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OK...
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so what happens?
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- Um...
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I'm actually with, uh...
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with Natalee
walking along the beach.
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We lay down together
in the sand...
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And we start
kissing each other.
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I start feeling her up again,
she tells me no.
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Joran, Joran!
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It's a name we'd hope
we never have to hear again,
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Joran van der Sloot.
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She's laying down
unconscious...
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Possibly even, uh, even dead.
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I decide to take her
and to put her into the ocean.
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That's not what happened.
I'm convinced of that.
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There's absolutely
no reason to believe me.
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I would probably not
believe myself, no.
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This kid got away with it.
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So why does he
kill another person
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when he was as free as a bird?
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Joran, Joran!
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Joran van der Sloot,
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a suspect
in the disappearance
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of Natalee Holloway,
is now the number one suspect
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in the murder of a young woman
here in Lima.
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He shows absolutely
no remorse.
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He shows such a lack
of concern.
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But if you don't
think that this story
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could get any darker,
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stand by, because it does.
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A surprising development
in a mystery
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going back almost 20 years.
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- Van der Sloot is accused of
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offering to tell
Natalee's family
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where she was buried
in exchange for $1/4 million.
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To come up with this
master plan of extorting
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the grieving mother,
it's so far beyond
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what you would expect even
a psychopathic killer to do.
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- 18 years later, my mom is
standing in the courthouse
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within feet of the guy that--
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that killed my sister.
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He has single-handedly
destroyed everyone around him
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just for his own selfish
existence on this earth.
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- It's just important for
everyone to know the truth.
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- He's incapable
of telling the truth.
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He's a pathological liar.
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Mm...
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First, a very serious story.
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A high school senior
from Alabama is missing today.
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She disappeared during
a trip to Aruba.
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She was there celebrating
her graduation.
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Nicknamed "Hootie,"
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Natalee went to Aruba
on a senior trip.
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This story just broke
across the wires today.
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We're going to be following
it up on it tomorrow.
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I remember sitting
on the bus
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and one of our chaperones
saying, you know,
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has anyone seen Natalee?
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Everyone is here
except for Natalee.
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And so at first,
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she must have, like, been
sleeping through her alarm.
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Um...
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But then very, very quickly,
it took a pretty scary turn.
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She wasn't in her room.
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She wasn't on the beach.
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We collectively started
trying to understand, like,
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who saw her last
and who was she with.
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A lot of us were not prepared
to leave without her.
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We were all just devastated.
Just devastated.
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This is what our
parents had always
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told us to be careful of.
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Natalee is a good girl
from a good family,
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straight-A student, she's
about to go off to college.
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All right.
Who's our special guest today?
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- It's Hootie.
- Hootie Hoo Holloway.
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Hi, friend.
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Just, you know,
sitting in the back,
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cruising over to my place.
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Called her Hootie.
She was hilarious.
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There's Hootie.
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But if she liked or didn't
like something, you knew.
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A fearless friend,
so completely herself.
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Like so silly, so fun,
so smart.
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She had a full scholarship
to the University of Alabama.
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Her plan was to do pre-med.
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She earned that.
She worked so hard.
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I have no doubt
that she would
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be the best physician
out there.
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How could this happen?
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When you were watching this,
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you just wanted the worst-case
scenario not to be true.
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She's approximately 5'5".
She weighs about 110 pounds.
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Beth Holloway is
absolutely convinced
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that something has happened.
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She's desperate
to find Natalee,
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and she actually arranges
to be flown down to the island.
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By the time we were home,
Beth was in Aruba.
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We all gathered at my house,
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just trying
to rack our brains,
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relay any information that
we possibly can back to Beth.
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Within hours,
we had realized who Joran was.
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One friend could describe him
and she could name him.
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Beth goes to the Holiday Inn
where Natalee had been staying.
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And at the desk is a woman
who remembers Natalee.
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And when Beth says
the name Joran,
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she knows exactly who he is.
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He's here often.
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She said, oh,
that's Joran van der Sloot,
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he likes to prey upon
young female tourists.
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When I heard that,
I was like, oh, my gosh.
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Oh dear God, you know,
he got one, you know?
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She didn't answer her phone,
so it was not normal.
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My dad got worried,
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and he started
to call all her friends.
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Then we find out that the
last place that they saw her
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was entering to the casino.
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The family approached
the owner of the casino.
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They bring the Flores' family
into the back room
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and they start
matching up the cameras.
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They find Stephany.
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They see the guy
standing next to her.
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You see them
on the casino floor.
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They're gambling together
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and this is
camera after camera,
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just one angle
cutting to the next.
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You can trace their movements
through the casino
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until they walk out of the
casino into the dark together.
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So at that point,
they have a face.
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They don't have a name yet,
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but Joran had registered
for a prize at the casino.
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So when he registered
for that,
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he put down his name.
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So all of a sudden,
they have a name,
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they have a face,
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punched it into the internet,
oh, my God.
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And at that moment,
we find out who he was.
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They're frantic.
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There's just howls
and shrieking
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and they know that the
daughter's probably dead.
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It was Natalee who asked me
to go out with her.
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It was her that asked me
to come to the club.
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It was her that was yelling
at me to go dance with her.
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Psychiatrists aren't allowed
to diagnose public figures
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without having
personally assessed them.
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That said, everything
I've read about him
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is consistent with
what you would see
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if he were psychopathic.
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Externalizing blame is
a real hallmark of psychopathy
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where everything
is somebody else's fault.
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It's never your fault.
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You can always come
up with a reason
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that somebody else
is really to blame.
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She came to me, she was
the one that talked to me.
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And she wanted to
come with us
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and... it was probably
a bad choice.
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We probably should
have told her
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she had to get out of the car.
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And then you never know
what would have happened.
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The teenager was last seen
leaving this establishment
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on Monday morning at 1:30.
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That night, Natalee
was one of my buddies.
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A lot of us are up on the bar
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dancing and talking,
and I snapped a photo.
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And you can see Natalee
talking to one of our friends,
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and we were just
having a great time.
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So when we were all ready
to go home, we were starving,
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and we were at the food truck
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right outside
Carlos'n Charlie's.
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And this is when
I saw Natalee in a car.
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The car was silver...
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and she was in the back seat.
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I can see her waving to us.
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I see it so vividly.
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She was really happy.
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She was laughing and singing
and waving to us.
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And so we literally were like,
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oh, how funny,
there goes Natalee.
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I guess she got a ride home.
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And...
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That was the last time
we saw her.
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- Her parents showed up
at my door with her picture.
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I didn't even know who
Natalee Holloway was.
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I didn't even know her name.
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Beth is really anxious.
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She's very worried
about her daughter.
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Now she has a name,
she's able to get an address.
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And she goes back to
the police station
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because she wants help.
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I knew a lot
of the police guys.
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On a small island,
we grow up together.
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I spoke English
like an American.
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And I looked more American
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than some of the other people
trying to help.
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So I said I'd be glad to
help in any way I could.
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Beth was very grieving
and very frustrated,
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but she was definitely
on a mission.
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I asked the police, do you
know where the guy lives?
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And she said, yeah, yeah.
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So we went and
we drove around the house.
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And I saw the silver car.
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So I felt settled in that
we were at the right place.
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Police knock on the door.
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Joran van der Sloot's father,
Paulus, answers the door.
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Then father said to Joran,
tell them what you know.
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And Joran said, no, I don't
know anything about her.
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I don't know who it is.
I did meet her.
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We went out
and had some drinks.
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But no,
that's as far as it goes.
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And I said,
you better tell the truth.
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Whatever it is,
if you did nothing, say that.
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Don't lie because you're going
to get in a lot of trouble.
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And then he said we took her
to the Holiday Inn.
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And at the Holiday Inn,
she got out and she tripped.
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When she tripped,
she banged her head,
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then went into
the Holiday Inn,
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but never came back
and they left.
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The feeling I got was that
he wasn't solid, you know.
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It's just a feeling
that you get
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from people when
they're not solid
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about what they're saying.
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I didn't know if he was guilty,
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but I did feel that
he wasn't innocent.
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And at that point,
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father looked at the crowd
and he said that's it.
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Joran van der Sloot's family
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was very influential
on the island.
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His mother was well-known
and well-liked.
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She was a schoolteacher.
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His father was a prominent
lawyer up for a judgeship.
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- Joran had moved to Aruba
when he was a young boy,
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but he'd been born
back in the Netherlands
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and the father wanted to work
his way up in the legal ranks,
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and maybe going to
a far-flung outpost
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was a way for him
to get a judgeship.
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So the family wound up
in this island paradise.
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For a teenage boy,
there was a lot to do.
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He had kind of
the run of the island
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and he had a mean streak.
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I mean, we had heard
that he had anger issues.
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We would hear that
from former girlfriends
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or people who knew the family.
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- There had been reports
of his abuse of animals.
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He had thrown a homeless man
off of a bridge,
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much to his amusement.
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There were reports
from women on the island
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that he had harassed or
sexually pressured young girls.
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One of the girls
was as young as 12.
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But the problem was
any of the women
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who had come forward
were so frightened
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by this media that was
now on the island
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that we really were
never able to get
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a full picture of what
exactly had transpired.
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Joran was creating some
tension in the home as well.
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He had two younger brothers
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and was bullying one
in particular.
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And at that point,
the family said,
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OK, this has gone on too far.
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Deliberately harming
an innocent victim
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just for the fun of it,
stealing, lying,
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when you start seeing not just
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one kind of
antisocial behavior,
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but a whole range of them,
that's when you start
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suspecting a kid has
a real disorder of aggression.
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These are children who
are at risk
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of becoming psychopathic
as adults.
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His mother, Anita,
did seek help
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and did have Joran speak
with a therapist on the island.
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And at one point,
Joran was moved from the house
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and into this guest cottage
where he could be on his own
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and there was
a physical separation
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between the brothers.
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And that gave him
the ability to just
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come and go as he pleased.
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So he looked older
for his age.
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He could go into casinos,
gamble.
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You could get free drinks
while you're gambling.
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It was perfect
and nobody questioned him.
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Joran is a teenager,
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17-year-old teenager
like every other boy.
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He's a very honest boy.
He's very sincere.
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Why--why would a boy who
has enough friends,
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who has a normal life
going on,
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why would a boy do something
wrong to a girl he just met?
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The truth will come out.
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And when I look at this boy,
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I only can say
he's telling the truth.
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Next day, the police found
her vehicle in an alley.
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He had changed his appearance
by the time he got to the car.
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He shaved his hair somewhat.
He had dyed it.
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He had changed his clothes.
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He knew that everyone was
looking for him at that point.
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As you know, our primary goal
is to bring Natalee back home.
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We will do whatever it takes.
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There is a significant reward
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for the person who
returns Natalee to us safely.
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Please help bring her home.
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The disappearance
of Natalee Holloway
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topped the ratings
over the Iraq War.
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I mean, the fascination
with the story
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was like nothing we'd ever
seen, you know, since OJ.
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- Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!
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- .
- Can you give us a statement?
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- Hey, hey, hey.
- Talk to us.
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It was the perfect storm.
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But let's go to Michelle
Kosinski for the very latest.
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Michelle,
what's been going on today?
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Today was really
about emotion.
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First, we saw
Natalee Holloway's mother,
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Beth, go--
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There are so many aspects
to it
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that grip people's attention.
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There's the mystery of it.
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There's the sympathetic fear of
I'm a parent,
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I send my kids away
to camp or whatever,
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and you tell yourself, oh,
what are the odds, you know.
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And then something happens
like on this level.
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You can't stop watching.
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And you want
everything to be OK,
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but you kind of know it isn't.
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And then you want to know
who did it and why.
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We have no information,
no clothing,
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no foot marks, no blood,
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nothing to go off of
to be able to dictate
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what happened
to this literal angel.
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They can find the haystack,
we can find the needles,
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so the problem is
where's the haystack?
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The FBI was here.
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Search dogs were here.
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The Dutch army even
flew over Aruba
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with special airplanes
that could detect heat.
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Summer 2005 was
a complete roller-coaster
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with media because it would
be this person has this lead.
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The security camera
at a gas station
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reportedly caught an image
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of what someone thought was
Natalee Holloway.
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Then it was big hopes,
super exciting.
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And in my mind,
I was like, oh, my gosh,
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we could talk to her tomorrow.
341
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We know that
she's on the island.
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It really feels strongly
that she's
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being kept against her will.
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Well, you know, and it was
so thrilling and so exciting.
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It turned out
those blonde hairs
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that were found on duct tape
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a few weeks ago were
not Natalee's.
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Crash.
Nothing.
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I had that gut feeling that,
uh...
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just as a parent,
you just have that feeling
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that she's not here anymore.
352
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But on the other hand, I had
to convince everybody else
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that I had the wrong feelings,
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that maybe we would find her
alive or whatever.
355
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But I had that sinking feeling
that things aren't right.
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I remember my dad jumping
down into a landfill
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and just physically ripping
open trash bags, garbage bags,
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moving large appliances,
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picking up stuff
with his bare hands
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and just searching
for Natalee's body.
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My dad was in that 100%
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and seeing that was
really powerful.
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There's a lot of times
over the years
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where sunglasses were
my best friend.
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And, you know,
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to hide the tears that were
running down your face.
367
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So I started having
panic attacks,
368
00:26:58.827 --> 00:27:01.371
and the attacks became so bad,
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I thought I was going to have
a heart attack.
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Sometimes you lose it
and you start
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just digging in a sand dune
or--
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let's look in this hole,
you know,
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knowing that
there's nothing there,
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you know, but let's do it.
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It's just really hard
to be around
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that kind of loss and emotion.
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Like, that kind
of loss, it's so awful.
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It's so deep and you're around
it day after day, you know.
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Authorities continue
to question
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three men Holloway was
last seen with.
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Dutch teen,
Joran van der Sloot,
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and Surinamese brothers,
Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.
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All three men
apparently acknowledged
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giving her a ride
back to her hotel
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the night of her
disappearance.
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They had interviewed
the three suspects,
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and they said the route
they took
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was around the lighthouse,
and then they came back
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and dropped her off in
the lobby of the Holiday Inn.
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The surveillance footage of
the Holiday Inn was viewed
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and we found out that she
did not return to the hotel.
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There is absolutely
no footage of her
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anywhere outside of the hotel.
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There's no car
dropping her off.
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And at this point,
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Joran van der Sloot's story
begins to change.
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So now he claims that
he took Natalee to the beach
398
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and that he left Natalee
at the beach.
399
00:28:26.498 --> 00:28:28.041
I-I thought maybe
she'd understand.
400
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She told me, no, she wanted
me to stay there with her
401
00:28:30.168 --> 00:28:31.461
because the next
day she was leaving
402
00:28:31.503 --> 00:28:33.713
and she wanted to stay there
the whole night.
403
00:28:33.755 --> 00:28:35.382
I told her, no, I had to go.
404
00:28:35.423 --> 00:28:39.260
I even--I even lifted her up
to carry her back to her hotel.
405
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And she told me
to put her down.
406
00:28:43.515 --> 00:28:45.892
And he claims that he called
one of the Kalpoe brothers,
407
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Deepak, to come
and pick him up.
408
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And that he went home.
409
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:54.359
But...
410
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Police had gone back
and they were able to discover
411
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that, in fact, Deepak was home
that night on his computer.
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And at some time
after 3:00 a.m.,
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Joran had sent him a message
saying, I'm home.
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The story was unraveling.
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As pieces of evidence came in
that worked against him,
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he would switch his story.
417
00:29:20.885 --> 00:29:22.637 line:5%
- I would love for someone
to come and tell me
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if there's anything worse
I did because
419
00:29:24.723 --> 00:29:28.226 line:5%
I've never touched a girl in
an aggressive way in my life.
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Truly pathological liars,
that's exactly how they lie.
421
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When the lie is disproven,
422
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you turn around
and tell another lie
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without even stopping
to catch your breath.
424
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That's true
pathological lying.
425
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How did you feel
when you left her?
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Well, at the time I didn't--
427
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I didn't feel
it was a bad idea.
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At the time, I really didn't.
429
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You know, like you don't
care about the truth.
430
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I think one of the early
pictures I saw of him,
431
00:29:48.329 --> 00:29:50.206
he had a little bit of a smirk
on his face...
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Which I remember thinking
was a little bit surprising
433
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for somebody who was being,
you know,
434
00:29:55.712 --> 00:29:58.715
falsely accused of a terrible
crime you didn't commit.
435
00:29:58.757 --> 00:30:01.092
What was the last thing
that she said to you?
436
00:30:01.134 --> 00:30:02.969
Um--I--she didn't say
any last thing to me.
437
00:30:03.011 --> 00:30:05.597
The last thing I said to her
was bye.
438
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He came across as cocky
and not caring.
439
00:30:09.726 --> 00:30:12.062
It didn't faze him at all.
440
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I think Joran felt untouchable
441
00:30:14.189 --> 00:30:16.733
because of his father's status
on the island.
442
00:30:16.775 --> 00:30:18.401
How's he doing?
443
00:30:18.443 --> 00:30:21.237
Paulus has
a very close relationship
444
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:24.824
to the Chief of Police,
van der Straaten.
445
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They know each other
from the Netherlands
446
00:30:26.826 --> 00:30:29.537
and there was speculation
that Chief van der Straaten
447
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is Joran van der Sloot's
godfather.
448
00:30:32.457 --> 00:30:35.877
This is my name,
Commissioner van der Straaten.
449
00:30:35.919 --> 00:30:39.422
And at some point, we learn
that a meeting has taken place
450
00:30:39.464 --> 00:30:44.302
at the van der Sloot home
between Paulus van der Sloot,
451
00:30:44.344 --> 00:30:48.807
his son, Joran,
and the two Kalpoe brothers.
452
00:30:48.848 --> 00:30:51.768
The prosecutor's office
let us know that
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Joran van der Sloot's father
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allegedly told
all three of the boys
455
00:30:55.522 --> 00:30:58.608 line:5%
that without a body,
there is no case.
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It is believed
that Paulus was
457
00:31:00.652 --> 00:31:05.115
counseling the three of them
to not say anything,
458
00:31:05.156 --> 00:31:08.243
not speak to police.
459
00:31:08.284 --> 00:31:12.038
Because if there is no body,
there is no crime.
460
00:31:13.498 --> 00:31:17.293
At that point, suspicion
starts to really move
461
00:31:17.335 --> 00:31:19.587
to Joran's father, Paulus.
462
00:31:19.629 --> 00:31:22.799
Is there anything
you'd like to say?
463
00:31:22.841 --> 00:31:26.469
What does he know?
What is he counseling his son?
464
00:31:26.511 --> 00:31:28.805
Are they trying
to get their story straight?
465
00:31:28.847 --> 00:31:32.684
There's a belief that perhaps
Paulus was directly involved
466
00:31:32.726 --> 00:31:34.185
in whatever it was
467
00:31:34.227 --> 00:31:36.938
that happened to Natalee's body
after she died.
468
00:31:51.661 --> 00:31:53.663
11 days after
Natalee disappeared,
469
00:31:53.705 --> 00:31:57.042
police arrested Joran
the very day
470
00:31:57.083 --> 00:32:01.046
he was supposed to have
graduated from high school.
471
00:32:01.087 --> 00:32:03.131
Finally, finally,
472
00:32:03.173 --> 00:32:07.177 line:5%
Joran van der Sloot is arrested
under suspicion of murder.
473
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There's a lot of questions
about why now.
474
00:32:12.265 --> 00:32:13.683
Authorities are saying that
475
00:32:13.725 --> 00:32:15.643
they are doing everything
methodically, carefully,
476
00:32:15.685 --> 00:32:17.937
and by the book.
477
00:32:17.979 --> 00:32:20.440
There was no real piece
of evidence
478
00:32:20.482 --> 00:32:24.194
linking him
to Natalee's disappearance.
479
00:32:24.235 --> 00:32:28.490
But unlike our system where
you need to have evidence,
480
00:32:28.531 --> 00:32:30.033
in the Dutch system,
481
00:32:30.075 --> 00:32:33.787
you are able to hold somebody
under suspicion.
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00:32:33.828 --> 00:32:36.206 line:5%
It's called a
preventive detention.
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00:32:36.247 --> 00:32:42.962 line:5%
And during that period is when
the investigation goes deeper.
484
00:32:45.340 --> 00:32:49.719
With no real evidence
to further this case,
485
00:32:49.761 --> 00:32:52.222
police were really
looking at ways
486
00:32:52.263 --> 00:32:54.391
to try and get him to speak.
487
00:32:54.432 --> 00:32:56.810
And they did countless
interviews with him.
488
00:32:56.851 --> 00:33:00.397
These were intense
multi-hour interrogations.
489
00:33:00.438 --> 00:33:01.606 line:5%
The interrogations,
of course,
490
00:33:01.648 --> 00:33:03.483 line:5%
were horrible
because they put--
491
00:33:03.525 --> 00:33:05.402 line:5%
they put stuff in your head.
492
00:33:05.443 --> 00:33:07.278
They really try and
make you look guilty,
493
00:33:07.320 --> 00:33:08.947
even if you're not guilty.
494
00:33:08.988 --> 00:33:11.700
No matter who was
interviewing Joran,
495
00:33:11.741 --> 00:33:15.286
he would tell a story,
and it would feel
496
00:33:15.328 --> 00:33:17.330
as though he was getting
to the point
497
00:33:17.372 --> 00:33:20.750
where he was going
to perhaps confess.
498
00:33:20.792 --> 00:33:22.669
And then he would
always pull back,
499
00:33:22.711 --> 00:33:25.046
and the story would
go off on a tangent.
500
00:33:25.088 --> 00:33:27.966
And there would be
details that would come in
501
00:33:28.008 --> 00:33:31.177
that were not there before.
502
00:33:31.219 --> 00:33:33.263
And all of a sudden,
he's pointing the finger
503
00:33:33.304 --> 00:33:34.973
at the Kalpoe brothers...
504
00:33:37.392 --> 00:33:41.438
That they knew that he had
gone home
505
00:33:41.479 --> 00:33:44.065
and he had left Natalee
at the beach.
506
00:33:44.107 --> 00:33:47.819
And perhaps one of them
went back to the beach...
507
00:33:47.861 --> 00:33:50.488
and he killed Natalee.
508
00:33:50.530 --> 00:33:53.783
Just dancing circles
around the investigators.
509
00:33:53.825 --> 00:33:56.619
He seemed to be
enjoying himself.
510
00:33:56.661 --> 00:33:58.830 line:5%
He knew there was
no body to find.
511
00:33:58.872 --> 00:34:02.292 line:5%
His father had told
him, no body, no crime.
512
00:34:02.334 --> 00:34:03.835
How you doing, Joran?
513
00:34:03.877 --> 00:34:07.839
And he never once
admitted to this crime.
514
00:34:07.881 --> 00:34:10.008
And so people on the island
would say, well, you know,
515
00:34:10.050 --> 00:34:11.509
he was interrogated.
516
00:34:11.551 --> 00:34:14.596
He didn't admit it,
maybe he didn't do it.
517
00:34:14.637 --> 00:34:16.848
Or maybe he's a sociopath.
518
00:34:40.080 --> 00:34:43.625
Joran van der Sloot,
jailed since June 7th...
519
00:34:45.418 --> 00:34:48.755
Now a free man.
520
00:34:48.797 --> 00:34:52.217
He returned home to cheers
from friends and family.
521
00:34:52.258 --> 00:34:56.763
If they suspect that
you're a part of a crime,
522
00:34:56.805 --> 00:35:00.558 line:5%
it's up to the prosecutor to
gather additional information.
523
00:35:00.600 --> 00:35:02.477 line:5%
If they don't,
then they're set free.
524
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:04.771
And no new evidence
was presented.
525
00:35:04.813 --> 00:35:09.693
So, on September 3, 2005,
they let him go.
526
00:35:09.734 --> 00:35:14.364
Joran was the last person
seen with my daughter.
527
00:35:14.406 --> 00:35:16.282
He knows what happened.
528
00:35:16.324 --> 00:35:18.785
And now he's free and clear.
529
00:35:18.827 --> 00:35:22.872 line:5%
Joran looked at a very
bright future, just graduated,
530
00:35:22.914 --> 00:35:25.291 line:5%
accepted at a lot
of universities
531
00:35:25.333 --> 00:35:28.086 line:5%
and was ready to go
to Tampa to study.
532
00:35:28.128 --> 00:35:32.507
His life has been turned
upside down completely.
533
00:35:32.549 --> 00:35:35.260
I hope that everyone
gives Joran a chance
534
00:35:35.301 --> 00:35:37.137
to continue his life.
535
00:35:37.178 --> 00:35:39.431
For lying,
I probably deserved to be
536
00:35:39.472 --> 00:35:41.891
in that jail for three months.
537
00:35:41.933 --> 00:35:44.561
But I did not do anything
against the law, and...
538
00:35:44.602 --> 00:35:46.062
they have to let you go.
539
00:35:46.104 --> 00:35:48.356
They have to let me get on
with my life.
540
00:35:51.943 --> 00:35:55.113
I want to thank everyone
for coming.
541
00:35:55.155 --> 00:35:57.449
The day that Joran
was released from prison
542
00:35:57.490 --> 00:35:59.159
was a real turning point,
543
00:35:59.200 --> 00:36:01.411
you know, for Beth, for Dave,
544
00:36:01.453 --> 00:36:04.497
for anybody who was hoping
545
00:36:04.539 --> 00:36:08.251
for any kind of justice
for Natalee.
546
00:36:08.293 --> 00:36:11.212
What it was basically
telegraphing to everybody
547
00:36:11.254 --> 00:36:12.964
was...
548
00:36:13.006 --> 00:36:15.050
he got away with this.
549
00:36:15.091 --> 00:36:16.384
For the rest of my life,
550
00:36:16.426 --> 00:36:18.428
I will continue to be
the voice for my daughter,
551
00:36:18.470 --> 00:36:20.472
seeking justice in Aruba.
552
00:36:20.513 --> 00:36:23.391
Every parent would want
the same justice
553
00:36:23.433 --> 00:36:25.310
for their child.
554
00:36:25.352 --> 00:36:28.188
Thank you.
555
00:36:28.229 --> 00:36:30.607
We didn't think there
was a chance in hell
556
00:36:30.648 --> 00:36:33.985
that Joran would get out--
absolutely not.
557
00:36:34.027 --> 00:36:36.863
Joran is a time bomb
waiting to go off.
558
00:36:36.905 --> 00:36:39.657
And it truly concerns me
that another young female
559
00:36:39.699 --> 00:36:41.534
would fall victim to this.
560
00:36:41.576 --> 00:36:44.162
So I think the safest place
for Joran to be
561
00:36:44.204 --> 00:36:47.415
and for his potential victims
to be
562
00:36:47.457 --> 00:36:51.127
would be for him
to be behind bars.
563
00:36:51.169 --> 00:36:55.340
He does not need to have
another young female
564
00:36:55.382 --> 00:36:57.592
fall victim to his actions.
565
00:37:30.417 --> 00:37:31.584
The Flores family
566
00:37:31.626 --> 00:37:33.128
is becoming
more and more desperate.
567
00:37:33.169 --> 00:37:35.005 line:5%
They've got the news
of who this kid is.
568
00:37:35.046 --> 00:37:37.507
The more and more
time slips away,
569
00:37:37.549 --> 00:37:39.259
something terrible
has happened.
570
00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:41.261
They know it in their hearts.
571
00:42:02.939 --> 00:42:04.190
One of the suspects
572
00:42:04.232 --> 00:42:05.859
in Natalee Holloway's
disappearance
573
00:42:05.900 --> 00:42:07.277
left Aruba Monday.
574
00:42:07.318 --> 00:42:09.738
Joran van der Sloot
left to attend college
575
00:42:09.779 --> 00:42:11.531
in the Netherlands.
576
00:42:11.573 --> 00:42:14.534
Joran was supposed to go
to the United States.
577
00:42:14.576 --> 00:42:17.912 line:5%
He had a scholarship
to a college in Florida,
578
00:42:17.954 --> 00:42:19.789 line:5%
and he was going
to play tennis.
579
00:42:19.831 --> 00:42:21.875 line:5%
He was a fabulous tennis player
in Aruba.
580
00:42:21.916 --> 00:42:23.752
And so, all of a sudden,
581
00:42:23.793 --> 00:42:27.464
his whole life also is upended.
582
00:42:32.052 --> 00:42:34.095
His parents send him
back to the Netherlands,
583
00:42:34.137 --> 00:42:36.264
where he enrolls
in school there.
584
00:42:36.306 --> 00:42:40.018
And the media--intense media
is still following him.
585
00:42:45.982 --> 00:42:47.275 line:5%
In a sort of weird way,
586
00:42:47.317 --> 00:42:49.402 line:5%
he liked
the attention he was getting.
587
00:42:49.444 --> 00:42:51.363
Did you kill
Natalee Holloway?
588
00:42:51.404 --> 00:42:52.947
No.
589
00:42:52.989 --> 00:42:54.949
Everybody was talking
about this case.
590
00:42:54.991 --> 00:42:56.493
It went international,
591
00:42:56.534 --> 00:43:00.288
and I think that he would say
anything just to keep
592
00:43:00.330 --> 00:43:03.667
the limelight on himself.
593
00:43:03.708 --> 00:43:05.043 line:5%
Joran van der Sloot
594
00:43:05.085 --> 00:43:07.128 line:5%
quickly figured out
how to manipulate the media.
595
00:43:07.170 --> 00:43:09.339 line:5%
I think out of the gate,
he realized
596
00:43:09.381 --> 00:43:12.384
he could use this
to his advantage.
597
00:43:12.425 --> 00:43:14.844
It was almost a cat-and-mouse
game with him and the media,
598
00:43:14.886 --> 00:43:17.639
but as we know,
that game became
599
00:43:17.681 --> 00:43:19.557
very, very dangerous later on.
600
00:43:24.771 --> 00:43:27.315
Now for more on what
could be a major development
601
00:43:27.357 --> 00:43:29.109
in the disappearance
of Natalee Holloway.
602
00:43:29.150 --> 00:43:30.443
This Dutch reporter claims
603
00:43:30.485 --> 00:43:32.278
that he has solved
the Natalee Holloway case,
604
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:35.156 line:5%
that he
has a confession on tape.
605
00:43:35.198 --> 00:43:37.617 line:5%
We did
a hidden-camera operation.
606
00:43:37.659 --> 00:43:40.161
Peter de Vries
was a Dutch journalist,
607
00:43:40.203 --> 00:43:44.207
and, obviously,
he was hot on this story.
608
00:43:44.249 --> 00:43:46.835
And he is going to make it
his mission
609
00:43:46.876 --> 00:43:49.963
to get Joran to confess.
610
00:43:50.005 --> 00:43:53.758
Peter de Vries connects
with a gentleman
611
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:57.012
named Patrick van der Eem.
612
00:43:57.053 --> 00:43:59.723
And Patrick
has befriended Joran,
613
00:43:59.764 --> 00:44:01.933
and he's convinced
that he can get Joran
614
00:44:01.975 --> 00:44:05.020
to confess.
615
00:44:05.061 --> 00:44:08.189
So they end up
concocting a situation
616
00:44:08.231 --> 00:44:10.358
in which Joran is in a car
617
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:12.986
that they rigged
with cameras and audio.
618
00:44:13.028 --> 00:44:14.404
And, yeah...
619
00:44:35.592 --> 00:44:39.262
In this particular version
of events,
620
00:44:39.304 --> 00:44:41.890
he was with Natalee
at the beach,
621
00:44:41.931 --> 00:44:44.059
and she began convulsing.
622
00:44:44.100 --> 00:44:46.394
And she fell unconscious.
623
00:44:46.436 --> 00:44:48.271
He believed that she was dead,
624
00:44:48.313 --> 00:44:50.607
and he called a friend,
who came with a boat.
625
00:45:13.463 --> 00:45:15.507
We all gathered
at a friend's house,
626
00:45:15.548 --> 00:45:19.052
had this big screen that
we were going to watch it on.
627
00:45:19.094 --> 00:45:22.597 line:5%
It was wild to watch.
628
00:45:25.225 --> 00:45:28.228
In that interview,
he said Natalee is dead.
629
00:45:28.269 --> 00:45:29.646
So that was the first time
630
00:45:29.688 --> 00:45:32.232
that I had really, like, heard
that out loud.
631
00:45:32.273 --> 00:45:34.901
I need to start to come
to terms with that.
632
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:41.616 line:5%
I wanted to come
through the TV and kill him.
633
00:45:41.658 --> 00:45:44.786 line:5%
I wanted to peel
his skin off his face.
634
00:45:44.828 --> 00:45:46.204 line:5%
- I mean, it was like,
635
00:45:46.246 --> 00:45:50.709 line:5%
how could somebody be so cruel
and inhumane?
636
00:45:50.750 --> 00:45:52.293
I was shell-shocked.
637
00:45:52.335 --> 00:45:54.254
It was a good thing
there was an ocean
638
00:45:54.295 --> 00:45:55.880
between us and Holland,
639
00:45:55.922 --> 00:45:58.717
because I would have come
after him.
640
00:45:58.758 --> 00:46:01.469
He shows absolutely
no remorse.
641
00:46:01.511 --> 00:46:05.056
He shows
such a lack of concern.
642
00:46:06.516 --> 00:46:11.021
At this point, we're seeing
how dark of a young man
643
00:46:11.062 --> 00:46:13.523
Joran van der Sloot
was becoming.
644
00:46:16.526 --> 00:46:19.320
And in my mind, case closed.
645
00:46:19.362 --> 00:46:21.948
That was that.
We got the information.
646
00:46:21.990 --> 00:46:23.700
The authorities
looked into it.
647
00:46:26.411 --> 00:46:28.538
Joran van der Sloot
was questioned
648
00:46:28.580 --> 00:46:31.082
by Aruban and Dutch police
on Friday.
649
00:46:31.124 --> 00:46:33.626
It happened less than a week
after a Dutch TV program aired
650
00:46:33.668 --> 00:46:35.837
a hidden-camera interview
with van der Sloot,
651
00:46:35.879 --> 00:46:39.257
saying he was with the missing
Alabama teen when she died.
652
00:46:39.299 --> 00:46:41.551
During his questioning,
van der Sloot insisted
653
00:46:41.593 --> 00:46:43.678
he was under the influence
of marijuana
654
00:46:43.720 --> 00:46:45.096
during the interview
655
00:46:45.138 --> 00:46:48.350
and denied any role
in Holloway's disappearance.
656
00:47:05.325 --> 00:47:07.744
Even if a person
confesses to a crime,
657
00:47:07.786 --> 00:47:11.623 line:5%
you need extra evidence
in order to charge.
658
00:47:19.714 --> 00:47:23.259
He was very cocky
during the interrogations.
659
00:47:27.597 --> 00:47:30.684
But I do think that he knew
660
00:47:30.725 --> 00:47:34.104
that they wouldn't be able
to frame anything on him.
661
00:47:41.152 --> 00:47:44.406
Why?
Because somebody helped him...
662
00:47:44.447 --> 00:47:47.200
somebody very close to him...
663
00:47:47.242 --> 00:47:50.286
very, very close to him.
664
00:47:50.328 --> 00:47:54.165
Nobody else would take
that risk.
665
00:47:59.212 --> 00:48:01.256
Tonight,
the incredible new twist
666
00:48:01.297 --> 00:48:03.633
in the Natalee Holloway
investigation.
667
00:48:03.675 --> 00:48:06.469 line:5%
Joran van der Sloot goes on
the record with a shocking talk
668
00:48:06.511 --> 00:48:08.847 line:5%
of what he says happened
to Natalee Holloway
669
00:48:08.888 --> 00:48:11.099 line:5%
the night she disappeared
from Aruba.
670
00:48:11.141 --> 00:48:15.937 line:5%
In 2008, I had a meeting with
Greta Van Susteren, my boss.
671
00:48:15.979 --> 00:48:20.483
And she said she had received
an email from Joran.
672
00:48:20.525 --> 00:48:24.404
And I was to fly to Thailand
673
00:48:24.446 --> 00:48:26.614
and meet with him.
674
00:48:26.656 --> 00:48:30.285
At this point,
his life was in turmoil.
675
00:48:30.326 --> 00:48:31.828
He was a gambling addict,
676
00:48:31.870 --> 00:48:34.039
and he was desperate
for money.
677
00:48:34.080 --> 00:48:38.209
He had a friend in Thailand,
and he ended up in Thailand.
678
00:48:39.711 --> 00:48:42.422
My assignment
was to track him down
679
00:48:42.464 --> 00:48:45.133
and secure an interview.
680
00:48:45.175 --> 00:48:46.801
But the conditions of that were
681
00:48:46.843 --> 00:48:50.638
we were going
to pay him $25,000
682
00:48:50.680 --> 00:48:54.142
to tell us what happened
to Natalee Holloway.
683
00:48:54.184 --> 00:48:58.980
I knew he wanted the money,
but here was the problem.
684
00:48:59.022 --> 00:49:02.567
Going to Thailand
and giving somebody $25,000
685
00:49:02.609 --> 00:49:04.944
is incredibly problematic.
686
00:49:04.986 --> 00:49:08.490
There's a rule that you can
only legally take $5,000
687
00:49:08.531 --> 00:49:10.658
with you into the country.
688
00:49:10.700 --> 00:49:12.494
The rest of the money
had to come in
689
00:49:12.535 --> 00:49:14.371
in $5,000 wire transfers.
690
00:49:14.412 --> 00:49:16.748
There's a time difference,
691
00:49:16.790 --> 00:49:20.418
and we can only do $5,000
in a 24-hour time period.
692
00:49:21.711 --> 00:49:24.881
He was desperate,
and he wanted that money,
693
00:49:24.923 --> 00:49:27.926
and he was growing
increasingly impatient.
694
00:49:27.967 --> 00:49:31.763
So, in that time period,
I had to entertain him.
695
00:49:33.264 --> 00:49:36.768
Being with Joran van der Sloot,
he's incredibly charming.
696
00:49:36.810 --> 00:49:38.520
I had to constantly
remind myself
697
00:49:38.561 --> 00:49:39.854
why I was there and who he was.
698
00:49:39.896 --> 00:49:43.733
He was cordial.
He was funny.
699
00:49:43.775 --> 00:49:47.153
But I realized how incredibly
dangerous of a situation
700
00:49:47.195 --> 00:49:48.655
I was in.
701
00:49:48.697 --> 00:49:50.907
He could have snapped on me.
702
00:49:50.949 --> 00:49:53.743
I saw that in the hotel room.
He was incredibly agitated.
703
00:49:53.785 --> 00:49:56.079
At one point, he asked me
to go get the money
704
00:49:56.121 --> 00:49:57.372
out of my own personal account
705
00:49:57.414 --> 00:49:59.457
because he couldn't wait
any longer.
706
00:50:00.875 --> 00:50:05.171
So Greta arrives,
and we had no time to waste.
707
00:50:05.213 --> 00:50:08.091
He's agitated and wants
to get this interview over
708
00:50:08.133 --> 00:50:10.427
because he knows the faster
the interview is over,
709
00:50:10.468 --> 00:50:12.095 line:5%
the faster he's going
to get the payment.
710
00:50:12.137 --> 00:50:15.682 line:5%
You met a guy in February
of three years ago
711
00:50:15.724 --> 00:50:17.225 line:5%
who said he was interested
in something.
712
00:50:17.267 --> 00:50:18.727 line:5%
What was he interested in?
713
00:50:18.768 --> 00:50:21.896 line:5%
As the story unfolds,
he tells a tale...
714
00:50:21.938 --> 00:50:25.692 line:5%
He was interested in me
bringing him a blonde girl.
715
00:50:25.734 --> 00:50:29.571
He had been in contact with
a guy from Venezuela,
716
00:50:29.612 --> 00:50:31.156
met him at a casino,
717
00:50:31.197 --> 00:50:34.034
and the guy said that,
you know, he would pay money
718
00:50:34.075 --> 00:50:38.621
for American girls,
particularly blonde girls.
719
00:50:38.663 --> 00:50:42.834 line:5%
And then he said to meet him
at the beach by the Marriott
720
00:50:42.876 --> 00:50:45.879 line:5%
if I ever got a girl and that
he would give me $10,000.
721
00:50:48.214 --> 00:50:51.885
The day I met Natalee,
I remembered what he said.
722
00:50:51.926 --> 00:50:55.889
In the moment,
as the story is unfolding,
723
00:50:55.930 --> 00:50:58.224
it's feasible.
724
00:51:00.810 --> 00:51:03.104
We all know human trafficking
is a huge problem.
725
00:51:03.146 --> 00:51:05.440
So I'm putting the pieces
together in my head
726
00:51:05.482 --> 00:51:08.068
that this is a possibility.
727
00:51:08.109 --> 00:51:12.947
But what happens next
astounded all of us.
728
00:51:14.699 --> 00:51:17.369
After the interview, we're
on our way to the airport,
729
00:51:17.410 --> 00:51:20.789
and Greta receives a text
730
00:51:20.830 --> 00:51:23.625
that says, "Everything
I told you was a lie.
731
00:51:23.667 --> 00:51:26.127
I just did it for the money."
732
00:51:26.169 --> 00:51:28.546
Greta looks at me and says,
"What do you think?"
733
00:51:28.588 --> 00:51:30.507
And I said, "I think
he's telling the truth here
734
00:51:30.548 --> 00:51:32.092
for the first time."
735
00:51:32.133 --> 00:51:36.221 line:5%
We still do not know which
version, if any, is the truth.
736
00:51:36.262 --> 00:51:38.056 line:5%
- We made the decision
737
00:51:38.098 --> 00:51:40.517 line:5%
to air the Joran van der Sloot
interview,
738
00:51:40.558 --> 00:51:43.395 line:5%
disclosing that we had paid him
the money.
739
00:51:43.436 --> 00:51:45.814 line:5%
And I think in our minds,
740
00:51:45.855 --> 00:51:48.024 line:5%
that was our way
of getting back at him
741
00:51:48.066 --> 00:51:51.152 line:5%
and showing the world
how dark he had become
742
00:51:51.194 --> 00:51:54.197 line:5%
and how he now had perfected
743
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:57.534 line:5%
using the disappearance
of Natalee Holloway
744
00:51:57.575 --> 00:51:59.536
to make himself money
to finance
745
00:51:59.577 --> 00:52:01.496
his desperate
gambling addiction.
746
00:52:08.712 --> 00:52:11.506
A potentially key witness
in the disappearance
747
00:52:11.548 --> 00:52:15.010
of American teen
Natalee Holloway has died.
748
00:52:15.051 --> 00:52:17.971
Paul van der Sloot
collapsed playing tennis.
749
00:52:18.013 --> 00:52:20.223
Joran gets a phone call
from his mother,
750
00:52:20.265 --> 00:52:23.018
alerting him that his father
had a heart attack
751
00:52:23.059 --> 00:52:24.644
and he died.
752
00:52:24.686 --> 00:52:26.354
There was a lot of speculation
753
00:52:26.396 --> 00:52:28.690 line:5%
the intense pressure
and scrutiny
754
00:52:28.732 --> 00:52:31.192 line:5%
under which his son had put him
755
00:52:31.234 --> 00:52:35.447
is what really led to him
having this heart attack.
756
00:52:37.115 --> 00:52:40.243
Joran literally throws
himself on the casket
757
00:52:40.285 --> 00:52:42.328
and says, this is all my fault.
758
00:52:42.370 --> 00:52:44.039
I did this to you.
759
00:52:44.080 --> 00:52:45.874
Makes a big scene.
760
00:52:45.915 --> 00:52:49.085
Whether it was an act
or whether it was sincere,
761
00:52:49.127 --> 00:52:51.338
only Joran can
answer that question,
762
00:52:51.379 --> 00:52:54.382
but he was visibly...
763
00:52:54.424 --> 00:52:57.052
broken by the death
of his father.
764
00:52:57.093 --> 00:52:59.346 line:5%
I don't know if a person
like Joran van der Sloot
765
00:52:59.387 --> 00:53:01.139 line:5%
has any kind of remorse.
766
00:53:01.181 --> 00:53:04.392
But what we do know
was that his dad
767
00:53:04.434 --> 00:53:07.187
was his rock for a long time,
768
00:53:07.228 --> 00:53:10.065
to the point
that lots of people believe
769
00:53:10.106 --> 00:53:11.900
that his dad helped him
770
00:53:11.941 --> 00:53:15.779
cover up the body
of a young woman
771
00:53:15.820 --> 00:53:18.948
so that it was
never seen again.
772
00:53:20.492 --> 00:53:24.788
Whether his father helped
him out that night or not,
773
00:53:24.829 --> 00:53:27.540
he had to have known
that his father
774
00:53:27.582 --> 00:53:30.251
was always going
to support him.
775
00:53:30.293 --> 00:53:33.380
And then that one person
776
00:53:33.421 --> 00:53:35.924
was suddenly gone.
777
00:53:35.965 --> 00:53:38.093
So he comes back to Aruba,
778
00:53:38.134 --> 00:53:40.929
and he moves back in
with his mother.
779
00:53:40.970 --> 00:53:45.225
And it's my belief
that losing his father
780
00:53:45.266 --> 00:53:48.520
really marked
another turning point
781
00:53:48.561 --> 00:53:50.480
for Joran.
782
00:53:50.522 --> 00:53:52.732
If you don't think that this
story could get any darker,
783
00:53:52.774 --> 00:53:54.442
stand by, because it does.
784
00:53:54.484 --> 00:53:56.695
When he flies back to Aruba,
785
00:53:56.736 --> 00:54:00.615
you would expect someone to be
mourning the loss of a parent,
786
00:54:00.657 --> 00:54:02.617
assisting his mom.
787
00:54:02.659 --> 00:54:04.786
Instead,
Joran van der Sloot is doing
788
00:54:04.828 --> 00:54:07.789
the most horrific,
heinous thing
789
00:54:07.831 --> 00:54:10.250
that you
could possibly imagine.
790
00:54:10.291 --> 00:54:13.628
He allegedly contacted
Natalee's mother in Alabama
791
00:54:13.670 --> 00:54:15.964
and offered to tell her
what happened to her daughter,
792
00:54:16.006 --> 00:54:18.258
including where her remains are,
793
00:54:18.299 --> 00:54:21.094
in exchange for a quarter
of a million dollars.
794
00:54:23.179 --> 00:54:24.806
He contacted me.
795
00:54:24.848 --> 00:54:27.142 line:5%
Hi, John, this is Joran.
796
00:54:27.183 --> 00:54:28.768 line:5%
Quickly got to the point
797
00:54:28.810 --> 00:54:32.147
about, you know, he wants
to clear his soul,
798
00:54:32.188 --> 00:54:33.606
clear his conscience
799
00:54:33.648 --> 00:54:36.151
and really tell
what happened to Natalee
800
00:54:36.192 --> 00:54:38.945
and stop the Holloway grief
and things like that.
801
00:54:38.987 --> 00:54:43.158
But in exchange,
he would like $250,000.
802
00:54:47.078 --> 00:54:49.873
The lack of emotions
that he has
803
00:54:49.914 --> 00:54:52.208 line:5%
when he is reaching out
804
00:54:52.250 --> 00:54:55.795 line:5%
to Beth Holloway
to get money from her,
805
00:54:55.837 --> 00:55:00.050
knowing that this woman
lost her child...
806
00:55:00.091 --> 00:55:01.217
he doesn't care.
807
00:55:01.259 --> 00:55:05.263
There's no registration
of empathy.
808
00:55:05.305 --> 00:55:08.266
And that's characteristic
psychopath right there.
809
00:55:10.018 --> 00:55:13.772
So I said,
let me talk to Beth.
810
00:55:13.813 --> 00:55:15.857
I said,
I've got an idea, Beth.
811
00:55:17.609 --> 00:55:19.778
I think I can do something.
812
00:55:19.819 --> 00:55:22.989
If he takes money,
that's extortion.
813
00:55:23.031 --> 00:55:25.367
If we can set it up
where a wire's part of it,
814
00:55:25.408 --> 00:55:26.826
that's wire fraud.
815
00:55:26.868 --> 00:55:29.079
We could, you know, get him
on both those counts,
816
00:55:29.120 --> 00:55:32.624
U.S. charges, and, you know,
lock this guy up.
817
00:55:32.665 --> 00:55:35.377
I called the FBI right away.
I said, let's do this.
818
00:55:35.418 --> 00:55:36.795
Can we do this?
819
00:55:39.297 --> 00:55:41.800
Joran was like,
let's meet in Aruba.
820
00:55:41.841 --> 00:55:44.302
You can bring
the first $25,000 with you,
821
00:55:44.344 --> 00:55:46.554
and I'll give you
all the information.
822
00:55:46.596 --> 00:55:48.431
Went down there, met with him.
823
00:55:48.473 --> 00:55:50.392
You could tell
all he wanted to do
824
00:55:50.433 --> 00:55:51.643
was get right to the point.
825
00:55:51.685 --> 00:55:53.353
Like, did you bring the money?
826
00:55:53.395 --> 00:55:54.979
I said, yes, I did, Joran.
827
00:55:55.021 --> 00:55:58.692
I could only bring $10,000
in cash, so we're going to--
828
00:55:58.733 --> 00:56:00.902
I'm going to give you $10,000
829
00:56:00.944 --> 00:56:04.406
and have $15,000 wired by Beth.
830
00:56:04.447 --> 00:56:07.117
We got the car
the FBI had provided me.
831
00:56:07.158 --> 00:56:09.536
It was all rigged up
with video cameras
832
00:56:09.577 --> 00:56:11.830
and audio cameras.
833
00:56:11.871 --> 00:56:16.001
He pointed to one house,
said, this is the house.
834
00:56:16.042 --> 00:56:18.169
That's where you're saying
Natalee's remains are?
835
00:56:18.211 --> 00:56:19.254
He said yes.
836
00:56:19.295 --> 00:56:21.214
Definitely.
837
00:56:21.256 --> 00:56:23.925
My father
brought me here one day
838
00:56:23.967 --> 00:56:27.804
and showed me this location.
839
00:56:27.846 --> 00:56:29.806
He told me
that he had gone home
840
00:56:29.848 --> 00:56:32.100
and told his father
what happened,
841
00:56:32.142 --> 00:56:35.353
and he had driven back
with his father
842
00:56:35.395 --> 00:56:40.025
and pointed out
where Natalee was.
843
00:56:40.066 --> 00:56:43.528
Paulus had told Joran
to wait in the car,
844
00:56:43.570 --> 00:56:47.949
and Joran understood
that his dad had gone down,
845
00:56:47.991 --> 00:56:50.326
pulled Natalee further
into the brush,
846
00:56:50.368 --> 00:56:54.789
and covered her with a couple
pieces of large cardboard
847
00:56:54.831 --> 00:56:56.458
and left her there.
848
00:56:56.499 --> 00:56:59.252
And then he said, I don't know
if my dad came back
849
00:56:59.294 --> 00:57:02.005
the next night
or two nights later,
850
00:57:02.047 --> 00:57:05.008
got her body,
and disposed of it then.
851
00:57:07.218 --> 00:57:10.305
I thought it was all bullshit
right from the start,
852
00:57:10.347 --> 00:57:12.140
'cause his dad was dead.
853
00:57:12.182 --> 00:57:15.560
Joran loves giving information
that can't be verified,
854
00:57:15.602 --> 00:57:19.105
you know, so this was just
one more, you know, spoke
855
00:57:19.147 --> 00:57:22.609
in the wheel of lies of his.
856
00:57:22.650 --> 00:57:25.653
The FBI had told me
they knew it was a hoax
857
00:57:25.695 --> 00:57:27.697
because they had
satellite photos
858
00:57:27.739 --> 00:57:29.991
of the area
where the house was,
859
00:57:30.033 --> 00:57:32.660
showing that it was
still undeveloped land
860
00:57:32.702 --> 00:57:35.080
at that point in 2005.
861
00:57:37.457 --> 00:57:39.793
That was that, and...
862
00:57:39.834 --> 00:57:42.087
I went back to the hotel.
863
00:57:42.128 --> 00:57:46.216
FBI guys were all ecstatic,
and they said, great job.
864
00:57:46.257 --> 00:57:51.096
We've got it all on videotape.
We've got it all on audiotape.
865
00:57:51.137 --> 00:57:52.639
And...
866
00:57:52.681 --> 00:57:54.432
nothing happened.
867
00:57:54.474 --> 00:57:56.768
I don't know
why they didn't pick him up.
868
00:57:58.520 --> 00:58:00.855
It was like, guys, you got
the whole thing videotaped
869
00:58:00.897 --> 00:58:02.982
and audiotaped--
what are you doing?
870
00:58:03.024 --> 00:58:06.986
And I start getting emails
from Joran.
871
00:58:07.028 --> 00:58:09.072
You seem like a really
nice man, Mr. Kelly,
872
00:58:09.114 --> 00:58:11.032
but I'm sorry
I did this to you.
873
00:58:11.074 --> 00:58:13.827
I lied about the whole thing.
874
00:58:13.868 --> 00:58:16.663
You know, thank
you for the money.
875
00:58:16.705 --> 00:58:20.125
It's all about money.
876
00:58:20.166 --> 00:58:23.670
Now he is spending all
of his time at the casino.
877
00:58:23.712 --> 00:58:26.131
You know, he's really heavily
into gambling.
878
00:58:26.172 --> 00:58:28.717
His mood is very dark.
879
00:58:28.758 --> 00:58:30.427
Anita is very concerned,
880
00:58:30.468 --> 00:58:32.137
and she's convinced
881
00:58:32.178 --> 00:58:34.556
that it is because
he's just lost his father,
882
00:58:34.597 --> 00:58:36.182
perhaps there's some guilt.
883
00:58:36.224 --> 00:58:38.143
And she convinces him
884
00:58:38.184 --> 00:58:39.894 line:5%
that he really needs help,
885
00:58:39.936 --> 00:58:42.147 line:5%
more than she can provide
for him.
886
00:58:42.188 --> 00:58:45.942
And somehow she gets him
to agree
887
00:58:45.984 --> 00:58:48.862
to sign himself in
to a facility
888
00:58:48.903 --> 00:58:50.280
back in the Netherlands,
889
00:58:50.321 --> 00:58:53.324
where he's going
to get some help.
890
00:58:53.366 --> 00:58:56.286
Anita was completely convinced
her son was going.
891
00:58:56.327 --> 00:58:58.663
He was packed.
His bags were ready.
892
00:58:58.705 --> 00:59:02.083
And when she came
to his room...
893
00:59:02.125 --> 00:59:05.128
she found an empty bedroom...
894
00:59:05.170 --> 00:59:07.297
and his luggage was gone.
895
00:59:09.257 --> 00:59:12.385
But there was a note that
Joran left for his mother,
896
00:59:12.427 --> 00:59:15.013
explaining that he
had gone to Peru
897
00:59:15.055 --> 00:59:17.098
and that he was going
to be participating
898
00:59:17.140 --> 00:59:19.017
in a poker tournament there.
899
00:59:19.059 --> 00:59:20.602
So, essentially,
900
00:59:20.643 --> 00:59:23.480
the money that Joran
has extorted from Beth Holloway
901
00:59:23.521 --> 00:59:26.274
ends up funding
Stephany Flores's murder.
902
01:00:35.176 --> 01:00:38.596
To batter somebody
that brutally,
903
01:00:38.638 --> 01:00:42.767 line:5%
you very likely would be
in a state of true rage,
904
01:00:42.809 --> 01:00:47.647
or you would be somebody
who had a sadistic streak...
905
01:00:47.689 --> 01:00:50.442
where you found it fun
to cause people
906
01:00:50.483 --> 01:00:53.194
enormous amounts
of suffering or pain.
907
01:01:06.833 --> 01:01:09.502
The police go through
the surveillance tapes.
908
01:01:09.544 --> 01:01:13.006
What happens is,
Stephany pulls up in her car.
909
01:01:13.048 --> 01:01:15.175 line:5%
She's parked at such an angle,
910
01:01:15.216 --> 01:01:17.135 line:5%
you know, right by
the front door of the hotel.
911
01:01:17.177 --> 01:01:19.304
It's not a space
you would park in
912
01:01:19.346 --> 01:01:21.639
if you were going to stay
for a while.
913
01:01:21.681 --> 01:01:25.352
She walks in,
she looks kind of angry.
914
01:01:25.393 --> 01:01:26.644
This was not a happy visit.
915
01:01:26.686 --> 01:01:28.646
This was not a tryst
in a hotel room.
916
01:01:28.688 --> 01:01:32.484
It looked like they were going
there to pick up something.
917
01:01:32.525 --> 01:01:34.986
The next thing you see is
Joran pop out of the room
918
01:01:35.028 --> 01:01:36.488
some time later.
919
01:01:36.529 --> 01:01:38.656
He goes
to a local coffee shop.
920
01:01:38.698 --> 01:01:41.993
He picks up two cups of coffee
like he's bringing some coffee
921
01:01:42.035 --> 01:01:44.704
back to the room for his date.
922
01:01:44.746 --> 01:01:46.706
He's aware
of the cameras, too.
923
01:01:46.748 --> 01:01:50.043
You know, he looks
straight up at it.
924
01:01:50.085 --> 01:01:51.670
He was trying to establish
an alibi--
925
01:01:51.711 --> 01:01:53.797
you know, why would I bring
two cups of coffee
926
01:01:53.838 --> 01:01:55.590
if she was dead?
927
01:01:55.632 --> 01:01:59.719
And he goes back in the room,
thinks about what to do
928
01:01:59.761 --> 01:02:04.140
and, ultimately, just packs up
his stuff, gets in her car,
929
01:02:04.182 --> 01:02:07.227
and just disappears.
930
01:02:07.268 --> 01:02:10.313
And he drives
not far from the hotel,
931
01:02:10.355 --> 01:02:12.273
and he abandons the car.
932
01:02:14.818 --> 01:02:16.695
And it was a high crime area.
933
01:02:16.736 --> 01:02:18.738
He dropped the car off
in a place
934
01:02:18.780 --> 01:02:20.949
that would maybe throw
the police off the scent.
935
01:02:20.990 --> 01:02:24.202
And that bought him some time.
936
01:02:24.244 --> 01:02:26.913 line:5%
There's no panic.
There's no fear.
937
01:02:26.955 --> 01:02:31.084 line:5%
There's premeditation.
There's methodical planning.
938
01:02:31.126 --> 01:02:34.963
He was very calm, cool,
collected,
939
01:02:35.005 --> 01:02:37.924
made a plan.
940
01:02:37.966 --> 01:02:41.553
That takes a lot
of meticulousness,
941
01:02:41.594 --> 01:02:44.681
and you only get that
with experience.
942
01:03:38.234 --> 01:03:43.073
He's such an easy liar,
and he seems to lie for fun.
943
01:03:43.114 --> 01:03:45.408
And after years,
944
01:03:45.450 --> 01:03:47.285
it became like a game to him.
945
01:03:47.327 --> 01:03:49.996 line:5%
He really seemed to...
946
01:03:50.038 --> 01:03:54.042 line:5%
get off on having everybody
hang on his every word
947
01:03:54.084 --> 01:03:57.003 line:5%
and then be disappointed when
they find out it's just a lie.
948
01:03:57.045 --> 01:04:00.131
There's a thrill to the lie,
949
01:04:00.173 --> 01:04:02.550
and there's a thrill in knowing
950
01:04:02.592 --> 01:04:04.636
that you can make anyone
believe anything is true.
951
01:04:04.678 --> 01:04:07.305
This is entertainment for him.
952
01:04:07.347 --> 01:04:09.307
The victims
are inconsequential.
953
01:04:09.349 --> 01:04:11.601
The larger impacts
to their family,
954
01:04:11.643 --> 01:04:14.270
society, it doesn't matter.
955
01:04:23.071 --> 01:04:24.739
Well, it's a name we'd hoped
956
01:04:24.781 --> 01:04:27.951
we'd never have to hear again--
Joran van der Sloot.
957
01:04:27.992 --> 01:04:30.120
Right now police think
Joran van der Sloot
958
01:04:30.161 --> 01:04:31.913
may be in Chile, where
they're looking for him
959
01:04:31.955 --> 01:04:35.166
as their chief suspect
in the murder of a young woman,
960
01:04:35.208 --> 01:04:38.920
a murder they think happened
five years to the day
961
01:04:38.962 --> 01:04:41.172
after Joran van der Sloot
was the last person
962
01:04:41.214 --> 01:04:43.133
to be seen
with Natalee Holloway.
963
01:04:45.552 --> 01:04:48.054
He's in another cab...
964
01:04:48.096 --> 01:04:50.682
passing through a toll booth.
965
01:04:50.724 --> 01:04:52.851
You know, curled up
on the floor of the back seat.
966
01:04:52.892 --> 01:04:56.187
The sharp-eyed person
at a toll booth looks down--
967
01:04:56.229 --> 01:04:59.107 line:5%
this is suspicious--
and calls it in.
968
01:04:59.149 --> 01:05:00.525 line:5%
And right there, it's over.
969
01:05:25.216 --> 01:05:28.219
We knew this case
was the Twilight Zone
970
01:05:28.261 --> 01:05:30.430
for so many reasons.
971
01:05:30.472 --> 01:05:32.599
It's staggering.
972
01:05:32.640 --> 01:05:35.560
Like, another girl
on the anniversary?
973
01:05:35.602 --> 01:05:38.396
Like, on the exact same day?
974
01:05:40.065 --> 01:05:42.650
At Stephany's funeral
and burial Thursday,
975
01:05:42.692 --> 01:05:45.236
her father got down on
one knee for a farewell kiss
976
01:05:45.278 --> 01:05:47.322
to his beloved daughter.
977
01:05:51.493 --> 01:05:55.455
I sort of felt
like I had blood on my hands.
978
01:05:55.497 --> 01:05:57.415 line:5%
I started the wheels
in motion,
979
01:05:57.457 --> 01:05:59.000 line:5%
where he took the 25 grand,
980
01:05:59.042 --> 01:06:01.711 line:5%
wanted to play
in a poker tournament
981
01:06:01.753 --> 01:06:03.296
over in South America,
982
01:06:03.338 --> 01:06:05.840
and that's where he met
Stephany Flores.
983
01:06:08.593 --> 01:06:11.304
You know, I connected
a lot of dots,
984
01:06:11.346 --> 01:06:13.682
but, it was a heavy burden.
985
01:06:13.723 --> 01:06:17.227
- Joran! Joran! Joran!
- Joran!
986
01:06:17.268 --> 01:06:21.523
And it ended horribly wrong,
you know, on all fronts.
987
01:06:23.733 --> 01:06:25.694
His first statement
to the Chilean police is,
988
01:06:25.735 --> 01:06:28.988
he's been set up by corrupt
Peruvian police officers.
989
01:06:29.030 --> 01:06:30.782
There were just a couple
of rogue cops
990
01:06:30.824 --> 01:06:32.742 line:5%
that were harassing him,
following him,
991
01:06:32.784 --> 01:06:34.160 line:5%
shaking him down for money.
992
01:06:34.202 --> 01:06:36.454 line:5%
You know, these are the guys
you should be looking at.
993
01:06:36.496 --> 01:06:38.081
It's always somebody else.
994
01:06:38.123 --> 01:06:40.500
It's one of his friends.
It's his father.
995
01:06:40.542 --> 01:06:43.128
It's the cops.
996
01:06:43.169 --> 01:06:45.588
It's Joran playing the victim.
997
01:06:45.630 --> 01:06:47.924
He just seemed to have,
like, two middle fingers
998
01:06:47.966 --> 01:06:49.676
up to the world.
999
01:06:49.718 --> 01:06:52.095
Maybe once you reach
that point
1000
01:06:52.137 --> 01:06:55.306
and you know that you did
something so horrible
1001
01:06:55.348 --> 01:06:58.643
and it finally caught up
with you...
1002
01:06:58.685 --> 01:07:01.146
maybe you just
don't care anymore.
1003
01:07:03.106 --> 01:07:05.817
He wasn't talking his way
out of this case.
1004
01:07:05.859 --> 01:07:09.612 line:5%
It was clear as day that he
had murdered Stephany Flores.
1005
01:07:09.654 --> 01:07:12.198
He was out in the open now.
1006
01:07:12.240 --> 01:07:15.452
We saw his true colors.
We saw who he was.
1007
01:07:32.052 --> 01:07:34.679
He was probably adrift
1008
01:07:34.721 --> 01:07:36.765
and wanted to tell the world,
1009
01:07:36.806 --> 01:07:40.018
you think that I'm
this terrible murderer?
1010
01:07:40.060 --> 01:07:43.897
OK, that's what I will be.
I will do this again.
1011
01:09:45.101 --> 01:09:48.313
She had caught wind
of who he was,
1012
01:09:48.355 --> 01:09:50.648
and things escalated.
1013
01:09:50.690 --> 01:09:52.567
I'm imagining she probably
just wanted to get
1014
01:09:52.609 --> 01:09:55.028
out of the room at that point.
1015
01:09:55.070 --> 01:09:58.948
And, you know, the rest is,
you know, just kind of a blur.
1016
01:09:58.990 --> 01:10:01.076
And he just went savage
on her.
1017
01:11:26.202 --> 01:11:30.665 line:5%
- He's convicted and sentenced
to 28 years in prison.
1018
01:11:30.707 --> 01:11:32.792 line:5%
They don't convict people
to life sentences
1019
01:11:32.834 --> 01:11:34.377 line:5%
like we would here.
1020
01:11:34.419 --> 01:11:38.465 line:5%
There's always room
for rehabilitation, release,
1021
01:11:38.506 --> 01:11:40.884
even for a murderer like this.
1022
01:12:07.327 --> 01:12:09.996
His new address--
a maximum-security prison,
1023
01:12:10.038 --> 01:12:12.457
home to Peru's
most notorious killers,
1024
01:12:12.499 --> 01:12:15.126
rapists, and terrorists.
1025
01:12:37.357 --> 01:12:40.652
Initially,
we thought Peruvian prison
1026
01:12:40.694 --> 01:12:42.028
has to be horrifying.
1027
01:12:42.070 --> 01:12:44.030
I mean, that was
what we told ourselves--
1028
01:12:44.072 --> 01:12:46.241
like, there's no way
he'll survive.
1029
01:12:47.992 --> 01:12:50.078
Look, he's like a chameleon.
1030
01:12:50.120 --> 01:12:52.247
You know, he's able to adjust.
1031
01:12:52.288 --> 01:12:55.000
It's a lot different than
the American prison system.
1032
01:12:55.041 --> 01:12:57.002
It's a little more porous.
1033
01:12:57.043 --> 01:12:58.795
People can come in
during the day--
1034
01:12:58.837 --> 01:13:00.672
wives, girlfriends, vendors.
1035
01:13:00.714 --> 01:13:05.260
And so that allows him access
to the outside world.
1036
01:13:05.301 --> 01:13:08.304
It's not like he looks
like he's flourishing in Peru,
1037
01:13:08.346 --> 01:13:10.348
by any means.
1038
01:13:10.390 --> 01:13:13.643 line:5%
But learning that he has had
the opportunity
1039
01:13:13.685 --> 01:13:15.854 line:5%
to be married
1040
01:13:15.895 --> 01:13:20.358
is mind-blowing to me.
1041
01:13:20.400 --> 01:13:23.903
Somehow he's been allowed to
bring a child into this world.
1042
01:14:03.234 --> 01:14:05.153
That always happens,
doesn't it?
1043
01:14:05.195 --> 01:14:08.156 line:5%
They see
this attractive guy on TV,
1044
01:14:08.198 --> 01:14:11.117 line:5%
and they get wrapped up
in the danger
1045
01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:13.661
or the, like, romance of,
1046
01:14:13.703 --> 01:14:16.664
is he an innocent victim,
or who is he really?
1047
01:14:16.706 --> 01:14:19.334
Or maybe it's, I can fix him.
1048
01:14:32.305 --> 01:14:36.685
It is disgusting that he's
been able to have a wife.
1049
01:14:36.726 --> 01:14:41.106
He can have pen pals.
He can father a child.
1050
01:14:46.277 --> 01:14:48.822
Those were all things
that Natalee Holloway
1051
01:14:48.863 --> 01:14:50.824
was never able to do.
1052
01:14:50.865 --> 01:14:52.409
It's a shame.
1053
01:15:58.975 --> 01:16:00.602
People who are psychopathic
1054
01:16:00.643 --> 01:16:04.105 line:5%
will often have multiple
romantic partners at once.
1055
01:16:04.147 --> 01:16:06.274
You do often see
what's called
1056
01:16:06.316 --> 01:16:08.443
sort of impersonal
sexual behavior.
1057
01:16:08.485 --> 01:16:10.195
So, engaging
in sexual relations
1058
01:16:10.236 --> 01:16:11.780
that don't seem
to be associated
1059
01:16:11.821 --> 01:16:13.907
with any kind
of a deep attachment.
1060
01:16:13.948 --> 01:16:15.742
You see conning
and manipulation,
1061
01:16:15.784 --> 01:16:18.244
because, again, you see
other people as instruments
1062
01:16:18.286 --> 01:16:20.038
to get what you want.
1063
01:18:01.681 --> 01:18:05.060 line:5%
He knows what his targets
want to hear,
1064
01:18:05.101 --> 01:18:07.562 line:5%
and that's all they are--
they're targets.
1065
01:18:07.604 --> 01:18:10.648
And, ultimately,
they're transactions.
1066
01:18:12.609 --> 01:18:14.903
He's getting
something out of them.
1067
01:20:31.664 --> 01:20:34.250
Even when he's in prison,
1068
01:20:34.292 --> 01:20:36.503
he's not turning
his life around
1069
01:20:36.544 --> 01:20:37.879
and telling the truth
1070
01:20:37.921 --> 01:20:40.006
and wanting to be
a good new person.
1071
01:20:40.048 --> 01:20:43.510
No, he's starting
a cocaine-trafficking ring
1072
01:20:43.551 --> 01:20:45.387
inside of the prison.
1073
01:20:45.428 --> 01:20:48.181
Why does he want to be
so dark?
1074
01:20:48.223 --> 01:20:51.559
I just don't understand why...
1075
01:20:51.601 --> 01:20:53.561
for this human being
1076
01:20:53.603 --> 01:20:56.356
with so much promise
and intelligence
1077
01:20:56.398 --> 01:20:58.233
and, like, a future
1078
01:20:58.274 --> 01:21:00.402
and a path and a good family--
1079
01:21:00.443 --> 01:21:03.071
why does he always choose
the dark side?
1080
01:21:12.205 --> 01:21:13.581
A- Nada.
1081
01:21:28.304 --> 01:21:29.639
Almost two decades
1082
01:21:29.681 --> 01:21:32.225
after Natalee Holloway's
haunting disappearance,
1083
01:21:32.267 --> 01:21:34.811
the prime suspect in the case,
Joran van der Sloot,
1084
01:21:34.853 --> 01:21:38.857
touching down tonight
in Birmingham, Alabama.
1085
01:21:38.898 --> 01:21:41.443
Joran van der Sloot
always wanted to come
1086
01:21:41.484 --> 01:21:43.278
to the United States.
1087
01:21:43.319 --> 01:21:45.989
Well, here he is.
1088
01:21:46.031 --> 01:21:48.116
Van der Sloot
was never charged
1089
01:21:48.158 --> 01:21:49.951
in Holloway's disappearance,
1090
01:21:49.993 --> 01:21:52.328
but he is accused of offering
to tell Natalee's family
1091
01:21:52.370 --> 01:21:54.831
how she died
and where she was buried
1092
01:21:54.873 --> 01:21:58.001
in exchange
for a quarter million dollars.
1093
01:21:58.043 --> 01:22:02.797
The only negotiating tool
that Joran van der Sloot has
1094
01:22:02.839 --> 01:22:06.092 line:5%
is the truth about what
happened to Natalee Holloway.
1095
01:22:06.134 --> 01:22:09.012
Once he gives that information
up, he's worthless.
1096
01:22:09.054 --> 01:22:10.889
He's meaningless.
1097
01:22:10.930 --> 01:22:13.558
He has nothing left.
1098
01:22:15.143 --> 01:22:17.479
Today Natalee's mother
issuing a statement,
1099
01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:20.815
saying she's hopeful that some
small semblance of justice
1100
01:22:20.857 --> 01:22:23.818
will finally be realized.
1101
01:22:23.860 --> 01:22:25.820
The extradition
of John van der Sloot
1102
01:22:25.862 --> 01:22:27.781
back to the United States
1103
01:22:27.822 --> 01:22:29.824
is something
that Beth's been working on
1104
01:22:29.866 --> 01:22:32.494
since Natalee disappeared.
1105
01:22:32.535 --> 01:22:34.662
It's her second-best shot.
1106
01:22:34.704 --> 01:22:36.664
Her first-best shot
would be the recovery
1107
01:22:36.706 --> 01:22:39.125
of her daughter's body.
1108
01:22:39.167 --> 01:22:43.338
Her next-best chance
are these extortion charges.
1109
01:22:43.380 --> 01:22:45.131
Long time coming.
1110
01:22:45.173 --> 01:22:50.178 line:5%
All this time,
every corner, twist, turn,
1111
01:22:50.220 --> 01:22:52.138 line:5%
it's like, here we are.
1112
01:22:52.180 --> 01:22:55.183
18 years later, my mom
is standing in the courthouse
1113
01:22:55.225 --> 01:22:59.938
within feet of the guy
that killed my sister.
1114
01:23:02.315 --> 01:23:05.443
We were all
on the edge of our seats.
1115
01:23:05.485 --> 01:23:08.488
I just wanted him to say
that, yes...
1116
01:23:08.530 --> 01:23:10.407
I killed Natalee.
1117
01:23:27.674 --> 01:23:29.634
- How does it feel?
- It feels good.
1118
01:23:29.676 --> 01:23:30.719
It's a nice day.
1119
01:23:30.760 --> 01:23:32.429
It's a good day for judgment.
1120
01:23:32.470 --> 01:23:35.181
Hoping to get answers today?
1121
01:23:35.223 --> 01:23:37.475 line:5%
Joran van der Sloot
has never been charged
1122
01:23:37.517 --> 01:23:39.310 line:5%
in the death
of Natalee Holloway.
1123
01:23:39.352 --> 01:23:41.479 line:5%
However, the Holloway family
attorney says
1124
01:23:41.521 --> 01:23:43.189 line:5%
that he is expected today,
Savannah,
1125
01:23:43.231 --> 01:23:46.067
to accept a plea deal related
to wire fraud
1126
01:23:46.109 --> 01:23:48.778
and extortion charges, assuming
he tells federal authorities
1127
01:23:48.820 --> 01:23:50.363
how Natalee Holloway died
1128
01:23:50.405 --> 01:23:53.116
and the manner in which
her body was disposed of.
1129
01:23:58.163 --> 01:24:02.334
I feel like the whole world
was in that courtroom with us.
1130
01:24:02.375 --> 01:24:04.711
I mean, I could just feel it.
1131
01:24:04.753 --> 01:24:06.504
It's like, here we are.
1132
01:24:06.546 --> 01:24:09.299
This is the big moment
1133
01:24:09.341 --> 01:24:11.843
where we're finally getting
1134
01:24:11.885 --> 01:24:16.097 line:5%
some semblance
of justice for Natalee.
1135
01:24:16.139 --> 01:24:19.392
I just wanted him to say that,
yes, I killed Natalee,
1136
01:24:19.434 --> 01:24:21.019
and that's what we got.
1137
01:24:24.356 --> 01:24:26.983
When Beth stood up
and read her statement
1138
01:24:27.025 --> 01:24:32.197 line:5%
and read parts
of what he had done...
1139
01:24:32.238 --> 01:24:36.117
it felt like the wind
had been knocked out of me.
1140
01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:37.786
It was intense,
1141
01:24:37.827 --> 01:24:41.206
and you could just, like, feel
that energy.
1142
01:24:41.247 --> 01:24:43.917
And I would say
the most difficult part
1143
01:24:43.958 --> 01:24:48.797
was how violent the description
of her death was.
1144
01:24:54.678 --> 01:24:57.597 line:5%
- Deepak drops me off
at a place
1145
01:24:57.639 --> 01:24:59.599 line:5%
known as the fishermen's huts.
1146
01:25:01.601 --> 01:25:06.356
I'm actually with Natalee
walking along the beach.
1147
01:25:06.398 --> 01:25:08.692
We lay down together
in the sand,
1148
01:25:08.733 --> 01:25:12.862
and we start
kissing each other.
1149
01:25:12.904 --> 01:25:15.573
And I start
feeling her up again,
1150
01:25:15.615 --> 01:25:18.827
and she tells me no.
1151
01:25:18.868 --> 01:25:23.164
I insist. I keep feeling
her up either way.
1152
01:25:23.206 --> 01:25:26.710
And she knees me
in the crotch.
1153
01:25:28.169 --> 01:25:31.673
And I kick her extremely hard
in the face.
1154
01:25:34.175 --> 01:25:37.012
She's laying down unconscious,
1155
01:25:37.053 --> 01:25:41.433
possibly even dead,
but definitely unconscious.
1156
01:25:43.893 --> 01:25:46.104
And right next to her,
1157
01:25:46.146 --> 01:25:49.441
there's a huge cinder block
1158
01:25:49.482 --> 01:25:51.860
laying on the beach.
1159
01:25:51.901 --> 01:25:54.154
I take this, and...
1160
01:25:54.195 --> 01:25:57.240
I smash her head in
with it completely.
1161
01:26:00.368 --> 01:26:04.330
Yeah, her face basically,
you know, collapses in.
1162
01:26:04.372 --> 01:26:07.917
I'm scared.
I don't know what to do.
1163
01:26:07.959 --> 01:26:10.086
So I grab her,
1164
01:26:10.128 --> 01:26:13.923
and I push her off...
1165
01:26:13.965 --> 01:26:15.717
into the sea.
1166
01:26:35.028 --> 01:26:38.615
Today I can tell you
with certainty
1167
01:26:38.656 --> 01:26:40.575
that after 18 years,
1168
01:26:40.617 --> 01:26:44.204
Natalee's case is solved.
1169
01:26:44.245 --> 01:26:47.499
As far as I'm concerned,
it's over.
1170
01:26:47.540 --> 01:26:49.167
It's over.
1171
01:26:49.209 --> 01:26:51.503
Joran van der Sloot
is no longer the suspect
1172
01:26:51.544 --> 01:26:52.921
in my daughter's murder.
1173
01:26:52.962 --> 01:26:55.048
He is the killer.
1174
01:26:55.090 --> 01:26:56.925
That was all verified
1175
01:26:56.966 --> 01:27:00.845
by a comprehensive
and conclusive polygraph test.
1176
01:27:00.887 --> 01:27:02.681
We finally--
1177
01:27:02.722 --> 01:27:06.226
today we got justice
for Natalee.
1178
01:27:06.267 --> 01:27:08.812
Thank you. Thank you.
- Thank you, everybody.
1179
01:27:12.399 --> 01:27:16.277
- Beth Holloway was satisfied.
- Mm-hmm.
1180
01:27:16.319 --> 01:27:17.445
For so many years,
1181
01:27:17.487 --> 01:27:19.489
she's gotten
all these different stories.
1182
01:27:19.531 --> 01:27:22.033
But listening to her,
you got the sense
1183
01:27:22.075 --> 01:27:25.036
that she believed
what he said
1184
01:27:25.078 --> 01:27:27.539
about the fate
of her daughter.
1185
01:27:29.791 --> 01:27:33.211
Hearing him in my hometown
1186
01:27:33.253 --> 01:27:35.797
saying he was Natalee's killer,
1187
01:27:35.839 --> 01:27:38.466
I'm really trying
to lean into...
1188
01:27:38.508 --> 01:27:42.303
the acceptance of,
that's our level of closure.
1189
01:27:42.345 --> 01:27:44.681
But a sociopath
will gain pleasure
1190
01:27:44.723 --> 01:27:46.641
from someone else's pain,
1191
01:27:46.683 --> 01:27:47.934
so it doesn't surprise me
1192
01:27:47.976 --> 01:27:51.688
that his story
was incredibly gruesome
1193
01:27:51.730 --> 01:27:54.190
and specific.
1194
01:27:54.232 --> 01:27:56.484
One thing that
psychopaths can do is,
1195
01:27:56.526 --> 01:27:58.903
they can add details
and embellishments
1196
01:27:58.945 --> 01:28:03.408
to trigger an emotion
from people.
1197
01:28:03.450 --> 01:28:07.037
I think the cinder-block idea
isn't true necessarily
1198
01:28:07.078 --> 01:28:08.872 line:5%
because that would be evidence
you could find.
1199
01:28:08.913 --> 01:28:10.790 line:5%
You'd find a missing
cinder block
1200
01:28:10.832 --> 01:28:12.709 line:5%
if he tried to get rid of it
somewhere.
1201
01:28:14.711 --> 01:28:17.255 line:5%
I think there will always
be lingering questions
1202
01:28:17.297 --> 01:28:18.882 line:5%
and people will have
their doubts
1203
01:28:18.923 --> 01:28:20.300 line:5%
about Joran's confession.
1204
01:28:22.635 --> 01:28:24.846
Anything released
along those beaches
1205
01:28:24.888 --> 01:28:28.433
would end up being pulled back
into shore no matter what.
1206
01:28:28.475 --> 01:28:31.227
That's the way
the current runs.
1207
01:28:31.269 --> 01:28:34.397
It'd just have slowly drifted
right back onto the sand
1208
01:28:34.439 --> 01:28:36.608
and gone nowhere.
1209
01:28:36.649 --> 01:28:38.651
That's not what happened.
1210
01:28:38.693 --> 01:28:41.446
That's not
how she was disposed of.
1211
01:28:41.488 --> 01:28:43.656
I'm convinced of that.
1212
01:28:43.698 --> 01:28:45.325
It just feels
like common sense
1213
01:28:45.367 --> 01:28:48.995
that there had to have been
some type of extra...
1214
01:28:49.037 --> 01:28:51.039
outside help
1215
01:28:51.081 --> 01:28:54.459
to ultimately make sure
that this--
1216
01:28:54.501 --> 01:28:57.003
Natalee goes away
and is never found.
1217
01:28:57.045 --> 01:29:01.966
And that's where I believe
his dad played the part.
1218
01:29:02.008 --> 01:29:04.052
The judge
sentenced van der Sloot
1219
01:29:04.094 --> 01:29:06.721
to 20 years behind bars
to run concurrently
1220
01:29:06.763 --> 01:29:09.265
with the sentence that he is
already serving right now
1221
01:29:09.307 --> 01:29:10.934
in Peru.
1222
01:29:10.975 --> 01:29:14.688
When he finishes his murder
sentence for Stephany Flores,
1223
01:29:14.729 --> 01:29:18.650
he'll just be a free man,
unless he gets out early.
1224
01:29:18.692 --> 01:29:20.652
Then he would have to come
to the United States
1225
01:29:20.694 --> 01:29:21.903
and serve jail .
1226
01:29:24.906 --> 01:29:27.534
The concurrent sentence
that Joran was given,
1227
01:29:27.575 --> 01:29:30.578
he'd be getting out
at 57 years old.
1228
01:29:30.620 --> 01:29:32.914
He's going to have a full life
ahead of him still.
1229
01:29:32.956 --> 01:29:34.582
He might even have
grandchildren.
1230
01:29:34.624 --> 01:29:38.461
But Beth went along.
She wanted the answers.
1231
01:29:42.841 --> 01:29:45.218
"A" camera mark.
1232
01:29:45.260 --> 01:29:47.512
The way the murder
was described,
1233
01:29:47.554 --> 01:29:49.556
Natalee never knew
what happened,
1234
01:29:49.597 --> 01:29:52.392
you know, never knew
what hit her.
1235
01:29:52.434 --> 01:29:56.187
It was immediate and painless
for her the way it sounded,
1236
01:29:56.229 --> 01:29:59.482
so maybe there was
a comfort in that.
1237
01:30:01.818 --> 01:30:04.279
You said something to me
that it really struck me.
1238
01:30:04.320 --> 01:30:06.406
You said that this is
better than closure.
1239
01:30:06.448 --> 01:30:07.449
It is.
1240
01:30:07.490 --> 01:30:09.284
Why is this
better than closure?
1241
01:30:09.325 --> 01:30:11.202
You know, for me, closure
is not what I got.
1242
01:30:11.244 --> 01:30:13.413
I got, it's over, it's solved.
1243
01:30:13.455 --> 01:30:15.665
Joran van der Sloot
is the murderer.
1244
01:30:15.707 --> 01:30:18.501
The not knowing is more
torturous than the knowing.
1245
01:30:18.543 --> 01:30:20.920
The not knowing
is the never-ending nightmare,
1246
01:30:20.962 --> 01:30:23.214
and that's worse.
- But now you do know.
1247
01:30:23.256 --> 01:30:24.674
And the knowing is horrific
1248
01:30:24.716 --> 01:30:26.509
in terms of the details
of what he did.
1249
01:30:26.551 --> 01:30:27.927
It is. It is.
1250
01:30:27.969 --> 01:30:31.264
It is, and it's shocking to us
to think that somebody
1251
01:30:31.306 --> 01:30:33.099
is capable of doing that.
1252
01:30:33.141 --> 01:30:35.143
Do you think 20 years
is enough time?
1253
01:30:35.185 --> 01:30:37.645
I don't think
any victim's family
1254
01:30:37.687 --> 01:30:41.358
is going to think ever
an amount of time is enough.
1255
01:30:41.399 --> 01:30:45.820
So here's what I have to take
comfort in--is what I needed,
1256
01:30:45.862 --> 01:30:48.573
and I needed the answers as
to what happened to Natalee.
1257
01:30:48.615 --> 01:30:53.119
So I feel like now
I can kind of, like...
1258
01:30:53.161 --> 01:30:57.248
Oh.
1259
01:30:57.290 --> 01:31:00.710
Oh.
Now I can focus on that.
1260
01:31:00.752 --> 01:31:02.587
Yeah.
1261
01:31:02.629 --> 01:31:04.089
Yeah.
1262
01:31:04.130 --> 01:31:07.258
Are you
properly buckled, honey?
1263
01:31:07.300 --> 01:31:10.178
Oh, you're not!
1264
01:31:10.220 --> 01:31:13.181
Got that one.
1265
01:31:13.223 --> 01:31:16.101
When you look
at the collateral damage
1266
01:31:16.142 --> 01:31:18.937
on the Holloway family,
1267
01:31:18.978 --> 01:31:21.815
his family,
the island of Aruba,
1268
01:31:21.856 --> 01:31:23.608
the Flores family,
1269
01:31:23.650 --> 01:31:27.946
it's unbelievable
that one individual
1270
01:31:27.987 --> 01:31:32.117
can create such chaos
and havoc.
1271
01:31:58.018 --> 01:31:59.310
All I can think about
1272
01:31:59.352 --> 01:32:01.563
is where Natalee
would have fit in.
1273
01:32:01.604 --> 01:32:06.026
We've all been bridesmaids
in everybody's wedding.
1274
01:32:06.067 --> 01:32:08.820
We all take our kids
to the same parks
1275
01:32:08.862 --> 01:32:10.780
that we grew up going to,
1276
01:32:10.822 --> 01:32:15.326
and she was senselessly
never given that opportunity.
1277
01:32:15.368 --> 01:32:18.621
It would have been her
with us.
1278
01:32:18.663 --> 01:32:21.249
And, also, I wonder
what kind of doctor
1279
01:32:21.291 --> 01:32:22.667
she would have been
1280
01:32:22.709 --> 01:32:24.919
so I could call and be like,
my kid's ear hurts.
1281
01:32:24.961 --> 01:32:26.296
You know, what do I do?
1282
01:32:26.338 --> 01:32:29.632
I mean, she was
a dependable, amazing human.
1283
01:32:31.718 --> 01:32:33.845
I really wish
now that I'm older,
1284
01:32:33.887 --> 01:32:36.306
I could go back
and get to know who she was
1285
01:32:36.348 --> 01:32:37.891
those last few months,
1286
01:32:37.932 --> 01:32:42.437
because, man, you know,
I'll never get that back.
1287
01:32:42.479 --> 01:32:46.024
And I don't want people
to ever forget this.
1288
01:32:46.066 --> 01:32:50.195
I hope he's miserable.
It's what he deserves.
1289
01:32:50.236 --> 01:32:53.490
I definitely want
to talk to him.
1290
01:32:53.531 --> 01:32:56.826
And I definitely want
to whoop his ass.
1291
01:32:56.868 --> 01:33:00.246
Which one's going
to come first, I don't know.
1292
01:33:00.288 --> 01:33:02.374
I know there's
more to the story,
1293
01:33:02.415 --> 01:33:04.918
and there always will be.
1294
01:33:04.959 --> 01:33:08.046
And we got to keep digging.
1295
01:33:08.088 --> 01:33:10.382
Otherwise, it's all in vain.
1296
01:33:10.423 --> 01:33:13.760
I owe it to my family
1297
01:33:13.802 --> 01:33:15.345
and to Natalee.
1298
01:33:15.387 --> 01:33:17.472
I'm not going to stop.