Meet Jodi Brown. 1415 00:55:17,833 --> 00:55:19,168 {\an8}The mother who was victimized 1416 00:55:19,168 --> 00:55:21,671 {\an8}at the hands of Rosita, the Sesame Street character. 1417 00:55:22,254 --> 00:55:25,424 She was reluctant to talk about the traumatic incident, 1418 00:55:25,424 --> 00:55:26,966 but for $50,000, 1419 00:55:26,966 --> 00:55:29,636 she was willing to tell her tragic story. 1420 00:55:29,636 --> 00:55:33,264 Now, you have described this moment as disgusting. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Now, you have described this moment as disgusting. 1421 00:55:33,264 --> 00:55:37,101 Because I feel like if you are able to acknowledge 1422 00:55:37,101 --> 00:55:40,313 someone before my children and after my children, 1423 00:55:40,313 --> 00:55:43,441 you could've stopped two seconds just to say hello. 1424 00:55:43,441 --> 00:55:47,277 This was something targeted at your... you and your child. 1425 00:55:47,277 --> 00:55:50,072 It was a very intentional racist act. 1426 00:55:50,072 --> 00:55:53,366 We don't want some explanation that, "Oh, the performer 1427 00:55:53,366 --> 00:55:55,368 "didn't see these two young girls." 1428 00:55:55,368 --> 00:55:56,911 Which one of them is in isolation today 1429 00:55:56,911 --> 00:55:58,996 from the harm that is being caused by this company. 1430 00:55:58,996 --> 00:56:00,456 So we're gonna demand X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 So we're gonna demand 1431 00:56:00,456 --> 00:56:03,875 that they take care of any type of healthcare 1432 00:56:03,875 --> 00:56:05,877 or mental care expenses 1433 00:56:05,877 --> 00:56:07,337 that these children have realized. 1434 00:56:07,337 --> 00:56:09,255 {\an8}And who is Rosita? Who's in that costume? 1435 00:56:09,255 --> 00:56:10,340 {\an8}Mel Gibson. 1436 00:56:10,340 --> 00:56:12,008 {\an8}I think that person needs to be, 1437 00:56:12,008 --> 00:56:13,593 {\an8}you know, held accountable. 1438 00:56:13,593 --> 00:56:15,470 {\an8}- Fired and held to account. - Absolutely fired. 1439 00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:17,638 {\an8}Well, before you fire 'em, 1440 00:56:17,638 --> 00:56:19,390 {\an8}teach 'em why they're being fired. 1441 00:56:19,390 --> 00:56:20,725 {\an8}- [APPLAUSE] - WOMAN: And then let them go. 1442 00:56:20,725 --> 00:56:22,643 {\an8}And then let them go. 1443 00:56:22,643 --> 00:56:27,022 How do we fix the endemic racism among mascots? 1444 00:56:28,357 --> 00:56:31,818 Mascots, I feel, like, need to be trained better. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Mascots, I feel, like, need to be trained better. 1445 00:56:31,818 --> 00:56:34,153 Do you know who the employee is that was 1446 00:56:34,153 --> 00:56:36,114 - in the costume? - No. 1447 00:56:36,114 --> 00:56:38,574 That information was never given to me. 1448 00:56:39,575 --> 00:56:40,993 Uh, do we know if they're white? 1449 00:56:41,535 --> 00:56:44,204 Um, that information was also not given to me. 1450 00:56:46,164 --> 00:56:48,375 [FUNKY MUSIC PLAYING] 1451 00:56:51,753 --> 00:56:54,756 {\an8}Do you think American society is racist? 1452 00:56:54,756 --> 00:56:56,215 {\an8}There is an epidemic of hate 1453 00:56:56,215 --> 00:56:57,634 {\an8}in the United States of America. 1454 00:56:57,634 --> 00:56:58,801 {\an8}Threats of violence. 1455 00:56:58,801 --> 00:57:01,178 {\an8}Threats of death and destruction. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Threats of death and destruction. 1456 00:57:01,178 --> 00:57:04,556 {\an8}Hate and racism are alive and well in America. 1457 00:57:04,556 --> 00:57:06,558 This is just absolutely crazy. 1458 00:57:06,558 --> 00:57:08,685 {\an8}She was verbally attacked by a group of men. 1459 00:57:08,685 --> 00:57:10,020 {\an8}And I heard 1460 00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:12,188 {\an8}distinctly them saying "Donald Trump." 1461 00:57:12,188 --> 00:57:13,314 {\an8}REPORTER: ...where a hate crime 1462 00:57:13,314 --> 00:57:14,690 {\an8}is being investigated... 1463 00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:16,109 {\an8}...third consecutive year 1464 00:57:16,109 --> 00:57:18,027 {\an8}a noose has been found on campus. 1465 00:57:18,027 --> 00:57:20,571 {\an8}Bitter, brutal hate crimes that are on the rise. 1466 00:57:20,571 --> 00:57:22,364 {\an8}17% increase. 1467 00:57:22,364 --> 00:57:23,490 {\an8}REPORTER 1: 20% increase. 1468 00:57:23,490 --> 00:57:24,825 {\an8}REPORTER 2: 55%. 1469 00:57:24,825 --> 00:57:26,493 {\an8}Hate crimes have surged... 1470 00:57:26,493 --> 00:57:29,121 {\an8}REPORTER 1: More than 7,200 hate crimes. 1471 00:57:29,121 --> 00:57:32,707 A noose was found in Bubba's garage. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 A noose was found in Bubba's garage. 1472 00:57:32,707 --> 00:57:34,458 {\an8}It's not about racing. 1473 00:57:34,458 --> 00:57:36,044 It's about race. 1474 00:57:36,044 --> 00:57:37,879 {\an8}The Jussie Smollett hate crime case 1475 00:57:37,879 --> 00:57:39,922 {\an8}shows what appears to be a noose 1476 00:57:39,922 --> 00:57:41,840 {\an8}around the Empire actor's neck. 1477 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,010 You could not get more reprehensible than a noose. 1478 00:57:45,010 --> 00:57:48,305 We have a media that's saying it's a debate whether or not 1479 00:57:48,305 --> 00:57:49,932 what just happened to Jussie Smollett 1480 00:57:49,932 --> 00:57:51,808 is a hate crime. It's absurd. 1481 00:57:51,808 --> 00:57:53,143 {\an8}I've been truthful and consistent 1482 00:57:53,143 --> 00:57:55,019 {\an8}on every single level since day one. 1483 00:57:55,019 --> 00:57:57,730 {\an8}Right now, there is a domestic terrorism prevention bill 1484 00:57:57,730 --> 00:57:58,898 {\an8}moving through the house. 1485 00:57:58,898 --> 00:58:01,901 {\an8}The COVID-19 Hate Crimes Act. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 The COVID-19 Hate Crimes Act. 1486 00:58:01,901 --> 00:58:02,985 {\an8}Thank you. 1487 00:58:02,985 --> 00:58:05,321 {\an8}The hate crimes task force is investigating... 1488 00:58:05,321 --> 00:58:06,655 {\an8}- REPORTER: Hate crimes. - Hate crimes. 1489 00:58:06,655 --> 00:58:07,823 {\an8}- Hate crime. - Hate crime. 1490 00:58:07,823 --> 00:58:09,533 {\an8}- REPORTER: Hate crime. - [LAUGHING] 1491 00:58:13,244 --> 00:58:14,620 [SIGHS SOFTLY] 1492 00:58:15,830 --> 00:58:17,207 Hate crimes. 1493 00:58:20,209 --> 00:58:21,251 Thoughts? 1494 00:58:22,086 --> 00:58:25,130 {\an8}I think that hate crimes are bad. 1495 00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:27,716 {\an8}Hate in general, uh, is not good. 1496 00:58:27,716 --> 00:58:29,218 But they're everywhere now. 1497 00:58:29,218 --> 00:58:30,302 - No. - It's an epidemic. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - No. - It's an epidemic. 1498 00:58:30,302 --> 00:58:32,011 No, it's... it's not. 1499 00:58:32,846 --> 00:58:33,888 Well, out of, what, 1500 00:58:33,888 --> 00:58:37,016 20 million index crimes a year, 1501 00:58:37,016 --> 00:58:39,393 there are 6,000, 7,000 hate crimes. 1502 00:58:39,393 --> 00:58:41,020 No, there's no epidemic. 1503 00:58:41,020 --> 00:58:42,271 This is one of those things 1504 00:58:42,271 --> 00:58:44,147 where there's a huge disconnect 1505 00:58:44,147 --> 00:58:45,733 between media presentation, 1506 00:58:45,733 --> 00:58:48,276 and this really is something I research professionally. 1507 00:58:48,276 --> 00:58:49,820 And one of the reasons that you're probably 1508 00:58:49,820 --> 00:58:52,822 talking to me also is I wrote the book, Hate Crime Hoax, 1509 00:58:52,822 --> 00:58:55,575 and I mean, I noted that over a period of maybe... 1510 00:58:55,575 --> 00:58:56,868 You wrote the book called what? 1511 00:58:56,868 --> 00:58:58,828 Uh, Hate Crime Hoax. 1512 00:58:58,828 --> 00:59:00,788 I pointed out that a lot of these incidents, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I pointed out that a lot of these incidents, 1513 00:59:00,788 --> 00:59:02,123 Jussie Smollett, uh, 1514 00:59:02,123 --> 00:59:04,625 Covington Catholic, Yasmin Seweid, 1515 00:59:04,625 --> 00:59:06,668 Duke lacrosse, Bubba Wallace... 1516 00:59:06,668 --> 00:59:07,753 Terrible story. 1517 00:59:07,753 --> 00:59:09,630 Uh, but they didn't happen. That's the thing. 1518 00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:11,632 None of those stories that I'm mentioning happened. 1519 00:59:11,632 --> 00:59:13,216 I mean, you can just go on and on with this. 1520 00:59:13,216 --> 00:59:15,593 Uh, Kansas State, the horrible racial epithets 1521 00:59:15,593 --> 00:59:17,387 written on upscale vehicles... 1522 00:59:17,387 --> 00:59:19,305 Okay. Let... Let's... 1523 00:59:19,305 --> 00:59:20,890 Let's slow down here for a moment. 1524 00:59:22,182 --> 00:59:24,727 So you wrote the book, Hate Crime Hoax? 1525 00:59:24,727 --> 00:59:25,811 Yes. 1526 00:59:25,811 --> 00:59:27,729 We're missing a word in our notes on that. 1527 00:59:28,355 --> 00:59:29,356 Uh... 1528 00:59:29,356 --> 00:59:30,982 That's an issue from the producer there X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 That's an issue from the producer there 1529 00:59:30,982 --> 00:59:32,108 if it just says "Hate Crimes," 1530 00:59:32,108 --> 00:59:34,319 or "Hate Crime Epidemic," or something like that. 1531 00:59:34,319 --> 00:59:35,404 Yeah. 1532 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,572 Uh, and you say that you're Black? 1533 00:59:39,824 --> 00:59:40,825 Yes. 1534 00:59:40,825 --> 00:59:43,911 Don't the statistics 1535 00:59:45,246 --> 00:59:48,373 show that anti-Black hate crimes 1536 00:59:49,124 --> 00:59:50,959 are a huge problem? 1537 00:59:50,959 --> 00:59:52,836 If you break down the statistics. 1538 00:59:52,836 --> 00:59:54,421 Well, I think that depends on your definition 1539 00:59:54,421 --> 00:59:56,464 of a huge problem. I mean, so the... 1540 00:59:56,464 --> 00:59:57,799 One of the biggest problems. 1541 00:59:57,799 --> 01:00:00,134 No. The statistics absolutely do not show that. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 No. The statistics absolutely do not show that. 1542 01:00:00,134 --> 01:00:01,427 What are the statistics? 1543 01:00:01,427 --> 01:00:03,971 If you go into the FBI numbers annually, 1544 01:00:03,971 --> 01:00:06,473 there are maybe 7,000 1545 01:00:06,473 --> 01:00:09,601 actual reported, documented hate crimes 1546 01:00:09,601 --> 01:00:11,061 - in a typical... - In a day? 1547 01:00:11,061 --> 01:00:13,229 No, in a typical year. 1548 01:00:13,229 --> 01:00:16,482 But the total number of crimes in the United States, 1549 01:00:16,482 --> 01:00:19,902 more than 2 million committed by African Americans. 1550 01:00:19,902 --> 01:00:22,405 Almost a million committed against African Americans. 1551 01:00:22,405 --> 01:00:23,489 This is just violent crimes. 1552 01:00:23,489 --> 01:00:25,074 And it's just the case 1553 01:00:25,074 --> 01:00:27,576 that there are way more crimes than there are hate crimes. 1554 01:00:27,576 --> 01:00:31,205 No one thinks that direct racial conflict X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 No one thinks that direct racial conflict 1555 01:00:31,205 --> 01:00:33,039 is one of the biggest problems in the country 1556 01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:35,542 unless they've been told by the media that it is. 1557 01:00:35,542 --> 01:00:38,086 Uh, why are we talking about statistics? 1558 01:00:38,086 --> 01:00:39,754 This is not a matter of statistics. 1559 01:00:39,754 --> 01:00:41,714 Well, you asked me about the statistics. 1560 01:00:43,757 --> 01:00:45,343 Every week practically, 1561 01:00:46,051 --> 01:00:47,970 we hear another story about 1562 01:00:48,846 --> 01:00:50,055 someone reporting a hate crime. 1563 01:00:50,055 --> 01:00:52,015 Let's say, they find a noose. 1564 01:00:52,015 --> 01:00:56,019 Uh, they found a racist note on a receipt. 1565 01:00:56,019 --> 01:00:57,604 So, saying there's a hate crime every week 1566 01:00:57,604 --> 01:00:59,188 is absolutely meaningless. 1567 01:00:59,188 --> 01:01:00,898 If you really wanted to solve crime, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 If you really wanted to solve crime, 1568 01:01:00,898 --> 01:01:02,942 you'd talk about Black-on-Black crime, 1569 01:01:02,942 --> 01:01:05,236 you'd talk about addiction in poor white communities. 1570 01:01:05,236 --> 01:01:07,571 You'd talk about almost anything 1571 01:01:07,571 --> 01:01:10,699 but what the major media seems intent on focusing on. 1572 01:01:10,699 --> 01:01:12,909 Most of those stories turn out to be complete fakes. 1573 01:01:12,909 --> 01:01:14,828 It seems like the real conversation to have 1574 01:01:14,828 --> 01:01:16,621 would be about something like hysteria 1575 01:01:16,621 --> 01:01:19,540 and neuroticism among Americans. 1576 01:01:19,540 --> 01:01:23,002 It becomes an opportunity for a conversation 1577 01:01:23,002 --> 01:01:24,420 about race in America. 1578 01:01:24,420 --> 01:01:25,713 And we can always use more of that. 1579 01:01:25,713 --> 01:01:27,632 I absolutely disagree... 1580 01:01:27,632 --> 01:01:28,758 With what part? 1581 01:01:28,758 --> 01:01:30,675 That we can... I disagree with all of that. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 That we can... I disagree with all of that. 1582 01:01:30,675 --> 01:01:33,262 Have you heard yet that I'm a certified DEI expert? 1583 01:01:35,096 --> 01:01:36,348 Here's my certification. 1584 01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:38,933 "DiversityInclusion Training.com. 1585 01:01:38,933 --> 01:01:40,601 "Making compliance fast, easy, and painless." 1586 01:01:40,601 --> 01:01:41,853 You don't need to read that much. 1587 01:01:41,853 --> 01:01:44,022 - Just... Yeah, give it back. - I... I don't know... 1588 01:01:44,022 --> 01:01:45,939 - something... - That's not the point. 1589 01:01:45,939 --> 01:01:48,984 The demand for racism in society right now 1590 01:01:48,984 --> 01:01:51,111 greatly outweighs the supply. 1591 01:01:51,111 --> 01:01:54,697 We've attached a sort of value to being a victim. 1592 01:01:54,697 --> 01:01:56,241 People report these crimes 1593 01:01:56,241 --> 01:01:59,327 because they know the response will be immediate. 1594 01:01:59,327 --> 01:02:02,497 It will be sensationalistic. It will be very supportive. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 It will be sensationalistic. It will be very supportive. 1595 01:02:02,497 --> 01:02:04,916 Why would Jussie Smollett say what he did? 1596 01:02:04,916 --> 01:02:06,292 The entire thing was complete nonsense, 1597 01:02:06,292 --> 01:02:07,376 and I think most serious people 1598 01:02:07,376 --> 01:02:08,460 knew this from the beginning. 1599 01:02:08,460 --> 01:02:11,547 If it was such an obvious hoax, then why... 1600 01:02:11,547 --> 01:02:12,923 why didn't we hear it from the media? 1601 01:02:12,923 --> 01:02:16,134 From, uh, Kamala Harris, all the late night talk shows. 1602 01:02:16,134 --> 01:02:19,262 The question is not, why would they ever 1603 01:02:19,262 --> 01:02:20,846 say something that's not true? 1604 01:02:20,846 --> 01:02:23,266 It's, sort of, why do we believe? 1605 01:02:23,266 --> 01:02:24,850 Because this had a major national impact. 1606 01:02:24,850 --> 01:02:26,561 This itself impacted race relations 1607 01:02:26,561 --> 01:02:27,812 by a couple of points. 1608 01:02:29,063 --> 01:02:31,065 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYING] 1609 01:02:34,734 --> 01:02:36,695 {\an8}MATT: Despite what the statistics say, 1610 01:02:36,695 --> 01:02:39,614 this country isn't safe for people of color. 1611 01:02:39,614 --> 01:02:41,991 I've heard it over and over. 1612 01:02:42,491 --> 01:02:44,243 If only I could walk in their shoes, 1613 01:02:44,243 --> 01:02:46,245 then I'd really know what they go through. 1614 01:02:47,955 --> 01:02:48,956 Looks cold out there. 1615 01:02:48,956 --> 01:02:50,416 WOMAN ON TV: It's two o'clock in the morning. 1616 01:02:50,416 --> 01:02:51,584 MATT: Man, I'm hungry. 1617 01:02:51,584 --> 01:02:52,918 WOMAN: You're going to Subway. 1618 01:02:52,918 --> 01:02:54,669 MATT: Where can I get food at this hour? 1619 01:02:54,669 --> 01:02:56,088 SMOLLETT ON TV: Subway is open 24 hours. 1620 01:02:56,088 --> 01:02:58,048 Like, people kill me when they say things like that. 1621 01:02:58,048 --> 01:03:01,050 {\an8}Because it's like, Subway is open 24 hours for a reason. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Because it's like, Subway is open 24 hours for a reason. 1622 01:03:01,050 --> 01:03:02,469 {\an8}So that when you hungry at night 1623 01:03:02,469 --> 01:03:04,679 {\an8}and you ain't got no food, you go to Subway. 1624 01:03:04,679 --> 01:03:06,848 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING] 1625 01:03:15,606 --> 01:03:17,398 WOMAN: What happened that night, Jussie? 1626 01:03:17,398 --> 01:03:20,610 {\an8}I went to the Subway and got the order. 1627 01:03:26,866 --> 01:03:30,369 {\an8}You have to understand also that it's Chicago. In winter. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 You have to understand also that it's Chicago. In winter. 1628 01:03:30,369 --> 01:03:32,454 [SIRENS WAILING DISTANTLY] 1629 01:03:39,503 --> 01:03:41,504 [MUSIC TURNS TENSE] 1630 01:03:55,893 --> 01:04:00,188 {\an8}I, uh, heard as I was crossing the intersection, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I, uh, heard as I was crossing the intersection, 1631 01:04:00,188 --> 01:04:01,273 {\an8}I heard, "Empire." 1632 01:04:01,273 --> 01:04:02,982 MAN: Daily Wire. 1633 01:04:05,527 --> 01:04:07,862 {\an8}And I don't answer to "Empire." [CHUCKLES] 1634 01:04:07,862 --> 01:04:10,281 {\an8}My name ain't Empire. Uh... 1635 01:04:10,906 --> 01:04:11,907 And I didn't answer. 1636 01:04:11,907 --> 01:04:13,367 I kept walking, and then I heard, 1637 01:04:13,367 --> 01:04:15,201 {\an8}"[BLEEP] Empire... [BLEEP]" 1638 01:04:15,201 --> 01:04:17,037 So I turned around, and I said... 1639 01:04:17,037 --> 01:04:18,454 "The [BLEEP] did you just say to me? 1640 01:04:18,454 --> 01:04:19,706 {\an8}And I see... 1641 01:04:21,082 --> 01:04:22,833 {\an8}the uh, attacker. 1642 01:04:22,833 --> 01:04:24,210 {\an8}Uh, masked. 1643 01:04:27,046 --> 01:04:29,131 {\an8}...that I had said that they were wearing 1644 01:04:29,131 --> 01:04:30,633 {\an8}MAGA hats, I never said that. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 MAGA hats, I never said that. 1645 01:04:33,385 --> 01:04:35,637 {\an8}And... he said, 1646 01:04:35,637 --> 01:04:37,806 -" This MAGA country, [BLEEP]." - This MAGA country, [BLEEP]. 1647 01:04:37,806 --> 01:04:39,391 {\an8}Punches me right in the face. 1648 01:04:40,058 --> 01:04:41,142 [GROANS] 1649 01:04:41,142 --> 01:04:42,602 {\an8}So I punched his ass back. 1650 01:04:43,019 --> 01:04:44,562 - [SOFT PUNCH] - Hmm? 1651 01:04:44,562 --> 01:04:46,855 {\an8}And then, um, we started tussling, 1652 01:04:46,855 --> 01:04:47,982 {\an8}you know, it was very icy. 1653 01:04:50,151 --> 01:04:52,445 {\an8}Fighting, fighting, fighting. There was a second person 1654 01:04:52,445 --> 01:04:54,697 {\an8}involved, who was kicking me in my back. 1655 01:04:54,697 --> 01:04:56,990 - [GRUNTING] - [DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1656 01:05:00,327 --> 01:05:02,245 {\an8}And then I... I smelled bleach. 1657 01:05:02,245 --> 01:05:03,496 {\an8}I know the smell of bleach. 1658 01:05:03,496 --> 01:05:05,790 MAN: Hit him with the bleach! Hit him with the bleach! 1659 01:05:06,999 --> 01:05:08,793 {\an8}Then it just stopped. 1660 01:05:08,793 --> 01:05:09,961 {\an8}And... 1661 01:05:11,253 --> 01:05:12,671 {\an8}they ran off. 1662 01:05:12,671 --> 01:05:14,381 [DRAMATIC CHORD PLAYS] 1663 01:05:17,175 --> 01:05:18,594 {\an8}And I... Then I looked down, and I see 1664 01:05:18,594 --> 01:05:19,970 {\an8}that there's a rope around my neck. 1665 01:05:22,597 --> 01:05:23,932 {\an8}You hadn't noticed it before... 1666 01:05:23,932 --> 01:05:25,183 {\an8}No. 'Cause it was so fast. 1667 01:05:25,183 --> 01:05:26,934 {\an8}I noticed the rope around my neck, 1668 01:05:26,934 --> 01:05:28,644 {\an8}and I started screaming. 1669 01:05:28,644 --> 01:05:31,063 And I said, "There's a [BLEEP] rope around my neck. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 And I said, "There's a [BLEEP] rope around my neck. 1670 01:05:32,857 --> 01:05:34,859 {\an8}If the attackers are never found, 1671 01:05:34,859 --> 01:05:37,444 {\an8}how will you be able to heal? 1672 01:05:37,444 --> 01:05:39,529 {\an8}[TENSE MUSIC BUILDS] 1673 01:05:42,616 --> 01:05:43,617 {\an8}Um... 1674 01:05:44,533 --> 01:05:45,534 {\an8}I don't know. 1675 01:05:45,534 --> 01:05:47,954 {\an8}Let's just hope that they are. [BREATH TREMBLES] 1676 01:05:47,954 --> 01:05:49,080 {\an8}You know what I'm saying? 1677 01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,081 {\an8}Like, let's... let's not go there yet. 1678 01:05:53,083 --> 01:05:54,752 [GROANS] 1679 01:05:54,752 --> 01:05:56,629 [SIRENS WAILING DISTANTLY] 1680 01:05:56,629 --> 01:05:57,713 [GROANS] 1681 01:05:58,380 --> 01:05:59,381 MATT: On second thought, 1682 01:05:59,381 --> 01:06:00,923 I don't really feel like Subway. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I don't really feel like Subway. 1683 01:06:06,638 --> 01:06:07,639 Hi, Robin. 1684 01:06:08,180 --> 01:06:09,598 [SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYS] 1685 01:06:09,598 --> 01:06:11,017 Robin DiAngelo. 1686 01:06:12,143 --> 01:06:13,394 It's an honor. 1687 01:06:13,394 --> 01:06:14,811 It's an honor to meet you. 1688 01:06:14,811 --> 01:06:16,480 It... [SIGHS] Damn it. 1689 01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,940 It's nice to meet you, Robin DiAngelo. 1690 01:06:18,940 --> 01:06:20,066 Dr. Robin DiAngelo. 1691 01:06:20,066 --> 01:06:23,403 Is there a, uh, Mr. DiAngelo? 1692 01:06:23,403 --> 01:06:24,487 Asking for a friend. 1693 01:06:24,487 --> 01:06:25,946 Someone of your esteemed... 1694 01:06:25,946 --> 01:06:27,031 Stupid. 1695 01:06:27,031 --> 01:06:29,325 Robin. Would you sign my book? 1696 01:06:29,325 --> 01:06:31,536 Your book. Would you sign my book I have of yours? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Your book. Would you sign my book I have of yours? 1697 01:06:31,536 --> 01:06:33,621 I'm pleading with you to sign my... 1698 01:06:33,621 --> 01:06:34,830 Please, would you sign my book? 1699 01:06:35,497 --> 01:06:37,416 "To your friend, uh, Matt." 1700 01:06:37,416 --> 01:06:39,084 [SIGHS] Okay. 1701 01:06:39,084 --> 01:06:40,210 This is it. 1702 01:06:40,210 --> 01:06:41,461 Don't screw this up. 1703 01:06:41,461 --> 01:06:42,629 Don't mess this up. 1704 01:06:42,629 --> 01:06:44,047 [EXHALES DEEPLY] 1705 01:06:44,714 --> 01:06:45,882 Let's do the work. 1706 01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:51,512 {\an8}[INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYS] 1707 01:06:52,638 --> 01:06:53,639 {\an8}[CASH REGISTER DINGS] 1708 01:06:54,682 --> 01:06:55,849 - Hi, Robin. - DIANGELO: Hi. 1709 01:06:57,100 --> 01:06:58,310 And what's your name? [CHUCKLES] 1710 01:06:58,310 --> 01:06:59,895 - I'm Matt. - Matt. Hi, Matt. [CHUCKLES] 1711 01:06:59,895 --> 01:07:01,104 Nice to meet you. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Nice to meet you. 1712 01:07:01,854 --> 01:07:03,981 I just had to ask who you are because 1713 01:07:03,981 --> 01:07:06,651 you have to be careful. [CHUCKLES] 1714 01:07:06,651 --> 01:07:08,528 You can never be too careful. 1715 01:07:09,361 --> 01:07:11,655 Let's... Let's start with the book. 1716 01:07:11,655 --> 01:07:14,241 One of the most important books of the past century, 1717 01:07:14,241 --> 01:07:16,952 I would say, for my money, White Fragility. 1718 01:07:16,952 --> 01:07:18,370 Uh, you've been in this field for a long time. 1719 01:07:18,370 --> 01:07:19,455 You've done a lot. 1720 01:07:19,455 --> 01:07:22,082 What sort of organizations have you, uh, worked with? 1721 01:07:22,082 --> 01:07:23,708 Do you want me to name? 1722 01:07:23,708 --> 01:07:25,043 Oh, sure. I mean... 1723 01:07:25,668 --> 01:07:26,836 Should I name it? I... 1724 01:07:26,836 --> 01:07:28,921 Okay. Well, but I don't want to be held responsible 1725 01:07:28,921 --> 01:07:30,840 for what they do. [LAUGHS] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 for what they do. [LAUGHS] 1726 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:31,924 Netflix. 1727 01:07:32,633 --> 01:07:35,635 Google. Amazon. Snapchat. 1728 01:07:35,635 --> 01:07:36,971 And what do you do for them? 1729 01:07:36,971 --> 01:07:39,681 Sometimes it's a workshop, or it's interactive. 1730 01:07:39,681 --> 01:07:42,976 Maybe it would take place over several hours or a day. 1731 01:07:42,976 --> 01:07:45,228 Let's start with some definitions. 1732 01:07:45,228 --> 01:07:49,857 And probably the biggest one to define is racism. 1733 01:07:49,857 --> 01:07:51,442 Well, if you're talking about a white person, 1734 01:07:51,442 --> 01:07:52,860 and you say this person is racist, 1735 01:07:52,860 --> 01:07:54,987 you're basically, to me, saying this person 1736 01:07:54,987 --> 01:07:56,947 is a product of their society. [CHUCKLES] 1737 01:07:56,947 --> 01:07:58,198 Is it possible for a white person 1738 01:07:58,198 --> 01:08:00,242 to be not racist? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 to be not racist? 1739 01:08:00,242 --> 01:08:04,037 I think, in a given moment, we can be more or less racist. 1740 01:08:04,037 --> 01:08:05,413 We're... And so I think of it 1741 01:08:05,413 --> 01:08:07,999 more as a continuum than an either-or. 1742 01:08:07,999 --> 01:08:10,376 Is there any way to get rid of, uh, white privilege? 1743 01:08:10,376 --> 01:08:12,003 If an individual says, 1744 01:08:12,003 --> 01:08:15,214 "I don't want to have this privilege, it feels unfair." 1745 01:08:15,214 --> 01:08:16,632 Is there any way for a man to say, 1746 01:08:16,632 --> 01:08:18,800 "I don't want this privilege"? I mean, we live in patriarchy. 1747 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:20,927 And you can't just opt out. 1748 01:08:20,927 --> 01:08:22,804 You can do your best to challenge it. 1749 01:08:22,804 --> 01:08:24,931 That, in a way, is opting out. 1750 01:08:24,931 --> 01:08:26,016 That confuses me too, 1751 01:08:26,016 --> 01:08:27,725 because I don't want to mansplain 1752 01:08:28,601 --> 01:08:30,311 - or whitesplain... - Yeah. Well, okay. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - or whitesplain... - Yeah. Well, okay. 1753 01:08:30,311 --> 01:08:32,522 What is... Maybe that's important. 1754 01:08:32,522 --> 01:08:34,899 - Yeah. - Segue. What is "mansplain"? 1755 01:08:34,899 --> 01:08:37,526 Well, it would be you explaining to me 1756 01:08:37,526 --> 01:08:41,321 either why what you just did wasn't sexism? 1757 01:08:41,321 --> 01:08:42,572 Or explaining... 1758 01:08:42,572 --> 01:08:43,698 I don't think that's what it is. 1759 01:08:43,698 --> 01:08:46,910 I think "mansplain" is to make an assumption. 1760 01:08:48,077 --> 01:08:49,829 To say something in an assuming way. 1761 01:08:50,872 --> 01:08:53,874 You talked about the problem of, uh... 1762 01:08:53,874 --> 01:08:55,418 of over-smiling... 1763 01:08:55,418 --> 01:08:57,210 - [CHUCKLES] - ...which 1764 01:08:57,210 --> 01:08:59,087 really resonated with me. 1765 01:08:59,087 --> 01:09:01,339 Sometimes smiling at a Black person X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Sometimes smiling at a Black person 1766 01:09:02,715 --> 01:09:04,801 can... can be racist. 1767 01:09:04,801 --> 01:09:08,012 It's a reminder. You know, those thousand daily cuts. 1768 01:09:08,012 --> 01:09:10,765 It's a reminder of your position 1769 01:09:10,765 --> 01:09:12,391 in relation to that other person, right? 1770 01:09:12,391 --> 01:09:14,726 Because that person likely knows 1771 01:09:14,726 --> 01:09:16,395 why I'm smiling at them. 1772 01:09:16,395 --> 01:09:18,147 [CHUCKLES] When I go to the grocery store, 1773 01:09:18,147 --> 01:09:19,898 I don't really look at anybody, 1774 01:09:19,898 --> 01:09:22,776 I just do my thing, but I see a Black person, 1775 01:09:22,776 --> 01:09:25,361 I... I feel almost an uncontrollable 1776 01:09:25,361 --> 01:09:27,488 sense of urgency to signal to them 1777 01:09:27,488 --> 01:09:30,325 that I'm okay, and that I'm not racist, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 that I'm okay, and that I'm not racist, 1778 01:09:30,325 --> 01:09:31,992 and that they're welcome. 1779 01:09:31,992 --> 01:09:34,328 Is it the right strategy to be... 1780 01:09:34,328 --> 01:09:35,663 for a white person to say, 1781 01:09:35,663 --> 01:09:38,415 "Well, hey, I'm just going to operate 1782 01:09:39,374 --> 01:09:41,335 "in this situation as a normal person. 1783 01:09:41,335 --> 01:09:42,586 "I'm not gonna think about race. 1784 01:09:42,586 --> 01:09:44,296 "I'm not gonna notice." Just see people 1785 01:09:44,296 --> 01:09:45,630 as human beings. Is that the way it works? 1786 01:09:45,630 --> 01:09:48,341 Yeah, no. First of all, you do see them as a Black person. 1787 01:09:48,341 --> 01:09:50,134 You do. I mean, I'm not gonna pretend 1788 01:09:50,134 --> 01:09:51,594 I don't notice that there's a Black person 1789 01:09:51,594 --> 01:09:54,513 - in the grocery store. - So we want to notice race, 1790 01:09:54,513 --> 01:09:56,139 but not... not too much. 1791 01:09:56,139 --> 01:09:57,308 We want to be honest that we do. 1792 01:09:57,308 --> 01:09:58,392 We do notice race. 1793 01:09:58,392 --> 01:10:00,728 We don't notice it. Don't focus on it. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 We don't notice it. Don't focus on it. 1794 01:10:00,728 --> 01:10:02,813 - Yeah. Okay. - But think about it. 1795 01:10:02,813 --> 01:10:03,897 But... 1796 01:10:04,606 --> 01:10:06,358 I mean, you notice it. 1797 01:10:07,442 --> 01:10:08,860 Focus on it a little bit, but not too much. 1798 01:10:08,860 --> 01:10:11,779 Yeah. You know, there's a... It's a balance, right? 1799 01:10:11,779 --> 01:10:13,530 'Cause I hear "forget that I'm Black. 1800 01:10:13,530 --> 01:10:14,824 "Don't forget that I'm Black. 1801 01:10:14,824 --> 01:10:16,700 "Notice. Don't notice. 1802 01:10:16,700 --> 01:10:18,119 "Don't deny that you're racist. 1803 01:10:18,119 --> 01:10:20,161 "But also try not to be racist. 1804 01:10:20,161 --> 01:10:22,330 "But don't... But also don't realize that you..." 1805 01:10:22,330 --> 01:10:24,833 - [CHUCKLES] - It makes me... 1806 01:10:24,833 --> 01:10:27,418 - Yeah. - It makes me, uh... 1807 01:10:27,418 --> 01:10:28,503 I'm sorry. I... 1808 01:10:28,503 --> 01:10:30,463 - It's okay. - It just... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - It's okay. - It just... 1809 01:10:30,463 --> 01:10:33,424 - It makes me feel overwhelmed. - Yeah. Yeah. 1810 01:10:33,424 --> 01:10:34,509 [SNIFFLES] 1811 01:10:38,095 --> 01:10:39,429 Just take your time. 1812 01:10:40,514 --> 01:10:42,224 I know you work on this in your seminars. 1813 01:10:42,224 --> 01:10:47,228 People, uh, workshopping actual real-life scenarios. 1814 01:10:48,062 --> 01:10:51,565 So would you mind, kind of a role play where... 1815 01:10:51,565 --> 01:10:53,151 - Okay. - ...I will, in this scenario, 1816 01:10:53,151 --> 01:10:56,529 be the person of color who's bringing concern to you, 1817 01:10:56,529 --> 01:10:59,657 and then you'll show how to navigate that? 1818 01:10:59,657 --> 01:11:01,033 Sure. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Sure. 1819 01:11:01,033 --> 01:11:03,660 Okay. So, workplace scenario. 1820 01:11:05,203 --> 01:11:06,954 - Hi, Robin. - Hi. 1821 01:11:06,954 --> 01:11:09,374 I noticed, uh, you passed by me in the hall 1822 01:11:09,374 --> 01:11:10,500 earlier today 1823 01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,629 and you were really overdoing the smile, 1824 01:11:14,629 --> 01:11:16,881 and it made me feel, um, 1825 01:11:17,924 --> 01:11:19,841 patronized and it felt racist. 1826 01:11:20,634 --> 01:11:21,927 And... 1827 01:11:22,928 --> 01:11:25,055 I'm thinking about going to HR about it. 1828 01:11:26,556 --> 01:11:28,099 Well, I appreciate you letting me know, 1829 01:11:28,099 --> 01:11:31,102 and I imagine that's not without its risks. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 and I imagine that's not without its risks. 1830 01:11:31,102 --> 01:11:32,853 I certainly would not have intended 1831 01:11:32,853 --> 01:11:34,939 to have that impact on you, but I'm very clear 1832 01:11:34,939 --> 01:11:36,857 that I did have that impact on you. 1833 01:11:36,857 --> 01:11:39,276 I would love to offer you a repair, 1834 01:11:39,276 --> 01:11:41,570 if... if that's something you're ready for. 1835 01:11:41,570 --> 01:11:42,654 I don't want to talk about it right now. 1836 01:11:42,654 --> 01:11:44,364 - Okay. - Because I'm too... I'm hurt. 1837 01:11:44,364 --> 01:11:46,283 Okay. Understood. 1838 01:11:46,283 --> 01:11:48,076 Um, if that changes, let me know. 1839 01:11:48,076 --> 01:11:49,243 When I'm ready to talk, I'll talk to you. 1840 01:11:49,243 --> 01:11:50,954 Yeah. Understood. 1841 01:11:53,247 --> 01:11:54,832 What I would like to do, could we... 1842 01:11:54,832 --> 01:11:56,584 Let's fast-forward to another day. 1843 01:11:57,751 --> 01:11:59,545 - Next day. - Okay. 1844 01:11:59,545 --> 01:12:00,838 Hi, Robin. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Hi, Robin. 1845 01:12:01,464 --> 01:12:03,631 Passed by in the hall again and... 1846 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,802 this time, you didn't even smile at all at me... 1847 01:12:07,802 --> 01:12:09,804 - Okay. - ...and it made me feel 1848 01:12:09,804 --> 01:12:14,391 otherized, excluded, marginalized, um... 1849 01:12:16,018 --> 01:12:17,103 vaporized... 1850 01:12:18,812 --> 01:12:20,314 Now I'm really thinking about going to HR. 1851 01:12:20,314 --> 01:12:21,898 - I don't feel comfortable... - Yeah. 1852 01:12:21,898 --> 01:12:23,650 ...with you in this workplace with me. 1853 01:12:23,650 --> 01:12:25,151 Okay. And yesterday, 1854 01:12:25,151 --> 01:12:26,987 we had the over-smiling incident. 1855 01:12:26,987 --> 01:12:28,154 - Yeah. Now it's under. - Okay. 1856 01:12:28,154 --> 01:12:29,990 It's under-smiling. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1857 01:12:31,032 --> 01:12:32,825 I would say, um, 1858 01:12:33,743 --> 01:12:36,621 "I'm a little bit... I'm a little bit, um, 1859 01:12:36,621 --> 01:12:38,372 "confused about how best to proceed. 1860 01:12:38,372 --> 01:12:41,458 "I can't deny that I am, um... 1861 01:12:41,458 --> 01:12:43,043 "Would you be willing to give me some guidance..." 1862 01:12:43,043 --> 01:12:44,628 I don't think it's up to me 1863 01:12:44,628 --> 01:12:46,588 - to educate you. - Understood. 1864 01:12:46,588 --> 01:12:50,466 Is there anyone you trust, uh, that I can talk to? 1865 01:12:50,466 --> 01:12:53,386 Maybe another white person whose understanding... 1866 01:12:53,386 --> 01:12:54,470 At this point, I think 1867 01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:55,930 we should take separate hallways. 1868 01:12:55,930 --> 01:12:57,056 Okay. 1869 01:12:57,890 --> 01:12:59,475 - So... - Understood. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1870 01:13:00,434 --> 01:13:04,062 That was a very nuanced, uh, situation. 1871 01:13:04,062 --> 01:13:06,356 Yeah, uh, I did my best. [LAUGHS] 1872 01:13:06,356 --> 01:13:08,108 Probably what I would do in that situation. 1873 01:13:08,108 --> 01:13:10,277 The very last thing that I want to do, 1874 01:13:10,277 --> 01:13:13,405 and, uh, it doesn't even feel right to me 1875 01:13:13,405 --> 01:13:14,906 to end this conversation, 1876 01:13:14,906 --> 01:13:17,116 uh, especially when there are people of color 1877 01:13:17,116 --> 01:13:18,284 - in the room. - Okay. 1878 01:13:18,742 --> 01:13:20,827 Ben, if you're willing 1879 01:13:20,827 --> 01:13:23,705 to come and sit with us for just a moment. 1880 01:13:23,705 --> 01:13:25,248 - BEN: Sure. - Um... 1881 01:13:25,248 --> 01:13:26,332 So is Ben... 1882 01:13:27,333 --> 01:13:29,878 Yeah. This is Ben, uh, producer on the film. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1883 01:13:31,087 --> 01:13:33,381 And, um... 1884 01:13:33,381 --> 01:13:36,091 I thought it would be a powerful opportunity to 1885 01:13:36,884 --> 01:13:40,179 speak directly to a person of color and 1886 01:13:40,179 --> 01:13:44,349 confront our racism and also apologize for 1887 01:13:44,349 --> 01:13:47,686 the white supremacist systems that oppress Ben, 1888 01:13:47,686 --> 01:13:49,688 so do you want to go first? 1889 01:13:51,272 --> 01:13:54,650 Well, on behalf of myself and my fellow white people, 1890 01:13:54,650 --> 01:13:56,110 I apologize. 1891 01:13:56,110 --> 01:13:59,322 Uh, it is not you, it is us. 1892 01:13:59,322 --> 01:14:02,199 As long as I'm standing, I will do my best X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 As long as I'm standing, I will do my best 1893 01:14:03,075 --> 01:14:05,744 to challenge it. 1894 01:14:07,162 --> 01:14:10,040 I want to pay you reparations right now. 1895 01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,124 Um, will you accept? 1896 01:14:13,418 --> 01:14:15,169 I... I won't turn it down. 1897 01:14:15,169 --> 01:14:16,671 Okay. I don't know... 1898 01:14:18,380 --> 01:14:19,590 um... 1899 01:14:20,257 --> 01:14:22,259 is 20... well... 1900 01:14:22,926 --> 01:14:24,636 This is all I have. Um... 1901 01:14:25,095 --> 01:14:26,137 I, uh... 1902 01:14:27,180 --> 01:14:28,348 - I know that's not... - Um... 1903 01:14:28,348 --> 01:14:29,557 MATT: That's not gonna... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1904 01:14:31,101 --> 01:14:33,769 That doesn't make up for 400 years of oppression, 1905 01:14:33,769 --> 01:14:37,357 but, um, it's all that I have to give. 1906 01:14:38,733 --> 01:14:39,734 Um... 1907 01:14:41,736 --> 01:14:44,154 I... I don't know if it's ever enough. 1908 01:14:44,154 --> 01:14:46,656 Uh, but what I can say is I appreciate the fact 1909 01:14:46,656 --> 01:14:48,032 that you're putting in the work. 1910 01:14:48,658 --> 01:14:51,202 Um, you know, I... I think you're right. 1911 01:14:51,202 --> 01:14:52,787 I don't think... I don't think it'll ever end. 1912 01:14:53,329 --> 01:14:56,165 But, uh, there is... 1913 01:14:56,165 --> 01:14:58,876 there is small progress I think we made today. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1914 01:15:00,169 --> 01:15:01,212 MATT: Um... 1915 01:15:01,795 --> 01:15:03,631 Did you... Did you want to... 1916 01:15:03,631 --> 01:15:05,423 - That... [CHUCKLES] - ...pay any, uh... 1917 01:15:05,423 --> 01:15:07,009 That was really weird. [LAUGHS NERVOUSLY] 1918 01:15:07,009 --> 01:15:08,635 Why was it weird? 1919 01:15:08,635 --> 01:15:11,138 Uh... Uh, 'cause it seemed really weird to me. 1920 01:15:12,180 --> 01:15:13,181 Why? 1921 01:15:13,181 --> 01:15:14,891 Um, because you just took out your wallet, 1922 01:15:14,891 --> 01:15:16,308 and I don't know, it... 1923 01:15:16,308 --> 01:15:18,770 'Cause I think reparations is like a... 1924 01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:21,855 a systemic, um... 1925 01:15:23,774 --> 01:15:27,403 dynamic and approach and so, I mean, I think that 1926 01:15:28,278 --> 01:15:31,406 there may be some people who would be offended by, uh... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 there may be some people who would be offended by, uh... 1927 01:15:31,406 --> 01:15:33,241 Clearly, you were not offended by that. 1928 01:15:33,241 --> 01:15:35,118 I... I won't turn down cash. 1929 01:15:35,118 --> 01:15:36,661 - Um... [CHUCKLES] - ROBIN: Hmm. 1930 01:15:38,288 --> 01:15:39,789 I think, are we gonna... 1931 01:15:41,290 --> 01:15:44,126 Are we gonna allow ourselves to be uncomfortable and... 1932 01:15:44,126 --> 01:15:46,003 and just do what we can personally, 1933 01:15:46,003 --> 01:15:48,255 or we gonna sit around, 1934 01:15:49,173 --> 01:15:50,840 waiting for the system to catch up? 1935 01:15:52,884 --> 01:15:54,969 Yeah. They go together, right? 1936 01:15:54,969 --> 01:15:56,721 Yeah. But this... this is something 1937 01:15:56,721 --> 01:15:58,181 that I can do right now. 1938 01:15:58,181 --> 01:16:00,099 Why wouldn't I do it? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Why wouldn't I do it? 1939 01:16:04,937 --> 01:16:06,354 Well, clearly, I mean, you did it, 1940 01:16:06,354 --> 01:16:08,190 and he... he was comfortable with it. 1941 01:16:08,190 --> 01:16:09,858 I just, it seems like it's... 1942 01:16:10,525 --> 01:16:12,360 uh, not a systemic approach. 1943 01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,237 - Or it just seemed... - It's not. 1944 01:16:14,237 --> 01:16:15,530 'Cause I'm not waiting for the system. 1945 01:16:15,530 --> 01:16:17,073 - I'm acting as an individual. - ROBIN: Yeah. 1946 01:16:20,952 --> 01:16:22,619 I can go get some cash, for sure. 1947 01:16:22,619 --> 01:16:24,246 In my... Yeah. 1948 01:16:24,246 --> 01:16:25,831 If that's something you... you think... 1949 01:16:25,831 --> 01:16:26,915 Yeah. I don't mind. 1950 01:16:26,915 --> 01:16:28,041 Um... 1951 01:16:28,500 --> 01:16:30,335 If that would be something X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 If that would be something 1952 01:16:30,335 --> 01:16:31,878 that would be comfortable for you. 1953 01:16:31,878 --> 01:16:34,505 - Yeah. - Okay. Cool. [CHUCKLES] 1954 01:16:37,133 --> 01:16:39,302 [CASH NOTES RUSTLING] 1955 01:16:51,980 --> 01:16:54,232 {\an8}- That's all the cash I have. - BEN: Oh, well, you know. 1956 01:16:54,232 --> 01:16:55,567 I don't usually carry cash. 1957 01:16:56,192 --> 01:16:57,526 - Thanks. - You're welcome! 1958 01:16:57,526 --> 01:16:58,736 MATT: Um... 1959 01:16:59,820 --> 01:17:02,115 This is powerful to me. I thank you for... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 This is powerful to me. I thank you for... 1960 01:17:02,115 --> 01:17:03,199 BEN: Sure. 1961 01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:05,033 [EXHALES] ...for doing that. 1962 01:17:08,411 --> 01:17:09,830 Well, the last thing is, will you sign my book? 1963 01:17:10,372 --> 01:17:11,748 Oh, of course. 1964 01:17:11,748 --> 01:17:12,832 If you don't mind. 1965 01:17:12,832 --> 01:17:14,501 I'm definitely gonna process that. 1966 01:17:14,501 --> 01:17:16,378 [CHUCKLES SOFTLY] 1967 01:17:18,087 --> 01:17:20,172 MATT: The student has become the teacher. 1968 01:17:21,090 --> 01:17:23,217 My moment has finally arrived. 1969 01:17:23,217 --> 01:17:25,094 [UPLIFTING MUSIC PLAYING] 1970 01:17:25,094 --> 01:17:26,303 It's time to show other white people 1971 01:17:26,303 --> 01:17:27,679 how to do the work. 1972 01:17:28,472 --> 01:17:30,599 And make a little money in the process. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 And make a little money in the process. 1973 01:17:30,599 --> 01:17:31,683 I'm taking everything I've learned 1974 01:17:31,683 --> 01:17:32,851 on my anti-racist journey 1975 01:17:32,851 --> 01:17:36,437 and turning it into my own online DEI course. 1976 01:17:36,437 --> 01:17:39,107 Now anybody can earn their own DEI certificate. 1977 01:17:39,107 --> 01:17:42,192 {\an8}And I've already made $3,248. 1978 01:17:42,693 --> 01:17:43,903 But for a more in-depth approach, 1979 01:17:43,903 --> 01:17:45,863 I'm rolling out an in-person workshop. 1980 01:17:45,863 --> 01:17:49,491 I'm calling it the Do the Work! Workshop. 1981 01:17:49,491 --> 01:17:52,244 {\an8}With the purpose of providing practical and innovative, 1982 01:17:52,244 --> 01:17:53,620 {\an8}long-lasting solutions 1983 01:17:53,620 --> 01:17:55,914 {\an8}to promote equality in our society, 1984 01:17:55,914 --> 01:17:57,999 {\an8}Do the Work! Workshop was born. 1985 01:17:58,499 --> 01:18:01,752 {\an8}Our next guest offers a bold and uncompromising workshop X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Our next guest offers a bold and uncompromising workshop 1986 01:18:01,752 --> 01:18:03,879 {\an8}that aims to bring lasting change. 1987 01:18:03,879 --> 01:18:05,756 So what you're doing is you're stretching, 1988 01:18:05,756 --> 01:18:06,840 you're stretching, 1989 01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:08,258 and this is more for you and less for you. 1990 01:18:08,258 --> 01:18:10,635 {\an8}You're stretching up like this, 1991 01:18:10,635 --> 01:18:11,970 {\an8}- and you're stretching out. - Mm-hmm. 1992 01:18:11,970 --> 01:18:14,139 {\an8}What you're doing is you're stretching 1993 01:18:14,139 --> 01:18:15,307 {\an8}out of your whiteness. 1994 01:18:15,307 --> 01:18:17,434 Okay, so you're decentering your whiteness. 1995 01:18:17,434 --> 01:18:19,101 You're stretching out of your whiteness. 1996 01:18:19,101 --> 01:18:20,603 {\an8}And you're bringing those 1997 01:18:20,603 --> 01:18:22,772 {\an8}other experiences into yourself. 1998 01:18:22,772 --> 01:18:24,941 {\an8}What exactly does it mean 1999 01:18:24,941 --> 01:18:27,234 {\an8}to do the work with Do the Work! Workshop? 2000 01:18:27,234 --> 01:18:28,694 What does it mean to you to do the work? 2001 01:18:28,694 --> 01:18:30,446 {\an8}There's a reason we say "do the work." X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 There's a reason we say "do the work." 2002 01:18:30,446 --> 01:18:32,447 {\an8}And it is a work that you have to do. 2003 01:18:32,447 --> 01:18:33,782 {\an8}It's right there in the name. 2004 01:18:33,782 --> 01:18:34,866 You know, what is the work? 2005 01:18:34,866 --> 01:18:36,076 It's the work that we're doing. 2006 01:18:36,076 --> 01:18:39,037 {\an8}It's about the doing, and it's also about the work. 2007 01:18:39,037 --> 01:18:41,456 What is to do? It is to do the thing. 2008 01:18:41,456 --> 01:18:43,040 {\an8}We might also use the analogy, 2009 01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,668 {\an8}another one I like, of raking leaves. 2010 01:18:45,668 --> 01:18:47,753 {\an8}Uh, the leaves of racism are falling. 2011 01:18:47,753 --> 01:18:49,588 {\an8}We're raking them, they keep falling. 2012 01:18:49,588 --> 01:18:50,672 {\an8}We rake them. 2013 01:18:50,672 --> 01:18:53,091 {\an8}Uh, but you don't get to a point where you say, 2014 01:18:53,091 --> 01:18:54,551 {\an8}"Well, I'm done with the leaves." 2015 01:18:54,551 --> 01:18:55,885 {\an8}Then you have leaves all over the yard. 2016 01:18:55,885 --> 01:18:56,970 {\an8}How can somebody get involved 2017 01:18:56,970 --> 01:18:58,137 {\an8}if they're watching this right now? 2018 01:18:58,137 --> 01:18:59,848 {\an8}Where can people get ahold of you 2019 01:18:59,848 --> 01:19:01,307 {\an8}and see you for your next workshop? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 and see you for your next workshop? 2020 01:19:01,307 --> 01:19:03,142 We're doing the work as we speak. 2021 01:19:03,142 --> 01:19:05,436 {\an8}The workshop is happening 2022 01:19:05,436 --> 01:19:07,062 {\an8}this fall if you would like to sign up. 2023 01:19:07,062 --> 01:19:08,564 {\an8}You don't need to bring anything with you 2024 01:19:08,564 --> 01:19:09,648 {\an8}but an open mind. 2025 01:19:09,648 --> 01:19:12,025 {\an8}We're not letting anyone in who doesn't have an open mind. 2026 01:19:12,025 --> 01:19:14,861 {\an8}Uh, also, there's a fee, of course, uh, as well. 2027 01:19:14,861 --> 01:19:16,779 {\an8}That's described in the... 2028 01:19:16,779 --> 01:19:18,197 {\an8}on the website but, you know, 2029 01:19:18,197 --> 01:19:19,407 {\an8}the open mind is the main thing. 2030 01:19:19,407 --> 01:19:21,701 {\an8}Matt, the certified DEI. 2031 01:19:21,701 --> 01:19:22,952 Thank you so much for being here. 2032 01:19:22,952 --> 01:19:24,536 {\an8}Thank you so much. 2033 01:19:24,536 --> 01:19:26,455 {\an8}Finding white people willing to do the work 2034 01:19:26,455 --> 01:19:27,789 {\an8}isn't exactly easy. 2035 01:19:27,789 --> 01:19:30,125 {\an8}So I also advertised my workshop on craigslist X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 So I also advertised my workshop on craigslist 2036 01:19:30,125 --> 01:19:32,210 {\an8}which, as we know, is the best place 2037 01:19:32,210 --> 01:19:34,087 for finding white people who are willing to do 2038 01:19:34,087 --> 01:19:35,421 just about anything. 2039 01:19:35,421 --> 01:19:38,258 {\an8}- [LIGHT APPLAUSE] - [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] 2040 01:19:39,925 --> 01:19:41,802 Who's ready to do the work? Anybody? 2041 01:19:42,387 --> 01:19:43,638 I know I am. 2042 01:19:43,638 --> 01:19:46,348 Welcome to the Do the Work! Workshop. 2043 01:19:46,348 --> 01:19:47,683 Thank you all for being here. 2044 01:19:47,683 --> 01:19:50,060 Listen, let's get the credentials 2045 01:19:50,060 --> 01:19:51,728 out of the way upfront. 2046 01:19:51,728 --> 01:19:54,022 Um, I am a certified 2047 01:19:54,022 --> 01:19:57,025 diversity, equity, and inclusion expert. 2048 01:19:57,025 --> 01:19:58,276 Um, I have the card and all that, 2049 01:19:58,276 --> 01:20:00,194 but I keep the card in the back pocket X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 but I keep the card in the back pocket 2050 01:20:00,987 --> 01:20:03,781 for this because I'm just a person on a journey, 2051 01:20:03,781 --> 01:20:04,865 just like many of you. 2052 01:20:04,865 --> 01:20:06,700 But by the end of the nine steps, 2053 01:20:06,700 --> 01:20:09,828 you're gonna start to feel more like an anti-racist ally. 2054 01:20:09,828 --> 01:20:11,747 That ultimately is our goal here. 2055 01:20:11,747 --> 01:20:13,331 Let's dive in right away with step one. 2056 01:20:13,331 --> 01:20:14,416 And here's what we reflect 2057 01:20:14,416 --> 01:20:16,376 both externally and internally. 2058 01:20:16,376 --> 01:20:18,461 It's all about adopting an appropriate, 2059 01:20:18,461 --> 01:20:20,838 uh, attitude of humility, 2060 01:20:20,838 --> 01:20:23,340 and also realizing that racism lurks, 2061 01:20:23,340 --> 01:20:25,384 uh, many places in society we don't expect it. 2062 01:20:25,384 --> 01:20:27,303 This may seem a little strange. 2063 01:20:27,303 --> 01:20:29,805 So I look around the room and point to X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2064 01:20:30,639 --> 01:20:33,183 who we believe, just by looking, 2065 01:20:33,183 --> 01:20:35,894 is the most racist person in the room. 2066 01:20:38,271 --> 01:20:39,272 If you could point. 2067 01:20:39,855 --> 01:20:40,940 I'm out, guys. 2068 01:20:40,940 --> 01:20:42,525 - Appreciate y'all. - WOMAN: Yeah. 2069 01:20:42,525 --> 01:20:43,901 - MAN: Have a lovely day. - Thank you. 2070 01:20:43,901 --> 01:20:46,529 I appreciate it, but this is definitely not my... 2071 01:20:47,822 --> 01:20:49,156 That's uncomfortable. 2072 01:20:49,156 --> 01:20:50,740 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2073 01:20:50,740 --> 01:20:52,159 This is where I'm pointing. 2074 01:20:53,368 --> 01:20:55,745 'Cause why don't we think about pointing at ourselves? 2075 01:20:55,745 --> 01:20:57,914 Why would we rather get up and leave the room? 2076 01:20:58,707 --> 01:20:59,999 Let's go to step two. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2077 01:20:59,999 --> 01:21:02,626 This is a pretty simple, basic anti-racism concept. 2078 01:21:02,626 --> 01:21:04,753 Racism is non-binary. What does that mean? 2079 01:21:04,753 --> 01:21:06,880 It means racism is on a spectrum. 2080 01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,842 What does that mean? It means that racism is fluid. 2081 01:21:09,842 --> 01:21:11,218 You might move up or down. 2082 01:21:11,218 --> 01:21:12,344 So you might say, "Well, 2083 01:21:12,344 --> 01:21:13,887 "I'm kind of a three on the racism scale." 2084 01:21:13,887 --> 01:21:15,931 Uh, but there may be moments when you're a six, 2085 01:21:15,931 --> 01:21:17,432 when you're a nine, God forbid. 2086 01:21:17,432 --> 01:21:20,184 You all have numbers on your desks, 2087 01:21:20,184 --> 01:21:22,144 and those are magnetized. 2088 01:21:22,144 --> 01:21:23,855 Where do you think that you are 2089 01:21:24,981 --> 01:21:26,357 on this scale right now? 2090 01:21:26,357 --> 01:21:27,524 Wherever you would judge yourself. 2091 01:21:27,524 --> 01:21:30,111 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2092 01:21:37,909 --> 01:21:38,910 Hmm. 2093 01:21:41,746 --> 01:21:43,038 So, everybody wants to be... 2094 01:21:43,038 --> 01:21:45,333 obviously, we've got a little bit of a traffic jam 2095 01:21:45,333 --> 01:21:47,001 over at zero, one, two. 2096 01:21:47,001 --> 01:21:48,252 Let's just keep that, we'll keep that up there. 2097 01:21:48,252 --> 01:21:50,295 We're gonna keep that in mind as we move on. 2098 01:21:50,295 --> 01:21:53,340 Now, next we move on to what this whole workshop 2099 01:21:53,340 --> 01:21:55,300 is really about, which is uncomfortable conversations. 2100 01:21:55,300 --> 01:21:57,677 Because until we're willing to talk about these things, 2101 01:21:57,677 --> 01:22:00,346 um, healing can't really begin. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 um, healing can't really begin. 2102 01:22:00,346 --> 01:22:01,430 So I want you to think back 2103 01:22:01,430 --> 01:22:04,058 to a racist moment in your life. 2104 01:22:04,058 --> 01:22:06,227 Just something that you remember 2105 01:22:06,227 --> 01:22:07,311 you did or said. 2106 01:22:08,354 --> 01:22:09,522 You wish you could take it back. 2107 01:22:09,522 --> 01:22:11,565 But how does the healing start 2108 01:22:11,565 --> 01:22:14,026 if we're not willing to admit and talk about it? 2109 01:22:14,026 --> 01:22:16,319 I'll give you a racist moment of mine 2110 01:22:16,319 --> 01:22:17,404 from two months ago. 2111 01:22:17,404 --> 01:22:18,696 And I'll tell you exactly what happened. 2112 01:22:18,696 --> 01:22:22,617 I was at a traffic light, 2113 01:22:22,617 --> 01:22:23,701 in my car, 2114 01:22:23,701 --> 01:22:25,995 I see a Black man, man of color, 2115 01:22:26,537 --> 01:22:28,330 appears to be walking up to my car. 2116 01:22:28,956 --> 01:22:29,999 What'd I do, I check to make sure X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2117 01:22:29,999 --> 01:22:31,083 the doors are locked. 2118 01:22:31,083 --> 01:22:32,251 And immediately I thought, 2119 01:22:32,251 --> 01:22:34,461 I hope he didn't hear that little click sound. 2120 01:22:35,086 --> 01:22:36,171 Why did I do that? 2121 01:22:36,922 --> 01:22:38,423 I thought he might be trying to carjack me. 2122 01:22:39,215 --> 01:22:40,884 Unconscious bias. 2123 01:22:40,884 --> 01:22:43,178 Now, in this case, the guy behind me did get carjacked. 2124 01:22:44,595 --> 01:22:46,221 But does that mean 2125 01:22:47,056 --> 01:22:49,642 that the assumption was fair? 2126 01:22:49,642 --> 01:22:51,769 Anybody else would like to share? 2127 01:22:51,769 --> 01:22:54,396 Number eight? Racist moment. 2128 01:22:54,396 --> 01:22:57,191 When I was getting my license when I was 16, 2129 01:22:57,191 --> 01:22:59,734 I was in the DMV, and I was really stressed out. 2130 01:22:59,734 --> 01:23:01,110 It was, like, a terrible day. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 It was, like, a terrible day. 2131 01:23:01,110 --> 01:23:03,780 Despacito was a song playing on the radio, 2132 01:23:03,780 --> 01:23:05,156 and I was just, like, so annoyed by it. 2133 01:23:05,156 --> 01:23:06,407 I was like, "Oh my God, I've heard this song 2134 01:23:06,407 --> 01:23:08,951 "so many times," and I just sort of, like, blurted out, 2135 01:23:08,951 --> 01:23:10,077 and I was like, "Oh God, like, 2136 01:23:10,077 --> 01:23:11,495 "can you please turn off the song?" 2137 01:23:11,495 --> 01:23:13,205 The guy at the DMV was a Puerto Rico guy, 2138 01:23:13,205 --> 01:23:14,832 and he just got really, like, 2139 01:23:14,832 --> 01:23:15,999 offended by it, and I was like, 2140 01:23:15,999 --> 01:23:17,918 "I'm so sorry, like, I really didn't mean that. 2141 01:23:17,918 --> 01:23:19,711 "I just kind of yelled at the song 2142 01:23:19,711 --> 01:23:21,296 "just 'cause I was feeling bad inside, 2143 01:23:21,296 --> 01:23:22,672 "but it just came off really bad." 2144 01:23:22,672 --> 01:23:24,298 And I still feel bad about that every day. 2145 01:23:26,300 --> 01:23:27,301 It was racist. 2146 01:23:29,887 --> 01:23:31,388 We're not here to lie to ourselves. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 We're not here to lie to ourselves. 2147 01:23:31,388 --> 01:23:32,473 Now things are getting heated up. 2148 01:23:32,473 --> 01:23:33,557 Now we move on to step six. 2149 01:23:33,557 --> 01:23:34,975 {\an8}Over-smiling. 2150 01:23:34,975 --> 01:23:36,352 {\an8}When you're in a room with a Black person 2151 01:23:36,352 --> 01:23:38,311 {\an8}or person of color, there's this compulsion 2152 01:23:38,311 --> 01:23:40,688 that people have to smile too much. 2153 01:23:40,688 --> 01:23:41,857 You're overcompensating. 2154 01:23:41,857 --> 01:23:43,358 I like to put words into action, 2155 01:23:43,358 --> 01:23:45,693 so Ben, if you wouldn't mind. Ben. 2156 01:23:46,444 --> 01:23:48,946 Uh, let's... for Ben here. Thank you. 2157 01:23:50,865 --> 01:23:53,658 Thanks, Ben. Now, Ben is going to stand here, and 2158 01:23:53,658 --> 01:23:55,995 let's try to look at Ben 2159 01:23:56,786 --> 01:23:59,914 in the least racist way that we know how. 2160 01:23:59,914 --> 01:24:02,125 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2161 01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:13,886 Well, number two, you're not even looking at him. 2162 01:24:13,886 --> 01:24:16,346 I think he's not looking at us, so it's kind of awkward 2163 01:24:16,346 --> 01:24:19,557 to look at someone like they're a specimen. 2164 01:24:19,557 --> 01:24:20,642 If that makes sense. 2165 01:24:20,642 --> 01:24:22,018 Like the... the exercise itself 2166 01:24:22,018 --> 01:24:23,436 is a little awkward, and... 2167 01:24:23,436 --> 01:24:25,563 It's not his job as a Black man 2168 01:24:25,563 --> 01:24:27,690 to make us feel comfortable in this moment. 2169 01:24:27,690 --> 01:24:29,984 That's not what I was saying though. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2170 01:24:29,984 --> 01:24:32,153 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2171 01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:40,201 Hmm. 2172 01:24:43,371 --> 01:24:44,414 Thanks, Ben. 2173 01:24:46,791 --> 01:24:49,335 Now we're gonna really take the gloves off. 2174 01:24:49,335 --> 01:24:51,086 This is where things get real. 2175 01:24:51,086 --> 01:24:52,797 White silence. 2176 01:24:52,797 --> 01:24:55,549 White silence is when we remain silent 2177 01:24:55,549 --> 01:24:56,967 in the face of bigotry and racism. 2178 01:24:56,967 --> 01:24:59,136 Now, what we like to tell ourselves is that 2179 01:24:59,136 --> 01:25:03,431 as long as I'm not using the N-word, okay? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 as long as I'm not using the N-word, okay? 2180 01:25:03,431 --> 01:25:07,226 As long as I'm not voting for Donald Trump, 2181 01:25:07,852 --> 01:25:09,103 I'm not racist. 2182 01:25:09,103 --> 01:25:12,481 By not taking action in the face of racism, 2183 01:25:12,481 --> 01:25:15,025 we are participating in that racism. 2184 01:25:15,651 --> 01:25:16,985 But here's the good news, 2185 01:25:16,985 --> 01:25:20,072 it's never too late to break the white silence 2186 01:25:20,072 --> 01:25:21,739 and speak up against racism. 2187 01:25:21,739 --> 01:25:23,200 Things are gonna really get uncomfortable now 2188 01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:24,492 especially for me. 2189 01:25:24,492 --> 01:25:27,870 Because what I want to do is lead by example. 2190 01:25:27,870 --> 01:25:28,955 My uncle Frank is here today. 2191 01:25:28,955 --> 01:25:30,164 Come on, bring my uncle Frank out. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Come on, bring my uncle Frank out. 2192 01:25:30,998 --> 01:25:33,000 [WHEELS SQUEAKING] 2193 01:25:42,383 --> 01:25:43,384 Thank you, Ben. 2194 01:25:43,384 --> 01:25:45,511 [LIGHT APPLAUSE] 2195 01:25:48,764 --> 01:25:49,765 Uncle Frank. 2196 01:25:51,559 --> 01:25:53,185 It was 20 years ago 2197 01:25:53,185 --> 01:25:56,063 that you sat at the dinner table with us, 2198 01:25:56,063 --> 01:25:57,314 and not a day has gone by 2199 01:25:57,314 --> 01:25:58,815 that I haven't thought about this. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2200 01:26:00,317 --> 01:26:01,693 You sat at that dinner table, 2201 01:26:01,693 --> 01:26:04,070 and you made what you said was a... 2202 01:26:04,988 --> 01:26:06,114 "joke." 2203 01:26:07,573 --> 01:26:08,908 You asked the question, what's the difference 2204 01:26:08,908 --> 01:26:11,910 between a Mexican man and a picnic table? 2205 01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:13,746 And the answer was, 2206 01:26:13,746 --> 01:26:16,874 a picnic table can support a family of five. 2207 01:26:18,375 --> 01:26:19,626 You're still laughing. 2208 01:26:20,168 --> 01:26:21,753 We all laughed at the table. 2209 01:26:21,753 --> 01:26:23,755 I laughed. 2210 01:26:23,755 --> 01:26:25,382 But I was scared and confused. 2211 01:26:25,382 --> 01:26:27,008 And I was a coward. 2212 01:26:28,134 --> 01:26:30,552 But I'm not gonna be a coward anymore, uncle Frank. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 But I'm not gonna be a coward anymore, uncle Frank. 2213 01:26:31,053 --> 01:26:33,764 You had no right to make that joke! 2214 01:26:34,598 --> 01:26:36,975 Latinx Americans, they come to this country 2215 01:26:36,975 --> 01:26:38,519 and they work hard! 2216 01:26:39,269 --> 01:26:42,188 And your little joke dehumanizes. 2217 01:26:42,188 --> 01:26:43,481 It is not funny! 2218 01:26:44,190 --> 01:26:45,400 Uncle Frank, 2219 01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:50,446 it is not funny to mock marginalized people! 2220 01:26:50,446 --> 01:26:52,031 It's not a joke! 2221 01:26:52,031 --> 01:26:53,533 It's not funny... 2222 01:26:54,909 --> 01:26:56,201 Uncle Frank. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2223 01:27:00,664 --> 01:27:02,291 Okay. Who wants to go next? 2224 01:27:05,627 --> 01:27:07,420 Does anybody have some words for Uncle Frank? 2225 01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:10,506 We're breaking the white silence here today. 2226 01:27:15,177 --> 01:27:17,680 Uh, number six, you're of Hispanic descent. 2227 01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:18,931 What are your thoughts? 2228 01:27:19,765 --> 01:27:21,099 Mm, I have a lot of thoughts, 2229 01:27:21,099 --> 01:27:23,560 but I just feel like it would be wasted on him. 2230 01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:24,936 But I do have one thing to say. 2231 01:27:24,936 --> 01:27:26,729 If... With your permission. 2232 01:27:27,814 --> 01:27:29,106 [BLEEP] you. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2233 01:27:32,276 --> 01:27:34,070 Yeah, man. [BLEEP] you. 2234 01:27:35,154 --> 01:27:36,155 MATT: Mm. 2235 01:27:36,155 --> 01:27:37,656 I don't talk to anyone in my family 2236 01:27:37,656 --> 01:27:40,617 because they're all [BLEEP] racist white pieces of trash 2237 01:27:40,617 --> 01:27:41,827 in a lot of different ways, 2238 01:27:41,827 --> 01:27:43,912 but the racism is the biggest reason. 2239 01:27:43,912 --> 01:27:45,496 I have cut off every person in my life, 2240 01:27:45,496 --> 01:27:47,082 including my mother and father, 2241 01:27:47,082 --> 01:27:49,459 grandparents, everything. I do not give a [BLEEP]. 2242 01:27:50,042 --> 01:27:51,043 Powerful. 2243 01:27:51,043 --> 01:27:53,754 The message, it's clear. 2244 01:27:56,173 --> 01:27:57,466 Okay, Ben. 2245 01:27:57,466 --> 01:27:58,843 Uh, if you wouldn't mind. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2246 01:28:01,261 --> 01:28:03,388 [LIGHT APPLAUSE] 2247 01:28:06,850 --> 01:28:07,851 Thanks, Uncle Frank. 2248 01:28:07,851 --> 01:28:09,310 See you this weekend. 2249 01:28:10,478 --> 01:28:12,021 All right. Emotions are high, 2250 01:28:12,021 --> 01:28:14,273 and this is where we finally get to step nine. 2251 01:28:14,273 --> 01:28:16,317 We have to ask ourselves, are we ready for 2252 01:28:16,317 --> 01:28:18,944 the healing pain? 2253 01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:21,071 {\an8}Now, 2254 01:28:21,947 --> 01:28:24,532 {\an8}this is when we get to the self-flagellation portion, 2255 01:28:24,532 --> 01:28:25,783 which is the final step. 2256 01:28:25,783 --> 01:28:27,369 - ATTENDEE: Wow. - Would you mind taking a whip? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2257 01:28:30,872 --> 01:28:32,289 Thank you. Thank you. 2258 01:28:34,291 --> 01:28:35,626 MAN 1: What is... 2259 01:28:37,211 --> 01:28:38,962 MAN 2: Dude, this is ridiculous. 2260 01:28:38,962 --> 01:28:41,172 - I'm outta here. You're nuts. - WOMAN: [LAUGHS] Me too. 2261 01:28:41,172 --> 01:28:42,382 - I can't do this. - Um... 2262 01:28:42,382 --> 01:28:44,968 MAN 2: I tried, man. I tried. I'm seriously done. 2263 01:28:44,968 --> 01:28:46,887 MATT: I said it was gonna be uncomfortable. 2264 01:28:48,388 --> 01:28:49,389 [DOOR SHUTS] 2265 01:28:50,265 --> 01:28:52,475 Why weren't they willing to whip themselves? 2266 01:28:53,559 --> 01:28:56,395 Wait. Why were these people willing to whip themselves? 2267 01:28:57,187 --> 01:28:58,605 None of this feels right. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2268 01:29:03,902 --> 01:29:04,903 Um... 2269 01:29:06,154 --> 01:29:07,196 [MATT SNIFFS] 2270 01:29:07,781 --> 01:29:08,782 Hang on. 2271 01:29:12,701 --> 01:29:13,911 This is probably too far. 2272 01:29:14,537 --> 01:29:15,829 [SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYS] 2273 01:29:15,829 --> 01:29:18,416 Okay, the workshop's over. [FUMBLES] It's over. 2274 01:29:18,416 --> 01:29:20,668 That was... That's step nine, so... 2275 01:29:22,252 --> 01:29:23,670 Yeah, it's over. Seriously. 2276 01:29:24,421 --> 01:29:26,131 Yep. Thanks. Okay. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2277 01:29:36,307 --> 01:29:37,474 {\an8}[CASH REGISTER DINGS] 2278 01:29:39,017 --> 01:29:40,186 What am I doing? 2279 01:29:41,895 --> 01:29:43,439 What have I become? 2280 01:29:44,940 --> 01:29:46,524 Am I making the world better 2281 01:29:47,233 --> 01:29:50,528 or am I just profiting on people's racial guilt? 2282 01:29:51,987 --> 01:29:53,823 This is all wrong. 2283 01:29:54,365 --> 01:29:56,867 I followed the anti-racist playbook, 2284 01:29:56,867 --> 01:29:58,744 and it led to disaster. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2285 01:30:00,662 --> 01:30:02,706 [UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING] 2286 01:30:04,374 --> 01:30:05,750 All across America, 2287 01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:08,086 {\an8}many companies have implemented a division 2288 01:30:08,086 --> 01:30:10,630 {\an8}of diversity, equity, and inclusion. 2289 01:30:10,630 --> 01:30:12,465 And it's important to have this in the workplace 2290 01:30:12,465 --> 01:30:15,759 no matter how big or small the organization may be. 2291 01:30:15,759 --> 01:30:17,511 {\an8}Joining us this morning is Matt, 2292 01:30:17,511 --> 01:30:20,931 {\an8}a certified diversity, equity, and inclusion expert. 2293 01:30:20,931 --> 01:30:22,015 Good morning. 2294 01:30:24,059 --> 01:30:25,060 Morning. 2295 01:30:25,060 --> 01:30:26,769 Tell us about your journey. 2296 01:30:28,271 --> 01:30:30,232 It hasn't been great, honestly. Um... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 It hasn't been great, honestly. Um... 2297 01:30:31,524 --> 01:30:32,525 Yeah. 2298 01:30:35,319 --> 01:30:39,448 And what led you to host this workshop? 2299 01:30:39,448 --> 01:30:41,492 Why is this an important initiative, 2300 01:30:41,492 --> 01:30:44,077 and how did you go about putting the workshop together? 2301 01:30:44,911 --> 01:30:46,580 {\an8}We just did a workshop, 2302 01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:48,456 {\an8}uh, 2303 01:30:48,456 --> 01:30:50,791 {\an8}you know, it didn't go well. Honestly, I'd... 2304 01:30:53,253 --> 01:30:54,254 It... 2305 01:30:56,088 --> 01:30:58,007 I think it's doing more harm than good. 2306 01:30:58,841 --> 01:31:00,425 This whole thing's a scam, I don't know. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 This whole thing's a scam, I don't know. 2307 01:31:01,051 --> 01:31:03,720 So when we think about diversity, equity, 2308 01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,181 and inclusion, as we mentioned, there are, 2309 01:31:06,181 --> 01:31:10,977 um, keys to what an organization should focus on. 2310 01:31:10,977 --> 01:31:15,398 So what would you say is, uh, the key for the learning 2311 01:31:15,398 --> 01:31:17,066 that we may want to be doing? 2312 01:31:18,901 --> 01:31:21,319 Even if we're not quite there yet, right? 2313 01:31:22,029 --> 01:31:23,363 Just, uh... 2314 01:31:24,656 --> 01:31:26,074 Just go live your life. 2315 01:31:28,493 --> 01:31:29,494 I gotta go. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2316 01:31:32,121 --> 01:31:34,415 [SOMBER ELECTRO-ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2317 01:32:05,819 --> 01:32:06,820 [MUSIC ENDS] 2318 01:32:16,537 --> 01:32:18,747 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING] 2319 01:32:21,291 --> 01:32:22,418 Black, right? 2320 01:32:22,918 --> 01:32:24,252 Yeah. Thanks. 2321 01:32:24,252 --> 01:32:26,338 Haven't seen you around here in a while. 2322 01:32:26,922 --> 01:32:28,590 Yeah. I been out doing the work. 2323 01:32:29,132 --> 01:32:30,133 Huh? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Huh? 2324 01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:31,968 Been doing the work. 2325 01:32:32,802 --> 01:32:33,803 What does that mean? 2326 01:32:34,887 --> 01:32:36,513 [SIGHS] Well... 2327 01:32:37,139 --> 01:32:38,307 {\an8}- [CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] - White Fragility 2328 01:32:38,307 --> 01:32:39,892 {\an8}is a really great place to start. 2329 01:32:39,892 --> 01:32:42,436 BYRD: The reason we cannot be colorblind now, 2330 01:32:42,436 --> 01:32:44,480 we're still working on the problem. 2331 01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:45,731 I'm not going to pretend I don't notice 2332 01:32:45,731 --> 01:32:47,440 that there's a Black person in the grocery store. 2333 01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:49,150 {\an8}DEI certified. I'm here to help. 2334 01:32:49,150 --> 01:32:50,986 We live in a white supremacist society. 2335 01:32:50,986 --> 01:32:54,572 Whiteness is even more insidious than I even knew. 2336 01:32:54,572 --> 01:32:56,324 The only thing about white culture 2337 01:32:56,324 --> 01:32:58,283 is buying things and stealing things. 2338 01:32:58,283 --> 01:33:00,202 And whiteness also robs you of your brain. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 And whiteness also robs you of your brain. 2339 01:33:01,036 --> 01:33:02,412 America is racist to its bones. 2340 01:33:02,412 --> 01:33:03,873 - Um... - It has to burn. 2341 01:33:03,873 --> 01:33:05,665 The entire system has to burn. 2342 01:33:05,665 --> 01:33:08,168 "Why are you blaming me for what my ancestors did? 2343 01:33:08,168 --> 01:33:09,253 "It's not my fault." 2344 01:33:09,253 --> 01:33:11,295 We want to rename the George Washington Monument. 2345 01:33:11,295 --> 01:33:12,380 This country is a piece of shit. 2346 01:33:12,380 --> 01:33:13,965 - [PLATES CRASH] - Love is also 2347 01:33:13,965 --> 01:33:15,424 not always patient and kind. 2348 01:33:15,424 --> 01:33:18,302 It's not that much different than Nazi doctors. 2349 01:33:18,302 --> 01:33:19,887 Republicans are Nazis. 2350 01:33:19,887 --> 01:33:22,014 Kindness is not what is called for. 2351 01:33:22,014 --> 01:33:23,682 It's not funny, Uncle Frank! 2352 01:33:23,682 --> 01:33:25,017 [BLEEP] you. 2353 01:33:25,809 --> 01:33:27,269 I can go get some cash, for sure. 2354 01:33:27,978 --> 01:33:29,646 Raise a glass if you're racist. 2355 01:33:29,646 --> 01:33:30,813 [LAUGHING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 [LAUGHING] 2356 01:33:31,231 --> 01:33:32,232 [MUSIC STOPS] 2357 01:33:34,191 --> 01:33:35,276 Okay. 2358 01:33:36,193 --> 01:33:37,737 Let me know if you need anything else. 2359 01:33:37,737 --> 01:33:41,532 You know, this experience has really taught me something. 2360 01:33:41,532 --> 01:33:44,118 The anti-racist industry says that America is racist 2361 01:33:44,118 --> 01:33:45,827 down to its bones. 2362 01:33:46,453 --> 01:33:47,913 And if that were true, 2363 01:33:47,913 --> 01:33:50,081 there wouldn't be anything we could do about it. 2364 01:33:50,707 --> 01:33:53,418 White people could only wallow in their guilt, 2365 01:33:53,418 --> 01:33:55,753 and Black people in their victimhood... 2366 01:33:57,880 --> 01:33:59,465 [SENTIMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2367 01:33:59,465 --> 01:34:01,216 But it's a lie. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 But it's a lie. 2368 01:34:01,216 --> 01:34:03,844 It's a lie meant to manipulate us. 2369 01:34:03,844 --> 01:34:05,345 Look, we'll never live in a utopia. 2370 01:34:05,345 --> 01:34:06,638 We all know that. 2371 01:34:07,431 --> 01:34:08,557 But we don't have to be held hostage 2372 01:34:08,557 --> 01:34:10,475 by these race-baiting con artists 2373 01:34:10,475 --> 01:34:12,936 who want us to be bitter and angry 2374 01:34:12,936 --> 01:34:14,187 and resentful. 2375 01:34:15,313 --> 01:34:16,856 They're selling us the disease. 2376 01:34:16,856 --> 01:34:19,317 They're telling us there's no cure. 2377 01:34:19,317 --> 01:34:21,152 They don't say that I'm racist, 2378 01:34:21,152 --> 01:34:24,405 and you're a victim, because that's what they think we are. 2379 01:34:25,823 --> 01:34:26,907 They tell us that 2380 01:34:26,907 --> 01:34:29,034 because that's what they want us to be. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2381 01:34:30,452 --> 01:34:33,413 Well, it's time for us to say no. 2382 01:34:33,413 --> 01:34:35,498 [SENTIMENTAL MUSIC CONTINUES] 2383 01:34:47,050 --> 01:34:48,719 [PEOPLE CHEERING] 2384 01:34:49,302 --> 01:34:51,096 Yeah! Yeah! [LAUGHING] 2385 01:34:58,644 --> 01:34:59,770 [MUSIC STOPS] 2386 01:34:59,770 --> 01:35:01,522 [UTENSILS CLACKING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 [UTENSILS CLACKING] 2387 01:35:06,651 --> 01:35:08,445 Well, bless your heart. 2388 01:35:08,987 --> 01:35:11,114 [CHUCKLES] I got a lot of tables. 2389 01:35:11,114 --> 01:35:13,199 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2390 01:35:14,158 --> 01:35:16,452 Hey. You wanna hear a joke? 2391 01:35:22,583 --> 01:35:23,584 [DIALOGUE MUTED] 2392 01:35:23,584 --> 01:35:24,918 [AM I RACIST? BY BRYSON GRAY PLAYS] 2393 01:35:24,918 --> 01:35:27,170 [RAPPING] ♪ I wanna know, am I racist? ♪ 2394 01:35:28,588 --> 01:35:29,589 ♪ Am I racist? ♪ 2395 01:35:29,589 --> 01:35:31,549 ♪ Why do you judge by the color of our faces? ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 ♪ Why do you judge by the color of our faces? ♪ 2396 01:35:31,549 --> 01:35:34,219 ♪ Is racial division just a plan by the matrix? ♪ 2397 01:35:34,219 --> 01:35:35,303 ♪ They burn down our cities ♪ 2398 01:35:35,303 --> 01:35:36,596 ♪ Then they get called courageous ♪ 2399 01:35:36,596 --> 01:35:39,431 ♪ Instead of condemning, the media give 'em praises ♪ 2400 01:35:39,431 --> 01:35:41,768 ♪ Oh, man, what is the benefit? ♪ 2401 01:35:41,768 --> 01:35:43,602 ♪ When the media ruin our images ♪ 2402 01:35:43,602 --> 01:35:46,188 ♪ If you a white male, you get called a white supremacist ♪ 2403 01:35:46,188 --> 01:35:49,358 ♪ If your opinion and the narrative have differences ♪ 2404 01:35:49,358 --> 01:35:51,860 ♪ Couple that in with all the censorship ♪ 2405 01:35:51,860 --> 01:35:53,987 {\an8}♪ And the damage they can do is limitless ♪ 2406 01:35:53,987 --> 01:35:56,572 {\an8}♪ No Brad Cooper but celebrities defendin' it ♪ 2407 01:35:57,490 --> 01:36:00,075 {\an8}♪ Oh, man, they gon' say I'm racist ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 ♪ Oh, man, they gon' say I'm racist ♪ 2408 01:36:00,075 --> 01:36:02,411 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2409 01:36:02,411 --> 01:36:04,914 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2410 01:36:04,914 --> 01:36:07,416 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2411 01:36:07,416 --> 01:36:10,294 {\an8}♪ When you say it They gon' say you racist ♪ 2412 01:36:10,294 --> 01:36:12,546 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2413 01:36:12,546 --> 01:36:15,006 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2414 01:36:15,006 --> 01:36:17,383 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2415 01:36:17,383 --> 01:36:19,969 {\an8}♪ They make you think that there's no way you can win ♪ 2416 01:36:19,969 --> 01:36:22,388 {\an8}♪ Another news clip, here we go again ♪ 2417 01:36:22,388 --> 01:36:25,057 {\an8}♪ Judgin' somebody by the color of their skin ♪ 2418 01:36:25,057 --> 01:36:27,392 {\an8}♪ Meanwhile, it's all comin' to an end ♪ 2419 01:36:27,392 --> 01:36:29,978 {\an8}♪ They ask why, and I just tell 'em, listen ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2420 01:36:29,978 --> 01:36:32,397 {\an8}♪ Are you mad because we don't think you a victim ♪ 2421 01:36:32,397 --> 01:36:34,857 {\an8}♪ You made bad choices, then you blame it on the system ♪ 2422 01:36:34,857 --> 01:36:37,276 {\an8}♪ Nowadays bein' white means you can't have an opinion ♪ 2423 01:36:37,276 --> 01:36:38,611 {\an8}♪ Especially if you Christian ♪ 2424 01:36:38,611 --> 01:36:40,780 {\an8}♪ Tell me, is it racist to not want our cities ♪ 2425 01:36:40,780 --> 01:36:42,448 {\an8}♪ Burned down by these mobs ♪ 2426 01:36:42,448 --> 01:36:44,741 {\an8}♪ To not want our stores always gettin' robbed ♪ 2427 01:36:44,741 --> 01:36:47,786 {\an8}♪ Is it racist to treat our race like it's a god ♪ 2428 01:36:47,786 --> 01:36:50,497 {\an8}♪ Oh, man, they gon' say I'm racist ♪ 2429 01:36:50,497 --> 01:36:52,999 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2430 01:36:52,999 --> 01:36:55,418 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2431 01:36:55,418 --> 01:36:57,837 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2432 01:36:57,837 --> 01:37:00,673 {\an8}♪ When you say it They gon' say you racist ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 ♪ When you say it They gon' say you racist ♪ 2433 01:37:00,673 --> 01:37:03,092 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2434 01:37:03,092 --> 01:37:05,510 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2435 01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:08,013 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2436 01:37:08,013 --> 01:37:09,098 {\an8}♪ When you say it ♪ 2437 01:37:09,764 --> 01:37:11,475 {\an8}CHOIR: [SINGING] ♪ Will you set us free ♪ 2438 01:37:11,475 --> 01:37:14,060 {\an8}♪ From these chains, these chains ♪ 2439 01:37:14,060 --> 01:37:18,857 {\an8}♪ Will you set us free ♪ 2440 01:37:18,857 --> 01:37:21,567 {\an8}- ♪ Lord, set us free ♪ - ♪ Sing! ♪ 2441 01:37:21,567 --> 01:37:24,111 {\an8}♪ From these chains, these chains ♪ 2442 01:37:24,111 --> 01:37:26,989 {\an8}- ♪ Will you set us free ♪ - ♪ No! Sing! ♪ 2443 01:37:26,989 --> 01:37:29,074 {\an8}♪ Set us free ♪ 2444 01:37:29,074 --> 01:37:31,076 {\an8}BRYSON: [RAPPING] ♪ They gon' say I'm racist ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 BRYSON: [RAPPING] ♪ They gon' say I'm racist ♪ 2445 01:37:31,076 --> 01:37:33,411 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2446 01:37:33,411 --> 01:37:35,830 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2447 01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:38,249 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2448 01:37:38,249 --> 01:37:41,127 {\an8}♪ When you say it They gon' say you racist ♪ 2449 01:37:41,127 --> 01:37:43,462 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2450 01:37:43,462 --> 01:37:45,797 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2451 01:37:45,797 --> 01:37:48,425 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2452 01:37:48,425 --> 01:37:51,261 {\an8}♪ When you say it They gon' say I'm racist ♪ 2453 01:37:51,261 --> 01:37:53,639 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2454 01:37:53,639 --> 01:37:56,099 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2455 01:37:56,099 --> 01:37:58,476 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2456 01:37:58,476 --> 01:38:01,354 {\an8}♪ One more time They gon' say you racist ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 ♪ One more time They gon' say you racist ♪ 2457 01:38:01,354 --> 01:38:03,648 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2458 01:38:03,648 --> 01:38:06,066 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2459 01:38:06,066 --> 01:38:08,693 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2460 01:38:08,693 --> 01:38:10,988 ♪ When you say it When you say it ♪ 2461 01:38:10,988 --> 01:38:13,740 [SINGING] ♪ Will you set us free? ♪ 2462 01:38:13,740 --> 01:38:14,824 ♪ Whoo! ♪ 2463 01:38:14,824 --> 01:38:18,745 ♪ Set us free ♪ 2464 01:38:20,204 --> 01:38:22,206 - [SONG ENDS] - [LINE RINGING] 2465 01:38:25,501 --> 01:38:27,044 WOMAN: Thank you for calling the Boulder Bookstore. 2466 01:38:27,044 --> 01:38:28,546 How can I help you? 2467 01:38:28,546 --> 01:38:30,172 Hi. I was just in the other day, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Hi. I was just in the other day, 2468 01:38:30,172 --> 01:38:31,799 and I saw a certain book that, uh, 2469 01:38:31,799 --> 01:38:34,009 I wasn't ready to read at the time, 2470 01:38:34,009 --> 01:38:35,593 but I think I'm ready. I wanted to see if you guys 2471 01:38:35,593 --> 01:38:37,137 still have it in stock. 2472 01:38:37,137 --> 01:38:38,638 Yeah, what was the title? 2473 01:38:39,263 --> 01:38:43,017 Uh, it starts... So it starts with an "N." 2474 01:38:43,017 --> 01:38:44,310 Um... 2475 01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:45,561 I don't remember the... 2476 01:38:46,645 --> 01:38:48,022 I don't remember the author. 2477 01:38:51,066 --> 01:38:52,192 Um... 2478 01:38:52,192 --> 01:38:53,777 It... It's... 2479 01:38:53,777 --> 01:38:56,112 You don't know the title of the book either? 2480 01:38:56,863 --> 01:38:58,573 Well, it... it's, uh... 2481 01:38:58,573 --> 01:38:59,907 'Cause it got... It's kind of... 2482 01:38:59,907 --> 01:39:01,909 It starts with an "N" and there's kind of, uh... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 It starts with an "N" and there's kind of, uh... 2483 01:39:01,909 --> 01:39:03,118 Well, there's... 2484 01:39:03,118 --> 01:39:04,912 It's like there's... there's a vowel, there's consonants, 2485 01:39:04,912 --> 01:39:06,455 there's a vowel. Um... 2486 01:39:07,331 --> 01:39:09,041 It... It's one word. 2487 01:39:09,041 --> 01:39:11,543 I really... I don't know how to look it up 2488 01:39:11,543 --> 01:39:13,628 without the title or the author. 2489 01:39:14,671 --> 01:39:16,423 Well, it's got kind of... So it starts with an "N." 2490 01:39:16,423 --> 01:39:18,382 And then it's got kind of, sort of, it's got an "I," 2491 01:39:18,382 --> 01:39:20,677 uh, there, it... it's... 2492 01:39:20,677 --> 01:39:23,637 I guess... I mean, we've got thousands of books, 2493 01:39:23,637 --> 01:39:25,889 so I don't really know how to look it up 2494 01:39:25,889 --> 01:39:29,602 with just knowing the two... first two letters. 2495 01:39:29,602 --> 01:39:32,479 It's "N-I..." So it's like an "N-I..." X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 It's "N-I..." So it's like an "N-I..." 2496 01:39:33,731 --> 01:39:35,357 There's the... It's a "G..." 2497 01:39:36,733 --> 01:39:38,151 is in there, and there's another one. 2498 01:39:38,151 --> 01:39:40,695 Let me put you on a brief hold and go check. 2499 01:39:40,695 --> 01:39:42,947 [HOLD MUSIC PLAYING] 2500 01:39:42,947 --> 01:39:44,031 [SNIFFS] 2501 01:39:48,244 --> 01:39:51,622 Thanks for holding. Um, I'm not seeing anything. 2502 01:39:52,456 --> 01:39:54,625 I mean, maybe try to think of the title 2503 01:39:54,625 --> 01:39:56,877 - if you can and call back? - Well, it's... 2504 01:39:56,877 --> 01:39:58,711 Sorry, sorry. I... I know the title. 2505 01:39:58,711 --> 01:40:00,838 I just can't... I can't say the title. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I just can't... I can't say the title. 2506 01:40:01,922 --> 01:40:02,923 - And I... - Okay. 2507 01:40:02,923 --> 01:40:04,592 I don't know. I don't think you can say it either, 2508 01:40:04,592 --> 01:40:05,718 so I don't... 2509 01:40:05,718 --> 01:40:07,469 It's a very... It's a triggering title. 2510 01:40:07,469 --> 01:40:09,471 Uh, it actually rhymes with "trigger," actually, 2511 01:40:09,471 --> 01:40:11,806 and, uh, so... 2512 01:40:14,017 --> 01:40:15,560 but that's what I was wondering, 2513 01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:16,853 if it was there. 2514 01:40:18,855 --> 01:40:22,608 Um, I mean, I didn't see it when I just went and looked. 2515 01:40:22,608 --> 01:40:24,360 Okay. But you know what I'm talking about? 2516 01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:25,444 Yeah. 2517 01:40:25,444 --> 01:40:27,238 It... It's that book. 2518 01:40:27,238 --> 01:40:28,739 - Yeah. - MATT: Okay. 2519 01:40:29,365 --> 01:40:31,450 - WOMAN: Okay. Have a good day. - [RECEIVER CLICKS] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - WOMAN: Okay. Have a good day. - [RECEIVER CLICKS]