WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:08.208 Camera six. 3 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:08.333 --> 00:00:09.958 George, you've been through so much. 5 00:00:10.083 --> 00:00:13.208 I don't wish this on anyone. Not--not anyone at all. 6 00:00:13.375 --> 00:00:15.958 All right, this is new. Casey Anthony is speaking out 7 00:00:16.083 --> 00:00:18.500 more than a decade after she was found not guilty 8 00:00:18.625 --> 00:00:20.792 in the murder of her daughter, Caylee. 9 00:00:20.875 --> 00:00:22.583 [Harris] After 15 years, 10 00:00:22.708 --> 00:00:25.500 Casey Anthony has broken her silence with the release 11 00:00:25.625 --> 00:00:27.542 of a documentary series. 12 00:00:27.667 --> 00:00:30.000 She blames her father George for everything 13 00:00:30.083 --> 00:00:32.167 and even implies that he molested 14 00:00:32.333 --> 00:00:35.042 and killed her daughter Caylee. 15 00:00:35.208 --> 00:00:39.250 She even alleges that he concealed Caylee's body 16 00:00:39.375 --> 00:00:42.958 and masterminded the infamous 31 days when she was missing. 17 00:00:43.042 --> 00:00:44.333 [voice breaking] I've gotten blamed 18 00:00:44.458 --> 00:00:46.125 for something I didn't do, and it-- 19 00:00:46.250 --> 00:00:48.000 -I understand that, yeah. -And it tears me up inside. 20 00:00:48.083 --> 00:00:50.042 Desperate to clear his name, 21 00:00:50.167 --> 00:00:52.292 George has agreed to take a polygraph test. 22 00:00:52.375 --> 00:00:53.833 I've had a lot of things happen in my life. 23 00:00:53.958 --> 00:00:55.500 I wouldn't wish that on anyone. 24 00:00:55.667 --> 00:00:57.000 People come by your house, and they threaten you. 25 00:00:57.042 --> 00:00:58.750 They call you names. 26 00:00:58.875 --> 00:01:01.667 [Harris] From hateful tweets to angry voice messages. 27 00:01:01.833 --> 00:01:04.167 [woman] You killed her. You deserve to rot in hell, 28 00:01:04.250 --> 00:01:06.458 and that's gonna happen soon. 29 00:01:06.583 --> 00:01:09.333 [Harris] The stakes are higher than ever for Cindy and George. 30 00:01:09.458 --> 00:01:12.417 If he's found to be untruthful or deceptive... 31 00:01:12.542 --> 00:01:14.000 I couldn't live with him anymore. 32 00:01:14.167 --> 00:01:16.125 I just feel that I really need to leave this world. 33 00:01:16.208 --> 00:01:17.667 [Cindy] 'Cause I'm telling you, 34 00:01:17.750 --> 00:01:19.417 if he blows all this, he can end up in jail. 35 00:01:19.542 --> 00:01:21.333 -This is done. This is done. -Tony-- 36 00:01:21.417 --> 00:01:23.000 -I will not stand here... -Tony, did I... 37 00:01:23.125 --> 00:01:24.833 ...and--and you keep defending her. 38 00:01:24.958 --> 00:01:27.333 If you have anything to do with Caylee's disappearance, 39 00:01:27.417 --> 00:01:28.917 then the polygraph's gonna show that. 40 00:01:29.042 --> 00:01:30.958 So, did you have any active involvement 41 00:01:31.083 --> 00:01:33.042 in Caylee's disappearance? 42 00:01:35.792 --> 00:01:38.708 ♪ 43 00:01:42.333 --> 00:01:45.708 ♪ 44 00:01:50.042 --> 00:01:52.542 There are maybe just a handful of cases 45 00:01:52.667 --> 00:01:55.167 that will always have the public's attention, 46 00:01:55.333 --> 00:01:56.583 and if there are new developments in the story 47 00:01:56.708 --> 00:02:00.250 in any way, shape, or form, people will be interested. 48 00:02:00.375 --> 00:02:03.583 The tragedy all began back in the summer of 2008. 49 00:02:03.708 --> 00:02:07.333 June 16th was the last day Caylee was seen alive. 50 00:02:07.458 --> 00:02:10.958 One month later, Cindy Anthony frantically called 911 51 00:02:11.042 --> 00:02:12.208 and reported her missing. 52 00:02:18.750 --> 00:02:22.083 It didn't take long, but suspicions surrounded Casey 53 00:02:22.208 --> 00:02:24.583 after she was caught lying to police 54 00:02:24.708 --> 00:02:27.167 and was seen partying during the 31 days 55 00:02:27.333 --> 00:02:30.625 of her daughter's unreported disappearance. 56 00:02:30.750 --> 00:02:32.625 [officer] No more lies. What happened to Caylee? 57 00:02:32.708 --> 00:02:34.750 -[Casey] I don't know. -You do know. 58 00:02:34.875 --> 00:02:36.375 -What happened to Caylee? -I don't know where she is. 59 00:02:37.958 --> 00:02:38.458 [Harris] Five months later, Caylee's remains are found 60 00:02:39.625 --> 00:02:41.583 in a garbage bag dumped in the woods 61 00:02:41.708 --> 00:02:43.833 just half a mile from the Anthonys' home. 62 00:02:43.958 --> 00:02:46.417 [reporter] Florida grand jury indicted Casey Anthony 63 00:02:46.542 --> 00:02:48.500 on charges of first degree murder, 64 00:02:48.667 --> 00:02:51.625 aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter, 65 00:02:51.792 --> 00:02:54.208 and four counts of lying to investigators. 66 00:02:54.333 --> 00:02:56.000 [chanting] Justice for Caylee! 67 00:02:56.125 --> 00:02:59.667 [Harris] Caylee's heartbreaking death ignited a media firestorm, 68 00:02:59.750 --> 00:03:02.500 and millions tuned into Casey's televised trial. 69 00:03:02.625 --> 00:03:03.833 [prosecutor, amplified voice] Caylee's death 70 00:03:03.917 --> 00:03:07.625 allowed Casey Anthony to live the good life. 71 00:03:07.708 --> 00:03:11.333 The prosecution argued that Casey grew tired of motherhood 72 00:03:11.500 --> 00:03:14.750 and suffocated her daughter using chloroform and duct tape. 73 00:03:14.875 --> 00:03:17.500 The defense claimed Caylee's death was an accident. 74 00:03:17.667 --> 00:03:19.292 [defense attorney] She never was missing. 75 00:03:19.417 --> 00:03:22.500 Caylee Anthony died on June 16, 2008, 76 00:03:22.667 --> 00:03:24.500 when she drowned in her family's swimming pool. 77 00:03:24.667 --> 00:03:26.792 The defense pointed the finger at George, 78 00:03:26.917 --> 00:03:29.500 accusing him of molesting Casey. 79 00:03:29.625 --> 00:03:31.333 [defense attorney] Sex abuse does things to us. 80 00:03:31.458 --> 00:03:34.208 That will help you understand 81 00:03:34.333 --> 00:03:37.333 why no one knew that her child was dead. 82 00:03:37.500 --> 00:03:39.208 In a shocking turn of events... 83 00:03:39.333 --> 00:03:41.333 [forewoman] We, the jury, find the defendant not guilty. 84 00:03:41.417 --> 00:03:43.208 -[crowd shouting] -Casey Anthony was found 85 00:03:43.333 --> 00:03:45.333 not guilty of first degree murder. 86 00:03:45.500 --> 00:03:48.292 Now the latest twist. 87 00:03:48.417 --> 00:03:52.667 In 2022, Casey Anthony dropped a bombshell with the release 88 00:03:52.750 --> 00:03:56.250 of her documentary series, Where the Truth Lies. 89 00:03:56.375 --> 00:03:57.750 This is the first time 90 00:03:59.375 --> 00:04:00.583 Casey has told her side of the infamous story, 91 00:04:02.250 --> 00:04:04.167 and she not only alleges that her father sexually abused her, 92 00:04:04.292 --> 00:04:06.292 but also her young daughter. 93 00:04:06.375 --> 00:04:08.458 You don't ever wanna see that happen to another kid, 94 00:04:08.583 --> 00:04:10.875 especially not your own. 95 00:04:17.375 --> 00:04:19.708 [Harris] Look, I understand why the Anthonys agreed 96 00:04:19.875 --> 00:04:21.042 to take a polygraph test. 97 00:04:21.167 --> 00:04:22.667 There is a lot at stake here. 98 00:04:22.750 --> 00:04:25.500 They have to pass in order to clear their names. 99 00:04:25.625 --> 00:04:26.917 ♪ 100 00:04:27.042 --> 00:04:31.667 There are two huge areas of this polygraph for George-- 101 00:04:31.792 --> 00:04:33.250 whether or not he had anything to do 102 00:04:34.583 --> 00:04:36.333 with the disappearance of his granddaughter, of Caylee, 103 00:04:36.500 --> 00:04:40.167 and whether or not he abused his daughter and/or Caylee, 104 00:04:40.375 --> 00:04:42.875 and Cindy has long been suspected 105 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:47.083 of helping to hide the truth of Casey's disappearance as well. 106 00:04:47.208 --> 00:04:48.958 I'm watching all these things that you're doing right now, 107 00:04:49.125 --> 00:04:51.042 and it's hurting our case. 108 00:04:51.208 --> 00:04:54.000 It's--It's hurting it because people are looking at you, 109 00:04:54.125 --> 00:04:56.458 and they're--they're seeing how you're changing the story. 110 00:04:56.542 --> 00:04:58.500 We don't need that. We need to then look at you 111 00:04:58.625 --> 00:05:00.667 and say, "This is a strong grandmother." 112 00:05:00.750 --> 00:05:04.000 So, she will also be tested on whether or not 113 00:05:04.083 --> 00:05:06.583 George told her anything about any involvement 114 00:05:06.708 --> 00:05:08.875 he might have had in Caylee's disappearance. 115 00:05:09.042 --> 00:05:12.333 George and Cindy have not watched Casey's documentary 116 00:05:12.500 --> 00:05:14.875 and don't know the extent of the allegations 117 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:16.833 leveled against them. 118 00:05:16.958 --> 00:05:18.875 ♪ 119 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:22.667 I wish the walls of that home where we're headed now... 120 00:05:22.833 --> 00:05:24.500 ♪ 121 00:05:24.583 --> 00:05:27.208 I wish those walls could talk. 122 00:05:27.375 --> 00:05:30.542 ♪ 123 00:05:37.708 --> 00:05:42.250 [Cindy] It's been 15 years since our ordeal, and, um, 124 00:05:42.375 --> 00:05:44.833 it's taken a toll on both of us. 125 00:05:44.917 --> 00:05:49.625 Back in 2018, George had his accident, 126 00:05:49.750 --> 00:05:53.792 so life changed drastically. 127 00:05:53.917 --> 00:05:57.500 [George] I broke my neck in an automobile accident. 128 00:05:57.625 --> 00:06:00.167 I was driving one of our older vehicles. 129 00:06:00.292 --> 00:06:01.708 The left rear axle came out, 130 00:06:01.833 --> 00:06:06.542 and I ended up tumbling three times across the I-4. 131 00:06:06.667 --> 00:06:08.292 ♪♪ 132 00:06:08.417 --> 00:06:10.833 [Cindy] I spent a month up in Daytona with him 133 00:06:10.917 --> 00:06:12.417 while he was going through rehab up there, 134 00:06:12.542 --> 00:06:14.500 and I had to literally bathe him 135 00:06:14.667 --> 00:06:15.958 and take care of him for months. Um... 136 00:06:16.083 --> 00:06:18.667 I mean, there's some days I have a hard time walking, 137 00:06:18.792 --> 00:06:22.167 but I really try to put forth the effort to get through. 138 00:06:22.292 --> 00:06:24.542 'Cause number one is, I don't want her to 139 00:06:24.708 --> 00:06:26.292 keep on worrying about me, which I know she does. 140 00:06:26.417 --> 00:06:28.333 He's gotten to the point where he doesn't 141 00:06:28.458 --> 00:06:30.250 wanna be out and about. 142 00:06:30.375 --> 00:06:31.542 'Cause I'm afraid I'll embarrass her. 143 00:06:31.667 --> 00:06:33.333 Something would happen. 144 00:06:35.875 --> 00:06:40.125 ♪ 145 00:06:40.208 --> 00:06:41.875 [Cindy] For me, it's very relaxing. 146 00:06:42.042 --> 00:06:45.583 There's so many things I can get my hands into or do. 147 00:06:45.708 --> 00:06:50.667 ♪♪ 148 00:06:50.833 --> 00:06:52.500 Zoe, do you know what this is gonna be? 149 00:06:52.625 --> 00:06:54.417 This is gonna be Harry. [gasps] 150 00:06:54.542 --> 00:06:57.208 When we're all done, it's gonna be your brother. 151 00:06:57.375 --> 00:07:04.083 ♪ 152 00:07:04.208 --> 00:07:06.083 This used to be Casey's room, 153 00:07:06.208 --> 00:07:09.917 and pretty much where Caylee spent most of her time. 154 00:07:10.042 --> 00:07:12.000 ♪ 155 00:07:12.042 --> 00:07:14.375 Being in this room does make me feel close to Caylee. 156 00:07:14.542 --> 00:07:18.500 Um, I've got not just pictures of her, 157 00:07:18.667 --> 00:07:21.042 but, you know, just memories of her being in here, 158 00:07:21.208 --> 00:07:23.167 and she's always with you. 159 00:07:23.375 --> 00:07:25.583 ♪ 160 00:07:25.708 --> 00:07:29.542 This is where my memories are. This is where I raised the kids. 161 00:07:32.708 --> 00:07:34.667 ♪ 162 00:07:34.792 --> 00:07:37.500 Casey was three when we moved here. 163 00:07:37.667 --> 00:07:40.333 Caylee was born here. 164 00:07:40.458 --> 00:07:42.417 We've spent most of our married life here. 165 00:07:42.542 --> 00:07:45.167 We've been married, what, 42 years? 166 00:07:45.208 --> 00:07:47.083 42. 167 00:07:47.208 --> 00:07:51.042 Our memories, as we get older, they tend to fade, 168 00:07:51.167 --> 00:07:53.750 so when you look around, and you see the familiar thing, 169 00:07:53.875 --> 00:07:57.458 it triggers it, and I have to hold on those memories. 170 00:07:57.625 --> 00:08:02.667 This is why this house means a lot to me. 171 00:08:02.833 --> 00:08:05.625 This is where we keep Caylee's ashes. 172 00:08:05.708 --> 00:08:07.083 ♪♪ 173 00:08:07.250 --> 00:08:10.000 Then I could put little things that remind me of her 174 00:08:10.167 --> 00:08:11.667 inside the box, 175 00:08:11.792 --> 00:08:14.333 and then, of course, have a picture of her. 176 00:08:14.417 --> 00:08:17.667 And I always loved-- with her peeking out, 177 00:08:17.750 --> 00:08:19.750 I mean, we captured her on camera so many times, 178 00:08:19.875 --> 00:08:21.458 and I thought, this one just reminded me 179 00:08:21.583 --> 00:08:24.667 of her in the kitchen in the morning. 180 00:08:24.750 --> 00:08:26.917 After her bath in the morning, she'd come out, 181 00:08:27.042 --> 00:08:30.333 and she'd want, you know, her cereal or whatever. 182 00:08:30.417 --> 00:08:32.833 And, um, a lot of times afterwards, 183 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:35.042 she'd get under the high chair and play peekaboo with me. 184 00:08:35.167 --> 00:08:38.875 So, that was one of my favorite pictures of her. 185 00:08:39.042 --> 00:08:42.875 ♪ 186 00:08:43.042 --> 00:08:44.042 [sighs] 187 00:08:44.208 --> 00:08:47.000 ♪ 188 00:08:49.250 --> 00:08:50.833 [voice breaking] I mean, the reason we picked cremation 189 00:08:50.958 --> 00:08:57.750 is because she wasn't whole anymore, and, um... 190 00:08:57.875 --> 00:09:00.708 I know she's in heaven, and I know she's looking down on us. 191 00:09:00.875 --> 00:09:03.833 She's her--the guardian angel that keep--kept George alive 192 00:09:03.958 --> 00:09:06.167 five years ago during his accident. 193 00:09:06.333 --> 00:09:07.958 ♪ 194 00:09:08.042 --> 00:09:10.208 [George] I've seen Caylee two times in this house 195 00:09:10.375 --> 00:09:13.333 since she passed away. 196 00:09:13.458 --> 00:09:15.000 The very first time, she was tapping. 197 00:09:15.125 --> 00:09:16.833 I was laying in bed. She tapped me on the-- 198 00:09:16.917 --> 00:09:17.667 right on the forehead with her little fingers. 199 00:09:17.792 --> 00:09:20.167 Said, "Jojo up, Jojo, up." 200 00:09:20.292 --> 00:09:23.000 And it wasn't too much after that 201 00:09:23.125 --> 00:09:25.542 I saw her one more time. It was just to let me know, 202 00:09:25.708 --> 00:09:27.250 "Jojo, I love you. See you soon." 203 00:09:27.417 --> 00:09:30.542 And she was gone. 204 00:09:30.667 --> 00:09:32.250 No one could take that away from me. 205 00:09:32.375 --> 00:09:36.750 ♪ 206 00:09:44.333 --> 00:09:46.667 Well, in the beginning, 207 00:09:46.792 --> 00:09:49.167 we had heard rumors that Casey might be doing something, 208 00:09:49.292 --> 00:09:51.917 but I never thought that she would, because she had told me 209 00:09:52.042 --> 00:09:55.833 that she was never going to exploit Caylee's name. 210 00:09:55.958 --> 00:09:58.000 Well, when I saw that it was coming on, 211 00:09:58.042 --> 00:10:00.167 I said, I'm not watching this crap. 212 00:10:00.250 --> 00:10:03.917 And if this is what she wants to do, that's fine. 213 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:07.000 But as time went on, especially with, you know, 214 00:10:07.083 --> 00:10:11.083 people now being hateful with accusations-- 215 00:10:11.208 --> 00:10:15.833 did George, uh, molest Casey? Did he molest Caylee? 216 00:10:15.917 --> 00:10:18.500 And we were like, what the... You know... 217 00:10:18.625 --> 00:10:20.083 -Sure did. I said that word. -What? 218 00:10:20.208 --> 00:10:23.667 Where is this coming out of? And we thought, this is crazy. 219 00:10:23.833 --> 00:10:27.000 So, you know, maybe we should address these, you know? 220 00:10:27.083 --> 00:10:28.583 When her and I keep on really trying 221 00:10:28.708 --> 00:10:30.667 to get our lives together, 222 00:10:30.792 --> 00:10:34.000 have happiness in our lives, I'll get a text message-- 223 00:10:34.167 --> 00:10:37.500 something just so terrible to read. 224 00:10:37.583 --> 00:10:41.458 Saying pedophile, "You effing this" 225 00:10:41.542 --> 00:10:42.917 and Cindy is this and that. 226 00:10:43.042 --> 00:10:45.500 That baby girl deserves justice, 227 00:10:45.625 --> 00:10:47.500 and that won't happen until her grandfather, 228 00:10:47.667 --> 00:10:51.292 who's a pedophile, is behind bars. 229 00:10:51.417 --> 00:10:54.542 And it makes me think, why-- why can somebody believe her 230 00:10:54.667 --> 00:10:56.667 but not believe us? 231 00:10:56.833 --> 00:10:58.542 'Cause Casey-- she still is today. 232 00:10:58.625 --> 00:11:00.750 She lies about everything. 233 00:11:00.875 --> 00:11:03.042 I want to have a polygraph 234 00:11:03.208 --> 00:11:04.875 because it's gonna prove one thing. 235 00:11:05.042 --> 00:11:08.333 I never did anything to harm my daughter or my granddaughter. 236 00:11:08.500 --> 00:11:11.292 ♪ 237 00:11:16.458 --> 00:11:18.792 [knocks on door] 238 00:11:18.917 --> 00:11:22.083 [Cindy] Nice to meet you, Mr. Harris. 239 00:11:22.208 --> 00:11:24.417 [Harris] Thank you for having me in your home. 240 00:11:24.542 --> 00:11:28.083 I was surprised to get the call that you were willing to talk 241 00:11:28.208 --> 00:11:30.083 and that you were willing to talk to me. Thank you. 242 00:11:30.208 --> 00:11:34.000 Uh, George, we're doing the polygraph examination 243 00:11:34.125 --> 00:11:39.000 with you today in just a short period of time. 244 00:11:39.125 --> 00:11:42.667 And, Cindy, you'll be taking one, too. 245 00:11:42.833 --> 00:11:45.625 And I have to ask you both, 246 00:11:45.750 --> 00:11:47.708 why--why do you wanna have this conversation? 247 00:11:47.833 --> 00:11:50.625 The polygraph is gonna give me some satisfaction to know 248 00:11:50.750 --> 00:11:53.708 that I did everything that I possibly could 249 00:11:53.875 --> 00:11:55.667 to prove that, number one, I never assaulted 250 00:11:55.875 --> 00:11:57.375 or hurt my daughter in any way, 251 00:11:57.500 --> 00:12:00.417 and I certainly didn't do anything to my granddaughter. 252 00:12:00.542 --> 00:12:03.000 -Cindy? -I want people to understand. 253 00:12:03.125 --> 00:12:05.500 I want Casey to hear how we feel 254 00:12:05.625 --> 00:12:09.250 about what she's said and what she's done. 255 00:12:09.417 --> 00:12:12.500 And we're gonna get to the truth once and for all. 256 00:12:12.667 --> 00:12:13.833 ♪ 257 00:12:18.708 --> 00:12:20.958 [Harris] So, we're doing the polygraph today. 258 00:12:21.083 --> 00:12:26.125 -Yes. -What if the results 259 00:12:26.292 --> 00:12:28.708 aren't what you hope? 260 00:12:31.500 --> 00:12:35.125 [sighs] I'll just feel that I really need to leave this world. 261 00:12:35.250 --> 00:12:38.667 ♪ 262 00:12:38.833 --> 00:12:41.333 I used to think I was very strong emotionally. 263 00:12:41.500 --> 00:12:44.167 When we had this thing that changed our family, 264 00:12:44.292 --> 00:12:46.917 I said, "Cindy," I said, "I have failed. 265 00:12:47.042 --> 00:12:50.833 I have failed on being the guy that I should be." 266 00:12:50.917 --> 00:12:53.000 Having a polygraph test-- 267 00:12:53.125 --> 00:12:56.833 that would be a validation that I am the guy who I used to be, 268 00:12:56.958 --> 00:12:59.500 the guy that could be counted on to help a neighbor, 269 00:12:59.625 --> 00:13:02.750 to love his wife, love my son. 270 00:13:02.875 --> 00:13:05.000 Even at one time, I really loved my daughter. 271 00:13:05.125 --> 00:13:08.708 But if I don't pass it, how can I stay around anymore? 272 00:13:08.875 --> 00:13:14.417 I...I wouldn't wanna go on after this. 273 00:13:14.542 --> 00:13:19.500 So, we've got an amazingly experienced examiner 274 00:13:19.583 --> 00:13:22.792 who believes it's best performed 275 00:13:22.917 --> 00:13:25.708 before you hear Casey's allegations. 276 00:13:25.833 --> 00:13:27.542 [Cindy] Because of the emotions? 277 00:13:27.708 --> 00:13:29.875 In short, yes. George, you will be asked 278 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:31.917 two sets of questions. -Yes. 279 00:13:32.042 --> 00:13:34.292 The first will address the sexual abuse allegations, 280 00:13:34.417 --> 00:13:37.750 and the second will address whether you were involved 281 00:13:37.875 --> 00:13:40.333 in Caylee's disappearance in any way. 282 00:13:40.458 --> 00:13:42.167 -So, if you're good with that? -Yes, sir, I am. 283 00:13:42.250 --> 00:13:44.083 -I'm 100% ready to do it. -Cindy? 284 00:13:44.250 --> 00:13:45.333 -Yes? -Yours will address whether 285 00:13:45.500 --> 00:13:49.250 George told you anything about any involvement 286 00:13:49.375 --> 00:13:51.500 he might have had in Caylee's disappearance. 287 00:13:51.583 --> 00:13:53.042 -Sounds good. -Let's go. 288 00:13:55.292 --> 00:13:57.042 [door creaks] 289 00:14:00.333 --> 00:14:03.208 ♪ 290 00:14:05.708 --> 00:14:07.208 [Harris] This looks like 291 00:14:07.333 --> 00:14:09.000 a wonderfully peaceful neighborhood. 292 00:14:09.125 --> 00:14:12.583 Now, what was this like when your neighborhood 293 00:14:12.708 --> 00:14:16.500 had essentially been turned into a media encampment? 294 00:14:16.625 --> 00:14:20.208 The worst part wasn't the media. It was the protesters. 295 00:14:20.333 --> 00:14:21.917 [man] Baby killer! 296 00:14:22.042 --> 00:14:23.792 [reporter] The yelling--harsh. 297 00:14:23.917 --> 00:14:25.750 The signs--reading everything 298 00:14:25.833 --> 00:14:27.542 from "Honk if you think she did it!" 299 00:14:27.625 --> 00:14:29.167 [horn honks] 300 00:14:29.292 --> 00:14:32.083 ...to "Casey is a killer!"-- not much better. 301 00:14:32.208 --> 00:14:35.208 [Cindy] The day that Casey was arrested, 302 00:14:35.375 --> 00:14:37.750 the sheriff's department drove right up-- 303 00:14:37.875 --> 00:14:39.417 three vehicles on our front yard, 304 00:14:39.542 --> 00:14:42.375 and they made a spectacle out of it on purpose. 305 00:14:42.458 --> 00:14:44.292 [woman] Baby killer! 306 00:14:44.375 --> 00:14:47.333 Within that first month, I had an anxiety attack. 307 00:14:47.500 --> 00:14:49.917 -I got trapped by this reporter. -[siren whoops] 308 00:14:50.042 --> 00:14:52.833 Well, I had never had any panic attacks in my life 309 00:14:52.917 --> 00:14:57.167 prior to Caylee's disappearance. 310 00:14:57.250 --> 00:15:00.208 And I developed post-traumatic stress disorder. 311 00:15:00.375 --> 00:15:03.333 I had to go through years of therapy, 312 00:15:03.458 --> 00:15:05.500 and it's taken a toll on both of us. 313 00:15:05.667 --> 00:15:08.292 And forgive me for asking the most basic question, 314 00:15:08.417 --> 00:15:11.000 but how are you two? 315 00:15:11.208 --> 00:15:12.792 Oh, we've--we've had our moments. 316 00:15:12.875 --> 00:15:14.000 [Cindy] We have good days and bad days. Um-- 317 00:15:14.125 --> 00:15:15.542 Yeah, that's for sure. 318 00:15:20.042 --> 00:15:22.000 Listen, I understand 319 00:15:22.083 --> 00:15:25.000 that everybody processes things differently. 320 00:15:25.125 --> 00:15:27.083 George and I went through something very traumatic. 321 00:15:27.208 --> 00:15:29.000 Our marriage was fine for the most part, 322 00:15:29.167 --> 00:15:32.250 but when all this happened, we weren't on the same page 323 00:15:32.375 --> 00:15:36.000 even trying to find Caylee and through the trial and all that. 324 00:15:36.125 --> 00:15:39.000 But, I mean, every couple has things. 325 00:15:39.125 --> 00:15:41.000 I take my vows very seriously. 326 00:15:41.083 --> 00:15:43.500 We get comments from a lot of people. 327 00:15:43.625 --> 00:15:45.083 How do you guys stay together? 328 00:15:45.208 --> 00:15:47.000 And my response to them is, it's a daily struggle. 329 00:15:47.125 --> 00:15:49.083 Every day when he says, 330 00:15:49.250 --> 00:15:51.583 "I don't wanna be on this earth," 331 00:15:51.708 --> 00:15:54.042 and I said, "Is it because of me or what's happened? 332 00:15:54.208 --> 00:15:55.667 He says, "It's all of it." 333 00:15:55.792 --> 00:15:58.250 [Harris] Look, I'm just wondering, 334 00:15:58.375 --> 00:16:01.000 what kind of effect do you think this polygraph 335 00:16:01.125 --> 00:16:02.500 will have on your marriage? 336 00:16:02.583 --> 00:16:03.875 ♪♪ 337 00:16:04.042 --> 00:16:08.333 [Cindy] Um...I-I know. 338 00:16:08.417 --> 00:16:13.667 I mean...if there's some inconclusive things, 339 00:16:13.792 --> 00:16:15.083 I understand that. 340 00:16:17.125 --> 00:16:20.792 I mean, I-I would, um... 341 00:16:20.875 --> 00:16:26.000 be shocked if-- if he was deceptive on it. 342 00:16:26.083 --> 00:16:27.333 That would lead to other conversations. 343 00:16:27.542 --> 00:16:29.667 Well, yeah. I mean, yes. 344 00:16:29.833 --> 00:16:31.125 [George] I understand that. 345 00:16:31.292 --> 00:16:34.333 And if I thought that any of this was true, 346 00:16:34.500 --> 00:16:37.083 believe me, we wouldn't be together. 347 00:16:41.500 --> 00:16:43.542 ♪ 348 00:16:43.667 --> 00:16:44.625 [Harris] Okay. 349 00:16:49.958 --> 00:16:52.417 All right. 350 00:16:52.542 --> 00:16:54.958 Uh, obviously, this is where the exam will take place. 351 00:16:55.083 --> 00:16:57.667 Cindy, you and I are gonna go ahead of George 352 00:16:57.833 --> 00:16:59.625 so that we can get set. 353 00:16:59.750 --> 00:17:01.083 -The room can be set. -Okay. 354 00:17:01.208 --> 00:17:04.083 Our examiner can get set, uh, and then you come on in, 355 00:17:04.208 --> 00:17:05.667 and then it'll all begin, all right? 356 00:17:05.833 --> 00:17:07.750 Yep. Good luck. 357 00:17:07.875 --> 00:17:09.458 -Love you. -Love you, too. 358 00:17:09.583 --> 00:17:11.583 Take you this way. 359 00:17:11.708 --> 00:17:14.375 [sighs] 360 00:17:14.542 --> 00:17:17.667 ♪ 361 00:17:23.875 --> 00:17:25.458 Thank you. 362 00:17:25.542 --> 00:17:27.292 There. 363 00:17:28.542 --> 00:17:33.000 ♪ 364 00:17:33.083 --> 00:17:34.958 [door creaks] 365 00:17:35.083 --> 00:17:36.333 -Hey there. -Hello. How are you? 366 00:17:36.417 --> 00:17:37.917 -Good to meet you, sir. -Good to meet you. 367 00:17:38.042 --> 00:17:39.875 Come on in here. Just come around here. 368 00:17:40.042 --> 00:17:42.000 My name is George Olivo. 369 00:17:42.083 --> 00:17:44.958 All right. I'm a retired FBI special agent, 370 00:17:45.042 --> 00:17:47.583 and I was a senior polygraph examiner 371 00:17:47.708 --> 00:17:49.375 for the Los Angeles division of the FBI 372 00:17:49.500 --> 00:17:53.167 from 2011 until I retired in 2020. 373 00:17:53.333 --> 00:17:55.250 I just want you to know I'm not here to judge you today. 374 00:17:55.375 --> 00:17:56.708 -I understand. -In fact, let's work together 375 00:17:56.833 --> 00:17:58.333 and resolve it today. -That's what I'm hoping for. 376 00:17:58.458 --> 00:18:00.000 -Yes. -All right. That means we gotta 377 00:18:00.125 --> 00:18:01.833 be 100% honest with each other. Okay? 378 00:18:01.958 --> 00:18:03.125 -Absolutely. -All right, perfect. 379 00:18:04.208 --> 00:18:05.042 So, I recommended that Cindy and George 380 00:18:06.042 --> 00:18:07.167 take their polygraph examinations 381 00:18:08.708 --> 00:18:12.458 before they hear the allegations from--from their daughter Casey, 382 00:18:12.542 --> 00:18:15.500 uh, because the allegations were very, very strong, 383 00:18:15.625 --> 00:18:19.375 and it's going to cause a lot of emotions. 384 00:18:19.500 --> 00:18:21.083 And at the end of the day, I'd like to have 385 00:18:21.167 --> 00:18:22.792 the most accurate results possible 386 00:18:22.917 --> 00:18:24.208 and not muddy the water 387 00:18:24.375 --> 00:18:26.000 with allegations from their own daughter 388 00:18:26.042 --> 00:18:28.458 before they take a test regarding those things. 389 00:18:28.542 --> 00:18:30.292 George, I want to ask you about you. 390 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:33.083 Uh, on a scale of one to 10, you're a 10 on honesty, right? 391 00:18:34.333 --> 00:18:34.433 -[George] I'm a 10. -You tell the-- 392 00:18:35.375 --> 00:18:35.625 You're not here to tell the truth 393 00:18:36.542 --> 00:18:37.083 only when it's convenient, right? 394 00:18:38.250 --> 00:18:38.292 No, not just what's convenient. No, 'cause-- 395 00:18:39.375 --> 00:18:39.458 So you're here to tell the truth all the time 396 00:18:40.375 --> 00:18:41.208 and be a 10 for me today, right? 397 00:18:42.333 --> 00:18:43.500 Yes. Because I, number one, I have to. 398 00:18:45.250 --> 00:18:45.333 Got no reason to doubt you. But let's just be clear. 399 00:18:46.250 --> 00:18:48.167 If you have anything to do 400 00:18:48.333 --> 00:18:50.208 with Caylee's disappearance, 401 00:18:50.333 --> 00:18:51.667 then the polygraph's gonna show that. 402 00:18:51.750 --> 00:18:53.792 You can think of polygraph 403 00:18:53.958 --> 00:18:56.042 as a fancy tape recorder. 404 00:18:56.167 --> 00:18:57.875 Rather than recording the voice, 405 00:18:58.042 --> 00:19:00.542 polygraph records physiology, what the body is saying, 406 00:19:00.708 --> 00:19:03.000 to determine if the person's telling the truth or not. 407 00:19:03.167 --> 00:19:04.375 If you've got nothing to hide from me today, 408 00:19:04.542 --> 00:19:06.042 the exam's gonna show that as well. 409 00:19:06.208 --> 00:19:07.333 Physiology are things like heart rate, 410 00:19:07.458 --> 00:19:10.000 sweat gland activity, respiration, 411 00:19:10.083 --> 00:19:11.833 the information that the body gives off 412 00:19:11.958 --> 00:19:14.292 when it's reacting to a stimuli. 413 00:19:14.417 --> 00:19:17.167 -Are you a little nervous? -[sighs] 414 00:19:17.333 --> 00:19:19.000 Someone is being truthful, 415 00:19:19.083 --> 00:19:20.708 then physiology ticks along normally, 416 00:19:20.792 --> 00:19:22.375 and the diagnostic features 417 00:19:22.500 --> 00:19:24.333 look kind of like a river just trickling along. 418 00:19:24.500 --> 00:19:26.500 Doesn't change course. Keeps moving in the same direction. 419 00:19:26.542 --> 00:19:29.458 When someone's deceptive, and they know it, they're lying, 420 00:19:29.583 --> 00:19:31.500 the thought process is, oh, my gosh, 421 00:19:31.667 --> 00:19:33.875 "What's gonna happen to me if I get caught? I know I did this," 422 00:19:34.042 --> 00:19:36.708 and so instead of a river, it looks more like a volcano. 423 00:19:36.833 --> 00:19:38.667 How do you think you'll do on this exam regarding 424 00:19:38.750 --> 00:19:41.583 Caylee's disappearance? -I hope I get a 10. 425 00:19:41.708 --> 00:19:43.917 [sniffles], voice breaking] I would cry. 426 00:19:44.042 --> 00:19:45.333 ♪ 427 00:19:45.417 --> 00:19:47.750 I would probably fall down here, and I would cry. 428 00:19:47.875 --> 00:19:50.333 Okay. 429 00:19:50.542 --> 00:19:51.833 'Cause I've gotten blamed for something I didn't do. 430 00:19:51.917 --> 00:19:53.292 -I understand that, yeah. -And it tears me up inside. 431 00:19:53.417 --> 00:19:55.000 I understand that. 432 00:19:55.167 --> 00:19:57.167 The average accuracy rate 433 00:19:57.375 --> 00:20:00.417 for polygraph is between 85 and 90%. 434 00:20:00.542 --> 00:20:02.417 Because unlike the spoken word, 435 00:20:02.542 --> 00:20:04.917 we say the physiology always tells the truth. 436 00:20:05.042 --> 00:20:06.667 In other words, the body never lies. 437 00:20:06.833 --> 00:20:09.167 If he's not telling the truth, he's not gonna pass. 438 00:20:09.292 --> 00:20:14.125 He knows how important it is to be exonerated by this. 439 00:20:14.250 --> 00:20:16.333 So, here's the thing about today, George. 440 00:20:16.417 --> 00:20:19.042 I mean, I know that it's emotional and everything else. 441 00:20:19.167 --> 00:20:21.667 But today's not about how much you're hurting. 442 00:20:21.792 --> 00:20:23.708 Today is only about telling the truth. 443 00:20:23.875 --> 00:20:25.833 ♪ 444 00:20:30.208 --> 00:20:33.292 ♪ 445 00:20:45.917 --> 00:20:49.500 So, Casey has, uh, claimed that when she was young, 446 00:20:49.583 --> 00:20:53.250 you came in the room and--and molested her. 447 00:20:53.375 --> 00:20:55.833 So, there's two parts to this test. 448 00:20:56.042 --> 00:20:57.333 They're like two sides of a coin. 449 00:20:57.417 --> 00:20:59.333 Both sides are equally important. 450 00:20:59.375 --> 00:21:01.667 So, the first side answers the question, did you do it? 451 00:21:01.792 --> 00:21:04.208 The other part answers the question, 452 00:21:04.333 --> 00:21:06.750 do you fit the profile of a person that would do that? 453 00:21:06.875 --> 00:21:08.833 Well, the pre-test interview is where we discuss 454 00:21:08.917 --> 00:21:10.542 all the issues, tell 'em everything they need to know. 455 00:21:10.708 --> 00:21:11.917 Wanna try and keep that foot movement 456 00:21:12.042 --> 00:21:13.458 to a minimum. -Yeah. 457 00:21:13.583 --> 00:21:14.833 Try not to move your feet when you answer. 458 00:21:14.958 --> 00:21:16.500 Don't try to convince me with your answer. 459 00:21:16.625 --> 00:21:19.583 That's not necessary. Just soft-spoken "yes" or "no." 460 00:21:19.708 --> 00:21:21.625 We have to make that decision during the pre-test. 461 00:21:21.750 --> 00:21:24.667 Is this person suitable for testing? Are they lucid? 462 00:21:24.792 --> 00:21:26.833 Are they able to sit through this test 463 00:21:26.917 --> 00:21:28.417 and focus and pay attention? 464 00:21:28.542 --> 00:21:31.250 You called yourself a 10 on the personal honesty scale, 465 00:21:31.375 --> 00:21:32.833 and you didn't lie about that, right? 466 00:21:34.417 --> 00:21:36.333 You didn't lie about that, right? 467 00:21:36.417 --> 00:21:38.167 Yes. I mean, I didn't lie about it, no. I'm sorry. 468 00:21:38.292 --> 00:21:40.042 -Okay. All right. -I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 469 00:21:40.208 --> 00:21:41.542 You got me worried there for a minute. 470 00:21:43.042 --> 00:21:44.250 During a legitimate exam, there are no surprises. 471 00:21:45.333 --> 00:21:45.875 We actually go over every single question 472 00:21:47.292 --> 00:21:47.792 so they know exactly what they're gonna be asked. 473 00:21:48.708 --> 00:21:49.625 Because if they're not comfortable, 474 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:51.750 or they don't really understand what I'm getting at, 475 00:21:52.875 --> 00:21:54.625 then we're not gonna have accurate results. 476 00:21:54.750 --> 00:21:57.417 You've been married to Cindy now for how long? 477 00:21:57.542 --> 00:21:59.250 -42 years. -Congratulations. 478 00:21:59.417 --> 00:22:00.375 You have never cheated on Cindy? 479 00:22:00.542 --> 00:22:01.625 No. 480 00:22:01.708 --> 00:22:04.708 Even an-- even an emotional affair, right? 481 00:22:04.833 --> 00:22:06.000 -I haven't. -Okay. 482 00:22:06.167 --> 00:22:07.917 -I have not. -All right. 483 00:22:08.042 --> 00:22:10.167 Have you always been a 10 on the sexual integrity scale? 484 00:22:10.250 --> 00:22:11.625 -[Cindy] No. -[Olivo] Yes? 485 00:22:11.750 --> 00:22:14.208 -Yes. -Yes. 486 00:22:14.333 --> 00:22:16.500 No. When we were separated, he wanted to date. 487 00:22:16.667 --> 00:22:20.500 I guess when you're separated, it doesn't count. I don't know. 488 00:22:24.083 --> 00:22:26.875 How do you think he's feeling? 489 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:29.667 As long as he will take his time 490 00:22:29.750 --> 00:22:32.625 and pay attention, he'll do fine. 491 00:22:32.750 --> 00:22:35.583 If he's found to be untruthful or deceptive 492 00:22:35.708 --> 00:22:37.333 about those critical questions-- -Those would be hard. 493 00:22:37.500 --> 00:22:40.667 That would be like a mind-blowing type thing. 494 00:22:40.750 --> 00:22:43.083 -That would require you to-- -[Cindy] Look at everything. 495 00:22:43.208 --> 00:22:45.333 -To look at everything. -I think so. 496 00:22:45.458 --> 00:22:47.667 It could mark the end of your relationship with him? 497 00:22:47.750 --> 00:22:49.042 Yeah, it could. 498 00:22:49.167 --> 00:22:52.042 ♪♪ 499 00:22:55.500 --> 00:22:57.750 [Harris] So, George's first polygraph test focused 500 00:22:57.917 --> 00:23:01.500 mainly on the allegation that he abused Casey, 501 00:23:01.625 --> 00:23:04.875 and frankly, that's what I'd like to dive into now. 502 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:09.417 So, we're going to watch, uh, your daughter's 503 00:23:09.542 --> 00:23:12.458 telling her version of events, her story. 504 00:23:12.583 --> 00:23:15.167 And we'd agreed you'd watch this for the first time 505 00:23:15.250 --> 00:23:17.583 after the polygraph 506 00:23:17.708 --> 00:23:20.958 so that it wouldn't upset you and possibly impact the results. 507 00:23:21.042 --> 00:23:22.667 ♪♪ 508 00:23:22.792 --> 00:23:24.625 Um... but--but I'm sensing some tension 509 00:23:24.708 --> 00:23:26.167 after yesterday's polygraph. -Yeah. 510 00:23:26.292 --> 00:23:27.542 -Sure are. -And-- 511 00:23:27.708 --> 00:23:29.417 [Cindy] And they can change our life. 512 00:23:29.542 --> 00:23:31.708 They can change our life. This is serious. 513 00:23:33.500 --> 00:23:37.958 [Harris] You both ready to hear her allegations? 514 00:23:38.042 --> 00:23:40.500 I want to go on as long as George feels comfortable. 515 00:23:40.625 --> 00:23:41.917 I--this--that's... 516 00:23:42.042 --> 00:23:45.583 Taylor, can we just angle this a little bit? 517 00:23:45.750 --> 00:23:48.000 Just pull this side out a little 518 00:23:48.125 --> 00:23:51.917 so George is this way instead of having it back? 519 00:23:52.042 --> 00:23:54.542 You wanna see before we get started? 520 00:23:56.917 --> 00:23:59.167 Okay, Erica, you don't even want to try it. 521 00:23:59.333 --> 00:24:01.833 I'm not moving this. I'm not moving this. 522 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:03.292 I want to move him this way so that he can see. 523 00:24:03.458 --> 00:24:06.833 I said, we can--can we try it? 524 00:24:06.917 --> 00:24:09.000 I didn't say to do it. I said, can we try it? 525 00:24:09.167 --> 00:24:10.417 [producer] Let's try it. Let's see what happens. 526 00:24:10.542 --> 00:24:12.417 I'm not even getting any consideration. 527 00:24:12.542 --> 00:24:14.125 I don't want to make this harder than it is, 528 00:24:14.250 --> 00:24:16.083 and that's not very much. 529 00:24:16.208 --> 00:24:17.833 I'm trying to help him 530 00:24:17.917 --> 00:24:20.750 because if he blows all this, he can end up in jail. 531 00:24:20.875 --> 00:24:22.708 I don't need Erica coming up here and saying, 532 00:24:22.833 --> 00:24:25.000 "No, you can't do that and then... no." 533 00:24:25.167 --> 00:24:27.375 ♪ 534 00:24:27.542 --> 00:24:30.167 [sighs] 535 00:24:30.250 --> 00:24:33.083 She wants to control all the time. 536 00:24:33.208 --> 00:24:35.792 Cindy's very controlling. I'll admit that completely. 537 00:24:35.917 --> 00:24:38.083 I'd rather have a wife that's controlling than the one 538 00:24:38.208 --> 00:24:40.333 that just, "Okay, you do what you need to do." 539 00:24:40.542 --> 00:24:42.333 I'd want someone to be strong. 540 00:24:42.542 --> 00:24:45.417 Let's, uh... Let's try to start watching. 541 00:24:45.542 --> 00:24:46.708 -[crew speaking indistinctly] -[sighs] 542 00:24:46.875 --> 00:24:48.250 All right. 543 00:24:48.375 --> 00:24:51.000 [crew member] All ready. 544 00:24:51.083 --> 00:24:53.417 -Everybody set? Everybody ready? -[crew member] Yeah. 545 00:24:53.542 --> 00:24:56.917 He's happy. I'm happy. We're good. I got ya. 546 00:24:57.083 --> 00:24:59.208 I just want you to-- to take a deep breath. 547 00:24:59.375 --> 00:25:05.167 Your daughter is suggesting, in pretty vivid detail, 548 00:25:05.292 --> 00:25:06.833 the kind of dysfunction 549 00:25:06.958 --> 00:25:09.625 that she says was a part of her upbringing. 550 00:25:09.708 --> 00:25:12.917 I need you to brace yourself because the allegations 551 00:25:13.042 --> 00:25:14.750 you're about to hear are pretty intense. 552 00:25:14.875 --> 00:25:16.958 [clicks] 553 00:25:17.042 --> 00:25:19.333 [Casey] My nightmare last night-- 554 00:25:19.458 --> 00:25:22.833 it was similar to other things that happened to me growing up. 555 00:25:22.958 --> 00:25:25.333 [reporter] What was the nightmare last night? 556 00:25:25.542 --> 00:25:28.500 My father was holding me down and raping me. 557 00:25:28.625 --> 00:25:31.625 [under breath] Jesus Christ. Come on. 558 00:25:31.708 --> 00:25:37.500 That happens again and again and again. 559 00:25:37.583 --> 00:25:39.542 When I was eight years old, 560 00:25:39.625 --> 00:25:42.708 my father started to come into my room at night. 561 00:25:42.833 --> 00:25:44.875 I was physically hurt, 562 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:47.333 and I can't tell Mommy what happened. 563 00:25:47.458 --> 00:25:50.167 She never called me "Mommy." She always called me "Mom." 564 00:25:50.208 --> 00:25:53.042 She'll get mad at me. That's what I was told. 565 00:25:53.208 --> 00:25:54.625 Wow. 566 00:25:56.500 --> 00:25:58.667 Wow. 567 00:26:02.708 --> 00:26:05.000 You have any thoughts about watching her, 568 00:26:05.167 --> 00:26:08.875 seeing her in this light, telling her version of events? 569 00:26:08.958 --> 00:26:10.750 It hurts. 570 00:26:10.875 --> 00:26:13.333 What she's saying is what you did to her... 571 00:26:13.458 --> 00:26:14.708 I know. 572 00:26:14.875 --> 00:26:18.042 ...was so horrid that she repressed it. 573 00:26:18.208 --> 00:26:20.333 Yeah, I know. It, uh... 574 00:26:20.458 --> 00:26:22.375 It's a good fabrication on her part. 575 00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:25.708 First thing is, I know she's lying. You know she's lying. 576 00:26:25.875 --> 00:26:30.000 For all the years she lived in this house with us, 577 00:26:30.167 --> 00:26:32.333 we were always... 578 00:26:32.458 --> 00:26:35.833 happy with each other. 579 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.208 [Cindy] Hey, guys. I wanna get--oh! 580 00:26:38.375 --> 00:26:41.292 ♪ 581 00:26:41.375 --> 00:26:44.583 [all] ♪ Happy birthday to you 582 00:26:44.708 --> 00:26:48.083 ♪ Happy birthday to you 583 00:26:48.208 --> 00:26:52.375 To hear her make comments about our family hurt me, 584 00:26:52.500 --> 00:26:53.875 and I know it hurt him. 585 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:57.500 We were a loving family. Every family has ups and downs, 586 00:26:57.667 --> 00:26:59.542 but we were always able to get through it. 587 00:26:59.708 --> 00:27:02.792 Aw. He's cute. 588 00:27:02.917 --> 00:27:04.417 -[George] Look at him. -[Cindy] Aw, that's a cave... 589 00:27:04.542 --> 00:27:08.667 -That's a cavewoman. -[laughing] 590 00:27:08.833 --> 00:27:10.792 I need a bigger room. 591 00:27:10.958 --> 00:27:13.000 -Yeah, you do. Just for this. -[George] Yeah. 592 00:27:13.167 --> 00:27:15.417 Thank you all very much. 593 00:27:15.542 --> 00:27:16.792 I can't understand how someone 594 00:27:16.917 --> 00:27:17.875 her and I brought into this world-- 595 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:21.208 we did everything we could for her. 596 00:27:21.375 --> 00:27:22.917 How could this have happened? 597 00:27:23.042 --> 00:27:25.667 ♪♪ 598 00:27:25.792 --> 00:27:28.208 Well, here's the thing, too. 599 00:27:28.375 --> 00:27:30.375 There's no physical way for him 600 00:27:30.542 --> 00:27:33.167 to have sexual intercourse three times, 601 00:27:33.292 --> 00:27:37.750 three to four times a week in that room without hearing it. 602 00:27:37.875 --> 00:27:42.958 How many feet from your bedroom to where Casey slept? 603 00:27:43.125 --> 00:27:45.625 What, 30? And we always had our doors open. 604 00:27:45.708 --> 00:27:49.917 Everybody knows how protective I am of my children. 605 00:27:50.083 --> 00:27:53.250 I would have castrated him myself if I thought he did that. 606 00:27:53.375 --> 00:27:55.208 ♪♪ 607 00:27:55.333 --> 00:27:58.708 I look at her right now. 608 00:27:58.833 --> 00:28:00.708 That's not the daughter 609 00:28:00.875 --> 00:28:02.958 that I remember being here at this house. 610 00:28:03.042 --> 00:28:07.125 ♪♪ 611 00:28:11.875 --> 00:28:13.083 [Olivo] All right, so the test is about to begin. 612 00:28:13.208 --> 00:28:14.833 Please remain still. 613 00:28:14.917 --> 00:28:17.792 ♪♪ 614 00:28:24.708 --> 00:28:26.667 Regarding sexual contact with Casey, 615 00:28:26.750 --> 00:28:28.208 Do you intend to lie on this test? 616 00:28:28.375 --> 00:28:31.083 No. 617 00:28:34.250 --> 00:28:36.792 Did you ever have sexual contact with Casey? 618 00:28:38.333 --> 00:28:39.333 No. 619 00:28:42.375 --> 00:28:45.167 Did you ever touch Casey for sexual gratification? 620 00:28:45.250 --> 00:28:49.333 ♪ 621 00:28:49.500 --> 00:28:51.500 No. 622 00:28:51.667 --> 00:28:53.042 ♪ 623 00:28:53.208 --> 00:28:55.250 Have you ever cheated on your wife Cindy? 624 00:28:55.375 --> 00:28:59.583 ♪ 625 00:28:59.708 --> 00:29:01.333 No. 626 00:29:01.417 --> 00:29:03.583 I don't know what the experts say about body language, 627 00:29:03.708 --> 00:29:05.375 but how do you feel about his body language? 628 00:29:05.542 --> 00:29:07.208 [inhales deeply] 629 00:29:08.208 --> 00:29:12.417 If George is uncomfortable, he'll fidget. 630 00:29:12.542 --> 00:29:15.167 What's going on here? 631 00:29:15.333 --> 00:29:18.500 Oh, just trying to figure out what to do with my hands. 632 00:29:18.667 --> 00:29:20.875 [scoffs] 633 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:22.542 Stop moving your feet, George. It's way too much. 634 00:29:22.708 --> 00:29:25.000 [whispers] I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay. 635 00:29:25.167 --> 00:29:27.250 ♪ 636 00:29:27.375 --> 00:29:30.500 Uh, as an adult, have you ever had sexual contact with a minor? 637 00:29:30.667 --> 00:29:32.917 No. 638 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:37.917 This part of the test is over. Please remain still. 639 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:39.375 We're gonna have to do it a few times. 640 00:29:39.542 --> 00:29:40.417 -Yes. I'm ready to go. -[Olivo] You're okay with that. 641 00:29:40.542 --> 00:29:41.958 -All right. -Yes, sir. 642 00:29:42.042 --> 00:29:46.042 Did you ever touch Casey for sexual gratification? 643 00:29:46.208 --> 00:29:48.792 -No. -So, on the polygraph exam, 644 00:29:48.875 --> 00:29:52.000 there's a lot of redundancy built into the protocol. 645 00:29:52.125 --> 00:29:54.583 So, we ask the same questions several times. 646 00:29:54.708 --> 00:29:57.250 Have you ever cheated on your wife Cindy? 647 00:29:57.333 --> 00:29:59.375 -No. -And we come up with basically 648 00:29:59.500 --> 00:30:02.833 a pattern of truthfulness or a pattern of deception. 649 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.167 Have you always been a 10 on the sexual integrity scale? 650 00:30:06.250 --> 00:30:09.083 [George] Yes. 651 00:30:09.208 --> 00:30:12.458 Did you ever have sexual contact with Casey? 652 00:30:12.625 --> 00:30:14.167 ♪ 653 00:30:14.333 --> 00:30:15.167 No. 654 00:30:20.958 --> 00:30:23.167 [Harris] George's first test wasn't-- 655 00:30:23.333 --> 00:30:26.542 really wasn't just about whether or not he abused Casey. 656 00:30:26.708 --> 00:30:30.583 This is crucial, because what Casey says 657 00:30:30.708 --> 00:30:34.500 is that the abuse didn't stop with her. 658 00:30:34.625 --> 00:30:36.875 I'm going to show you a clip from your speech at the funeral. 659 00:30:37.042 --> 00:30:41.333 I stand here today, 660 00:30:41.417 --> 00:30:46.208 proud to be the grandfather of Caylee Marie Anthony, 661 00:30:46.375 --> 00:30:48.167 who not only meant the world to me, 662 00:30:48.292 --> 00:30:51.167 but meant the world to my family 663 00:30:51.333 --> 00:30:53.708 and so many of you that never got a chance 664 00:30:53.875 --> 00:30:59.500 to actually hug her, smell her hair, 665 00:30:59.625 --> 00:31:03.042 smell the sweet sweat when she came in from outside. 666 00:31:03.208 --> 00:31:05.083 Are you [bleep] kidding me? 667 00:31:05.208 --> 00:31:07.125 [George] To hear her call me "Jojo," 668 00:31:07.292 --> 00:31:11.625 I miss that... kiss on the cheek, 669 00:31:11.750 --> 00:31:14.292 that special hug that I tell everyone, 670 00:31:14.417 --> 00:31:17.333 it's so great to get a hug from someone, 671 00:31:17.417 --> 00:31:21.042 but to get a hug from a small child, 672 00:31:21.208 --> 00:31:24.167 that gives me energy like you couldn't imagine. 673 00:31:24.292 --> 00:31:28.125 Oh, I see where she's goin'. 674 00:31:31.333 --> 00:31:33.250 Do you see what she's going at, George? 675 00:31:33.375 --> 00:31:34.833 Yeah. 676 00:31:34.958 --> 00:31:38.292 [voice breaking] That's not normal. 677 00:31:38.375 --> 00:31:42.000 Nothing about that is [bleep] normal! [cries] 678 00:31:44.250 --> 00:31:45.917 You're outright telling the world 679 00:31:46.042 --> 00:31:47.625 that you're a pedophile! 680 00:31:47.708 --> 00:31:50.083 Wow, Casey. 681 00:31:50.208 --> 00:31:52.125 I'm just a little confused. 682 00:31:52.292 --> 00:31:56.542 Uh, this whole statement about the sweet smell of sweat. 683 00:31:56.708 --> 00:31:59.167 ♪ 684 00:31:59.250 --> 00:32:00.667 When I said I smelled her hair 685 00:32:00.833 --> 00:32:03.333 and that sweet sweat that she had, I did. 686 00:32:03.375 --> 00:32:05.292 It was just the truth in my heart, 687 00:32:05.375 --> 00:32:07.000 how I felt about my granddaughter. 688 00:32:07.125 --> 00:32:09.167 Whenever our granddaughter would be outside, 689 00:32:09.333 --> 00:32:11.000 when you got a chance to hold her, 690 00:32:11.125 --> 00:32:13.875 and she would give hugs that were just so fantastic, 691 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:18.292 you would smell just a gentle... 692 00:32:18.417 --> 00:32:21.000 [sighs] 693 00:32:21.167 --> 00:32:22.708 What am I supposed to do, push my granddaughter away 694 00:32:22.875 --> 00:32:24.000 and say, "You stink"? 695 00:32:24.125 --> 00:32:26.708 I felt great to get that hug from her 696 00:32:26.875 --> 00:32:29.375 and have that with me, 697 00:32:29.500 --> 00:32:31.417 but for her to call me what she just called me-- 698 00:32:31.542 --> 00:32:32.542 A pedophile. 699 00:32:34.708 --> 00:32:39.792 Yeah. That was never in my physicality or my brain. 700 00:32:39.875 --> 00:32:41.750 You meant you loved hugging your kids when they were little. 701 00:32:41.875 --> 00:32:43.167 I did. 702 00:32:43.292 --> 00:32:45.042 You love hugging your granddaughter. 703 00:32:45.208 --> 00:32:46.792 But as Casey's writing the narrative... 704 00:32:46.958 --> 00:32:48.875 -You're right. -I see where she 705 00:32:49.042 --> 00:32:51.167 is going to use that against you. 706 00:32:51.292 --> 00:32:54.333 [Harris] Is this the first time you've heard this suggestion 707 00:32:54.417 --> 00:32:57.500 that you were molesting your granddaughter? 708 00:32:57.708 --> 00:32:59.083 Oh, this right here? 709 00:32:59.167 --> 00:33:00.875 Yeah, it's the first--first time I've heard this. 710 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:04.167 Wow. Did you molest Caylee? 711 00:33:04.333 --> 00:33:06.583 Oh, absolutely not. Absolutely not. 712 00:33:06.708 --> 00:33:09.958 So, this is--this is another allegation against you. 713 00:33:10.042 --> 00:33:12.333 Certainly is. 714 00:33:12.500 --> 00:33:16.375 ♪ 715 00:33:16.500 --> 00:33:20.375 I wanna dig into this just a little bit more. 716 00:33:20.500 --> 00:33:22.292 You mind if I take him out on the patio? 717 00:33:22.375 --> 00:33:24.333 -[Cindy] Oh, that's fine. -Okay. 718 00:33:24.500 --> 00:33:27.000 [George] You know, it's very, very hard for a guy 719 00:33:27.083 --> 00:33:28.833 who always loves his children, 720 00:33:28.958 --> 00:33:30.833 did everything I could for them, 721 00:33:30.958 --> 00:33:36.208 but to know that I can't see her anymore. 722 00:33:36.375 --> 00:33:38.000 I've said that a few times in the past, 723 00:33:38.125 --> 00:33:39.833 but that's the truth now. 724 00:33:39.958 --> 00:33:41.917 But she's not a part of my family. 725 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:45.792 I'm sitting here as a father, and I--and--and I'm wondering 726 00:33:45.917 --> 00:33:47.167 what the hell that was like for you, 727 00:33:47.292 --> 00:33:49.083 hearing all of those allegations. 728 00:33:52.708 --> 00:33:54.958 Is there a kernel of truth to any of the allegations 729 00:33:55.042 --> 00:33:56.542 she's leveling against you? 730 00:33:56.708 --> 00:33:57.833 -None. -None? 731 00:33:57.958 --> 00:34:00.083 None. 732 00:34:00.208 --> 00:34:02.792 All I really know is... 733 00:34:02.917 --> 00:34:05.792 [scoffs] 734 00:34:05.958 --> 00:34:07.667 [sighs] 735 00:34:09.542 --> 00:34:12.625 I can't really say I'm gonna survive this moment. 736 00:34:12.708 --> 00:34:16.167 If I die, uh, I know when I die, I know where I'm going. 737 00:34:16.292 --> 00:34:18.333 I don't think Casey's gonna be going in that same place. 738 00:34:18.458 --> 00:34:20.167 I don't--I don't believe that. 739 00:34:20.292 --> 00:34:23.542 Either you're lying, or she's lying. 740 00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:26.292 Well... 741 00:34:26.375 --> 00:34:28.208 And results are coming back. 742 00:34:28.375 --> 00:34:29.792 [sighs] 743 00:34:39.708 --> 00:34:41.458 [Olivo] Okay, so, George, let's take a break, okay? 744 00:34:41.583 --> 00:34:43.417 So, we're done with this portion, okay? 745 00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:45.708 -Okay. -I'm gonna go ahead and, uh, 746 00:34:45.875 --> 00:34:47.333 take the components off of you 747 00:34:47.417 --> 00:34:49.333 because you've been sitting a while. 748 00:34:49.417 --> 00:34:53.458 Feels tense to me. I don't know how you feel, but gosh. 749 00:34:53.542 --> 00:34:55.583 [Harris] So, George has one more exam to go. 750 00:34:55.750 --> 00:34:58.000 [Olivo] Perfect. Let me get that cuff for you. 751 00:34:58.083 --> 00:34:59.792 [Harris] But he's gonna get a bit of a break, 752 00:34:59.917 --> 00:35:01.792 and you'll take your test now. 753 00:35:01.875 --> 00:35:03.167 [sighs] Okay. 754 00:35:03.250 --> 00:35:05.208 [George, strained voice] Oh. 755 00:35:05.375 --> 00:35:08.208 ♪ 756 00:35:16.208 --> 00:35:19.500 Okay, Cindy, it's your turn in the chair. 757 00:35:19.625 --> 00:35:22.125 [laughs] 758 00:35:22.292 --> 00:35:24.167 -We're gonna get through this. -Honey, I know you are. 759 00:35:24.250 --> 00:35:26.417 -Yeah. -I know you are. 760 00:35:26.542 --> 00:35:28.333 [clears throat] 761 00:35:28.458 --> 00:35:29.625 [Olivo] All right, Cindy, you can go ahead and have a seat 762 00:35:31.333 --> 00:35:32.208 and, uh...now I just wanna ask you a couple of questions 763 00:35:33.625 --> 00:35:35.333 about you, all right, to get to know you a little bit better, 764 00:35:35.417 --> 00:35:37.500 make sure that you're fit to take the test today, okay? 765 00:35:37.667 --> 00:35:39.875 How much sleep did you get last night? 766 00:35:40.042 --> 00:35:41.208 Maybe four hours. [sighs] 767 00:35:41.333 --> 00:35:43.250 Feel rested enough to be focused right now? 768 00:35:43.375 --> 00:35:45.500 -Yeah, I believe so. -Okay. Good. Good. 769 00:35:45.667 --> 00:35:48.000 And medications? You--You said you take blood pressure meds? 770 00:35:48.083 --> 00:35:49.667 I take blood pressure medicine, 771 00:35:49.833 --> 00:35:51.583 and I take anxiety medicines. 772 00:35:51.708 --> 00:35:53.667 I have anxiety issues since all of this happened. 773 00:35:53.833 --> 00:35:55.875 -Sure. -I have gone through 774 00:35:56.042 --> 00:35:57.750 post-traumatic stress, um, treatments. 775 00:35:57.833 --> 00:36:02.208 Okay. In terms of you being in control, uh, functional, 776 00:36:02.375 --> 00:36:04.542 how would you rate your mental health on a scale of one to 10? 777 00:36:04.708 --> 00:36:06.375 With this Casey stuff, 778 00:36:06.500 --> 00:36:08.500 I lost control a couple times with her. 779 00:36:08.625 --> 00:36:10.333 -Mm-hmm. -Not where I hurt her. 780 00:36:10.458 --> 00:36:12.333 -Yeah. -But I put her on the floor 781 00:36:12.417 --> 00:36:14.833 and sat on her. -Mm-hmm. 782 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:17.000 So, you lost it. 783 00:36:17.125 --> 00:36:19.042 Well, I mean, I yelled at her. 784 00:36:19.208 --> 00:36:20.667 I wanted to shake her, but I didn't. 785 00:36:20.792 --> 00:36:22.125 -So--So--So, hold on. -So I mean, she's lying, 786 00:36:22.208 --> 00:36:23.292 so my frame of mind is-- 787 00:36:23.417 --> 00:36:24.250 Slow down. Hey, slow down, Cindy. 788 00:36:24.375 --> 00:36:25.667 -Right. -I'm asking you... 789 00:36:25.792 --> 00:36:27.125 -Right. -...about your mental health, 790 00:36:27.250 --> 00:36:28.833 and you're getting way ahead of me here, okay? 791 00:36:28.958 --> 00:36:30.333 -Okay-- -How do you feel mentally, 792 00:36:30.417 --> 00:36:32.333 in terms of being in control on a daily basis? 793 00:36:32.542 --> 00:36:34.083 I--on a daily basis, I feel in control. 794 00:36:34.208 --> 00:36:35.625 You are. Okay. 795 00:36:35.708 --> 00:36:37.750 -That's all I asked you so far. -But it's--right. 796 00:36:37.833 --> 00:36:41.833 [Olivo] When's the last time you saw Casey, your daughter? 797 00:36:41.958 --> 00:36:46.042 [Cindy] The last time I physically saw her was in 2016, 798 00:36:46.208 --> 00:36:48.458 the day that my father died. 799 00:36:48.542 --> 00:36:51.458 She came, and she spent the whole evening with me 800 00:36:51.583 --> 00:36:53.375 and the next day. -How was that? 801 00:36:53.500 --> 00:36:55.375 'Cause he had passed in the morning. It was fine. 802 00:36:55.458 --> 00:36:57.125 I mean, her and I were on good terms. 803 00:36:57.250 --> 00:37:00.125 -We were chatting all the time. -So, what happened? 804 00:37:00.208 --> 00:37:04.083 ♪♪ 805 00:37:04.208 --> 00:37:06.292 [Harris] So at this point, so far, 806 00:37:06.417 --> 00:37:08.875 most of the focus has been on George. 807 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:11.000 But, Cindy, I've got to tell you, 808 00:37:11.083 --> 00:37:12.792 people have long suspected 809 00:37:12.875 --> 00:37:15.125 that you have been hiding the truth as well. 810 00:37:15.250 --> 00:37:17.333 I know there are allegations that she makes 811 00:37:17.458 --> 00:37:20.667 about your relationship and your nature. 812 00:37:20.792 --> 00:37:24.750 Casey's about to point the finger directly at you. 813 00:37:24.875 --> 00:37:29.583 I don't know. She's such a liar. It's in her DNA now. 814 00:37:29.667 --> 00:37:33.000 I wanna see her attached to a lie detector test. 815 00:37:33.083 --> 00:37:34.792 [remote clicks] 816 00:37:34.875 --> 00:37:37.833 What you have to realize about my mom when I was younger, 817 00:37:38.042 --> 00:37:40.458 she was extremely controlling. 818 00:37:40.583 --> 00:37:43.167 She tried to make sure I dressed as young as I possibly could, 819 00:37:43.250 --> 00:37:46.083 to look as young as I possibly could. 820 00:37:46.208 --> 00:37:49.000 It's not just feeling like my mom wanted to keep me a child. 821 00:37:49.167 --> 00:37:50.208 I feel like she was trying to... 822 00:37:51.458 --> 00:37:53.875 yes, keep me from being a sexual being. 823 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.000 Wow. Wow. 824 00:37:57.167 --> 00:37:59.250 Yeah. So... 825 00:37:59.375 --> 00:38:02.792 you were a willing participant in the lie. 826 00:38:02.875 --> 00:38:05.833 Yeah. We talked about me being a little obsessive-compulsive 827 00:38:05.917 --> 00:38:07.500 and keeping the house right 828 00:38:07.625 --> 00:38:09.625 and making sure the kids' clothes were pressed, 829 00:38:09.708 --> 00:38:11.583 'cause I did iron their clothes for 'em. 830 00:38:11.667 --> 00:38:16.042 But it's not about lying about her being sexually abused 831 00:38:16.208 --> 00:38:18.583 or trying to be a perfect family. 832 00:38:18.708 --> 00:38:20.458 She's telling me she's being raped by my husband, 833 00:38:20.583 --> 00:38:23.583 but I won't let her be a little girl. 834 00:38:23.708 --> 00:38:25.333 Now, am I grooming her for her dad? 835 00:38:25.458 --> 00:38:27.208 I don't understand all that. 836 00:38:27.375 --> 00:38:29.375 We've got albums of seeing how she looked. 837 00:38:29.542 --> 00:38:30.833 You can see that I didn't dress her as a three-year-old 838 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:33.208 when she was 16. 839 00:38:33.375 --> 00:38:35.250 [Cindy] Turn around, darlin'. Say hello. 840 00:38:35.375 --> 00:38:36.667 -Hello. -You look beautiful. 841 00:38:36.833 --> 00:38:38.167 Thank you. 842 00:38:38.292 --> 00:38:40.708 Lookit. Casey's on stilts tonight. 843 00:38:40.875 --> 00:38:43.500 I'm gonna break my neck. 844 00:38:43.625 --> 00:38:46.625 Aw, look at how beautiful that little smile is. 845 00:38:46.708 --> 00:38:49.583 -Don't--Don't smooch her... -[laughs] 846 00:38:49.667 --> 00:38:50.458 -...and mess up her... -I'm not. 847 00:38:50.542 --> 00:38:51.458 ...her little bit of-- 848 00:38:51.583 --> 00:38:52.458 You're gonna mess up the makeup. 849 00:38:52.542 --> 00:38:54.500 -I was-- -...or her hair. 850 00:38:54.625 --> 00:38:57.917 [Harris] Let me ask you this. Do you know Caylee's dad? 851 00:38:58.042 --> 00:38:59.375 I have no clue. 852 00:38:59.500 --> 00:39:01.625 First, she blamed her boyfriend, Jesse. 853 00:39:01.708 --> 00:39:04.333 And then after we find out from a paternity test, 854 00:39:04.458 --> 00:39:06.833 it's not Jesse, then she tells me 855 00:39:06.958 --> 00:39:10.875 that it's somebody else who's died in a car accident. 856 00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:14.500 -The story is changing. -Story is constantly changing. 857 00:39:14.708 --> 00:39:16.958 [reporter] How did you get pregnant with Caylee? 858 00:39:17.042 --> 00:39:18.708 I was raped at 18. 859 00:39:18.875 --> 00:39:21.667 Raped at 18? 860 00:39:21.792 --> 00:39:23.042 [reporter] Did you report it to the police? 861 00:39:23.208 --> 00:39:25.667 -No. -Why not? 862 00:39:25.792 --> 00:39:28.042 I wasn't sure anyone would believe me. 863 00:39:28.167 --> 00:39:30.167 Oh, my... I never heard that. 864 00:39:30.250 --> 00:39:33.333 First person that I would have told would have been my mom. 865 00:39:33.500 --> 00:39:35.833 And would she have believed me? 866 00:39:35.958 --> 00:39:38.542 Would she have blamed me? 867 00:39:38.708 --> 00:39:41.500 [Harris] What's your reaction to... 868 00:39:41.583 --> 00:39:42.917 Wow. 869 00:39:43.042 --> 00:39:46.833 ...that the pregnancy was a result of the rape? 870 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:50.500 Maybe she was raped, but why wouldn't she tell me? 871 00:39:50.667 --> 00:39:52.958 She told me when she had sex for the first time, 872 00:39:53.083 --> 00:39:56.250 and did I yell at her? No. We sat on the bed. I hugged her. 873 00:39:56.375 --> 00:39:58.875 I was her buddy. We were best friends. 874 00:40:00.292 --> 00:40:04.875 ♪ 875 00:40:05.042 --> 00:40:06.708 My. 876 00:40:06.833 --> 00:40:09.542 ♪♪ 877 00:40:09.667 --> 00:40:14.833 Casey has left me cards and stuff over the years. 878 00:40:14.958 --> 00:40:20.708 I pulled out most of 'em after... after. 879 00:40:20.833 --> 00:40:23.458 "Truly blessed to have the two of you in my life. 880 00:40:23.583 --> 00:40:26.167 I would have nothing without you." 881 00:40:26.250 --> 00:40:29.000 And she signs it, "Love, Casey Marie." 882 00:40:29.083 --> 00:40:30.667 Mm-hmm. 883 00:40:30.833 --> 00:40:32.417 And this one-- 884 00:40:32.542 --> 00:40:35.208 "Words can't describe how grateful I am for you 885 00:40:35.333 --> 00:40:36.958 and all that you have done. 886 00:40:37.042 --> 00:40:40.125 You have given me so many things to be thankful for. 887 00:40:40.208 --> 00:40:42.792 You are such a great mother and now grandmother, 888 00:40:42.917 --> 00:40:45.292 but most importantly, such a great friend." 889 00:40:45.458 --> 00:40:46.917 [voice breaking] "I have you to thank 890 00:40:47.042 --> 00:40:50.500 for all of my happiness and all my success. 891 00:40:50.625 --> 00:40:53.458 I thank God every day for having you in my life. 892 00:40:53.542 --> 00:40:56.167 I love you, Mom. I'm so proud to be your daughter." 893 00:40:56.333 --> 00:40:58.875 I hadn't read this one lately, 894 00:40:59.042 --> 00:41:02.000 so that was right after Caylee was born. 895 00:41:02.125 --> 00:41:04.625 I was her friend besides mother, 896 00:41:04.750 --> 00:41:06.833 and that's what I always thought. 897 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:08.833 ♪ 898 00:41:08.917 --> 00:41:12.000 Well, that's--that's pretty heartbreaking. 899 00:41:12.125 --> 00:41:15.417 Yeah. Yeah. 900 00:41:15.542 --> 00:41:18.667 And then I... She--She got very hateful. 901 00:41:18.792 --> 00:41:21.833 "I'm going to once again ask to come and retrieve 902 00:41:21.917 --> 00:41:24.750 my daughter's ashes, as well as more of her property 903 00:41:24.875 --> 00:41:26.625 and anything else of mine that's still in your house." 904 00:41:26.708 --> 00:41:28.625 And I text back, "Sorry, 905 00:41:28.750 --> 00:41:31.042 but there is nothing here for you to pick up. 906 00:41:31.167 --> 00:41:32.708 I'm not parting with her ashes. 907 00:41:32.792 --> 00:41:34.708 That's all you gave me of her in the end. 908 00:41:34.833 --> 00:41:38.208 I'm not trying to be mean, but that's how I feel." 909 00:41:38.375 --> 00:41:41.500 This is her response, and this is the ugliest thing ever. 910 00:41:41.625 --> 00:41:47.250 "Stay with your murderous, adulterous, rapist husband. 911 00:41:47.375 --> 00:41:49.833 You don't deserve any part of her, 912 00:41:49.958 --> 00:41:52.500 and you will never again have any part of me. 913 00:41:52.708 --> 00:41:54.792 You choose your husband 914 00:41:54.875 --> 00:41:56.500 over both your grandchild and your children. 915 00:41:56.708 --> 00:41:59.042 Biggest mistake of your life. 916 00:41:59.125 --> 00:42:01.167 I will be there to pick up my daughter's ashes 917 00:42:01.250 --> 00:42:02.958 when you're dead. 918 00:42:03.042 --> 00:42:06.292 Thank you for the ri--reminder of who you really are. 919 00:42:06.417 --> 00:42:09.542 Goodbye. I won't ever reach out again." 920 00:42:09.708 --> 00:42:12.833 It--I-I was so upset, I-I had to text her back. 921 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:16.083 "Your father didn't touch you or Caylee. 922 00:42:16.208 --> 00:42:18.542 You need help. How dare you? 923 00:42:18.667 --> 00:42:21.542 Don't ever say that I don't deserve any part of her. 924 00:42:21.667 --> 00:42:23.833 I fought for her when you put her in the woods 925 00:42:23.958 --> 00:42:26.250 to rot and be eaten by animals and insects. 926 00:42:26.375 --> 00:42:28.542 Live with that." 927 00:42:28.667 --> 00:42:31.208 And then... 928 00:42:31.292 --> 00:42:35.583 I text her the images of Caylee's remains in the woods. 929 00:42:35.708 --> 00:42:38.625 I said, "This is what was left of Caylee when you-- 930 00:42:38.792 --> 00:42:41.417 when found, scattered all over the woods on Suburban. 931 00:42:41.583 --> 00:42:43.042 You put her there." 932 00:42:45.292 --> 00:42:48.167 ♪ 933 00:42:58.417 --> 00:43:02.042 I had always said she could have Caylee's ashes after I pass, 934 00:43:02.208 --> 00:43:04.167 but now I don't want her to have 'em, period. 935 00:43:04.333 --> 00:43:08.625 I will make sure I spread 'em somewhere before... 936 00:43:08.708 --> 00:43:10.500 before I pass, 937 00:43:10.625 --> 00:43:14.125 because she doesn't deserve them. 938 00:43:14.208 --> 00:43:17.708 So, now there's no hope of any reconciliation 939 00:43:17.875 --> 00:43:21.167 between not just with George, 940 00:43:21.333 --> 00:43:24.833 but now with me because of the blow-up that we had. 941 00:43:24.917 --> 00:43:26.750 And she thinks, "No longer can 942 00:43:26.875 --> 00:43:28.667 I have a relationship with my mom. 943 00:43:28.750 --> 00:43:30.583 So, now I can just let it all go, 944 00:43:30.708 --> 00:43:34.625 say what a bitch she is and how controlling she was." 945 00:43:34.750 --> 00:43:37.125 You know, it all fits into her narrative now 946 00:43:37.250 --> 00:43:42.333 to make her look like the victim instead of... 947 00:43:42.417 --> 00:43:44.000 -Instead of... -...what she really is, 948 00:43:44.208 --> 00:43:46.500 Which is? 949 00:43:46.625 --> 00:43:48.542 Responsible for whatever happened to Caylee. 950 00:43:48.708 --> 00:43:50.583 I still don't know the truth. 951 00:43:50.708 --> 00:43:53.167 Do you believe your daughter knows what happened to-- 952 00:43:53.250 --> 00:43:55.333 Yes, I believe 100%. 953 00:43:55.417 --> 00:43:58.958 And I kept hoping upon hope that she would confess. 954 00:43:59.083 --> 00:44:00.667 [voice breaking] And that's the only reason I've been 955 00:44:00.833 --> 00:44:02.667 put myself through all of her drama and everything. 956 00:44:02.792 --> 00:44:06.000 -Absolutely. -Absolutely correct. 957 00:44:06.125 --> 00:44:10.375 Since June 16, 2008, 958 00:44:10.542 --> 00:44:13.833 Caylee has been my number one priority 959 00:44:13.875 --> 00:44:17.833 as far as what happened to her and getting her back. 960 00:44:17.958 --> 00:44:21.500 I lost Casey and my granddaughter that day, 961 00:44:21.625 --> 00:44:23.500 but Caylee was always the priority. 962 00:44:23.583 --> 00:44:25.667 Caylee's always been the priority. 963 00:44:25.833 --> 00:44:27.542 That's been my focus and goal the whole time, 964 00:44:27.667 --> 00:44:30.500 is to find out the truth 965 00:44:30.542 --> 00:44:32.333 and to sit here and listen to her 966 00:44:32.375 --> 00:44:35.500 keep making different stories as it fits... 967 00:44:35.583 --> 00:44:39.000 ♪♪ 968 00:44:40.208 --> 00:44:42.542 I'm having a hard time. I'm having a panic attack. 969 00:44:42.708 --> 00:44:45.250 I'm sorry. [crying] 970 00:44:45.375 --> 00:44:47.667 -Okay. 971 00:44:47.833 --> 00:44:49.708 -I'm sorry. -No, that's fine. 972 00:44:49.833 --> 00:44:51.458 [Cindy gasping] 973 00:44:51.583 --> 00:44:54.583 ♪ 974 00:44:54.708 --> 00:44:58.167 [Cindy crying shakily] 975 00:45:01.917 --> 00:45:04.417 [Cindy exhaling deeply] 976 00:45:13.792 --> 00:45:15.917 -[Cindy exhales deeply] -Okay. 977 00:45:16.083 --> 00:45:17.292 [exhales deeply] 978 00:45:24.917 --> 00:45:27.292 [sighs] 979 00:45:33.125 --> 00:45:35.625 All right, Cindy, you can go ahead, have a seat, and, uh, 980 00:45:35.750 --> 00:45:37.083 I'm gonna ask you some questions, 981 00:45:37.208 --> 00:45:38.917 then obviously to get to know you a little better 982 00:45:39.042 --> 00:45:41.375 so that the questions mean something to you. 983 00:45:41.542 --> 00:45:43.458 How much sleep did you get last night? 984 00:45:43.583 --> 00:45:44.792 Maybe four hours. 985 00:45:44.875 --> 00:45:46.833 Feel rested enough to be focused right now? 986 00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:49.125 -Yeah, I believe so. -Okay, good, good. 987 00:45:49.292 --> 00:45:51.875 Now, you've been married to George out there for how long? 988 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:53.583 -42 years we've been married. -Wow. 989 00:45:53.667 --> 00:45:55.167 -42 and a half years. -Congratulations. 990 00:45:55.333 --> 00:45:56.542 Thank you. 991 00:45:56.667 --> 00:45:58.083 Uh, not too many people can say that. 992 00:45:58.208 --> 00:46:01.000 So, how would you rate your relationship with George, 993 00:46:01.125 --> 00:46:02.500 your husband, on a scale of one to 10? 994 00:46:02.583 --> 00:46:05.667 One, horrible--you fight all the time, and 10 is perfect. 995 00:46:05.833 --> 00:46:08.417 Probably a six or seven. 996 00:46:08.542 --> 00:46:10.167 Six or seven? Okay. 997 00:46:10.333 --> 00:46:12.958 -It's never been perfect. -Okay. 998 00:46:13.083 --> 00:46:15.417 We were not on the same page for quite a while. 999 00:46:15.583 --> 00:46:16.875 [Olivo] Okay. 1000 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:18.667 [Cindy] You know, during this whole thing. 1001 00:46:18.833 --> 00:46:21.667 Did putting your marriage at a six to seven hurt? 1002 00:46:21.833 --> 00:46:23.125 [George] Yeah, it does. 1003 00:46:23.208 --> 00:46:25.500 But then again, that's--that's just her. 1004 00:46:25.667 --> 00:46:29.000 What is the biggest disagreement that you and George have had 1005 00:46:29.125 --> 00:46:33.000 regarding this--this whole issue with Casey and Caylee? 1006 00:46:33.167 --> 00:46:36.125 He thinks Casey may have drugged Caylee. 1007 00:46:36.250 --> 00:46:38.375 And that came from the sheriff's department. 1008 00:46:38.542 --> 00:46:41.250 -I believe he was brainwashed. -Into thinking that? 1009 00:46:41.375 --> 00:46:42.833 Into thinking that 1010 00:46:42.917 --> 00:46:44.500 because the sheriff's department tried to do it with me, 1011 00:46:44.583 --> 00:46:45.958 [laughs] and I was... -Yeah. 1012 00:46:46.083 --> 00:46:47.167 Like, there was no evidence of it. 1013 00:46:47.333 --> 00:46:49.000 You wouldn't have it. 1014 00:46:49.125 --> 00:46:50.750 So, what do you think? What was your theory then? 1015 00:46:50.875 --> 00:46:52.667 Prior to trial, Jose, her attorney, 1016 00:46:52.833 --> 00:46:55.125 called me in, wouldn't tell me why. Just me. 1017 00:46:55.250 --> 00:47:00.250 He goes, "Casey wants you to know how Caylee died." 1018 00:47:00.375 --> 00:47:03.167 And he grabbed me 'cause he knew I was probably gonna faint. 1019 00:47:03.375 --> 00:47:05.833 And he goes, "She drowned in the pool." 1020 00:47:05.958 --> 00:47:07.167 [voice breaking] And I said, 1021 00:47:07.333 --> 00:47:09.000 "What the hell did she put us through all this? 1022 00:47:09.125 --> 00:47:11.167 What the heck? If it was an accident, 1023 00:47:11.250 --> 00:47:13.333 we could have taken care of her right then and there." 1024 00:47:13.417 --> 00:47:16.417 He goes, "I have to explain away her actions. 1025 00:47:16.542 --> 00:47:18.375 Someone has to take the fall for it," and he said, 1026 00:47:18.500 --> 00:47:19.833 "It's gonna have to be George. 1027 00:47:19.917 --> 00:47:22.250 No one else will believe anything," and I looked at him 1028 00:47:22.375 --> 00:47:24.417 and I said, "You're not doing anything to George." 1029 00:47:24.542 --> 00:47:27.333 Why do you believe she believes that account and not yours? 1030 00:47:27.375 --> 00:47:30.083 [scoffs] 1031 00:47:30.208 --> 00:47:35.333 She just believes Casey more than she does me. 1032 00:47:35.417 --> 00:47:37.458 She just does. 1033 00:47:37.583 --> 00:47:38.958 Because I-I know one thing. 1034 00:47:39.083 --> 00:47:42.333 I don't believe anything that J-J-Jose Baez ever said. 1035 00:47:42.542 --> 00:47:45.708 I still believe that Caylee was given some kind of drug 1036 00:47:45.875 --> 00:47:47.833 to go to sleep 'cause I feel she wanted 1037 00:47:47.917 --> 00:47:49.833 to be out having fun with her friends. 1038 00:47:49.917 --> 00:47:51.792 You know how hard it was for me to go 1039 00:47:51.875 --> 00:47:53.417 in front of the grand jury? 1040 00:47:53.542 --> 00:47:55.583 They kept on asking me the same kind of questions. 1041 00:47:55.708 --> 00:47:58.500 The--Who do you believe is-- is responsible? Casey. 1042 00:47:58.542 --> 00:48:01.083 No matter what happened-- drowning, giving her something-- 1043 00:48:01.208 --> 00:48:02.625 And you said that before the grand jury? 1044 00:48:02.750 --> 00:48:04.333 I most certainly did, sir. 1045 00:48:04.375 --> 00:48:06.708 I most certainly did. I didn't pull any punches. 1046 00:48:06.833 --> 00:48:09.000 I will go probably to my grave always believing 1047 00:48:09.125 --> 00:48:12.833 that Casey harmed Caylee. 1048 00:48:15.375 --> 00:48:21.208 ♪ 1049 00:48:21.333 --> 00:48:23.583 Look, the burning question has always been, 1050 00:48:23.708 --> 00:48:27.917 what happened to Caylee on the day she disappeared? 1051 00:48:28.042 --> 00:48:31.833 This is extremely important for George and I. 1052 00:48:31.958 --> 00:48:35.542 This is what we had disagreed upon 1053 00:48:35.667 --> 00:48:38.167 for the last 15 years. 1054 00:48:38.333 --> 00:48:40.417 Casey has a completely new version 1055 00:48:40.500 --> 00:48:43.792 of what happened on the day Caylee disappeared, 1056 00:48:43.875 --> 00:48:46.417 and it all starts with George waking her up 1057 00:48:46.542 --> 00:48:48.625 and with Caylee nowhere to be found. 1058 00:48:48.792 --> 00:48:50.250 [Casey] They came back around towards the front porch. 1059 00:48:50.375 --> 00:48:52.542 He's standing there with her. 1060 00:48:52.708 --> 00:48:54.167 She's soaking wet. 1061 00:48:54.292 --> 00:48:56.125 ♪ 1062 00:48:56.250 --> 00:48:59.708 I can see him standing there with her in his arms 1063 00:48:59.833 --> 00:49:02.667 and hand her to me 1064 00:49:02.792 --> 00:49:07.792 and telling me that it's my fault, that I did that, 1065 00:49:07.875 --> 00:49:09.500 that I caused that, 1066 00:49:09.667 --> 00:49:12.833 and I just collapsed with her in my arms. 1067 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:16.875 Casey knows CPR. I made her take classes. 1068 00:49:17.042 --> 00:49:18.333 He takes her from me, 1069 00:49:18.458 --> 00:49:20.000 and he immediately softens his tone 1070 00:49:20.167 --> 00:49:22.167 and tells me "It's gonna be okay," 1071 00:49:22.292 --> 00:49:25.083 that she was going to be okay. 1072 00:49:25.208 --> 00:49:28.042 That's what he said to me. 1073 00:49:28.167 --> 00:49:31.542 [sniffles] I wanted to believe him 1074 00:49:31.708 --> 00:49:33.833 because I wanted her to be okay. 1075 00:49:33.958 --> 00:49:36.958 She can say that so easy. 1076 00:49:37.083 --> 00:49:38.833 And, George, you're hearing this 1077 00:49:38.958 --> 00:49:41.458 from your daughter's mouth for the first time. 1078 00:49:41.583 --> 00:49:43.083 -That did not friggin' happen. -Does that make sense 1079 00:49:43.208 --> 00:49:46.458 to any rational person, any sane person? 1080 00:49:46.583 --> 00:49:49.000 You would hand off a lifeless baby soaking wet 1081 00:49:49.083 --> 00:49:51.000 and not attempt to... -"Here. You take care of her." 1082 00:49:51.167 --> 00:49:52.833 -I don't do that kind of stuff. -...do something, plus... 1083 00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:54.333 Yeah. -...George knew CPR 1084 00:49:54.417 --> 00:49:56.167 from the sheriff's department. 1085 00:49:56.375 --> 00:49:57.333 -He was certified. -But, George, you would know, 1086 00:49:57.417 --> 00:49:59.000 wouldn't you? -[George] Oh, absolutely. 1087 00:49:59.125 --> 00:50:00.250 -He was certified in CPR. -And it was child-- 1088 00:50:00.375 --> 00:50:02.000 You better start speaking up for yourself. 1089 00:50:02.083 --> 00:50:04.125 -Well, I'm fine. -This is all coming down on you. 1090 00:50:04.208 --> 00:50:06.042 -I know it is. -And--And if you've got 1091 00:50:06.208 --> 00:50:08.125 information that refutes this, 1092 00:50:08.208 --> 00:50:10.125 you need to speak up for yourself. 1093 00:50:10.208 --> 00:50:12.333 Well, I understand that. Everything I know 1094 00:50:12.458 --> 00:50:14.208 that Casey is saying right there is a lie. 1095 00:50:14.333 --> 00:50:16.083 But I'm gonna tell you something. 1096 00:50:16.208 --> 00:50:19.292 I don't believe that our daughter... 1097 00:50:19.375 --> 00:50:25.042 could leave her daughter in my arms, soaking wet. 1098 00:50:25.167 --> 00:50:26.292 That does not compute in my life. 1099 00:50:26.417 --> 00:50:27.875 It will never compute in my life. 1100 00:50:28.042 --> 00:50:29.792 I may wear this theme out. 1101 00:50:29.875 --> 00:50:31.458 -Wear it out. -But I--Okay. 1102 00:50:31.583 --> 00:50:34.792 What is the nugget of truth in this story 1103 00:50:34.875 --> 00:50:37.167 of what happened that day 1104 00:50:37.333 --> 00:50:39.875 based on the story she's telling us? 1105 00:50:40.042 --> 00:50:42.667 The first nugget of truth was Casey woke up... 1106 00:50:42.833 --> 00:50:45.708 ♪ 1107 00:50:45.833 --> 00:50:49.208 ...couldn't find Caylee, so that means she was distracted, 1108 00:50:49.333 --> 00:50:51.167 didn't know where Caylee was at. 1109 00:50:51.250 --> 00:50:57.000 She finds her in the pool, lifeless, panics. 1110 00:50:57.167 --> 00:51:00.250 The reason she brings George into it is because 1111 00:51:00.375 --> 00:51:03.292 who did Jose say he was gonna throw under the bus 1112 00:51:03.375 --> 00:51:06.125 to save Casey's life from the death penalty 1113 00:51:06.250 --> 00:51:08.000 and life in prison? 1114 00:51:08.083 --> 00:51:10.125 George, based on the fact-- 1115 00:51:10.208 --> 00:51:11.792 Because this is what she's saying in her own words now. 1116 00:51:11.875 --> 00:51:15.167 There's no--There's no Jose Baez sitting next to her. 1117 00:51:15.292 --> 00:51:18.708 Right, but Jose is the one that put the idea in her head. 1118 00:51:18.833 --> 00:51:21.125 Why is she--she is acquitted. 1119 00:51:21.250 --> 00:51:23.125 She doesn't have to tell the story. 1120 00:51:23.292 --> 00:51:24.833 Do you see what I'm saying? So, why is she-- 1121 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:26.958 Yeah. No, I think Casey has thought 1122 00:51:27.042 --> 00:51:30.042 about that over the years... -And created it 1123 00:51:30.167 --> 00:51:31.667 ...and she created it in her mind to cope... 1124 00:51:31.750 --> 00:51:33.000 With? 1125 00:51:33.083 --> 00:51:36.167 ...with Caylee's drowning on her watch. 1126 00:51:36.250 --> 00:51:38.208 Does that sound reasonable to you? 1127 00:51:38.375 --> 00:51:41.333 It does sound reasonable. Reasonable. 1128 00:51:41.500 --> 00:51:43.375 But that's the nugget of truth, George. 1129 00:51:43.542 --> 00:51:47.333 I understand that, but also with me being out there 1130 00:51:47.417 --> 00:51:49.500 and bringing Caylee in to give her to her, 1131 00:51:49.667 --> 00:51:52.000 that's a really big f-fabrication, 1132 00:51:52.167 --> 00:51:54.500 'cause it did not friggin' happen that way. 1133 00:51:54.625 --> 00:51:55.625 [voice breaking] It did not happen that-- 1134 00:51:55.708 --> 00:51:57.292 I don't believe that--Oh. 1135 00:51:57.458 --> 00:52:00.000 How many times I will hear, well, she drowned in the pool. 1136 00:52:00.083 --> 00:52:01.833 She drowned in the pool. People wanna say that. 1137 00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:05.667 You wanna say it, that's fine. I know what my feelings are. 1138 00:52:05.750 --> 00:52:08.625 I-I know what I saw, and evidence. I saw it. 1139 00:52:08.708 --> 00:52:10.625 -Let me stop him right there. -Okay, fine. 1140 00:52:10.708 --> 00:52:12.167 -No, listen, listen-- -You know something? 1141 00:52:12.292 --> 00:52:13.500 -This--This is over for me. -No, George-- 1142 00:52:13.583 --> 00:52:15.167 This--This is done. This is done. 1143 00:52:15.292 --> 00:52:15.917 -Tony--Tony-- -I will not... 1144 00:52:16.042 --> 00:52:17.583 Tony, did I-- 1145 00:52:17.708 --> 00:52:19.500 ...stand here, and--and you keep defending her. She is no-- 1146 00:52:19.625 --> 00:52:21.083 -I'm not--I'm not defending her. -Yes, you are. 1147 00:52:21.208 --> 00:52:22.542 -Tell him I'm not defending her. -Yes, you are. 1148 00:52:22.708 --> 00:52:23.667 -But I-- -Yes, you are. 1149 00:52:23.875 --> 00:52:25.125 -Can I-- -Can I just-- 1150 00:52:25.208 --> 00:52:26.458 -Can I--Can I... -Yes. 1151 00:52:26.583 --> 00:52:27.792 ...suggest what the bridge is? Can I tell-- 1152 00:52:27.875 --> 00:52:29.375 Can I suggest what the bridge is? 1153 00:52:29.500 --> 00:52:30.958 It's him not listening to what I said. 1154 00:52:31.042 --> 00:52:34.583 I have no idea how what you said, 1155 00:52:34.708 --> 00:52:39.167 and maybe even the way you said it, impacted him. 1156 00:52:39.292 --> 00:52:42.167 But the three of us have got to work together 1157 00:52:42.375 --> 00:52:43.833 if we're gonna get through this. -Right. 1158 00:52:43.958 --> 00:52:46.250 Because there's still a piece of this allegation 1159 00:52:46.375 --> 00:52:48.667 that you haven't heard, and it's big. 1160 00:52:48.792 --> 00:52:51.250 The lead investigator of Casey's defense team, 1161 00:52:51.375 --> 00:52:53.375 Pat McKenna, sat down with Casey. 1162 00:52:53.500 --> 00:52:56.083 Uh, I want you both to have a look. 1163 00:52:56.208 --> 00:52:59.375 We never discussed this, but when he abused you, 1164 00:52:59.500 --> 00:53:02.750 was there... anything that he did that 1165 00:53:02.875 --> 00:53:05.333 you would make you think he did that to Caylee 1166 00:53:05.417 --> 00:53:06.583 to cause the accident? -[Casey] Absolutely. 1167 00:53:06.708 --> 00:53:08.458 -Yeah. -Absolutely. 1168 00:53:08.625 --> 00:53:11.708 If I didn't want to or if I said no... 1169 00:53:11.875 --> 00:53:14.875 [sighs and sniffles] 1170 00:53:15.042 --> 00:53:16.333 he'd put a pillow over my face 1171 00:53:16.500 --> 00:53:18.125 and he'd smother me to knock me out. 1172 00:53:18.208 --> 00:53:21.708 [McKenna] That could be the accident. 1173 00:53:21.833 --> 00:53:23.458 [Casey] Possible. [cries] 1174 00:53:23.542 --> 00:53:26.458 This stitched-together allegation now, 1175 00:53:26.583 --> 00:53:30.208 is that you may have smothered Caylee 1176 00:53:30.375 --> 00:53:32.542 while abusing her sexually 1177 00:53:32.625 --> 00:53:35.167 and made it look like a drowning to cover it up. 1178 00:53:35.250 --> 00:53:37.125 Do you wanna say anything to that? 1179 00:53:37.250 --> 00:53:38.583 That's a lie. 1180 00:53:38.708 --> 00:53:42.000 That is a lie. I would never do that. 1181 00:53:42.083 --> 00:53:43.333 I haven't done that. 1182 00:53:43.417 --> 00:53:45.375 It's not in my brain to do anything like that 1183 00:53:45.500 --> 00:53:47.875 to my daughter, but especially my granddaughter. 1184 00:53:48.042 --> 00:53:50.333 Oh, my gosh. That's... That's one of the cruelest things 1185 00:53:50.417 --> 00:53:53.583 I have ever been accused of in my life. 1186 00:53:53.708 --> 00:53:56.250 -The cruelest, yes. -It is. It's... 1187 00:53:56.375 --> 00:54:00.542 Why is the daughter the two of you raised 1188 00:54:00.708 --> 00:54:04.792 making the cruelest accusation against her father? 1189 00:54:04.875 --> 00:54:09.625 ♪♪ 1190 00:54:13.625 --> 00:54:15.542 So, I'm gonna tell you about polygraph, what it is 1191 00:54:15.542 --> 00:54:17.208 and how it works. It's based on the autonomic nervous system, 1192 00:54:17.375 --> 00:54:18.417 that fight or flight response... -Right. 1193 00:54:18.542 --> 00:54:20.125 ...you know about. The same phenomenon, 1194 00:54:20.208 --> 00:54:22.542 that fight or flight response, occurs when someone tells a lie. 1195 00:54:22.708 --> 00:54:24.500 And it's the perception of jeopardy, 1196 00:54:24.625 --> 00:54:26.500 of getting caught in a lie. So, you said that you're, 1197 00:54:26.667 --> 00:54:28.708 you know, painfully honest, right? 1198 00:54:28.875 --> 00:54:30.333 -I call people out. -So, on a scale of one to 10, 1199 00:54:30.458 --> 00:54:32.000 you're a 10 on honesty, right? 1200 00:54:32.167 --> 00:54:33.417 -I tell the truth all the time. -Okay. 1201 00:54:33.542 --> 00:54:35.292 -It's important. -Okay. 1202 00:54:35.375 --> 00:54:37.292 Unless it's in someone's best interest... [laughs] 1203 00:54:37.375 --> 00:54:39.667 Like, if it's, you know... 1204 00:54:39.750 --> 00:54:43.875 To me, that's not a-a... an untruthful lie. It's just a-- 1205 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.750 It's a truthful lie. 1206 00:54:46.875 --> 00:54:49.750 ♪ 1207 00:55:13.583 --> 00:55:16.417 So, this whole time when Caylee was missing. 1208 00:55:16.583 --> 00:55:18.708 and everybody was frantic, looking for her, 1209 00:55:18.833 --> 00:55:20.875 the whole idea, or the whole questioning here, 1210 00:55:20.958 --> 00:55:23.208 has to do with if George knew anything about it. 1211 00:55:23.375 --> 00:55:26.667 My question is here, if George ever told you 1212 00:55:26.750 --> 00:55:28.417 anything about him being involved 1213 00:55:28.542 --> 00:55:31.333 in Caylee's disappearance. -No. 1214 00:55:31.458 --> 00:55:33.333 -If there was any inkling... -Right. 1215 00:55:33.500 --> 00:55:35.167 ...I would have alerted the sheriff's department. 1216 00:55:35.333 --> 00:55:37.167 Even covering up what happened to her, 1217 00:55:37.333 --> 00:55:40.333 even if it was an accident, is still a crime. 1218 00:55:40.417 --> 00:55:42.750 As you look at her here, are you anxious? 1219 00:55:42.875 --> 00:55:45.125 Are you nervous? Are you confident? 1220 00:55:45.208 --> 00:55:46.875 I'm anxious for this to get done for her. 1221 00:55:47.042 --> 00:55:48.333 Yeah. 1222 00:55:48.375 --> 00:55:50.000 Okay, so the test is about to begin. 1223 00:55:50.167 --> 00:55:51.417 Please remain still. 1224 00:55:51.542 --> 00:55:53.792 Regarding George, confirming his involvement 1225 00:55:53.917 --> 00:55:57.000 in Caylee's death, do you intend to lie on this test? 1226 00:55:57.083 --> 00:55:58.167 No. 1227 00:55:58.292 --> 00:56:00.625 Did George ever confirm 1228 00:56:00.708 --> 00:56:01.958 that he was actively involved in Caylee's death? 1229 00:56:02.083 --> 00:56:03.333 No. 1230 00:56:03.500 --> 00:56:05.083 Did George ever confirm 1231 00:56:05.208 --> 00:56:08.708 that he actively participated in Caylee's disappearance? 1232 00:56:08.875 --> 00:56:09.958 No. 1233 00:56:10.083 --> 00:56:12.417 Did George ever say that he knew where Caylee was 1234 00:56:12.542 --> 00:56:14.500 while she was missing? 1235 00:56:14.583 --> 00:56:15.917 No. 1236 00:56:16.083 --> 00:56:19.000 This part of the test is over. Please remain still. 1237 00:56:19.125 --> 00:56:21.417 Just wish she didn't have to go through this stuff, 1238 00:56:21.542 --> 00:56:23.458 all the stuff she's been through 1239 00:56:23.542 --> 00:56:26.333 with me, with our daughter. 1240 00:56:28.417 --> 00:56:30.833 [Olivo] All right, go ahead and recover, Cindy. 1241 00:56:30.958 --> 00:56:32.833 So, I'm gonna go ahead and analyze the data. 1242 00:56:32.958 --> 00:56:34.292 I think I have enough here, okay? 1243 00:56:34.417 --> 00:56:35.583 And then we'll get the results to you... 1244 00:56:35.708 --> 00:56:37.458 -Okay. -...uh, in a couple of days. 1245 00:56:37.625 --> 00:56:39.167 I mean, it is what it is. 1246 00:56:39.292 --> 00:56:41.667 I mean, you can't... 1247 00:56:41.750 --> 00:56:44.167 I... You can't change what you know or you don't know. 1248 00:56:44.333 --> 00:56:45.583 [Olivo] Exactly. 1249 00:56:45.708 --> 00:56:46.958 -She's all done. -[Olivo] Thank you. 1250 00:56:47.042 --> 00:56:48.292 -I think so, yeah. -Yeah. 1251 00:56:48.375 --> 00:56:50.250 Feel free to stand up whenever you're ready. 1252 00:56:50.375 --> 00:56:51.708 -[groans] -So you can stretch your legs. 1253 00:56:51.833 --> 00:56:53.500 -I'm stiff. -I know. I know it hurts. 1254 00:56:53.625 --> 00:56:55.458 [Cindy sighs heavily] 1255 00:56:55.583 --> 00:56:58.667 [Harris] For 31 days after her daughter's death, 1256 00:56:58.792 --> 00:57:01.417 Casey admits to hiding this tragedy from everyone, 1257 00:57:01.542 --> 00:57:02.917 including the authorities. 1258 00:57:03.042 --> 00:57:04.750 But there have long been these theories 1259 00:57:04.875 --> 00:57:06.583 that other people, other parties 1260 00:57:06.708 --> 00:57:09.833 were involved in the concealment of the crime as well. 1261 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:12.000 This is another chapter in this story. 1262 00:57:12.125 --> 00:57:14.667 This is, in some ways, the most compelling part 1263 00:57:14.833 --> 00:57:17.500 of the story for me, these 31 days. 1264 00:57:17.625 --> 00:57:20.792 That is the next portion that I wanna take apart... 1265 00:57:20.875 --> 00:57:22.667 -[Cindy] Okay. -...in some detail. 1266 00:57:22.750 --> 00:57:26.667 Now we're at a place where Casey is telling 1267 00:57:26.792 --> 00:57:29.625 an entirely different story about the events of those days. 1268 00:57:29.750 --> 00:57:32.000 -Yeah. -[Casey] During the 31 days, 1269 00:57:32.083 --> 00:57:34.500 I genuinely believed that Caylee was still alive. 1270 00:57:34.625 --> 00:57:37.000 My father kept telling me she was okay. 1271 00:57:37.208 --> 00:57:40.167 I just had to keep following his instructions. 1272 00:57:40.250 --> 00:57:42.833 -What a good actress you are. -She is an actress. 1273 00:57:42.917 --> 00:57:45.375 [George] She can get an Academy Award for this one. 1274 00:57:45.500 --> 00:57:47.500 What's in her head, in her heart, 1275 00:57:47.625 --> 00:57:49.833 where she could say something like that? 1276 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:53.500 When someone can't deal with themselves, 1277 00:57:53.583 --> 00:57:54.833 with what they did, they project it 1278 00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:57.625 onto someone else or make excuses. 1279 00:57:57.792 --> 00:57:59.375 I mean, come on, girl. She's... 1280 00:57:59.500 --> 00:58:01.667 She can't keep her story straight. 1281 00:58:01.833 --> 00:58:04.458 If I'm to believe your daughter, you gave her instructions 1282 00:58:04.542 --> 00:58:06.583 on how to behave in those 31 days. 1283 00:58:06.708 --> 00:58:07.917 -Did you speak to her? -No, I did not. 1284 00:58:08.042 --> 00:58:09.417 -Did you text her? -No, I did not. 1285 00:58:09.542 --> 00:58:10.792 Did you receive a text from her? 1286 00:58:10.875 --> 00:58:12.458 No, I did not. 1287 00:58:12.583 --> 00:58:14.042 How did you receive any information 1288 00:58:14.208 --> 00:58:17.792 about your daughter during these 31 days? 1289 00:58:17.875 --> 00:58:21.208 Through Cindy. Cindy told me that she had talked to Casey. 1290 00:58:21.375 --> 00:58:23.625 Everything is good, uh, Caylee's fine, 1291 00:58:23.750 --> 00:58:25.250 blah, blah, blah, and all that stuff. 1292 00:58:25.375 --> 00:58:26.542 So, I believed each time she told me. 1293 00:58:26.667 --> 00:58:28.292 So, you were in touch with her. 1294 00:58:28.375 --> 00:58:29.667 Yeah, I talked to her almost every day, 1295 00:58:29.833 --> 00:58:31.333 and I told the sheriff's department that. 1296 00:58:31.458 --> 00:58:33.000 They had our phone records. 1297 00:58:33.083 --> 00:58:36.917 They could verify if she talked to her dad or to me. 1298 00:58:37.042 --> 00:58:40.833 So, I-I called more for Caylee than I did for Casey. 1299 00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:43.167 A month is a long time not to see your granddaughter 1300 00:58:43.292 --> 00:58:46.167 who lived with you for almost three full years. 1301 00:58:46.250 --> 00:58:49.667 And--And the problem that many people in the public 1302 00:58:49.792 --> 00:58:52.833 have with you during this period is that you--you appear 1303 00:58:52.958 --> 00:58:55.583 to be very accepting of what your daughter was-- 1304 00:58:55.708 --> 00:58:58.750 -But I wasn't. -It sounded that way publicly. 1305 00:58:58.875 --> 00:58:59.917 Can you acknowledge that, that it-- 1306 00:59:00.042 --> 00:59:02.500 Because publicly, during all this time, 1307 00:59:02.583 --> 00:59:03.667 they didn't know what I did. 1308 00:59:03.792 --> 00:59:05.458 They didn't know that I called every day. 1309 00:59:05.583 --> 00:59:07.333 They didn't know that I hounded her brother, 1310 00:59:07.417 --> 00:59:08.958 "Have you seen your sister?" 1311 00:59:09.083 --> 00:59:11.042 Think the other thing you didn't do was call the authorities... 1312 00:59:11.167 --> 00:59:12.375 -But why-- -...that my-- 1313 00:59:12.500 --> 00:59:13.500 -Okay. -..."that my daughter 1314 00:59:13.667 --> 00:59:15.333 and my granddaughter are missing," 1315 00:59:15.500 --> 00:59:17.000 and, George, you didn't either. 1316 00:59:17.083 --> 00:59:18.625 So, I'm just saying, in my time with you, 1317 00:59:18.750 --> 00:59:21.000 you don't strike me as a woman who would accept that. 1318 00:59:21.083 --> 00:59:24.292 -How did we get the 31 days? -Okay, but why would I call? 1319 00:59:24.375 --> 00:59:25.833 Okay, think about it. 1320 00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:29.667 21-year-old mother with her-- her own baby. 1321 00:59:29.750 --> 00:59:32.958 Casey told me Caylee was fine. 1322 00:59:33.042 --> 00:59:36.708 Her story is that she dropped the baby off at the babysitter-- 1323 00:59:36.833 --> 00:59:39.958 Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, who does not exist. 1324 00:59:40.042 --> 00:59:41.708 Why am I gonna call the authorities 1325 00:59:41.875 --> 00:59:43.792 and say, "Hey, Casey's in Jacksonville, 1326 00:59:43.917 --> 00:59:46.583 won't bring my granddaughter home so I can see her"? 1327 00:59:46.708 --> 00:59:48.708 They're gonna think I'm frickin' nuts. 1328 00:59:48.833 --> 00:59:51.208 So, I think I behaved pretty dang-on... 1329 00:59:51.333 --> 00:59:53.667 -Okay. -...reasonable. 1330 00:59:53.792 --> 00:59:56.292 [Cindy] I mean, who's the truthful one in this house? 1331 00:59:56.375 --> 00:59:58.292 Who is? 1332 00:59:58.375 --> 01:00:01.000 Now is the time where I need to tell you. We need to focus. 1333 01:00:01.167 --> 01:00:02.625 We need to focus on the right thing. 1334 01:00:02.792 --> 01:00:04.167 We don't need to focus on creating stories, 1335 01:00:04.292 --> 01:00:06.833 changing testimonies, changing what we said. We have all-- 1336 01:00:06.958 --> 01:00:09.125 I'm not changing anything I ever said. 1337 01:00:09.208 --> 01:00:11.125 We are focusing on trying to find Caylee. 1338 01:00:11.208 --> 01:00:12.917 That's it. That's all. 1339 01:00:13.042 --> 01:00:14.500 [Harris] People have always suspected you 1340 01:00:14.625 --> 01:00:17.042 of lying to protect Casey, 1341 01:00:17.167 --> 01:00:19.667 but Casey says that George was behind all of it, so... 1342 01:00:19.792 --> 01:00:23.625 so I'm wondering if you might have been lying 1343 01:00:23.708 --> 01:00:25.083 to protect him as well. 1344 01:00:25.250 --> 01:00:27.042 [exhales deeply] 1345 01:00:27.208 --> 01:00:30.458 Pretty soon here, we'll have the results of the polygraph. 1346 01:00:30.542 --> 01:00:32.917 It's wrapped for-- for Cindy right now. 1347 01:00:33.042 --> 01:00:35.458 You wanna head over now and get set up for your final test? 1348 01:00:35.542 --> 01:00:38.375 ♪♪ 1349 01:00:41.083 --> 01:00:44.083 [Olivo] Okay, so let's go through these questions, then. 1350 01:00:44.208 --> 01:00:46.667 [sighs] So, one of the questions, uh, that comes up 1351 01:00:46.792 --> 01:00:48.833 is--has to do with Caylee's, 1352 01:00:48.958 --> 01:00:50.500 obviously, her disappearance. 1353 01:00:50.667 --> 01:00:53.292 And so, when I ask you about actively 1354 01:00:53.375 --> 01:00:55.167 causing the disappearance, 1355 01:00:55.292 --> 01:00:57.667 what I mean is that you physically did something 1356 01:00:57.792 --> 01:01:01.125 to move her or hide her or something like that, right? 1357 01:01:01.250 --> 01:01:03.667 So, the question I'll ask you on the test will be, 1358 01:01:03.792 --> 01:01:06.375 did you actively cause Caylee's disappearance? 1359 01:01:06.542 --> 01:01:08.167 -How would you answer that? -No. 1360 01:01:08.292 --> 01:01:11.542 Okay, very good. Another question similar to that is, uh, 1361 01:01:11.708 --> 01:01:15.042 did you knowingly conceal Caylee's whereabouts? 1362 01:01:15.167 --> 01:01:19.208 No. I mean, I... I didn't know where she was at. 1363 01:01:19.333 --> 01:01:21.917 Correct. That's all I'm asking. So, the question again-- 1364 01:01:22.042 --> 01:01:24.958 did you knowingly conceal Caylee's whereabouts? 1365 01:01:25.042 --> 01:01:26.292 ♪♪ 1366 01:01:26.417 --> 01:01:28.167 No. 1367 01:01:28.208 --> 01:01:30.042 Okay, so you're struggling with that one a little bit. 1368 01:01:30.167 --> 01:01:31.333 Tell me why. 1369 01:01:31.500 --> 01:01:33.125 Maybe it's because I-I... 1370 01:01:33.250 --> 01:01:34.958 it was so close to our house... -Yeah. 1371 01:01:35.042 --> 01:01:37.000 -...that she was found. -Right. 1372 01:01:37.125 --> 01:01:39.000 -Um... -But think about the times 1373 01:01:39.125 --> 01:01:41.000 you went out looking for her. -Yes. 1374 01:01:41.167 --> 01:01:42.625 Did you know where she was that whole time? 1375 01:01:42.708 --> 01:01:44.500 -No. -Are you sure? 1376 01:01:44.583 --> 01:01:46.208 I-I didn't know where she was at. 1377 01:01:46.375 --> 01:01:47.625 -Okay. That's all I'm asking. -I did not know. 1378 01:01:47.708 --> 01:01:49.167 That's all I'm asking you. 1379 01:01:49.292 --> 01:01:51.833 Okay, George? Kind of pull it together. 1380 01:01:51.917 --> 01:01:54.208 I just was v-visualizing the-- the woods at the moment. 1381 01:01:54.375 --> 01:01:55.667 -I'm sorry. -You--The what? 1382 01:01:55.833 --> 01:01:57.208 -The woods where she was found. -Yes. Yes. 1383 01:01:57.333 --> 01:01:59.000 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 1384 01:01:59.083 --> 01:02:01.208 [Olivo] Okay, you're gonna have to compartmentalize. 1385 01:02:01.333 --> 01:02:02.708 -Okay. -Right now, 1386 01:02:02.875 --> 01:02:05.292 as you sit here right now, did you conceal her whereabouts? 1387 01:02:05.375 --> 01:02:07.417 Did I conceal her whereabouts? 1388 01:02:07.542 --> 01:02:10.500 ♪♪ 1389 01:02:10.583 --> 01:02:11.667 [stammers] 1390 01:02:11.792 --> 01:02:13.792 I did not know where she was at. 1391 01:02:13.917 --> 01:02:15.500 [Olivo] Okay, so why are you struggling with that? 1392 01:02:15.667 --> 01:02:21.667 ♪ 1393 01:02:21.833 --> 01:02:23.833 [sighs] Oh, man. 1394 01:02:30.083 --> 01:02:32.583 As you sit here right now, did you conceal her whereabouts? 1395 01:02:32.667 --> 01:02:34.625 Did I conceal her whereabouts? 1396 01:02:34.750 --> 01:02:37.667 ♪ 1397 01:02:37.833 --> 01:02:39.000 [stammers] 1398 01:02:39.083 --> 01:02:41.042 I did not know where she was at. 1399 01:02:41.208 --> 01:02:43.000 Okay, so why are you struggling with that? 1400 01:02:43.167 --> 01:02:47.042 ♪ 1401 01:02:49.208 --> 01:02:51.000 [sighs] Oh, man. 1402 01:02:53.375 --> 01:02:54.833 -Tell me why. -I-I mean-- 1403 01:02:54.958 --> 01:02:56.042 I'm happy to modify the question if I have to... 1404 01:02:56.208 --> 01:02:57.667 I'm--I'm--I'm-- 1405 01:02:57.792 --> 01:02:59.542 ...but I need to know why you're struggling. 1406 01:02:59.708 --> 01:03:00.833 I did--I did not know where Caylee was at. 1407 01:03:00.958 --> 01:03:03.083 All you gotta do is say no, then. 1408 01:03:03.208 --> 01:03:05.750 I have no reason to doubt you at this point. 1409 01:03:05.875 --> 01:03:08.917 If someone stumbles on a question during the test, 1410 01:03:09.042 --> 01:03:11.708 once we've already discussed it and explained it, 1411 01:03:11.833 --> 01:03:13.542 and they say they're okay with it, 1412 01:03:13.708 --> 01:03:16.000 and they still stumble on it, at first, I'm gonna assume 1413 01:03:16.125 --> 01:03:17.833 that they're just nervous 1414 01:03:17.917 --> 01:03:20.250 or that they just didn't understand or hear me properly. 1415 01:03:20.375 --> 01:03:21.958 Uh, but if they continue to struggle with it, 1416 01:03:22.083 --> 01:03:23.750 then we have to talk about it some more. 1417 01:03:23.917 --> 01:03:25.458 There may be an issue there. 1418 01:03:25.583 --> 01:03:28.708 ♪ 1419 01:03:28.875 --> 01:03:30.542 George, I...I'm wondering about this one moment 1420 01:03:30.708 --> 01:03:34.500 in--in the run-up to the actual test, 1421 01:03:34.667 --> 01:03:36.875 there was a question about concealment. 1422 01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:39.292 -You remember that question? -Yes. 1423 01:03:39.417 --> 01:03:41.708 There seemed to be either some...a lack of clarity, 1424 01:03:41.875 --> 01:03:44.208 confusion on your part. 1425 01:03:44.333 --> 01:03:47.333 It wasn't that I didn't understand the question. 1426 01:03:47.458 --> 01:03:50.625 It's just that I just was overthinking some stuff 1427 01:03:50.708 --> 01:03:51.958 in that moment. -Yes. 1428 01:03:52.042 --> 01:03:55.000 In that moment that... I'm almost ready to cry, 1429 01:03:55.083 --> 01:03:57.792 I stumbled for a moment 'cause I was visualizing 1430 01:03:57.875 --> 01:04:00.333 where Caylee was at or where she was found. 1431 01:04:00.458 --> 01:04:01.917 Who put her there? 1432 01:04:02.042 --> 01:04:03.875 Why am I being blamed? 'Cause I didn't do it. 1433 01:04:04.042 --> 01:04:06.333 I've always blamed myself from day one that I didn't-- 1434 01:04:06.417 --> 01:04:08.167 I was the one that's supposed to find my granddaughter. 1435 01:04:08.292 --> 01:04:09.958 I didn't find her. 1436 01:04:10.083 --> 01:04:10.750 You felt you were the one who was supposed to find her. 1437 01:04:10.875 --> 01:04:12.667 I was supposed to, yes. 1438 01:04:12.875 --> 01:04:14.750 I was supposed to be the one to find her, and... 1439 01:04:14.875 --> 01:04:18.000 But that has nothing to do with concealment, George. 1440 01:04:18.125 --> 01:04:20.792 You understand where they're going with this? 1441 01:04:20.875 --> 01:04:23.000 -Yeah, I understand. -[stammers] 1442 01:04:23.167 --> 01:04:25.708 The concealment question is an easy yes or no. 1443 01:04:25.833 --> 01:04:28.167 Either you had something to do with it or not. 1444 01:04:28.333 --> 01:04:31.750 So, for you to be confused about concealment all-- 1445 01:04:31.875 --> 01:04:34.833 after all this time, it's either a yes or a no. 1446 01:04:34.958 --> 01:04:36.833 So, this ends up being very important, 1447 01:04:36.958 --> 01:04:38.667 because we're going to get results... 1448 01:04:38.833 --> 01:04:40.750 -Yeah. -...soon. 1449 01:04:40.875 --> 01:04:41.917 -[Cindy] You know? -Are you frustrated right now? 1450 01:04:42.042 --> 01:04:43.333 [Cindy] I'm frustrated! 1451 01:04:43.458 --> 01:04:45.042 It should have been an easy one to answer, 1452 01:04:45.208 --> 01:04:47.083 and I don't know why he's struggling now. 1453 01:04:47.208 --> 01:04:51.250 I remember Casey saying she just wanted to see this 1454 01:04:51.375 --> 01:04:55.167 all just not be here, she would not talk about it. 1455 01:04:55.292 --> 01:04:56.583 She would do nothing about it for-- 1456 01:04:56.750 --> 01:04:58.833 Stop for one second. Answer his question. 1457 01:04:58.917 --> 01:05:00.625 That's not what he's asking you. 1458 01:05:00.750 --> 01:05:03.083 And I'm gonna walk away for a second, 1459 01:05:03.208 --> 01:05:06.208 because if he can't focus on that, 1460 01:05:06.333 --> 01:05:08.667 then you're not in a good mindset today to do a taping, 1461 01:05:08.792 --> 01:05:10.375 and we need to get this done. 1462 01:05:10.500 --> 01:05:12.917 And you're the one that wanted to do this. 1463 01:05:13.042 --> 01:05:17.250 But I know he's gonna regret all of this later on. 1464 01:05:17.375 --> 01:05:19.583 You think about it, because I don't wanna... 1465 01:05:19.708 --> 01:05:23.667 George, talk to me for a second. What are you feeling? 1466 01:05:23.750 --> 01:05:26.708 I feel, uh, very... Okay. 1467 01:05:26.833 --> 01:05:28.917 I don't wanna say the word "hatred." 1468 01:05:29.042 --> 01:05:31.167 I feel right now I don't... 1469 01:05:31.250 --> 01:05:32.417 I'm having a hard time liking her. 1470 01:05:32.542 --> 01:05:34.500 ♪ 1471 01:05:34.625 --> 01:05:38.583 [Harris] All right, George, let's go for a ride. 1472 01:05:38.750 --> 01:05:40.667 You lead the way. 1473 01:05:47.250 --> 01:05:49.167 I pulled you aside because I... 1474 01:05:49.333 --> 01:05:52.917 I just have a sense... [clears throat] 1475 01:05:53.042 --> 01:05:55.667 that you need to be heard. 1476 01:05:55.750 --> 01:05:58.833 I'm just having issues with Cindy. I-I don't... [sighs] 1477 01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:01.250 I'm having issues ever since this stuff happened. 1478 01:06:01.375 --> 01:06:03.458 ♪♪ 1479 01:06:03.542 --> 01:06:05.500 Cindy wants to control the situation. 1480 01:06:05.583 --> 01:06:07.583 No matter how much it hurts me, how much it bothers me. 1481 01:06:07.708 --> 01:06:09.708 She don't check on me like how I feel about a situation. 1482 01:06:09.875 --> 01:06:11.750 And I just.... 1483 01:06:11.875 --> 01:06:16.125 Every time I try to talk to her about it, I have to get loud. 1484 01:06:16.250 --> 01:06:18.667 I have to get away from her. I have... It's... 1485 01:06:18.875 --> 01:06:20.333 She doesn't understand it. 1486 01:06:20.417 --> 01:06:22.167 She wants to be combative with me. 1487 01:06:22.292 --> 01:06:24.667 I don't want to be combative anymore. I can't take it. 1488 01:06:24.792 --> 01:06:28.667 It's... It... It hurts too much. 1489 01:06:28.750 --> 01:06:30.167 I don't know where to go anymore. 1490 01:06:30.250 --> 01:06:32.125 I don't know where to go. 1491 01:06:32.208 --> 01:06:34.042 When you say you don't know where to go, 1492 01:06:34.167 --> 01:06:36.542 do you want to leave? -Yes. 1493 01:06:36.667 --> 01:06:39.625 [Harris] Is your marriage going to survive this? 1494 01:06:39.708 --> 01:06:41.167 No, I don't think so. 1495 01:06:41.333 --> 01:06:43.500 There's many, many times over these last few years 1496 01:06:43.625 --> 01:06:45.083 that Cindy and I have talked 1497 01:06:45.208 --> 01:06:46.542 about getting away from each other. 1498 01:06:46.625 --> 01:06:48.333 How much of your lives, 1499 01:06:48.417 --> 01:06:51.292 even now, all these years later, 1500 01:06:51.375 --> 01:06:56.167 is still consumed by this story, your daughter, 1501 01:06:56.292 --> 01:06:58.542 your granddaughter, and what happened? 1502 01:06:58.667 --> 01:07:00.917 On a percentage basis, I think it's really close to 100%. 1503 01:07:01.042 --> 01:07:02.250 -What?! -Like 99%. 1504 01:07:02.375 --> 01:07:03.625 -What?! -Yeah. Oh, yeah. 1505 01:07:03.750 --> 01:07:06.958 -On a daily basis? -Mm-hmm. Most definitely. 1506 01:07:07.083 --> 01:07:08.458 Look at every time you walk around the house, 1507 01:07:08.583 --> 01:07:10.542 there's--there's a memory of something. 1508 01:07:10.708 --> 01:07:13.625 Would you mind if we go 1509 01:07:13.750 --> 01:07:17.458 to the area where Caylee's remains are found? 1510 01:07:17.583 --> 01:07:19.167 One street you followed all the way down, 1511 01:07:19.292 --> 01:07:21.083 turn left, you turn right. 1512 01:07:21.208 --> 01:07:23.625 It went down about a hundred yards on the right-hand side. 1513 01:07:23.708 --> 01:07:26.542 ♪ 1514 01:07:32.125 --> 01:07:33.708 There were so many adults that came here, 1515 01:07:33.875 --> 01:07:36.125 and they would pray. 1516 01:07:36.250 --> 01:07:37.500 There used to be people row after row, car after car. 1517 01:07:37.625 --> 01:07:39.167 People would be over here. 1518 01:07:39.292 --> 01:07:41.083 There could be a couple hundred people here at one time. 1519 01:07:41.208 --> 01:07:43.250 But how can I tell people, "Don't go down there"? 1520 01:07:43.375 --> 01:07:44.833 We've tried. 1521 01:07:44.958 --> 01:07:47.333 I've been on the local news trying to keep people away. 1522 01:07:47.458 --> 01:07:53.500 Some would suggest that you want the memory of... 1523 01:07:53.625 --> 01:07:55.000 of this to go away. 1524 01:07:55.125 --> 01:07:59.292 Caylee--Caylee isn't here. She's not here. 1525 01:07:59.375 --> 01:08:00.458 -Do you ever come-- -There's times I wished 1526 01:08:00.583 --> 01:08:02.000 I was here, you know, instead of her. 1527 01:08:02.167 --> 01:08:04.000 -What? -I did. 1528 01:08:04.083 --> 01:08:06.500 If I could call--talk to God right now and say, 1529 01:08:06.625 --> 01:08:09.958 "Listen, send Caylee back here to be with her Grammy." 1530 01:08:10.125 --> 01:08:13.667 I'd rather have God... God take me. 1531 01:08:13.792 --> 01:08:16.042 I tried to almost take my own life because of it. 1532 01:08:16.208 --> 01:08:18.000 I so much wanted to be with her. 1533 01:08:18.125 --> 01:08:20.458 She meant everything to me. To me. 1534 01:08:20.542 --> 01:08:22.375 I know she meant everything to Cindy, too. 1535 01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:24.458 But we showed our affection in different ways, 1536 01:08:24.542 --> 01:08:25.542 I guess, for her. 1537 01:08:25.667 --> 01:08:28.667 ♪♪ 1538 01:08:28.750 --> 01:08:31.625 And, George, what would you say to people who hear you 1539 01:08:31.708 --> 01:08:36.875 talk about your love for your granddaughter, 1540 01:08:37.042 --> 01:08:42.083 who then say, "You know, that's a bit much. 1541 01:08:42.208 --> 01:08:45.333 That's a bit-- That's almost a bit creepy"? 1542 01:08:45.458 --> 01:08:47.417 Well, you know, they're not the ones that would have to walk 1543 01:08:47.542 --> 01:08:49.792 every single day on stuff that I've been through, 1544 01:08:49.875 --> 01:08:51.667 to being called... [chuckles] 1545 01:08:51.750 --> 01:08:53.833 different things that I've been called to my face. I-- 1546 01:08:53.958 --> 01:08:55.917 What have you been called? 1547 01:08:56.042 --> 01:08:57.833 Pedophile, number one. 1548 01:08:58.042 --> 01:09:00.000 That's just a touch of it. 1549 01:09:00.083 --> 01:09:01.833 Well, brother, I hope, uh... [sighs] 1550 01:09:01.917 --> 01:09:05.750 you can find some-- some peace at some point. 1551 01:09:08.458 --> 01:09:10.333 You good, George? You ready to get started? 1552 01:09:10.458 --> 01:09:12.708 -I am ready to get started, yes. -Very good. 1553 01:09:12.875 --> 01:09:14.500 So, again, we're gonna do it a few times, George. 1554 01:09:14.625 --> 01:09:16.292 So, don't be alarmed when I say we're gonna do it again. 1555 01:09:16.417 --> 01:09:17.542 That doesn't mean there's anything wrong. 1556 01:09:17.708 --> 01:09:19.000 Okay. 1557 01:09:19.125 --> 01:09:20.625 It doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong. 1558 01:09:20.750 --> 01:09:22.458 There's just redundancy built into the protocol. 1559 01:09:22.583 --> 01:09:25.708 I'm not here to accuse you of anything. We're here-- 1560 01:09:25.833 --> 01:09:28.125 Don't think of this, George, as a lie detector. 1561 01:09:28.250 --> 01:09:29.917 Think of it as a truth verifier. 1562 01:09:30.042 --> 01:09:31.500 I understand. 1563 01:09:31.583 --> 01:09:33.250 And we're trying to keep emotions out of it. 1564 01:09:33.375 --> 01:09:35.083 -And that's hard sometimes. -And it is very hard. 1565 01:09:35.208 --> 01:09:36.542 I know it's easier said than done, 1566 01:09:36.708 --> 01:09:39.417 but, I mean, if you want, you know, accurate results, 1567 01:09:39.542 --> 01:09:41.708 then somehow-- somehow you have to do that. 1568 01:09:41.875 --> 01:09:43.625 If you'd like to ask me again, I'll be more than glad to... 1569 01:09:43.708 --> 01:09:45.500 -Okay. -...correctly. 1570 01:09:45.667 --> 01:09:48.000 All right, so the test is about to begin. Please remain still. 1571 01:09:48.083 --> 01:09:50.083 ♪ 1572 01:09:50.208 --> 01:09:52.542 What would you believe, 1573 01:09:52.667 --> 01:09:56.375 if, in these key areas of the exam, 1574 01:09:56.542 --> 01:10:00.083 George comes back as being untruthful? 1575 01:10:00.208 --> 01:10:04.875 [stammers] That would be life-changing for me. 1576 01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:08.167 I... If... If I thought he had anything to do with this, 1577 01:10:08.333 --> 01:10:13.458 and I went through all this, and he was a part of it... 1578 01:10:13.542 --> 01:10:14.750 I couldn't live with him anymore. 1579 01:10:14.875 --> 01:10:18.417 ♪♪ 1580 01:10:23.500 --> 01:10:27.583 All right, so the test is about to begin. Please remain still. 1581 01:10:27.708 --> 01:10:31.542 Did you actively cause Caylee's disappearance? 1582 01:10:31.667 --> 01:10:32.792 No. 1583 01:10:32.875 --> 01:10:35.250 ♪♪ 1584 01:10:35.375 --> 01:10:37.958 Did you knowingly conceal Caylee's whereabouts? 1585 01:10:38.042 --> 01:10:40.833 No. 1586 01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:42.375 ♪ 1587 01:10:42.542 --> 01:10:44.792 Don't move your feet when you answer. 1588 01:10:44.875 --> 01:10:46.917 ♪♪ 1589 01:10:47.042 --> 01:10:51.458 Did you ever harm your daughter, Casey, when she was a child? 1590 01:10:51.583 --> 01:10:53.167 No. 1591 01:10:53.292 --> 01:10:55.042 You stop moving your feet, George. 1592 01:10:55.208 --> 01:10:57.292 -I-I-I-- -It's gonna affect you, George. 1593 01:10:57.375 --> 01:10:59.208 I'm asking you to stay focused on what we're doing. 1594 01:10:59.333 --> 01:11:00.958 It's your test, George. It's your test. 1595 01:11:01.125 --> 01:11:02.708 I know, and I'm screwing it up. 1596 01:11:05.167 --> 01:11:06.875 Did you place Caylee's body in the ground? 1597 01:11:11.750 --> 01:11:13.708 No. 1598 01:11:13.833 --> 01:11:16.667 Okay, this part of the test is over. Please remain still. 1599 01:11:16.792 --> 01:11:20.000 Okay. 1600 01:11:20.125 --> 01:11:21.292 Okay, George, go ahead and recover. 1601 01:11:21.375 --> 01:11:23.333 That means you can move. 1602 01:11:23.500 --> 01:11:26.125 Okay, great. Take a quick break. You need some water? 1603 01:11:26.208 --> 01:11:27.167 Sorry if I'm shaking a little bit. 1604 01:11:27.292 --> 01:11:29.375 I just have an issue with my, uh, 1605 01:11:29.500 --> 01:11:30.375 -Yeah. -...left hand and stuff 1606 01:11:30.500 --> 01:11:32.667 from my accident. -Okay. Yeah. 1607 01:11:32.792 --> 01:11:36.667 -Yeah, it does move a bit. -Yeah. 1608 01:11:36.708 --> 01:11:37.458 And then your feet, too, right? Try and keep those feet still 1609 01:11:37.542 --> 01:11:38.625 when you answer. -Okay. 1610 01:11:38.708 --> 01:11:40.667 [Olivo] Okay. Appreciate that. 1611 01:11:40.750 --> 01:11:42.750 All right. Let me know when you're ready. 1612 01:11:42.875 --> 01:11:44.667 -We'll do it again. -I'm ready, sir. 1613 01:11:44.792 --> 01:11:46.125 Okay. 1614 01:11:46.208 --> 01:11:48.292 Okay, the test is about to begin. 1615 01:11:48.417 --> 01:11:49.708 Please remain still. 1616 01:11:49.875 --> 01:11:51.333 ♪ 1617 01:11:51.458 --> 01:11:52.833 Regarding Caylee's disappearance, 1618 01:11:52.917 --> 01:11:55.083 do you intend to lie during this test? 1619 01:11:55.208 --> 01:11:56.542 No. 1620 01:11:56.708 --> 01:11:58.875 ♪ 1621 01:11:59.042 --> 01:12:01.000 There were people at the center of the story 1622 01:12:01.125 --> 01:12:02.625 who you love desperately. 1623 01:12:02.750 --> 01:12:07.083 Someone, or both of them, are not telling the truth. 1624 01:12:07.208 --> 01:12:09.375 Right. I mean, you can love someone, 1625 01:12:09.500 --> 01:12:11.667 and sometimes they disappoint you. 1626 01:12:11.750 --> 01:12:14.417 But to me, that's beyond disappointment. 1627 01:12:14.542 --> 01:12:16.458 -Yeah. -That's betrayal. 1628 01:12:16.542 --> 01:12:19.542 Did you knowingly conceal Caylee's whereabouts? 1629 01:12:21.167 --> 01:12:22.458 No. 1630 01:12:22.583 --> 01:12:28.333 ♪ 1631 01:12:28.458 --> 01:12:30.333 Okay, so the test is over. 1632 01:12:30.458 --> 01:12:32.083 I'm gonna review the data. 1633 01:12:32.208 --> 01:12:34.417 -Get back with you... -Yes, sir. 1634 01:12:34.542 --> 01:12:37.125 ...uh, with the results. Any questions for me about this? 1635 01:12:37.208 --> 01:12:40.458 -Uh, no, sir. I'm... -You feel all right? 1636 01:12:40.542 --> 01:12:41.833 Those... [sighs] what-- questions you're asking me, 1637 01:12:41.958 --> 01:12:43.542 that is a very... 1638 01:12:43.708 --> 01:12:46.792 This is really hard, especially when you know that 1639 01:12:46.875 --> 01:12:49.000 never got a chance to see my granddaughter again. 1640 01:12:49.083 --> 01:12:52.333 It's... It's... It's hard. 1641 01:12:52.458 --> 01:12:54.625 I know. I know. Yeah. 1642 01:12:54.708 --> 01:12:57.042 A matter of fact, I've had family tell me, 1643 01:12:57.208 --> 01:12:59.208 "Oh, you should just go on with your life. Forget about it." 1644 01:12:59.375 --> 01:13:01.500 -You can't forget. -[Olivo] Of course not. 1645 01:13:01.667 --> 01:13:04.458 And there's some days I remembered very vividly. 1646 01:13:04.583 --> 01:13:06.167 Other ones maybe not as much, but I always wanted to be just 1647 01:13:06.250 --> 01:13:10.167 known as a good guy. That's all I ever, ever wanted in my life. 1648 01:13:10.250 --> 01:13:12.792 This is not the way I thought my life was ever going to be. 1649 01:13:12.958 --> 01:13:15.833 Never did. 1650 01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:17.333 She tells me things sometimes that hurt. 1651 01:13:17.500 --> 01:13:18.875 I understand why she does. 1652 01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:21.208 Since his accident, he's... 1653 01:13:21.375 --> 01:13:23.625 talks about not wanting to be around. 1654 01:13:23.750 --> 01:13:25.667 He wants to be with Caylee and stuff like that. 1655 01:13:25.833 --> 01:13:27.875 -But he's-- -Why does he think that way? 1656 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:31.208 Well, he feels like after the accident, 1657 01:13:31.375 --> 01:13:33.500 he's not strong anymore, he's less of a man, 1658 01:13:33.583 --> 01:13:35.417 and he feels like he's let me down. 1659 01:13:35.542 --> 01:13:37.417 And I said, you haven't let me down. 1660 01:13:37.542 --> 01:13:40.667 I said, you let me down. If you do something stupid. 1661 01:13:40.708 --> 01:13:46.750 I got the best person, my wife, to keep things stable. 1662 01:13:46.875 --> 01:13:48.583 She tells me things sometimes that hurt, 1663 01:13:48.708 --> 01:13:50.333 but I understand why she does. 1664 01:13:50.458 --> 01:13:52.625 [Olivo] Yeah. Tells you what you need to hear. 1665 01:13:52.750 --> 01:13:54.583 Yes, sir. 1666 01:13:54.708 --> 01:13:56.333 Just wish she didn't have to go through this stuff-- 1667 01:13:56.458 --> 01:13:58.333 all the stuff she's been through. 1668 01:13:58.458 --> 01:14:01.125 So, uh, you know, we'll look-- 1669 01:14:01.208 --> 01:14:03.542 I'll look at the data. I think it's--it's clean enough 1670 01:14:03.708 --> 01:14:06.125 to where we can, uh, make some-- make some calls here, 1671 01:14:06.208 --> 01:14:08.417 get back with you... -Yes, sir. 1672 01:14:08.542 --> 01:14:11.375 ...uh, with the results, uh, at a later date. Okay? 1673 01:14:11.542 --> 01:14:14.833 [sighs] Oh, man. 1674 01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:18.417 ♪ 1675 01:14:29.375 --> 01:14:31.542 [Harris] Cindy? George? 1676 01:14:31.708 --> 01:14:33.583 -[George] Hey, sir. -Hey. How are ya? 1677 01:14:33.708 --> 01:14:35.500 -Thank you for coming. -Yeah, of course. 1678 01:14:35.625 --> 01:14:37.458 -Thank you. -Uh, big day. 1679 01:14:37.542 --> 01:14:39.000 -Yes. -Results day. 1680 01:14:39.125 --> 01:14:40.625 -Yes. -You ready? 1681 01:14:40.708 --> 01:14:42.000 -I'm ready. -You are? 1682 01:14:42.083 --> 01:14:43.667 -Okay. -Yes, I'm ready. 1683 01:14:43.792 --> 01:14:45.458 -I wanna get this over with. -George? 1684 01:14:45.542 --> 01:14:47.250 Yes. I'd like to get some answers. 1685 01:14:47.375 --> 01:14:49.875 Okay, well, then let's head inside. 1686 01:14:49.958 --> 01:14:53.333 Waiting for the results has been hard for George and I. 1687 01:14:53.542 --> 01:14:55.708 But the fact that he could be untruthful, 1688 01:14:55.875 --> 01:14:58.208 it's the most unthinkable thing. 1689 01:14:58.375 --> 01:15:00.083 Before we get the results, 1690 01:15:00.250 --> 01:15:03.208 I just want all of us to sort of understand why we're here. 1691 01:15:03.375 --> 01:15:07.458 You both understand that there is 1692 01:15:07.542 --> 01:15:10.375 a high degree of reliability to this test. 1693 01:15:10.542 --> 01:15:11.833 Right. I'm ready. I've, you know, I'm-- 1694 01:15:11.958 --> 01:15:14.708 -[Harris] For the results? -I'm ready for the results. 1695 01:15:14.875 --> 01:15:16.125 George, are you ready for the results? 1696 01:15:16.250 --> 01:15:17.417 Yes. 1697 01:15:17.542 --> 01:15:18.917 Whatever comes out of it, 1698 01:15:19.042 --> 01:15:20.833 you have to take responsibility for. 1699 01:15:20.917 --> 01:15:23.625 -I will. -Okay. 1700 01:15:23.792 --> 01:15:26.000 So, I've done a careful analysis of all the data 1701 01:15:26.125 --> 01:15:28.917 that was collected from your polygraph examinations, 1702 01:15:29.042 --> 01:15:30.458 using best practices. 1703 01:15:30.625 --> 01:15:33.125 For quality assurance, uh, 1704 01:15:33.250 --> 01:15:37.167 I met with another retired FBI polygraph examiner. 1705 01:15:37.333 --> 01:15:39.333 Uh, he reviewed all of my work, 1706 01:15:39.500 --> 01:15:41.667 and he came up with his own conclusions 1707 01:15:41.833 --> 01:15:44.500 independently without any input from me, 1708 01:15:44.583 --> 01:15:45.625 obviously, without meeting you. 1709 01:15:45.708 --> 01:15:47.458 Uh, at the end of the day, 1710 01:15:47.542 --> 01:15:50.542 uh, we both agreed on the final results. 1711 01:15:50.708 --> 01:15:55.667 So, uh, what I'm about to share with you, 1712 01:15:55.792 --> 01:15:57.292 uh, I'm doing with a high degree of confidence. 1713 01:15:57.417 --> 01:15:58.917 Okay. 1714 01:16:01.083 --> 01:16:03.000 -Cindy. -Yes. 1715 01:16:04.708 --> 01:16:08.042 The scope of your exam was whether or not 1716 01:16:08.167 --> 01:16:12.708 George has secretly confessed to you any involvement 1717 01:16:12.833 --> 01:16:15.417 in the disappearance and death of Caylee Anthony. 1718 01:16:15.542 --> 01:16:16.917 -Okay. -Um... 1719 01:16:17.042 --> 01:16:18.500 Your exam contained three relevant questions 1720 01:16:18.625 --> 01:16:20.375 that were evaluated. 1721 01:16:20.500 --> 01:16:21.833 Did George ever confirm 1722 01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:23.792 that he was actively involved in Caylee's death? 1723 01:16:23.875 --> 01:16:24.667 No. 1724 01:16:24.792 --> 01:16:26.750 Did George ever confirm 1725 01:16:26.833 --> 01:16:29.042 that he actively participated in Caylee's disappearance? 1726 01:16:29.208 --> 01:16:30.667 No. 1727 01:16:30.750 --> 01:16:31.958 [Olivo] Did George ever say that he knew 1728 01:16:33.458 --> 01:16:33.667 where Caylee was while she was missing? 1729 01:16:34.292 --> 01:16:35.042 [Cindy] No. 1730 01:16:36.208 --> 01:16:37.042 I asked you these questions multiple times 1731 01:16:38.083 --> 01:16:38.500 during the examination to get a pattern. 1732 01:16:38.625 --> 01:16:40.167 Right. 1733 01:16:40.250 --> 01:16:43.167 And your results are that you passed this test 1734 01:16:43.250 --> 01:16:46.500 with no deception indicated to the relevant questions. 1735 01:16:46.625 --> 01:16:49.833 So, in my professional opinion, you were truthful. 1736 01:16:49.917 --> 01:16:52.792 I believe you, and you deserve to be believed. 1737 01:16:52.875 --> 01:16:55.083 Thank you. Appreciate it. 1738 01:16:55.208 --> 01:16:56.875 It's not gonna help finding what happened to Caylee 1739 01:16:57.042 --> 01:16:58.833 by not being truthful. -Right. 1740 01:16:59.000 --> 01:17:00.917 And that's been the whole point. 1741 01:17:01.042 --> 01:17:03.958 I mean, I did everything I could and beyond 1742 01:17:04.083 --> 01:17:07.542 to try to bring my dau-- my granddaughter home safely. 1743 01:17:07.667 --> 01:17:09.958 So, my focus has always been Caylee. 1744 01:17:10.083 --> 01:17:11.792 George... 1745 01:17:11.875 --> 01:17:16.000 ♪♪ 1746 01:17:16.083 --> 01:17:19.000 You took two examinations, George. 1747 01:17:19.167 --> 01:17:20.667 Yes. 1748 01:17:20.792 --> 01:17:23.333 Uh, The scope of one of your exams 1749 01:17:23.500 --> 01:17:25.333 had to do with whether or not 1750 01:17:25.458 --> 01:17:28.417 you were involved in child molestation 1751 01:17:28.542 --> 01:17:30.958 with your daughter Casey 1752 01:17:31.042 --> 01:17:35.833 and, uh, as well with, uh, your granddaughter, Caylee. 1753 01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:40.000 Your exam contained three relevant questions. 1754 01:17:40.125 --> 01:17:43.500 Did you ever have sexual contact with Casey? 1755 01:17:43.625 --> 01:17:46.083 -You answered no. -No. 1756 01:17:46.250 --> 01:17:49.375 Did you ever touch Casey for sexual gratification? 1757 01:17:49.500 --> 01:17:52.333 You answered no. 1758 01:17:52.500 --> 01:17:54.792 And as an adult, 1759 01:17:54.875 --> 01:17:57.583 have you ever had sexual contact with a minor? 1760 01:17:57.708 --> 01:18:00.292 Which would include any minor, And you answered no. 1761 01:18:00.375 --> 01:18:03.500 I asked you the same questions multiple times 1762 01:18:03.625 --> 01:18:06.708 during the examination, George. -Yes. 1763 01:18:06.875 --> 01:18:11.167 The results of that examination, George, are... 1764 01:18:17.208 --> 01:18:20.167 ♪ 1765 01:18:26.167 --> 01:18:30.542 George, uh, the scope of one of your exams 1766 01:18:30.708 --> 01:18:32.833 had to do with whether or not 1767 01:18:32.958 --> 01:18:35.667 you were involved in child molestation 1768 01:18:35.792 --> 01:18:38.042 with your daughter Casey 1769 01:18:38.208 --> 01:18:41.542 and as well with your granddaughter Caylee. 1770 01:18:41.667 --> 01:18:46.667 ♪♪ 1771 01:18:46.792 --> 01:18:49.958 Your results are you passed this test, George, 1772 01:18:50.083 --> 01:18:54.000 with no deception indicated to all of the relevant questions. 1773 01:18:54.083 --> 01:18:57.542 In my professional opinion, you were truthful. 1774 01:18:57.667 --> 01:19:01.000 [Cindy] No doubt. I would never have stood for it. No doubt. 1775 01:19:01.083 --> 01:19:02.125 [crying] 1776 01:19:02.250 --> 01:19:03.750 [Cindy, voice breaking] No doubt. 1777 01:19:03.875 --> 01:19:06.333 [sniffles and sobs] 1778 01:19:06.458 --> 01:19:10.333 [sobbing] 1779 01:19:10.458 --> 01:19:14.083 Oh, my God. Oh, man. 1780 01:19:14.250 --> 01:19:17.000 [exhales deeply] 1781 01:19:17.125 --> 01:19:22.708 I'm sorry, but I've been wanting to have someone... 1782 01:19:22.833 --> 01:19:24.833 -To believe you? -...believe me. 1783 01:19:24.958 --> 01:19:26.375 George, you deserve to be believed about that. 1784 01:19:26.542 --> 01:19:28.708 [continues sobbing] 1785 01:19:30.542 --> 01:19:33.792 George, you took a second exam as well. 1786 01:19:33.917 --> 01:19:37.583 The scope of the other exam is to determine 1787 01:19:37.750 --> 01:19:40.000 whether or not you had any involvement 1788 01:19:40.083 --> 01:19:44.250 in Caylee's death or-- and/or disappearance. 1789 01:19:44.375 --> 01:19:46.875 Did you actively cause Caylee's disappearance? 1790 01:19:47.042 --> 01:19:49.333 No. 1791 01:19:49.458 --> 01:19:52.125 Did you knowingly conceal Caylee's whereabouts? 1792 01:19:52.208 --> 01:19:53.917 No. 1793 01:19:54.042 --> 01:19:56.417 Did you place Caylee's body in the ground? 1794 01:19:56.542 --> 01:19:59.417 No. 1795 01:19:59.542 --> 01:20:01.000 ♪ 1796 01:20:01.125 --> 01:20:04.583 The results of that examination, George... 1797 01:20:04.708 --> 01:20:09.583 ♪ 1798 01:20:09.708 --> 01:20:10.833 ...you passed that exam. 1799 01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:14.083 And I saw no deception 1800 01:20:14.208 --> 01:20:16.333 indicated to all of the relevant questions. 1801 01:20:16.458 --> 01:20:19.792 In my professional opinion, you were truthful. 1802 01:20:22.208 --> 01:20:24.917 -[exhales deeply] -I've always believed you. 1803 01:20:25.042 --> 01:20:28.292 'Cause I tell you, she won't even n--tell you. 1804 01:20:28.458 --> 01:20:30.583 There were so many times I just didn't wanna be here 1805 01:20:30.708 --> 01:20:33.333 'cause I don't think I could stand... 1806 01:20:33.458 --> 01:20:36.333 being pulled in something that I didn't do. [sniffles] 1807 01:20:36.500 --> 01:20:38.625 [Olivo] You should be considered a trustworthy man 1808 01:20:38.708 --> 01:20:42.500 based on these results. 1809 01:20:42.625 --> 01:20:44.292 How does it feel to hear that? 1810 01:20:44.417 --> 01:20:46.667 It says it takes a lot of weight off of you. 1811 01:20:46.750 --> 01:20:49.833 But, you know, whenever I... 1812 01:20:49.917 --> 01:20:52.833 would pray to Caylee, which I do every day, 1813 01:20:52.958 --> 01:20:54.042 I says, you know, "Someday," I said, 1814 01:20:54.208 --> 01:20:55.542 "I'm gonna get the answers... [sighs] 1815 01:20:55.708 --> 01:20:57.542 to be with you and have a pure heart..." 1816 01:20:57.708 --> 01:20:58.875 Aah! 1817 01:20:59.000 --> 01:21:01.208 ...and I got pure heart. 1818 01:21:03.042 --> 01:21:05.250 Your husband should be 1819 01:21:05.375 --> 01:21:08.667 considered a trustworthy man based on these results. 1820 01:21:08.792 --> 01:21:11.333 Right. I never felt otherwise about that. 1821 01:21:11.417 --> 01:21:13.667 I was adamant that he never touched her. 1822 01:21:13.750 --> 01:21:17.125 I was adamant that he never had anything to do with C-- 1823 01:21:17.292 --> 01:21:21.000 I saw his pain every day, not knowing where Caylee was. 1824 01:21:21.208 --> 01:21:23.917 We've been linked together for 43 years, 1825 01:21:24.083 --> 01:21:27.167 and his burden is my burden. 1826 01:21:27.292 --> 01:21:31.375 And I feel--I feel in my body a release of his burden. 1827 01:21:31.458 --> 01:21:33.417 And I'm so happy for him. 1828 01:21:33.500 --> 01:21:35.667 This feels so momentous. 1829 01:21:35.750 --> 01:21:37.167 -[Cindy] It is. -[George] It is. 1830 01:21:37.292 --> 01:21:40.000 And incredibly sad at the same time. 1831 01:21:40.125 --> 01:21:41.917 It is. 1832 01:21:42.042 --> 01:21:43.917 I wanna know what it is 1833 01:21:44.042 --> 01:21:46.500 you would like to say to your daughter. 1834 01:21:46.625 --> 01:21:52.000 You owe your dad a big apology. I'll never forgive her. 1835 01:21:52.125 --> 01:21:55.542 I will always love her. I will always wish her well. 1836 01:21:55.708 --> 01:21:58.000 And I hope someday she has peace. 1837 01:21:58.125 --> 01:22:03.875 But I hope she someday finds the truth and accepts the truth. 1838 01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:07.333 Not her truth, the real truth. 1839 01:22:07.500 --> 01:22:10.458 George, uh, same question to you. 1840 01:22:10.542 --> 01:22:12.083 What do you wanna say to your daughter? 1841 01:22:12.208 --> 01:22:14.583 ♪♪ 1842 01:22:14.708 --> 01:22:18.333 Casey, I love you. 1843 01:22:18.458 --> 01:22:22.333 I don't like you at all for what you put Caylee through, 1844 01:22:22.500 --> 01:22:25.208 your mom, me... 1845 01:22:25.375 --> 01:22:26.833 your brother. 1846 01:22:26.958 --> 01:22:29.833 It hurts so bad to know that I... 1847 01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:32.167 I have felt so many times I wanted to end my life 1848 01:22:32.250 --> 01:22:35.542 because of this, and, uh... 1849 01:22:35.667 --> 01:22:38.417 Just know that... 1850 01:22:38.542 --> 01:22:40.042 you blew it. 1851 01:22:40.167 --> 01:22:42.417 You blew it with this family. 1852 01:22:44.792 --> 01:22:46.667 I'm very confident with the results. 1853 01:22:46.833 --> 01:22:49.833 I have no doubt that George and Cindy passed their exams. 1854 01:22:49.958 --> 01:22:51.208 They did everything they were supposed to do. 1855 01:22:51.375 --> 01:22:52.542 We're never gonna know everything 1856 01:22:52.708 --> 01:22:53.833 that happened in that family. 1857 01:22:53.958 --> 01:22:55.375 When I learned of Casey's allegations, 1858 01:22:55.542 --> 01:22:58.750 I watched her-- her, uh, documentary. 1859 01:22:58.875 --> 01:23:03.458 And she, to me, did not-- did not come across as credible. 1860 01:23:03.583 --> 01:23:06.667 There was a lot of other things about her--about her demeanor 1861 01:23:06.792 --> 01:23:10.333 that suggest that perhaps the truth was not on her side. 1862 01:23:10.458 --> 01:23:12.292 But I-I... 1863 01:23:12.417 --> 01:23:14.250 probably shouldn't comment anymore on that 1864 01:23:14.375 --> 01:23:17.833 without talking to her face to face. 1865 01:23:17.958 --> 01:23:19.667 How does your life change, 1866 01:23:19.750 --> 01:23:22.875 essentially, from this moment on? 1867 01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:26.000 Well, I'll tell you right now, I'll be able to walk outside, 1868 01:23:26.208 --> 01:23:28.417 go some places with my wife a little bit more, 1869 01:23:28.542 --> 01:23:31.375 hold my head up high, have a smile on my face. 1870 01:23:31.542 --> 01:23:32.875 [fussing] 1871 01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:34.833 Even though I lost my granddaughter 1872 01:23:34.917 --> 01:23:36.292 that I will never see until the day I die, 1873 01:23:36.375 --> 01:23:37.458 and hopefully I'll be with her. 1874 01:23:37.542 --> 01:23:38.667 Bye! 1875 01:23:38.792 --> 01:23:41.292 [airplane roaring overhead] 1876 01:23:41.375 --> 01:23:45.958 George did lose a big part of who he was. 1877 01:23:46.083 --> 01:23:48.875 Our family was a masterpiece. 1878 01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:54.458 And our masterpiece started the day that George and I met. 1879 01:23:54.583 --> 01:23:57.083 And I'm hoping we can get that masterpiece 1880 01:23:57.208 --> 01:23:58.708 even more beautiful 1881 01:23:58.792 --> 01:24:04.000 or fill in the darkness that fell on our masterpiece. 1882 01:24:04.125 --> 01:24:06.417 Today is a, you know, like a new beginning, 1883 01:24:06.542 --> 01:24:09.458 and I know I've got my husband back. 1884 01:24:09.542 --> 01:24:13.500 That's enough to make me cry tears of happiness. 1885 01:24:13.542 --> 01:24:15.708 [voice breaking] Maybe I can have some happiness in my life. 1886 01:24:15.875 --> 01:24:17.958 Whew. [exhales deeply] 1887 01:24:18.042 --> 01:24:21.083 Having a polygraph test... 1888 01:24:21.208 --> 01:24:23.500 [scoffs] it's made me feel like me again. 1889 01:24:23.667 --> 01:24:27.708 I have my life back again. I have my life back. 1890 01:24:30.750 --> 01:24:33.250 I could be happy again. 1891 01:24:33.375 --> 01:24:35.333 The truth is on your side. 1892 01:24:35.500 --> 01:24:43.167 ♪