WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:01.504 --> 00:00:04.375 Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone 2 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:04.375 --> 00:00:07.247 were not just rivals in the movie biz, 4 00:00:07.247 --> 00:00:09.319 they were out to get each other. 5 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 6 00:00:09.920 --> 00:00:13.359 I mean, as soon as I saw him, it was like, bang. 7 00:00:13.895 --> 00:00:15.397 Two alphas hitting. 8 00:00:16.934 --> 00:00:18.403 At first, 9 00:00:19.171 --> 00:00:22.278 it was all about the venture. 10 00:00:22.278 --> 00:00:24.182 Every time I read this is, 11 00:00:24.182 --> 00:00:28.824 "Sly just got the new record number, $10 million." 12 00:00:28.824 --> 00:00:30.895 "Son of a bitch." 13 00:00:32.666 --> 00:00:36.406 And then the rivalry just got insane. 14 00:00:36.406 --> 00:00:40.848 We ended up kind of like, "You killed 28 people in the movie. 15 00:00:40.848 --> 00:00:41.951 I killed 32." 16 00:00:41.951 --> 00:00:43.520 "I gotta top that." 17 00:00:45.558 --> 00:00:49.398 For the first time, these two icons sit down together 18 00:00:49.398 --> 00:00:52.906 and confess things each did 19 00:00:52.906 --> 00:00:54.676 to torpedo the other. 20 00:00:55.812 --> 00:00:57.749 You talked to my director? 21 00:00:57.749 --> 00:00:59.084 - Yeah. - Oh, my God. 22 00:00:59.619 --> 00:01:03.728 Over time, they bonded and became brothers in arms. 23 00:01:03.728 --> 00:01:06.432 I wish I could be as passionate about things as he is. 24 00:01:06.432 --> 00:01:08.269 - Is that true? - Absolutely. 25 00:01:08.269 --> 00:01:09.806 - Really? - Are you kidding me? 26 00:01:11.242 --> 00:01:13.079 What's Arnold's legacy? 27 00:01:13.881 --> 00:01:16.853 He came, he saw, he conquered. 28 00:01:16.853 --> 00:01:21.462 Two men who became the biggest action heroes of all time. 29 00:01:21.462 --> 00:01:24.102 He has-- His shirt maker makes a shirt 30 00:01:24.102 --> 00:01:27.007 that has it pulled underneath like diapers. 31 00:01:27.007 --> 00:01:29.445 Magic's in the details, pal. 32 00:01:29.445 --> 00:01:33.353 TMZ Presents: Arnold & Sly: 33 00:01:33.353 --> 00:01:36.660 Rivals, Friends, Icons. 34 00:01:40.333 --> 00:01:45.177 The way I see this is that both of you... 35 00:01:45.177 --> 00:01:47.447 were kind of improbable movie stars, 36 00:01:47.447 --> 00:01:50.187 and yet you conquered Hollywood. 37 00:01:54.261 --> 00:01:56.466 You rose to the top of the mountain. 38 00:01:56.466 --> 00:01:59.238 Really, there were only two of you at the top of the mountain. 39 00:01:59.238 --> 00:02:03.046 So why did each of you feel the need 40 00:02:03.046 --> 00:02:04.516 to push the other off the mountain? 41 00:02:04.516 --> 00:02:06.218 I guess for that very reason. 42 00:02:06.218 --> 00:02:08.557 There's not that much room up there, you know. 43 00:02:08.557 --> 00:02:10.427 Everybody wants to be on the point. 44 00:02:10.427 --> 00:02:13.501 I think it's something you're born with. 45 00:02:13.501 --> 00:02:17.108 I would go out for parts I knew I was wrong for, 46 00:02:17.108 --> 00:02:18.443 but I wanted them so bad. 47 00:02:18.443 --> 00:02:20.414 And I would tell the producer, director, I said, 48 00:02:20.414 --> 00:02:22.418 "I know. I'm half the size, 49 00:02:22.418 --> 00:02:25.758 you want this and that, but I'll destroy this guy." 50 00:02:25.758 --> 00:02:30.568 And when he came along, I went, "Okay, finally... 51 00:02:31.704 --> 00:02:34.809 I have something that will really motivate me," 52 00:02:34.809 --> 00:02:38.449 because he is, dare I say, competition or threat, 53 00:02:38.449 --> 00:02:40.655 whatever words you wanna use. 54 00:02:40.655 --> 00:02:42.291 And, I mean, as soon as I saw him, 55 00:02:42.291 --> 00:02:45.163 it was like, bang, two alphas hitting. 56 00:02:45.163 --> 00:02:47.401 Yeah, if we walked into a party, 57 00:02:47.401 --> 00:02:50.340 we'd be, like, staring at each other for a few seconds. 58 00:02:50.340 --> 00:02:53.113 And then, "I got to get that guy." I don't know. 59 00:02:53.113 --> 00:02:55.183 He didn't do anything wrong, but he will. 60 00:02:55.183 --> 00:02:58.390 The one that started this whole thing was me 61 00:02:58.390 --> 00:02:59.660 by opening up my mouth, 62 00:02:59.660 --> 00:03:02.899 saying stupid things, being competitive. 63 00:03:02.899 --> 00:03:05.504 You come around here. You wanna move in here with me? 64 00:03:05.504 --> 00:03:07.275 Come on in! It's a nice house. 65 00:03:07.275 --> 00:03:08.578 Rocky came out, 66 00:03:08.578 --> 00:03:11.316 and I was, like, blown away by his acting... 67 00:03:11.316 --> 00:03:13.286 - Oh, right, right. - ...and by the movie. 68 00:03:13.286 --> 00:03:17.728 And then after that, we were at the Golden Globes. 69 00:03:21.135 --> 00:03:22.673 And we both won. 70 00:03:22.673 --> 00:03:25.745 And so it was plenty of room for everybody. 71 00:03:25.745 --> 00:03:27.648 But that's not the way I understand this. 72 00:03:27.648 --> 00:03:31.388 I thought you, when Rocky won Best Picture... 73 00:03:31.388 --> 00:03:33.393 - Yes. - ...you threw a bowl of flowers at him. 74 00:03:33.393 --> 00:03:36.533 I absolutely did. He was sitting across from me, 75 00:03:36.533 --> 00:03:39.906 and I'm going-- He won Best Newcomer. 76 00:03:39.906 --> 00:03:43.479 No offense, but Rocky was a pretty good debut, 77 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:46.386 and he's looking very proud of himself. 78 00:03:46.386 --> 00:03:48.323 And I didn't think we were gonna win Best Picture. 79 00:03:48.323 --> 00:03:50.427 Rocky. 80 00:03:50.427 --> 00:03:52.699 We win, and I lost it. 81 00:03:52.699 --> 00:03:56.405 And then I went and picked up this entire bouquet of flowers 82 00:03:56.405 --> 00:03:58.811 and tossed them straight up in the air, 83 00:03:58.811 --> 00:04:01.482 sort of aiming towards his side of the table. 84 00:04:01.482 --> 00:04:03.253 And it all comes down. 85 00:04:03.253 --> 00:04:05.891 He's just sitting there with the same kind of... 86 00:04:05.891 --> 00:04:07.161 like, "Okay." 87 00:04:07.161 --> 00:04:08.598 He just threw down the gun. 88 00:04:08.598 --> 00:04:10.234 And I kind of think, "Here we go." 89 00:04:10.234 --> 00:04:11.503 You remember that? 90 00:04:11.503 --> 00:04:13.106 I remember the incident, 91 00:04:13.106 --> 00:04:17.748 but it was not yet kind of like the point where I said, "Okay. 92 00:04:18.818 --> 00:04:21.355 This is now the beginning of a battle." 93 00:04:21.355 --> 00:04:24.328 It just developed then from then on. 94 00:04:24.328 --> 00:04:26.933 Now I had to chase him. 95 00:04:26.933 --> 00:04:29.572 And then he did, you know, Rocky II and then Rocky II, 96 00:04:29.572 --> 00:04:31.276 and then he did all those movies 97 00:04:31.276 --> 00:04:32.879 and it just kept going up and up. 98 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:36.786 And I made-- My salary was kind of like 10% of his. 99 00:04:36.786 --> 00:04:39.960 You know, when he got now $2 million, I got $200,000. 100 00:04:39.960 --> 00:04:42.565 I think you were overpaid, but don't say anything. 101 00:04:42.565 --> 00:04:45.638 He made $5 million. I got the $500,000. 102 00:04:45.638 --> 00:04:47.942 So it was like, I had to kind of, like, chase behind him. 103 00:04:47.942 --> 00:04:50.681 I said, "This has to stop." And every time I read this is, 104 00:04:50.681 --> 00:04:55.524 "Sly just got the new record number $10 million." 105 00:04:55.524 --> 00:04:57.394 - You remember that? - No actor-- Yeah, yeah. 106 00:04:57.394 --> 00:04:59.666 No actor ever got 10 mill-- 107 00:04:59.666 --> 00:05:02.370 Not even Marlon Brando got $10 million. 108 00:05:02.370 --> 00:05:03.974 And I said... 109 00:05:04.776 --> 00:05:06.445 -"Son of a bitch." 110 00:05:06.445 --> 00:05:08.450 - So I didn't boycott his movies 111 00:05:08.450 --> 00:05:10.921 or anything like this. I loved when he did Rambo, 112 00:05:10.921 --> 00:05:14.629 - I loved when he did Rocky. - This is all news to me, but keep going. 113 00:05:14.629 --> 00:05:16.534 I had to kind of catch up to that, right? 114 00:05:16.534 --> 00:05:19.371 So, this was-- It gave me kind of a motivation, 115 00:05:19.371 --> 00:05:21.042 and this is what the whole thing was about. 116 00:05:21.042 --> 00:05:25.117 It became, then, very, very competitive, the whole thing. 117 00:05:25.117 --> 00:05:27.822 I get what you're saying, that there were two of you 118 00:05:27.822 --> 00:05:31.061 and then both far below other people, 119 00:05:31.061 --> 00:05:32.833 but in a way, 120 00:05:32.833 --> 00:05:36.573 were you guys a little bit in different lanes? 121 00:05:36.573 --> 00:05:40.280 Your movies were fantastical. 122 00:05:40.280 --> 00:05:43.486 They were almost science fiction-like. 123 00:05:43.486 --> 00:05:45.157 Your clothes. 124 00:05:45.658 --> 00:05:47.862 Give them to me. Now. 125 00:05:49.699 --> 00:05:52.572 And you were more grounded in reality. 126 00:05:52.572 --> 00:05:53.975 Why you doing me no favors? 127 00:05:53.975 --> 00:05:55.711 You're embarrassing me in front of everybody. 128 00:05:55.711 --> 00:05:57.949 You make me look bad in front of your sister. 129 00:05:57.949 --> 00:06:00.320 See this cigar? I'll stick it in your ear. 130 00:06:00.320 --> 00:06:01.956 Now don't do these things to me. 131 00:06:01.956 --> 00:06:06.700 So did you still see yourselves, like, in the same lane, 132 00:06:06.700 --> 00:06:09.472 or wasn't there kind of a separation 133 00:06:09.472 --> 00:06:11.710 in what you were doing, at least at the beginning? 134 00:06:11.710 --> 00:06:13.514 I always saw it as a big time separation. 135 00:06:13.514 --> 00:06:17.153 For example, he was perfect for Terminator. 136 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:21.696 I would never have been chosen for-- 137 00:06:21.696 --> 00:06:23.534 You know, I have crooked mouth, drooping eyes. 138 00:06:23.534 --> 00:06:26.406 If you're building something so technical 139 00:06:26.406 --> 00:06:29.979 and, like, precise, playing a robot, 140 00:06:29.979 --> 00:06:34.154 Arnold has the features, the chisel, the hair, the look. 141 00:06:34.154 --> 00:06:39.298 And so, he was always a different kind of action guy, I think. 142 00:06:39.298 --> 00:06:41.903 He was more of a precise, 143 00:06:41.903 --> 00:06:43.741 you know, kind of a perfectionist. 144 00:06:43.741 --> 00:06:47.548 I was more free-form and more grounded, like you say. 145 00:06:47.548 --> 00:06:49.852 And I had to deal with what I had with, 146 00:06:49.852 --> 00:06:51.524 you know, I didn't have his body. 147 00:06:51.524 --> 00:06:52.859 So I dealt more movements 148 00:06:52.859 --> 00:06:56.065 and being more stealth, more catlike. 149 00:06:58.804 --> 00:07:00.173 Don't push it. 150 00:07:00.741 --> 00:07:03.513 Don't push it, or I'll give you a war you won't believe. 151 00:07:03.513 --> 00:07:05.450 And he was more powerful-like. 152 00:07:11.563 --> 00:07:12.899 Yet we achieved the same goal. 153 00:07:12.899 --> 00:07:14.368 Yeah, no, absolutely. 154 00:07:14.368 --> 00:07:15.605 I think that you end up doing 155 00:07:15.605 --> 00:07:18.243 the things that you can do. 156 00:07:18.777 --> 00:07:21.917 And also, the things that people are buying in on. 157 00:07:21.917 --> 00:07:24.154 And The Terminator, which was a science fiction character... 158 00:07:24.154 --> 00:07:26.693 Right. - Yeah, you can't have a machine that slurs. 159 00:07:26.693 --> 00:07:28.697 - It doesn't work. 160 00:07:28.697 --> 00:07:31.268 And then with Total Recall and with all of these movies, 161 00:07:31.268 --> 00:07:32.772 these were all-- and Running Man, 162 00:07:32.772 --> 00:07:34.676 these were all kind of like science fiction 163 00:07:34.676 --> 00:07:36.078 or futuristic type of movies. 164 00:07:36.078 --> 00:07:40.052 Yes, he was on a different track than I was. 165 00:07:40.052 --> 00:07:44.963 But still, it was an end where we ended up kind of like, 166 00:07:44.963 --> 00:07:48.269 "Well, you killed 28 people in the movie. 167 00:07:48.269 --> 00:07:50.139 I killed 32." 168 00:07:50.942 --> 00:07:52.277 "I got to top that." 169 00:07:52.277 --> 00:07:53.413 So body count mattered. 170 00:07:53.413 --> 00:07:54.983 It was not a body count. 171 00:07:54.983 --> 00:07:58.489 And then it was kind of like, "Well, what was your body fat?" 172 00:07:58.489 --> 00:08:01.796 You know, "I was down to 7%," Sly said. 173 00:08:01.796 --> 00:08:03.968 And I said, "I was down to 10%." 174 00:08:03.968 --> 00:08:06.673 So it became a competition with the body. 175 00:08:06.673 --> 00:08:08.577 - Yeah. - And then it was kind of like-- 176 00:08:08.577 --> 00:08:10.046 Then he started using machine guns 177 00:08:10.046 --> 00:08:12.719 that were kind of like, huge machine guns. 178 00:08:12.719 --> 00:08:15.558 I was running after him. He was not running after me. 179 00:08:15.558 --> 00:08:18.029 So I said-- When we did Predator, I said, 180 00:08:18.029 --> 00:08:20.433 "You got to get a machine gun that is normally 181 00:08:20.433 --> 00:08:24.274 mounted on a tank or on a helicopter." 182 00:08:24.274 --> 00:08:25.711 "Arnold, you can never hold it." 183 00:08:25.711 --> 00:08:27.615 I said, "We figure out a way. Don't worry about it." 184 00:08:27.615 --> 00:08:30.487 I got to have a bigger gun, a bigger machine gun 185 00:08:30.487 --> 00:08:31.690 than Sly used in Rambo. 186 00:08:31.690 --> 00:08:33.159 So this is how it went. 187 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:36.365 So then he killed 80 people, I had to kill 87 people. 188 00:08:36.365 --> 00:08:37.601 And you got sucked into it too, 189 00:08:37.601 --> 00:08:39.539 because the difference between 190 00:08:39.539 --> 00:08:41.543 Rambo I and II and III and IV, 191 00:08:41.543 --> 00:08:43.346 you got your guns bigger, 192 00:08:43.346 --> 00:08:46.786 - more body count, the whole thing. Everything, yeah. 193 00:08:51.361 --> 00:08:53.701 Franco Columbu, 194 00:08:53.701 --> 00:08:56.105 - my training partner... - Right. 195 00:08:57.340 --> 00:08:59.344 ...was his trainer for Rambo. 196 00:08:59.344 --> 00:09:02.150 Okay, throw it, throw it. 197 00:09:03.687 --> 00:09:06.192 I got to tell you about Franco, man. This guy here, 198 00:09:06.192 --> 00:09:09.098 - he was very eccentric. Would you say? - Yeah, yeah. 199 00:09:09.098 --> 00:09:12.003 And we're working out, he goes, "Let's have a competition with bench press." 200 00:09:12.003 --> 00:09:14.809 I said, "You won." He goes, "No, come," and he went. 201 00:09:14.809 --> 00:09:18.584 I said, "Oh, man." So I go down, and it's maybe only 200. 202 00:09:18.584 --> 00:09:20.621 I'm just warming up, and I hear, "pow!" 203 00:09:20.621 --> 00:09:22.959 I go, "Ah!" 204 00:09:22.959 --> 00:09:25.598 And I fall on the floor and I'm going, "Ugh!" 205 00:09:25.598 --> 00:09:27.602 And then Franco goes, "Let me see." 206 00:09:27.602 --> 00:09:29.371 And he jams his fingers. 207 00:09:29.371 --> 00:09:31.208 I've torn my pec off the bone. 208 00:09:31.208 --> 00:09:33.680 - Ugh! - I mean, it's bad. I could hear it go "rip." 209 00:09:33.680 --> 00:09:35.684 And he's jamming his fingers in. 210 00:09:35.684 --> 00:09:38.123 And I go, "Ah!" And I think I'm gonna black out. 211 00:09:38.123 --> 00:09:41.128 So, I go home. I feel like my career is over. 212 00:09:41.128 --> 00:09:46.573 I'm supposed to start Rocky II, directed everything in a month and a half. 213 00:09:46.573 --> 00:09:47.775 And I think, you know, 214 00:09:47.775 --> 00:09:49.746 I got to have this thing sewn up. 215 00:09:49.746 --> 00:09:51.650 And, you know, and here's the difference. 216 00:09:51.650 --> 00:09:53.754 And he would have done the same thing. 217 00:09:53.754 --> 00:09:56.626 I can't use this arm. So, I'll change it, 218 00:09:56.626 --> 00:09:58.730 and Rocky, he'll fight right-handed. 219 00:09:58.730 --> 00:10:01.134 He's fighting right-handed! I don't believe it. 220 00:10:01.134 --> 00:10:04.008 The southpaw from Philly is fighting right-handed! 221 00:10:04.008 --> 00:10:06.980 Mickey goes, "At the very end, you'll switch and catch him off-guard," 222 00:10:06.980 --> 00:10:08.884 which is completely illogical. 223 00:10:08.884 --> 00:10:11.890 But I said, "I'm not stopping this movie just for this." 224 00:10:11.890 --> 00:10:13.928 - So this is a bad injury. - So you switched arms. 225 00:10:13.928 --> 00:10:16.331 I switched arms. So in Rocky, it was one of the key things. 226 00:10:20.407 --> 00:10:23.713 But it's interesting the way these incredible journeys happen. 227 00:10:23.713 --> 00:10:26.419 But we don't stop. We don't quit. 228 00:10:32.064 --> 00:10:33.633 - He punked you. - Yes, he did. 229 00:10:33.633 --> 00:10:35.103 - You got suckered in. - Yeah. 230 00:10:35.237 --> 00:10:38.610 - So he played you. - He did, and I'm stuck with that forever. 231 00:10:53.072 --> 00:10:55.043 One of my favorite stories about you guys 232 00:10:55.043 --> 00:10:56.880 was Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot. 233 00:10:56.880 --> 00:10:58.651 - Yeah. - He punked you. 234 00:10:58.651 --> 00:10:59.886 - He punked you. - Yes, he did. 235 00:10:59.886 --> 00:11:02.925 Because you knew it was a bad script 236 00:11:02.925 --> 00:11:06.031 and acted like you wanted it. 237 00:11:06.031 --> 00:11:07.801 - You got suckered in. - Yeah. 238 00:11:07.801 --> 00:11:09.906 - So he played you. - Yes, he did. 239 00:11:09.906 --> 00:11:12.778 He did, and I'm stuck with that forever. 240 00:11:14.014 --> 00:11:18.055 First of all, when we talk about the movie, 241 00:11:18.055 --> 00:11:20.695 I didn't talk him into because I never talked him about it. 242 00:11:20.695 --> 00:11:23.967 But it was very clear that his agent 243 00:11:23.967 --> 00:11:26.840 was telling my agent, 244 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:29.244 "Look, Sly is interested in doing it, 245 00:11:29.244 --> 00:11:31.650 but I don't know if it's the right thing for him. 246 00:11:31.650 --> 00:11:33.319 Let me know what you guys are thinking." 247 00:11:33.319 --> 00:11:37.461 And then my agent said, "Well, you know, Arnold really loves it. 248 00:11:37.461 --> 00:11:38.864 I think it's fantastic." 249 00:11:38.864 --> 00:11:41.536 So then I called Roger Spottiswoode, 250 00:11:41.536 --> 00:11:43.072 who was the director, 251 00:11:43.072 --> 00:11:45.276 who just did the James Bond movie. 252 00:11:45.276 --> 00:11:48.482 - Oh, my God. And so he was kind of the hot director. 253 00:11:48.482 --> 00:11:49.853 So he was the right guy to go. 254 00:11:49.853 --> 00:11:51.422 - Did you know this? - No. 255 00:11:51.422 --> 00:11:55.497 So anyway, so he's-- I talked to Roger Spottiswoode. 256 00:11:55.497 --> 00:11:57.535 You talked to my director? 257 00:11:57.535 --> 00:11:58.837 - Yeah. - Oh, my God. 258 00:11:58.837 --> 00:12:00.273 So my agent then said, 259 00:12:00.273 --> 00:12:02.612 "Well, Arnold is talking to Roger Spottiswoode now, 260 00:12:02.612 --> 00:12:04.716 and he's already-- he's really into it. 261 00:12:04.716 --> 00:12:06.753 I think we're gonna take the project." 262 00:12:06.753 --> 00:12:08.858 And then, of course, his agent, 263 00:12:08.858 --> 00:12:10.795 knowing that he's competitive with me, 264 00:12:10.795 --> 00:12:12.364 he said, "You cannot let that happen." 265 00:12:12.364 --> 00:12:15.236 And so he then called the studio right away and says, 266 00:12:15.236 --> 00:12:17.107 "Look, you've got to give this to Sly. 267 00:12:17.107 --> 00:12:19.278 Don't give it to Schwarzenegger. You've got to give this to Sly." 268 00:12:19.278 --> 00:12:23.252 And I said, "Fine, Sly got it." And so then he got the movie. 269 00:12:23.252 --> 00:12:25.456 So I was, of course, absolutely in heaven, 270 00:12:25.456 --> 00:12:28.797 because I said, "I felt like the only way that I could catch up with him 271 00:12:28.797 --> 00:12:30.768 is if he has a stumble." 272 00:12:30.768 --> 00:12:33.205 - Can you get more Machiavellian? - It is. 273 00:12:33.205 --> 00:12:35.410 You got to go and have him have a failure. 274 00:12:35.410 --> 00:12:37.949 - Unbelievable. It was psychological. 275 00:12:37.949 --> 00:12:40.854 This is a whole thing about in Hollywood 276 00:12:40.854 --> 00:12:43.392 when you're always as good as your last movie. 277 00:12:43.392 --> 00:12:47.333 So I felt kind of like, "Okay, if Sly would stumble..." 278 00:12:47.333 --> 00:12:51.475 And sure enough, when the movie came out, it was a disaster. 279 00:12:53.847 --> 00:12:56.051 You know, so, I mean, so the day was hanging 280 00:12:56.051 --> 00:12:57.956 and everyone was writing, you know, 281 00:12:57.956 --> 00:13:00.326 "What a day-- the heydays are over for Sly." 282 00:13:00.326 --> 00:13:03.767 So I said, "Okay, this is now a moment for me to catch up." 283 00:13:03.767 --> 00:13:07.207 The way you talk, it makes me think 284 00:13:07.207 --> 00:13:11.650 that neither of you would be as successful without the other. 285 00:13:11.650 --> 00:13:12.818 I can't agree to that. 286 00:13:12.818 --> 00:13:15.791 I think it helped 287 00:13:15.791 --> 00:13:18.897 because we came along in a certain era 288 00:13:18.897 --> 00:13:21.302 that the movies were transitioning. 289 00:13:21.302 --> 00:13:24.074 There were no such thing as real action movies. 290 00:13:24.074 --> 00:13:27.047 You saw a car chase. You saw some gunplay. 291 00:13:27.047 --> 00:13:29.350 There was no action film where you actually said, 292 00:13:29.350 --> 00:13:32.958 "Okay, from beginning to end, this guy is in movement. 293 00:13:32.958 --> 00:13:36.098 He's doing things. He's making action happen." 294 00:13:36.098 --> 00:13:38.469 - Hey, hey! Wait! 295 00:13:41.809 --> 00:13:44.181 First Blood, which was almost a joke. 296 00:13:44.181 --> 00:13:47.821 I was the 11th choice. It was a cursed film. 297 00:13:47.821 --> 00:13:49.826 And that became my first action film. 298 00:13:49.826 --> 00:13:52.631 Real action. No dialogue, no nothing. 299 00:13:52.631 --> 00:13:55.002 And then Arnold, 300 00:13:55.002 --> 00:13:58.008 his films also were very action-oriented. 301 00:13:58.008 --> 00:14:00.012 So we kind of started something 302 00:14:00.012 --> 00:14:02.216 that I don't think exists anymore. 303 00:14:02.216 --> 00:14:04.354 At least it doesn't the way-- 304 00:14:04.354 --> 00:14:07.260 It was like a man against the world kind of thing. 305 00:14:07.260 --> 00:14:10.166 Now it's more of ensemble against the world, you know. 306 00:14:10.166 --> 00:14:13.640 But you said that he really kind of inspired you 307 00:14:13.640 --> 00:14:16.345 to work harder, to do better. 308 00:14:16.345 --> 00:14:19.518 So in a way, each of you help the other. 309 00:14:19.518 --> 00:14:22.658 - Yeah. - Well, there's no two ways about that. 310 00:14:22.658 --> 00:14:25.463 He was very helpful in my career 311 00:14:25.463 --> 00:14:28.870 because I had something that I could chase 312 00:14:28.870 --> 00:14:30.507 and that I could kind of, like, 313 00:14:30.507 --> 00:14:33.580 "Oh, I have to be able to do this kind of work." 314 00:14:33.580 --> 00:14:37.821 But at the same time, I think that what is important 315 00:14:37.821 --> 00:14:39.424 and he did not mention yet is 316 00:14:39.424 --> 00:14:44.101 - that we have created a certain kind of era. - Yeah. 317 00:14:44.101 --> 00:14:47.875 And that is kind of like we were the first ones 318 00:14:47.875 --> 00:14:51.048 that did action movies 319 00:14:51.048 --> 00:14:53.452 and that were actually believable 320 00:14:53.452 --> 00:14:56.191 that we could do the things that we did on the screen 321 00:14:56.191 --> 00:14:58.997 because of our muscular development, 322 00:14:58.997 --> 00:15:01.101 because of our bodies. 323 00:15:01.101 --> 00:15:03.039 We were ripped. We had abs, we had deltas. 324 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:05.110 We looked totally believable 325 00:15:05.110 --> 00:15:07.313 that we could do those kind of things. 326 00:15:07.313 --> 00:15:11.155 And so then you saw other kind of action heroes 327 00:15:11.155 --> 00:15:13.358 kind of changing quickly 328 00:15:13.358 --> 00:15:15.196 and going and running to the gym, 329 00:15:15.196 --> 00:15:16.900 getting personal trainers 330 00:15:16.900 --> 00:15:18.671 and training and training and training, 331 00:15:18.671 --> 00:15:19.972 and then coming out 332 00:15:19.972 --> 00:15:21.342 and then looking also ripped and all this. 333 00:15:21.342 --> 00:15:23.913 And all of a sudden, it spread in movies. 334 00:15:23.913 --> 00:15:25.183 It spread on TV. 335 00:15:25.383 --> 00:15:27.186 I have to stop right here and interrupt one time, 336 00:15:27.186 --> 00:15:29.157 because you're absolutely right. 337 00:15:29.157 --> 00:15:33.031 A lot of guys did come out, but they weren't action guys. 338 00:15:33.031 --> 00:15:36.037 They were martial arts guys. A whole other thing. 339 00:15:36.037 --> 00:15:37.508 And we didn't care about that. 340 00:15:37.508 --> 00:15:41.148 We were more different in the way we fought back. 341 00:15:41.148 --> 00:15:46.358 So I've only seen really maybe two or three real action guys 342 00:15:46.358 --> 00:15:49.230 and the rest are kind of hyphenate martial arts guys, 343 00:15:49.230 --> 00:15:51.301 which is a whole other thing. 344 00:15:51.301 --> 00:15:53.106 You know, you come into a room 345 00:15:53.106 --> 00:15:55.611 and you fight 20 guys and no one pulls a gun. 346 00:15:55.611 --> 00:16:00.253 Our films were more of an adventure and totally different. 347 00:16:00.253 --> 00:16:02.525 And neither one of us know a thing about martial arts, 348 00:16:02.525 --> 00:16:05.997 but we know how to bust a head or two. 349 00:16:05.997 --> 00:16:07.167 Run over him. 350 00:16:07.167 --> 00:16:09.304 - Okay. - Go get 'em. 351 00:16:12.243 --> 00:16:14.113 We created that era. 352 00:16:14.113 --> 00:16:16.953 Now there are a lot of actors 353 00:16:16.953 --> 00:16:19.258 that are living off that era 354 00:16:19.258 --> 00:16:21.328 and they're copying that, 355 00:16:21.328 --> 00:16:24.568 and they're very, very successful in doing so. 356 00:16:29.277 --> 00:16:31.481 I'm a very emotional person. 357 00:16:31.481 --> 00:16:35.624 I think that people that have had horrible upbringings, 358 00:16:35.624 --> 00:16:39.163 it's a [bleep] terrible burden to lay on anyone. 359 00:16:39.163 --> 00:16:41.268 I think that what drove me was, 360 00:16:41.268 --> 00:16:44.976 I had such need to create my own world. 361 00:16:44.976 --> 00:16:48.716 I had to get out of that misery at home. 362 00:17:01.441 --> 00:17:03.279 What's your favorite Schwarzenegger movie? 363 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:06.152 Terminator 2 is, like, perfect film. 364 00:17:06.152 --> 00:17:09.457 - Get down. 365 00:17:10.126 --> 00:17:11.629 Wouldn't you agree? 366 00:17:11.629 --> 00:17:13.900 It's like, everything about it was just spot on. 367 00:17:13.900 --> 00:17:16.138 It had new CGI, 368 00:17:16.138 --> 00:17:17.674 had new inventive, had a good villain. 369 00:17:17.674 --> 00:17:22.283 I think he really-- he really excelled in that. 370 00:17:22.283 --> 00:17:24.454 What about your favorite Sly movie? 371 00:17:24.454 --> 00:17:26.325 Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot. That's it. 372 00:17:26.325 --> 00:17:29.364 I know you guys-- It's okay. And I'll say Junior. 373 00:17:29.364 --> 00:17:31.936 - Rambo II. - Rambo II? 374 00:17:31.936 --> 00:17:36.178 - Wow. - My favorite is Rambo IV. 375 00:17:36.178 --> 00:17:38.382 Can I get psychological for a minute? 376 00:17:38.382 --> 00:17:42.189 You both had really tough upbringings, both of you. 377 00:17:46.165 --> 00:17:48.269 Almost horrific in a way. 378 00:17:48.269 --> 00:17:50.507 There's this famous poem, 379 00:17:50.507 --> 00:17:54.348 it's called "Children Learn What They Live." 380 00:17:54.348 --> 00:17:56.619 And a part of the poem is, 381 00:17:56.619 --> 00:18:00.660 "If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn. 382 00:18:00.660 --> 00:18:05.369 If children live with hostility, they learn to fight." 383 00:18:05.369 --> 00:18:07.508 When you guys look at your childhood, 384 00:18:07.508 --> 00:18:10.379 because I'm really fascinated by it because I had a rough childhood too, 385 00:18:10.379 --> 00:18:13.119 and I can relate to some of what you guys went through. 386 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:15.657 When you think about your childhood, 387 00:18:15.657 --> 00:18:20.333 what carried forward with you to this day? 388 00:18:20.333 --> 00:18:23.005 Because you don't shed it. You don't forget it. 389 00:18:23.005 --> 00:18:24.240 It doesn't go away. 390 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:27.013 So what is it in your childhood 391 00:18:27.013 --> 00:18:29.250 that is still part of you, good or bad? 392 00:18:29.250 --> 00:18:33.391 Well, I have a lot of sadness, 393 00:18:33.391 --> 00:18:37.434 you know, because I think about what could have been. 394 00:18:37.434 --> 00:18:40.239 It didn't have to be so bad. And it was bad. 395 00:18:40.239 --> 00:18:42.343 Yeah, both your parents, especially your mom, 396 00:18:42.343 --> 00:18:44.515 were just abusive and cruel. 397 00:18:44.515 --> 00:18:46.586 I think that a lot of people go, 398 00:18:46.586 --> 00:18:49.024 "Oh, that's what made you what you are today." 399 00:18:49.024 --> 00:18:50.326 I think it's a lie. 400 00:18:50.528 --> 00:18:54.568 I think that you are-- I am who I am. 401 00:18:54.568 --> 00:18:58.142 If I had been encouraged and someone was more supportive, 402 00:18:58.142 --> 00:19:00.547 I think it would have been even better. 403 00:19:00.547 --> 00:19:03.419 But instead, I had to try to overcome 404 00:19:03.419 --> 00:19:06.726 all these insecurities and doubting 405 00:19:06.726 --> 00:19:11.168 from the parents to overcome that and succeed. 406 00:19:11.168 --> 00:19:14.307 But you bring with you 407 00:19:14.307 --> 00:19:17.548 a lot of bittersweet feelings, 408 00:19:17.548 --> 00:19:21.021 and you try not to convey that onto your new family. 409 00:19:21.021 --> 00:19:22.558 But that's part of your makeup. 410 00:19:22.658 --> 00:19:25.731 I don't believe that which does not kill you makes you stronger. 411 00:19:25.731 --> 00:19:28.870 Usually, that which doesn't kill you kills you 412 00:19:28.870 --> 00:19:30.473 or almost comes close to it. 413 00:19:30.473 --> 00:19:33.078 And you carry scar tissue inside. 414 00:19:33.078 --> 00:19:34.447 And it kills me. 415 00:19:34.447 --> 00:19:37.788 I mean, I'm a very-- really emotional person. 416 00:19:37.788 --> 00:19:39.859 And I think-- You know, 417 00:19:39.859 --> 00:19:41.596 I think that people 418 00:19:41.596 --> 00:19:44.334 that have had horrible upbringings, 419 00:19:44.334 --> 00:19:47.373 it's a [bleep] terrible burden to lay on anyone. 420 00:19:47.373 --> 00:19:50.681 And parents should just, like-- they don't realize it 421 00:19:50.681 --> 00:19:52.752 because they were treated like crap. 422 00:19:52.752 --> 00:19:56.357 And see, it's a vicious cycle that goes on. 423 00:19:56.357 --> 00:19:57.894 So I can't just blame it on them. 424 00:19:57.894 --> 00:20:01.235 Because when I go back and I look at my mother's upbringing, 425 00:20:01.235 --> 00:20:03.038 you know, orphanages and this and that, 426 00:20:03.038 --> 00:20:04.340 and my father's, 427 00:20:04.340 --> 00:20:06.377 they had-- you know, they were angry. 428 00:20:06.377 --> 00:20:09.519 They just thought, "That's the way I'm gonna pass it on. 429 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:12.490 You're not gonna be happy if I'm not happy." 430 00:20:12.490 --> 00:20:14.628 Your dad was angry a lot, too. 431 00:20:15.196 --> 00:20:18.135 Yeah, my dad was angry. 432 00:20:18.135 --> 00:20:20.439 And, you know, 433 00:20:20.439 --> 00:20:24.080 everyone after the Second World War 434 00:20:24.080 --> 00:20:25.349 over there was angry. 435 00:20:25.349 --> 00:20:27.486 They lost the war. 436 00:20:27.486 --> 00:20:31.227 You know, the ass was handed to them by the Americans. 437 00:20:33.633 --> 00:20:37.541 So my father came back from the war 438 00:20:37.541 --> 00:20:42.250 with wounds, broken back, malaria, 439 00:20:42.250 --> 00:20:44.388 shrapnel in his legs and stuff like that. 440 00:20:44.388 --> 00:20:47.259 So he went through a lot of pain afterwards. 441 00:20:48.797 --> 00:20:52.871 So because of the drinking, there was violence at home. 442 00:20:52.871 --> 00:20:56.411 So he would come home and smack us around sometimes, 443 00:20:56.411 --> 00:20:59.685 sometimes for reasons and sometimes for no reasons. 444 00:20:59.685 --> 00:21:03.125 And he would show brutality sometimes to my mother. 445 00:21:03.125 --> 00:21:05.196 And the reason why 446 00:21:05.196 --> 00:21:08.335 I never kind of think back 447 00:21:08.335 --> 00:21:11.108 in a negative way is, 448 00:21:11.108 --> 00:21:12.978 unlike Sly, I don't. 449 00:21:12.978 --> 00:21:16.085 I just don't have it in me to look at my father and say, 450 00:21:16.085 --> 00:21:19.290 "You son of a bitch, why did you do that?" Or anything like that. 451 00:21:19.290 --> 00:21:20.761 I felt kind of like-- 452 00:21:20.761 --> 00:21:24.702 I don't really know the pain he had and why he drank 453 00:21:24.702 --> 00:21:27.473 and all the stuff that was in him and all that stuff. 454 00:21:27.473 --> 00:21:29.545 And on top of it, I said to myself, 455 00:21:29.545 --> 00:21:32.618 "If I would have grown up 456 00:21:32.618 --> 00:21:35.623 like some people do with all the love in the world, 457 00:21:35.623 --> 00:21:38.328 I would have never left home." 458 00:21:38.663 --> 00:21:40.600 I would have stayed in Austria. 459 00:21:40.600 --> 00:21:43.438 It's not the kind of life that would've made me happy. 460 00:21:43.438 --> 00:21:46.345 I always felt kind of I was a citizen of the world, 461 00:21:46.345 --> 00:21:47.882 not a citizen of Austria. 462 00:21:47.882 --> 00:21:50.386 But you don't think you would've done that anyway? 463 00:21:50.386 --> 00:21:51.488 - No. - Oh. 464 00:21:51.488 --> 00:21:54.394 I think that what drove me was 465 00:21:54.394 --> 00:21:58.202 I had such a need to create my own world. 466 00:21:58.202 --> 00:22:01.040 I had to get out of that misery at home. 467 00:22:01.040 --> 00:22:03.646 And you're almost turning the misery into a blessing. 468 00:22:03.646 --> 00:22:06.218 Yeah, so it was a blessing in a way, 469 00:22:06.218 --> 00:22:08.355 because, you know, so again, 470 00:22:08.355 --> 00:22:10.226 I disagree with Sly because 471 00:22:10.226 --> 00:22:13.198 my brother, 472 00:22:13.198 --> 00:22:15.937 Meinhard, he died. 473 00:22:17.339 --> 00:22:20.412 He died because his reaction was 474 00:22:20.412 --> 00:22:22.417 to become an alcoholic himself. 475 00:22:22.417 --> 00:22:23.787 One day driving with a car 476 00:22:23.787 --> 00:22:27.962 and then hitting a telegraph post, you know, 477 00:22:27.962 --> 00:22:29.398 one of those big things, 478 00:22:29.398 --> 00:22:31.802 and just smashed into it and got killed. 479 00:22:31.802 --> 00:22:35.275 So-- But that was because of that upbringing. 480 00:22:35.275 --> 00:22:36.946 And this is why I do believe in 481 00:22:36.946 --> 00:22:39.250 "What does not kill you make you stronger," 482 00:22:39.250 --> 00:22:41.021 because it killed my brother. 483 00:22:41.623 --> 00:22:44.194 Mm-hmm. - But it made me stronger. 484 00:22:44.194 --> 00:22:46.566 You and I had no choice. 485 00:22:46.566 --> 00:22:48.268 We were gonna do something. 486 00:22:51.407 --> 00:22:53.179 You escaped into bodybuilding, 487 00:22:53.179 --> 00:22:54.548 I escaped into theatrics, 488 00:22:54.548 --> 00:22:56.786 because I wasn't too happy with reality. 489 00:22:56.786 --> 00:23:00.493 So I said, "This is my world because I don't like this one." 490 00:23:00.493 --> 00:23:03.199 So I think that we were gonna do it no matter what. 491 00:23:03.199 --> 00:23:04.568 It just would've been nice 492 00:23:04.568 --> 00:23:06.338 with a little bit more encouragement, that's all. 493 00:23:06.338 --> 00:23:08.441 And the Oscar goes to... 494 00:23:10.145 --> 00:23:11.849 Robert Downey Jr. 495 00:23:11.849 --> 00:23:15.423 When Robert Downey Jr. at the Oscars 496 00:23:15.423 --> 00:23:18.094 said when he received his Oscar... 497 00:23:18.094 --> 00:23:21.769 - I'd like to thank my terrible childhood. 498 00:23:21.769 --> 00:23:23.940 I immediately could relate to that. 499 00:23:23.940 --> 00:23:26.579 Yeah, absolutely. - Because he went through trouble and pain. 500 00:23:26.579 --> 00:23:29.283 I don't know exactly the story, but to him-- 501 00:23:29.283 --> 00:23:32.022 for him to thank his [bleep] upbringing 502 00:23:32.022 --> 00:23:34.996 means that that motivated him and got him going 503 00:23:34.996 --> 00:23:39.037 into a different direction rather than staying in the [bleep]. 504 00:23:43.879 --> 00:23:46.484 I know you supported Arnold when he ran for governor. 505 00:23:46.484 --> 00:23:48.723 - I did. What I'm wondering is, 506 00:23:48.723 --> 00:23:51.428 did you do it so you could get him out of the movie business? 507 00:23:51.428 --> 00:23:53.900 Yes, actually. 508 00:23:53.900 --> 00:23:58.008 - You read through me, did you? 509 00:23:58.008 --> 00:23:59.911 Oh, my God. 510 00:24:14.909 --> 00:24:17.948 You both have kids who grew up with a lot of privilege. 511 00:24:17.948 --> 00:24:20.385 - Yeah, yeah. Yeah. - That you didn't have. 512 00:24:20.385 --> 00:24:21.889 So how did you guys raise kids 513 00:24:21.889 --> 00:24:24.561 when they can't see what you saw? 514 00:24:24.561 --> 00:24:26.097 - Right. - Other than the fact that 515 00:24:26.097 --> 00:24:30.105 you're these incredibly famous, wealthy two guys 516 00:24:30.105 --> 00:24:33.546 and they're looking at this-- you know, in this mansion. 517 00:24:33.546 --> 00:24:35.984 How do you raise kids with those values? 518 00:24:35.984 --> 00:24:37.788 I'll tell you, I've always said that 519 00:24:37.788 --> 00:24:39.825 everyone's father is tougher than them. 520 00:24:39.825 --> 00:24:42.865 You know, it's just their life was tougher, it was harder. 521 00:24:42.865 --> 00:24:44.935 And then their grandfather. I mean, think about-- 522 00:24:44.935 --> 00:24:48.510 Yeah, the difference between you two and your parents is-- 523 00:24:48.510 --> 00:24:50.379 Exactly. Is world-- 524 00:24:50.379 --> 00:24:51.815 I mean, it's worlds apart. 525 00:24:51.815 --> 00:24:54.421 Well, the difference between us and our children, 526 00:24:54.421 --> 00:24:56.257 we really had to grovel. 527 00:24:56.257 --> 00:24:57.794 And it was tougher back then. 528 00:24:57.794 --> 00:24:59.765 Today, it's a whole different world. 529 00:24:59.765 --> 00:25:01.569 They're presented with so much. 530 00:25:01.569 --> 00:25:03.639 Not just rich people, even poor kids. 531 00:25:03.639 --> 00:25:06.044 And I mean, there's so much technology, and that-- 532 00:25:06.044 --> 00:25:10.620 that I think it's really put a damper on people's inspiration 533 00:25:10.620 --> 00:25:13.760 and this ability to go out and explore for themselves. 534 00:25:13.760 --> 00:25:16.464 It comes right to you on a phone, all this stuff. 535 00:25:16.464 --> 00:25:19.772 Who is giving you advice on what to wear on Golden Globe night? 536 00:25:19.772 --> 00:25:21.509 Definitely not him. 537 00:25:23.546 --> 00:25:25.851 - Definitely not him. - No, he's gotten better. 538 00:25:25.851 --> 00:25:27.588 I get no respect, as you can tell, okay. 539 00:25:27.588 --> 00:25:29.323 I try to teach my kids, 540 00:25:29.323 --> 00:25:31.562 and maybe I think he does too, 541 00:25:31.562 --> 00:25:35.302 is really understand that you are privileged. 542 00:25:37.774 --> 00:25:39.679 And I just want you to be nice. 543 00:25:39.679 --> 00:25:42.283 I want you to be empathetic to people. 544 00:25:42.283 --> 00:25:43.820 I want you to be polite 545 00:25:43.820 --> 00:25:47.460 and understand that you were given this gift. 546 00:25:47.460 --> 00:25:48.896 It just didn't come out of the ground. 547 00:25:48.896 --> 00:25:50.600 When you see a guy working there, 548 00:25:50.600 --> 00:25:53.472 pushing a broom thing, working on a roof, 549 00:25:53.472 --> 00:25:54.941 he doesn't wanna do that. 550 00:25:54.941 --> 00:25:57.313 He wasn't born to say, "I can't wait to go 551 00:25:57.313 --> 00:25:59.150 tar a roof in the summer." 552 00:25:59.150 --> 00:26:02.123 So be empathetic to people that don't have what you have. 553 00:26:02.123 --> 00:26:04.761 And my girls have been just fantastic. 554 00:26:04.761 --> 00:26:08.335 And they've also-- they've picked up our habits, 555 00:26:08.335 --> 00:26:09.538 and they are industrious. 556 00:26:09.538 --> 00:26:11.608 They-- they imitate. 557 00:26:11.608 --> 00:26:13.713 My wife is incredibly industrious, 558 00:26:13.713 --> 00:26:16.519 so my daughters have carried on that tradition. 559 00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:18.756 Our kids would not... 560 00:26:18.756 --> 00:26:22.329 kind of create that same kind of hunger... 561 00:26:23.666 --> 00:26:26.806 and that desire and that fire in the belly 562 00:26:26.806 --> 00:26:29.644 that we had because of our upbringing. 563 00:26:29.644 --> 00:26:32.884 - So that only comes with that upbringing. Yeah. 564 00:26:32.884 --> 00:26:35.055 You know, your urge to move away, 565 00:26:35.055 --> 00:26:37.126 to go and explore and to get out of there 566 00:26:37.126 --> 00:26:39.497 because you get the beating all the time there. 567 00:26:39.497 --> 00:26:41.101 So that hunger, I think, 568 00:26:41.101 --> 00:26:43.404 would not be the case with our kids. 569 00:26:43.404 --> 00:26:45.075 - No. - But... 570 00:26:45.075 --> 00:26:47.714 that does not mean that you cannot bring them up 571 00:26:47.714 --> 00:26:48.883 to be successful. 572 00:26:52.456 --> 00:26:54.895 I was very lucky that I had a wife 573 00:26:54.895 --> 00:26:57.333 that was really good in raising the kids. 574 00:26:57.333 --> 00:26:58.903 Maria was excellent in that. 575 00:26:58.903 --> 00:27:03.579 And so I was gone twice a year for three months, 576 00:27:03.579 --> 00:27:06.417 sometimes six months on a movie set. 577 00:27:08.923 --> 00:27:11.662 So, of course, she ended up 80% of the time, 578 00:27:11.662 --> 00:27:14.166 to make up a number, raising the kids. 579 00:27:14.166 --> 00:27:16.839 And she did an extraordinary job with the education, 580 00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:19.076 with the moral codes and with all of those kind of things. 581 00:27:19.076 --> 00:27:21.080 And my kids all had to wash their own clothes. 582 00:27:21.080 --> 00:27:23.151 They all had to wash their own bedwear. 583 00:27:23.151 --> 00:27:25.924 And every so often when I saw them cheating 584 00:27:25.924 --> 00:27:27.895 and someone else did it, 585 00:27:27.895 --> 00:27:31.067 I grabbed their mattresses 586 00:27:31.067 --> 00:27:35.242 and I threw it off the balcony of the bedroom. 587 00:27:35.242 --> 00:27:38.015 And sometimes into the-- sometimes, you know-- 588 00:27:38.015 --> 00:27:40.453 - Now we're getting somewhere. - Then the TV. 589 00:27:40.453 --> 00:27:44.794 But then they have to drag it up again and they have to make the bed again 590 00:27:44.794 --> 00:27:48.035 because I detected they didn't make the bed. It was too nicely made. 591 00:27:48.035 --> 00:27:51.676 I just want to compliment you for a second and just say this: 592 00:27:51.676 --> 00:27:54.948 one of the things that I learned over the years 593 00:27:54.948 --> 00:27:58.087 of what great of a family man Sly is 594 00:27:58.087 --> 00:27:59.959 and how he deals with his daughters 595 00:27:59.959 --> 00:28:01.828 and with his family and the whole thing like this. 596 00:28:01.828 --> 00:28:04.901 You know, when you go up to visit someone at their house 597 00:28:04.901 --> 00:28:08.108 and you go to parties or do dinner or something like that, 598 00:28:08.108 --> 00:28:10.847 you see the dynamics and what's going on there. 599 00:28:10.847 --> 00:28:13.686 And I watch his reality TV show and all this stuff. 600 00:28:13.686 --> 00:28:17.459 Hey! Come here, little-- [bleep]. 601 00:28:18.930 --> 00:28:21.001 And it is just really-- He's on it, 602 00:28:21.001 --> 00:28:24.608 and he's supportive, and he's really terrific because of that. 603 00:28:24.608 --> 00:28:26.477 And he's learned from what his father did 604 00:28:26.477 --> 00:28:27.614 that he doesn't want to do. 605 00:28:27.614 --> 00:28:28.849 - No. - And does the opposite. 606 00:28:28.849 --> 00:28:31.487 So I-- I think it is really terrific. 607 00:28:36.431 --> 00:28:40.239 I'm going to run for governor of the state of California. 608 00:28:41.307 --> 00:28:43.177 I've always wanted to ask you this. 609 00:28:43.177 --> 00:28:45.583 I know you supported Arnold when he ran for governor. 610 00:28:45.583 --> 00:28:47.487 - I did. - What I'm wondering is, 611 00:28:47.487 --> 00:28:50.358 did you do it so you could get him out of the movie business? 612 00:28:53.031 --> 00:28:55.770 - Yes, actually. 613 00:28:55.770 --> 00:28:57.440 You read through me, did you? 614 00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:00.947 Oh, my God. I thought it was so insane, what he did. 615 00:29:00.947 --> 00:29:03.117 I said, "I gotta-- I gotta see this." 616 00:29:05.021 --> 00:29:06.892 And he pulled it off. Can you believe it? 617 00:29:06.892 --> 00:29:08.796 It's just-- it's-- it's who he is. 618 00:29:08.796 --> 00:29:10.667 - Did you ever have a plan B? - No. 619 00:29:10.667 --> 00:29:11.969 - As a matter of fact... - There you go. 620 00:29:11.969 --> 00:29:13.539 ...in my book, Be Useful, I talk about, 621 00:29:13.539 --> 00:29:15.943 "Don't have a plan B, there's no such thing as a plan B," 622 00:29:15.943 --> 00:29:18.583 because it's kind of like saying, 623 00:29:18.583 --> 00:29:19.751 "I want a safety net." 624 00:29:19.852 --> 00:29:21.755 I'm not the safety net kind of a guy. 625 00:29:21.755 --> 00:29:24.794 It's you yourself that is doubting you, 626 00:29:24.794 --> 00:29:26.297 and that's the most dangerous one. 627 00:29:26.297 --> 00:29:28.736 Not that someone out there is doubting you, 628 00:29:28.736 --> 00:29:30.171 but that you are doubting you. 629 00:29:30.171 --> 00:29:31.975 - Now you're fighting yourself. Right. 630 00:29:31.975 --> 00:29:33.746 And that is an absolute no-no. 631 00:29:33.746 --> 00:29:36.283 This is a formula for disaster. 632 00:29:38.154 --> 00:29:39.792 In 1987, 633 00:29:39.792 --> 00:29:42.162 you went to a joint 634 00:29:42.162 --> 00:29:43.933 that I used to have breakfast at, 635 00:29:43.933 --> 00:29:46.939 Patrick's Roadhouse in Pacific Palisades. 636 00:29:46.939 --> 00:29:49.845 And you had a secret breakfast meeting 637 00:29:49.845 --> 00:29:52.115 talking about Rambo vs. Predator. 638 00:29:52.115 --> 00:29:54.420 - Why didn't that happen? - I think-- 639 00:29:54.420 --> 00:29:57.392 Because we've had this happen a couple of times. 640 00:29:57.392 --> 00:30:00.498 There was a John Hughes comedy, wasn't it, we were talking about? 641 00:30:00.498 --> 00:30:05.208 Battling neighbors. Because we couldn't agree on that. 642 00:30:05.208 --> 00:30:07.246 So at that time, it was kind of still strange. 643 00:30:07.246 --> 00:30:09.283 Duke and Fluffy. Or something like that. 644 00:30:09.283 --> 00:30:13.124 - Yeah, it was like that. - Duke and Fluffy? Who was Fluffy? 645 00:30:13.124 --> 00:30:15.963 I was supposed to be a dog and he's supposed to be a cat. 646 00:30:15.963 --> 00:30:18.135 And we're supposed to-- In the daytime, 647 00:30:18.135 --> 00:30:21.174 we are regular neighbors that hate each other. 648 00:30:21.174 --> 00:30:22.944 And at night, we are animals, you know, 649 00:30:22.944 --> 00:30:24.414 and then we attack each other and all that. 650 00:30:24.414 --> 00:30:26.284 - I kind of like that. - It was a funny idea. 651 00:30:26.284 --> 00:30:29.456 But he went off doing a movie. So it never really happened. 652 00:30:33.064 --> 00:30:35.669 What do you admire most about him? 653 00:30:35.669 --> 00:30:38.542 His dedication and his passion. 654 00:30:39.009 --> 00:30:41.849 I wish I could be as passionate about things as he is. 655 00:30:41.849 --> 00:30:43.284 - He's so passionate. - Is that true? 656 00:30:43.284 --> 00:30:45.723 - Really? - Absolutely. Are you kidding me? 657 00:30:45.723 --> 00:30:48.395 When you talk about scripts 658 00:30:48.395 --> 00:30:51.668 or when you talk about your characters that you play in movies, 659 00:30:51.668 --> 00:30:53.271 or when you talk about movies, 660 00:30:53.271 --> 00:30:57.714 it's-- there's just so much passion there. 661 00:30:57.714 --> 00:30:59.984 I think it's really unbelievable. 662 00:30:59.984 --> 00:31:02.390 And it must come from somewhere 663 00:31:02.390 --> 00:31:05.696 because, you know, he's a very emotional guy, 664 00:31:05.696 --> 00:31:06.998 which I'm not. 665 00:31:06.998 --> 00:31:09.103 I'm emotional, but not like him. 666 00:31:09.103 --> 00:31:11.006 You're very different, the two of you. 667 00:31:11.006 --> 00:31:13.010 Very, very different in that way. 668 00:31:13.010 --> 00:31:15.448 You can tell alone just the way we are dressed, right? 669 00:31:15.448 --> 00:31:18.287 - I mean, he has, of course-- - I wasn't gonna dress like this. 670 00:31:18.287 --> 00:31:21.227 This jacket, I guarantee you, cost $10,000 671 00:31:21.227 --> 00:31:24.000 from David August or something like that. 672 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:25.202 Who knows who made it? 673 00:31:25.202 --> 00:31:28.075 Mine is like a-- a second... 674 00:31:28.075 --> 00:31:29.844 That'll come back someday, don't worry. 675 00:31:29.844 --> 00:31:31.949 - ...leather jacket. 676 00:31:31.949 --> 00:31:33.318 I have old cowboy boots on 677 00:31:33.318 --> 00:31:35.890 and he-- Look at this, the alligator loafers. 678 00:31:40.566 --> 00:31:43.972 Everyone would agree if there is a Mount Rushmore 679 00:31:43.972 --> 00:31:47.379 of action heroes, you have two of the four spots. 680 00:31:50.285 --> 00:31:52.355 I think everybody agrees with that. 681 00:31:52.355 --> 00:31:55.664 - Who are the other two? - Oh, wow. 682 00:31:55.664 --> 00:31:57.299 That's a tough one. 683 00:32:10.025 --> 00:32:12.530 What do you admire about him most? 684 00:32:13.264 --> 00:32:16.404 I'm not even finished yet with what I admire about him. 685 00:32:17.239 --> 00:32:19.878 I always have painted my whole life, right? 686 00:32:19.878 --> 00:32:21.749 For my children. 687 00:32:21.749 --> 00:32:23.218 And so I painted in school, 688 00:32:23.218 --> 00:32:26.057 you know, did little paintings like that. 689 00:32:26.057 --> 00:32:28.562 Then I go and see his art 690 00:32:28.562 --> 00:32:29.931 and his paintings. 691 00:32:33.137 --> 00:32:36.846 I tell you, it is absolutely spectacular. 692 00:32:36.846 --> 00:32:38.148 Oh, stop. 693 00:32:38.148 --> 00:32:39.349 I do everything little. 694 00:32:39.349 --> 00:32:41.622 Like this, I make fine lines, 695 00:32:41.622 --> 00:32:45.563 and then make everything very accurate and all this, and he says, "No, no, no." 696 00:32:45.563 --> 00:32:48.636 He says, "Arnold, you got to be more daring. Got to open up a little bit." 697 00:32:48.636 --> 00:32:51.340 So I go up to his house, and he has this big paintbrush 698 00:32:51.340 --> 00:32:53.444 with 15 kind of different colors, 699 00:32:53.444 --> 00:32:58.154 goes in there like this, and he starts smacking it down on the canvas. 700 00:32:58.154 --> 00:32:59.892 And I said to myself, 701 00:32:59.892 --> 00:33:01.394 "Can you believe the balls this guy has? 702 00:33:01.394 --> 00:33:05.570 He just makes a commitment with all of this paint. 703 00:33:05.570 --> 00:33:08.274 And then he goes, and all of a sudden, in no time, 704 00:33:08.274 --> 00:33:10.513 he creates this really colorful, 705 00:33:10.513 --> 00:33:13.451 unbelievable kind of modern type of a painting and stuff like that." 706 00:33:13.451 --> 00:33:18.462 His big paintings go sometimes for several hundred thousand dollars. 707 00:33:22.269 --> 00:33:24.173 What I admire most about him 708 00:33:24.173 --> 00:33:27.246 is he's rock steady. 709 00:33:27.246 --> 00:33:29.316 He's like a season that doesn't change. 710 00:33:29.316 --> 00:33:32.088 He's like bang on, bang on. 711 00:33:32.088 --> 00:33:34.994 Very organized, very calculated, very thoughtful. 712 00:33:34.994 --> 00:33:37.934 I'm not. And he's right, I'm very emotional. 713 00:33:37.934 --> 00:33:40.205 And I tend to be swayed. 714 00:33:40.205 --> 00:33:43.411 And things can upset logic quite often. 715 00:33:43.411 --> 00:33:45.349 And that's when you make mistakes, 716 00:33:45.349 --> 00:33:48.088 when your brain overwhelms your heart, 717 00:33:48.088 --> 00:33:50.826 or your heart overwhelms your brain, I should say. 718 00:33:50.826 --> 00:33:53.131 And that doesn't-- It-- He's-- 719 00:33:53.131 --> 00:33:55.001 I don't know what he's thinking. Do you know what I mean? 720 00:33:55.001 --> 00:33:59.210 He's like a chess player. You don't know what's going on, but he gets it done. 721 00:33:59.210 --> 00:34:01.615 And he really does have a big heart, he does. 722 00:34:01.615 --> 00:34:04.721 I mean, you wouldn't think it, because we're action guys, 723 00:34:04.721 --> 00:34:07.594 but we're more emotional than a lot of more dramatic actors. 724 00:34:07.594 --> 00:34:12.469 Trust me, do not think for a second we're not hypersensitive, 725 00:34:12.469 --> 00:34:15.442 especially coming from the way where we came from. 726 00:34:15.442 --> 00:34:18.348 We're very-- Especially criticism. 727 00:34:18.348 --> 00:34:21.153 It's very profound on us. Very profound. 728 00:34:21.153 --> 00:34:24.994 So when you get bad reviews, they hurt. 729 00:34:24.994 --> 00:34:27.365 Oh, yeah, don't just criticize. 730 00:34:27.365 --> 00:34:31.341 "Stallone's career is more mysterious than crib death." 731 00:34:31.341 --> 00:34:33.812 I mean, that's how bad it gets. I mean, brutal. 732 00:34:33.812 --> 00:34:38.956 Well, you got one where they said you felt you got the worst review since Hitler. 733 00:34:38.956 --> 00:34:40.859 - Here you go. - You said that. 734 00:34:40.859 --> 00:34:42.228 Yeah, it's true. 735 00:34:42.228 --> 00:34:43.599 - Did I really? - Yeah, you did. 736 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.270 Oh, my God, oh, my God, but it's true. 737 00:34:46.270 --> 00:34:48.542 I remember when we did The Villain 738 00:34:48.542 --> 00:34:50.847 with Kirk Douglas, Ann-Margret, they said to me, 739 00:34:50.847 --> 00:34:54.621 the horse had better facial expressions than I had, I mean, what the hell? 740 00:34:54.621 --> 00:34:58.528 - So, I pay no attention to this stuff. 741 00:35:00.399 --> 00:35:04.073 There are a lot of differences with you guys, 742 00:35:04.073 --> 00:35:06.043 what we've talked about. 743 00:35:06.043 --> 00:35:08.248 The big similarity that I see 744 00:35:08.248 --> 00:35:12.455 is both of you have put your bodies through hell. 745 00:35:13.859 --> 00:35:18.501 The image that I always think of is the two of you on gurneys 746 00:35:18.501 --> 00:35:21.107 getting ready for shoulder surgery at the same time. 747 00:35:21.107 --> 00:35:22.476 That was by accident. 748 00:35:22.476 --> 00:35:26.585 But was this worth it to put your body-- 749 00:35:26.585 --> 00:35:29.156 Because I know that it causes pain. 750 00:35:29.156 --> 00:35:31.193 You've been in the hospital a bunch. 751 00:35:31.193 --> 00:35:33.331 You've had all sorts of operations. 752 00:35:33.331 --> 00:35:35.435 You've had, what, seven back operations? 753 00:35:35.435 --> 00:35:37.674 Three neck fusion, shoulders, every knee. 754 00:35:37.674 --> 00:35:41.047 Yeah, I had endless amount of heart surgeries. 755 00:35:41.047 --> 00:35:42.182 You had back surgery. 756 00:35:42.182 --> 00:35:43.752 I mean, we have our surgeries. 757 00:35:43.752 --> 00:35:46.123 I have shoulder surgeries, this shoulder, this shoulder. 758 00:35:46.123 --> 00:35:50.298 You know, the knees, both knees, hip replacement and all that kind of stuff. 759 00:35:50.298 --> 00:35:52.169 I got a lot of injuries in this movie. 760 00:35:52.169 --> 00:35:54.206 Believe me, I was attacked by wolves. 761 00:35:54.206 --> 00:35:56.377 I was attacked by vulture. 762 00:35:56.377 --> 00:35:59.316 Do you ever wake up, and just say, "Why did I do this?" 763 00:35:59.316 --> 00:36:01.788 I do, I got-- The pleasure-- 764 00:36:01.788 --> 00:36:04.560 As Tony Robbins, "the pleasure was not worth the pain." 765 00:36:04.560 --> 00:36:07.299 I liked doing some of it, but there was a point 766 00:36:07.299 --> 00:36:10.005 when I should've slowed it down and used a pro. 767 00:36:10.005 --> 00:36:13.445 Apollo unloading a left, really trying to get him up against the ropes. 768 00:36:13.445 --> 00:36:15.582 - He's-- Oh! Rocky's things really 769 00:36:15.582 --> 00:36:18.722 wiped me out from snapping the head all the time. 770 00:36:18.722 --> 00:36:22.263 Hard left, again, a hard right. 771 00:36:22.263 --> 00:36:24.333 Dolph Lundgren, you told him to hit you, 772 00:36:24.333 --> 00:36:26.838 and you ended up in the hospital for nine days. 773 00:36:29.778 --> 00:36:31.581 He almost killed me. Yeah. 774 00:36:31.581 --> 00:36:34.521 That was a freakish accident, just freakish. 775 00:36:34.521 --> 00:36:36.692 - But you asked for it. - I did ask for it. 776 00:36:36.692 --> 00:36:39.196 But I didn't think he'd hit so hard. 777 00:36:39.196 --> 00:36:41.802 You know, [bleep]. That kind of a thing. 778 00:36:41.802 --> 00:36:45.576 Like, yeah, I think I talk to my wife every day about it. 779 00:36:45.576 --> 00:36:48.314 It's absolutely not worth it in the sense 780 00:36:48.314 --> 00:36:50.586 that you don't know when to quit. 781 00:36:50.586 --> 00:36:53.024 I should have stopped right before the first Expendables. 782 00:36:53.024 --> 00:36:54.961 That's what did me in. 783 00:36:56.230 --> 00:36:59.638 I never was whole from that point on. 784 00:36:59.638 --> 00:37:01.440 So it's always easy to go and say, 785 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:04.280 "Okay, now I'm 76 years old or 77, 786 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.852 and I should have not done this, done that, 787 00:37:06.852 --> 00:37:09.958 because that's what hurt me," what does it matter? 788 00:37:09.958 --> 00:37:14.466 The bottom line is, we had a great time what we did, we love to take risks. 789 00:37:14.466 --> 00:37:17.238 You couldn't have stunt doubles, because you were so big, 790 00:37:17.238 --> 00:37:18.975 so you did a lot of your own stuff. 791 00:37:18.975 --> 00:37:21.347 Yeah, yeah, I did. There was no choice, really, 792 00:37:21.347 --> 00:37:25.255 because when I was in Spain, there was no stunt guy around that looked like me-- 793 00:37:25.255 --> 00:37:27.025 But it's all flipped now, 794 00:37:27.025 --> 00:37:29.497 that you have stunt guys 795 00:37:29.497 --> 00:37:31.535 who are big like you were. 796 00:37:31.535 --> 00:37:34.440 But now the action heroes 797 00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:36.545 - are small. - Are small, I know, I know. 798 00:37:36.545 --> 00:37:40.184 I mean, Timothée Chalamet, Mark Ruffalo, 799 00:37:40.184 --> 00:37:42.557 - Austin Butler. I know. 800 00:37:43.859 --> 00:37:48.334 Everyone would agree if there is a Mount Rushmore of action heroes, 801 00:37:48.334 --> 00:37:50.171 you have two of the four spots. 802 00:37:50.171 --> 00:37:52.242 I think everybody agrees with that. 803 00:37:52.242 --> 00:37:54.113 Who are the other two? 804 00:37:54.113 --> 00:37:57.152 Oh, wow. That's a tough one. 805 00:37:57.152 --> 00:38:01.460 I would put Clint on it. 806 00:38:01.460 --> 00:38:04.934 Clint Eastwood was always my hero, 807 00:38:04.934 --> 00:38:06.538 my inspiration. 808 00:38:06.538 --> 00:38:09.611 He was one of those guys just like Reg Park in bodybuilding 809 00:38:09.611 --> 00:38:12.416 that spent time with me and talked to me. 810 00:38:12.416 --> 00:38:14.386 The fourth guy, you have to come up with. 811 00:38:14.386 --> 00:38:15.623 I already came up with one. 812 00:38:15.623 --> 00:38:17.860 I think it goes to Bruce. 813 00:38:19.697 --> 00:38:22.704 He's a very multifaceted guy. 814 00:38:22.704 --> 00:38:26.110 He can do drama and comedy, whatever, and all the same. 815 00:38:26.110 --> 00:38:31.888 But he was in quite a few seminal action films that really-- 816 00:38:31.888 --> 00:38:35.662 Like, Die Hard is a classic, and those things don't go away. 817 00:38:35.662 --> 00:38:37.466 I'm a friend of Sarah Connor. 818 00:38:37.466 --> 00:38:40.004 Can't see her. She's making a statement. 819 00:38:40.004 --> 00:38:41.674 I'll be back. 820 00:38:41.674 --> 00:38:43.678 What's Arnold's legacy? 821 00:38:44.312 --> 00:38:47.018 Well, being the all-time triple threat. 822 00:38:47.018 --> 00:38:50.759 He came, he saw, he conquered. That's it, really simple. 823 00:38:50.759 --> 00:38:52.997 It's not original, but it's true. 824 00:38:52.997 --> 00:38:54.567 What's his legacy? 825 00:38:54.567 --> 00:38:58.609 Someone that did some of the most extraordinary movies. 826 00:38:58.609 --> 00:39:02.082 Nothing is over! Nothing! 827 00:39:02.082 --> 00:39:03.418 You just don't turn it off! 828 00:39:03.418 --> 00:39:06.223 And inspired endless amount of people 829 00:39:06.223 --> 00:39:07.560 to get in the movie business, 830 00:39:07.560 --> 00:39:11.066 and to be writers and directors and actors. 831 00:39:11.066 --> 00:39:12.235 Yeah. 832 00:39:17.780 --> 00:39:20.318 His shirt maker makes a shirt 833 00:39:20.318 --> 00:39:23.358 that has it pulled underneath like diapers, 834 00:39:23.358 --> 00:39:25.195 and then pulled up on the other end. 835 00:39:38.288 --> 00:39:39.890 I have to tell you guys... 836 00:39:41.695 --> 00:39:43.932 you kind of changed my life. 837 00:39:45.435 --> 00:39:48.509 Because both of you... 838 00:39:48.509 --> 00:39:52.382 are so inspirational when it comes to risk-taking. 839 00:39:52.382 --> 00:39:55.021 And you-- 840 00:39:55.789 --> 00:39:58.995 Just the idea that you so believed in what you were doing 841 00:39:58.995 --> 00:40:03.404 that you were willing not to sell Rocky if it wasn't on your terms, 842 00:40:03.404 --> 00:40:05.274 and you stuck by that. 843 00:40:05.274 --> 00:40:08.447 And just all the things you did 844 00:40:08.447 --> 00:40:10.552 that seemed so improbable, 845 00:40:10.552 --> 00:40:12.891 that you came to the United States with 20 bucks. 846 00:40:12.891 --> 00:40:16.965 And I knew about this early on in my career, 847 00:40:16.965 --> 00:40:20.205 and it inspired me, and it made me work harder, 848 00:40:20.205 --> 00:40:21.808 and it made me determined. 849 00:40:21.808 --> 00:40:25.215 And this is such an honor. And I mean that. 850 00:40:25.215 --> 00:40:26.717 And I thank you so much 851 00:40:26.717 --> 00:40:30.759 for sitting with me and talking, it means the world to me. 852 00:40:30.759 --> 00:40:33.163 - Well, thank you. That's very nice. - Thank you. 853 00:40:37.740 --> 00:40:41.213 I bet any money Harvey is not ready for this interview. 854 00:40:41.213 --> 00:40:43.251 - He's not ready? - No. No. 855 00:40:43.251 --> 00:40:44.554 . - I guarantee you. 856 00:40:44.554 --> 00:40:46.524 I'm tired of working with amateurs. 857 00:40:47.793 --> 00:40:50.633 You guys did a good job. - Oh, thank you. 858 00:40:50.633 --> 00:40:53.470 We're gonna exchange pacemakers. It'll be great. 859 00:40:57.747 --> 00:41:00.519 Now Arnold and Sly's medical show. 860 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.390 Here we go. Oh, that's a good idea. 861 00:41:03.390 --> 00:41:06.063 - Autopsies. 862 00:41:06.063 --> 00:41:10.037 Is this the other jacket he wanted to put on, Jennifer? 863 00:41:10.037 --> 00:41:13.545 Oh, God. Let me see if it's David August. 864 00:41:13.545 --> 00:41:17.620 He's breaking my balls. 'Cause you feel like dressing like the-- 865 00:41:17.620 --> 00:41:20.358 It is David August. What did I say? 866 00:41:20.358 --> 00:41:21.995 On the show, David August. 867 00:41:21.995 --> 00:41:25.234 Oh, my God, you were right. You even knew his designer. 868 00:41:25.234 --> 00:41:26.705 That's hysterical. 869 00:41:26.705 --> 00:41:29.511 Feel this. Cashmere shirt, cashmere jacket. 870 00:41:29.511 --> 00:41:31.246 No, khullu. Get it right. 871 00:41:31.246 --> 00:41:33.050 Oh, my God, you got that to Sly? 872 00:41:33.050 --> 00:41:36.558 - This is unbelievable. I'm telling you. - It's better than cashmere. 873 00:41:36.558 --> 00:41:38.728 Sly has nicer clothes than me, so... 874 00:41:38.728 --> 00:41:41.534 Yeah, he has definitely nicer clothes than all of us. 875 00:41:41.534 --> 00:41:43.371 Look at this. 876 00:41:43.371 --> 00:41:44.774 So I go to visit his set. 877 00:41:44.774 --> 00:41:46.777 So then he goes, and he says, 878 00:41:46.777 --> 00:41:51.688 "Arnold, I don't like when your shirts are baggy here." 879 00:41:51.688 --> 00:41:53.926 So I said, "What am I gonna do about it?" 880 00:41:53.926 --> 00:41:56.998 He said, "Sometimes when you go like this, it pulls out." 881 00:41:56.998 --> 00:41:59.068 Then he said 882 00:41:59.068 --> 00:42:00.138 "Come with me." 883 00:42:00.138 --> 00:42:03.411 He goes in his dressing room, in his trailer, 884 00:42:03.411 --> 00:42:05.214 and he pulls down his pants. 885 00:42:06.685 --> 00:42:08.688 His shirt has something 886 00:42:08.688 --> 00:42:12.730 that goes underneath his crotch 887 00:42:12.730 --> 00:42:15.268 to keep the shirt pulled down. 888 00:42:15.268 --> 00:42:17.139 Who thinks about this? 889 00:42:17.139 --> 00:42:19.577 When he sat down, that's why you said that. 890 00:42:19.577 --> 00:42:21.748 Who thinks about this? 891 00:42:21.748 --> 00:42:23.552 I just ordered another dozen. 892 00:42:23.552 --> 00:42:25.822 He has-- His shirt maker makes a shirt 893 00:42:25.822 --> 00:42:28.828 that has it pulled underneath. It's like diapers. 894 00:42:28.828 --> 00:42:30.766 And then pulled up on the other end 895 00:42:30.766 --> 00:42:33.103 so the shirt stays down, because God forbid 896 00:42:33.103 --> 00:42:36.511 you're doing a movie and there's a wrinkle in the shirt. 897 00:42:36.511 --> 00:42:38.515 As if that is not natural. 898 00:42:38.515 --> 00:42:40.552 Magic's in the details, pal. 899 00:42:40.552 --> 00:42:42.723 So this is what goes on here. 900 00:42:42.723 --> 00:42:45.094 Unless you wanna hold my tails down here, pal. 901 00:42:45.094 --> 00:42:48.067 Mr. Cashmere. And look at the shoes. 902 00:42:48.067 --> 00:42:51.908 Look at the alligator [bleep], the loafers. 903 00:42:51.908 --> 00:42:55.381 - All right, man. - All right, thank you, guys. 904 00:42:55.381 --> 00:42:56.517 I feel sorry for you. 905 00:42:56.517 --> 00:42:57.754 Goodbye. See you. 906 00:42:57.754 --> 00:42:59.957 That was so great.