1 00:00:01,504 --> 00:00:04,375 [Harvey Levin] Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:04,375 --> 00:00:07,247 were not just rivals in the movie biz, 4 00:00:07,247 --> 00:00:09,319 they were out to get each other. 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 6 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,359 [Sylvester Stallone] I mean, as soon as I saw him, it was like, bang. 7 00:00:13,895 --> 00:00:15,397 Two alphas hitting. 8 00:00:16,934 --> 00:00:18,403 [Levin] At first, 9 00:00:19,171 --> 00:00:22,278 it was all about the venture. 10 00:00:22,278 --> 00:00:24,182 [Arnold Schwarzenegger] Every time I read this is, 11 00:00:24,182 --> 00:00:28,824 "Sly just got the new record number, $10 million." 12 00:00:28,824 --> 00:00:30,895 "Son of a bitch." 13 00:00:30,895 --> 00:00:32,666 [intense music] 14 00:00:32,666 --> 00:00:36,406 [Levin] And then the rivalry just got insane. 15 00:00:36,406 --> 00:00:40,848 We ended up kind of like, "You killed 28 people in the movie. 16 00:00:40,848 --> 00:00:41,951 I killed 32." 17 00:00:41,951 --> 00:00:43,520 "I gotta top that." 18 00:00:45,558 --> 00:00:49,398 [Levin] For the first time, these two icons sit down together 19 00:00:49,398 --> 00:00:52,906 and confess things each did 20 00:00:52,906 --> 00:00:54,676 to torpedo the other. 21 00:00:55,812 --> 00:00:57,749 You talked to my director? 22 00:00:57,749 --> 00:00:59,084 - Yeah. - Oh, my God. 23 00:00:59,619 --> 00:01:03,728 [Levin] Over time, they bonded and became brothers in arms. 24 00:01:03,728 --> 00:01:06,432 I wish I could be as passionate about things as he is. 25 00:01:06,432 --> 00:01:08,269 - Is that true? - Absolutely. 26 00:01:08,269 --> 00:01:09,806 - Really? - Are you kidding me? 27 00:01:11,242 --> 00:01:13,079 What's Arnold's legacy? 28 00:01:13,881 --> 00:01:16,853 He came, he saw, he conquered. 29 00:01:16,853 --> 00:01:21,462 [Levin] Two men who became the biggest action heroes of all time. 30 00:01:21,462 --> 00:01:24,102 He has-- His shirt maker makes a shirt 31 00:01:24,102 --> 00:01:27,007 that has it pulled underneath like diapers. 32 00:01:27,007 --> 00:01:29,445 Magic's in the details, pal. 33 00:01:29,445 --> 00:01:33,353 [Levin] TMZ Presents: Arnold & Sly: 34 00:01:33,353 --> 00:01:36,660 Rivals, Friends, Icons. 35 00:01:36,660 --> 00:01:39,498 [♪] 36 00:01:40,333 --> 00:01:45,177 The way I see this is that both of you... 37 00:01:45,177 --> 00:01:47,447 were kind of improbable movie stars, 38 00:01:47,447 --> 00:01:50,187 and yet you conquered Hollywood. 39 00:01:50,187 --> 00:01:53,493 [reporters clamoring] 40 00:01:54,261 --> 00:01:56,466 You rose to the top of the mountain. 41 00:01:56,466 --> 00:01:59,238 Really, there were only two of you at the top of the mountain. 42 00:01:59,238 --> 00:02:03,046 So why did each of you feel the need 43 00:02:03,046 --> 00:02:04,516 to push the other off the mountain? 44 00:02:04,516 --> 00:02:06,218 I guess for that very reason. 45 00:02:06,218 --> 00:02:08,557 There's not that much room up there, you know. 46 00:02:08,557 --> 00:02:10,427 Everybody wants to be on the point. 47 00:02:10,427 --> 00:02:13,501 I think it's something you're born with. 48 00:02:13,501 --> 00:02:17,108 I would go out for parts I knew I was wrong for, 49 00:02:17,108 --> 00:02:18,443 but I wanted them so bad. 50 00:02:18,443 --> 00:02:20,414 And I would tell the producer, director, I said, 51 00:02:20,414 --> 00:02:22,418 "I know. I'm half the size, 52 00:02:22,418 --> 00:02:25,758 you want this and that, but I'll destroy this guy." 53 00:02:25,758 --> 00:02:30,568 And when he came along, I went, "Okay, finally... 54 00:02:31,704 --> 00:02:34,809 I have something that will really motivate me," 55 00:02:34,809 --> 00:02:38,449 because he is, dare I say, competition or threat, 56 00:02:38,449 --> 00:02:40,655 whatever words you wanna use. 57 00:02:40,655 --> 00:02:42,291 And, I mean, as soon as I saw him, 58 00:02:42,291 --> 00:02:45,163 it was like, bang, two alphas hitting. 59 00:02:45,163 --> 00:02:47,401 Yeah, if we walked into a party, 60 00:02:47,401 --> 00:02:50,340 we'd be, like, staring at each other for a few seconds. 61 00:02:50,340 --> 00:02:53,113 And then, "I got to get that guy." I don't know. 62 00:02:53,113 --> 00:02:55,183 He didn't do anything wrong, but he will. 63 00:02:55,183 --> 00:02:58,390 The one that started this whole thing was me 64 00:02:58,390 --> 00:02:59,660 by opening up my mouth, 65 00:02:59,660 --> 00:03:02,899 saying stupid things, being competitive. 66 00:03:02,899 --> 00:03:05,504 You come around here. You wanna move in here with me? 67 00:03:05,504 --> 00:03:07,275 Come on in! It's a nice house. 68 00:03:07,275 --> 00:03:08,578 Rocky came out, 69 00:03:08,578 --> 00:03:11,316 and I was, like, blown away by his acting... 70 00:03:11,316 --> 00:03:13,286 - Oh, right, right. - ...and by the movie. 71 00:03:13,286 --> 00:03:17,728 And then after that, we were at the Golden Globes. 72 00:03:21,135 --> 00:03:22,673 And we both won. 73 00:03:22,673 --> 00:03:25,745 And so it was plenty of room for everybody. 74 00:03:25,745 --> 00:03:27,648 But that's not the way I understand this. 75 00:03:27,648 --> 00:03:31,388 I thought you, when Rocky won Best Picture... 76 00:03:31,388 --> 00:03:33,393 - Yes. - ...you threw a bowl of flowers at him. 77 00:03:33,393 --> 00:03:36,533 I absolutely did. He was sitting across from me, 78 00:03:36,533 --> 00:03:39,906 and I'm going-- He won Best Newcomer. 79 00:03:39,906 --> 00:03:43,479 No offense, but Rocky was a pretty good debut, 80 00:03:43,479 --> 00:03:46,386 and he's looking very proud of himself. 81 00:03:46,386 --> 00:03:48,323 And I didn't think we were gonna win Best Picture. 82 00:03:48,323 --> 00:03:50,427 - [Deborah Kerr] Rocky. - [audience cheering] 83 00:03:50,427 --> 00:03:52,699 We win, and I lost it. [chuckling] 84 00:03:52,699 --> 00:03:56,405 And then I went and picked up this entire bouquet of flowers 85 00:03:56,405 --> 00:03:58,811 and tossed them straight up in the air, 86 00:03:58,811 --> 00:04:01,482 sort of aiming towards his side of the table. 87 00:04:01,482 --> 00:04:03,253 And it all comes down. 88 00:04:03,253 --> 00:04:05,891 He's just sitting there with the same kind of... 89 00:04:05,891 --> 00:04:07,161 like, "Okay." 90 00:04:07,161 --> 00:04:08,598 He just threw down the gun. 91 00:04:08,598 --> 00:04:10,234 And I kind of think, "Here we go." 92 00:04:10,234 --> 00:04:11,503 You remember that? 93 00:04:11,503 --> 00:04:13,106 [Schwarzenegger] I remember the incident, 94 00:04:13,106 --> 00:04:17,748 but it was not yet kind of like the point where I said, "Okay. 95 00:04:18,818 --> 00:04:21,355 This is now the beginning of a battle." 96 00:04:21,355 --> 00:04:24,328 It just developed then from then on. 97 00:04:24,328 --> 00:04:26,933 Now I had to chase him. 98 00:04:26,933 --> 00:04:29,572 And then he did, you know, Rocky II and then Rocky II, 99 00:04:29,572 --> 00:04:31,276 and then he did all those movies 100 00:04:31,276 --> 00:04:32,879 and it just kept going up and up. 101 00:04:32,879 --> 00:04:36,786 And I made-- My salary was kind of like 10% of his. 102 00:04:36,786 --> 00:04:39,960 You know, when he got now $2 million, I got $200,000. 103 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,565 I think you were overpaid, but don't say anything. 104 00:04:42,565 --> 00:04:45,638 He made $5 million. I got the $500,000. 105 00:04:45,638 --> 00:04:47,942 So it was like, I had to kind of, like, chase behind him. 106 00:04:47,942 --> 00:04:50,681 I said, "This has to stop." And every time I read this is, 107 00:04:50,681 --> 00:04:55,524 "Sly just got the new record number $10 million." 108 00:04:55,524 --> 00:04:57,394 - You remember that? - No actor-- Yeah, yeah. 109 00:04:57,394 --> 00:04:59,666 No actor ever got 10 mill-- 110 00:04:59,666 --> 00:05:02,370 Not even Marlon Brando got $10 million. 111 00:05:02,370 --> 00:05:03,974 And I said... 112 00:05:04,776 --> 00:05:06,445 - [Sly laughing] -"Son of a bitch." 113 00:05:06,445 --> 00:05:08,450 - [laughing] - So I didn't boycott his movies 114 00:05:08,450 --> 00:05:10,921 or anything like this. I loved when he did Rambo, 115 00:05:10,921 --> 00:05:14,629 - I loved when he did Rocky. - This is all news to me, but keep going. 116 00:05:14,629 --> 00:05:16,534 I had to kind of catch up to that, right? 117 00:05:16,534 --> 00:05:19,371 So, this was-- It gave me kind of a motivation, 118 00:05:19,371 --> 00:05:21,042 and this is what the whole thing was about. 119 00:05:21,042 --> 00:05:25,117 It became, then, very, very competitive, the whole thing. 120 00:05:25,117 --> 00:05:27,822 [Levin] I get what you're saying, that there were two of you 121 00:05:27,822 --> 00:05:31,061 and then both far below other people, 122 00:05:31,061 --> 00:05:32,833 but in a way, 123 00:05:32,833 --> 00:05:36,573 were you guys a little bit in different lanes? 124 00:05:36,573 --> 00:05:40,280 Your movies were fantastical. 125 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:43,486 They were almost science fiction-like. 126 00:05:43,486 --> 00:05:45,157 Your clothes. 127 00:05:45,658 --> 00:05:47,862 Give them to me. Now. 128 00:05:47,862 --> 00:05:49,699 [♪] 129 00:05:49,699 --> 00:05:52,572 And you were more grounded in reality. 130 00:05:52,572 --> 00:05:53,975 Why you doing me no favors? 131 00:05:53,975 --> 00:05:55,711 You're embarrassing me in front of everybody. 132 00:05:55,711 --> 00:05:57,949 You make me look bad in front of your sister. 133 00:05:57,949 --> 00:06:00,320 See this cigar? I'll stick it in your ear. 134 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:01,956 Now don't do these things to me. 135 00:06:01,956 --> 00:06:06,700 So did you still see yourselves, like, in the same lane, 136 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:09,472 or wasn't there kind of a separation 137 00:06:09,472 --> 00:06:11,710 in what you were doing, at least at the beginning? 138 00:06:11,710 --> 00:06:13,514 I always saw it as a big time separation. 139 00:06:13,514 --> 00:06:17,153 For example, he was perfect for Terminator. 140 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:21,696 I would never have been chosen for-- 141 00:06:21,696 --> 00:06:23,534 You know, I have crooked mouth, drooping eyes. 142 00:06:23,534 --> 00:06:26,406 If you're building something so technical 143 00:06:26,406 --> 00:06:29,979 and, like, precise, playing a robot, 144 00:06:29,979 --> 00:06:34,154 Arnold has the features, the chisel, the hair, the look. 145 00:06:34,154 --> 00:06:39,298 And so, he was always a different kind of action guy, I think. 146 00:06:39,298 --> 00:06:41,903 He was more of a precise, 147 00:06:41,903 --> 00:06:43,741 you know, kind of a perfectionist. 148 00:06:43,741 --> 00:06:47,548 I was more free-form and more grounded, like you say. 149 00:06:47,548 --> 00:06:49,852 And I had to deal with what I had with, 150 00:06:49,852 --> 00:06:51,524 you know, I didn't have his body. 151 00:06:51,524 --> 00:06:52,859 So I dealt more movements 152 00:06:52,859 --> 00:06:56,065 and being more stealth, more catlike. 153 00:06:56,065 --> 00:06:57,768 [screams] 154 00:06:58,804 --> 00:07:00,173 Don't push it. 155 00:07:00,741 --> 00:07:03,513 Don't push it, or I'll give you a war you won't believe. 156 00:07:03,513 --> 00:07:05,450 And he was more powerful-like. 157 00:07:11,563 --> 00:07:12,899 Yet we achieved the same goal. 158 00:07:12,899 --> 00:07:14,368 [Schwarzenegger] Yeah, no, absolutely. 159 00:07:14,368 --> 00:07:15,605 I think that you end up doing 160 00:07:15,605 --> 00:07:18,243 the things that you can do. 161 00:07:18,777 --> 00:07:21,917 And also, the things that people are buying in on. 162 00:07:21,917 --> 00:07:24,154 And The Terminator, which was a science fiction character... 163 00:07:24,154 --> 00:07:26,693 - [Levin] Right. - Yeah, you can't have a machine that slurs. 164 00:07:26,693 --> 00:07:28,697 - It doesn't work. - [laughing] 165 00:07:28,697 --> 00:07:31,268 [Schwarzenegger] And then with Total Recall and with all of these movies, 166 00:07:31,268 --> 00:07:32,772 these were all-- and Running Man, 167 00:07:32,772 --> 00:07:34,676 these were all kind of like science fiction 168 00:07:34,676 --> 00:07:36,078 or futuristic type of movies. 169 00:07:36,078 --> 00:07:40,052 Yes, he was on a different track than I was. 170 00:07:40,052 --> 00:07:44,963 But still, it was an end where we ended up kind of like, 171 00:07:44,963 --> 00:07:48,269 "Well, you killed 28 people in the movie. 172 00:07:48,269 --> 00:07:50,139 I killed 32." 173 00:07:50,942 --> 00:07:52,277 "I got to top that." 174 00:07:52,277 --> 00:07:53,413 So body count mattered. 175 00:07:53,413 --> 00:07:54,983 It was not a body count. 176 00:07:54,983 --> 00:07:58,489 And then it was kind of like, "Well, what was your body fat?" 177 00:07:58,489 --> 00:08:01,796 You know, "I was down to 7%," Sly said. 178 00:08:01,796 --> 00:08:03,968 And I said, "I was down to 10%." 179 00:08:03,968 --> 00:08:06,673 So it became a competition with the body. 180 00:08:06,673 --> 00:08:08,577 - Yeah. - And then it was kind of like-- 181 00:08:08,577 --> 00:08:10,046 Then he started using machine guns 182 00:08:10,046 --> 00:08:12,719 that were kind of like, huge machine guns. 183 00:08:12,719 --> 00:08:15,558 I was running after him. He was not running after me. 184 00:08:15,558 --> 00:08:18,029 So I said-- When we did Predator, I said, 185 00:08:18,029 --> 00:08:20,433 "You got to get a machine gun that is normally 186 00:08:20,433 --> 00:08:24,274 mounted on a tank or on a helicopter." 187 00:08:24,274 --> 00:08:25,711 "Arnold, you can never hold it." 188 00:08:25,711 --> 00:08:27,615 I said, "We figure out a way. Don't worry about it." 189 00:08:27,615 --> 00:08:30,487 I got to have a bigger gun, a bigger machine gun 190 00:08:30,487 --> 00:08:31,690 than Sly used in Rambo. 191 00:08:31,690 --> 00:08:33,159 So this is how it went. 192 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:36,365 So then he killed 80 people, I had to kill 87 people. 193 00:08:36,365 --> 00:08:37,601 And you got sucked into it too, 194 00:08:37,601 --> 00:08:39,539 because the difference between 195 00:08:39,539 --> 00:08:41,543 Rambo I and II and III and IV, 196 00:08:41,543 --> 00:08:43,346 you got your guns bigger, 197 00:08:43,346 --> 00:08:46,786 - more body count, the whole thing. - [Stallone] Everything, yeah. 198 00:08:51,361 --> 00:08:53,701 Franco Columbu, 199 00:08:53,701 --> 00:08:56,105 - my training partner... - Right. 200 00:08:57,340 --> 00:08:59,344 ...was his trainer for Rambo. 201 00:08:59,344 --> 00:09:02,150 - [Stallone panting] - [Columbu] Okay, throw it, throw it. 202 00:09:03,687 --> 00:09:06,192 I got to tell you about Franco, man. This guy here, 203 00:09:06,192 --> 00:09:09,098 - he was very eccentric. Would you say? - Yeah, yeah. 204 00:09:09,098 --> 00:09:12,003 And we're working out, he goes, "Let's have a competition with bench press." 205 00:09:12,003 --> 00:09:14,809 I said, "You won." He goes, "No, come," and he went. 206 00:09:14,809 --> 00:09:18,584 I said, "Oh, man." So I go down, and it's maybe only 200. 207 00:09:18,584 --> 00:09:20,621 I'm just warming up, and I hear, "pow!" 208 00:09:20,621 --> 00:09:22,959 I go, "Ah!" 209 00:09:22,959 --> 00:09:25,598 And I fall on the floor and I'm going, "Ugh!" 210 00:09:25,598 --> 00:09:27,602 And then Franco goes, "Let me see." 211 00:09:27,602 --> 00:09:29,371 And he jams his fingers. 212 00:09:29,371 --> 00:09:31,208 I've torn my pec off the bone. 213 00:09:31,208 --> 00:09:33,680 - Ugh! - I mean, it's bad. I could hear it go "rip." 214 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:35,684 And he's jamming his fingers in. 215 00:09:35,684 --> 00:09:38,123 And I go, "Ah!" And I think I'm gonna black out. 216 00:09:38,123 --> 00:09:41,128 So, I go home. I feel like my career is over. 217 00:09:41,128 --> 00:09:46,573 I'm supposed to start Rocky II, directed everything in a month and a half. 218 00:09:46,573 --> 00:09:47,775 And I think, you know, 219 00:09:47,775 --> 00:09:49,746 I got to have this thing sewn up. 220 00:09:49,746 --> 00:09:51,650 And, you know, and here's the difference. 221 00:09:51,650 --> 00:09:53,754 And he would have done the same thing. 222 00:09:53,754 --> 00:09:56,626 I can't use this arm. So, I'll change it, 223 00:09:56,626 --> 00:09:58,730 and Rocky, he'll fight right-handed. 224 00:09:58,730 --> 00:10:01,134 [announcer] He's fighting right-handed! I don't believe it. 225 00:10:01,134 --> 00:10:04,008 The southpaw from Philly is fighting right-handed! 226 00:10:04,008 --> 00:10:06,980 Mickey goes, "At the very end, you'll switch and catch him off-guard," 227 00:10:06,980 --> 00:10:08,884 which is completely illogical. 228 00:10:08,884 --> 00:10:11,890 But I said, "I'm not stopping this movie just for this." 229 00:10:11,890 --> 00:10:13,928 - So this is a bad injury. - So you switched arms. 230 00:10:13,928 --> 00:10:16,331 I switched arms. So in Rocky, it was one of the key things. 231 00:10:16,331 --> 00:10:19,573 [crowd cheering] 232 00:10:20,407 --> 00:10:23,713 But it's interesting the way these incredible journeys happen. 233 00:10:23,713 --> 00:10:26,419 But we don't stop. We don't quit. 234 00:10:26,419 --> 00:10:32,064 [♪] 235 00:10:32,064 --> 00:10:33,633 - He punked you. - Yes, he did. 236 00:10:33,633 --> 00:10:35,103 - You got suckered in. - Yeah. 237 00:10:35,237 --> 00:10:38,610 - So he played you. - He did, and I'm stuck with that forever. 238 00:10:38,610 --> 00:10:42,818 [♪] 239 00:10:45,223 --> 00:10:47,427 [dramatic music] 240 00:10:53,072 --> 00:10:55,043 [Levin] One of my favorite stories about you guys 241 00:10:55,043 --> 00:10:56,880 was Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot. 242 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,651 - Yeah. - He punked you. 243 00:10:58,651 --> 00:10:59,886 - He punked you. - Yes, he did. 244 00:10:59,886 --> 00:11:02,925 Because you knew it was a bad script 245 00:11:02,925 --> 00:11:06,031 and acted like you wanted it. 246 00:11:06,031 --> 00:11:07,801 - You got suckered in. - Yeah. 247 00:11:07,801 --> 00:11:09,906 - So he played you. - Yes, he did. 248 00:11:09,906 --> 00:11:12,778 He did, and I'm stuck with that forever. 249 00:11:14,014 --> 00:11:18,055 [Schwarzenegger] First of all, when we talk about the movie, 250 00:11:18,055 --> 00:11:20,695 I didn't talk him into because I never talked him about it. 251 00:11:20,695 --> 00:11:23,967 But it was very clear that his agent 252 00:11:23,967 --> 00:11:26,840 was telling my agent, 253 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,244 "Look, Sly is interested in doing it, 254 00:11:29,244 --> 00:11:31,650 but I don't know if it's the right thing for him. 255 00:11:31,650 --> 00:11:33,319 Let me know what you guys are thinking." 256 00:11:33,319 --> 00:11:37,461 And then my agent said, "Well, you know, Arnold really loves it. 257 00:11:37,461 --> 00:11:38,864 I think it's fantastic." 258 00:11:38,864 --> 00:11:41,536 So then I called Roger Spottiswoode, 259 00:11:41,536 --> 00:11:43,072 who was the director, 260 00:11:43,072 --> 00:11:45,276 who just did the James Bond movie. 261 00:11:45,276 --> 00:11:48,482 - Oh, my God. - [Schwarzenegger] And so he was kind of the hot director. 262 00:11:48,482 --> 00:11:49,853 So he was the right guy to go. 263 00:11:49,853 --> 00:11:51,422 - Did you know this? - No. 264 00:11:51,422 --> 00:11:55,497 So anyway, so he's-- I talked to Roger Spottiswoode. 265 00:11:55,497 --> 00:11:57,535 You talked to my director? 266 00:11:57,535 --> 00:11:58,837 - Yeah. - Oh, my God. 267 00:11:58,837 --> 00:12:00,273 So my agent then said, 268 00:12:00,273 --> 00:12:02,612 "Well, Arnold is talking to Roger Spottiswoode now, 269 00:12:02,612 --> 00:12:04,716 and he's already-- he's really into it. 270 00:12:04,716 --> 00:12:06,753 I think we're gonna take the project." 271 00:12:06,753 --> 00:12:08,858 And then, of course, his agent, 272 00:12:08,858 --> 00:12:10,795 knowing that he's competitive with me, 273 00:12:10,795 --> 00:12:12,364 he said, "You cannot let that happen." 274 00:12:12,364 --> 00:12:15,236 And so he then called the studio right away and says, 275 00:12:15,236 --> 00:12:17,107 "Look, you've got to give this to Sly. 276 00:12:17,107 --> 00:12:19,278 Don't give it to Schwarzenegger. You've got to give this to Sly." 277 00:12:19,278 --> 00:12:23,252 And I said, "Fine, Sly got it." And so then he got the movie. 278 00:12:23,252 --> 00:12:25,456 So I was, of course, absolutely in heaven, 279 00:12:25,456 --> 00:12:28,797 because I said, "I felt like the only way that I could catch up with him 280 00:12:28,797 --> 00:12:30,768 is if he has a stumble." 281 00:12:30,768 --> 00:12:33,205 - Can you get more Machiavellian? - It is. 282 00:12:33,205 --> 00:12:35,410 You got to go and have him have a failure. 283 00:12:35,410 --> 00:12:37,949 - Unbelievable. - [Schwarzenegger] It was psychological. 284 00:12:37,949 --> 00:12:40,854 This is a whole thing about in Hollywood 285 00:12:40,854 --> 00:12:43,392 when you're always as good as your last movie. 286 00:12:43,392 --> 00:12:47,333 So I felt kind of like, "Okay, if Sly would stumble..." 287 00:12:47,333 --> 00:12:51,475 And sure enough, when the movie came out, it was a disaster. 288 00:12:53,847 --> 00:12:56,051 You know, so, I mean, so the day was hanging 289 00:12:56,051 --> 00:12:57,956 and everyone was writing, you know, 290 00:12:57,956 --> 00:13:00,326 "What a day-- the heydays are over for Sly." 291 00:13:00,326 --> 00:13:03,767 So I said, "Okay, this is now a moment for me to catch up." 292 00:13:03,767 --> 00:13:07,207 The way you talk, it makes me think 293 00:13:07,207 --> 00:13:11,650 that neither of you would be as successful without the other. 294 00:13:11,650 --> 00:13:12,818 I can't agree to that. 295 00:13:12,818 --> 00:13:15,791 I think it helped 296 00:13:15,791 --> 00:13:18,897 because we came along in a certain era 297 00:13:18,897 --> 00:13:21,302 that the movies were transitioning. 298 00:13:21,302 --> 00:13:24,074 There were no such thing as real action movies. 299 00:13:24,074 --> 00:13:27,047 You saw a car chase. You saw some gunplay. 300 00:13:27,047 --> 00:13:29,350 There was no action film where you actually said, 301 00:13:29,350 --> 00:13:32,958 "Okay, from beginning to end, this guy is in movement. 302 00:13:32,958 --> 00:13:36,098 He's doing things. He's making action happen." 303 00:13:36,098 --> 00:13:38,469 - Hey, hey! Wait! - [grunting] 304 00:13:41,809 --> 00:13:44,181 First Blood, which was almost a joke. 305 00:13:44,181 --> 00:13:47,821 I was the 11th choice. It was a cursed film. 306 00:13:47,821 --> 00:13:49,826 And that became my first action film. 307 00:13:49,826 --> 00:13:52,631 Real action. No dialogue, no nothing. 308 00:13:52,631 --> 00:13:55,002 And then Arnold, 309 00:13:55,002 --> 00:13:58,008 his films also were very action-oriented. 310 00:13:58,008 --> 00:14:00,012 So we kind of started something 311 00:14:00,012 --> 00:14:02,216 that I don't think exists anymore. 312 00:14:02,216 --> 00:14:04,354 At least it doesn't the way-- 313 00:14:04,354 --> 00:14:07,260 It was like a man against the world kind of thing. 314 00:14:07,260 --> 00:14:10,166 Now it's more of ensemble against the world, you know. 315 00:14:10,166 --> 00:14:13,640 But you said that he really kind of inspired you 316 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,345 to work harder, to do better. 317 00:14:16,345 --> 00:14:19,518 So in a way, each of you help the other. 318 00:14:19,518 --> 00:14:22,658 - Yeah. - Well, there's no two ways about that. 319 00:14:22,658 --> 00:14:25,463 He was very helpful in my career 320 00:14:25,463 --> 00:14:28,870 because I had something that I could chase 321 00:14:28,870 --> 00:14:30,507 and that I could kind of, like, 322 00:14:30,507 --> 00:14:33,580 "Oh, I have to be able to do this kind of work." 323 00:14:33,580 --> 00:14:37,821 But at the same time, I think that what is important 324 00:14:37,821 --> 00:14:39,424 and he did not mention yet is 325 00:14:39,424 --> 00:14:44,101 - that we have created a certain kind of era. - Yeah. 326 00:14:44,101 --> 00:14:47,875 And that is kind of like we were the first ones 327 00:14:47,875 --> 00:14:51,048 that did action movies 328 00:14:51,048 --> 00:14:53,452 and that were actually believable 329 00:14:53,452 --> 00:14:56,191 that we could do the things that we did on the screen 330 00:14:56,191 --> 00:14:58,997 because of our muscular development, 331 00:14:58,997 --> 00:15:01,101 because of our bodies. 332 00:15:01,101 --> 00:15:03,039 We were ripped. We had abs, we had deltas. 333 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:05,110 We looked totally believable 334 00:15:05,110 --> 00:15:07,313 that we could do those kind of things. 335 00:15:07,313 --> 00:15:11,155 And so then you saw other kind of action heroes 336 00:15:11,155 --> 00:15:13,358 kind of changing quickly 337 00:15:13,358 --> 00:15:15,196 and going and running to the gym, 338 00:15:15,196 --> 00:15:16,900 getting personal trainers 339 00:15:16,900 --> 00:15:18,671 and training and training and training, 340 00:15:18,671 --> 00:15:19,972 and then coming out 341 00:15:19,972 --> 00:15:21,342 and then looking also ripped and all this. 342 00:15:21,342 --> 00:15:23,913 And all of a sudden, it spread in movies. 343 00:15:23,913 --> 00:15:25,183 It spread on TV. 344 00:15:25,383 --> 00:15:27,186 I have to stop right here and interrupt one time, 345 00:15:27,186 --> 00:15:29,157 because you're absolutely right. 346 00:15:29,157 --> 00:15:33,031 A lot of guys did come out, but they weren't action guys. 347 00:15:33,031 --> 00:15:36,037 They were martial arts guys. A whole other thing. 348 00:15:36,037 --> 00:15:37,508 And we didn't care about that. 349 00:15:37,508 --> 00:15:41,148 We were more different in the way we fought back. 350 00:15:41,148 --> 00:15:46,358 So I've only seen really maybe two or three real action guys 351 00:15:46,358 --> 00:15:49,230 and the rest are kind of hyphenate martial arts guys, 352 00:15:49,230 --> 00:15:51,301 which is a whole other thing. 353 00:15:51,301 --> 00:15:53,106 You know, you come into a room 354 00:15:53,106 --> 00:15:55,611 and you fight 20 guys and no one pulls a gun. 355 00:15:55,611 --> 00:16:00,253 Our films were more of an adventure and totally different. 356 00:16:00,253 --> 00:16:02,525 And neither one of us know a thing about martial arts, 357 00:16:02,525 --> 00:16:05,997 but we know how to bust a head or two. [laughs] 358 00:16:05,997 --> 00:16:07,167 Run over him. 359 00:16:07,167 --> 00:16:09,304 - Okay. - Go get 'em. 360 00:16:09,304 --> 00:16:12,243 [sportscaster chattering excitedly] 361 00:16:12,243 --> 00:16:14,113 [Schwarzenegger] We created that era. 362 00:16:14,113 --> 00:16:16,953 Now there are a lot of actors 363 00:16:16,953 --> 00:16:19,258 that are living off that era 364 00:16:19,258 --> 00:16:21,328 and they're copying that, 365 00:16:21,328 --> 00:16:24,568 and they're very, very successful in doing so. 366 00:16:24,568 --> 00:16:27,273 [dramatic music] 367 00:16:29,277 --> 00:16:31,481 I'm a very emotional person. 368 00:16:31,481 --> 00:16:35,624 I think that people that have had horrible upbringings, 369 00:16:35,624 --> 00:16:39,163 it's a [bleep] terrible burden to lay on anyone. 370 00:16:39,163 --> 00:16:41,268 I think that what drove me was, 371 00:16:41,268 --> 00:16:44,976 I had such need to create my own world. 372 00:16:44,976 --> 00:16:48,716 I had to get out of that misery at home. 373 00:16:55,062 --> 00:16:58,603 [dramatic music] 374 00:17:01,441 --> 00:17:03,279 What's your favorite Schwarzenegger movie? 375 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:06,152 Terminator 2 is, like, perfect film. 376 00:17:06,152 --> 00:17:09,457 - Get down. - [screaming] 377 00:17:10,126 --> 00:17:11,629 [Stallone] Wouldn't you agree? 378 00:17:11,629 --> 00:17:13,900 It's like, everything about it was just spot on. 379 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:16,138 It had new CGI, 380 00:17:16,138 --> 00:17:17,674 had new inventive, had a good villain. 381 00:17:17,674 --> 00:17:22,283 I think he really-- he really excelled in that. 382 00:17:22,283 --> 00:17:24,454 What about your favorite Sly movie? 383 00:17:24,454 --> 00:17:26,325 Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot. That's it. 384 00:17:26,325 --> 00:17:29,364 I know you guys-- It's okay. And I'll say Junior. 385 00:17:29,364 --> 00:17:31,936 - Rambo II. - Rambo II? 386 00:17:31,936 --> 00:17:36,178 - Wow. - My favorite is Rambo IV. 387 00:17:36,178 --> 00:17:38,382 Can I get psychological for a minute? 388 00:17:38,382 --> 00:17:42,189 You both had really tough upbringings, both of you. 389 00:17:42,189 --> 00:17:46,165 [somber music] 390 00:17:46,165 --> 00:17:48,269 Almost horrific in a way. 391 00:17:48,269 --> 00:17:50,507 There's this famous poem, 392 00:17:50,507 --> 00:17:54,348 it's called "Children Learn What They Live." 393 00:17:54,348 --> 00:17:56,619 And a part of the poem is, 394 00:17:56,619 --> 00:18:00,660 "If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn. 395 00:18:00,660 --> 00:18:05,369 If children live with hostility, they learn to fight." 396 00:18:05,369 --> 00:18:07,508 When you guys look at your childhood, 397 00:18:07,508 --> 00:18:10,379 because I'm really fascinated by it because I had a rough childhood too, 398 00:18:10,379 --> 00:18:13,119 and I can relate to some of what you guys went through. 399 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,657 When you think about your childhood, 400 00:18:15,657 --> 00:18:20,333 what carried forward with you to this day? 401 00:18:20,333 --> 00:18:23,005 Because you don't shed it. You don't forget it. 402 00:18:23,005 --> 00:18:24,240 It doesn't go away. 403 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,013 So what is it in your childhood 404 00:18:27,013 --> 00:18:29,250 that is still part of you, good or bad? 405 00:18:29,250 --> 00:18:33,391 Well, I have a lot of sadness, 406 00:18:33,391 --> 00:18:37,434 you know, because I think about what could have been. 407 00:18:37,434 --> 00:18:40,239 It didn't have to be so bad. And it was bad. 408 00:18:40,239 --> 00:18:42,343 Yeah, both your parents, especially your mom, 409 00:18:42,343 --> 00:18:44,515 were just abusive and cruel. 410 00:18:44,515 --> 00:18:46,586 I think that a lot of people go, 411 00:18:46,586 --> 00:18:49,024 "Oh, that's what made you what you are today." 412 00:18:49,024 --> 00:18:50,326 I think it's a lie. 413 00:18:50,528 --> 00:18:54,568 I think that you are-- I am who I am. 414 00:18:54,568 --> 00:18:58,142 If I had been encouraged and someone was more supportive, 415 00:18:58,142 --> 00:19:00,547 I think it would have been even better. 416 00:19:00,547 --> 00:19:03,419 But instead, I had to try to overcome 417 00:19:03,419 --> 00:19:06,726 all these insecurities and doubting 418 00:19:06,726 --> 00:19:11,168 from the parents to overcome that and succeed. 419 00:19:11,168 --> 00:19:14,307 But you bring with you 420 00:19:14,307 --> 00:19:17,548 a lot of bittersweet feelings, 421 00:19:17,548 --> 00:19:21,021 and you try not to convey that onto your new family. 422 00:19:21,021 --> 00:19:22,558 But that's part of your makeup. 423 00:19:22,658 --> 00:19:25,731 I don't believe that which does not kill you makes you stronger. 424 00:19:25,731 --> 00:19:28,870 Usually, that which doesn't kill you kills you 425 00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:30,473 or almost comes close to it. 426 00:19:30,473 --> 00:19:33,078 And you carry scar tissue inside. 427 00:19:33,078 --> 00:19:34,447 And it kills me. 428 00:19:34,447 --> 00:19:37,788 I mean, I'm a very-- really emotional person. 429 00:19:37,788 --> 00:19:39,859 And I think-- You know, 430 00:19:39,859 --> 00:19:41,596 I think that people 431 00:19:41,596 --> 00:19:44,334 that have had horrible upbringings, 432 00:19:44,334 --> 00:19:47,373 it's a [bleep] terrible burden to lay on anyone. 433 00:19:47,373 --> 00:19:50,681 And parents should just, like-- they don't realize it 434 00:19:50,681 --> 00:19:52,752 because they were treated like crap. 435 00:19:52,752 --> 00:19:56,357 And see, it's a vicious cycle that goes on. 436 00:19:56,357 --> 00:19:57,894 So I can't just blame it on them. 437 00:19:57,894 --> 00:20:01,235 Because when I go back and I look at my mother's upbringing, 438 00:20:01,235 --> 00:20:03,038 you know, orphanages and this and that, 439 00:20:03,038 --> 00:20:04,340 and my father's, 440 00:20:04,340 --> 00:20:06,377 they had-- you know, they were angry. 441 00:20:06,377 --> 00:20:09,519 They just thought, "That's the way I'm gonna pass it on. 442 00:20:09,519 --> 00:20:12,490 You're not gonna be happy if I'm not happy." 443 00:20:12,490 --> 00:20:14,628 Your dad was angry a lot, too. 444 00:20:15,196 --> 00:20:18,135 Yeah, my dad was angry. 445 00:20:18,135 --> 00:20:20,439 And, you know, 446 00:20:20,439 --> 00:20:24,080 everyone after the Second World War 447 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,349 over there was angry. 448 00:20:25,349 --> 00:20:27,486 They lost the war. 449 00:20:27,486 --> 00:20:31,227 You know, the ass was handed to them by the Americans. 450 00:20:31,227 --> 00:20:33,633 [somber music] 451 00:20:33,633 --> 00:20:37,541 So my father came back from the war 452 00:20:37,541 --> 00:20:42,250 with wounds, broken back, malaria, 453 00:20:42,250 --> 00:20:44,388 shrapnel in his legs and stuff like that. 454 00:20:44,388 --> 00:20:47,259 So he went through a lot of pain afterwards. 455 00:20:48,797 --> 00:20:52,871 So because of the drinking, there was violence at home. 456 00:20:52,871 --> 00:20:56,411 So he would come home and smack us around sometimes, 457 00:20:56,411 --> 00:20:59,685 sometimes for reasons and sometimes for no reasons. 458 00:20:59,685 --> 00:21:03,125 And he would show brutality sometimes to my mother. 459 00:21:03,125 --> 00:21:05,196 And the reason why 460 00:21:05,196 --> 00:21:08,335 I never kind of think back 461 00:21:08,335 --> 00:21:11,108 in a negative way is, 462 00:21:11,108 --> 00:21:12,978 unlike Sly, I don't. 463 00:21:12,978 --> 00:21:16,085 I just don't have it in me to look at my father and say, 464 00:21:16,085 --> 00:21:19,290 "You son of a bitch, why did you do that?" Or anything like that. 465 00:21:19,290 --> 00:21:20,761 I felt kind of like-- 466 00:21:20,761 --> 00:21:24,702 I don't really know the pain he had and why he drank 467 00:21:24,702 --> 00:21:27,473 and all the stuff that was in him and all that stuff. 468 00:21:27,473 --> 00:21:29,545 And on top of it, I said to myself, 469 00:21:29,545 --> 00:21:32,618 "If I would have grown up 470 00:21:32,618 --> 00:21:35,623 like some people do with all the love in the world, 471 00:21:35,623 --> 00:21:38,328 I would have never left home." 472 00:21:38,663 --> 00:21:40,600 I would have stayed in Austria. 473 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,438 It's not the kind of life that would've made me happy. 474 00:21:43,438 --> 00:21:46,345 I always felt kind of I was a citizen of the world, 475 00:21:46,345 --> 00:21:47,882 not a citizen of Austria. 476 00:21:47,882 --> 00:21:50,386 But you don't think you would've done that anyway? 477 00:21:50,386 --> 00:21:51,488 - No. - Oh. 478 00:21:51,488 --> 00:21:54,394 I think that what drove me was 479 00:21:54,394 --> 00:21:58,202 I had such a need to create my own world. 480 00:21:58,202 --> 00:22:01,040 I had to get out of that misery at home. 481 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,646 And you're almost turning the misery into a blessing. 482 00:22:03,646 --> 00:22:06,218 Yeah, so it was a blessing in a way, 483 00:22:06,218 --> 00:22:08,355 because, you know, so again, 484 00:22:08,355 --> 00:22:10,226 I disagree with Sly because 485 00:22:10,226 --> 00:22:13,198 my brother, 486 00:22:13,198 --> 00:22:15,937 Meinhard, he died. 487 00:22:17,339 --> 00:22:20,412 He died because his reaction was 488 00:22:20,412 --> 00:22:22,417 to become an alcoholic himself. 489 00:22:22,417 --> 00:22:23,787 One day driving with a car 490 00:22:23,787 --> 00:22:27,962 and then hitting a telegraph post, you know, 491 00:22:27,962 --> 00:22:29,398 one of those big things, 492 00:22:29,398 --> 00:22:31,802 and just smashed into it and got killed. 493 00:22:31,802 --> 00:22:35,275 So-- But that was because of that upbringing. 494 00:22:35,275 --> 00:22:36,946 And this is why I do believe in 495 00:22:36,946 --> 00:22:39,250 "What does not kill you make you stronger," 496 00:22:39,250 --> 00:22:41,021 because it killed my brother. 497 00:22:41,623 --> 00:22:44,194 - [Levin] Mm-hmm. - But it made me stronger. 498 00:22:44,194 --> 00:22:46,566 You and I had no choice. 499 00:22:46,566 --> 00:22:48,268 We were gonna do something. 500 00:22:48,268 --> 00:22:51,407 [♪] 501 00:22:51,407 --> 00:22:53,179 You escaped into bodybuilding, 502 00:22:53,179 --> 00:22:54,548 I escaped into theatrics, 503 00:22:54,548 --> 00:22:56,786 because I wasn't too happy with reality. 504 00:22:56,786 --> 00:23:00,493 So I said, "This is my world because I don't like this one." 505 00:23:00,493 --> 00:23:03,199 So I think that we were gonna do it no matter what. 506 00:23:03,199 --> 00:23:04,568 It just would've been nice 507 00:23:04,568 --> 00:23:06,338 with a little bit more encouragement, that's all. 508 00:23:06,338 --> 00:23:08,441 And the Oscar goes to... 509 00:23:10,145 --> 00:23:11,849 Robert Downey Jr. 510 00:23:11,849 --> 00:23:15,423 [Schwarzenegger] When Robert Downey Jr. at the Oscars 511 00:23:15,423 --> 00:23:18,094 said when he received his Oscar... 512 00:23:18,094 --> 00:23:21,769 - I'd like to thank my terrible childhood. - [audience laughter] 513 00:23:21,769 --> 00:23:23,940 [Schwarzenegger] I immediately could relate to that. 514 00:23:23,940 --> 00:23:26,579 - [Stallone] Yeah, absolutely. - Because he went through trouble and pain. 515 00:23:26,579 --> 00:23:29,283 I don't know exactly the story, but to him-- 516 00:23:29,283 --> 00:23:32,022 for him to thank his [bleep] upbringing 517 00:23:32,022 --> 00:23:34,996 means that that motivated him and got him going 518 00:23:34,996 --> 00:23:39,037 into a different direction rather than staying in the [bleep]. 519 00:23:39,037 --> 00:23:43,879 [♪] 520 00:23:43,879 --> 00:23:46,484 I know you supported Arnold when he ran for governor. 521 00:23:46,484 --> 00:23:48,723 - I did. - [Levin] What I'm wondering is, 522 00:23:48,723 --> 00:23:51,428 did you do it so you could get him out of the movie business? 523 00:23:51,428 --> 00:23:53,900 [laughs] Yes, actually. 524 00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:58,008 - [Levin laughs] - You read through me, did you? 525 00:23:58,008 --> 00:23:59,911 Oh, my God. 526 00:24:05,456 --> 00:24:07,794 [♪] 527 00:24:12,202 --> 00:24:14,909 [peaceful music] 528 00:24:14,909 --> 00:24:17,948 [Levin] You both have kids who grew up with a lot of privilege. 529 00:24:17,948 --> 00:24:20,385 - Yeah, yeah. Yeah. - That you didn't have. 530 00:24:20,385 --> 00:24:21,889 So how did you guys raise kids 531 00:24:21,889 --> 00:24:24,561 when they can't see what you saw? 532 00:24:24,561 --> 00:24:26,097 - Right. - Other than the fact that 533 00:24:26,097 --> 00:24:30,105 you're these incredibly famous, wealthy two guys 534 00:24:30,105 --> 00:24:33,546 and they're looking at this-- you know, in this mansion. 535 00:24:33,546 --> 00:24:35,984 How do you raise kids with those values? 536 00:24:35,984 --> 00:24:37,788 I'll tell you, I've always said that 537 00:24:37,788 --> 00:24:39,825 everyone's father is tougher than them. 538 00:24:39,825 --> 00:24:42,865 You know, it's just their life was tougher, it was harder. 539 00:24:42,865 --> 00:24:44,935 And then their grandfather. I mean, think about-- 540 00:24:44,935 --> 00:24:48,510 Yeah, the difference between you two and your parents is-- 541 00:24:48,510 --> 00:24:50,379 Exactly. Is world-- 542 00:24:50,379 --> 00:24:51,815 I mean, it's worlds apart. 543 00:24:51,815 --> 00:24:54,421 Well, the difference between us and our children, 544 00:24:54,421 --> 00:24:56,257 we really had to grovel. 545 00:24:56,257 --> 00:24:57,794 And it was tougher back then. 546 00:24:57,794 --> 00:24:59,765 Today, it's a whole different world. 547 00:24:59,765 --> 00:25:01,569 They're presented with so much. 548 00:25:01,569 --> 00:25:03,639 Not just rich people, even poor kids. 549 00:25:03,639 --> 00:25:06,044 And I mean, there's so much technology, and that-- 550 00:25:06,044 --> 00:25:10,620 that I think it's really put a damper on people's inspiration 551 00:25:10,620 --> 00:25:13,760 and this ability to go out and explore for themselves. 552 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,464 It comes right to you on a phone, all this stuff. 553 00:25:16,464 --> 00:25:19,772 [interviewer] Who is giving you advice on what to wear on Golden Globe night? 554 00:25:19,772 --> 00:25:21,509 Definitely not him. 555 00:25:21,509 --> 00:25:23,546 [overlapping chatter] 556 00:25:23,546 --> 00:25:25,851 - Definitely not him. - No, he's gotten better. 557 00:25:25,851 --> 00:25:27,588 I get no respect, as you can tell, okay. 558 00:25:27,588 --> 00:25:29,323 I try to teach my kids, 559 00:25:29,323 --> 00:25:31,562 and maybe I think he does too, 560 00:25:31,562 --> 00:25:35,302 is really understand that you are privileged. 561 00:25:37,774 --> 00:25:39,679 And I just want you to be nice. 562 00:25:39,679 --> 00:25:42,283 I want you to be empathetic to people. 563 00:25:42,283 --> 00:25:43,820 I want you to be polite 564 00:25:43,820 --> 00:25:47,460 and understand that you were given this gift. 565 00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:48,896 It just didn't come out of the ground. 566 00:25:48,896 --> 00:25:50,600 When you see a guy working there, 567 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,472 pushing a broom thing, working on a roof, 568 00:25:53,472 --> 00:25:54,941 he doesn't wanna do that. 569 00:25:54,941 --> 00:25:57,313 He wasn't born to say, "I can't wait to go 570 00:25:57,313 --> 00:25:59,150 tar a roof in the summer." 571 00:25:59,150 --> 00:26:02,123 So be empathetic to people that don't have what you have. 572 00:26:02,123 --> 00:26:04,761 And my girls have been just fantastic. 573 00:26:04,761 --> 00:26:08,335 And they've also-- they've picked up our habits, 574 00:26:08,335 --> 00:26:09,538 and they are industrious. 575 00:26:09,538 --> 00:26:11,608 They-- they imitate. 576 00:26:11,608 --> 00:26:13,713 My wife is incredibly industrious, 577 00:26:13,713 --> 00:26:16,519 so my daughters have carried on that tradition. 578 00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:18,756 Our kids would not... 579 00:26:18,756 --> 00:26:22,329 kind of create that same kind of hunger... 580 00:26:23,666 --> 00:26:26,806 and that desire and that fire in the belly 581 00:26:26,806 --> 00:26:29,644 that we had because of our upbringing. 582 00:26:29,644 --> 00:26:32,884 - So that only comes with that upbringing. - [Stallone] Yeah. 583 00:26:32,884 --> 00:26:35,055 You know, your urge to move away, 584 00:26:35,055 --> 00:26:37,126 to go and explore and to get out of there 585 00:26:37,126 --> 00:26:39,497 because you get the beating all the time there. 586 00:26:39,497 --> 00:26:41,101 So that hunger, I think, 587 00:26:41,101 --> 00:26:43,404 would not be the case with our kids. 588 00:26:43,404 --> 00:26:45,075 - No. - But... 589 00:26:45,075 --> 00:26:47,714 that does not mean that you cannot bring them up 590 00:26:47,714 --> 00:26:48,883 to be successful. 591 00:26:48,883 --> 00:26:52,456 [reporters clamoring] 592 00:26:52,456 --> 00:26:54,895 I was very lucky that I had a wife 593 00:26:54,895 --> 00:26:57,333 that was really good in raising the kids. 594 00:26:57,333 --> 00:26:58,903 Maria was excellent in that. 595 00:26:58,903 --> 00:27:03,579 And so I was gone twice a year for three months, 596 00:27:03,579 --> 00:27:06,417 sometimes six months on a movie set. 597 00:27:08,923 --> 00:27:11,662 So, of course, she ended up 80% of the time, 598 00:27:11,662 --> 00:27:14,166 to make up a number, raising the kids. 599 00:27:14,166 --> 00:27:16,839 And she did an extraordinary job with the education, 600 00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:19,076 with the moral codes and with all of those kind of things. 601 00:27:19,076 --> 00:27:21,080 And my kids all had to wash their own clothes. 602 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,151 They all had to wash their own bedwear. 603 00:27:23,151 --> 00:27:25,924 And every so often when I saw them cheating 604 00:27:25,924 --> 00:27:27,895 and someone else did it, 605 00:27:27,895 --> 00:27:31,067 I grabbed their mattresses 606 00:27:31,067 --> 00:27:35,242 and I threw it off the balcony of the bedroom. 607 00:27:35,242 --> 00:27:38,015 And sometimes into the-- sometimes, you know-- 608 00:27:38,015 --> 00:27:40,453 - Now we're getting somewhere. [laughs] - Then the TV. 609 00:27:40,453 --> 00:27:44,794 But then they have to drag it up again and they have to make the bed again 610 00:27:44,794 --> 00:27:48,035 because I detected they didn't make the bed. It was too nicely made. 611 00:27:48,035 --> 00:27:51,676 I just want to compliment you for a second and just say this: 612 00:27:51,676 --> 00:27:54,948 one of the things that I learned over the years 613 00:27:54,948 --> 00:27:58,087 of what great of a family man Sly is 614 00:27:58,087 --> 00:27:59,959 and how he deals with his daughters 615 00:27:59,959 --> 00:28:01,828 and with his family and the whole thing like this. 616 00:28:01,828 --> 00:28:04,901 You know, when you go up to visit someone at their house 617 00:28:04,901 --> 00:28:08,108 and you go to parties or do dinner or something like that, 618 00:28:08,108 --> 00:28:10,847 you see the dynamics and what's going on there. 619 00:28:10,847 --> 00:28:13,686 And I watch his reality TV show and all this stuff. 620 00:28:13,686 --> 00:28:17,459 Hey! Come here, little-- [laughs] [bleep]. 621 00:28:18,930 --> 00:28:21,001 [Schwarzenegger] And it is just really-- He's on it, 622 00:28:21,001 --> 00:28:24,608 and he's supportive, and he's really terrific because of that. 623 00:28:24,608 --> 00:28:26,477 And he's learned from what his father did 624 00:28:26,477 --> 00:28:27,614 that he doesn't want to do. 625 00:28:27,614 --> 00:28:28,849 - No. - And does the opposite. 626 00:28:28,849 --> 00:28:31,487 So I-- I think it is really terrific. 627 00:28:36,431 --> 00:28:40,239 I'm going to run for governor of the state of California. 628 00:28:40,239 --> 00:28:41,307 [cheering] 629 00:28:41,307 --> 00:28:43,177 [Levin] I've always wanted to ask you this. 630 00:28:43,177 --> 00:28:45,583 I know you supported Arnold when he ran for governor. 631 00:28:45,583 --> 00:28:47,487 - I did. - What I'm wondering is, 632 00:28:47,487 --> 00:28:50,358 did you do it so you could get him out of the movie business? 633 00:28:50,358 --> 00:28:53,031 [Stallone laughs] 634 00:28:53,031 --> 00:28:55,770 - Yes, actually. - [Levin laughs] 635 00:28:55,770 --> 00:28:57,440 You read through me, did you? 636 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,947 Oh, my God. I thought it was so insane, what he did. 637 00:29:00,947 --> 00:29:03,117 I said, "I gotta-- I gotta see this." 638 00:29:05,021 --> 00:29:06,892 And he pulled it off. Can you believe it? 639 00:29:06,892 --> 00:29:08,796 It's just-- it's-- it's who he is. 640 00:29:08,796 --> 00:29:10,667 - Did you ever have a plan B? - No. 641 00:29:10,667 --> 00:29:11,969 - As a matter of fact... - There you go. 642 00:29:11,969 --> 00:29:13,539 ...in my book, Be Useful, I talk about, 643 00:29:13,539 --> 00:29:15,943 "Don't have a plan B, there's no such thing as a plan B," 644 00:29:15,943 --> 00:29:18,583 because it's kind of like saying, 645 00:29:18,583 --> 00:29:19,751 "I want a safety net." 646 00:29:19,852 --> 00:29:21,755 I'm not the safety net kind of a guy. 647 00:29:21,755 --> 00:29:24,794 It's you yourself that is doubting you, 648 00:29:24,794 --> 00:29:26,297 and that's the most dangerous one. 649 00:29:26,297 --> 00:29:28,736 Not that someone out there is doubting you, 650 00:29:28,736 --> 00:29:30,171 but that you are doubting you. 651 00:29:30,171 --> 00:29:31,975 - Now you're fighting yourself. - [Stallone] Right. 652 00:29:31,975 --> 00:29:33,746 And that is an absolute no-no. 653 00:29:33,746 --> 00:29:36,283 This is a formula for disaster. 654 00:29:38,154 --> 00:29:39,792 [Levin] In 1987, 655 00:29:39,792 --> 00:29:42,162 you went to a joint 656 00:29:42,162 --> 00:29:43,933 that I used to have breakfast at, 657 00:29:43,933 --> 00:29:46,939 Patrick's Roadhouse in Pacific Palisades. 658 00:29:46,939 --> 00:29:49,845 And you had a secret breakfast meeting 659 00:29:49,845 --> 00:29:52,115 talking about Rambo vs. Predator. 660 00:29:52,115 --> 00:29:54,420 - Why didn't that happen? - I think-- 661 00:29:54,420 --> 00:29:57,392 Because we've had this happen a couple of times. 662 00:29:57,392 --> 00:30:00,498 There was a John Hughes comedy, wasn't it, we were talking about? 663 00:30:00,498 --> 00:30:05,208 Battling neighbors. Because we couldn't agree on that. 664 00:30:05,208 --> 00:30:07,246 So at that time, it was kind of still strange. 665 00:30:07,246 --> 00:30:09,283 Duke and Fluffy. Or something like that. 666 00:30:09,283 --> 00:30:13,124 - Yeah, it was like that. - Duke and Fluffy? Who was Fluffy? 667 00:30:13,124 --> 00:30:15,963 I was supposed to be a dog and he's supposed to be a cat. 668 00:30:15,963 --> 00:30:18,135 And we're supposed to-- In the daytime, 669 00:30:18,135 --> 00:30:21,174 we are regular neighbors that hate each other. 670 00:30:21,174 --> 00:30:22,944 And at night, we are animals, you know, 671 00:30:22,944 --> 00:30:24,414 and then we attack each other and all that. 672 00:30:24,414 --> 00:30:26,284 - I kind of like that. - It was a funny idea. 673 00:30:26,284 --> 00:30:29,456 But he went off doing a movie. So it never really happened. 674 00:30:33,064 --> 00:30:35,669 [Levin] What do you admire most about him? 675 00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:38,542 His dedication and his passion. 676 00:30:39,009 --> 00:30:41,849 I wish I could be as passionate about things as he is. 677 00:30:41,849 --> 00:30:43,284 - He's so passionate. - Is that true? 678 00:30:43,284 --> 00:30:45,723 - Really? - Absolutely. Are you kidding me? 679 00:30:45,723 --> 00:30:48,395 When you talk about scripts 680 00:30:48,395 --> 00:30:51,668 or when you talk about your characters that you play in movies, 681 00:30:51,668 --> 00:30:53,271 or when you talk about movies, 682 00:30:53,271 --> 00:30:57,714 it's-- there's just so much passion there. 683 00:30:57,714 --> 00:30:59,984 I think it's really unbelievable. 684 00:30:59,984 --> 00:31:02,390 And it must come from somewhere 685 00:31:02,390 --> 00:31:05,696 because, you know, he's a very emotional guy, 686 00:31:05,696 --> 00:31:06,998 which I'm not. 687 00:31:06,998 --> 00:31:09,103 I'm emotional, but not like him. 688 00:31:09,103 --> 00:31:11,006 You're very different, the two of you. 689 00:31:11,006 --> 00:31:13,010 Very, very different in that way. 690 00:31:13,010 --> 00:31:15,448 You can tell alone just the way we are dressed, right? 691 00:31:15,448 --> 00:31:18,287 - I mean, he has, of course-- - I wasn't gonna dress like this. 692 00:31:18,287 --> 00:31:21,227 This jacket, I guarantee you, cost $10,000 693 00:31:21,227 --> 00:31:24,000 from David August or something like that. 694 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,202 Who knows who made it? 695 00:31:25,202 --> 00:31:28,075 Mine is like a-- a second... 696 00:31:28,075 --> 00:31:29,844 That'll come back someday, don't worry. 697 00:31:29,844 --> 00:31:31,949 - ...leather jacket. - [Levin laughs] 698 00:31:31,949 --> 00:31:33,318 I have old cowboy boots on 699 00:31:33,318 --> 00:31:35,890 and he-- Look at this, the alligator loafers. 700 00:31:35,890 --> 00:31:40,566 [♪] 701 00:31:40,566 --> 00:31:43,972 Everyone would agree if there is a Mount Rushmore 702 00:31:43,972 --> 00:31:47,379 of action heroes, you have two of the four spots. 703 00:31:50,285 --> 00:31:52,355 I think everybody agrees with that. 704 00:31:52,355 --> 00:31:55,664 - Who are the other two? - Oh, wow. 705 00:31:55,664 --> 00:31:57,299 That's a tough one. 706 00:32:02,877 --> 00:32:05,148 [♪] 707 00:32:10,025 --> 00:32:12,530 What do you admire about him most? 708 00:32:13,264 --> 00:32:16,404 I'm not even finished yet with what I admire about him. 709 00:32:17,239 --> 00:32:19,878 I always have painted my whole life, right? 710 00:32:19,878 --> 00:32:21,749 For my children. 711 00:32:21,749 --> 00:32:23,218 And so I painted in school, 712 00:32:23,218 --> 00:32:26,057 you know, did little paintings like that. 713 00:32:26,057 --> 00:32:28,562 Then I go and see his art 714 00:32:28,562 --> 00:32:29,931 and his paintings. 715 00:32:29,931 --> 00:32:33,137 [♪] 716 00:32:33,137 --> 00:32:36,846 I tell you, it is absolutely spectacular. 717 00:32:36,846 --> 00:32:38,148 Oh, stop. 718 00:32:38,148 --> 00:32:39,349 I do everything little. 719 00:32:39,349 --> 00:32:41,622 Like this, I make fine lines, 720 00:32:41,622 --> 00:32:45,563 and then make everything very accurate and all this, and he says, "No, no, no." 721 00:32:45,563 --> 00:32:48,636 He says, "Arnold, you got to be more daring. Got to open up a little bit." 722 00:32:48,636 --> 00:32:51,340 So I go up to his house, and he has this big paintbrush 723 00:32:51,340 --> 00:32:53,444 with 15 kind of different colors, 724 00:32:53,444 --> 00:32:58,154 goes in there like this, and he starts smacking it down on the canvas. 725 00:32:58,154 --> 00:32:59,892 And I said to myself, 726 00:32:59,892 --> 00:33:01,394 "Can you believe the balls this guy has? 727 00:33:01,394 --> 00:33:05,570 He just makes a commitment with all of this paint. 728 00:33:05,570 --> 00:33:08,274 And then he goes, and all of a sudden, in no time, 729 00:33:08,274 --> 00:33:10,513 he creates this really colorful, 730 00:33:10,513 --> 00:33:13,451 unbelievable kind of modern type of a painting and stuff like that." 731 00:33:13,451 --> 00:33:18,462 His big paintings go sometimes for several hundred thousand dollars. 732 00:33:18,462 --> 00:33:22,269 [♪] 733 00:33:22,269 --> 00:33:24,173 What I admire most about him 734 00:33:24,173 --> 00:33:27,246 is he's rock steady. 735 00:33:27,246 --> 00:33:29,316 He's like a season that doesn't change. 736 00:33:29,316 --> 00:33:32,088 He's like bang on, bang on. 737 00:33:32,088 --> 00:33:34,994 Very organized, very calculated, very thoughtful. 738 00:33:34,994 --> 00:33:37,934 I'm not. And he's right, I'm very emotional. 739 00:33:37,934 --> 00:33:40,205 And I tend to be swayed. 740 00:33:40,205 --> 00:33:43,411 And things can upset logic quite often. 741 00:33:43,411 --> 00:33:45,349 And that's when you make mistakes, 742 00:33:45,349 --> 00:33:48,088 when your brain overwhelms your heart, 743 00:33:48,088 --> 00:33:50,826 or your heart overwhelms your brain, I should say. 744 00:33:50,826 --> 00:33:53,131 And that doesn't-- It-- He's-- 745 00:33:53,131 --> 00:33:55,001 I don't know what he's thinking. Do you know what I mean? 746 00:33:55,001 --> 00:33:59,210 He's like a chess player. You don't know what's going on, but he gets it done. 747 00:33:59,210 --> 00:34:01,615 And he really does have a big heart, he does. 748 00:34:01,615 --> 00:34:04,721 I mean, you wouldn't think it, because we're action guys, 749 00:34:04,721 --> 00:34:07,594 but we're more emotional than a lot of more dramatic actors. 750 00:34:07,594 --> 00:34:12,469 Trust me, do not think for a second we're not hypersensitive, 751 00:34:12,469 --> 00:34:15,442 especially coming from the way where we came from. 752 00:34:15,442 --> 00:34:18,348 We're very-- Especially criticism. 753 00:34:18,348 --> 00:34:21,153 It's very profound on us. Very profound. 754 00:34:21,153 --> 00:34:24,994 So when you get bad reviews, they hurt. 755 00:34:24,994 --> 00:34:27,365 Oh, yeah, don't just criticize. 756 00:34:27,365 --> 00:34:31,341 "Stallone's career is more mysterious than crib death." 757 00:34:31,341 --> 00:34:33,812 I mean, that's how bad it gets. I mean, brutal. 758 00:34:33,812 --> 00:34:38,956 Well, you got one where they said you felt you got the worst review since Hitler. 759 00:34:38,956 --> 00:34:40,859 - Here you go. - You said that. 760 00:34:40,859 --> 00:34:42,228 Yeah, it's true. 761 00:34:42,228 --> 00:34:43,599 - Did I really? - Yeah, you did. 762 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:46,270 Oh, my God, oh, my God, but it's true. 763 00:34:46,270 --> 00:34:48,542 I remember when we did The Villain 764 00:34:48,542 --> 00:34:50,847 with Kirk Douglas, Ann-Margret, they said to me, 765 00:34:50,847 --> 00:34:54,621 the horse had better facial expressions than I had, I mean, what the hell? 766 00:34:54,621 --> 00:34:58,528 - [Levin laughing] - So, I pay no attention to this stuff. 767 00:35:00,399 --> 00:35:04,073 There are a lot of differences with you guys, 768 00:35:04,073 --> 00:35:06,043 what we've talked about. 769 00:35:06,043 --> 00:35:08,248 The big similarity that I see 770 00:35:08,248 --> 00:35:12,455 is both of you have put your bodies through hell. 771 00:35:13,859 --> 00:35:18,501 The image that I always think of is the two of you on gurneys 772 00:35:18,501 --> 00:35:21,107 getting ready for shoulder surgery at the same time. 773 00:35:21,107 --> 00:35:22,476 That was by accident. 774 00:35:22,476 --> 00:35:26,585 But was this worth it to put your body-- 775 00:35:26,585 --> 00:35:29,156 Because I know that it causes pain. 776 00:35:29,156 --> 00:35:31,193 You've been in the hospital a bunch. 777 00:35:31,193 --> 00:35:33,331 You've had all sorts of operations. 778 00:35:33,331 --> 00:35:35,435 You've had, what, seven back operations? 779 00:35:35,435 --> 00:35:37,674 Three neck fusion, shoulders, every knee. 780 00:35:37,674 --> 00:35:41,047 Yeah, I had endless amount of heart surgeries. 781 00:35:41,047 --> 00:35:42,182 You had back surgery. 782 00:35:42,182 --> 00:35:43,752 I mean, we have our surgeries. 783 00:35:43,752 --> 00:35:46,123 I have shoulder surgeries, this shoulder, this shoulder. 784 00:35:46,123 --> 00:35:50,298 You know, the knees, both knees, hip replacement and all that kind of stuff. 785 00:35:50,298 --> 00:35:52,169 I got a lot of injuries in this movie. 786 00:35:52,169 --> 00:35:54,206 Believe me, I was attacked by wolves. 787 00:35:54,206 --> 00:35:56,377 I was attacked by vulture. 788 00:35:56,377 --> 00:35:59,316 Do you ever wake up, and just say, "Why did I do this?" 789 00:35:59,316 --> 00:36:01,788 I do, I got-- The pleasure-- 790 00:36:01,788 --> 00:36:04,560 As Tony Robbins, "the pleasure was not worth the pain." 791 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,299 I liked doing some of it, but there was a point 792 00:36:07,299 --> 00:36:10,005 when I should've slowed it down and used a pro. 793 00:36:10,005 --> 00:36:13,445 [announcer] Apollo unloading a left, really trying to get him up against the ropes. 794 00:36:13,445 --> 00:36:15,582 - He's-- Oh! - [Stallone] Rocky's things really 795 00:36:15,582 --> 00:36:18,722 wiped me out from snapping the head all the time. 796 00:36:18,722 --> 00:36:22,263 [announcer] Hard left, again, a hard right. 797 00:36:22,263 --> 00:36:24,333 Dolph Lundgren, you told him to hit you, 798 00:36:24,333 --> 00:36:26,838 and you ended up in the hospital for nine days. 799 00:36:26,838 --> 00:36:29,778 [♪] 800 00:36:29,778 --> 00:36:31,581 - [Stallone] He almost killed me. - [Levin] Yeah. 801 00:36:31,581 --> 00:36:34,521 That was a freakish accident, just freakish. 802 00:36:34,521 --> 00:36:36,692 - But you asked for it. - I did ask for it. 803 00:36:36,692 --> 00:36:39,196 But I didn't think he'd hit so hard. 804 00:36:39,196 --> 00:36:41,802 You know, [bleep]. That kind of a thing. 805 00:36:41,802 --> 00:36:45,576 Like, yeah, I think I talk to my wife every day about it. 806 00:36:45,576 --> 00:36:48,314 It's absolutely not worth it in the sense 807 00:36:48,314 --> 00:36:50,586 that you don't know when to quit. 808 00:36:50,586 --> 00:36:53,024 I should have stopped right before the first Expendables. 809 00:36:53,024 --> 00:36:54,961 That's what did me in. 810 00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:59,638 I never was whole from that point on. 811 00:36:59,638 --> 00:37:01,440 So it's always easy to go and say, 812 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,280 "Okay, now I'm 76 years old or 77, 813 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,852 and I should have not done this, done that, 814 00:37:06,852 --> 00:37:09,958 because that's what hurt me," what does it matter? 815 00:37:09,958 --> 00:37:14,466 The bottom line is, we had a great time what we did, we love to take risks. 816 00:37:14,466 --> 00:37:17,238 You couldn't have stunt doubles, because you were so big, 817 00:37:17,238 --> 00:37:18,975 so you did a lot of your own stuff. 818 00:37:18,975 --> 00:37:21,347 [Schwarzenegger] Yeah, yeah, I did. There was no choice, really, 819 00:37:21,347 --> 00:37:25,255 because when I was in Spain, there was no stunt guy around that looked like me-- 820 00:37:25,255 --> 00:37:27,025 But it's all flipped now, 821 00:37:27,025 --> 00:37:29,497 that you have stunt guys 822 00:37:29,497 --> 00:37:31,535 who are big like you were. 823 00:37:31,535 --> 00:37:34,440 But now the action heroes 824 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,545 - are small. - Are small, I know, I know. 825 00:37:36,545 --> 00:37:40,184 I mean, Timothée Chalamet, Mark Ruffalo, 826 00:37:40,184 --> 00:37:42,557 - Austin Butler. - [Stallone] I know. 827 00:37:43,859 --> 00:37:48,334 Everyone would agree if there is a Mount Rushmore of action heroes, 828 00:37:48,334 --> 00:37:50,171 you have two of the four spots. 829 00:37:50,171 --> 00:37:52,242 I think everybody agrees with that. 830 00:37:52,242 --> 00:37:54,113 Who are the other two? 831 00:37:54,113 --> 00:37:57,152 Oh, wow. That's a tough one. 832 00:37:57,152 --> 00:38:01,460 I would put Clint on it. 833 00:38:01,460 --> 00:38:04,934 Clint Eastwood was always my hero, 834 00:38:04,934 --> 00:38:06,538 my inspiration. 835 00:38:06,538 --> 00:38:09,611 He was one of those guys just like Reg Park in bodybuilding 836 00:38:09,611 --> 00:38:12,416 that spent time with me and talked to me. 837 00:38:12,416 --> 00:38:14,386 The fourth guy, you have to come up with. 838 00:38:14,386 --> 00:38:15,623 I already came up with one. 839 00:38:15,623 --> 00:38:17,860 I think it goes to Bruce. 840 00:38:19,697 --> 00:38:22,704 He's a very multifaceted guy. 841 00:38:22,704 --> 00:38:26,110 He can do drama and comedy, whatever, and all the same. 842 00:38:26,110 --> 00:38:31,888 But he was in quite a few seminal action films that really-- 843 00:38:31,888 --> 00:38:35,662 Like, Die Hard is a classic, and those things don't go away. 844 00:38:35,662 --> 00:38:37,466 I'm a friend of Sarah Connor. 845 00:38:37,466 --> 00:38:40,004 Can't see her. She's making a statement. 846 00:38:40,004 --> 00:38:41,674 I'll be back. 847 00:38:41,674 --> 00:38:43,678 [Levin] What's Arnold's legacy? 848 00:38:44,312 --> 00:38:47,018 Well, being the all-time triple threat. 849 00:38:47,018 --> 00:38:50,759 He came, he saw, he conquered. That's it, really simple. 850 00:38:50,759 --> 00:38:52,997 It's not original, but it's true. 851 00:38:52,997 --> 00:38:54,567 What's his legacy? 852 00:38:54,567 --> 00:38:58,609 Someone that did some of the most extraordinary movies. 853 00:38:58,609 --> 00:39:02,082 Nothing is over! Nothing! 854 00:39:02,082 --> 00:39:03,418 You just don't turn it off! 855 00:39:03,418 --> 00:39:06,223 And inspired endless amount of people 856 00:39:06,223 --> 00:39:07,560 to get in the movie business, 857 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,066 and to be writers and directors and actors. 858 00:39:11,066 --> 00:39:12,235 Yeah. 859 00:39:12,235 --> 00:39:15,709 [♪] 860 00:39:17,780 --> 00:39:20,318 His shirt maker makes a shirt 861 00:39:20,318 --> 00:39:23,358 that has it pulled underneath like diapers, 862 00:39:23,358 --> 00:39:25,195 and then pulled up on the other end. 863 00:39:25,195 --> 00:39:29,369 [♪] 864 00:39:31,775 --> 00:39:35,114 [♪] 865 00:39:38,288 --> 00:39:39,890 I have to tell you guys... 866 00:39:41,695 --> 00:39:43,932 you kind of changed my life. 867 00:39:45,435 --> 00:39:48,509 Because both of you... 868 00:39:48,509 --> 00:39:52,382 are so inspirational when it comes to risk-taking. 869 00:39:52,382 --> 00:39:55,021 And you-- 870 00:39:55,789 --> 00:39:58,995 Just the idea that you so believed in what you were doing 871 00:39:58,995 --> 00:40:03,404 that you were willing not to sell Rocky if it wasn't on your terms, 872 00:40:03,404 --> 00:40:05,274 and you stuck by that. 873 00:40:05,274 --> 00:40:08,447 And just all the things you did 874 00:40:08,447 --> 00:40:10,552 that seemed so improbable, 875 00:40:10,552 --> 00:40:12,891 that you came to the United States with 20 bucks. 876 00:40:12,891 --> 00:40:16,965 And I knew about this early on in my career, 877 00:40:16,965 --> 00:40:20,205 and it inspired me, and it made me work harder, 878 00:40:20,205 --> 00:40:21,808 and it made me determined. 879 00:40:21,808 --> 00:40:25,215 And this is such an honor. And I mean that. 880 00:40:25,215 --> 00:40:26,717 And I thank you so much 881 00:40:26,717 --> 00:40:30,759 for sitting with me and talking, it means the world to me. 882 00:40:30,759 --> 00:40:33,163 - Well, thank you. That's very nice. - Thank you. 883 00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:41,213 I bet any money Harvey is not ready for this interview. 884 00:40:41,213 --> 00:40:43,251 - He's not ready? - No. No. 885 00:40:43,251 --> 00:40:44,554 - [bleep]. - I guarantee you. 886 00:40:44,554 --> 00:40:46,524 I'm tired of working with amateurs. 887 00:40:47,793 --> 00:40:50,633 - [crew member] You guys did a good job. - Oh, thank you. 888 00:40:50,633 --> 00:40:53,470 We're gonna exchange pacemakers. It'll be great. 889 00:40:53,470 --> 00:40:57,747 [all laughing] 890 00:40:57,747 --> 00:41:00,519 Now Arnold and Sly's medical show. 891 00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:03,390 Here we go. Oh, that's a good idea. 892 00:41:03,390 --> 00:41:06,063 - Autopsies. - [all laughing] 893 00:41:06,063 --> 00:41:10,037 Is this the other jacket he wanted to put on, Jennifer? 894 00:41:10,037 --> 00:41:13,545 Oh, God. Let me see if it's David August. 895 00:41:13,545 --> 00:41:17,620 He's breaking my balls. 'Cause you feel like dressing like the-- 896 00:41:17,620 --> 00:41:20,358 It is David August. What did I say? 897 00:41:20,358 --> 00:41:21,995 On the show, David August. 898 00:41:21,995 --> 00:41:25,234 Oh, my God, you were right. You even knew his designer. 899 00:41:25,234 --> 00:41:26,705 That's hysterical. 900 00:41:26,705 --> 00:41:29,511 Feel this. Cashmere shirt, cashmere jacket. 901 00:41:29,511 --> 00:41:31,246 No, khullu. Get it right. 902 00:41:31,246 --> 00:41:33,050 Oh, my God, you got that to Sly? 903 00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:36,558 - This is unbelievable. I'm telling you. - It's better than cashmere. 904 00:41:36,558 --> 00:41:38,728 Sly has nicer clothes than me, so... 905 00:41:38,728 --> 00:41:41,534 Yeah, he has definitely nicer clothes than all of us. 906 00:41:41,534 --> 00:41:43,371 Look at this. 907 00:41:43,371 --> 00:41:44,774 So I go to visit his set. 908 00:41:44,774 --> 00:41:46,777 So then he goes, and he says, 909 00:41:46,777 --> 00:41:51,688 "Arnold, I don't like when your shirts are baggy here." 910 00:41:51,688 --> 00:41:53,926 So I said, "What am I gonna do about it?" 911 00:41:53,926 --> 00:41:56,998 He said, "Sometimes when you go like this, it pulls out." 912 00:41:56,998 --> 00:41:59,068 Then he said 913 00:41:59,068 --> 00:42:00,138 "Come with me." 914 00:42:00,138 --> 00:42:03,411 He goes in his dressing room, in his trailer, 915 00:42:03,411 --> 00:42:05,214 and he pulls down his pants. 916 00:42:05,214 --> 00:42:06,685 [Levin laughs] 917 00:42:06,685 --> 00:42:08,688 His shirt has something 918 00:42:08,688 --> 00:42:12,730 that goes underneath his crotch 919 00:42:12,730 --> 00:42:15,268 to keep the shirt pulled down. 920 00:42:15,268 --> 00:42:17,139 Who thinks about this? 921 00:42:17,139 --> 00:42:19,577 When he sat down, that's why you said that. 922 00:42:19,577 --> 00:42:21,748 Who thinks about this? 923 00:42:21,748 --> 00:42:23,552 I just ordered another dozen. 924 00:42:23,552 --> 00:42:25,822 He has-- His shirt maker makes a shirt 925 00:42:25,822 --> 00:42:28,828 that has it pulled underneath. It's like diapers. 926 00:42:28,828 --> 00:42:30,766 And then pulled up on the other end 927 00:42:30,766 --> 00:42:33,103 so the shirt stays down, because God forbid 928 00:42:33,103 --> 00:42:36,511 you're doing a movie and there's a wrinkle in the shirt. 929 00:42:36,511 --> 00:42:38,515 As if that is not natural. 930 00:42:38,515 --> 00:42:40,552 Magic's in the details, pal. 931 00:42:40,552 --> 00:42:42,723 So this is what goes on here. 932 00:42:42,723 --> 00:42:45,094 Unless you wanna hold my tails down here, pal. 933 00:42:45,094 --> 00:42:48,067 Mr. Cashmere. And look at the shoes. 934 00:42:48,067 --> 00:42:51,908 Look at the alligator [bleep], the loafers. 935 00:42:51,908 --> 00:42:55,381 - All right, man. - All right, thank you, guys. 936 00:42:55,381 --> 00:42:56,517 I feel sorry for you. 937 00:42:56,517 --> 00:42:57,754 Goodbye. See you. 938 00:42:57,754 --> 00:42:59,957 [Levin] That was so great.