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{\an8}OK...
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{\an8}so what happens?
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{\an8}- Um...
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{\an8}I'm actually with, uh...
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{\an8}with Natalee
walking along the beach.
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{\an8}We lay down together
in the sand...
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{\an8}And we start
kissing each other.
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{\an8}I start feeling her up again,
she tells me no.
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Joran, Joran!
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It's a name we'd hope
we never have to hear again,
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Joran van der Sloot.
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She's laying down
unconscious...
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Possibly even, uh, even dead.
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I decide to take her
and to put her into the ocean.
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That's not what happened.
I'm convinced of that.
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There's absolutely
no reason to believe me.
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I would probably not
believe myself, no.
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This kid got away with it.
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So why does he
kill another person
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when he was as free as a bird?
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Joran, Joran!
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Joran van der Sloot,
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a suspect
in the disappearance
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of Natalee Holloway,
is now the number one suspect
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in the murder of a young woman
here in Lima.
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He shows absolutely
no remorse.
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He shows such a lack
of concern.
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But if you don't
think that this story
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could get any darker,
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stand by, because it does.
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A surprising development
in a mystery
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going back almost 20 years.
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{\an8}- Van der Sloot is accused of
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{\an8}offering to tell
Natalee's family
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{\an8}where she was buried
in exchange for $1/4 million.
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To come up with this
master plan of extorting
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the grieving mother,
it's so far beyond
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what you would expect even
a psychopathic killer to do.
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{\an8}- 18 years later, my mom is
standing in the courthouse
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{\an8}within feet of the guy that--
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{\an8}that killed my sister.
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{\an8}He has single-handedly
destroyed everyone around him
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{\an8}just for his own selfish
existence on this earth.
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{\an8}- It's just important for
everyone to know the truth.
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{\an8}- He's incapable
of telling the truth.
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{\an8}He's a pathological liar.
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{\an8}Mm...
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First, a very serious story.
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A high school senior
from Alabama is missing today.
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She disappeared during
a trip to Aruba.
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She was there celebrating
her graduation.
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Nicknamed "Hootie,"
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Natalee went to Aruba
on a senior trip.
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This story just broke
across the wires today.
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We're going to be following
it up on it tomorrow.
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I remember sitting
on the bus
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and one of our chaperones
saying, you know,
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has anyone seen Natalee?
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Everyone is here
except for Natalee.
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{\an8}And so at first,
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{\an8}she must have, like, been
sleeping through her alarm.
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{\an8}Um...
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But then very, very quickly,
it took a pretty scary turn.
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She wasn't in her room.
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She wasn't on the beach.
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We collectively started
trying to understand, like,
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who saw her last
and who was she with.
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A lot of us were not prepared
to leave without her.
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We were all just devastated.
Just devastated.
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This is what our
parents had always
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told us to be careful of.
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{\an8}Natalee is a good girl
from a good family,
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{\an8}straight-A student, she's
about to go off to college.
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All right.
Who's our special guest today?
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- It's Hootie.
- Hootie Hoo Holloway.
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Hi, friend.
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Just, you know,
sitting in the back,
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cruising over to my place.
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Called her Hootie.
She was hilarious.
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There's Hootie.
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{\an8}But if she liked or didn't
like something, you knew.
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A fearless friend,
so completely herself.
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Like so silly, so fun,
so smart.
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{\an8}She had a full scholarship
to the University of Alabama.
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{\an8}Her plan was to do pre-med.
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She earned that.
She worked so hard.
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I have no doubt
that she would
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be the best physician
out there.
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How could this happen?
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When you were watching this,
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you just wanted the worst-case
scenario not to be true.
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She's approximately 5'5".
She weighs about 110 pounds.
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Beth Holloway is
absolutely convinced
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that something has happened.
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{\an8}She's desperate
to find Natalee,
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{\an8}and she actually arranges
to be flown down to the island.
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By the time we were home,
Beth was in Aruba.
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We all gathered at my house,
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just trying
to rack our brains,
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relay any information that
we possibly can back to Beth.
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Within hours,
we had realized who Joran was.
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One friend could describe him
and she could name him.
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Beth goes to the Holiday Inn
where Natalee had been staying.
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And at the desk is a woman
who remembers Natalee.
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And when Beth says
the name Joran,
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she knows exactly who he is.
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He's here often.
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She said, oh,
that's Joran van der Sloot,
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he likes to prey upon
young female tourists.
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When I heard that,
I was like, oh, my gosh.
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Oh dear God, you know,
he got one, you know?
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She didn't answer her phone,
so it was not normal.
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{\an8}My dad got worried,
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{\an8}and he started
to call all her friends.
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{\an8}Then we find out that the
last place that they saw her
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{\an8}was entering to the casino.
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The family approached
the owner of the casino.
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{\an8}They bring the Flores' family
into the back room
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{\an8}and they start
matching up the cameras.
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They find Stephany.
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They see the guy
standing next to her.
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You see them
on the casino floor.
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They're gambling together
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and this is
camera after camera,
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just one angle
cutting to the next.
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You can trace their movements
through the casino
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until they walk out of the
casino into the dark together.
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So at that point,
they have a face.
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They don't have a name yet,
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but Joran had registered
for a prize at the casino.
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So when he registered
for that,
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he put down his name.
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So all of a sudden,
they have a name,
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they have a face,
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punched it into the internet,
oh, my God.
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And at that moment,
we find out who he was.
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They're frantic.
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There's just howls
and shrieking
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and they know that the
daughter's probably dead.
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It was Natalee who asked me
to go out with her.
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It was her that asked me
to come to the club.
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It was her that was yelling
at me to go dance with her.
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Psychiatrists aren't allowed
to diagnose public figures
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without having
personally assessed them.
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That said, everything
I've read about him
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is consistent with
what you would see
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if he were psychopathic.
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{\an8}Externalizing blame is
a real hallmark of psychopathy
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{\an8}where everything
is somebody else's fault.
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{\an8}It's never your fault.
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{\an8}You can always come
up with a reason
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{\an8}that somebody else
is really to blame.
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She came to me, she was
the one that talked to me.
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And she wanted to
come with us
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and... it was probably
a bad choice.
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We probably should
have told her
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she had to get out of the car.
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And then you never know
what would have happened.
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The teenager was last seen
leaving this establishment
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on Monday morning at 1:30.
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That night, Natalee
was one of my buddies.
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A lot of us are up on the bar
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{\an8}dancing and talking,
and I snapped a photo.
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And you can see Natalee
talking to one of our friends,
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and we were just
having a great time.
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So when we were all ready
to go home, we were starving,
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and we were at the food truck
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right outside
Carlos'n Charlie's.
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And this is when
I saw Natalee in a car.
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The car was silver...
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and she was in the back seat.
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I can see her waving to us.
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I see it so vividly.
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She was really happy.
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She was laughing and singing
and waving to us.
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And so we literally were like,
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oh, how funny,
there goes Natalee.
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I guess she got a ride home.
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And...
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That was the last time
we saw her.
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{\an8}- Her parents showed up
at my door with her picture.
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I didn't even know who
Natalee Holloway was.
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I didn't even know her name.
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Beth is really anxious.
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She's very worried
about her daughter.
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Now she has a name,
she's able to get an address.
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{\an8}And she goes back to
the police station
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{\an8}because she wants help.
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I knew a lot
of the police guys.
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On a small island,
we grow up together.
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I spoke English
like an American.
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{\an8}And I looked more American
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{\an8}than some of the other people
trying to help.
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So I said I'd be glad to
help in any way I could.
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Beth was very grieving
and very frustrated,
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but she was definitely
on a mission.
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I asked the police, do you
know where the guy lives?
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And she said, yeah, yeah.
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So we went and
we drove around the house.
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And I saw the silver car.
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So I felt settled in that
we were at the right place.
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Police knock on the door.
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Joran van der Sloot's father,
Paulus, answers the door.
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Then father said to Joran,
tell them what you know.
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And Joran said, no, I don't
know anything about her.
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I don't know who it is.
I did meet her.
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We went out
and had some drinks.
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But no,
that's as far as it goes.
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And I said,
you better tell the truth.
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Whatever it is,
if you did nothing, say that.
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Don't lie because you're going
to get in a lot of trouble.
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And then he said we took her
to the Holiday Inn.
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And at the Holiday Inn,
she got out and she tripped.
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When she tripped,
she banged her head,
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then went into
the Holiday Inn,
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but never came back
and they left.
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The feeling I got was that
he wasn't solid, you know.
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It's just a feeling
that you get
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from people when
they're not solid
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about what they're saying.
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I didn't know if he was guilty,
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but I did feel that
he wasn't innocent.
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And at that point,
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father looked at the crowd
and he said that's it.
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Joran van der Sloot's family
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was very influential
on the island.
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{\an8}His mother was well-known
and well-liked.
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{\an8}She was a schoolteacher.
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{\an8}His father was a prominent
lawyer up for a judgeship.
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{\an8}- Joran had moved to Aruba
when he was a young boy,
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{\an8}but he'd been born
back in the Netherlands
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{\an8}and the father wanted to work
his way up in the legal ranks,
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{\an8}and maybe going to
a far-flung outpost
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{\an8}was a way for him
to get a judgeship.
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So the family wound up
in this island paradise.
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For a teenage boy,
there was a lot to do.
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He had kind of
the run of the island
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and he had a mean streak.
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I mean, we had heard
that he had anger issues.
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{\an8}We would hear that
from former girlfriends
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{\an8}or people who knew the family.
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{\an8}- There had been reports
of his abuse of animals.
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He had thrown a homeless man
off of a bridge,
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much to his amusement.
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There were reports
from women on the island
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that he had harassed or
sexually pressured young girls.
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One of the girls
was as young as 12.
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But the problem was
any of the women
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who had come forward
were so frightened
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by this media that was
now on the island
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that we really were
never able to get
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a full picture of what
exactly had transpired.
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Joran was creating some
tension in the home as well.
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He had two younger brothers
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and was bullying one
in particular.
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And at that point,
the family said,
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OK, this has gone on too far.
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{\an8}Deliberately harming
an innocent victim
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{\an8}just for the fun of it,
stealing, lying,
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{\an8}when you start seeing not just
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{\an8}one kind of
antisocial behavior,
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{\an8}but a whole range of them,
that's when you start
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{\an8}suspecting a kid has
a real disorder of aggression.
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These are children who
are at risk
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of becoming psychopathic
as adults.
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His mother, Anita,
did seek help
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and did have Joran speak
with a therapist on the island.
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And at one point,
Joran was moved from the house
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and into this guest cottage
where he could be on his own
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and there was
a physical separation
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between the brothers.
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And that gave him
the ability to just
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come and go as he pleased.
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So he looked older
for his age.
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He could go into casinos,
gamble.
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You could get free drinks
while you're gambling.
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It was perfect
and nobody questioned him.
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{\an8}Joran is a teenager,
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{\an8}17-year-old teenager
like every other boy.
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He's a very honest boy.
He's very sincere.
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Why--why would a boy who
has enough friends,
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who has a normal life
going on,
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why would a boy do something
wrong to a girl he just met?
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The truth will come out.
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And when I look at this boy,
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I only can say
he's telling the truth.
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{\an8}Next day, the police found
her vehicle in an alley.
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{\an8}He had changed his appearance
by the time he got to the car.
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He shaved his hair somewhat.
He had dyed it.
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He had changed his clothes.
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He knew that everyone was
looking for him at that point.
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As you know, our primary goal
is to bring Natalee back home.
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We will do whatever it takes.
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There is a significant reward
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for the person who
returns Natalee to us safely.
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Please help bring her home.
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The disappearance
of Natalee Holloway
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topped the ratings
over the Iraq War.
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{\an8}I mean, the fascination
with the story
302
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{\an8}was like nothing we'd ever
seen, you know, since OJ.
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- Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!
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- .
- Can you give us a statement?
305
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- Hey, hey, hey.
- Talk to us.
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It was the perfect storm.
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But let's go to Michelle
Kosinski for the very latest.
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Michelle,
what's been going on today?
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Today was really
about emotion.
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First, we saw
Natalee Holloway's mother,
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Beth, go--
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There are so many aspects
to it
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that grip people's attention.
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{\an8}There's the mystery of it.
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{\an8}There's the sympathetic fear of
I'm a parent,
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{\an8}I send my kids away
to camp or whatever,
317
00:24:12,369 --> 00:24:14,579
{\an8}and you tell yourself, oh,
what are the odds, you know.
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And then something happens
like on this level.
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You can't stop watching.
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00:24:21,378 --> 00:24:23,630
And you want
everything to be OK,
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00:24:23,672 --> 00:24:25,882
but you kind of know it isn't.
322
00:24:25,924 --> 00:24:29,219
And then you want to know
who did it and why.
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00:24:29,260 --> 00:24:33,431
We have no information,
no clothing,
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{\an8}no foot marks, no blood,
325
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nothing to go off of
to be able to dictate
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00:24:39,938 --> 00:24:43,400
what happened
to this literal angel.
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{\an8}They can find the haystack,
we can find the needles,
328
00:24:48,196 --> 00:24:50,407
{\an8}so the problem is
where's the haystack?
329
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The FBI was here.
330
00:24:57,372 --> 00:24:59,124
Search dogs were here.
331
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{\an8}The Dutch army even
flew over Aruba
332
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{\an8}with special airplanes
that could detect heat.
333
00:25:12,095 --> 00:25:16,141
{\an8}Summer 2005 was
a complete roller-coaster
334
00:25:16,182 --> 00:25:20,979
{\an8}with media because it would
be this person has this lead.
335
00:25:21,021 --> 00:25:22,772
The security camera
at a gas station
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00:25:22,814 --> 00:25:24,274
reportedly caught an image
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00:25:24,315 --> 00:25:26,985
of what someone thought was
Natalee Holloway.
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00:25:27,027 --> 00:25:31,197
Then it was big hopes,
super exciting.
339
00:25:31,239 --> 00:25:33,408
And in my mind,
I was like, oh, my gosh,
340
00:25:33,450 --> 00:25:34,993
we could talk to her tomorrow.
341
00:25:35,035 --> 00:25:36,786
We know that
she's on the island.
342
00:25:36,828 --> 00:25:38,455
It really feels strongly
that she's
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being kept against her will.
344
00:25:40,248 --> 00:25:43,126
Well, you know, and it was
so thrilling and so exciting.
345
00:25:43,168 --> 00:25:44,669
It turned out
those blonde hairs
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that were found on duct tape
347
00:25:45,837 --> 00:25:48,214
a few weeks ago were
not Natalee's.
348
00:25:48,256 --> 00:25:49,841
Crash.
Nothing.
349
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I had that gut feeling that,
uh...
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just as a parent,
you just have that feeling
351
00:25:57,724 --> 00:26:01,353
that she's not here anymore.
352
00:26:01,394 --> 00:26:03,480
But on the other hand, I had
to convince everybody else
353
00:26:03,521 --> 00:26:07,192
that I had the wrong feelings,
354
00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:11,529
that maybe we would find her
alive or whatever.
355
00:26:11,571 --> 00:26:17,035
But I had that sinking feeling
that things aren't right.
356
00:26:17,077 --> 00:26:20,121
I remember my dad jumping
down into a landfill
357
00:26:20,163 --> 00:26:25,293
{\an8}and just physically ripping
open trash bags, garbage bags,
358
00:26:25,335 --> 00:26:28,338
{\an8}moving large appliances,
359
00:26:28,380 --> 00:26:31,174
picking up stuff
with his bare hands
360
00:26:31,216 --> 00:26:33,968
and just searching
for Natalee's body.
361
00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:36,763
My dad was in that 100%
362
00:26:36,805 --> 00:26:41,434
and seeing that was
really powerful.
363
00:26:44,896 --> 00:26:48,024
There's a lot of times
over the years
364
00:26:48,066 --> 00:26:51,236
where sunglasses were
my best friend.
365
00:26:51,277 --> 00:26:53,196
And, you know,
366
00:26:53,238 --> 00:26:55,699
to hide the tears that were
running down your face.
367
00:26:55,740 --> 00:26:58,785
So I started having
panic attacks,
368
00:26:58,827 --> 00:27:01,371
and the attacks became so bad,
369
00:27:01,413 --> 00:27:02,997
I thought I was going to have
a heart attack.
370
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:04,207
Sometimes you lose it
and you start
371
00:27:04,249 --> 00:27:06,710
just digging in a sand dune
or--
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00:27:06,751 --> 00:27:08,169
let's look in this hole,
you know,
373
00:27:08,211 --> 00:27:10,463
knowing that
there's nothing there,
374
00:27:10,505 --> 00:27:14,551
you know, but let's do it.
375
00:27:17,012 --> 00:27:18,596
It's just really hard
to be around
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00:27:18,638 --> 00:27:20,932
that kind of loss and emotion.
377
00:27:20,974 --> 00:27:24,686
Like, that kind
of loss, it's so awful.
378
00:27:26,271 --> 00:27:30,900
It's so deep and you're around
it day after day, you know.
379
00:27:33,194 --> 00:27:34,487
Authorities continue
to question
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00:27:34,529 --> 00:27:36,906
three men Holloway was
last seen with.
381
00:27:36,948 --> 00:27:39,117
Dutch teen,
Joran van der Sloot,
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00:27:39,159 --> 00:27:42,495
and Surinamese brothers,
Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.
383
00:27:42,537 --> 00:27:44,873
All three men
apparently acknowledged
384
00:27:44,914 --> 00:27:47,250
giving her a ride
back to her hotel
385
00:27:47,292 --> 00:27:49,169
the night of her
disappearance.
386
00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:51,963
They had interviewed
the three suspects,
387
00:27:52,005 --> 00:27:53,631
and they said the route
they took
388
00:27:53,673 --> 00:27:56,217
was around the lighthouse,
and then they came back
389
00:27:56,259 --> 00:27:59,512
and dropped her off in
the lobby of the Holiday Inn.
390
00:27:59,554 --> 00:28:02,307
The surveillance footage of
the Holiday Inn was viewed
391
00:28:02,349 --> 00:28:06,394
and we found out that she
did not return to the hotel.
392
00:28:06,436 --> 00:28:08,104
There is absolutely
no footage of her
393
00:28:08,146 --> 00:28:10,231
anywhere outside of the hotel.
394
00:28:10,273 --> 00:28:12,400
There's no car
dropping her off.
395
00:28:12,442 --> 00:28:14,611
{\an8}And at this point,
396
00:28:14,652 --> 00:28:17,489
{\an8}Joran van der Sloot's story
begins to change.
397
00:28:19,616 --> 00:28:22,535
So now he claims that
he took Natalee to the beach
398
00:28:22,577 --> 00:28:26,456
and that he left Natalee
at the beach.
399
00:28:26,498 --> 00:28:28,041
I-I thought maybe
she'd understand.
400
00:28:28,083 --> 00:28:30,126
She told me, no, she wanted
me to stay there with her
401
00:28:30,168 --> 00:28:31,461
because the next
day she was leaving
402
00:28:31,503 --> 00:28:33,713
and she wanted to stay there
the whole night.
403
00:28:33,755 --> 00:28:35,382
I told her, no, I had to go.
404
00:28:35,423 --> 00:28:39,260
I even--I even lifted her up
to carry her back to her hotel.
405
00:28:39,302 --> 00:28:41,763
And she told me
to put her down.
406
00:28:43,515 --> 00:28:45,892
And he claims that he called
one of the Kalpoe brothers,
407
00:28:45,934 --> 00:28:48,144
Deepak, to come
and pick him up.
408
00:28:48,186 --> 00:28:51,022
And that he went home.
409
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,359
But...
410
00:28:57,487 --> 00:28:59,614
Police had gone back
and they were able to discover
411
00:28:59,656 --> 00:29:05,829
that, in fact, Deepak was home
that night on his computer.
412
00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:08,248
And at some time
after 3:00 a.m.,
413
00:29:08,289 --> 00:29:11,835
Joran had sent him a message
saying, I'm home.
414
00:29:14,170 --> 00:29:16,131
The story was unraveling.
415
00:29:16,172 --> 00:29:19,217
{\an8}As pieces of evidence came in
that worked against him,
416
00:29:19,259 --> 00:29:20,844
{\an8}he would switch his story.
417
00:29:20,885 --> 00:29:22,637
{\an8}- I would love for someone
to come and tell me
418
00:29:22,679 --> 00:29:24,681
{\an8}if there's anything worse
I did because
419
00:29:24,723 --> 00:29:28,226
{\an8}I've never touched a girl in
an aggressive way in my life.
420
00:29:28,268 --> 00:29:30,603
{\an8}Truly pathological liars,
that's exactly how they lie.
421
00:29:30,645 --> 00:29:31,688
When the lie is disproven,
422
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:33,273
you turn around
and tell another lie
423
00:29:33,314 --> 00:29:35,233
without even stopping
to catch your breath.
424
00:29:35,275 --> 00:29:37,235
That's true
pathological lying.
425
00:29:37,277 --> 00:29:38,945
How did you feel
when you left her?
426
00:29:38,987 --> 00:29:40,113
Well, at the time I didn't--
427
00:29:40,155 --> 00:29:42,615
I didn't feel
it was a bad idea.
428
00:29:42,657 --> 00:29:44,242
At the time, I really didn't.
429
00:29:44,284 --> 00:29:47,037
You know, like you don't
care about the truth.
430
00:29:47,078 --> 00:29:48,288
I think one of the early
pictures I saw of him,
431
00:29:48,329 --> 00:29:50,206
he had a little bit of a smirk
on his face...
432
00:29:51,916 --> 00:29:53,793
Which I remember thinking
was a little bit surprising
433
00:29:53,835 --> 00:29:55,670
for somebody who was being,
you know,
434
00:29:55,712 --> 00:29:58,715
falsely accused of a terrible
crime you didn't commit.
435
00:29:58,757 --> 00:30:01,092
What was the last thing
that she said to you?
436
00:30:01,134 --> 00:30:02,969
Um--I--she didn't say
any last thing to me.
437
00:30:03,011 --> 00:30:05,597
The last thing I said to her
was bye.
438
00:30:05,638 --> 00:30:09,684
He came across as cocky
and not caring.
439
00:30:09,726 --> 00:30:12,062
It didn't faze him at all.
440
00:30:12,103 --> 00:30:14,147
I think Joran felt untouchable
441
00:30:14,189 --> 00:30:16,733
because of his father's status
on the island.
442
00:30:16,775 --> 00:30:18,401
How's he doing?
443
00:30:18,443 --> 00:30:21,237
Paulus has
a very close relationship
444
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:24,824
to the Chief of Police,
van der Straaten.
445
00:30:24,866 --> 00:30:26,785
They know each other
from the Netherlands
446
00:30:26,826 --> 00:30:29,537
and there was speculation
that Chief van der Straaten
447
00:30:29,579 --> 00:30:32,415
is Joran van der Sloot's
godfather.
448
00:30:32,457 --> 00:30:35,877
This is my name,
Commissioner van der Straaten.
449
00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:39,422
And at some point, we learn
that a meeting has taken place
450
00:30:39,464 --> 00:30:44,302
at the van der Sloot home
between Paulus van der Sloot,
451
00:30:44,344 --> 00:30:48,807
his son, Joran,
and the two Kalpoe brothers.
452
00:30:48,848 --> 00:30:51,768
The prosecutor's office
let us know that
453
00:30:51,810 --> 00:30:53,645
Joran van der Sloot's father
454
00:30:53,687 --> 00:30:55,480
{\an8}allegedly told
all three of the boys
455
00:30:55,522 --> 00:30:58,608
{\an8}that without a body,
there is no case.
456
00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:00,610
It is believed
that Paulus was
457
00:31:00,652 --> 00:31:05,115
counseling the three of them
to not say anything,
458
00:31:05,156 --> 00:31:08,243
not speak to police.
459
00:31:08,284 --> 00:31:12,038
Because if there is no body,
there is no crime.
460
00:31:13,498 --> 00:31:17,293
At that point, suspicion
starts to really move
461
00:31:17,335 --> 00:31:19,587
to Joran's father, Paulus.
462
00:31:19,629 --> 00:31:22,799
Is there anything
you'd like to say?
463
00:31:22,841 --> 00:31:26,469
What does he know?
What is he counseling his son?
464
00:31:26,511 --> 00:31:28,805
Are they trying
to get their story straight?
465
00:31:28,847 --> 00:31:32,684
There's a belief that perhaps
Paulus was directly involved
466
00:31:32,726 --> 00:31:34,185
in whatever it was
467
00:31:34,227 --> 00:31:36,938
that happened to Natalee's body
after she died.
468
00:31:51,661 --> 00:31:53,663
11 days after
Natalee disappeared,
469
00:31:53,705 --> 00:31:57,042
police arrested Joran
the very day
470
00:31:57,083 --> 00:32:01,046
he was supposed to have
graduated from high school.
471
00:32:01,087 --> 00:32:03,131
Finally, finally,
472
00:32:03,173 --> 00:32:07,177
{\an8}Joran van der Sloot is arrested
under suspicion of murder.
473
00:32:08,636 --> 00:32:12,223
There's a lot of questions
about why now.
474
00:32:12,265 --> 00:32:13,683
Authorities are saying that
475
00:32:13,725 --> 00:32:15,643
they are doing everything
methodically, carefully,
476
00:32:15,685 --> 00:32:17,937
and by the book.
477
00:32:17,979 --> 00:32:20,440
There was no real piece
of evidence
478
00:32:20,482 --> 00:32:24,194
linking him
to Natalee's disappearance.
479
00:32:24,235 --> 00:32:28,490
But unlike our system where
you need to have evidence,
480
00:32:28,531 --> 00:32:30,033
in the Dutch system,
481
00:32:30,075 --> 00:32:33,787
you are able to hold somebody
under suspicion.
482
00:32:33,828 --> 00:32:36,206
{\an8}It's called a
preventive detention.
483
00:32:36,247 --> 00:32:42,962
{\an8}And during that period is when
the investigation goes deeper.
484
00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:49,719
With no real evidence
to further this case,
485
00:32:49,761 --> 00:32:52,222
police were really
looking at ways
486
00:32:52,263 --> 00:32:54,391
to try and get him to speak.
487
00:32:54,432 --> 00:32:56,810
And they did countless
interviews with him.
488
00:32:56,851 --> 00:33:00,397
These were intense
multi-hour interrogations.
489
00:33:00,438 --> 00:33:01,606
{\an8}The interrogations,
of course,
490
00:33:01,648 --> 00:33:03,483
{\an8}were horrible
because they put--
491
00:33:03,525 --> 00:33:05,402
{\an8}they put stuff in your head.
492
00:33:05,443 --> 00:33:07,278
They really try and
make you look guilty,
493
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,947
even if you're not guilty.
494
00:33:08,988 --> 00:33:11,700
No matter who was
interviewing Joran,
495
00:33:11,741 --> 00:33:15,286
he would tell a story,
and it would feel
496
00:33:15,328 --> 00:33:17,330
as though he was getting
to the point
497
00:33:17,372 --> 00:33:20,750
where he was going
to perhaps confess.
498
00:33:20,792 --> 00:33:22,669
And then he would
always pull back,
499
00:33:22,711 --> 00:33:25,046
and the story would
go off on a tangent.
500
00:33:25,088 --> 00:33:27,966
And there would be
details that would come in
501
00:33:28,008 --> 00:33:31,177
that were not there before.
502
00:33:31,219 --> 00:33:33,263
And all of a sudden,
he's pointing the finger
503
00:33:33,304 --> 00:33:34,973
at the Kalpoe brothers...
504
00:33:37,392 --> 00:33:41,438
That they knew that he had
gone home
505
00:33:41,479 --> 00:33:44,065
and he had left Natalee
at the beach.
506
00:33:44,107 --> 00:33:47,819
And perhaps one of them
went back to the beach...
507
00:33:47,861 --> 00:33:50,488
and he killed Natalee.
508
00:33:50,530 --> 00:33:53,783
Just dancing circles
around the investigators.
509
00:33:53,825 --> 00:33:56,619
He seemed to be
enjoying himself.
510
00:33:56,661 --> 00:33:58,830
{\an8}He knew there was
no body to find.
511
00:33:58,872 --> 00:34:02,292
{\an8}His father had told
him, no body, no crime.
512
00:34:02,334 --> 00:34:03,835
How you doing, Joran?
513
00:34:03,877 --> 00:34:07,839
And he never once
admitted to this crime.
514
00:34:07,881 --> 00:34:10,008
And so people on the island
would say, well, you know,
515
00:34:10,050 --> 00:34:11,509
he was interrogated.
516
00:34:11,551 --> 00:34:14,596
He didn't admit it,
maybe he didn't do it.
517
00:34:14,637 --> 00:34:16,848
Or maybe he's a sociopath.
518
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,625
Joran van der Sloot,
jailed since June 7th...
519
00:34:45,418 --> 00:34:48,755
Now a free man.
520
00:34:48,797 --> 00:34:52,217
He returned home to cheers
from friends and family.
521
00:34:52,258 --> 00:34:56,763
If they suspect that
you're a part of a crime,
522
00:34:56,805 --> 00:35:00,558
{\an8}it's up to the prosecutor to
gather additional information.
523
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,477
{\an8}If they don't,
then they're set free.
524
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:04,771
And no new evidence
was presented.
525
00:35:04,813 --> 00:35:09,693
So, on September 3, 2005,
they let him go.
526
00:35:09,734 --> 00:35:14,364
Joran was the last person
seen with my daughter.
527
00:35:14,406 --> 00:35:16,282
He knows what happened.
528
00:35:16,324 --> 00:35:18,785
And now he's free and clear.
529
00:35:18,827 --> 00:35:22,872
{\an8}Joran looked at a very
bright future, just graduated,
530
00:35:22,914 --> 00:35:25,291
{\an8}accepted at a lot
of universities
531
00:35:25,333 --> 00:35:28,086
{\an8}and was ready to go
to Tampa to study.
532
00:35:28,128 --> 00:35:32,507
His life has been turned
upside down completely.
533
00:35:32,549 --> 00:35:35,260
I hope that everyone
gives Joran a chance
534
00:35:35,301 --> 00:35:37,137
to continue his life.
535
00:35:37,178 --> 00:35:39,431
For lying,
I probably deserved to be
536
00:35:39,472 --> 00:35:41,891
in that jail for three months.
537
00:35:41,933 --> 00:35:44,561
But I did not do anything
against the law, and...
538
00:35:44,602 --> 00:35:46,062
they have to let you go.
539
00:35:46,104 --> 00:35:48,356
They have to let me get on
with my life.
540
00:35:51,943 --> 00:35:55,113
I want to thank everyone
for coming.
541
00:35:55,155 --> 00:35:57,449
The day that Joran
was released from prison
542
00:35:57,490 --> 00:35:59,159
was a real turning point,
543
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,411
you know, for Beth, for Dave,
544
00:36:01,453 --> 00:36:04,497
for anybody who was hoping
545
00:36:04,539 --> 00:36:08,251
for any kind of justice
for Natalee.
546
00:36:08,293 --> 00:36:11,212
What it was basically
telegraphing to everybody
547
00:36:11,254 --> 00:36:12,964
was...
548
00:36:13,006 --> 00:36:15,050
he got away with this.
549
00:36:15,091 --> 00:36:16,384
For the rest of my life,
550
00:36:16,426 --> 00:36:18,428
I will continue to be
the voice for my daughter,
551
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:20,472
seeking justice in Aruba.
552
00:36:20,513 --> 00:36:23,391
Every parent would want
the same justice
553
00:36:23,433 --> 00:36:25,310
for their child.
554
00:36:25,352 --> 00:36:28,188
Thank you.
555
00:36:28,229 --> 00:36:30,607
We didn't think there
was a chance in hell
556
00:36:30,648 --> 00:36:33,985
that Joran would get out--
absolutely not.
557
00:36:34,027 --> 00:36:36,863
Joran is a time bomb
waiting to go off.
558
00:36:36,905 --> 00:36:39,657
And it truly concerns me
that another young female
559
00:36:39,699 --> 00:36:41,534
would fall victim to this.
560
00:36:41,576 --> 00:36:44,162
So I think the safest place
for Joran to be
561
00:36:44,204 --> 00:36:47,415
and for his potential victims
to be
562
00:36:47,457 --> 00:36:51,127
would be for him
to be behind bars.
563
00:36:51,169 --> 00:36:55,340
He does not need to have
another young female
564
00:36:55,382 --> 00:36:57,592
fall victim to his actions.
565
00:37:30,417 --> 00:37:31,584
The Flores family
566
00:37:31,626 --> 00:37:33,128
is becoming
more and more desperate.
567
00:37:33,169 --> 00:37:35,005
{\an8}They've got the news
of who this kid is.
568
00:37:35,046 --> 00:37:37,507
The more and more
time slips away,
569
00:37:37,549 --> 00:37:39,259
something terrible
has happened.
570
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:41,261
They know it in their hearts.
571
00:42:02,939 --> 00:42:04,190
One of the suspects
572
00:42:04,232 --> 00:42:05,859
in Natalee Holloway's
disappearance
573
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:07,277
left Aruba Monday.
574
00:42:07,318 --> 00:42:09,738
Joran van der Sloot
left to attend college
575
00:42:09,779 --> 00:42:11,531
in the Netherlands.
576
00:42:11,573 --> 00:42:14,534
Joran was supposed to go
to the United States.
577
00:42:14,576 --> 00:42:17,912
{\an8}He had a scholarship
to a college in Florida,
578
00:42:17,954 --> 00:42:19,789
{\an8}and he was going
to play tennis.
579
00:42:19,831 --> 00:42:21,875
{\an8}He was a fabulous tennis player
in Aruba.
580
00:42:21,916 --> 00:42:23,752
And so, all of a sudden,
581
00:42:23,793 --> 00:42:27,464
his whole life also is upended.
582
00:42:32,052 --> 00:42:34,095
His parents send him
back to the Netherlands,
583
00:42:34,137 --> 00:42:36,264
where he enrolls
in school there.
584
00:42:36,306 --> 00:42:40,018
And the media--intense media
is still following him.
585
00:42:45,982 --> 00:42:47,275
{\an8}In a sort of weird way,
586
00:42:47,317 --> 00:42:49,402
{\an8}he liked
the attention he was getting.
587
00:42:49,444 --> 00:42:51,363
Did you kill
Natalee Holloway?
588
00:42:51,404 --> 00:42:52,947
No.
589
00:42:52,989 --> 00:42:54,949
Everybody was talking
about this case.
590
00:42:54,991 --> 00:42:56,493
It went international,
591
00:42:56,534 --> 00:43:00,288
and I think that he would say
anything just to keep
592
00:43:00,330 --> 00:43:03,667
the limelight on himself.
593
00:43:03,708 --> 00:43:05,043
{\an8}Joran van der Sloot
594
00:43:05,085 --> 00:43:07,128
{\an8}quickly figured out
how to manipulate the media.
595
00:43:07,170 --> 00:43:09,339
{\an8}I think out of the gate,
he realized
596
00:43:09,381 --> 00:43:12,384
he could use this
to his advantage.
597
00:43:12,425 --> 00:43:14,844
It was almost a cat-and-mouse
game with him and the media,
598
00:43:14,886 --> 00:43:17,639
but as we know,
that game became
599
00:43:17,681 --> 00:43:19,557
very, very dangerous later on.
600
00:43:24,771 --> 00:43:27,315
Now for more on what
could be a major development
601
00:43:27,357 --> 00:43:29,109
in the disappearance
of Natalee Holloway.
602
00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:30,443
This Dutch reporter claims
603
00:43:30,485 --> 00:43:32,278
that he has solved
the Natalee Holloway case,
604
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,156
{\an8}that he
has a confession on tape.
605
00:43:35,198 --> 00:43:37,617
{\an8}We did
a hidden-camera operation.
606
00:43:37,659 --> 00:43:40,161
Peter de Vries
was a Dutch journalist,
607
00:43:40,203 --> 00:43:44,207
and, obviously,
he was hot on this story.
608
00:43:44,249 --> 00:43:46,835
And he is going to make it
his mission
609
00:43:46,876 --> 00:43:49,963
to get Joran to confess.
610
00:43:50,005 --> 00:43:53,758
Peter de Vries connects
with a gentleman
611
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,012
named Patrick van der Eem.
612
00:43:57,053 --> 00:43:59,723
And Patrick
has befriended Joran,
613
00:43:59,764 --> 00:44:01,933
and he's convinced
that he can get Joran
614
00:44:01,975 --> 00:44:05,020
to confess.
615
00:44:05,061 --> 00:44:08,189
So they end up
concocting a situation
616
00:44:08,231 --> 00:44:10,358
in which Joran is in a car
617
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,986
that they rigged
with cameras and audio.
618
00:44:13,028 --> 00:44:14,404
And, yeah...
619
00:44:35,592 --> 00:44:39,262
In this particular version
of events,
620
00:44:39,304 --> 00:44:41,890
he was with Natalee
at the beach,
621
00:44:41,931 --> 00:44:44,059
and she began convulsing.
622
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:46,394
And she fell unconscious.
623
00:44:46,436 --> 00:44:48,271
He believed that she was dead,
624
00:44:48,313 --> 00:44:50,607
and he called a friend,
who came with a boat.
625
00:45:13,463 --> 00:45:15,507
We all gathered
at a friend's house,
626
00:45:15,548 --> 00:45:19,052
had this big screen that
we were going to watch it on.
627
00:45:19,094 --> 00:45:22,597
{\an8}It was wild to watch.
628
00:45:25,225 --> 00:45:28,228
In that interview,
he said Natalee is dead.
629
00:45:28,269 --> 00:45:29,646
So that was the first time
630
00:45:29,688 --> 00:45:32,232
that I had really, like, heard
that out loud.
631
00:45:32,273 --> 00:45:34,901
I need to start to come
to terms with that.
632
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,616
{\an8}I wanted to come
through the TV and kill him.
633
00:45:41,658 --> 00:45:44,786
{\an8}I wanted to peel
his skin off his face.
634
00:45:44,828 --> 00:45:46,204
{\an8}- I mean, it was like,
635
00:45:46,246 --> 00:45:50,709
{\an8}how could somebody be so cruel
and inhumane?
636
00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:52,293
I was shell-shocked.
637
00:45:52,335 --> 00:45:54,254
It was a good thing
there was an ocean
638
00:45:54,295 --> 00:45:55,880
between us and Holland,
639
00:45:55,922 --> 00:45:58,717
because I would have come
after him.
640
00:45:58,758 --> 00:46:01,469
He shows absolutely
no remorse.
641
00:46:01,511 --> 00:46:05,056
He shows
such a lack of concern.
642
00:46:06,516 --> 00:46:11,021
At this point, we're seeing
how dark of a young man
643
00:46:11,062 --> 00:46:13,523
Joran van der Sloot
was becoming.
644
00:46:16,526 --> 00:46:19,320
And in my mind, case closed.
645
00:46:19,362 --> 00:46:21,948
That was that.
We got the information.
646
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:23,700
The authorities
looked into it.
647
00:46:26,411 --> 00:46:28,538
Joran van der Sloot
was questioned
648
00:46:28,580 --> 00:46:31,082
by Aruban and Dutch police
on Friday.
649
00:46:31,124 --> 00:46:33,626
It happened less than a week
after a Dutch TV program aired
650
00:46:33,668 --> 00:46:35,837
a hidden-camera interview
with van der Sloot,
651
00:46:35,879 --> 00:46:39,257
saying he was with the missing
Alabama teen when she died.
652
00:46:39,299 --> 00:46:41,551
During his questioning,
van der Sloot insisted
653
00:46:41,593 --> 00:46:43,678
he was under the influence
of marijuana
654
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:45,096
during the interview
655
00:46:45,138 --> 00:46:48,350
and denied any role
in Holloway's disappearance.
656
00:47:05,325 --> 00:47:07,744
Even if a person
confesses to a crime,
657
00:47:07,786 --> 00:47:11,623
{\an8}you need extra evidence
in order to charge.
658
00:47:19,714 --> 00:47:23,259
He was very cocky
during the interrogations.
659
00:47:27,597 --> 00:47:30,684
But I do think that he knew
660
00:47:30,725 --> 00:47:34,104
that they wouldn't be able
to frame anything on him.
661
00:47:41,152 --> 00:47:44,406
Why?
Because somebody helped him...
662
00:47:44,447 --> 00:47:47,200
somebody very close to him...
663
00:47:47,242 --> 00:47:50,286
very, very close to him.
664
00:47:50,328 --> 00:47:54,165
Nobody else would take
that risk.
665
00:47:59,212 --> 00:48:01,256
Tonight,
the incredible new twist
666
00:48:01,297 --> 00:48:03,633
in the Natalee Holloway
investigation.
667
00:48:03,675 --> 00:48:06,469
{\an8}Joran van der Sloot goes on
the record with a shocking talk
668
00:48:06,511 --> 00:48:08,847
{\an8}of what he says happened
to Natalee Holloway
669
00:48:08,888 --> 00:48:11,099
{\an8}the night she disappeared
from Aruba.
670
00:48:11,141 --> 00:48:15,937
{\an8}In 2008, I had a meeting with
Greta Van Susteren, my boss.
671
00:48:15,979 --> 00:48:20,483
And she said she had received
an email from Joran.
672
00:48:20,525 --> 00:48:24,404
And I was to fly to Thailand
673
00:48:24,446 --> 00:48:26,614
and meet with him.
674
00:48:26,656 --> 00:48:30,285
At this point,
his life was in turmoil.
675
00:48:30,326 --> 00:48:31,828
He was a gambling addict,
676
00:48:31,870 --> 00:48:34,039
and he was desperate
for money.
677
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,209
He had a friend in Thailand,
and he ended up in Thailand.
678
00:48:39,711 --> 00:48:42,422
My assignment
was to track him down
679
00:48:42,464 --> 00:48:45,133
and secure an interview.
680
00:48:45,175 --> 00:48:46,801
But the conditions of that were
681
00:48:46,843 --> 00:48:50,638
we were going
to pay him $25,000
682
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,142
to tell us what happened
to Natalee Holloway.
683
00:48:54,184 --> 00:48:58,980
I knew he wanted the money,
but here was the problem.
684
00:48:59,022 --> 00:49:02,567
Going to Thailand
and giving somebody $25,000
685
00:49:02,609 --> 00:49:04,944
is incredibly problematic.
686
00:49:04,986 --> 00:49:08,490
There's a rule that you can
only legally take $5,000
687
00:49:08,531 --> 00:49:10,658
with you into the country.
688
00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:12,494
The rest of the money
had to come in
689
00:49:12,535 --> 00:49:14,371
in $5,000 wire transfers.
690
00:49:14,412 --> 00:49:16,748
There's a time difference,
691
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:20,418
and we can only do $5,000
in a 24-hour time period.
692
00:49:21,711 --> 00:49:24,881
He was desperate,
and he wanted that money,
693
00:49:24,923 --> 00:49:27,926
and he was growing
increasingly impatient.
694
00:49:27,967 --> 00:49:31,763
So, in that time period,
I had to entertain him.
695
00:49:33,264 --> 00:49:36,768
Being with Joran van der Sloot,
he's incredibly charming.
696
00:49:36,810 --> 00:49:38,520
I had to constantly
remind myself
697
00:49:38,561 --> 00:49:39,854
why I was there and who he was.
698
00:49:39,896 --> 00:49:43,733
He was cordial.
He was funny.
699
00:49:43,775 --> 00:49:47,153
But I realized how incredibly
dangerous of a situation
700
00:49:47,195 --> 00:49:48,655
I was in.
701
00:49:48,697 --> 00:49:50,907
He could have snapped on me.
702
00:49:50,949 --> 00:49:53,743
I saw that in the hotel room.
He was incredibly agitated.
703
00:49:53,785 --> 00:49:56,079
At one point, he asked me
to go get the money
704
00:49:56,121 --> 00:49:57,372
out of my own personal account
705
00:49:57,414 --> 00:49:59,457
because he couldn't wait
any longer.
706
00:50:00,875 --> 00:50:05,171
So Greta arrives,
and we had no time to waste.
707
00:50:05,213 --> 00:50:08,091
He's agitated and wants
to get this interview over
708
00:50:08,133 --> 00:50:10,427
because he knows the faster
the interview is over,
709
00:50:10,468 --> 00:50:12,095
{\an8}the faster he's going
to get the payment.
710
00:50:12,137 --> 00:50:15,682
{\an8}You met a guy in February
of three years ago
711
00:50:15,724 --> 00:50:17,225
{\an8}who said he was interested
in something.
712
00:50:17,267 --> 00:50:18,727
{\an8}What was he interested in?
713
00:50:18,768 --> 00:50:21,896
{\an8}As the story unfolds,
he tells a tale...
714
00:50:21,938 --> 00:50:25,692
{\an8}He was interested in me
bringing him a blonde girl.
715
00:50:25,734 --> 00:50:29,571
He had been in contact with
a guy from Venezuela,
716
00:50:29,612 --> 00:50:31,156
met him at a casino,
717
00:50:31,197 --> 00:50:34,034
and the guy said that,
you know, he would pay money
718
00:50:34,075 --> 00:50:38,621
for American girls,
particularly blonde girls.
719
00:50:38,663 --> 00:50:42,834
{\an8}And then he said to meet him
at the beach by the Marriott
720
00:50:42,876 --> 00:50:45,879
{\an8}if I ever got a girl and that
he would give me $10,000.
721
00:50:48,214 --> 00:50:51,885
The day I met Natalee,
I remembered what he said.
722
00:50:51,926 --> 00:50:55,889
In the moment,
as the story is unfolding,
723
00:50:55,930 --> 00:50:58,224
it's feasible.
724
00:51:00,810 --> 00:51:03,104
We all know human trafficking
is a huge problem.
725
00:51:03,146 --> 00:51:05,440
So I'm putting the pieces
together in my head
726
00:51:05,482 --> 00:51:08,068
that this is a possibility.
727
00:51:08,109 --> 00:51:12,947
But what happens next
astounded all of us.
728
00:51:14,699 --> 00:51:17,369
After the interview, we're
on our way to the airport,
729
00:51:17,410 --> 00:51:20,789
and Greta receives a text
730
00:51:20,830 --> 00:51:23,625
that says, "Everything
I told you was a lie.
731
00:51:23,667 --> 00:51:26,127
I just did it for the money."
732
00:51:26,169 --> 00:51:28,546
Greta looks at me and says,
"What do you think?"
733
00:51:28,588 --> 00:51:30,507
And I said, "I think
he's telling the truth here
734
00:51:30,548 --> 00:51:32,092
for the first time."
735
00:51:32,133 --> 00:51:36,221
{\an8}We still do not know which
version, if any, is the truth.
736
00:51:36,262 --> 00:51:38,056
{\an8}- We made the decision
737
00:51:38,098 --> 00:51:40,517
{\an8}to air the Joran van der Sloot
interview,
738
00:51:40,558 --> 00:51:43,395
{\an8}disclosing that we had paid him
the money.
739
00:51:43,436 --> 00:51:45,814
{\an8}And I think in our minds,
740
00:51:45,855 --> 00:51:48,024
{\an8}that was our way
of getting back at him
741
00:51:48,066 --> 00:51:51,152
{\an8}and showing the world
how dark he had become
742
00:51:51,194 --> 00:51:54,197
{\an8}and how he now had perfected
743
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,534
{\an8}using the disappearance
of Natalee Holloway
744
00:51:57,575 --> 00:51:59,536
to make himself money
to finance
745
00:51:59,577 --> 00:52:01,496
his desperate
gambling addiction.
746
00:52:08,712 --> 00:52:11,506
A potentially key witness
in the disappearance
747
00:52:11,548 --> 00:52:15,010
of American teen
Natalee Holloway has died.
748
00:52:15,051 --> 00:52:17,971
Paul van der Sloot
collapsed playing tennis.
749
00:52:18,013 --> 00:52:20,223
Joran gets a phone call
from his mother,
750
00:52:20,265 --> 00:52:23,018
alerting him that his father
had a heart attack
751
00:52:23,059 --> 00:52:24,644
and he died.
752
00:52:24,686 --> 00:52:26,354
There was a lot of speculation
753
00:52:26,396 --> 00:52:28,690
{\an8}the intense pressure
and scrutiny
754
00:52:28,732 --> 00:52:31,192
{\an8}under which his son had put him
755
00:52:31,234 --> 00:52:35,447
is what really led to him
having this heart attack.
756
00:52:37,115 --> 00:52:40,243
Joran literally throws
himself on the casket
757
00:52:40,285 --> 00:52:42,328
and says, this is all my fault.
758
00:52:42,370 --> 00:52:44,039
I did this to you.
759
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,874
Makes a big scene.
760
00:52:45,915 --> 00:52:49,085
Whether it was an act
or whether it was sincere,
761
00:52:49,127 --> 00:52:51,338
only Joran can
answer that question,
762
00:52:51,379 --> 00:52:54,382
but he was visibly...
763
00:52:54,424 --> 00:52:57,052
broken by the death
of his father.
764
00:52:57,093 --> 00:52:59,346
{\an8}I don't know if a person
like Joran van der Sloot
765
00:52:59,387 --> 00:53:01,139
{\an8}has any kind of remorse.
766
00:53:01,181 --> 00:53:04,392
But what we do know
was that his dad
767
00:53:04,434 --> 00:53:07,187
was his rock for a long time,
768
00:53:07,228 --> 00:53:10,065
to the point
that lots of people believe
769
00:53:10,106 --> 00:53:11,900
that his dad helped him
770
00:53:11,941 --> 00:53:15,779
cover up the body
of a young woman
771
00:53:15,820 --> 00:53:18,948
so that it was
never seen again.
772
00:53:20,492 --> 00:53:24,788
Whether his father helped
him out that night or not,
773
00:53:24,829 --> 00:53:27,540
he had to have known
that his father
774
00:53:27,582 --> 00:53:30,251
was always going
to support him.
775
00:53:30,293 --> 00:53:33,380
And then that one person
776
00:53:33,421 --> 00:53:35,924
was suddenly gone.
777
00:53:35,965 --> 00:53:38,093
So he comes back to Aruba,
778
00:53:38,134 --> 00:53:40,929
and he moves back in
with his mother.
779
00:53:40,970 --> 00:53:45,225
And it's my belief
that losing his father
780
00:53:45,266 --> 00:53:48,520
really marked
another turning point
781
00:53:48,561 --> 00:53:50,480
for Joran.
782
00:53:50,522 --> 00:53:52,732
If you don't think that this
story could get any darker,
783
00:53:52,774 --> 00:53:54,442
stand by, because it does.
784
00:53:54,484 --> 00:53:56,695
When he flies back to Aruba,
785
00:53:56,736 --> 00:54:00,615
you would expect someone to be
mourning the loss of a parent,
786
00:54:00,657 --> 00:54:02,617
assisting his mom.
787
00:54:02,659 --> 00:54:04,786
Instead,
Joran van der Sloot is doing
788
00:54:04,828 --> 00:54:07,789
the most horrific,
heinous thing
789
00:54:07,831 --> 00:54:10,250
that you
could possibly imagine.
790
00:54:10,291 --> 00:54:13,628
He allegedly contacted
Natalee's mother in Alabama
791
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:15,964
and offered to tell her
what happened to her daughter,
792
00:54:16,006 --> 00:54:18,258
including where her remains are,
793
00:54:18,299 --> 00:54:21,094
in exchange for a quarter
of a million dollars.
794
00:54:23,179 --> 00:54:24,806
He contacted me.
795
00:54:24,848 --> 00:54:27,142
{\an8}Hi, John, this is Joran.
796
00:54:27,183 --> 00:54:28,768
{\an8}Quickly got to the point
797
00:54:28,810 --> 00:54:32,147
about, you know, he wants
to clear his soul,
798
00:54:32,188 --> 00:54:33,606
clear his conscience
799
00:54:33,648 --> 00:54:36,151
and really tell
what happened to Natalee
800
00:54:36,192 --> 00:54:38,945
and stop the Holloway grief
and things like that.
801
00:54:38,987 --> 00:54:43,158
But in exchange,
he would like $250,000.
802
00:54:47,078 --> 00:54:49,873
The lack of emotions
that he has
803
00:54:49,914 --> 00:54:52,208
{\an8}when he is reaching out
804
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:55,795
{\an8}to Beth Holloway
to get money from her,
805
00:54:55,837 --> 00:55:00,050
knowing that this woman
lost her child...
806
00:55:00,091 --> 00:55:01,217
he doesn't care.
807
00:55:01,259 --> 00:55:05,263
There's no registration
of empathy.
808
00:55:05,305 --> 00:55:08,266
And that's characteristic
psychopath right there.
809
00:55:10,018 --> 00:55:13,772
So I said,
let me talk to Beth.
810
00:55:13,813 --> 00:55:15,857
I said,
I've got an idea, Beth.
811
00:55:17,609 --> 00:55:19,778
I think I can do something.
812
00:55:19,819 --> 00:55:22,989
If he takes money,
that's extortion.
813
00:55:23,031 --> 00:55:25,367
If we can set it up
where a wire's part of it,
814
00:55:25,408 --> 00:55:26,826
that's wire fraud.
815
00:55:26,868 --> 00:55:29,079
We could, you know, get him
on both those counts,
816
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,624
U.S. charges, and, you know,
lock this guy up.
817
00:55:32,665 --> 00:55:35,377
I called the FBI right away.
I said, let's do this.
818
00:55:35,418 --> 00:55:36,795
Can we do this?
819
00:55:39,297 --> 00:55:41,800
Joran was like,
let's meet in Aruba.
820
00:55:41,841 --> 00:55:44,302
You can bring
the first $25,000 with you,
821
00:55:44,344 --> 00:55:46,554
and I'll give you
all the information.
822
00:55:46,596 --> 00:55:48,431
Went down there, met with him.
823
00:55:48,473 --> 00:55:50,392
You could tell
all he wanted to do
824
00:55:50,433 --> 00:55:51,643
was get right to the point.
825
00:55:51,685 --> 00:55:53,353
Like, did you bring the money?
826
00:55:53,395 --> 00:55:54,979
I said, yes, I did, Joran.
827
00:55:55,021 --> 00:55:58,692
I could only bring $10,000
in cash, so we're going to--
828
00:55:58,733 --> 00:56:00,902
I'm going to give you $10,000
829
00:56:00,944 --> 00:56:04,406
and have $15,000 wired by Beth.
830
00:56:04,447 --> 00:56:07,117
We got the car
the FBI had provided me.
831
00:56:07,158 --> 00:56:09,536
It was all rigged up
with video cameras
832
00:56:09,577 --> 00:56:11,830
and audio cameras.
833
00:56:11,871 --> 00:56:16,001
He pointed to one house,
said, this is the house.
834
00:56:16,042 --> 00:56:18,169
That's where you're saying
Natalee's remains are?
835
00:56:18,211 --> 00:56:19,254
He said yes.
836
00:56:19,295 --> 00:56:21,214
Definitely.
837
00:56:21,256 --> 00:56:23,925
My father
brought me here one day
838
00:56:23,967 --> 00:56:27,804
and showed me this location.
839
00:56:27,846 --> 00:56:29,806
He told me
that he had gone home
840
00:56:29,848 --> 00:56:32,100
and told his father
what happened,
841
00:56:32,142 --> 00:56:35,353
and he had driven back
with his father
842
00:56:35,395 --> 00:56:40,025
and pointed out
where Natalee was.
843
00:56:40,066 --> 00:56:43,528
Paulus had told Joran
to wait in the car,
844
00:56:43,570 --> 00:56:47,949
and Joran understood
that his dad had gone down,
845
00:56:47,991 --> 00:56:50,326
pulled Natalee further
into the brush,
846
00:56:50,368 --> 00:56:54,789
and covered her with a couple
pieces of large cardboard
847
00:56:54,831 --> 00:56:56,458
and left her there.
848
00:56:56,499 --> 00:56:59,252
And then he said, I don't know
if my dad came back
849
00:56:59,294 --> 00:57:02,005
the next night
or two nights later,
850
00:57:02,047 --> 00:57:05,008
got her body,
and disposed of it then.
851
00:57:07,218 --> 00:57:10,305
I thought it was all bullshit
right from the start,
852
00:57:10,347 --> 00:57:12,140
'cause his dad was dead.
853
00:57:12,182 --> 00:57:15,560
Joran loves giving information
that can't be verified,
854
00:57:15,602 --> 00:57:19,105
you know, so this was just
one more, you know, spoke
855
00:57:19,147 --> 00:57:22,609
in the wheel of lies of his.
856
00:57:22,650 --> 00:57:25,653
The FBI had told me
they knew it was a hoax
857
00:57:25,695 --> 00:57:27,697
because they had
satellite photos
858
00:57:27,739 --> 00:57:29,991
of the area
where the house was,
859
00:57:30,033 --> 00:57:32,660
showing that it was
still undeveloped land
860
00:57:32,702 --> 00:57:35,080
at that point in 2005.
861
00:57:37,457 --> 00:57:39,793
That was that, and...
862
00:57:39,834 --> 00:57:42,087
I went back to the hotel.
863
00:57:42,128 --> 00:57:46,216
FBI guys were all ecstatic,
and they said, great job.
864
00:57:46,257 --> 00:57:51,096
We've got it all on videotape.
We've got it all on audiotape.
865
00:57:51,137 --> 00:57:52,639
And...
866
00:57:52,681 --> 00:57:54,432
nothing happened.
867
00:57:54,474 --> 00:57:56,768
I don't know
why they didn't pick him up.
868
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,855
It was like, guys, you got
the whole thing videotaped
869
00:58:00,897 --> 00:58:02,982
and audiotaped--
what are you doing?
870
00:58:03,024 --> 00:58:06,986
And I start getting emails
from Joran.
871
00:58:07,028 --> 00:58:09,072
You seem like a really
nice man, Mr. Kelly,
872
00:58:09,114 --> 00:58:11,032
but I'm sorry
I did this to you.
873
00:58:11,074 --> 00:58:13,827
I lied about the whole thing.
874
00:58:13,868 --> 00:58:16,663
You know, thank
you for the money.
875
00:58:16,705 --> 00:58:20,125
It's all about money.
876
00:58:20,166 --> 00:58:23,670
Now he is spending all
of his time at the casino.
877
00:58:23,712 --> 00:58:26,131
You know, he's really heavily
into gambling.
878
00:58:26,172 --> 00:58:28,717
His mood is very dark.
879
00:58:28,758 --> 00:58:30,427
Anita is very concerned,
880
00:58:30,468 --> 00:58:32,137
and she's convinced
881
00:58:32,178 --> 00:58:34,556
that it is because
he's just lost his father,
882
00:58:34,597 --> 00:58:36,182
perhaps there's some guilt.
883
00:58:36,224 --> 00:58:38,143
And she convinces him
884
00:58:38,184 --> 00:58:39,894
{\an8}that he really needs help,
885
00:58:39,936 --> 00:58:42,147
{\an8}more than she can provide
for him.
886
00:58:42,188 --> 00:58:45,942
And somehow she gets him
to agree
887
00:58:45,984 --> 00:58:48,862
to sign himself in
to a facility
888
00:58:48,903 --> 00:58:50,280
back in the Netherlands,
889
00:58:50,321 --> 00:58:53,324
where he's going
to get some help.
890
00:58:53,366 --> 00:58:56,286
Anita was completely convinced
her son was going.
891
00:58:56,327 --> 00:58:58,663
He was packed.
His bags were ready.
892
00:58:58,705 --> 00:59:02,083
And when she came
to his room...
893
00:59:02,125 --> 00:59:05,128
she found an empty bedroom...
894
00:59:05,170 --> 00:59:07,297
and his luggage was gone.
895
00:59:09,257 --> 00:59:12,385
But there was a note that
Joran left for his mother,
896
00:59:12,427 --> 00:59:15,013
explaining that he
had gone to Peru
897
00:59:15,055 --> 00:59:17,098
and that he was going
to be participating
898
00:59:17,140 --> 00:59:19,017
in a poker tournament there.
899
00:59:19,059 --> 00:59:20,602
So, essentially,
900
00:59:20,643 --> 00:59:23,480
the money that Joran
has extorted from Beth Holloway
901
00:59:23,521 --> 00:59:26,274
ends up funding
Stephany Flores's murder.
902
01:00:35,176 --> 01:00:38,596
To batter somebody
that brutally,
903
01:00:38,638 --> 01:00:42,767
{\an8}you very likely would be
in a state of true rage,
904
01:00:42,809 --> 01:00:47,647
or you would be somebody
who had a sadistic streak...
905
01:00:47,689 --> 01:00:50,442
where you found it fun
to cause people
906
01:00:50,483 --> 01:00:53,194
enormous amounts
of suffering or pain.
907
01:01:06,833 --> 01:01:09,502
The police go through
the surveillance tapes.
908
01:01:09,544 --> 01:01:13,006
What happens is,
Stephany pulls up in her car.
909
01:01:13,048 --> 01:01:15,175
{\an8}She's parked at such an angle,
910
01:01:15,216 --> 01:01:17,135
{\an8}you know, right by
the front door of the hotel.
911
01:01:17,177 --> 01:01:19,304
It's not a space
you would park in
912
01:01:19,346 --> 01:01:21,639
if you were going to stay
for a while.
913
01:01:21,681 --> 01:01:25,352
She walks in,
she looks kind of angry.
914
01:01:25,393 --> 01:01:26,644
This was not a happy visit.
915
01:01:26,686 --> 01:01:28,646
This was not a tryst
in a hotel room.
916
01:01:28,688 --> 01:01:32,484
It looked like they were going
there to pick up something.
917
01:01:32,525 --> 01:01:34,986
The next thing you see is
Joran pop out of the room
918
01:01:35,028 --> 01:01:36,488
some time later.
919
01:01:36,529 --> 01:01:38,656
He goes
to a local coffee shop.
920
01:01:38,698 --> 01:01:41,993
He picks up two cups of coffee
like he's bringing some coffee
921
01:01:42,035 --> 01:01:44,704
back to the room for his date.
922
01:01:44,746 --> 01:01:46,706
He's aware
of the cameras, too.
923
01:01:46,748 --> 01:01:50,043
You know, he looks
straight up at it.
924
01:01:50,085 --> 01:01:51,670
He was trying to establish
an alibi--
925
01:01:51,711 --> 01:01:53,797
you know, why would I bring
two cups of coffee
926
01:01:53,838 --> 01:01:55,590
if she was dead?
927
01:01:55,632 --> 01:01:59,719
And he goes back in the room,
thinks about what to do
928
01:01:59,761 --> 01:02:04,140
and, ultimately, just packs up
his stuff, gets in her car,
929
01:02:04,182 --> 01:02:07,227
and just disappears.
930
01:02:07,268 --> 01:02:10,313
And he drives
not far from the hotel,
931
01:02:10,355 --> 01:02:12,273
and he abandons the car.
932
01:02:14,818 --> 01:02:16,695
And it was a high crime area.
933
01:02:16,736 --> 01:02:18,738
He dropped the car off
in a place
934
01:02:18,780 --> 01:02:20,949
that would maybe throw
the police off the scent.
935
01:02:20,990 --> 01:02:24,202
And that bought him some time.
936
01:02:24,244 --> 01:02:26,913
{\an8}There's no panic.
There's no fear.
937
01:02:26,955 --> 01:02:31,084
{\an8}There's premeditation.
There's methodical planning.
938
01:02:31,126 --> 01:02:34,963
He was very calm, cool,
collected,
939
01:02:35,005 --> 01:02:37,924
made a plan.
940
01:02:37,966 --> 01:02:41,553
That takes a lot
of meticulousness,
941
01:02:41,594 --> 01:02:44,681
and you only get that
with experience.
942
01:03:38,234 --> 01:03:43,073
He's such an easy liar,
and he seems to lie for fun.
943
01:03:43,114 --> 01:03:45,408
And after years,
944
01:03:45,450 --> 01:03:47,285
it became like a game to him.
945
01:03:47,327 --> 01:03:49,996
{\an8}He really seemed to...
946
01:03:50,038 --> 01:03:54,042
{\an8}get off on having everybody
hang on his every word
947
01:03:54,084 --> 01:03:57,003
{\an8}and then be disappointed when
they find out it's just a lie.
948
01:03:57,045 --> 01:04:00,131
There's a thrill to the lie,
949
01:04:00,173 --> 01:04:02,550
and there's a thrill in knowing
950
01:04:02,592 --> 01:04:04,636
that you can make anyone
believe anything is true.
951
01:04:04,678 --> 01:04:07,305
This is entertainment for him.
952
01:04:07,347 --> 01:04:09,307
The victims
are inconsequential.
953
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:11,601
The larger impacts
to their family,
954
01:04:11,643 --> 01:04:14,270
society, it doesn't matter.
955
01:04:23,071 --> 01:04:24,739
Well, it's a name we'd hoped
956
01:04:24,781 --> 01:04:27,951
we'd never have to hear again--
Joran van der Sloot.
957
01:04:27,992 --> 01:04:30,120
Right now police think
Joran van der Sloot
958
01:04:30,161 --> 01:04:31,913
may be in Chile, where
they're looking for him
959
01:04:31,955 --> 01:04:35,166
as their chief suspect
in the murder of a young woman,
960
01:04:35,208 --> 01:04:38,920
a murder they think happened
five years to the day
961
01:04:38,962 --> 01:04:41,172
after Joran van der Sloot
was the last person
962
01:04:41,214 --> 01:04:43,133
to be seen
with Natalee Holloway.
963
01:04:45,552 --> 01:04:48,054
He's in another cab...
964
01:04:48,096 --> 01:04:50,682
passing through a toll booth.
965
01:04:50,724 --> 01:04:52,851
You know, curled up
on the floor of the back seat.
966
01:04:52,892 --> 01:04:56,187
The sharp-eyed person
at a toll booth looks down--
967
01:04:56,229 --> 01:04:59,107
{\an8}this is suspicious--
and calls it in.
968
01:04:59,149 --> 01:05:00,525
{\an8}And right there, it's over.
969
01:05:25,216 --> 01:05:28,219
We knew this case
was the Twilight Zone
970
01:05:28,261 --> 01:05:30,430
for so many reasons.
971
01:05:30,472 --> 01:05:32,599
It's staggering.
972
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,560
Like, another girl
on the anniversary?
973
01:05:35,602 --> 01:05:38,396
Like, on the exact same day?
974
01:05:40,065 --> 01:05:42,650
At Stephany's funeral
and burial Thursday,
975
01:05:42,692 --> 01:05:45,236
her father got down on
one knee for a farewell kiss
976
01:05:45,278 --> 01:05:47,322
to his beloved daughter.
977
01:05:51,493 --> 01:05:55,455
I sort of felt
like I had blood on my hands.
978
01:05:55,497 --> 01:05:57,415
{\an8}I started the wheels
in motion,
979
01:05:57,457 --> 01:05:59,000
{\an8}where he took the 25 grand,
980
01:05:59,042 --> 01:06:01,711
{\an8}wanted to play
in a poker tournament
981
01:06:01,753 --> 01:06:03,296
over in South America,
982
01:06:03,338 --> 01:06:05,840
and that's where he met
Stephany Flores.
983
01:06:08,593 --> 01:06:11,304
You know, I connected
a lot of dots,
984
01:06:11,346 --> 01:06:13,682
but, it was a heavy burden.
985
01:06:13,723 --> 01:06:17,227
- Joran! Joran! Joran!
- Joran!
986
01:06:17,268 --> 01:06:21,523
And it ended horribly wrong,
you know, on all fronts.
987
01:06:23,733 --> 01:06:25,694
His first statement
to the Chilean police is,
988
01:06:25,735 --> 01:06:28,988
he's been set up by corrupt
Peruvian police officers.
989
01:06:29,030 --> 01:06:30,782
There were just a couple
of rogue cops
990
01:06:30,824 --> 01:06:32,742
{\an8}that were harassing him,
following him,
991
01:06:32,784 --> 01:06:34,160
{\an8}shaking him down for money.
992
01:06:34,202 --> 01:06:36,454
{\an8}You know, these are the guys
you should be looking at.
993
01:06:36,496 --> 01:06:38,081
It's always somebody else.
994
01:06:38,123 --> 01:06:40,500
It's one of his friends.
It's his father.
995
01:06:40,542 --> 01:06:43,128
It's the cops.
996
01:06:43,169 --> 01:06:45,588
It's Joran playing the victim.
997
01:06:45,630 --> 01:06:47,924
He just seemed to have,
like, two middle fingers
998
01:06:47,966 --> 01:06:49,676
up to the world.
999
01:06:49,718 --> 01:06:52,095
Maybe once you reach
that point
1000
01:06:52,137 --> 01:06:55,306
and you know that you did
something so horrible
1001
01:06:55,348 --> 01:06:58,643
and it finally caught up
with you...
1002
01:06:58,685 --> 01:07:01,146
maybe you just
don't care anymore.
1003
01:07:03,106 --> 01:07:05,817
He wasn't talking his way
out of this case.
1004
01:07:05,859 --> 01:07:09,612
{\an8}It was clear as day that he
had murdered Stephany Flores.
1005
01:07:09,654 --> 01:07:12,198
He was out in the open now.
1006
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,452
We saw his true colors.
We saw who he was.
1007
01:07:32,052 --> 01:07:34,679
He was probably adrift
1008
01:07:34,721 --> 01:07:36,765
and wanted to tell the world,
1009
01:07:36,806 --> 01:07:40,018
you think that I'm
this terrible murderer?
1010
01:07:40,060 --> 01:07:43,897
OK, that's what I will be.
I will do this again.
1011
01:09:45,101 --> 01:09:48,313
She had caught wind
of who he was,
1012
01:09:48,355 --> 01:09:50,648
and things escalated.
1013
01:09:50,690 --> 01:09:52,567
I'm imagining she probably
just wanted to get
1014
01:09:52,609 --> 01:09:55,028
out of the room at that point.
1015
01:09:55,070 --> 01:09:58,948
And, you know, the rest is,
you know, just kind of a blur.
1016
01:09:58,990 --> 01:10:01,076
And he just went savage
on her.
1017
01:11:26,202 --> 01:11:30,665
{\an8}- He's convicted and sentenced
to 28 years in prison.
1018
01:11:30,707 --> 01:11:32,792
{\an8}They don't convict people
to life sentences
1019
01:11:32,834 --> 01:11:34,377
{\an8}like we would here.
1020
01:11:34,419 --> 01:11:38,465
{\an8}There's always room
for rehabilitation, release,
1021
01:11:38,506 --> 01:11:40,884
even for a murderer like this.
1022
01:12:07,327 --> 01:12:09,996
His new address--
a maximum-security prison,
1023
01:12:10,038 --> 01:12:12,457
home to Peru's
most notorious killers,
1024
01:12:12,499 --> 01:12:15,126
rapists, and terrorists.
1025
01:12:37,357 --> 01:12:40,652
Initially,
we thought Peruvian prison
1026
01:12:40,694 --> 01:12:42,028
has to be horrifying.
1027
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:44,030
I mean, that was
what we told ourselves--
1028
01:12:44,072 --> 01:12:46,241
like, there's no way
he'll survive.
1029
01:12:47,992 --> 01:12:50,078
Look, he's like a chameleon.
1030
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,247
You know, he's able to adjust.
1031
01:12:52,288 --> 01:12:55,000
It's a lot different than
the American prison system.
1032
01:12:55,041 --> 01:12:57,002
It's a little more porous.
1033
01:12:57,043 --> 01:12:58,795
People can come in
during the day--
1034
01:12:58,837 --> 01:13:00,672
wives, girlfriends, vendors.
1035
01:13:00,714 --> 01:13:05,260
And so that allows him access
to the outside world.
1036
01:13:05,301 --> 01:13:08,304
It's not like he looks
like he's flourishing in Peru,
1037
01:13:08,346 --> 01:13:10,348
by any means.
1038
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:13,643
{\an8}But learning that he has had
the opportunity
1039
01:13:13,685 --> 01:13:15,854
{\an8}to be married
1040
01:13:15,895 --> 01:13:20,358
is mind-blowing to me.
1041
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,903
Somehow he's been allowed to
bring a child into this world.
1042
01:14:03,234 --> 01:14:05,153
That always happens,
doesn't it?
1043
01:14:05,195 --> 01:14:08,156
{\an8}They see
this attractive guy on TV,
1044
01:14:08,198 --> 01:14:11,117
{\an8}and they get wrapped up
in the danger
1045
01:14:11,159 --> 01:14:13,661
or the, like, romance of,
1046
01:14:13,703 --> 01:14:16,664
is he an innocent victim,
or who is he really?
1047
01:14:16,706 --> 01:14:19,334
Or maybe it's, I can fix him.
1048
01:14:32,305 --> 01:14:36,685
It is disgusting that he's
been able to have a wife.
1049
01:14:36,726 --> 01:14:41,106
He can have pen pals.
He can father a child.
1050
01:14:46,277 --> 01:14:48,822
Those were all things
that Natalee Holloway
1051
01:14:48,863 --> 01:14:50,824
was never able to do.
1052
01:14:50,865 --> 01:14:52,409
It's a shame.
1053
01:15:58,975 --> 01:16:00,602
People who are psychopathic
1054
01:16:00,643 --> 01:16:04,105
{\an8}will often have multiple
romantic partners at once.
1055
01:16:04,147 --> 01:16:06,274
You do often see
what's called
1056
01:16:06,316 --> 01:16:08,443
sort of impersonal
sexual behavior.
1057
01:16:08,485 --> 01:16:10,195
So, engaging
in sexual relations
1058
01:16:10,236 --> 01:16:11,780
that don't seem
to be associated
1059
01:16:11,821 --> 01:16:13,907
with any kind
of a deep attachment.
1060
01:16:13,948 --> 01:16:15,742
You see conning
and manipulation,
1061
01:16:15,784 --> 01:16:18,244
because, again, you see
other people as instruments
1062
01:16:18,286 --> 01:16:20,038
to get what you want.
1063
01:18:01,681 --> 01:18:05,060
{\an8}He knows what his targets
want to hear,
1064
01:18:05,101 --> 01:18:07,562
{\an8}and that's all they are--
they're targets.
1065
01:18:07,604 --> 01:18:10,648
And, ultimately,
they're transactions.
1066
01:18:12,609 --> 01:18:14,903
He's getting
something out of them.
1067
01:20:31,664 --> 01:20:34,250
Even when he's in prison,
1068
01:20:34,292 --> 01:20:36,503
he's not turning
his life around
1069
01:20:36,544 --> 01:20:37,879
and telling the truth
1070
01:20:37,921 --> 01:20:40,006
and wanting to be
a good new person.
1071
01:20:40,048 --> 01:20:43,510
No, he's starting
a cocaine-trafficking ring
1072
01:20:43,551 --> 01:20:45,387
inside of the prison.
1073
01:20:45,428 --> 01:20:48,181
Why does he want to be
so dark?
1074
01:20:48,223 --> 01:20:51,559
I just don't understand why...
1075
01:20:51,601 --> 01:20:53,561
for this human being
1076
01:20:53,603 --> 01:20:56,356
with so much promise
and intelligence
1077
01:20:56,398 --> 01:20:58,233
and, like, a future
1078
01:20:58,274 --> 01:21:00,402
and a path and a good family--
1079
01:21:00,443 --> 01:21:03,071
why does he always choose
the dark side?
1080
01:21:12,205 --> 01:21:13,581
A- Nada.
1081
01:21:28,304 --> 01:21:29,639
Almost two decades
1082
01:21:29,681 --> 01:21:32,225
after Natalee Holloway's
haunting disappearance,
1083
01:21:32,267 --> 01:21:34,811
the prime suspect in the case,
Joran van der Sloot,
1084
01:21:34,853 --> 01:21:38,857
touching down tonight
in Birmingham, Alabama.
1085
01:21:38,898 --> 01:21:41,443
Joran van der Sloot
always wanted to come
1086
01:21:41,484 --> 01:21:43,278
to the United States.
1087
01:21:43,319 --> 01:21:45,989
Well, here he is.
1088
01:21:46,031 --> 01:21:48,116
Van der Sloot
was never charged
1089
01:21:48,158 --> 01:21:49,951
in Holloway's disappearance,
1090
01:21:49,993 --> 01:21:52,328
but he is accused of offering
to tell Natalee's family
1091
01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:54,831
how she died
and where she was buried
1092
01:21:54,873 --> 01:21:58,001
in exchange
for a quarter million dollars.
1093
01:21:58,043 --> 01:22:02,797
The only negotiating tool
that Joran van der Sloot has
1094
01:22:02,839 --> 01:22:06,092
{\an8}is the truth about what
happened to Natalee Holloway.
1095
01:22:06,134 --> 01:22:09,012
Once he gives that information
up, he's worthless.
1096
01:22:09,054 --> 01:22:10,889
He's meaningless.
1097
01:22:10,930 --> 01:22:13,558
He has nothing left.
1098
01:22:15,143 --> 01:22:17,479
Today Natalee's mother
issuing a statement,
1099
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,815
saying she's hopeful that some
small semblance of justice
1100
01:22:20,857 --> 01:22:23,818
will finally be realized.
1101
01:22:23,860 --> 01:22:25,820
The extradition
of John van der Sloot
1102
01:22:25,862 --> 01:22:27,781
back to the United States
1103
01:22:27,822 --> 01:22:29,824
is something
that Beth's been working on
1104
01:22:29,866 --> 01:22:32,494
since Natalee disappeared.
1105
01:22:32,535 --> 01:22:34,662
It's her second-best shot.
1106
01:22:34,704 --> 01:22:36,664
Her first-best shot
would be the recovery
1107
01:22:36,706 --> 01:22:39,125
of her daughter's body.
1108
01:22:39,167 --> 01:22:43,338
Her next-best chance
are these extortion charges.
1109
01:22:43,380 --> 01:22:45,131
Long time coming.
1110
01:22:45,173 --> 01:22:50,178
{\an8}All this time,
every corner, twist, turn,
1111
01:22:50,220 --> 01:22:52,138
{\an8}it's like, here we are.
1112
01:22:52,180 --> 01:22:55,183
18 years later, my mom
is standing in the courthouse
1113
01:22:55,225 --> 01:22:59,938
within feet of the guy
that killed my sister.
1114
01:23:02,315 --> 01:23:05,443
We were all
on the edge of our seats.
1115
01:23:05,485 --> 01:23:08,488
I just wanted him to say
that, yes...
1116
01:23:08,530 --> 01:23:10,407
I killed Natalee.
1117
01:23:27,674 --> 01:23:29,634
- How does it feel?
- It feels good.
1118
01:23:29,676 --> 01:23:30,719
It's a nice day.
1119
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:32,429
It's a good day for judgment.
1120
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:35,181
Hoping to get answers today?
1121
01:23:35,223 --> 01:23:37,475
{\an8}Joran van der Sloot
has never been charged
1122
01:23:37,517 --> 01:23:39,310
{\an8}in the death
of Natalee Holloway.
1123
01:23:39,352 --> 01:23:41,479
{\an8}However, the Holloway family
attorney says
1124
01:23:41,521 --> 01:23:43,189
{\an8}that he is expected today,
Savannah,
1125
01:23:43,231 --> 01:23:46,067
to accept a plea deal related
to wire fraud
1126
01:23:46,109 --> 01:23:48,778
and extortion charges, assuming
he tells federal authorities
1127
01:23:48,820 --> 01:23:50,363
how Natalee Holloway died
1128
01:23:50,405 --> 01:23:53,116
and the manner in which
her body was disposed of.
1129
01:23:58,163 --> 01:24:02,334
I feel like the whole world
was in that courtroom with us.
1130
01:24:02,375 --> 01:24:04,711
I mean, I could just feel it.
1131
01:24:04,753 --> 01:24:06,504
It's like, here we are.
1132
01:24:06,546 --> 01:24:09,299
This is the big moment
1133
01:24:09,341 --> 01:24:11,843
where we're finally getting
1134
01:24:11,885 --> 01:24:16,097
{\an8}some semblance
of justice for Natalee.
1135
01:24:16,139 --> 01:24:19,392
I just wanted him to say that,
yes, I killed Natalee,
1136
01:24:19,434 --> 01:24:21,019
and that's what we got.
1137
01:24:24,356 --> 01:24:26,983
When Beth stood up
and read her statement
1138
01:24:27,025 --> 01:24:32,197
{\an8}and read parts
of what he had done...
1139
01:24:32,238 --> 01:24:36,117
it felt like the wind
had been knocked out of me.
1140
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:37,786
It was intense,
1141
01:24:37,827 --> 01:24:41,206
and you could just, like, feel
that energy.
1142
01:24:41,247 --> 01:24:43,917
And I would say
the most difficult part
1143
01:24:43,958 --> 01:24:48,797
was how violent the description
of her death was.
1144
01:24:54,678 --> 01:24:57,597
{\an8}- Deepak drops me off
at a place
1145
01:24:57,639 --> 01:24:59,599
{\an8}known as the fishermen's huts.
1146
01:25:01,601 --> 01:25:06,356
I'm actually with Natalee
walking along the beach.
1147
01:25:06,398 --> 01:25:08,692
We lay down together
in the sand,
1148
01:25:08,733 --> 01:25:12,862
and we start
kissing each other.
1149
01:25:12,904 --> 01:25:15,573
And I start
feeling her up again,
1150
01:25:15,615 --> 01:25:18,827
and she tells me no.
1151
01:25:18,868 --> 01:25:23,164
I insist. I keep feeling
her up either way.
1152
01:25:23,206 --> 01:25:26,710
And she knees me
in the crotch.
1153
01:25:28,169 --> 01:25:31,673
And I kick her extremely hard
in the face.
1154
01:25:34,175 --> 01:25:37,012
She's laying down unconscious,
1155
01:25:37,053 --> 01:25:41,433
possibly even dead,
but definitely unconscious.
1156
01:25:43,893 --> 01:25:46,104
And right next to her,
1157
01:25:46,146 --> 01:25:49,441
there's a huge cinder block
1158
01:25:49,482 --> 01:25:51,860
laying on the beach.
1159
01:25:51,901 --> 01:25:54,154
I take this, and...
1160
01:25:54,195 --> 01:25:57,240
I smash her head in
with it completely.
1161
01:26:00,368 --> 01:26:04,330
Yeah, her face basically,
you know, collapses in.
1162
01:26:04,372 --> 01:26:07,917
I'm scared.
I don't know what to do.
1163
01:26:07,959 --> 01:26:10,086
So I grab her,
1164
01:26:10,128 --> 01:26:13,923
and I push her off...
1165
01:26:13,965 --> 01:26:15,717
into the sea.
1166
01:26:35,028 --> 01:26:38,615
Today I can tell you
with certainty
1167
01:26:38,656 --> 01:26:40,575
that after 18 years,
1168
01:26:40,617 --> 01:26:44,204
Natalee's case is solved.
1169
01:26:44,245 --> 01:26:47,499
As far as I'm concerned,
it's over.
1170
01:26:47,540 --> 01:26:49,167
It's over.
1171
01:26:49,209 --> 01:26:51,503
Joran van der Sloot
is no longer the suspect
1172
01:26:51,544 --> 01:26:52,921
in my daughter's murder.
1173
01:26:52,962 --> 01:26:55,048
He is the killer.
1174
01:26:55,090 --> 01:26:56,925
That was all verified
1175
01:26:56,966 --> 01:27:00,845
by a comprehensive
and conclusive polygraph test.
1176
01:27:00,887 --> 01:27:02,681
We finally--
1177
01:27:02,722 --> 01:27:06,226
today we got justice
for Natalee.
1178
01:27:06,267 --> 01:27:08,812
Thank you. Thank you.
- Thank you, everybody.
1179
01:27:12,399 --> 01:27:16,277
- Beth Holloway was satisfied.
- Mm-hmm.
1180
01:27:16,319 --> 01:27:17,445
For so many years,
1181
01:27:17,487 --> 01:27:19,489
she's gotten
all these different stories.
1182
01:27:19,531 --> 01:27:22,033
But listening to her,
you got the sense
1183
01:27:22,075 --> 01:27:25,036
that she believed
what he said
1184
01:27:25,078 --> 01:27:27,539
about the fate
of her daughter.
1185
01:27:29,791 --> 01:27:33,211
Hearing him in my hometown
1186
01:27:33,253 --> 01:27:35,797
saying he was Natalee's killer,
1187
01:27:35,839 --> 01:27:38,466
I'm really trying
to lean into...
1188
01:27:38,508 --> 01:27:42,303
the acceptance of,
that's our level of closure.
1189
01:27:42,345 --> 01:27:44,681
But a sociopath
will gain pleasure
1190
01:27:44,723 --> 01:27:46,641
from someone else's pain,
1191
01:27:46,683 --> 01:27:47,934
so it doesn't surprise me
1192
01:27:47,976 --> 01:27:51,688
that his story
was incredibly gruesome
1193
01:27:51,730 --> 01:27:54,190
and specific.
1194
01:27:54,232 --> 01:27:56,484
One thing that
psychopaths can do is,
1195
01:27:56,526 --> 01:27:58,903
they can add details
and embellishments
1196
01:27:58,945 --> 01:28:03,408
to trigger an emotion
from people.
1197
01:28:03,450 --> 01:28:07,037
I think the cinder-block idea
isn't true necessarily
1198
01:28:07,078 --> 01:28:08,872
{\an8}because that would be evidence
you could find.
1199
01:28:08,913 --> 01:28:10,790
{\an8}You'd find a missing
cinder block
1200
01:28:10,832 --> 01:28:12,709
{\an8}if he tried to get rid of it
somewhere.
1201
01:28:14,711 --> 01:28:17,255
{\an8}I think there will always
be lingering questions
1202
01:28:17,297 --> 01:28:18,882
{\an8}and people will have
their doubts
1203
01:28:18,923 --> 01:28:20,300
{\an8}about Joran's confession.
1204
01:28:22,635 --> 01:28:24,846
Anything released
along those beaches
1205
01:28:24,888 --> 01:28:28,433
would end up being pulled back
into shore no matter what.
1206
01:28:28,475 --> 01:28:31,227
That's the way
the current runs.
1207
01:28:31,269 --> 01:28:34,397
It'd just have slowly drifted
right back onto the sand
1208
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,608
and gone nowhere.
1209
01:28:36,649 --> 01:28:38,651
That's not what happened.
1210
01:28:38,693 --> 01:28:41,446
That's not
how she was disposed of.
1211
01:28:41,488 --> 01:28:43,656
I'm convinced of that.
1212
01:28:43,698 --> 01:28:45,325
It just feels
like common sense
1213
01:28:45,367 --> 01:28:48,995
that there had to have been
some type of extra...
1214
01:28:49,037 --> 01:28:51,039
outside help
1215
01:28:51,081 --> 01:28:54,459
to ultimately make sure
that this--
1216
01:28:54,501 --> 01:28:57,003
Natalee goes away
and is never found.
1217
01:28:57,045 --> 01:29:01,966
And that's where I believe
his dad played the part.
1218
01:29:02,008 --> 01:29:04,052
The judge
sentenced van der Sloot
1219
01:29:04,094 --> 01:29:06,721
to 20 years behind bars
to run concurrently
1220
01:29:06,763 --> 01:29:09,265
with the sentence that he is
already serving right now
1221
01:29:09,307 --> 01:29:10,934
in Peru.
1222
01:29:10,975 --> 01:29:14,688
When he finishes his murder
sentence for Stephany Flores,
1223
01:29:14,729 --> 01:29:18,650
he'll just be a free man,
unless he gets out early.
1224
01:29:18,692 --> 01:29:20,652
Then he would have to come
to the United States
1225
01:29:20,694 --> 01:29:21,903
and serve jail .
1226
01:29:24,906 --> 01:29:27,534
The concurrent sentence
that Joran was given,
1227
01:29:27,575 --> 01:29:30,578
he'd be getting out
at 57 years old.
1228
01:29:30,620 --> 01:29:32,914
He's going to have a full life
ahead of him still.
1229
01:29:32,956 --> 01:29:34,582
He might even have
grandchildren.
1230
01:29:34,624 --> 01:29:38,461
But Beth went along.
She wanted the answers.
1231
01:29:42,841 --> 01:29:45,218
"A" camera mark.
1232
01:29:45,260 --> 01:29:47,512
The way the murder
was described,
1233
01:29:47,554 --> 01:29:49,556
Natalee never knew
what happened,
1234
01:29:49,597 --> 01:29:52,392
you know, never knew
what hit her.
1235
01:29:52,434 --> 01:29:56,187
It was immediate and painless
for her the way it sounded,
1236
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:59,482
so maybe there was
a comfort in that.
1237
01:30:01,818 --> 01:30:04,279
You said something to me
that it really struck me.
1238
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,406
You said that this is
better than closure.
1239
01:30:06,448 --> 01:30:07,449
It is.
1240
01:30:07,490 --> 01:30:09,284
Why is this
better than closure?
1241
01:30:09,325 --> 01:30:11,202
You know, for me, closure
is not what I got.
1242
01:30:11,244 --> 01:30:13,413
I got, it's over, it's solved.
1243
01:30:13,455 --> 01:30:15,665
Joran van der Sloot
is the murderer.
1244
01:30:15,707 --> 01:30:18,501
The not knowing is more
torturous than the knowing.
1245
01:30:18,543 --> 01:30:20,920
The not knowing
is the never-ending nightmare,
1246
01:30:20,962 --> 01:30:23,214
and that's worse.
- But now you do know.
1247
01:30:23,256 --> 01:30:24,674
And the knowing is horrific
1248
01:30:24,716 --> 01:30:26,509
in terms of the details
of what he did.
1249
01:30:26,551 --> 01:30:27,927
It is. It is.
1250
01:30:27,969 --> 01:30:31,264
It is, and it's shocking to us
to think that somebody
1251
01:30:31,306 --> 01:30:33,099
is capable of doing that.
1252
01:30:33,141 --> 01:30:35,143
Do you think 20 years
is enough time?
1253
01:30:35,185 --> 01:30:37,645
I don't think
any victim's family
1254
01:30:37,687 --> 01:30:41,358
is going to think ever
an amount of time is enough.
1255
01:30:41,399 --> 01:30:45,820
So here's what I have to take
comfort in--is what I needed,
1256
01:30:45,862 --> 01:30:48,573
and I needed the answers as
to what happened to Natalee.
1257
01:30:48,615 --> 01:30:53,119
So I feel like now
I can kind of, like...
1258
01:30:53,161 --> 01:30:57,248
Oh.
1259
01:30:57,290 --> 01:31:00,710
Oh.
Now I can focus on that.
1260
01:31:00,752 --> 01:31:02,587
Yeah.
1261
01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:04,089
Yeah.
1262
01:31:04,130 --> 01:31:07,258
Are you
properly buckled, honey?
1263
01:31:07,300 --> 01:31:10,178
Oh, you're not!
1264
01:31:10,220 --> 01:31:13,181
Got that one.
1265
01:31:13,223 --> 01:31:16,101
When you look
at the collateral damage
1266
01:31:16,142 --> 01:31:18,937
on the Holloway family,
1267
01:31:18,978 --> 01:31:21,815
his family,
the island of Aruba,
1268
01:31:21,856 --> 01:31:23,608
the Flores family,
1269
01:31:23,650 --> 01:31:27,946
it's unbelievable
that one individual
1270
01:31:27,987 --> 01:31:32,117
can create such chaos
and havoc.
1271
01:31:58,018 --> 01:31:59,310
All I can think about
1272
01:31:59,352 --> 01:32:01,563
is where Natalee
would have fit in.
1273
01:32:01,604 --> 01:32:06,026
We've all been bridesmaids
in everybody's wedding.
1274
01:32:06,067 --> 01:32:08,820
We all take our kids
to the same parks
1275
01:32:08,862 --> 01:32:10,780
that we grew up going to,
1276
01:32:10,822 --> 01:32:15,326
and she was senselessly
never given that opportunity.
1277
01:32:15,368 --> 01:32:18,621
It would have been her
with us.
1278
01:32:18,663 --> 01:32:21,249
And, also, I wonder
what kind of doctor
1279
01:32:21,291 --> 01:32:22,667
she would have been
1280
01:32:22,709 --> 01:32:24,919
so I could call and be like,
my kid's ear hurts.
1281
01:32:24,961 --> 01:32:26,296
You know, what do I do?
1282
01:32:26,338 --> 01:32:29,632
I mean, she was
a dependable, amazing human.
1283
01:32:31,718 --> 01:32:33,845
I really wish
now that I'm older,
1284
01:32:33,887 --> 01:32:36,306
I could go back
and get to know who she was
1285
01:32:36,348 --> 01:32:37,891
those last few months,
1286
01:32:37,932 --> 01:32:42,437
because, man, you know,
I'll never get that back.
1287
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:46,024
And I don't want people
to ever forget this.
1288
01:32:46,066 --> 01:32:50,195
I hope he's miserable.
It's what he deserves.
1289
01:32:50,236 --> 01:32:53,490
I definitely want
to talk to him.
1290
01:32:53,531 --> 01:32:56,826
And I definitely want
to whoop his ass.
1291
01:32:56,868 --> 01:33:00,246
Which one's going
to come first, I don't know.
1292
01:33:00,288 --> 01:33:02,374
I know there's
more to the story,
1293
01:33:02,415 --> 01:33:04,918
and there always will be.
1294
01:33:04,959 --> 01:33:08,046
And we got to keep digging.
1295
01:33:08,088 --> 01:33:10,382
Otherwise, it's all in vain.
1296
01:33:10,423 --> 01:33:13,760
I owe it to my family
1297
01:33:13,802 --> 01:33:15,345
and to Natalee.
1298
01:33:15,387 --> 01:33:17,472
I'm not going to stop.