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[disorienting music builds slowly]
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[cell phone vibrating]
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[music trails off]
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- [man grunts]
- [vibrating stops]
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[groans] Oh, it's Friday night.
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[woman on phone]
It's Saturday morning, honey.
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Mm?
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[grunting softly]
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[breathes deeply]
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Is it him?
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[disjointed music plays]
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[traffic noises overlap]
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[trunk opens]
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[siren wailing in distance]
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News desk in London says
he flew in from Heathrow last night.
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My guy at the British consulate
said he's not staying there, so...
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[Jae] Those two on the door,
they're Epstein's.
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Those three guys,
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I've seen them before.
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Royal protection officers.
If they're here--
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Jae, the door.
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[woman gasps] Guards.
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[Jae] It's like she wasn't even there.
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{\an8}[camera clicks]
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{\an8}She must have been coming for years.
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[woman] Christ.
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She can't be more than 20 now.
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Yeah.
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[unsettling music builds]
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[faint indistinct chatter]
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Here we go.
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{\an8}- [camera clicking]
- It's Epstein.
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{\an8}- [woman] That's him. That's Andrew.
- [Jae] Come on, turn around.
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- What?
- [woman groans]
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[sighs]
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- [grunts]
- Go, go, go!
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[clears throat]
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[ambient bustling]
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What a lovely day.
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Oh, here we are.
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Okay.
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[camera clicking]
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[sighs]
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Uh... okay. Okay.
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- This isn't gonna work.
- [woman] What isn't?
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Change of plan.
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[music intensifies]
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[woman] Jae, talk to me.
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I'm improvising.
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Bear with me.
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Oh God.
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[breathing heavily]
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- Jae?
- Not now.
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{\an8}[camera clicking]
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{\an8}[rapid camera clicks]
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[disjointed music builds]
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Jae, are you there?
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[exhales, sighs]
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I'm here. [panting]
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["Don't Rain on my Parade"
by Barbara Streisand playing]
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♪ I gotta fly once ♪
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♪ I gotta try once ♪
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♪ Only can die once ♪
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♪ Right, sir? ♪
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♪ Ooh, life is juicy ♪
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♪ Juicy, and you see ♪
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{\an8}♪ I gotta have my bite, sir ♪
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{\an8}♪ Don't tell me not to fly
I simply got to ♪
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♪ If someone takes a spill, it's me... ♪
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[woman] Welcome, everybody.
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{\an8}I want to thank you all
for taking the time out of your lunch.
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All of us at the BBC face
some incredible challenges.
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♪ Life's candy
And the sun's a ball of butter... ♪
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Morning, George.
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♪ Who told you
You're allowed to rain on my parade? ♪
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The world is changing.
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We need to change with it.
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Every year the BBC faces more
and more competition in the news space,
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and we must fight to remain relevant.
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♪ Eye on the target, and wham! ♪
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{\an8}♪ One shot, one gunshot... ♪
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{\an8}- Has someone got my Nando's?
- Oh, yeah.
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{\an8}♪ Hey, world ♪
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Bloody dog!
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♪ Here I am ♪
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{\an8}♪ I'll march my band out ♪
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♪ I'll beat my drum ♪
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Have we still got jobs, then?
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[men chuckling]
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Moody, stop begging! Come on.
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{\an8}Come here. Moody!
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[newswoman] Never in my career
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{\an8}have I felt BBC News
is under as much threat as it is today.
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It is our duty to respond.
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So it is with great sadness
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that I have to announce... some job losses.
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We currently estimate these job cuts
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to be in the region of 450.
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Here we go. Here we fucking go.
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I know it is an enormous number.
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{\an8}How to improve your news-gathering.
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Sack all the journalists.
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[elevator dings]
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These cuts will be across
all news departments.
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And across all shows.
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Thank you very much.
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{\an8}- Okay. Uh, focus.
- [song ends]
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{\an8}We've heard what she had to say,
and unless I missed it,
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she didn't say anything
about not doing our show.
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- Well, that was bleak.
- Manage to catch it? Did you?
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Nine hours and 13 minutes from now,
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we're on air. With what?
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[woman] Follow-up on British arms
sold to the Saudis being used in Yemen.
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Yeah, we've covered that.
What's the hook? Why today?
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[man] Brexit. Fifteen rounds with Farage.
One-on-one with Emily.
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What would be our way in with Farage?
Something new.
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- [man] Frictionless borders.
- Gets my juices going every time.
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- I can get us Lupita for tonight.
- The actress? Has she got a film out?
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No. She wants to talk colorism.
She's got a lot to say.
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She's great. It's an exclusive.
I think we should open with it.
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Perfect for the second half.
Can't open with her.
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Agreed. They don't decide
our running order.
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We opened with Emma Thompson on Weinstein.
They saw that. That's why they want us.
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Weinstein was a news story that day.
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Lupita may well be great,
but it isn't news.
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Second half.
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So, Farage? Sam? Can you book him?
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If you want Farage, Freddy,
then it's simple.
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You call up his PR.
It's really not rocket science.
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He'll be straight over.
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[Freddy] That's your job.
You're our booker.
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And you do know we've just announced
a few hundred redundancies.
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Uh, okay, let's, uh--
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The way I keep my job... Freddy, is by
booking the people we can't just call up.
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The ones other people can't just get.
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The job where you waltz in late,
then spend the morning
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working out where to go
for lunch with Piers Morgan?
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Last in, first out.
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- You were here at 6:00. On the pips. Yeah?
- What?
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You know what that does? That puts us
16 hours behind the news cycle,
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while I go out and find stories
people actually care about.
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[pensive music plays]
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No, we love Lupita,
and we desperately want her.
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We'd like to close with her
and go huge on socials.
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You know,
that's where this really cuts through.
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Okay, that's great.
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Great!
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Thanks, you're a superstar. Okay, bye.
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[clears throat]
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[applause]
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[clears throat]
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It's not about me.
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[light scattered laughter]
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This is about
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putting you wonderful young entrepreneurs
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together with you
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eh... slightly more mature investors.
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[light laughter]
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So that together with Pitch@Palace,
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we can make magic happen.
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Now, I know you're all desperate
to get talking to them,
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and they're desperate
to listen to your ideas
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and make them into a reality.
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So the best thing for me to do
is to get out of the way
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and let you crack on.
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Before I do...
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[light laughter]
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Don't tell my mum.
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[laughter]
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[guests clapping]
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Maybe for the best no one came.
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[Andrew] Ah, there we are.
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All right, now say Pitch@Palace.
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[all] Pitch@Palace!
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Pitch@Palace!
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Uh... I'd like it to be fair.
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I mean, you don't mention Epstein
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every time there's a story
about Bill Clinton, do you?
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[man] Bill Clinton
isn't the Queen's favorite son.
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[sighs] And if you had been here,
then you would have seen for yourself
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the... the wonderful job that...
that he does with Pitch,
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encouraging young entrepreneurs.
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How young? These entrepreneurs?
How young is young?
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Piss off, Nick.
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How do they get away with this?
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That is why we have hired Jason.
To manage this.
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Time.
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- It takes time.
- Time? That photograph is nine years old.
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- Sir, just--
- No.
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- No quick fix to a story like this.
- So you people keep telling me.
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[Jason] And you are 100% right,
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Your Royal Highness.
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About what?
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You've been dealing with
this Epstein mess for nearly a decade.
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You haven't seen him
in that time, correct?
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Uh... No. No, um...
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No, absolutely. It was, um...
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Uh... December 2010.
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Then my instinct is...
you haven't had the right strategy.
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Epstein, and the whole...
Playboy Prince thing,
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should have been put to bed
a long time ago.
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And I can make it go away.
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But you have to let me control it.
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Amanda?
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Well, uh, Jason knows the press.
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That's why we hired him.
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Uh...
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I think he can help us.
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I've, uh, put together
a list of friendly journalists.
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That's a... contradiction in terms, innit?
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Invite them here, one by one, for tea.
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They feel special.
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You get to know each other,
all off the record,
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and slowly they realize
you're a decent human being,
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who is, by the way,
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prepared to acknowledge
errors of judgment.
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[grunts]
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Slowly.
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It's always slowly. Always time.
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I'm 60 next year.
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And my mother, well...
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none of us are getting any younger.
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Jason's list of journalists.
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[inhales deeply]
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Mm...
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What?
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[sighs] Well, this...
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This list. This... strategy.
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We've been down this road before.
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["Don't Rain On My Parade"
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- Hello?
- [Amanda] Hello, Sam.
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It's Amanda Thirsk
from the Duke of York's office.
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Hi.
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But we don't do red lines.
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No questions off the table.
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- Maybe just think on it.
- I'll get back to you.
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Great. Speak soon.
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- [woman] Anything good?
- Not sure. The Palace.
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- Right, what have we got?
- You know what I think?
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For intelligent analysis,
we're the only place in town.
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Brexit again.
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Sam, didn't you have something?
The Palace?
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Uh, not for tonight. But we have Lupita.
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Great. Which bit of the Palace?
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- Prince Andrew's private secretary.
- Okay, what do they want?
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Pitch@Palace. It's like The Apprentice,
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only you get Prince Andrew
instead of Donald Trump.
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- It's not on television--
- Not Newsnight, is it?
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Do you know Andrew's PS?
256
00:17:56,250 --> 00:17:58,541
- No.
- Did she reach out to you first?
257
00:18:00,291 --> 00:18:01,125
[Sam] Yeah.
258
00:18:03,291 --> 00:18:04,166
Yeah.
259
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,041
Okay, everyone, keep looking,
and let's talk again in an hour.
260
00:18:08,541 --> 00:18:11,041
[pensive music plays]
261
00:18:35,291 --> 00:18:36,666
[Sam] I need a connect.
262
00:18:36,666 --> 00:18:40,666
Uh, Jae Donnelly. A pap.
Based in New York. Do you know him?
263
00:18:43,666 --> 00:18:44,583
Great.
264
00:18:45,333 --> 00:18:47,125
God... For Christ's sake.
265
00:18:47,833 --> 00:18:51,166
Farage isn't available.
We need somebody else.
266
00:18:51,166 --> 00:18:53,875
Maybe even he's bored with it by now.
Give me a minute.
267
00:18:53,875 --> 00:18:55,500
- Who's on the phone?
- Photographer.
268
00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:57,791
Working for who? Paparazzi?
269
00:18:57,791 --> 00:19:00,958
All your favorites, Freddy.
The Sun. The Mail.
270
00:19:00,958 --> 00:19:02,125
For Christ's sake.
271
00:19:02,125 --> 00:19:04,291
[Sam] You know what?
If we had half the instincts
272
00:19:04,291 --> 00:19:07,666
and a quarter of the contacts
for the average tabloid pap,
273
00:19:07,666 --> 00:19:09,708
maybe we wouldn't be scrabbling around
274
00:19:09,708 --> 00:19:12,541
for new ways to have
the same argument every night.
275
00:19:12,541 --> 00:19:15,125
So just, you know, leave it with me, yeah?
276
00:19:15,125 --> 00:19:16,416
Coming right up.
277
00:19:16,416 --> 00:19:19,958
Someone... Someone
for Emily to really tell off.
278
00:19:19,958 --> 00:19:23,166
- All the dinner parties in North London...
- Sam.
279
00:19:23,166 --> 00:19:26,333
- ...say, "Did you see Newsnight last night?
- Sam.
280
00:19:26,333 --> 00:19:31,458
"Wasn't it amazing how Emily Maitlis said
all the great things we all agree with?"
281
00:19:31,458 --> 00:19:36,333
We're mistaking talking to ourselves
for news, Freddy, and it's killing us.
282
00:19:36,333 --> 00:19:37,625
[inhales deeply]
283
00:19:43,041 --> 00:19:44,541
- Stewart.
- Mm?
284
00:19:44,541 --> 00:19:46,250
I'm heading down to the studio.
285
00:19:48,041 --> 00:19:50,500
[pensive music plays]
286
00:19:52,375 --> 00:19:54,416
- Come! Moody!
- [dog whimpers]
287
00:19:57,041 --> 00:20:01,125
I behave like that... insulting people
in front of the entire office,
288
00:20:02,416 --> 00:20:04,750
I mean, am I still here?
Do I still have a job?
289
00:20:16,416 --> 00:20:18,416
We have an issue
290
00:20:19,416 --> 00:20:20,416
with Sam.
291
00:20:21,041 --> 00:20:22,208
We? Who's we?
292
00:20:22,208 --> 00:20:24,750
[scoffs] Well, I do,
293
00:20:24,750 --> 00:20:27,416
Freddy, and now possibly Emily.
294
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,458
I'm not a snob, but she's very Daily Mail.
295
00:20:30,458 --> 00:20:33,166
I'm not saying
we can't cope with different opinions,
296
00:20:33,166 --> 00:20:34,208
but she is...
297
00:20:35,041 --> 00:20:36,958
she's too defensive.
298
00:20:45,125 --> 00:20:46,708
[woman] Put the lights up a touch.
299
00:20:47,708 --> 00:20:49,000
It's too cold.
300
00:20:50,625 --> 00:20:52,333
I didn't say "turn back down."
301
00:20:52,333 --> 00:20:55,416
[tech] Sure, but this is
the correct set level for broadcast.
302
00:20:55,416 --> 00:20:57,458
I'm aware of that. Back up.
303
00:20:58,041 --> 00:20:59,375
Thanks for coming, Sam.
304
00:21:00,041 --> 00:21:01,875
That level but warmer.
305
00:21:01,875 --> 00:21:03,416
[tech] All right, okay.
306
00:21:03,416 --> 00:21:05,541
I'll just have to switch
some things around.
307
00:21:07,125 --> 00:21:09,375
You understand the pressure we're under?
308
00:21:09,375 --> 00:21:12,041
All of us.
I've got enough fights on my hands
309
00:21:12,041 --> 00:21:13,750
without having them in my own team.
310
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:15,166
Maybe you should speak with--
311
00:21:15,166 --> 00:21:18,958
I am speaking to them, and I'm saying
to them the same thing I'm saying to you.
312
00:21:20,291 --> 00:21:22,375
- Help me out.
- What about something like that?
313
00:21:22,375 --> 00:21:24,458
Warmer, much warmer.
314
00:21:25,916 --> 00:21:28,416
I'm trying to make changes.
I want a broader audience.
315
00:21:28,416 --> 00:21:32,000
That's how we survive.
I've no interest in echo chambers.
316
00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:34,416
I want different voices. I want tension.
317
00:21:34,416 --> 00:21:35,583
And passion.
318
00:21:41,875 --> 00:21:43,958
- Look, Emily, I'm sorry.
- No, you're not.
319
00:21:45,416 --> 00:21:46,666
You meant every word.
320
00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:48,541
Not every word.
321
00:21:49,166 --> 00:21:51,583
Don't think I don't know
what people think about me.
322
00:21:51,583 --> 00:21:53,958
The point is,
if we're at each other's throats,
323
00:21:53,958 --> 00:21:55,833
then none of this is going to work.
324
00:21:56,875 --> 00:21:58,333
[tech] So what are we saying?
325
00:21:58,958 --> 00:22:00,166
No, warmer.
326
00:22:00,833 --> 00:22:02,083
Okay, stop there.
327
00:22:02,833 --> 00:22:04,500
- I like it.
- [tech] Great.
328
00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:07,333
Okay, understood. Anything else?
329
00:22:08,375 --> 00:22:10,166
- I--
- [Emily] Three women and a whippet.
330
00:22:10,666 --> 00:22:13,625
You wouldn't have seen that
in a BBC studio when I started.
331
00:22:13,625 --> 00:22:15,166
[woman laughs]
332
00:22:26,666 --> 00:22:29,375
- [girl] Oh my God, n--
- Oh my God, that is--
333
00:22:29,375 --> 00:22:31,541
- No, no, no, no, no!
- No, no, no, no!
334
00:22:32,583 --> 00:22:34,375
- [exclaiming]
- I told you!
335
00:22:34,375 --> 00:22:36,458
[overlapping excited chatter]
336
00:22:36,458 --> 00:22:37,958
[musical ringtone playing]
337
00:22:37,958 --> 00:22:38,916
Oh.
338
00:22:41,833 --> 00:22:45,750
Sorry about the noise. I'm working.
I might have to go without saying goodbye.
339
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:48,375
Thanks for calling me back. Anything good?
340
00:22:49,416 --> 00:22:52,208
A Kardashian launching
a new pair of knickers.
341
00:22:53,208 --> 00:22:54,208
Gotta pay the bills.
342
00:22:54,208 --> 00:22:56,208
- [chuckles]
- All right, check your messages.
343
00:22:57,708 --> 00:23:00,833
Some photos of girls
I've taken over the years at Epstein's.
344
00:23:01,541 --> 00:23:04,333
They are in there about an hour each.
345
00:23:04,333 --> 00:23:05,708
They look very young.
346
00:23:05,708 --> 00:23:07,250
[girls laughing]
347
00:23:15,833 --> 00:23:18,500
[Jae] They come from
an apartment block on 66th Street
348
00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:21,000
owned by Epstein's brother,
rented by Jeffrey.
349
00:23:22,166 --> 00:23:25,791
It's a warehouse of girls.
350
00:23:26,833 --> 00:23:28,541
He calls them his "nubiles."
351
00:23:28,541 --> 00:23:29,458
[scoffs]
352
00:23:29,958 --> 00:23:31,250
This is still happening?
353
00:23:31,250 --> 00:23:32,416
It's industrial, Sam.
354
00:23:33,958 --> 00:23:35,708
I've been in New York for years.
355
00:23:35,708 --> 00:23:39,166
All I have to do is spend
24 hours outside of that place,
356
00:23:39,166 --> 00:23:40,750
and you see them come and go.
357
00:23:40,750 --> 00:23:42,458
How do we not know about this?
358
00:23:42,458 --> 00:23:44,791
Because it's young girls
no one cares about
359
00:23:44,791 --> 00:23:46,333
going in and out of a house.
360
00:23:47,375 --> 00:23:48,375
And he's rich.
361
00:23:49,541 --> 00:23:53,375
You know, he went to jail. Now he's out.
Frankly, hardly anyone gives a shit.
362
00:23:53,875 --> 00:23:56,541
And Andrew, is he in there often?
363
00:23:56,541 --> 00:23:58,791
- Oh, back in the day, sure.
- Any proof?
364
00:23:58,791 --> 00:24:01,083
Of Andrew actually at Epstein's?
365
00:24:01,083 --> 00:24:02,833
Other than the park picture?
366
00:24:02,833 --> 00:24:04,041
Uh... no.
367
00:24:05,125 --> 00:24:06,083
No, they're careful.
368
00:24:07,375 --> 00:24:09,083
But I can promise you he was there.
369
00:24:09,583 --> 00:24:12,250
- You know about Ghislaine Maxwell, right?
- [clamoring]
370
00:24:12,250 --> 00:24:14,166
- Andrew's friend?
- No.
371
00:24:14,166 --> 00:24:17,666
Well, you should. I've gotta go.
Ghislaine. Look her up. I'll be in touch.
372
00:24:17,666 --> 00:24:18,625
Thanks.
373
00:24:25,333 --> 00:24:26,875
- [girl 1] Guys.
- [girl 2] What?
374
00:24:26,875 --> 00:24:29,291
- [girl 1] Look at this.
- [girl 3] Let me see.
375
00:24:30,375 --> 00:24:32,375
[all exclaiming]
376
00:24:40,416 --> 00:24:42,416
[pensive music fades slowly]
377
00:25:01,708 --> 00:25:03,208
[woman] Sam. Leave him a minute.
378
00:25:03,208 --> 00:25:05,166
[mouthing]
379
00:25:06,083 --> 00:25:07,791
- A what?
- [softly] Writing a poem.
380
00:25:07,791 --> 00:25:09,083
Lucas?
381
00:25:10,750 --> 00:25:12,750
[horns honking]
382
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000
[woman speaking indistinctly on TV]
383
00:25:24,250 --> 00:25:25,083
So who is she?
384
00:25:26,958 --> 00:25:28,333
I'm not in her class.
385
00:25:30,541 --> 00:25:35,083
Listen, I... I know I'm your mum,
and I'm biased and everything,
386
00:25:35,083 --> 00:25:37,958
but you're very handsome,
so you shouldn't--
387
00:25:37,958 --> 00:25:40,791
No. Oh my. I mean my actual class.
388
00:25:40,791 --> 00:25:42,875
- She's in the year above.
- Oh.
389
00:25:42,875 --> 00:25:44,875
Well, I like your ambition. [laughs]
390
00:25:44,875 --> 00:25:47,500
- [man] Chili sauce, yeah? The usual?
- Yes, please.
391
00:25:48,125 --> 00:25:50,333
You want a tip? How to talk to girls?
392
00:25:50,333 --> 00:25:52,291
- Do I have a choice?
- Not really, no.
393
00:25:52,291 --> 00:25:54,833
You listen. Most people want to talk.
394
00:25:54,833 --> 00:25:57,583
But most people are terrible at listening.
395
00:25:57,583 --> 00:25:58,583
Mm.
396
00:25:58,583 --> 00:26:01,041
[news jingle playing]
397
00:26:01,041 --> 00:26:05,666
But you promised the British people
there wouldn't be an issue.
398
00:26:05,666 --> 00:26:07,916
{\an8}And at the time, I followed that through--
399
00:26:07,916 --> 00:26:10,291
{\an8}- Were you wrong at the time?
- I don't accept that.
400
00:26:10,291 --> 00:26:13,958
Well, you were either wrong
or making a promise you couldn't keep.
401
00:26:13,958 --> 00:26:14,875
Which is it?
402
00:26:15,916 --> 00:26:19,708
You described yourself
as a man of principle.
403
00:26:20,208 --> 00:26:25,000
You also guaranteed voters
that border checks between the UK and EU
404
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,791
would be unaffected by Brex--
405
00:26:26,791 --> 00:26:27,916
[TV mutes]
406
00:26:27,916 --> 00:26:30,583
[pensive music playing]
407
00:27:07,541 --> 00:27:09,750
[Jae] Hi, this is Jae Donnelly.
Leave a message.
408
00:27:10,458 --> 00:27:13,041
Hi, Jae. It's Sam.
409
00:27:13,041 --> 00:27:16,541
Uh... this photo of... Andrew
410
00:27:16,541 --> 00:27:18,958
with Ghislaine Maxwell in London
411
00:27:18,958 --> 00:27:22,375
and a girl, 17 at the time...
412
00:27:22,875 --> 00:27:26,875
Uh, 2001. Virginia Roberts.
Do you know anything about it?
413
00:27:26,875 --> 00:27:30,541
Um... Give me a call
when you get this. Thanks.
414
00:27:35,333 --> 00:27:36,500
[phone buzzes]
415
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,125
[alert whooshes]
416
00:28:00,125 --> 00:28:01,541
Bloody hell.
417
00:28:02,041 --> 00:28:03,333
[woman] I want a selfie.
418
00:28:03,333 --> 00:28:04,791
[chuckles] Okay. Okay.
419
00:28:04,791 --> 00:28:05,916
And a spoon.
420
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:07,666
[chuckles]
421
00:28:07,666 --> 00:28:09,083
Okay, bye.
422
00:28:09,083 --> 00:28:11,083
- [driver] Don't tell me.
- What?
423
00:28:11,958 --> 00:28:13,208
Is it Phil the Greek?
424
00:28:14,458 --> 00:28:15,500
Jugface?
425
00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:16,625
I can't say.
426
00:28:16,625 --> 00:28:19,083
It can't be Her Majesty.
Her flag's not up.
427
00:28:21,125 --> 00:28:24,041
Well, just as long as
it's not that Randy fucking Andy.
428
00:28:24,041 --> 00:28:25,375
[chuckles]
429
00:28:30,375 --> 00:28:31,208
Here we go.
430
00:28:31,916 --> 00:28:33,541
[pensive music playing]
431
00:28:33,541 --> 00:28:34,666
Whew!
432
00:28:35,583 --> 00:28:36,416
Thanks.
433
00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:38,333
[sighs]
434
00:28:40,458 --> 00:28:42,000
- Hello. Morning.
- Morning.
435
00:28:42,791 --> 00:28:43,625
Yeah.
436
00:28:44,708 --> 00:28:46,041
- Okay.
- Thank you.
437
00:28:48,208 --> 00:28:50,291
Follow the path.
They'll let you in at the top.
438
00:28:50,291 --> 00:28:51,666
Okay, great. Thanks.
439
00:28:51,666 --> 00:28:53,750
[pensive music builds slowly]
440
00:29:12,875 --> 00:29:14,125
[man] Good afternoon.
441
00:29:44,708 --> 00:29:46,791
[Amanda] Earl Grey or chamomile?
442
00:29:46,791 --> 00:29:48,125
[chuckles, sighs]
443
00:29:52,708 --> 00:29:54,333
[Amanda] We lose a fair few.
444
00:29:55,416 --> 00:29:56,750
- Teaspoons.
- [both chuckle]
445
00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:58,041
They just seem to
446
00:29:59,333 --> 00:30:00,250
go.
447
00:30:02,083 --> 00:30:04,125
It's seen as a good thing.
448
00:30:04,125 --> 00:30:07,583
- It means everybody wants a part of us.
- Us?
449
00:30:08,166 --> 00:30:11,583
[inhales] Well,
I've been here for a long time.
450
00:30:11,583 --> 00:30:16,500
It's like family. The day we don't need
to budget for extra teaspoons...
451
00:30:17,333 --> 00:30:20,041
And... would he be
prepared to talk about that?
452
00:30:21,208 --> 00:30:24,291
The theft of teaspoons
from Buckingham Palace?
453
00:30:24,291 --> 00:30:28,375
The future of the monarchy.
What it will mean when the Queen dies.
454
00:30:29,333 --> 00:30:31,166
[quietly] We don't talk about that.
455
00:30:31,166 --> 00:30:34,000
Too painful? For a favorite son?
456
00:30:35,791 --> 00:30:37,708
[inhales sharply, exhales]
457
00:30:37,708 --> 00:30:40,000
One thing about Her Majesty,
458
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,500
she is a very good judge of character.
459
00:30:45,375 --> 00:30:46,291
Mm.
460
00:30:47,916 --> 00:30:49,791
So... what's she like?
461
00:30:50,541 --> 00:30:51,708
- Who?
- Emily.
462
00:30:51,708 --> 00:30:54,875
Oh, well, she runs... [chuckles]
463
00:30:54,875 --> 00:30:57,458
She swims, she interviews.
464
00:30:57,458 --> 00:31:00,625
Nobody's ever seen her eat.
She's Superwoman.
465
00:31:01,583 --> 00:31:04,125
- And the Bic.
- Harry Potter has his wand.
466
00:31:04,125 --> 00:31:06,458
Emily Maitlis has her Bic.
467
00:31:06,458 --> 00:31:07,750
[Amanda chuckles softly]
468
00:31:08,708 --> 00:31:11,875
And Andrew? How's his judge of character?
469
00:31:14,791 --> 00:31:18,625
He's a... a very loyal friend.
470
00:31:19,583 --> 00:31:22,000
Too loyal for his own good sometimes.
471
00:31:23,416 --> 00:31:24,583
Ghislaine Maxwell.
472
00:31:24,583 --> 00:31:25,833
[elevator dings]
473
00:31:26,583 --> 00:31:28,750
- She was a good friend, yes.
- Mm-hmm.
474
00:31:31,833 --> 00:31:33,166
Straight to the point.
475
00:31:33,166 --> 00:31:34,791
There was some small talk,
476
00:31:35,458 --> 00:31:39,583
but we're both busy women,
and we both know why we're here, Amanda.
477
00:31:44,208 --> 00:31:46,333
[whispers] Do you want
to get a real drink?
478
00:31:46,333 --> 00:31:47,333
[chuckles]
479
00:31:47,333 --> 00:31:49,416
- [elevator dings]
- [pensive music plays]
480
00:31:52,666 --> 00:31:53,541
Amanda?
481
00:31:58,833 --> 00:31:59,666
Amanda?
482
00:32:00,250 --> 00:32:01,583
Uh... she's out.
483
00:32:02,083 --> 00:32:03,791
With Sam McAlister.
484
00:32:06,333 --> 00:32:07,166
Who?
485
00:32:10,291 --> 00:32:12,833
What do you think you know about me, Sam?
486
00:32:13,416 --> 00:32:14,708
[inhales deeply]
487
00:32:15,375 --> 00:32:16,833
I know you come from banking.
488
00:32:17,666 --> 00:32:18,708
A single mum.
489
00:32:20,083 --> 00:32:23,833
I know that you've been
doing this job for seven years,
490
00:32:23,833 --> 00:32:26,416
and you have a problem that won't go away.
491
00:32:27,125 --> 00:32:28,791
And I know that you're here
492
00:32:29,375 --> 00:32:31,791
and Jason Stein isn't.
493
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:33,833
So?
494
00:32:33,833 --> 00:32:37,208
So maybe it's you
who wants to do things differently.
495
00:32:38,458 --> 00:32:40,833
Or we're just looking at options.
496
00:32:41,625 --> 00:32:44,000
- Or that.
- [both laugh]
497
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,125
- [phone buzzing]
- [Amanda] Oh...
498
00:32:46,125 --> 00:32:47,583
Uh...
499
00:32:47,583 --> 00:32:49,500
Sorry, it's Andrew. He needs me.
500
00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:52,833
Um, I'm only trying
to be honest with you, Amanda.
501
00:32:52,833 --> 00:32:53,875
I always am.
502
00:32:53,875 --> 00:32:57,083
And you know it can't just be Pitch.
503
00:32:57,083 --> 00:33:02,000
And like I said before,
you wouldn't be here talking to Newsnight
504
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,916
if you didn't already know that.
505
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:07,541
[inhales sharply] But I'm not talking
to Newsnight, Sam.
506
00:33:08,208 --> 00:33:09,375
I'm talking to you.
507
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:11,916
And there is a red line.
508
00:33:12,958 --> 00:33:14,500
[melancholy music playing]
509
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:15,916
Thank you for meeting.
510
00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:25,750
[Andrew] You'll like this too.
This is moments
511
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:29,625
after I've just narrowly been missed
by inches by an Exocet missile.
512
00:33:29,625 --> 00:33:31,000
And as soon as it came, I'd...
513
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,125
Out of the way, and I'd come down.
I'd do that two times a day.
514
00:33:34,125 --> 00:33:36,416
[woman] Must have been terrifying moments.
515
00:33:36,416 --> 00:33:37,791
Oh, some of the worst.
516
00:33:38,958 --> 00:33:40,208
And some of the best.
517
00:33:41,375 --> 00:33:43,125
Those... Those... Those men,
518
00:33:43,125 --> 00:33:45,625
they... they-they really knew me, you know?
519
00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:48,208
Well, there's no hiding in war.
520
00:33:48,708 --> 00:33:50,500
From your shipmates. Um...
521
00:33:51,708 --> 00:33:52,708
From yourself.
522
00:33:53,250 --> 00:33:54,541
Do you ever miss it?
523
00:33:54,541 --> 00:33:55,583
What, war?
524
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:58,666
The Argies were
a lot less trouble than your lot.
525
00:33:58,666 --> 00:33:59,583
[laughter]
526
00:33:59,583 --> 00:34:02,375
Come on. Let's go for it.
Let's do the tour.
527
00:34:04,958 --> 00:34:07,375
[Jason] Newsnight? Newsnight?!
528
00:34:08,041 --> 00:34:09,291
You saw that.
529
00:34:09,291 --> 00:34:12,791
Can't... Can't you see
how good he is with people?
530
00:34:12,791 --> 00:34:15,208
How they like him
when they spend time with him?
531
00:34:15,208 --> 00:34:18,041
- That's the plan, Amanda.
- Look, it's called charm.
532
00:34:18,041 --> 00:34:20,958
Jason, you have to be
in the room with it to feel it.
533
00:34:21,875 --> 00:34:22,708
Television?
534
00:34:22,708 --> 00:34:24,833
Look, it was just a meeting.
535
00:34:24,833 --> 00:34:27,291
A meeting you shouldn't have taken.
536
00:34:27,291 --> 00:34:28,750
Especially without me.
537
00:34:29,666 --> 00:34:30,708
This is my job.
538
00:34:33,833 --> 00:34:35,375
No, not now, Freddy.
539
00:34:35,375 --> 00:34:39,333
- Did the liquid lunch go on the BBC tab?
- [sighs] I was so close.
540
00:34:39,333 --> 00:34:44,125
Really? Think you have special powers over
a big beast like Buckingham Palace Comms?
541
00:34:44,125 --> 00:34:46,833
It was just the two of us. Nobody else.
542
00:34:46,833 --> 00:34:49,375
- And we were so close.
- To what?
543
00:34:49,375 --> 00:34:53,000
An interview.
This Epstein story isn't going away.
544
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,375
Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's girlfriend,
is one of Andrew's oldest friends.
545
00:34:57,375 --> 00:35:00,041
Then they're not gonna
talk to us about it, are they?
546
00:35:00,041 --> 00:35:02,625
Sam, it's celebrity fluff, not Newsnight.
547
00:35:02,625 --> 00:35:05,541
[Sam] It's not fluff.
It's exactly what we should be doing.
548
00:35:05,541 --> 00:35:07,875
I'm sorry, but we don't have time
for you to spend
549
00:35:07,875 --> 00:35:11,666
a whole day chasing a story that
we're never gonna get. Not anymore.
550
00:35:12,708 --> 00:35:16,000
We're meant to be a team.
Why do you think you're so special?
551
00:35:19,666 --> 00:35:20,833
This is the work.
552
00:35:21,333 --> 00:35:25,208
All right? Today was the work because
this story is only going to get bigger.
553
00:35:25,208 --> 00:35:28,500
And when it does, we don't wanna be
the first people making the call.
554
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:30,833
We wanna be the first people they call.
And if I--
555
00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:37,458
If I can't do my job
the way it needs to be done,
556
00:35:38,875 --> 00:35:40,791
then I don't think I can do this anymore.
557
00:35:49,958 --> 00:35:51,666
[energetic music playing]
558
00:36:01,208 --> 00:36:02,541
Oh, Sammy.
559
00:36:03,958 --> 00:36:05,958
[breathes deeply]
560
00:36:11,375 --> 00:36:13,375
[pensive music playing]
561
00:36:36,291 --> 00:36:39,041
[automated voice]
Please leave a message after the tone.
562
00:36:40,875 --> 00:36:42,916
Hi, Esme. It's Sam.
563
00:36:42,916 --> 00:36:44,041
Um...
564
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,125
I was just calling...
565
00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:49,500
Uh, could you...
566
00:36:51,166 --> 00:36:55,500
Could you call me back when you get this?
It's important. Thanks, bye.
567
00:36:56,416 --> 00:36:57,291
You all right?
568
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:05,291
D'you know, I spend half my time
569
00:37:05,291 --> 00:37:08,250
just absolutely terrified
of getting sacked,
570
00:37:08,250 --> 00:37:10,750
and the rest of it
wishing they'd get it over with.
571
00:37:11,791 --> 00:37:13,666
Why don't they see me as one of them?
572
00:37:14,833 --> 00:37:18,541
- Maybe there's somewhere easier.
- I don't want it to be easy, Mum. I just...
573
00:37:18,541 --> 00:37:20,625
[footsteps approaching]
574
00:37:21,416 --> 00:37:23,291
I just want it to matter.
575
00:37:23,291 --> 00:37:24,416
[door shuts]
576
00:37:24,416 --> 00:37:26,458
[inhales] Lucas!
577
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,000
- Mmm... Night-night.
- Night-night. Night-night. [kisses]
578
00:37:31,208 --> 00:37:32,583
- Night, you.
- Night.
579
00:37:33,083 --> 00:37:33,958
[kisses]
580
00:37:34,541 --> 00:37:35,416
Hello.
581
00:37:35,416 --> 00:37:38,125
I spoke to her. Freya. That's her name.
582
00:37:38,125 --> 00:37:41,458
Yeah. And what did she say?
What did you say?
583
00:37:41,458 --> 00:37:43,166
- Hello.
- [chuckles]
584
00:37:43,166 --> 00:37:44,208
What did she say?
585
00:37:44,208 --> 00:37:47,500
Well, I thought maybe she hadn't heard me.
But she did. And--
586
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:50,958
- [musical ringtone playing]
- Yeah. Oh, one minute, darling. Wait.
587
00:37:50,958 --> 00:37:52,208
One second. Hang on.
588
00:37:54,875 --> 00:37:55,708
Jae?
589
00:37:55,708 --> 00:37:57,083
How was the Palace?
590
00:37:57,083 --> 00:37:59,291
I couldn't make it work.
Epstein's a no-go.
591
00:37:59,291 --> 00:38:00,541
Well, not anymore.
592
00:38:01,125 --> 00:38:04,458
- What do you mean?
- I'm at Teterboro. A private airfield.
593
00:38:04,458 --> 00:38:07,833
Our friend Jeffrey's plane
is due to land in the next hour.
594
00:38:08,666 --> 00:38:10,125
And the FBI are waiting.
595
00:38:10,791 --> 00:38:12,666
- Mum! Can you...
- [car alarm chirps]
596
00:38:13,666 --> 00:38:16,125
Can you stay one more hour with Lucas?
That all right?
597
00:38:16,125 --> 00:38:18,875
- Yeah, of course.
- I'll be back before he goes to bed.
598
00:38:19,375 --> 00:38:21,083
[Sam's mum] Take your time. See you later.
599
00:38:27,125 --> 00:38:29,125
[musical ringtone playing]
600
00:38:35,083 --> 00:38:35,916
Hello?
601
00:38:36,916 --> 00:38:38,041
You called me.
602
00:38:38,041 --> 00:38:39,666
You said it was important.
603
00:38:41,083 --> 00:38:44,541
Jeffrey Epstein is being arrested tonight.
Sex trafficking.
604
00:38:46,166 --> 00:38:47,708
Esme? Are you there?
605
00:38:47,708 --> 00:38:49,291
So it's a news story now.
606
00:38:49,791 --> 00:38:52,166
Right, let's start pushing the Palace.
607
00:38:57,083 --> 00:38:57,958
Thanks.
608
00:38:57,958 --> 00:39:00,041
[energetic music playing]
609
00:39:04,125 --> 00:39:05,166
Whew!
610
00:39:16,041 --> 00:39:17,083
All right.
611
00:39:17,083 --> 00:39:18,583
[door buzzes]
612
00:39:22,583 --> 00:39:24,458
Everything's changed.
613
00:39:25,041 --> 00:39:27,791
Any moment now,
you are going to get a phone call.
614
00:39:27,791 --> 00:39:29,208
After that, a hundred more.
615
00:39:29,208 --> 00:39:32,458
We have a few hours,
at best, before the tsunami hits.
616
00:39:32,458 --> 00:39:35,333
- I thought we could use it, both of us.
- What has changed?
617
00:39:35,333 --> 00:39:38,250
The FBI are raiding Jeffrey Epstein's home
any moment now.
618
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,916
This red line of yours
isn't going to hold, Amanda.
619
00:39:42,916 --> 00:39:46,708
You can't go "no comment"
on being friends with a pedophile
620
00:39:46,708 --> 00:39:49,208
and expect everyone to love you,
whoever you are.
621
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:53,875
- How do I know I can trust you?
- You don't.
622
00:39:54,375 --> 00:39:57,458
And you don't have to
because I can give you an hour.
623
00:39:58,583 --> 00:40:01,416
Yeah? And then it's up to him. Not you.
624
00:40:01,416 --> 00:40:03,208
Not me. Him.
625
00:40:07,791 --> 00:40:09,000
[exhales]
626
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,666
An hour of television
can change everything.
627
00:40:15,583 --> 00:40:16,625
It's like magic.
628
00:40:19,208 --> 00:40:23,375
[newswoman] US financier Jeffrey Epstein
has been arrested today
629
00:40:23,375 --> 00:40:25,958
on federal sex trafficking charges.
630
00:40:26,541 --> 00:40:31,666
The disgraced billionaire has been accused
of trafficking dozens of underage girls.
631
00:40:32,291 --> 00:40:35,333
He was previously convicted in 2008
632
00:40:35,333 --> 00:40:38,958
after pleading guilty
to soliciting a minor for prostitution.
633
00:40:40,708 --> 00:40:41,916
How many times?
634
00:40:41,916 --> 00:40:44,541
...will no doubt focus
on Mr. Epstein's friendship...
635
00:40:44,541 --> 00:40:46,125
How many times?
636
00:40:46,125 --> 00:40:48,875
...the Duke of York,
who previously claimed to have cut...
637
00:40:48,875 --> 00:40:49,791
I'm sorry.
638
00:40:49,791 --> 00:40:51,875
...all ties with Epstein in 2010.
639
00:40:55,875 --> 00:40:56,875
[sighs]
640
00:40:56,875 --> 00:41:00,166
Where does he go?
Simple question, where does he go?
641
00:41:01,625 --> 00:41:02,625
[scoffs]
642
00:41:04,583 --> 00:41:05,500
A clue.
643
00:41:07,916 --> 00:41:09,000
He's a marsupial.
644
00:41:12,041 --> 00:41:14,333
Roo. As in Kanga.
645
00:41:16,750 --> 00:41:19,250
Put them together. What do you get?
646
00:41:22,125 --> 00:41:24,208
- Rookanga.
- Oh, go away.
647
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:27,541
Go away!
648
00:41:29,166 --> 00:41:31,375
[tense music playing]
649
00:41:37,541 --> 00:41:39,541
[indistinct shouting intensifies]
650
00:41:41,708 --> 00:41:46,083
They have acknowledged the duke's
friendship with Mr. Epstein in the past.
651
00:41:46,083 --> 00:41:47,166
They state that...
652
00:41:47,166 --> 00:41:50,291
[Sam] If the prime minister needs
to get this message across to voters,
653
00:41:50,291 --> 00:41:53,541
you're going to need to send us
someone people have actually heard of,
654
00:41:53,541 --> 00:41:57,958
who can form sentences using
more than just single-syllable... words...
655
00:41:57,958 --> 00:41:59,541
...now has the very latest news.
656
00:41:59,541 --> 00:42:02,208
The investigation
surrounding Jeffrey Epstein's arrest
657
00:42:02,208 --> 00:42:04,708
{\an8}three weeks ago for child sex offenses
658
00:42:04,708 --> 00:42:09,291
{\an8}has today widened to include his friend
Prince Andrew, the Duke of York,
659
00:42:09,291 --> 00:42:13,541
as previously suppressed documents
from a case in 2015 come to light.
660
00:42:15,333 --> 00:42:19,416
Virginia Giuffre,
17 at the time of the allegations,
661
00:42:19,416 --> 00:42:23,041
claims in newly released documents
that she had sex with the Duke of York
662
00:42:23,041 --> 00:42:24,791
on three separate occasions.
663
00:42:24,791 --> 00:42:28,250
Twice in London, and once
in Mr. Epstein's home in New York.
664
00:42:29,791 --> 00:42:32,666
[female reporter]
While Buckingham Palace continue to deny
665
00:42:32,666 --> 00:42:35,916
{\an8}these latest allegations
against the Duke of York,
666
00:42:35,916 --> 00:42:40,083
{\an8}Virginia Giuffre told reporters
outside a court in Manhattan...
667
00:42:40,083 --> 00:42:41,000
[scoffs]
668
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,125
It's not true.
669
00:42:42,833 --> 00:42:44,750
I mean, none of it is true.
670
00:42:44,750 --> 00:42:47,375
- ...the deepening crisis surrounding Andrew...
- [scoffs]
671
00:42:52,708 --> 00:42:55,000
The morning I went away
to boarding school...
672
00:42:57,625 --> 00:42:58,958
Mummy combed my hair.
673
00:43:03,166 --> 00:43:05,916
It was one of those tortoiseshell combs.
Remember those?
674
00:43:08,958 --> 00:43:11,666
I can feel it now,
scraping across my head.
675
00:43:15,083 --> 00:43:16,666
It hurt, but I... [sighs]
676
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:21,250
But I didn't want it to stop.
677
00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:29,625
So Jason says... n-nothing changes.
678
00:43:29,625 --> 00:43:31,708
We... hold our nerve.
679
00:43:34,541 --> 00:43:35,958
Is that what you think?
680
00:43:38,791 --> 00:43:40,375
Let's see how it plays out.
681
00:43:46,416 --> 00:43:47,583
[exhales sharply]
682
00:43:56,625 --> 00:43:59,750
I'm supposed to be talking to Mummy
about my 60th birthday.
683
00:44:03,625 --> 00:44:04,833
She's got big plans.
684
00:44:04,833 --> 00:44:06,916
[tense warbling music builds slowly]
685
00:44:26,125 --> 00:44:28,458
[anchor 1] Mr. Epstein,
arrested just over a month ago,
686
00:44:28,458 --> 00:44:29,916
was found dead this morning
687
00:44:29,916 --> 00:44:31,916
in his cell at the Metropolitan...
688
00:44:31,916 --> 00:44:34,833
[anchor 2] He once counted among
his friends Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew...
689
00:44:34,833 --> 00:44:37,041
[anchor 3] He was in cardiac arrest
and pronounced dead...
690
00:44:37,041 --> 00:44:39,666
[anchor 4] ...charged on trafficking
dozens of girls for sex...
691
00:44:39,666 --> 00:44:42,541
- [anchor 5] ...six underage victims...
- [anchor 6] ...involving underage girls...
692
00:44:42,541 --> 00:44:45,208
[anchor 7] ...including Donald Trump,
liked beautiful women...
693
00:44:45,208 --> 00:44:47,833
[anchor 8] ...categorically denied
by the royal family.
694
00:44:47,833 --> 00:44:52,458
[Esme] All across the world, every paper,
every show on every news channel,
695
00:44:52,458 --> 00:44:54,875
this is the story. The only story.
696
00:44:54,875 --> 00:44:56,125
- Morning.
- Morning.
697
00:44:56,125 --> 00:44:57,791
Sam, I want it for us.
698
00:44:58,791 --> 00:44:59,875
For Newsnight.
699
00:44:59,875 --> 00:45:02,583
You got your foot in the door
before anyone else.
700
00:45:04,750 --> 00:45:06,375
[phone buzzing]
701
00:45:09,583 --> 00:45:11,958
[Sam] Amanda. Hi, it's Sam McAlister.
702
00:45:12,583 --> 00:45:13,625
Please call me.
703
00:45:14,916 --> 00:45:16,958
When you're ready to talk, we're here.
704
00:45:25,375 --> 00:45:26,541
[Amanda sighs]
705
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:43,000
Her Majesty combing your hair
on your last morning at home...
706
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:46,833
Yes?
707
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:53,000
[Amanda] You remembering it
and talking about it...
708
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:56,333
Yes?
709
00:45:58,041 --> 00:46:00,041
[Amanda]
I think there's a reason for that.
710
00:46:03,625 --> 00:46:05,625
I think you want your future back.
711
00:46:07,833 --> 00:46:08,708
We both do.
712
00:46:13,416 --> 00:46:14,416
Let me help you.
713
00:46:17,166 --> 00:46:20,458
[man on TV] ...relationship
with Epstein will persist.
714
00:46:21,041 --> 00:46:26,625
Now, of course, the duke, the Palace
are desperate to move on from this issue,
715
00:46:26,625 --> 00:46:28,333
but with today's news,
716
00:46:28,333 --> 00:46:32,500
the prospect of that
seems further away than ever.
717
00:46:33,375 --> 00:46:35,916
No commitments, no promises.
718
00:46:35,916 --> 00:46:38,166
- [Esme] But?
- They've agreed to meet.
719
00:46:39,625 --> 00:46:43,375
Right. This stays in this room,
just the four of us.
720
00:46:43,375 --> 00:46:46,541
If it leaks that we're even meeting,
they could get spooked.
721
00:46:46,541 --> 00:46:49,333
Sam, whatever you need, it's yours.
722
00:46:49,333 --> 00:46:52,500
Actually, there was one thing.
I think it will help a lot.
723
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:53,416
[Esme] Name it.
724
00:46:54,041 --> 00:46:55,208
Emily.
725
00:46:55,208 --> 00:46:57,166
[upbeat music plays]
726
00:47:03,666 --> 00:47:06,500
I've never been
smuggled into a palace before.
727
00:47:12,666 --> 00:47:14,666
[overlapping chatter]
728
00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:17,166
[Stewart] Keep it light.
729
00:47:17,875 --> 00:47:19,791
- [Sam] Mm.
- We don't scare him off.
730
00:47:20,958 --> 00:47:22,125
We, uh... we play nice.
731
00:47:23,291 --> 00:47:24,125
Be respectful.
732
00:47:25,375 --> 00:47:26,916
Relax, I've got this.
733
00:47:28,125 --> 00:47:30,416
How difficult can it be
talking to the Queen's son
734
00:47:30,416 --> 00:47:33,000
about his friendship
with a convicted sex offender?
735
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,083
[sighs]
736
00:47:34,083 --> 00:47:35,083
Good morning.
737
00:47:35,708 --> 00:47:36,833
[Andrew] Hello, everyone.
738
00:47:37,833 --> 00:47:40,250
I hope you don't mind,
I brought someone along.
739
00:47:40,750 --> 00:47:42,916
- Hello.
- You know my daughter Beatrice.
740
00:47:43,833 --> 00:47:44,666
Hello.
741
00:47:46,583 --> 00:47:50,125
[Emily] I can't tell you
what the questions will be
742
00:47:50,125 --> 00:47:53,125
because I don't know myself yet.
743
00:47:54,250 --> 00:47:55,916
But when I do know...
744
00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:58,583
I still won't tell you.
745
00:47:58,583 --> 00:47:59,791
[light chuckling]
746
00:48:02,583 --> 00:48:04,791
But... they will be fair.
747
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,500
And no "gotchas," I promise.
748
00:48:11,041 --> 00:48:12,000
"Will be"?
749
00:48:13,958 --> 00:48:16,666
"Would be," I think you mean.
750
00:48:16,666 --> 00:48:18,583
Were we to agree to do this.
751
00:48:19,208 --> 00:48:20,541
And Pitch@Palace?
752
00:48:22,166 --> 00:48:24,875
We'll discuss that, of course.
753
00:48:25,583 --> 00:48:29,416
But... you know as well as I do,
754
00:48:29,416 --> 00:48:31,083
that's not why we're here.
755
00:48:33,250 --> 00:48:34,083
Epstein.
756
00:48:36,291 --> 00:48:37,875
This is about honesty.
757
00:48:39,458 --> 00:48:40,458
On both sides.
758
00:48:47,625 --> 00:48:51,333
If I do an interview, it will only be one.
759
00:48:52,208 --> 00:48:54,125
Uh, the question is, why you?
760
00:48:57,125 --> 00:49:00,625
- [Emily] Stewart?
- Well, um, Newsnight is forensic.
761
00:49:01,416 --> 00:49:04,375
Um, it's tough, but never sensational.
And so is Emily.
762
00:49:04,958 --> 00:49:07,041
- And she's a woman.
- And she's a woman.
763
00:49:07,875 --> 00:49:09,083
And she's here.
764
00:49:09,083 --> 00:49:10,583
[light chuckling]
765
00:49:12,791 --> 00:49:14,375
Um... [sighs deeply]
766
00:49:15,833 --> 00:49:19,708
Look, in my position,
767
00:49:21,250 --> 00:49:24,416
with everything that's been, um... said,
768
00:49:24,416 --> 00:49:27,125
and with the world as it is now, I...
769
00:49:28,416 --> 00:49:31,958
It's hard to imagine how
I can turn it around. Frankly. I mean...
770
00:49:31,958 --> 00:49:36,125
I... I have a lot of people telling me
it's a mistake even being in this room.
771
00:49:36,958 --> 00:49:38,583
[Sam] And yet here you are.
772
00:49:39,666 --> 00:49:41,416
And I can promise you one thing.
773
00:49:41,416 --> 00:49:44,833
You can't turn it around
by staying silent.
774
00:49:46,750 --> 00:49:49,208
You know how people see you, don't you?
775
00:49:52,208 --> 00:49:55,208
Why don't you... spell it out?
776
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,125
Randy Andy.
777
00:50:04,625 --> 00:50:06,291
Air Miles Andy.
778
00:50:06,291 --> 00:50:08,833
This is sex, and girls,
779
00:50:08,833 --> 00:50:12,500
and planes and private islands and money.
780
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:15,666
And, with respect,
the public see these stories,
781
00:50:15,666 --> 00:50:18,000
and they think, "Yep, I can believe that."
782
00:50:19,666 --> 00:50:22,333
This isn't bad for your brand.
783
00:50:23,291 --> 00:50:25,750
This is your brand.
784
00:50:30,666 --> 00:50:31,708
"With respect"?
785
00:50:36,083 --> 00:50:38,166
[laughing]
786
00:50:38,166 --> 00:50:39,125
Well...
787
00:50:39,625 --> 00:50:41,791
Sort of got a point. [laughs]
788
00:50:41,791 --> 00:50:43,125
[Sam] Listen, I get it.
789
00:50:43,125 --> 00:50:47,750
"Never complain, never explain."
But I'm afraid those days are over.
790
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:50,375
Yes, everyone has a voice now.
791
00:50:50,375 --> 00:50:52,458
Social media. Facebook.
792
00:50:52,458 --> 00:50:54,750
Twitter. Everyone's having their say,
793
00:50:55,625 --> 00:50:57,291
and what they're saying about you
794
00:50:58,208 --> 00:51:03,166
is a lot... stronger
than anything I just said.
795
00:51:06,166 --> 00:51:09,833
- Have you seen Twitter?
- No, I don't, uh, pay attention to that.
796
00:51:09,833 --> 00:51:10,916
[Beatrice] I do.
797
00:51:12,208 --> 00:51:13,958
A lot worse than what she said.
798
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,125
[pensive music builds slowly]
799
00:51:18,125 --> 00:51:20,708
So I'm just saying that's the story,
800
00:51:21,625 --> 00:51:23,208
and it doesn't change
801
00:51:23,208 --> 00:51:25,166
unless you change it,
802
00:51:25,166 --> 00:51:27,541
unless you tell us a different story.
803
00:51:30,666 --> 00:51:32,958
Your story.
804
00:51:33,958 --> 00:51:35,166
In your voice.
805
00:51:44,833 --> 00:51:45,750
[Emily] Sam's right.
806
00:51:47,625 --> 00:51:48,458
I mean,
807
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:52,208
I might not have said it
quite so bluntly, but...
808
00:51:54,958 --> 00:51:56,291
[Andrew] Well... [sighs]
809
00:51:56,291 --> 00:52:00,250
I don't understand why everyone's obsessed
with my friendship with Jeffrey Epstein.
810
00:52:00,750 --> 00:52:02,583
I knew Jimmy Savile so much better.
811
00:52:03,166 --> 00:52:05,625
[laughs] Um...
812
00:52:06,458 --> 00:52:08,750
Thank you very much.
Very nice to meet you.
813
00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:13,333
Um, should we pop up and say hello
to Mummy before the Commonwealth banquet?
814
00:52:13,833 --> 00:52:14,875
Never ends, does it?
815
00:52:14,875 --> 00:52:17,583
Um, Amanda will be in touch,
one way or another.
816
00:52:21,458 --> 00:52:24,333
- [Emily] Her mummy or his mummy?
- [Sam] Fergie's not here.
817
00:52:24,333 --> 00:52:25,333
She's abroad.
818
00:52:26,583 --> 00:52:29,208
- So his mummy.
- Okay, wow. Bloody hell.
819
00:52:30,416 --> 00:52:31,666
Mummy might block it.
820
00:52:32,291 --> 00:52:33,125
Yeah.
821
00:52:34,125 --> 00:52:35,208
Christ, I'm tired.
822
00:52:35,708 --> 00:52:37,500
Pretty punchy in there, Sammy.
823
00:52:38,166 --> 00:52:39,125
Nice work.
824
00:52:41,666 --> 00:52:43,041
[Jason] Conditions, Amanda?
825
00:52:44,333 --> 00:52:46,375
You... You discussed conditions.
826
00:52:48,333 --> 00:52:51,333
I... I didn't agree to anything.
827
00:52:51,333 --> 00:52:53,625
It... It's not like that.
828
00:52:53,625 --> 00:52:54,833
Amanda.
829
00:52:55,833 --> 00:52:57,416
What conditions?
830
00:52:58,041 --> 00:53:04,041
The only thing that matters is
that he is given the space to talk to us.
831
00:53:06,083 --> 00:53:07,166
"Us"?
832
00:53:08,416 --> 00:53:09,250
The nation.
833
00:53:09,250 --> 00:53:10,500
Oh my God.
834
00:53:11,916 --> 00:53:14,000
[chuckles, sighs]
835
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,125
I can't do this.
836
00:53:17,458 --> 00:53:18,916
- Mm.
- No.
837
00:53:20,541 --> 00:53:21,750
I'm out.
838
00:53:26,166 --> 00:53:27,041
I understand.
839
00:53:30,458 --> 00:53:31,500
[scoffs]
840
00:53:40,375 --> 00:53:42,958
If they agree, and if it happens,
841
00:53:42,958 --> 00:53:44,291
it's 60 minutes.
842
00:53:44,291 --> 00:53:46,875
"If it happens"? What could stop us?
843
00:53:46,875 --> 00:53:49,500
Something high up.
This is the royal family and the BBC.
844
00:53:49,500 --> 00:53:52,750
People start talking about
the national interest and make no mistake,
845
00:53:53,291 --> 00:53:57,583
if we get this, and we pull it off,
it will be front page of every paper.
846
00:53:57,583 --> 00:53:59,958
But if we get it wrong,
if we make mistakes,
847
00:53:59,958 --> 00:54:01,708
if we don't get the tone right,
848
00:54:02,208 --> 00:54:04,791
the story won't be him. It'll be us.
849
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:06,458
No, it won't.
850
00:54:07,583 --> 00:54:08,625
It'll be me.
851
00:54:08,625 --> 00:54:10,458
[pensive music plays]
852
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,500
[footsteps approaching]
853
00:54:26,166 --> 00:54:27,458
[sighs deeply]
854
00:54:30,916 --> 00:54:32,541
She's always right, isn't she?
855
00:54:33,833 --> 00:54:34,666
Always.
856
00:54:38,250 --> 00:54:39,250
What did she say?
857
00:54:43,166 --> 00:54:44,750
She trusts my judgment.
858
00:54:52,791 --> 00:54:54,625
[musical ringtone playing]
859
00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:02,791
[Sam] Great.
860
00:55:12,375 --> 00:55:13,875
Amanda Thirsk called.
861
00:55:14,666 --> 00:55:16,125
Thursday, 2:00 p.m. The Palace.
862
00:55:16,125 --> 00:55:18,125
[all breathing deeply]
863
00:55:18,125 --> 00:55:19,125
We're on.
864
00:55:20,416 --> 00:55:23,333
Got 70 hours.
Emily, you're spending them with me.
865
00:55:23,333 --> 00:55:26,791
Stewart, you're producing.
Sam, anyone who needs you, gets you.
866
00:55:26,791 --> 00:55:28,041
Yes, is Fran there?
867
00:55:28,958 --> 00:55:30,500
Yes, extremely urgent.
868
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:35,166
With the director-general? Which opera?
869
00:55:35,166 --> 00:55:37,583
[woman singing opera in distance]
870
00:55:37,583 --> 00:55:38,791
[Fran] When it's done,
871
00:55:38,791 --> 00:55:42,083
nobody sees the cut
until the DG and I have seen it.
872
00:55:42,750 --> 00:55:44,583
[opera singing continues]
873
00:55:44,583 --> 00:55:46,166
Lovely to see you both.
874
00:55:52,083 --> 00:55:54,083
Tony's keeping his options open.
875
00:55:54,583 --> 00:55:57,166
Well, it's not over
till the fat lady sings.
876
00:55:59,375 --> 00:56:01,416
[Esme] So the question is,
877
00:56:01,916 --> 00:56:04,083
what are we looking for?
878
00:56:04,583 --> 00:56:06,708
A confession?
879
00:56:06,708 --> 00:56:08,916
String of denials?
880
00:56:08,916 --> 00:56:10,166
An apology?
881
00:56:10,166 --> 00:56:13,041
No way he's confessing
unless he wants to go to jail,
882
00:56:13,041 --> 00:56:17,541
and we're not settling for an apology,
so we go after him hard with the facts.
883
00:56:17,541 --> 00:56:20,458
- Fine. So where do we start?
- [Freddy] Mm.
884
00:56:20,458 --> 00:56:24,916
July 15th, 2006. Jeffrey Epstein,
Ghislaine Maxwell, and Harvey Weinstein
885
00:56:24,916 --> 00:56:27,750
are at Beatrice's
Victorian-themed 18th birthday party.
886
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:31,000
Epstein wore white with gold buttons
and a chestful of medals.
887
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:33,708
His Florida home
had just been raided by police.
888
00:56:33,708 --> 00:56:36,041
Sorry, that's a lot to take in, in one go.
889
00:56:36,041 --> 00:56:37,875
July 15th, 2006,
890
00:56:37,875 --> 00:56:40,416
Epstein, Maxwell, and Harvey Weinstein
891
00:56:40,416 --> 00:56:43,791
are all at Beatrice's
Victorian-themed 18th birthday party.
892
00:56:44,291 --> 00:56:47,833
Epstein wore white with gold buttons
and a chestful of medals.
893
00:56:48,333 --> 00:56:50,500
His Florida home
had just been raided by police.
894
00:56:50,500 --> 00:56:52,625
Sorry, that's a lot to take in, in one go.
895
00:56:52,625 --> 00:56:54,708
[all laughing]
896
00:56:54,708 --> 00:56:57,416
That is fantastic. Nowhere to hide.
897
00:56:58,416 --> 00:57:01,041
[Freddy] Andrew's tried to make it seem
his friendship with Ghislaine
898
00:57:01,041 --> 00:57:03,625
was the main reason
he spent time with Epstein.
899
00:57:04,125 --> 00:57:07,375
Problem is, it looks like
she was absolutely complicit
900
00:57:07,375 --> 00:57:09,583
in so much of what Epstein was doing.
901
00:57:15,208 --> 00:57:18,750
This painting of Clinton...
That's the Lewinsky dress.
902
00:57:18,750 --> 00:57:21,041
[Freddy] Yep. Epstein had it on his wall.
903
00:57:24,541 --> 00:57:28,458
There was a life-sized naked doll
hanging from a chandelier.
904
00:57:29,166 --> 00:57:30,291
A massage room.
905
00:57:30,916 --> 00:57:32,583
Soap shaped like genitalia.
906
00:57:33,875 --> 00:57:36,625
You couldn't be anywhere near Epstein
and not know.
907
00:57:40,208 --> 00:57:43,708
[Sam's mum] You know Lucas can
stay here tonight if you have to work.
908
00:57:43,708 --> 00:57:46,166
No, it's fine. They don't need me anyway.
909
00:57:47,375 --> 00:57:48,958
I don't believe that for a second.
910
00:57:50,916 --> 00:57:52,708
Then why didn't they ask me to stay, Mum?
911
00:57:52,708 --> 00:57:56,166
I bring in the interview,
and they still don't want me in the room.
912
00:57:56,166 --> 00:57:58,958
Sam, you know how this works.
913
00:57:59,875 --> 00:58:02,000
People like us, we don't wait to be asked.
914
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,750
We do what we have to do.
915
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,125
Did they ask you
to go after Prince Andrew?
916
00:58:08,125 --> 00:58:10,583
- No.
- No, they didn't.
917
00:58:10,583 --> 00:58:11,500
But you did.
918
00:58:12,250 --> 00:58:13,208
Remember that.
919
00:58:14,583 --> 00:58:16,333
And this interview,
920
00:58:17,708 --> 00:58:18,625
does it matter?
921
00:58:21,458 --> 00:58:22,750
Yeah, it matters.
922
00:58:23,833 --> 00:58:25,208
Well, there you go, then.
923
00:58:25,208 --> 00:58:27,291
[footsteps in lobby]
924
00:58:31,208 --> 00:58:32,833
Love you, Mum. [chuckles softly]
925
00:58:32,833 --> 00:58:34,583
I love you too, sweetheart.
926
00:58:36,375 --> 00:58:37,291
[sniffs]
927
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:42,500
[gentle music builds slowly]
928
00:59:13,375 --> 00:59:14,875
[sighs deeply]
929
00:59:19,041 --> 00:59:21,041
[musical ringtone playing]
930
00:59:24,875 --> 00:59:25,708
Hello.
931
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:27,833
[Amanda] Sam. Uh...
932
00:59:29,666 --> 00:59:31,125
I hope it's not too early.
933
00:59:32,583 --> 00:59:36,916
[Esme] And the 29th. And you've got,
what, everything from the 17th of June?
934
00:59:36,916 --> 00:59:38,000
[Freddy] That's right.
935
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,208
- Can you put those on a memory stick?
- Yeah.
936
00:59:40,208 --> 00:59:41,291
[Sam] Amanda called.
937
00:59:44,083 --> 00:59:45,500
Is she pulling the plug?
938
00:59:47,708 --> 00:59:48,875
South Drawing Room.
939
00:59:49,666 --> 00:59:52,291
Two chairs in the middle of the floor.
Six feet apart.
940
00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:54,708
It's like a western.
941
00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:57,791
Like a gunfight in a western.
942
00:59:57,791 --> 01:00:00,250
[tense music builds slowly]
943
01:00:06,583 --> 01:00:07,958
- Right.
- Huh.
944
01:00:08,708 --> 01:00:09,875
All set?
945
01:00:11,083 --> 01:00:11,916
[Esme] Emily.
946
01:00:12,666 --> 01:00:13,541
What's wrong?
947
01:00:15,166 --> 01:00:17,625
What if he just apologizes?
948
01:00:17,625 --> 01:00:21,166
What if I lay out all the facts,
949
01:00:21,166 --> 01:00:25,625
he doesn't admit to anything,
but he does say sorry?
950
01:00:28,291 --> 01:00:30,125
What if he's good, Esme?
951
01:00:30,125 --> 01:00:31,958
Then it'll be great television.
952
01:00:32,625 --> 01:00:34,333
Well, that's not why I'm doing it.
953
01:00:34,833 --> 01:00:36,208
Well, why are you doing it?
954
01:00:40,208 --> 01:00:41,208
Monica Lewinsky.
955
01:00:42,541 --> 01:00:46,125
I feel like I let women down
by not asking Clinton about her.
956
01:00:46,125 --> 01:00:49,541
Sex with that woman
was actually consensual.
957
01:00:49,541 --> 01:00:52,958
She was 21.
He was the president of the United States.
958
01:00:53,666 --> 01:00:57,291
He got his life back.
She got decades of vicious misogyny.
959
01:00:59,166 --> 01:01:00,000
You push.
960
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,000
What?
961
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,500
If he's good, if he's saying sorry
for what these girls went through,
962
01:01:04,500 --> 01:01:08,458
then... lean in and ask him
if he feels responsible as well as sorry.
963
01:01:08,458 --> 01:01:09,583
[Emily] What if he says no?
964
01:01:09,583 --> 01:01:12,583
Push again, with the photograph.
Show him the picture. Here.
965
01:01:15,041 --> 01:01:15,958
Here.
966
01:01:19,958 --> 01:01:22,916
But this photograph... is you.
967
01:01:22,916 --> 01:01:25,583
I don't believe I was ever there,
968
01:01:26,458 --> 01:01:29,458
that I ever even went upstairs
in that house.
969
01:01:29,458 --> 01:01:32,833
Um... You don't recollect,
Your Royal Highness.
970
01:01:33,583 --> 01:01:34,583
Yes, of course.
971
01:01:34,583 --> 01:01:36,750
So... it's a fake?
972
01:01:36,750 --> 01:01:38,208
[Andrew] As I say,
973
01:01:38,208 --> 01:01:41,958
I have no recollection
of ever having been there
974
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,625
or even meeting that woman.
975
01:01:44,625 --> 01:01:48,208
Ms. Roberts.
Please don't ever say "that woman."
976
01:01:48,208 --> 01:01:49,125
Ever.
977
01:01:49,125 --> 01:01:51,750
- Oh, for heaven's sake.
- I understand this is difficult.
978
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:53,250
And, of course,
979
01:01:53,250 --> 01:01:56,583
you couldn't have been there
on that date, correct?
980
01:01:58,291 --> 01:01:59,166
Hm.
981
01:01:59,833 --> 01:02:03,708
You have denied, many times,
982
01:02:03,708 --> 01:02:07,583
having even met Virginia Giuffre.
983
01:02:07,583 --> 01:02:12,625
You have denied
her extremely serious allegations
984
01:02:12,625 --> 01:02:16,041
that she was forced to have sex with you
985
01:02:16,041 --> 01:02:19,833
when she was just 17 years old.
986
01:02:19,833 --> 01:02:22,250
Now, either this happened
987
01:02:23,625 --> 01:02:25,125
or she's lying.
988
01:02:25,125 --> 01:02:26,333
Which is it?
989
01:02:27,833 --> 01:02:28,750
[exhales]
990
01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:31,958
Bingo. Brilliant.
991
01:02:32,958 --> 01:02:33,791
We got him.
992
01:02:45,375 --> 01:02:46,208
Sam.
993
01:02:48,083 --> 01:02:48,916
Tell me.
994
01:02:50,875 --> 01:02:51,750
Nothing.
995
01:02:52,416 --> 01:02:53,291
Tell me.
996
01:02:54,875 --> 01:02:56,583
I'm going in there. You're not.
997
01:02:56,583 --> 01:02:59,041
If you have something to say,
I want to hear it.
998
01:02:59,625 --> 01:03:01,375
[inhales deeply, sighs]
999
01:03:01,375 --> 01:03:05,666
It's just we offered him... space and time.
1000
01:03:06,625 --> 01:03:08,666
We offered him an interview.
1001
01:03:10,416 --> 01:03:13,583
Men like that hate it
when they're not heard.
1002
01:03:13,583 --> 01:03:15,125
He'll want to be heard.
1003
01:03:25,708 --> 01:03:29,750
So the really big question...
is what do I wear?
1004
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:30,708
[laughter]
1005
01:03:30,708 --> 01:03:31,958
Black dress.
1006
01:03:32,750 --> 01:03:34,541
Simple, elegant.
1007
01:03:34,541 --> 01:03:35,750
Hepburn/Maitlis.
1008
01:03:36,625 --> 01:03:37,666
My knees.
1009
01:03:38,416 --> 01:03:39,958
You've got the best knees on TV.
1010
01:03:39,958 --> 01:03:42,083
I don't want people looking at my knees.
1011
01:03:42,083 --> 01:03:45,416
You don't want him looking at your knees.
Actually, we do want him looking.
1012
01:03:45,416 --> 01:03:47,458
- That would be good TV.
- [chuckling]
1013
01:03:47,458 --> 01:03:49,166
[exhales deeply]
1014
01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:53,125
[Esme] Emily?
1015
01:03:55,875 --> 01:03:56,833
Go home.
1016
01:03:57,500 --> 01:03:59,500
I want you raring to go in the morning.
1017
01:04:07,458 --> 01:04:08,750
[Emily] 2006.
1018
01:04:09,250 --> 01:04:13,125
Epstein was convicted of trafficking girls
as young as 14.
1019
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:18,250
Yet you continued relations with him
for another four years.
1020
01:04:18,958 --> 01:04:20,333
And yet you...
1021
01:04:20,333 --> 01:04:25,625
and yet you continued
your friendship with him until 2010.
1022
01:04:25,625 --> 01:04:27,708
[tense music plays softly]
1023
01:04:29,500 --> 01:04:31,833
[panting] And yet you continued...
1024
01:04:32,333 --> 01:04:33,333
- [dog barks]
- Moody!
1025
01:04:38,541 --> 01:04:40,541
[tense music builds slowly]
1026
01:04:54,166 --> 01:04:58,500
That's great. Yeah, just in this room.
All right. Through there.
1027
01:04:59,416 --> 01:05:00,958
Moody!
1028
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:05,375
- ID, please, miss.
- Yeah, um...
1029
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:09,000
She's with me.
1030
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:10,375
Thanks!
1031
01:05:12,625 --> 01:05:13,458
Thanks.
1032
01:05:20,375 --> 01:05:21,208
[sighs]
1033
01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:28,833
You chase them, you'll never catch them.
1034
01:05:29,458 --> 01:05:32,208
And then when they're ready to come,
you won't be there.
1035
01:05:39,125 --> 01:05:42,750
He might walk out. If Emily's doing to him
what I think, it's a strong possibility.
1036
01:05:42,750 --> 01:05:44,458
If he does, film it.
1037
01:05:44,458 --> 01:05:47,750
- Whatever he does, do not stop filming.
- Stewart.
1038
01:05:49,208 --> 01:05:50,458
- Right.
- Um...
1039
01:05:54,458 --> 01:05:55,666
Your Royal Highness.
1040
01:06:23,708 --> 01:06:25,000
[Andrew] Sure about this?
1041
01:06:26,208 --> 01:06:27,250
Little bit, um...
1042
01:06:28,125 --> 01:06:30,250
[woman] A bit of powder,
Your Royal Highness?
1043
01:06:30,250 --> 01:06:31,875
- Sure. What's your name?
- Cat.
1044
01:06:31,875 --> 01:06:33,375
- Okay? First question.
- Yeah.
1045
01:06:33,375 --> 01:06:37,000
I want it to set the tone. Straight in.
"Jeffrey Epstein was a child abuser."
1046
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,041
"You knew that when you went
to stay with him, didn't you?"
1047
01:06:40,041 --> 01:06:42,875
Only one answer to that.
Already he's got nowhere to go.
1048
01:06:42,875 --> 01:06:45,625
[Andrew] No, this needs
to be on the other side.
1049
01:06:45,625 --> 01:06:48,625
It's going through
the opposite edge of the chair.
1050
01:06:48,625 --> 01:06:50,458
That way, it won't stick out.
1051
01:06:51,208 --> 01:06:52,375
- Oh God.
- No, wait.
1052
01:06:53,791 --> 01:06:56,458
Let him be. We want him to be comfortable.
1053
01:07:00,750 --> 01:07:01,583
Trousers.
1054
01:07:05,833 --> 01:07:06,791
[chuckles]
1055
01:07:10,625 --> 01:07:12,625
[bell ringing]
1056
01:07:12,625 --> 01:07:13,916
[Andrew grunts]
1057
01:07:13,916 --> 01:07:16,000
[stark, pensive music plays]
1058
01:07:24,375 --> 01:07:25,666
Just, uh...
1059
01:07:27,541 --> 01:07:30,083
Just... be yourself.
1060
01:07:37,208 --> 01:07:38,250
[Sam clears throat]
1061
01:07:41,166 --> 01:07:42,458
[Sam] That's not great.
1062
01:07:42,958 --> 01:07:46,333
Donal McCabe.
He's from the Queen's press office.
1063
01:07:46,333 --> 01:07:48,416
[Stewart] We didn't agree to that, did we?
1064
01:07:48,916 --> 01:07:50,041
[Sam] With the Queen?
1065
01:07:50,833 --> 01:07:53,166
No. But by all means, take it up with her.
1066
01:07:53,166 --> 01:07:54,375
[chuckles lightly]
1067
01:07:59,416 --> 01:08:00,500
[woman] Sound speed.
1068
01:08:03,250 --> 01:08:05,250
[clock ticking]
1069
01:08:07,833 --> 01:08:08,833
[man] Set.
1070
01:08:10,125 --> 01:08:11,625
Your Royal Highness.
1071
01:08:12,666 --> 01:08:15,583
We've come to Buckingham Palace
1072
01:08:15,583 --> 01:08:19,416
in highly unusual circumstances.
1073
01:08:20,291 --> 01:08:22,250
Normally, we'd be discussing your work...
1074
01:08:22,250 --> 01:08:23,583
- [Andrew] Mm.
- ...your duty.
1075
01:08:23,583 --> 01:08:24,833
We'll come on to that.
1076
01:08:25,375 --> 01:08:26,375
But today,
1077
01:08:27,125 --> 01:08:30,250
you've chosen to speak out
for the first time.
1078
01:08:31,125 --> 01:08:34,375
Why have you decided to talk now?
1079
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:41,375
Because there is no good time
1080
01:08:41,958 --> 01:08:45,541
to talk about, um... Mr. Epstein
1081
01:08:45,541 --> 01:08:48,125
and all things associated.
1082
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,250
And we've been talking
to Newsnight for some time
1083
01:08:52,250 --> 01:08:56,500
about, um, doing something
around the work that I was doing.
1084
01:08:56,500 --> 01:08:58,750
And unfortunately,
we've just not been able
1085
01:08:58,750 --> 01:09:03,333
to fit into either your schedule
or my schedule until now... now.
1086
01:09:03,333 --> 01:09:08,583
Actually, it's a very good opportunity.
I'm delighted to be able to see you today.
1087
01:09:09,541 --> 01:09:10,583
As you say,
1088
01:09:11,875 --> 01:09:15,500
it all goes back to your friendship
with Jeffrey Epstein.
1089
01:09:15,500 --> 01:09:16,625
Hmm.
1090
01:09:17,583 --> 01:09:20,333
How did you first become friends?
1091
01:09:20,333 --> 01:09:21,750
How did you meet?
1092
01:09:21,750 --> 01:09:25,500
Well, I met through his girlfriend.
1093
01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:26,416
Um...
1094
01:09:26,416 --> 01:09:27,958
Back in 1999.
1095
01:09:27,958 --> 01:09:30,666
[whispers] It's too open. It's too easy.
1096
01:09:30,666 --> 01:09:33,375
[Andrew] I'd known Ghislaine
since university. In the UK.
1097
01:09:34,041 --> 01:09:37,500
And, um, I didn't spend much time...
1098
01:09:38,916 --> 01:09:43,958
I suppose I saw him once or twice a year,
perhaps maximum three times a year,
1099
01:09:43,958 --> 01:09:50,083
and... quite often, um, if I was
in the United States and doing things,
1100
01:09:50,083 --> 01:09:52,541
and he wasn't there, he'd say,
1101
01:09:53,041 --> 01:09:56,000
"Why don't you come and use my houses?"
1102
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,166
And I said, "Thank you very much indeed."
1103
01:09:58,166 --> 01:10:04,250
But it would be... a considerable stretch
to say that we were very close friends.
1104
01:10:04,250 --> 01:10:06,833
But he had the most extraordinary ability
1105
01:10:06,833 --> 01:10:11,583
to, um... to bring...
extraordinary people together.
1106
01:10:11,583 --> 01:10:14,041
And that's the bit that I remember.
1107
01:10:14,041 --> 01:10:17,541
It's going to dinner parties
where you would meet...
1108
01:10:17,541 --> 01:10:18,500
What's she doing?
1109
01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:20,833
...academics, politicians...
1110
01:10:20,833 --> 01:10:22,625
She's letting him talk.
1111
01:10:22,625 --> 01:10:26,000
[Andrew] It was a cosmopolitan group
of what I would call--
1112
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,416
Did you trust him?
1113
01:10:30,375 --> 01:10:31,416
[hesitates] Um...
1114
01:10:31,416 --> 01:10:33,125
Yes, I think I probably did,
1115
01:10:33,125 --> 01:10:34,750
but, um...
1116
01:10:36,250 --> 01:10:40,625
Obviously, I don't go into...
um, a friendship
1117
01:10:41,166 --> 01:10:45,375
looking for the... the wrong thing,
if you understand what I mean.
1118
01:10:45,375 --> 01:10:47,458
I... I'm an engaging person.
1119
01:10:47,458 --> 01:10:50,000
I want to be able to engage.
1120
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,916
Am I right in thinking
you threw a birthday party
1121
01:10:53,916 --> 01:10:58,916
for Epstein's girlfriend,
Ghislaine Maxwell, at Sandringham?
1122
01:10:59,583 --> 01:11:02,500
No, it was a shooting weekend.
1123
01:11:02,500 --> 01:11:03,583
A shooting weekend?
1124
01:11:03,583 --> 01:11:06,916
Yes, just a straightforward...
straightforward shooting weekend.
1125
01:11:08,708 --> 01:11:14,166
But during these times
that he was a guest at Windsor Castle,
1126
01:11:14,166 --> 01:11:16,666
at Sandringham, this shooting weekend...
1127
01:11:16,666 --> 01:11:17,750
Yep.
1128
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:21,583
We now know... that he had been
1129
01:11:22,125 --> 01:11:26,416
procuring young girls...
for sex trafficking.
1130
01:11:32,250 --> 01:11:34,541
We now know that.
1131
01:11:36,041 --> 01:11:37,208
At the time,
1132
01:11:38,125 --> 01:11:40,125
there was no indication,
1133
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,583
to me... or anybody else,
1134
01:11:44,583 --> 01:11:47,833
that that's what he was doing.
1135
01:11:48,708 --> 01:11:50,958
Absolutely no indication.
1136
01:11:50,958 --> 01:11:52,333
- [knocking]
- [inhales]
1137
01:11:52,333 --> 01:11:54,125
Flight logs for Epstein's jet.
1138
01:11:54,125 --> 01:11:56,541
The, uh, quote "Lolita Express."
1139
01:11:57,458 --> 01:12:00,333
PA, Prince Andrew, is a frequent flyer.
1140
01:12:00,333 --> 01:12:01,958
So is BC, Bill,
1141
01:12:01,958 --> 01:12:03,833
and GM, Ghislaine Maxwell.
1142
01:12:04,458 --> 01:12:07,375
Princes, presidents, and females.
1143
01:12:08,541 --> 01:12:09,875
The girls don't get named.
1144
01:12:11,125 --> 01:12:14,625
Just so our ducks are in a row
when all of Fleet Street comes knocking.
1145
01:12:16,125 --> 01:12:19,708
Just for the record,
you've been on his private plane.
1146
01:12:20,375 --> 01:12:21,208
Yes.
1147
01:12:21,708 --> 01:12:24,750
You've been to stay on his private island.
1148
01:12:25,250 --> 01:12:26,083
Yes.
1149
01:12:26,583 --> 01:12:29,750
You've stayed at his home in Palm Beach.
1150
01:12:30,291 --> 01:12:31,125
Yes.
1151
01:12:31,125 --> 01:12:34,708
So, in 2006, in May,
1152
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:38,875
an arrest warrant was issued for Epstein
1153
01:12:38,875 --> 01:12:41,750
for sexual assault of a minor.
1154
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:42,833
Yes.
1155
01:12:42,833 --> 01:12:47,458
He was released in July of 2010.
1156
01:12:47,458 --> 01:12:48,916
And within months,
1157
01:12:49,541 --> 01:12:52,541
you went to stay with him
at his New York mansion.
1158
01:12:56,041 --> 01:12:56,875
Why?
1159
01:12:57,708 --> 01:13:01,750
Why were you staying
with a convicted sex offender?
1160
01:13:04,791 --> 01:13:09,791
Now, I went to see him
with the sole purpose of saying to him
1161
01:13:09,791 --> 01:13:14,625
that because he had been convicted,
1162
01:13:15,416 --> 01:13:20,500
it was inappropriate
that we should be seen together.
1163
01:13:20,500 --> 01:13:25,125
I felt that doing it over the telephone
was the chicken's way of doing it.
1164
01:13:25,125 --> 01:13:27,625
I had to go and see him and talk to him.
1165
01:13:28,458 --> 01:13:31,708
I went to see him. We had an opportunity
to go for a walk in the park,
1166
01:13:31,708 --> 01:13:35,208
and that was the... uh, conversation,
1167
01:13:35,208 --> 01:13:36,750
coincidentally,
1168
01:13:36,750 --> 01:13:38,958
that was photographed.
1169
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:45,958
When I... I said to him, I said,
"Look, because of what has... happened,
1170
01:13:47,208 --> 01:13:52,708
I don't think it is appropriate
for us to remain in contact."
1171
01:13:53,375 --> 01:13:54,916
And by mutual decision,
1172
01:13:55,416 --> 01:13:58,458
we agreed to part company, and I left.
1173
01:13:58,458 --> 01:14:02,958
He threw a party to celebrate his release,
1174
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:06,458
and you were invited as a guest of honor.
1175
01:14:06,458 --> 01:14:07,625
No, I didn't go.
1176
01:14:11,125 --> 01:14:12,541
Oh, in 2010.
1177
01:14:13,333 --> 01:14:17,083
There... Well, there...
There certainly wasn't a... a party
1178
01:14:17,083 --> 01:14:23,708
to celebrate his release in... December,
because it was only a small dinner party.
1179
01:14:23,708 --> 01:14:26,208
There were only
eight or ten of us at the dinner.
1180
01:14:26,208 --> 01:14:28,250
If there was a... a party,
1181
01:14:28,250 --> 01:14:29,916
then I know nothing about that.
1182
01:14:29,916 --> 01:14:32,041
You were invited to that dinner
1183
01:14:32,791 --> 01:14:34,041
as a guest of honor.
1184
01:14:35,166 --> 01:14:39,166
I was there, so I was at the dinner.
I don't think it was as you might put it,
1185
01:14:39,166 --> 01:14:41,708
but, okay, I was there.
I was there at a dinner.
1186
01:14:41,708 --> 01:14:43,333
I'm just trying to work this out
1187
01:14:43,333 --> 01:14:46,666
because you said
you went to break up the relationship,
1188
01:14:46,666 --> 01:14:51,750
and yet you stayed
at that New York mansion several days.
1189
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:53,166
I'm wondering how long--
1190
01:14:53,166 --> 01:14:55,583
I was doing a number
of other things while I was there.
1191
01:14:55,583 --> 01:14:58,583
But you were staying at the house
of a convicted sex offender.
1192
01:14:58,583 --> 01:15:00,708
It was a convenient place to stay.
1193
01:15:02,750 --> 01:15:04,750
[brooding music plays softly]
1194
01:15:12,708 --> 01:15:14,416
So I've spoken to Panorama.
1195
01:15:14,416 --> 01:15:17,625
Virginia Roberts says the original photo
was printed and date stamped
1196
01:15:17,625 --> 01:15:19,416
two days after it was taken,
1197
01:15:19,416 --> 01:15:22,500
and we have an affidavit
from a witness in 2001
1198
01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:24,375
who saw the photo at the time.
1199
01:15:25,916 --> 01:15:27,458
- Freddy?
- Yeah?
1200
01:15:27,458 --> 01:15:28,458
Thank you.
1201
01:15:28,458 --> 01:15:29,416
Yeah.
1202
01:15:30,916 --> 01:15:33,708
[Emily] One of Epstein's accusers,
1203
01:15:33,708 --> 01:15:35,000
Virginia Roberts,
1204
01:15:35,708 --> 01:15:39,125
made allegations against you.
1205
01:15:39,125 --> 01:15:41,916
In a legal deposition,
1206
01:15:42,833 --> 01:15:47,875
she said she had sex with you three times.
1207
01:15:48,750 --> 01:15:51,166
Once in a London house
1208
01:15:51,166 --> 01:15:55,333
when she was trafficked to you
in Maxwell's house.
1209
01:15:55,333 --> 01:15:56,250
[softly] Uh...
1210
01:15:56,250 --> 01:15:59,458
Once... in New York
1211
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,958
a month or so later in Epstein's mansion,
1212
01:16:03,958 --> 01:16:06,791
and once on his private island,
1213
01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:11,625
in a group of seven or eight other girls.
1214
01:16:14,875 --> 01:16:16,166
No. [scoffs]
1215
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:19,375
No to all of it?
1216
01:16:19,375 --> 01:16:20,291
All of it.
1217
01:16:20,875 --> 01:16:25,250
Absolutely no to all of it.
1218
01:16:26,333 --> 01:16:30,125
Are you saying you don't believe her?
1219
01:16:30,666 --> 01:16:31,833
She's lying?
1220
01:16:36,041 --> 01:16:40,541
That's a difficult thing
for me to, um... answer
1221
01:16:40,541 --> 01:16:43,833
because I don't know
1222
01:16:44,666 --> 01:16:48,208
what she's, um, trying to achieve.
1223
01:16:48,208 --> 01:16:50,166
But I can tell you...
1224
01:16:51,208 --> 01:16:53,333
uh... categorically,
1225
01:16:54,458 --> 01:16:57,458
I don't remember meeting her at all.
1226
01:16:58,333 --> 01:17:01,750
I do not remember
a photograph being taken,
1227
01:17:02,250 --> 01:17:03,416
and I've said,
1228
01:17:04,041 --> 01:17:07,375
consistently and, um...
1229
01:17:08,291 --> 01:17:09,416
frequently,
1230
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:15,250
that we never had
any sort of sexual contact whatever.
1231
01:17:17,041 --> 01:17:21,791
She says she met you in 2001.
1232
01:17:23,041 --> 01:17:25,041
She says she dined with you,
1233
01:17:25,833 --> 01:17:27,458
danced with you.
1234
01:17:27,458 --> 01:17:29,125
You bought her drinks
1235
01:17:29,875 --> 01:17:32,250
at Tramp nightclub in London.
1236
01:17:32,250 --> 01:17:35,375
There's a number of things wrong
with that story. One of which is that...
1237
01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:42,833
I don't know where the bar is in Tramps.
1238
01:17:44,416 --> 01:17:45,291
Um...
1239
01:17:46,041 --> 01:17:47,666
Um, I don't drink.
1240
01:17:49,541 --> 01:17:56,125
Um, I... I don't think I've ever bought
a drink in Tramps whenever I was there.
1241
01:17:56,125 --> 01:17:58,416
Do you remember dancing with her?
1242
01:17:59,333 --> 01:18:03,291
No, that couldn't have happened
because on that particular date,
1243
01:18:03,291 --> 01:18:06,083
I was, um, at home.
I was with the children.
1244
01:18:06,083 --> 01:18:11,083
And I had taken Beatrice
to a Pizza Express in Woking
1245
01:18:11,666 --> 01:18:16,666
for a party, I think...
round about 4:00, 5:00 in the afternoon.
1246
01:18:16,666 --> 01:18:19,916
Why would you remember that
so specifically?
1247
01:18:21,416 --> 01:18:25,166
Because going to Pizza Express in Woking
1248
01:18:26,041 --> 01:18:28,625
is an unusual thing for me to do.
1249
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,083
A very unusual thing for me to do.
1250
01:18:35,875 --> 01:18:37,333
Uh, stop. Um...
1251
01:18:37,833 --> 01:18:38,708
Can... Can we?
1252
01:18:39,416 --> 01:18:41,958
Please, um, I would like to go back.
1253
01:18:41,958 --> 01:18:45,750
I would like to make a...
a specific reference to the date.
1254
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:46,791
March the 10th.
1255
01:18:46,791 --> 01:18:49,125
I think it's perfectly clear.
Do we need that?
1256
01:18:49,125 --> 01:18:51,250
I think we're rolling well,
don't you, Emily?
1257
01:18:53,291 --> 01:18:54,208
- No?
- No.
1258
01:18:58,125 --> 01:18:59,083
[scoffs]
1259
01:19:03,208 --> 01:19:07,833
- She was very specific about that night.
- Mm-hmm.
1260
01:19:07,833 --> 01:19:10,583
She described dancing with you.
1261
01:19:10,583 --> 01:19:13,041
- No.
- And you profusely sweating.
1262
01:19:13,041 --> 01:19:14,083
[scoffs]
1263
01:19:15,541 --> 01:19:20,041
Um, there's a... there's a, um...
a slight problem with the sweating.
1264
01:19:20,041 --> 01:19:24,833
But... because I have, um,
a... peculiar condition,
1265
01:19:24,833 --> 01:19:28,250
which is that I don't sweat,
or rather I didn't sweat at the time.
1266
01:19:28,250 --> 01:19:30,500
And that would, um... Oh, actually...
1267
01:19:30,500 --> 01:19:33,083
Yes, I didn't sweat at the time,
1268
01:19:33,083 --> 01:19:34,916
and that's because I suffered
1269
01:19:34,916 --> 01:19:40,291
what I would describe as an overdose
of adrenaline in the Falklands War
1270
01:19:40,291 --> 01:19:42,666
when I was shot at, and I simply, um...
1271
01:19:42,666 --> 01:19:46,708
it... it... it was almost impossible
for me to... to... to sweat.
1272
01:19:53,458 --> 01:19:54,541
I wonder
1273
01:19:56,333 --> 01:19:59,041
if you have any sense of
1274
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,708
guilt, regret, or shame
1275
01:20:06,041 --> 01:20:08,625
about any of your behavior
1276
01:20:09,250 --> 01:20:11,500
in your friendship with Epstein.
1277
01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:17,500
On balance...
1278
01:20:19,875 --> 01:20:24,000
could I have avoided... ever meeting him?
1279
01:20:25,041 --> 01:20:25,875
Mm...
1280
01:20:26,750 --> 01:20:28,000
I don't think so,
1281
01:20:28,541 --> 01:20:32,000
and that's because of
my friendship with Ghislaine.
1282
01:20:34,833 --> 01:20:38,000
[sighs through lips] Do I regret the fact
1283
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:44,000
that he's quite obviously, uh,
conducted himself in a manner unbecoming...
1284
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,208
[Emily] "Unbecoming"?
He was a sex offender.
1285
01:20:47,208 --> 01:20:49,250
Yes, I'm sorry. I... I was being polite.
1286
01:20:49,250 --> 01:20:52,833
I mean, in the sense that
he was a sex offender. But, no, um...
1287
01:20:53,958 --> 01:20:57,583
Was I right in having him as a friend?
1288
01:20:58,583 --> 01:20:59,500
Um...
1289
01:21:00,833 --> 01:21:01,833
At the time,
1290
01:21:02,958 --> 01:21:08,583
bearing in mind this was some years before
he was accused of being a sex offender,
1291
01:21:10,708 --> 01:21:14,875
I don't think
there was anything wrong... then.
1292
01:21:16,333 --> 01:21:23,125
The problem was, after the fact,
that after he had been convicted...
1293
01:21:23,125 --> 01:21:25,041
- You stayed with him.
- I stayed with him.
1294
01:21:25,041 --> 01:21:28,083
And that's the bit that, um, as it were,
1295
01:21:28,083 --> 01:21:30,583
I kick myself for
on a daily basis. [chuckles]
1296
01:21:30,583 --> 01:21:34,833
Because that... it was... it was not, um,
becoming of a member of the royal family,
1297
01:21:34,833 --> 01:21:39,000
and we... we try to uphold
the highest standards and practices,
1298
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,916
and I... I let the side down,
simple as that.
1299
01:21:53,541 --> 01:21:55,541
- [music fades]
- [clock ticking]
1300
01:21:59,250 --> 01:22:04,958
Is there anything
you feel has been left unsaid
1301
01:22:05,583 --> 01:22:07,541
that you would like to say now?
1302
01:22:10,916 --> 01:22:12,041
No, I don't think so.
1303
01:22:13,166 --> 01:22:17,875
You probably dragged out of me
most of what's required.
1304
01:22:17,875 --> 01:22:19,958
[breathes deeply]
1305
01:22:21,333 --> 01:22:22,958
[tense music playing]
1306
01:22:22,958 --> 01:22:25,125
[camera whirring]
1307
01:22:25,125 --> 01:22:26,250
[exhales deeply]
1308
01:22:26,916 --> 01:22:27,833
I'm gonna go.
1309
01:22:29,625 --> 01:22:32,458
I have a biker downstairs.
The memory cards. Both copies...
1310
01:22:32,458 --> 01:22:34,583
Now, would you all like a tour?
1311
01:22:34,583 --> 01:22:35,583
Some stills?
1312
01:22:36,208 --> 01:22:39,666
Ah. Yes, of course. Um...
Tell you what, two birds, one stone.
1313
01:22:39,666 --> 01:22:42,041
You take your snaps
while I show Emily around.
1314
01:22:42,041 --> 01:22:44,125
[unsettling music intensifies]
1315
01:22:46,083 --> 01:22:48,083
[soundscape distorts eerily]
1316
01:23:00,875 --> 01:23:02,541
[distorted] Wasn't he wonderful?
1317
01:23:04,458 --> 01:23:05,583
[softly] Wonderful.
1318
01:23:09,041 --> 01:23:10,375
[music fades]
1319
01:23:10,375 --> 01:23:11,833
[sighs]
1320
01:23:11,833 --> 01:23:13,791
[tense music builds]
1321
01:23:24,208 --> 01:23:26,333
- [chattering indistinctly]
- [camera clicks]
1322
01:23:35,666 --> 01:23:37,250
[music fades out]
1323
01:23:37,250 --> 01:23:39,500
You know, I thought
that all went very well.
1324
01:23:41,458 --> 01:23:43,083
Like a walk in the park.
1325
01:23:49,916 --> 01:23:51,916
[pensive music plays]
1326
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:56,041
[clattering]
1327
01:23:59,250 --> 01:24:00,791
Expecting a car, madam?
1328
01:24:00,791 --> 01:24:03,250
Uh... Uh, no. Thank you.
1329
01:24:03,250 --> 01:24:05,750
Um... I think I'm going to walk.
1330
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:06,791
But thank you.
1331
01:24:18,666 --> 01:24:20,750
- I think I might be sick.
- [both chuckle]
1332
01:24:45,708 --> 01:24:46,958
Emily. That was...
1333
01:24:46,958 --> 01:24:49,041
[breathes deeply]
1334
01:24:49,041 --> 01:24:52,041
That was him... right there. You did it.
1335
01:24:54,041 --> 01:24:54,875
We did it.
1336
01:24:57,250 --> 01:24:58,458
Thanks, Sammy.
1337
01:25:01,333 --> 01:25:03,875
[pensive music continues]
1338
01:25:09,166 --> 01:25:10,458
[Stewart] How are we doing?
1339
01:25:10,458 --> 01:25:12,791
Twitter teasers are nearly ready.
When do we go live?
1340
01:25:12,791 --> 01:25:15,125
[Stewart] I'm gonna talk
to the DG about that now.
1341
01:25:22,208 --> 01:25:23,083
[chuckles softly]
1342
01:25:24,625 --> 01:25:28,500
She had her man in the room when you shot
the interview. He recorded it. Yes?
1343
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,916
Could she stop it going out, Tony?
1344
01:25:30,916 --> 01:25:34,875
Well, she is the Queen.
I mean, I'd have to take the call.
1345
01:25:34,875 --> 01:25:37,541
We want to trail it on Friday night
after the show, live.
1346
01:25:37,541 --> 01:25:38,875
With Emily?
1347
01:25:38,875 --> 01:25:41,208
Of course.
With teasers on socials afterwards.
1348
01:25:41,208 --> 01:25:44,083
[Tony] I'll tell the Palace
we're broadcasting on Saturday night.
1349
01:25:44,083 --> 01:25:45,666
Wait for me to get back to you.
1350
01:25:51,458 --> 01:25:52,875
[doors opening]
1351
01:26:00,333 --> 01:26:01,166
How long?
1352
01:26:01,666 --> 01:26:02,500
Fifteen minutes.
1353
01:26:03,375 --> 01:26:05,708
[Emily] I guess no news is good news.
1354
01:26:06,291 --> 01:26:07,125
Oh...
1355
01:26:11,416 --> 01:26:12,416
- Tony?
- Esme, hi.
1356
01:26:16,791 --> 01:26:18,958
Pull the trigger. We're on.
1357
01:26:20,041 --> 01:26:23,208
Tomorrow night,
in a Newsnight special program,
1358
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:29,250
we will hear for the first time
from the duke himself.
1359
01:26:29,833 --> 01:26:31,666
In an unprecedented interview,
1360
01:26:31,666 --> 01:26:35,958
he speaks to us at length
about his friendship with Epstein
1361
01:26:36,500 --> 01:26:38,625
and the claims made against him.
1362
01:26:39,333 --> 01:26:42,666
Prince Andrew, the Duke of York,
1363
01:26:43,333 --> 01:26:48,333
has long faced questions about his ties
to the financier Jeffrey Epstein,
1364
01:26:48,958 --> 01:26:51,166
who took his life earlier this year
1365
01:26:51,166 --> 01:26:53,333
while awaiting trial on sex...
1366
01:26:53,333 --> 01:26:55,375
[gentle anticipative music builds slowly]
1367
01:26:55,375 --> 01:26:57,458
[notification alerts chime faintly]
1368
01:27:07,583 --> 01:27:09,500
[phone buzzes]
1369
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,708
[music trails off]
1370
01:27:47,416 --> 01:27:50,375
- Where does this bloody dust come from?
- I know, sir.
1371
01:27:53,625 --> 01:27:55,083
[elevator dings]
1372
01:27:55,083 --> 01:27:59,083
[Amanda] "For the prince, the whole
nerve-shredding exercise is designed
1373
01:27:59,083 --> 01:28:01,541
to show that he has nothing to hide."
1374
01:28:02,875 --> 01:28:06,250
"It will show that he has been
wholly honest and truthful."
1375
01:28:07,333 --> 01:28:11,416
"'In a way,' says a friend,
'he is saying, "Judge me.""
1376
01:28:15,416 --> 01:28:17,083
It's... It's excellent, isn't it?
1377
01:28:17,916 --> 01:28:19,000
Huh.
1378
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,041
It's... It's exactly the right tone.
1379
01:28:21,041 --> 01:28:22,666
- [sighs]
- Very good.
1380
01:28:24,541 --> 01:28:26,875
Would you...
Would you like me to be here tonight
1381
01:28:27,375 --> 01:28:29,375
when it... goes out?
1382
01:28:30,666 --> 01:28:31,916
Oh, no, I don't think so.
1383
01:28:32,666 --> 01:28:35,875
No, I really don't think that's necessary.
1384
01:28:39,208 --> 01:28:40,541
[positive music playing]
1385
01:28:40,541 --> 01:28:42,291
- [door opens]
- [Sam's mum] Hello!
1386
01:28:42,291 --> 01:28:43,666
Nana, this is Freya.
1387
01:28:43,666 --> 01:28:46,291
- Hello. Come in. Come in.
- Freya, this is Netta.
1388
01:28:46,291 --> 01:28:47,250
Hello.
1389
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,291
[kissing]
1390
01:28:54,166 --> 01:28:55,791
[jingle playing on TV]
1391
01:29:06,958 --> 01:29:07,916
[grunts softly]
1392
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,333
Um, in... In fact, I'm convinced
1393
01:29:12,041 --> 01:29:16,333
that I was never in Tramps with her.
1394
01:29:16,333 --> 01:29:19,625
There's a number of things wrong
with that story. One of which is that...
1395
01:29:19,625 --> 01:29:22,791
I don't know where the bar is.
1396
01:29:27,208 --> 01:29:29,208
[notifications whirring rapidly]
1397
01:29:31,625 --> 01:29:37,125
I have a, um... a peculiar condition,
which is that I don't sweat,
1398
01:29:37,125 --> 01:29:40,208
or rather I didn't sweat at the time.
And that would...
1399
01:29:40,208 --> 01:29:42,875
and that is because I had suffered
1400
01:29:42,875 --> 01:29:47,791
what I would describe as an overdose
of adrenaline in the Falklands War.
1401
01:29:47,791 --> 01:29:51,291
Because going to Pizza Express in Woking
1402
01:29:52,291 --> 01:29:54,791
is an unusual thing for me to do.
1403
01:29:55,375 --> 01:29:58,583
A very unusual thing for me to do.
1404
01:30:03,500 --> 01:30:08,041
[Emily] So, if Virginia Roberts
is watching this interview,
1405
01:30:08,666 --> 01:30:10,416
what's your message to her?
1406
01:30:14,791 --> 01:30:16,666
I don't have a message for her
1407
01:30:16,666 --> 01:30:19,375
because I have to have...
1408
01:30:19,375 --> 01:30:21,416
She gives him every chance.
1409
01:30:21,416 --> 01:30:24,750
And if somebody's going to make
these sorts of allegations...
1410
01:30:24,750 --> 01:30:27,750
[notification alerts chiming]
1411
01:30:27,750 --> 01:30:32,208
[Andrew] We try and uphold
the highest standards and practices,
1412
01:30:32,208 --> 01:30:35,625
and, um, I let the side down,
simple as that.
1413
01:30:36,333 --> 01:30:37,166
Christ's sake.
1414
01:30:42,041 --> 01:30:43,208
{\an8}[phone chiming, vibrating]
1415
01:30:43,208 --> 01:30:45,458
{\an8}[Emily] ...you feel you'd like to say...
1416
01:30:46,208 --> 01:30:47,500
that has been left unsaid?
1417
01:30:48,833 --> 01:30:50,833
[notification alerts chiming]
1418
01:30:51,458 --> 01:30:53,333
[Andrew] No, I don't think so.
1419
01:30:53,333 --> 01:30:58,625
You probably dragged out of me
most of what's required.
1420
01:31:01,250 --> 01:31:03,250
[pensive music builds slowly]
1421
01:31:08,875 --> 01:31:10,500
[Lucas] We're gonna sit up front, Mum.
1422
01:31:59,583 --> 01:32:01,416
[music fades out]
1423
01:32:01,416 --> 01:32:03,500
[clock ticking]
1424
01:32:12,041 --> 01:32:14,041
[footsteps approaching]
1425
01:32:15,041 --> 01:32:16,333
Your Royal Highness.
1426
01:32:19,958 --> 01:32:21,125
[Andrew] Mm.
1427
01:32:26,166 --> 01:32:28,166
[gentle music plays softly]
1428
01:32:30,583 --> 01:32:32,500
[clicking, whirring]
1429
01:32:35,041 --> 01:32:36,666
- [cameras clicking]
- [man 1] Amanda!
1430
01:32:36,666 --> 01:32:38,333
[man 2] Amanda, a quick statement.
1431
01:32:38,333 --> 01:32:39,958
[all clamoring]
1432
01:32:39,958 --> 01:32:42,041
[indistinct overlapping shouting]
1433
01:32:46,583 --> 01:32:47,958
Would you like to comment?
1434
01:32:47,958 --> 01:32:49,625
[clicking, whirring]
1435
01:33:04,166 --> 01:33:07,333
The Palace have just released
a statement from the Duke of York.
1436
01:33:08,958 --> 01:33:11,625
"I have asked Her Majesty
if I may step back
1437
01:33:12,416 --> 01:33:14,666
from public duties
for the foreseeable future,
1438
01:33:14,666 --> 01:33:16,458
and she has given me her permission."
1439
01:33:19,208 --> 01:33:21,041
"I continue to unequivocally regret
1440
01:33:21,041 --> 01:33:23,916
my ill-judged association
with Jeffrey Epstein."
1441
01:33:24,541 --> 01:33:27,958
"His suicide has left
many unanswered questions,
1442
01:33:27,958 --> 01:33:29,791
particularly for his victims."
1443
01:33:31,958 --> 01:33:35,583
"I can only hope that in time,
they will be able to rebuild their lives."
1444
01:33:41,291 --> 01:33:42,833
This is what Newsnight is.
1445
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:47,375
We put the time in...
to get the stories other shows won't.
1446
01:33:49,875 --> 01:33:51,583
Stories that need to be told,
1447
01:33:52,708 --> 01:33:53,875
that people care about,
1448
01:33:54,708 --> 01:33:56,416
hold the powerful to account
1449
01:33:56,416 --> 01:33:58,666
and give victims a voice.
1450
01:33:58,666 --> 01:34:01,083
[all clapping]
1451
01:34:02,083 --> 01:34:03,208
Thank you.
1452
01:34:03,208 --> 01:34:04,208
[chuckles softly]
1453
01:34:10,458 --> 01:34:12,458
[indistinct overlapping chatter]
1454
01:34:46,083 --> 01:34:47,500
Two lamb shawarma.
1455
01:34:47,500 --> 01:34:48,458
The usual.
1456
01:34:48,458 --> 01:34:49,375
Thanks. [chuckles]
1457
01:34:49,375 --> 01:34:52,666
You seen this?
Love to be there when they filmed that!
1458
01:34:57,166 --> 01:34:58,541
Yeah, I did. I saw it.
1459
01:35:01,166 --> 01:35:02,291
- Thanks.
- Bye.
1460
01:35:05,541 --> 01:35:07,541
[energetic pensive music playing]
1461
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:05,000
{\an8}[pulsing pensive music builds]
1462
01:39:57,166 --> 01:39:59,166
[energetic music plays]
1463
01:40:32,041 --> 01:40:34,250
[music trails off]