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<i>This is a show trial,</i>

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<i>and we're gonna show
all that in there.</i>

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All lies, all lies.
This is a kangaroo court,

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this is political action,
it's a witch hunt.

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I'll be back later.

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<i>It's about
the damage that was done to me.</i>

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<i>Jones was repeating these lies.</i>

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I was accused of being part
of a government conspiracy.

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None of it's true.

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<i>All I did was lose my son.</i>

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<i>He was brutally murdered
and shot and killed</i>

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<i>in his first-grade classroom.</i>

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And I have to deal
with this abuse

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by a loudmouth with a blowhorn?

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All rise.

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459th District Court
is now in session.

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The Honorable Judge
Maya Guerra Gamble presiding.

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<i>Alex Jones
chose to continue to seed</i>

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<i>and perpetrate lies
that Sandy Hook never happened.</i>

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Making shit up.

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I mean, it's-- it's fake.

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I... The whole thing is just...

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<i>That's how
Alex Jones runs his empire,</i>

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and I think that that needs
to be stopped.

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This is Neil and Scarlett.

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Mr. Jones has robbed
Neil and Scarlett

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of the time they needed to heal

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over the violent death
of their son, Jesse.

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<i>People thought of Infowars
as a fringe organization.</i>

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<i>But at the height of its powers,</i>

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more people
were watching Infowars

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at any given time than CNN.

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What you have to remember
is that Mr. Jones for ten years

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intentionally lied
that the shooting was fake

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or a government-led plot.

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This is the most egregious
case of defamation

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in American history.

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Mr. Jones has been canceled.

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And I believe
in every American's right

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to choose what they listen to
and what they believe.

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<i>It's got to be known
that Alex Jones is a liar.</i>

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If it came to a knock-down,
drag-out fight

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<i>in the Travis County Courthouse,
that's what it's gonna be.</i>

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I do.

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Alex Jones will meet me
face to face.

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<i>Hello, Austin, Texas.
I'm Alex Jones,</i>

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<i>and you're watching</i>
Exposing Mass Media.

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<i>That's what
we've got to talk about.</i>

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I've got quite a few programs
that you'll see live

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here on Austin Community
Access Centre.

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The simple way
the world works, okay?

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<i>We always looked up to him.</i>

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The guy that started out,
you know, 22 years old

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in public access television.

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When I fear something,
I go after it!

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Makeup, lovey, makeup.

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<i>Public Access in Austin</i>

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<i>is a bit of a cultural
phenomenon unto itself,</i>

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<i>and it's one of the oldest
in the country.</i>

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You know,
there was a lot of freedom

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to the programming
that was available,

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but it was shared
all over the US.

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You're on the air.

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<i>There was guys
that would come on there</i>

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<i>and talk about serious
political issues</i>

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with a toilet bowl ring
wrapped around their neck.

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Now, there's somebody
a lot smarter than I am, see?

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I wouldn't say in all of it
being conspiratorial,

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but it was a very
free-thinking forum.

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Hail Satan.

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Righteously, mother--

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I come on public access
and hang out.

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I'm on 24 hours a day, they say.

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<i>Yeah, very-- pretty close.</i>

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Well, I can assure you
I don't make any money

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off public access.

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But Alex eventually stood out
as he got thicker skin.

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It hasn't stopped!

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<i>His ability to capture
that audience, it's impressive.</i>

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You watched
because you didn't know

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what the guy was gonna
say next. You didn't know.

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We love you,
we're the government.

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<i>That's what scares me.</i>

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We're smiling-faced bureaucrats.
Ooh!

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He was fucking hilarious, man.

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<i>He would rant and rave,</i>

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<i>and there'd be times
when he'd blow up</i>

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<i>and get red faced
and started spitting.</i>

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It was absolutely hilarious,
entertaining as hell.

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I'm sorry for you.

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The thing that really
caught my attention

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<i>was when he was pointing out
that there was fluoride</i>

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<i>in the baby water.</i>

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'Cause he's like,
"Oh, they're putting fluoride,

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the poison into the baby water.
Oh! Just for the baby."

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<i>He'd do his entire antics.
And it caught my attention.</i>

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I was like, "Yeah,
why are they putting fluoride

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in the baby water?"

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I don't want to see
the baby get poisoned, you know.

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It's hard to be an awake person.

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I was totally hooked.

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Look at this.

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<i>My friend leaned
over to me, and he was like,</i>

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"You know, if you've ever looked
at your toothpaste,

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and it says, if you swallow
more than a pea-sized amount,

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call Poison Control.

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Why do you think they put that
in the water supply?"

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"No idea, I don't know."

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And he's like,
"Well, it's mind control."

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<i>We have been predicting</i>

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this nightmarish development

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for years.

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<i>Either the government
actually carried out</i>

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<i>this bombing themselves,</i>

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<i>or, ladies and gentlemen,
they allowed terrorists</i>

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<i>to engage in this
sinister activity.</i>

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<i>He started getting a following.</i>

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And I think after 9/11,

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his-- his listenership
and audience grew.

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<i>Look at that,
ladies and gentlemen.</i>

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<i>Look at it drop from demolitions
in the bottom.</i>

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<i>He'd gone from local broadcast</i>

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<i>to national broadcast.</i>

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<i>He became four hours a day,
six days a week.</i>

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There was never a...

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"Hey, here's
the production meeting

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in the morning."

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<i>It was as organic
as you could get.</i>

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<i>I came in, two, three hours
before everyone else,</i>

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<i>and started printing
news stories.</i>

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There was one stack
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Boom.
And he would just freeform.

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Here's the headline.

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"Fukushima radioactive wave
has already hit California."

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It's taken two plus years
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I mean, it was like
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He got an idea,
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to go do it right then.

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<i>It was, "You're going to drive</i>

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<i>all along the coast
of California and do a reading.</i>

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<i>And post a video, immediately."</i>

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They're doing their various
readings at this moment.

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And from what I'm told,

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Adan, we still have
15 microrems, is that correct?

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We found, specifically,

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that there were not
high radiation levels.

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We get a call and they're like,
"Jones is furious.

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Stop posting these videos
saying that

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<i>there aren't high levels
of radiation in California."</i>

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<i>Radiation levels
have more than doubled</i>

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<i>in the last 60 years and...</i>

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<i>Jones started selling</i>

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<i>his first privately labeled
supplement.</i>

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<i>Infowars Life,
which was an iodine supplement.</i>

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Talking about Fukushima,
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that I've only taken it
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I take it twice a day
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He somehow turned
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into a need for a supplement.

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<i>When Jones started getting
so mad at us</i>

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<i>for posting those videos,</i>

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it was, "Oh, okay.

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We did come here
to sell a product."

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<i>The government will not tell you</i>

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that during increased
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you need more iodine
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They will not tell you this.

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Did we think
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Yeah, it was obvious.

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<i>On that Friday morning,</i>

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<i>I hear little footsteps
running up behind me.</i>

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<i>And it's little Daniel.</i>

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<i>We got on this couch
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I said, "You know,
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You have time if you wanna
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and sleep a little more."

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And he said, "No, Dad,
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We'll have time
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And Daniel says,
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the reflection
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in the window with that
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So, I said,
"You know what? You're right,

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I'm going to go get the camera."

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<i>I have a picture
of that sunrise that morning</i>

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<i>with the Christmas tree lights
reflecting in the window.</i>

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And I really wish
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and taken a picture of him.

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<i>For our church,
we were preparing for this</i>

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big Christmas party
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and they were doing
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And Emilie was going to be
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She was awake and she was
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waiting for seven o'clock
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I got a chance to just
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and give her a hug and tell her
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and that wasn't something
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before I went to work.

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<i>"Come on, Jess.
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<i>and get ready to go to school."</i>

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<i>He got up and, um...</i>

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was poking around,
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<i>And my mind was contemplating</i>

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<i>whether to send him
to school that day.</i>

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<i>But it was class project day.</i>

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<i>We were each going to make
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The only reason
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we were supposed to make
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I really--
I think often about that.

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<i>And I walked him
into the school.</i>

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<i>He was holding my hand</i>

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<i>and he darted
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And that was the last I saw him.
Alive, anyway.

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<i>Forty-five minutes later,</i>

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<i>we started to get
the text messages.</i>

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<i>Unfortunately, sometimes,</i>

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<i>when evil walks in your door,</i>

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<i>and you only have
a short amount of time,</i>

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<i>there wasn't much
that they could do.</i>

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<i>His first shooting
is the eight rounds</i>

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<i>that he shoots
through that window</i>

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<i>at the front of the building.</i>

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<i>He then makes entrance
into the lobby.</i>

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<i>Upon hearing the commotion,
the school principal,</i>

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Dawn Hochsprung, gets up
and heads to the door.

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She tells her people
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uh, but they don't listen
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Mary Sherlach, the psychologist,
is actually right on her heels.

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<i>And they start to make their way
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<i>towards the lobby,
when they're shot and killed.</i>

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<i>Newtown 911, what's
the location of your emergency?</i>

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<i>Sandy Hook school.
I think somebody's got a gun.</i>

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<i>I caught a glimpse of somebody.</i>

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<i>They're running
down the hallway.</i>

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<i>The first 911 call,</i>

237
00:12:11.564 --> 00:12:14.693
<i>I estimate that that's probably
about a minute and a half</i>

238
00:12:14.693 --> 00:12:17.195
<i>after the shooting
actually begins.</i>

239
00:12:17.195 --> 00:12:18.655
<i>We're in the classroom,</i>

240
00:12:18.655 --> 00:12:22.033
<i>and my children are just scared,
and we wanted to know an update.</i>

241
00:12:24.869 --> 00:12:26.371
<i>He continues
down the hallway,</i>

242
00:12:26.371 --> 00:12:30.208
and I believe that
the first room that he goes into

243
00:12:30.208 --> 00:12:32.210
is classroom ten.

244
00:12:32.210 --> 00:12:35.547
<i>And some of them
start to react and move.</i>

245
00:12:35.547 --> 00:12:37.340
It's more difficult
than it looks like

246
00:12:37.340 --> 00:12:39.551
to actually shoot somebody,

247
00:12:39.551 --> 00:12:41.845
especially somebody
that's moving.

248
00:12:44.305 --> 00:12:46.891
<i>There are several students
that are able to escape</i>

249
00:12:47.434 --> 00:12:48.435
<i>from that room.</i>

250
00:12:50.603 --> 00:12:53.648
<i>In each one of these classrooms
there's a small bathroom,</i>

251
00:12:53.648 --> 00:12:56.985
and two of the students actually
take up hiding in the bathroom.

252
00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:02.615
He shoots and kills the teacher,
Victoria Soto,

253
00:13:02.615 --> 00:13:06.411
and the teacher's aide,
Anne Marie Murphy.

254
00:13:06.411 --> 00:13:09.873
Uh, Anne Marie
was still clutching the student

255
00:13:09.873 --> 00:13:12.334
that she took care of,
Dylan Hockley,

256
00:13:13.043 --> 00:13:14.336
who was also killed.

257
00:13:15.420 --> 00:13:21.092
And he also killed Jesse Lewis,
Avielle Richman,

258
00:13:22.135 --> 00:13:25.847
Allison Wyatt, and Olivia Engel.

259
00:13:26.931 --> 00:13:29.642
I then believe
that he leaves classroom ten

260
00:13:29.642 --> 00:13:31.269
and goes into classroom eight.

261
00:13:32.771 --> 00:13:35.732
<i>And again, now by this time,</i>

262
00:13:35.732 --> 00:13:38.526
<i>this classroom has the ability
to have reacted,</i>

263
00:13:38.526 --> 00:13:41.571
<i>to gather into what they believe
would be a safe location.</i>

264
00:13:41.571 --> 00:13:44.282
<i>In this case, they've chosen
that very small bathroom</i>

265
00:13:44.282 --> 00:13:48.828
<i>that's in the far-left corner
of their classroom.</i>

266
00:13:48.828 --> 00:13:52.832
All the kids are able
to get into that bathroom,

267
00:13:52.832 --> 00:13:54.209
but the two adults aren't

268
00:13:54.209 --> 00:13:56.628
and they're standing
just outside.

269
00:13:56.628 --> 00:13:58.713
And when he walks in there,

270
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he shoots and kills
the substitute teacher,

271
00:14:01.841 --> 00:14:03.468
Lauren Rousseau,

272
00:14:03.468 --> 00:14:06.554
and the behavior specialist
that was in that room,

273
00:14:06.554 --> 00:14:07.931
Rachel D'Avino.

274
00:14:07.931 --> 00:14:11.059
They both gave their lives
trying to protect those kids.

275
00:14:13.603 --> 00:14:18.525
And he also kills
Daniel Barden, Charlotte Bacon,

276
00:14:19.943 --> 00:14:24.030
Josephine Gay, Madeleine Hsu,

277
00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:29.327
Catherine Hubbard,
Chase Kowalski,

278
00:14:30.912 --> 00:14:35.041
James Mattioli,
Ana Marquez-Greene,

279
00:14:36.543 --> 00:14:40.422
Grace McDonnell, Jack Pinto,

280
00:14:42.257 --> 00:14:46.636
Noah Pozner, Caroline Previdi,

281
00:14:48.013 --> 00:14:52.267
Emilie Parker, Jessica Rekos,

282
00:14:53.518 --> 00:14:54.894
and Benjamin Wheeler.

283
00:14:56.104 --> 00:14:58.398
There's... There's one survivor

284
00:14:58.398 --> 00:15:01.192
in that group of kids
that are in the bathroom,

285
00:15:01.192 --> 00:15:05.113
and she just, miraculously,
was not struck.

286
00:15:08.700 --> 00:15:12.037
<i>I believe in that room
he fires about 80 rounds.</i>

287
00:15:13.538 --> 00:15:17.667
<i>They're aimed shots
at extremely close range.</i>

288
00:15:17.667 --> 00:15:20.712
He's squeezing
the trigger rapidly.

289
00:15:24.382 --> 00:15:26.926
<i>Then I believe that he actually
then walks back</i>

290
00:15:26.926 --> 00:15:28.136
<i>to classroom ten.</i>

291
00:15:28.136 --> 00:15:32.057
<i>He's fired two rounds
with the 10mm,</i>

292
00:15:32.057 --> 00:15:35.935
one goes up into the ceiling
and he puts the suicide shot

293
00:15:35.935 --> 00:15:37.228
into his head.

294
00:15:38.772 --> 00:15:43.026
<i>From when he starts shooting
to when he commits suicide,</i>

295
00:15:43.026 --> 00:15:45.570
<i>the whole incident ends up
being about six minutes.</i>

296
00:15:54.204 --> 00:15:55.372
<i>Good morning.</i>

297
00:15:55.372 --> 00:15:59.876
<i>Uh, this message
is for Sandy Hook parents only.</i>

298
00:15:59.876 --> 00:16:03.338
<i>At this time, if you have not
already done so,</i>

299
00:16:03.338 --> 00:16:06.758
<i>you may go
to the Sandy Hook firehouse</i>

300
00:16:06.758 --> 00:16:08.593
<i>and pick up your child.</i>

301
00:16:08.593 --> 00:16:13.139
<i>All other Newtown schools
remain in lockdown.</i>

302
00:16:13.723 --> 00:16:14.724
<i>Thank you.</i>

303
00:16:16.351 --> 00:16:18.561
<i>Nothing can ever
happen to your child...</i>

304
00:16:20.438 --> 00:16:23.274
so I really wasn't even
that worried, frankly.

305
00:16:25.151 --> 00:16:27.237
<i>I walked to the firehouse first.</i>

306
00:16:28.446 --> 00:16:30.990
And then, by that time,
Scarlett had gotten there

307
00:16:30.990 --> 00:16:33.368
and we-- we still
couldn't find Jesse.

308
00:16:35.078 --> 00:16:36.287
<i>I walked up to somebody</i>

309
00:16:36.287 --> 00:16:38.081
<i>official-looking in a uniform,</i>

310
00:16:38.081 --> 00:16:41.459
<i>and I said, "I'm looking
for my son, Jesse Lewis."</i>

311
00:16:41.459 --> 00:16:42.961
<i>They said,
"If you can't find him,</i>

312
00:16:42.961 --> 00:16:44.587
<i>put his name down on a list."</i>

313
00:16:45.255 --> 00:16:46.840
There was a long list,

314
00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:48.717
and never in a million years
did I think

315
00:16:48.717 --> 00:16:50.593
that all of those people
were dead.

316
00:16:52.220 --> 00:16:54.681
<i>A police officer walked up to me
and said,</i>

317
00:16:54.681 --> 00:16:57.767
<i>"Did Jesse have any
identifying marks on his body?"</i>

318
00:17:01.604 --> 00:17:05.150
And... he did.

319
00:17:05.150 --> 00:17:08.319
He had a little mole
on the top of his right foot.

320
00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:12.157
So,
I thought to myself...

321
00:17:14.743 --> 00:17:16.119
"That's not a good sign."

322
00:17:26.171 --> 00:17:27.839
<i>And it must have been
around three o'clock,</i>

323
00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:34.137
<i>I remember Governor Malloy
getting up, making a speech.</i>

324
00:17:34.971 --> 00:17:36.639
I remember speaking up, saying,

325
00:17:36.639 --> 00:17:40.101
"Are there any survivors
left in the school?

326
00:17:40.852 --> 00:17:44.105
Is anybody alive
that is missing?"

327
00:17:45.023 --> 00:17:46.358
And he didn't answer
the question,

328
00:17:46.358 --> 00:17:48.360
and I asked it a couple of times

329
00:17:48.360 --> 00:17:50.320
and he finally said--
put his head down

330
00:17:50.320 --> 00:17:53.615
and said,
"No, there's no survivors."

331
00:18:00.538 --> 00:18:03.667
<i>I was able to see him
before we cremated him.</i>

332
00:18:04.668 --> 00:18:06.378
<i>And they instructed me,</i>

333
00:18:06.378 --> 00:18:10.590
you know, um, "Don't touch him
except for his hands

334
00:18:10.590 --> 00:18:14.052
because you won't like
what you feel."

335
00:18:14.052 --> 00:18:18.264
He was, um, in the arms
of Anne Marie,

336
00:18:18.264 --> 00:18:19.724
his special education assistant.

337
00:18:19.724 --> 00:18:22.185
They said the way
that their bodies were found,

338
00:18:22.185 --> 00:18:25.355
him on his back with the knees
and her arms around him,

339
00:18:25.355 --> 00:18:27.816
that she had been trying
to protect him.

340
00:18:27.816 --> 00:18:29.234
I know from the autopsy report

341
00:18:29.234 --> 00:18:33.238
that some of, um,
the fragments from her body

342
00:18:33.238 --> 00:18:35.240
were actually lodged into his,

343
00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:37.200
because of the impact
of the bullets.

344
00:18:42.455 --> 00:18:45.458
<i>I held his hand for hours...</i>

345
00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:49.838
until it got warm.

346
00:18:51.715 --> 00:18:54.759
It-- it almost felt
like a live hand,

347
00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:56.970
and I looked at the fingernails,

348
00:18:56.970 --> 00:18:59.764
and the fingernails
still had dirt...

349
00:18:59.764 --> 00:19:01.474
...under them.

350
00:19:05.270 --> 00:19:06.896
<i>He was in the funeral home.</i>

351
00:19:08.189 --> 00:19:11.276
<i>His face was, um,
covered with a cloth</i>

352
00:19:11.276 --> 00:19:13.695
<i>from his nose down.</i>

353
00:19:14.696 --> 00:19:16.948
<i>We were told
that he has an injury there,</i>

354
00:19:16.948 --> 00:19:21.161
<i>and it's better to keep
a cloth over his mouth.</i>

355
00:19:22.454 --> 00:19:24.831
I kissed his forehead,
and it was very cold,

356
00:19:25.749 --> 00:19:29.753
and not the same sensation

357
00:19:29.753 --> 00:19:31.838
as the thousands of times

358
00:19:31.838 --> 00:19:33.298
I've kissed him
on his forehead,

359
00:19:33.298 --> 00:19:36.301
so it was... um...

360
00:19:38.553 --> 00:19:39.554
very shocking.

361
00:19:41.514 --> 00:19:43.308
<i>...defeated the Goblin,</i>

362
00:19:43.308 --> 00:19:46.353
and the Goblin was still...

363
00:19:46.353 --> 00:19:47.812
he was fighting back
and still alive...

364
00:19:47.812 --> 00:19:52.317
<i>He had
just turned six, and, um...</i>

365
00:19:55.070 --> 00:19:56.404
<i>I would hear him.</i>

366
00:19:57.655 --> 00:19:59.824
<i>I would see him
out of the corner of my eye,</i>

367
00:19:59.824 --> 00:20:01.576
<i>but he was never really there.</i>

368
00:20:06.456 --> 00:20:09.084
And I just kind of willed myself

369
00:20:09.084 --> 00:20:12.337
to see him running in the snow

370
00:20:12.337 --> 00:20:15.382
with his jacket on,
coming towards the house...

371
00:20:16.424 --> 00:20:18.843
...and telling me
that he had gotten away...

372
00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:22.806
from the shooter.

373
00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:30.438
<i>Ladies and gentlemen,
it is Friday.</i>

374
00:20:30.438 --> 00:20:33.733
<i>Thank you so much
for joining us the 14th day</i>

375
00:20:33.733 --> 00:20:36.695
<i>of December 2012,</i>

376
00:20:36.695 --> 00:20:40.156
and there is a reported
school shooting in Connecticut,

377
00:20:40.156 --> 00:20:43.368
one of the states
that has draconian restrictions

378
00:20:43.368 --> 00:20:45.662
on gun ownership.

379
00:20:45.662 --> 00:20:47.872
Mr. Jones, I want
to show you some video clips

380
00:20:47.872 --> 00:20:52.210
of some things you were saying
as news broke of Sandy Hook.

381
00:20:52.210 --> 00:20:55.714
And in a video that day
that you titled

382
00:20:55.714 --> 00:21:00.218
"Connecticut School Massacre
Looks Like False Flag,

383
00:21:00.218 --> 00:21:01.553
Says Witnesses."

384
00:21:01.553 --> 00:21:04.222
Can you play the clip
"Day of Sandy Hook"?

385
00:21:06.349 --> 00:21:09.519
And I said, "They are going
to come after our guns,

386
00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:11.312
look for mass shootings,"

387
00:21:11.312 --> 00:21:13.398
and then magically it happens.

388
00:21:13.398 --> 00:21:15.775
They are coming.
They are coming.

389
00:21:15.775 --> 00:21:16.943
They are coming.

390
00:21:16.943 --> 00:21:19.571
You were
the first person in the world

391
00:21:19.571 --> 00:21:22.240
to make the false flag theory
about Sandy Hook,

392
00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:24.826
and you did it before the bodies
were even cold.

393
00:21:24.826 --> 00:21:25.744
That's the truth.

394
00:21:25.744 --> 00:21:27.412
-Objection.
- No, it's not true.

395
00:21:29.247 --> 00:21:30.874
This is staged.

396
00:21:30.874 --> 00:21:32.667
And you know I've been saying
the last few months,

397
00:21:32.667 --> 00:21:34.711
get ready for big
mass shootings.

398
00:21:36.546 --> 00:21:38.340
From the very beginning,

399
00:21:39.424 --> 00:21:41.259
Sandy Hook parents
have been asking you

400
00:21:41.259 --> 00:21:42.844
to leave them alone, right?

401
00:21:45.430 --> 00:21:47.640
I don't remember that
from the very beginning, no.

402
00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:48.850
Okay.

403
00:21:58.318 --> 00:21:59.778
<i>It's just weird as a human being</i>

404
00:21:59.778 --> 00:22:01.905
<i>to be in a position
where you feel like</i>

405
00:22:01.905 --> 00:22:04.783
<i>you have zero hope
for anything anymore.</i>

406
00:22:05.867 --> 00:22:07.327
<i>I just didn't know
how to respond,</i>

407
00:22:07.327 --> 00:22:09.120
<i>we didn't know how to react.</i>

408
00:22:09.120 --> 00:22:11.373
<i>Within hours,
on the first night,</i>

409
00:22:11.373 --> 00:22:13.458
<i>I remember getting phone calls
from reporters,</i>

410
00:22:13.458 --> 00:22:15.001
<i>and so I turned my phone off.</i>

411
00:22:16.628 --> 00:22:17.962
But I keep getting calls.

412
00:22:17.962 --> 00:22:21.758
And so, I decided
that they weren't going to stop

413
00:22:21.758 --> 00:22:23.802
until they found
somebody to talk to.

414
00:22:23.802 --> 00:22:26.638
And so, I decided that
the best thing to do

415
00:22:26.638 --> 00:22:28.640
was for me to give a statement,

416
00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:32.310
because I figured
if I gave them something

417
00:22:32.310 --> 00:22:34.187
that they could chew on
for a while,

418
00:22:34.187 --> 00:22:35.480
then they would leave us alone.

419
00:22:43.738 --> 00:22:45.198
<i>The shooting was on Friday.</i>

420
00:22:45.198 --> 00:22:47.033
<i>Saturday evening,
I gave the statement.</i>

421
00:22:50.662 --> 00:22:52.414
<i>I'd never done
something like this.</i>

422
00:22:52.414 --> 00:22:53.873
<i>All these bright lights
are on me,</i>

423
00:22:53.873 --> 00:22:54.874
<i>and I can't see anybody,</i>

424
00:22:54.874 --> 00:22:57.210
<i>and I just was kind of confused
and nervous,</i>

425
00:22:57.210 --> 00:22:59.629
<i>and just kind of gave
this laugh, like,</i>

426
00:22:59.629 --> 00:23:01.089
<i>"I don't know what to do here."</i>

427
00:23:05.135 --> 00:23:06.302
So, I've never done this before.

428
00:23:06.302 --> 00:23:07.512
Do you guys
just want me to start?

429
00:23:07.512 --> 00:23:09.347
-Yeah.
- Okay.

430
00:23:21.151 --> 00:23:22.485
So, my name's Robbie Parker.

431
00:23:24.195 --> 00:23:29.826
My family is one of the families
that lost a child yesterday

432
00:23:29.826 --> 00:23:32.412
in the Sandy Hook
Elementary School shootings

433
00:23:32.412 --> 00:23:33.663
here in Connecticut.

434
00:23:33.663 --> 00:23:36.374
<i>I just wanted to share
about who my daughter was.</i>

435
00:23:36.374 --> 00:23:39.961
I had prepared something
that I wanted to share,

436
00:23:39.961 --> 00:23:42.881
and so... I shared it.

437
00:23:44.632 --> 00:23:48.803
Emilie was bright, creative,
and very loving.

438
00:23:48.803 --> 00:23:51.014
Emilie was always willing
to try new things,

439
00:23:51.931 --> 00:23:52.932
other than food.

440
00:23:54.017 --> 00:23:56.186
There was no way
I could have done that.

441
00:23:56.186 --> 00:23:58.772
It was really hard
for him to do that.

442
00:23:58.772 --> 00:24:03.902
And he did it because of her,
because he was her father.

443
00:24:05.695 --> 00:24:07.322
<i>He wanted the world to know</i>

444
00:24:07.322 --> 00:24:09.783
<i>that she was not
just this victim,</i>

445
00:24:09.783 --> 00:24:12.243
<i>that she was this amazing kid.</i>

446
00:24:15.872 --> 00:24:19.084
That's when our world
turned upside down again.

447
00:24:20.293 --> 00:24:22.003
We're going to, um...

448
00:24:23.421 --> 00:24:26.257
play a clip from
a CNN press conference

449
00:24:26.257 --> 00:24:27.759
with Robbie Parker.

450
00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:30.428
It started...
Yeah, it started less than

451
00:24:30.428 --> 00:24:31.888
48 hours after the shooting,

452
00:24:31.888 --> 00:24:35.725
and then it just grew
exponentially from there.

453
00:24:37.018 --> 00:24:39.562
<i>And then he walks up
like he's an actor,</i>

454
00:24:39.562 --> 00:24:41.690
and then breaks down on camera.

455
00:24:42.732 --> 00:24:44.943
I mean, it's like,
"Ha ha ha, yeah, ha.

456
00:24:44.943 --> 00:24:48.071
Oh, I read this card? Okay."

457
00:24:48.071 --> 00:24:51.741
I mean, it's like, "Whoa! Whoa!"

458
00:24:51.741 --> 00:24:54.953
<i>He does look
like a soap opera actor.</i>

459
00:24:58.832 --> 00:25:00.667
<i>So, he's really smiling
and looks happy,</i>

460
00:25:00.667 --> 00:25:02.127
<i>and all of a sudden, suddenly...</i>

461
00:25:04.045 --> 00:25:05.463
<i>It looks totally fake.</i>

462
00:25:05.463 --> 00:25:06.756
This video is unbelievable.

463
00:25:06.756 --> 00:25:08.758
We're just gonna post
the video...

464
00:25:09.634 --> 00:25:10.969
and let you decide
what you think.

465
00:25:10.969 --> 00:25:14.055
He needs to-- I mean, maybe
he should explain it to us.

466
00:25:14.055 --> 00:25:15.974
We need to analyze
all these videos now.

467
00:25:15.974 --> 00:25:17.517
Heaven help us,
ladies and gentlemen.

468
00:25:17.517 --> 00:25:18.727
Heaven help us.

469
00:25:18.727 --> 00:25:20.645
I've never seen
anything like that.

470
00:25:22.605 --> 00:25:25.025
<i>It got vile very, very quickly.</i>

471
00:25:26.735 --> 00:25:30.864
<i>Emilie's Memorial Facebook page
became inundated.</i>

472
00:25:30.864 --> 00:25:32.574
<i>Like, "Fuck you, motherfucker."</i>

473
00:25:32.574 --> 00:25:35.160
<i>And "I have your email,
I know where you live.</i>

474
00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:36.244
<i>I have a gun."</i>

475
00:25:37.162 --> 00:25:38.455
<i>We would get emails.</i>

476
00:25:38.455 --> 00:25:41.332
<i>We would get letters
sent to our home,</i>

477
00:25:41.332 --> 00:25:42.751
<i>threatening us.</i>

478
00:25:43.835 --> 00:25:47.422
You know, just saying all sorts
of horrible things.

479
00:25:47.422 --> 00:25:50.175
You know,
that Emilie was a whore,

480
00:25:50.175 --> 00:25:52.719
that Emilie was alive.

481
00:25:52.719 --> 00:25:55.847
Totally stomped on and trashed

482
00:25:55.847 --> 00:25:57.349
<i>the memory
of the six-year-old girl</i>

483
00:25:57.349 --> 00:26:01.269
<i>who had done nothing in her life
to deserve any of that.</i>

484
00:26:04.356 --> 00:26:06.024
<i>You know, I would see it
and I would just delete it,</i>

485
00:26:06.024 --> 00:26:07.567
<i>I would see it
and I would delete it,</i>

486
00:26:07.567 --> 00:26:09.652
<i>because I didn't want
to expose myself to it.</i>

487
00:26:11.363 --> 00:26:13.990
It was everywhere.

488
00:26:15.283 --> 00:26:18.787
<i>Websites set up to destroy him.</i>

489
00:26:19.371 --> 00:26:22.207
<i>"Liar. Actor."</i>

490
00:26:22.207 --> 00:26:26.044
<i>I remember getting on YouTube,
it wouldn't stop.</i>

491
00:26:26.044 --> 00:26:29.089
<i>I could scroll and scroll
and just keep scrolling,</i>

492
00:26:29.089 --> 00:26:32.884
<i>video after video after video
of him just being mocked.</i>

493
00:26:34.302 --> 00:26:39.724
It got to the point where it was
controlling my life in a way.

494
00:26:39.724 --> 00:26:42.394
You got parents laughing,
going "Ha ha ha! Watch this!"

495
00:26:42.394 --> 00:26:43.561
and then going...

496
00:26:43.561 --> 00:26:45.897
<i>Method acting, going...</i>

497
00:26:45.897 --> 00:26:48.650
<i>"Oh, my child!"</i>

498
00:26:48.650 --> 00:26:51.027
I mean, it's just ridiculous.

499
00:26:54.948 --> 00:26:56.616
<i>I remember the funeral.</i>

500
00:26:58.493 --> 00:27:00.870
<i>I went into a state of shock.</i>

501
00:27:00.870 --> 00:27:03.415
<i>I was just on autopilot.</i>

502
00:27:03.415 --> 00:27:06.918
On Monday, there was a funeral
for six-year-old Noah Pozner.

503
00:27:06.918 --> 00:27:09.462
I spoke with Noah's mother,
Veronique Pozner,

504
00:27:09.462 --> 00:27:10.714
just a short time ago...

505
00:27:10.714 --> 00:27:13.299
<i>I know that I did an interview</i>

506
00:27:13.299 --> 00:27:14.509
<i>with Anderson Cooper</i>

507
00:27:14.509 --> 00:27:17.929
because it was
the autopilot part of me

508
00:27:17.929 --> 00:27:21.349
that kind of wanted
to convey what just happened.

509
00:27:21.349 --> 00:27:23.476
I'm grieving, that's all.

510
00:27:23.476 --> 00:27:25.061
- Like we all are.
- Yeah.

511
00:27:25.061 --> 00:27:26.730
- I wish you strength...
- Thank you.

512
00:27:26.730 --> 00:27:28.356
- ...and peace in the days ahead.
- Thank you.

513
00:27:28.356 --> 00:27:31.609
- I know it's hard. Yeah.
- Thank you.
I'm going to need it. Thank you.

514
00:27:31.609 --> 00:27:33.778
Now, a lot
of the tens of millions

515
00:27:33.778 --> 00:27:35.655
of video views on YouTube

516
00:27:35.655 --> 00:27:40.118
concerning the Sandy Hook hoax

517
00:27:40.785 --> 00:27:42.537
surround CNN.

518
00:27:43.955 --> 00:27:47.792
<i>I saw this footage
where Anderson Cooper turns.</i>

519
00:27:47.792 --> 00:27:50.670
<i>He's supposedly there
at Sandy Hook</i>

520
00:27:50.670 --> 00:27:52.255
<i>in front of the memorial,</i>

521
00:27:52.255 --> 00:27:54.799
and his whole forehead
and nose blurs out.

522
00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:57.552
I've been working
with blue screen for 17 years.

523
00:27:57.552 --> 00:27:58.887
<i>I know what it looks like.</i>

524
00:27:58.887 --> 00:28:01.139
It's clearly blue screen.

525
00:28:01.139 --> 00:28:04.142
Somehow, that was a proof
that we were not actually

526
00:28:04.142 --> 00:28:07.437
at that locale
and that image of the town hall

527
00:28:07.437 --> 00:28:09.689
was being
artificially projected.

528
00:28:09.689 --> 00:28:12.484
But the fact that this
whole thing could be staged,

529
00:28:12.484 --> 00:28:14.444
it's just mind-blowing.

530
00:28:14.444 --> 00:28:18.323
<i>It was a digital motion
glitch in the video,</i>

531
00:28:18.323 --> 00:28:21.951
and that glitch doesn't exist
in the original video.

532
00:28:21.951 --> 00:28:25.830
That only exists in the hoaxer
version of the video.

533
00:28:30.502 --> 00:28:31.711
<i>Something though,</i>

534
00:28:31.711 --> 00:28:34.130
<i>is really starting
to get suspicious here.</i>

535
00:28:34.130 --> 00:28:37.509
I mean, I'm sick of it
always being a conspiracy.

536
00:28:37.509 --> 00:28:42.555
He rehashed
my "green screen" video

537
00:28:42.555 --> 00:28:45.934
for over five years, relentlessly.

538
00:28:45.934 --> 00:28:47.602
And you've got the green screens

539
00:28:47.602 --> 00:28:50.188
with Anderson Cooper's nose
disappearing,

540
00:28:50.188 --> 00:28:53.149
you've just-- it just goes
on and on, on and on.

541
00:28:53.149 --> 00:28:56.945
<i>Infowars were vilifying
the parents.</i>

542
00:28:56.945 --> 00:28:59.531
Anything that they can point
their finger at

543
00:28:59.531 --> 00:29:02.033
to support their thesis.

544
00:29:02.033 --> 00:29:05.036
So, Wolfgang,
recap the basic anomalies

545
00:29:05.036 --> 00:29:07.789
<i>and then give us what happened
in your new investigation.</i>

546
00:29:07.789 --> 00:29:09.332
Thank you, Wolfgang,
for joining us.

547
00:29:09.332 --> 00:29:10.709
<i>And at that point,</i>

548
00:29:10.709 --> 00:29:13.670
<i>Infowars had prompted up
Wolfgang Halbig</i>

549
00:29:13.670 --> 00:29:16.965
<i>as this former
law enforcement person</i>

550
00:29:16.965 --> 00:29:20.385
<i>who has experience
with school safety,</i>

551
00:29:20.385 --> 00:29:25.682
being this ultimate credible
authority on the topic.

552
00:29:25.682 --> 00:29:27.600
I think something
would be wrong with us

553
00:29:27.600 --> 00:29:28.893
not to question all these,

554
00:29:28.893 --> 00:29:31.896
and then you look
at the green screens

555
00:29:31.896 --> 00:29:35.734
and the-- and just the lies
and the fake videos and...

556
00:29:35.734 --> 00:29:38.403
And Halbig was denying
the tragedy.

557
00:29:40.363 --> 00:29:41.865
Saying it did not happen.

558
00:29:49.664 --> 00:29:51.499
This is Leonard Pozner,

559
00:29:51.499 --> 00:29:54.044
who's playing
the role of a parent

560
00:29:54.044 --> 00:29:56.338
who lost a child at Sandy Hook.

561
00:30:00.800 --> 00:30:04.721
There's Robbie Parker.
Now there is Emilie.

562
00:30:04.721 --> 00:30:07.474
I think Emilie
is alive and well, doing good.

563
00:30:09.184 --> 00:30:14.439
<i>Sandy Hook, it's an illusion.
It was not real.</i>

564
00:30:15.565 --> 00:30:18.943
The first thing is,
why no trauma helicopters?

565
00:30:19.944 --> 00:30:23.323
Think about it,
innocent children shot,

566
00:30:23.740 --> 00:30:25.116
teachers shot.

567
00:30:25.116 --> 00:30:28.953
And no trauma helicopters
respond?

568
00:30:28.953 --> 00:30:30.872
You know,
doctors can be on board,

569
00:30:30.872 --> 00:30:33.958
lifesaving,
time of the essence.

570
00:30:33.958 --> 00:30:38.755
And then, for us to learn
that they never allowed

571
00:30:38.755 --> 00:30:42.425
any paramedics or EMTs
inside the school?

572
00:30:42.425 --> 00:30:43.885
What the hell is that?

573
00:30:43.885 --> 00:30:50.308
They were not allowed
inside that school, ever. Ever!

574
00:30:50.308 --> 00:30:52.310
<i>- ♪ Since the prehistoric ages ♪</i>

575
00:30:52.310 --> 00:30:53.978
<i>♪ And the days
Of ancient Greece... ♪</i>

576
00:30:53.978 --> 00:30:55.980
Wolfgang W. Halbig.

577
00:30:55.980 --> 00:30:57.232
<i>Then I got a phone call.</i>

578
00:30:57.232 --> 00:30:59.150
<i>"Alex Jones would like
to talk to you."</i>

579
00:30:59.150 --> 00:31:01.736
I think he was trying
to get me to validate

580
00:31:01.736 --> 00:31:03.154
what his thoughts were.

581
00:31:03.154 --> 00:31:06.032
You know, he called me back
three more times, you know.

582
00:31:06.032 --> 00:31:08.868
<i>They're taking the guns away
from people in Connecticut,</i>

583
00:31:08.868 --> 00:31:11.329
<i>and they're using Sandy Hook
as a nexus.</i>

584
00:31:11.329 --> 00:31:14.332
It's so obvious
they're using it to disarm us.

585
00:31:14.332 --> 00:31:18.003
They admit it.
And it's just a total hoax.

586
00:31:18.003 --> 00:31:19.295
Oh, he hammered it.

587
00:31:19.295 --> 00:31:21.756
He was, you know.
He said, you know,

588
00:31:21.756 --> 00:31:24.009
"Fake actors, green screen."

589
00:31:24.009 --> 00:31:27.012
Oh, yeah, it was
a vicious attack, you know.

590
00:31:27.012 --> 00:31:29.347
Uh, he said
"Nobody died at Sandy Hook."

591
00:31:29.347 --> 00:31:30.932
See, I never said that.

592
00:31:30.932 --> 00:31:32.851
You're really sure, though,
nobody died,

593
00:31:32.851 --> 00:31:34.185
it was a total cut-out?

594
00:31:34.185 --> 00:31:37.022
I'm telling you, nobody died.

595
00:31:37.856 --> 00:31:39.149
For people to be saying,

596
00:31:39.149 --> 00:31:40.525
"This didn't happen.
It was a hoax,"

597
00:31:40.525 --> 00:31:42.902
and then you start seeing
all the crazy things,

598
00:31:42.902 --> 00:31:45.196
and it was just...

599
00:31:45.196 --> 00:31:47.824
What do you mean
this didn't happen?

600
00:31:47.824 --> 00:31:49.868
When I woke up,
that's when I realized

601
00:31:49.868 --> 00:31:51.369
there were no
trauma helicopters...

602
00:31:51.369 --> 00:31:52.746
<i>You've got a bunch
of kids shot,</i>

603
00:31:52.746 --> 00:31:55.999
you don't even ask questions.
Default helicopters launch.

604
00:31:55.999 --> 00:31:58.168
They didn't seem
to accept logic.

605
00:31:58.168 --> 00:32:00.045
'Cause if you then
answered a question,

606
00:32:00.045 --> 00:32:04.382
"Well, why this?
Why weren't people airlifted

607
00:32:04.382 --> 00:32:05.633
to emergency rooms?"

608
00:32:05.633 --> 00:32:07.052
"Well,
because they were all dead."

609
00:32:07.052 --> 00:32:11.139
<i>Who has a 99.9 percent
kill rate?</i>

610
00:32:11.139 --> 00:32:15.185
<i>There isn't an FBI agent,
there isn't a Navy SEAL</i>

611
00:32:15.185 --> 00:32:18.146
<i>that's that good of a shot
within eight minutes.</i>

612
00:32:18.146 --> 00:32:21.775
You don't get 99.99 kill rates.

613
00:32:21.775 --> 00:32:23.985
It's just incredibly hard to do.

614
00:32:23.985 --> 00:32:26.863
"How could, you know,
he have such a fantastic

615
00:32:26.863 --> 00:32:29.074
shooting accuracy
that everyone died?"

616
00:32:29.074 --> 00:32:33.161
I don't know, you shove 15 kids
into a three-foot bathroom,

617
00:32:33.161 --> 00:32:35.413
you're probably gonna have
really good accuracy.

618
00:32:35.413 --> 00:32:37.207
<i>This is so well planned,</i>

619
00:32:37.207 --> 00:32:39.084
two, two and a half years,

620
00:32:39.084 --> 00:32:42.087
millions of dollars invested.
Think about it,

621
00:32:42.087 --> 00:32:45.298
you had to get
the entire community involved.

622
00:32:46.383 --> 00:32:47.258
Really?

623
00:32:47.258 --> 00:32:52.263
So a community of 28,000 people
were in on this?

624
00:32:52.263 --> 00:32:55.266
That we were all pretending,
and all the pictures

625
00:32:55.266 --> 00:32:57.769
and the experiences
of the school beforehand,

626
00:32:58.728 --> 00:33:00.939
we fabricated this for years?

627
00:33:00.939 --> 00:33:04.317
It's just--
It's totally ridiculous.

628
00:33:04.317 --> 00:33:06.820
And yet, you know, here we are
all these years later,

629
00:33:06.820 --> 00:33:08.113
and it still persists.

630
00:33:08.113 --> 00:33:09.489
<i>And I'm gonna tell you what,</i>

631
00:33:09.489 --> 00:33:12.659
<i>somebody will break,
and we're gonna break the story.</i>

632
00:33:12.659 --> 00:33:14.160
<i>And we need your help,</i>

633
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:15.829
<i>we gotta be able
to go to Newtown.</i>

634
00:33:15.829 --> 00:33:17.205
<i>Absolutely.</i>

635
00:33:17.205 --> 00:33:20.375
<i>We want to send reporters
up there, Wolfgang, with you.</i>

636
00:33:21.376 --> 00:33:23.420
In the spring of 2015...

637
00:33:24.295 --> 00:33:26.214
...you sent this man to go

638
00:33:26.214 --> 00:33:28.633
badger and yell obscenities
at Sandy Hook residents,

639
00:33:28.633 --> 00:33:31.636
calling people who were involved
in Sandy Hook

640
00:33:31.636 --> 00:33:35.140
"crooked, corrupt,
piece of shit, motherfuckers"

641
00:33:35.140 --> 00:33:37.183
- You know who that is, right?
-Yes.

642
00:33:37.183 --> 00:33:39.728
-Okay,
that's Mr. Bidondi.
-Yes.

643
00:33:39.728 --> 00:33:43.314
You sent him to go
cover Wolfgang Halbig, correct?

644
00:33:44.065 --> 00:33:45.400
I don't remember that.

645
00:33:46.151 --> 00:33:48.111
Dan Bidondi for infowars.com,

646
00:33:48.111 --> 00:33:50.238
and we're at the city
of Newtown, Connecticut.

647
00:33:50.238 --> 00:33:52.449
They're having a hearing
on the Sandy Hook incident.

648
00:33:52.449 --> 00:33:55.493
And with me is Wolfgang Halbig.
How are you doing, sir?

649
00:33:55.493 --> 00:33:58.121
Oh, great. Thanks
for seeing me again.

650
00:33:58.121 --> 00:34:00.957
I run different
than normal reporters

651
00:34:00.957 --> 00:34:02.500
because what I do
is I go out there

652
00:34:02.500 --> 00:34:03.585
and get the truth out.

653
00:34:03.585 --> 00:34:06.338
That's one reason why
I got my job with Infowars.

654
00:34:06.338 --> 00:34:08.673
Okay, I started
working for infowars.com.

655
00:34:08.673 --> 00:34:10.759
No, you're a hero to many of us.
God bless you.

656
00:34:10.759 --> 00:34:12.344
No, no, all of us.

657
00:34:12.344 --> 00:34:13.970
We need to have the truth.
Thank you.

658
00:34:13.970 --> 00:34:15.388
At least we could say
we stood up,

659
00:34:15.388 --> 00:34:16.848
and we did something.
You know what I mean?

660
00:34:16.848 --> 00:34:18.350
And that's the same drive

661
00:34:18.350 --> 00:34:20.643
that everybody
at infowars.com has.

662
00:34:20.643 --> 00:34:23.605
And this is Dan Bidondi
for the Infowars Nightly News.

663
00:34:27.108 --> 00:34:29.319
<i>It's weird
when you're in Sandy Hook.</i>

664
00:34:30.278 --> 00:34:32.697
Something is not right
in this town.

665
00:34:32.697 --> 00:34:34.366
And, really, you can feel it.

666
00:34:34.366 --> 00:34:35.992
I'm telling you
to get out of here.

667
00:34:35.992 --> 00:34:37.035
Get the fuck out.

668
00:34:37.035 --> 00:34:38.203
Hey, you touch me again...

669
00:34:38.203 --> 00:34:40.663
<i>I wanted to meet the fire chief.</i>

670
00:34:40.663 --> 00:34:44.626
He's a huge player
in the Sandy Hook incident.

671
00:34:44.626 --> 00:34:46.544
-
Don't touch him, Wolf.
- Get out of here!

672
00:34:46.544 --> 00:34:48.338
Chief, chief you gotta get him
out of my face.

673
00:34:48.338 --> 00:34:51.591
He's no fucking chief.
Get the fuck out of here.

674
00:34:51.591 --> 00:34:54.386
- I feel sorry for you.
-Fuck you.

675
00:34:54.386 --> 00:34:56.638
I feel sorry for you.
Go to hell.

676
00:34:58.390 --> 00:35:00.558
This is your volunteer
fire department

677
00:35:00.558 --> 00:35:04.396
here at Sandy Hook
to save the children.

678
00:35:04.896 --> 00:35:06.147
It's just ugly.

679
00:35:06.147 --> 00:35:07.399
You are the board member,

680
00:35:07.399 --> 00:35:09.234
you are the leaders
of this community,

681
00:35:09.234 --> 00:35:11.111
you are the superintendent.

682
00:35:11.111 --> 00:35:13.738
<i>I've appeared in front
of the school board members</i>

683
00:35:13.738 --> 00:35:18.743
and asked the question,
"Why no trauma helicopters?"

684
00:35:20.036 --> 00:35:22.372
<i>Why no trauma helicopters?</i>

685
00:35:23.289 --> 00:35:25.125
Why would you not
let paramedics--

686
00:35:25.125 --> 00:35:27.168
Board members,
these are your children...

687
00:35:27.168 --> 00:35:29.421
<i>Not one of them responded.</i>

688
00:35:29.421 --> 00:35:31.589
They're hiding something.

689
00:35:31.589 --> 00:35:34.426
People in America
deserve the truth.

690
00:35:35.635 --> 00:35:38.221
Wolfgang Halbig
created a lot of hurt

691
00:35:38.221 --> 00:35:40.098
and a lot of harm for people.

692
00:35:40.098 --> 00:35:42.517
We want answers. We want truth.

693
00:35:42.517 --> 00:35:44.686
<i>Listening
and watching what he's doing,</i>

694
00:35:44.686 --> 00:35:47.772
I'm realizing
that he's being energized

695
00:35:47.772 --> 00:35:49.232
by Alex Jones.

696
00:35:49.232 --> 00:35:52.277
And that the two of them
fed each other's psychosis.

697
00:35:52.277 --> 00:35:54.654
Something is rotten here.

698
00:35:54.654 --> 00:35:56.197
<i>What's your bottom line?</i>

699
00:35:56.197 --> 00:35:58.366
<i>What do you think's
happening here?</i>

700
00:35:58.366 --> 00:36:01.077
<i>Well, until
they answer those questions,</i>

701
00:36:01.077 --> 00:36:04.289
<i>I can tell you
children did not die.</i>

702
00:36:04.289 --> 00:36:05.790
<i>Teachers did not die.</i>

703
00:36:05.790 --> 00:36:08.460
<i>It just could not have happened.</i>

704
00:36:10.211 --> 00:36:11.629
He was so persistent.

705
00:36:11.629 --> 00:36:13.298
There goes Mr. Frank.

706
00:36:13.298 --> 00:36:15.800
How does it feel covering up
Sandy Hook, criminal?

707
00:36:17.385 --> 00:36:20.597
Well, Monte Frank
was the attorney representing

708
00:36:20.597 --> 00:36:22.015
the town of Newtown.

709
00:36:22.015 --> 00:36:24.517
When somebody asks
for public records,

710
00:36:24.517 --> 00:36:26.853
you should honor their request.

711
00:36:26.853 --> 00:36:29.731
And they denied me
at every step.

712
00:36:29.731 --> 00:36:31.066
Good morning, Monte Frank,

713
00:36:31.066 --> 00:36:33.610
representing
the town of Newtown.

714
00:36:33.610 --> 00:36:36.738
We started getting
inundated with

715
00:36:36.738 --> 00:36:40.492
Freedom of Information requests
from Wolfgang Halbig.

716
00:36:40.492 --> 00:36:43.328
- Did I read that correctly?
-Yeah, absolutely.

717
00:36:43.328 --> 00:36:48.416
Both the tone and the type
of requests became more and more

718
00:36:48.416 --> 00:36:51.211
menacing and harassing.

719
00:36:51.211 --> 00:36:55.006
Never have met a liar
like this man here.

720
00:36:56.424 --> 00:36:57.509
Hey, Attorney Frank,

721
00:36:57.509 --> 00:36:59.386
are you satisfied
with the decision?

722
00:37:00.637 --> 00:37:02.180
Of course,
he's not going to answer.

723
00:37:02.180 --> 00:37:03.682
There goes corruption
right there.

724
00:37:03.682 --> 00:37:06.434
Guess what there, Mr. Frank,
what do you think?

725
00:37:06.434 --> 00:37:08.561
You're protecting
all of those people?

726
00:37:08.561 --> 00:37:12.941
It took every ounce
of energy that I had,

727
00:37:12.941 --> 00:37:15.026
and every bit of restraint,

728
00:37:15.026 --> 00:37:18.113
just to keep walking
and not comment.

729
00:37:18.113 --> 00:37:20.073
You guys trying
to cover up Sandy Hook?

730
00:37:20.073 --> 00:37:21.783
You know the information's
gonna come out.

731
00:37:21.783 --> 00:37:22.909
You know that, right?

732
00:37:22.909 --> 00:37:24.536
You people are going to jail.

733
00:37:24.536 --> 00:37:27.372
<i>We became
increasingly anxious.</i>

734
00:37:27.372 --> 00:37:29.290
It's like death
by a thousand cuts.

735
00:37:29.290 --> 00:37:31.209
It's a drip, drip, drip

736
00:37:31.209 --> 00:37:33.294
of "we're not
going to let you heal,

737
00:37:33.294 --> 00:37:36.006
we're going to keep at you
because we think our lies

738
00:37:36.006 --> 00:37:37.799
are more powerful
than your truth."

739
00:37:37.799 --> 00:37:39.759
The Sandy Hook truth
is coming out.

740
00:37:39.759 --> 00:37:40.969
You people going to jail.

741
00:37:40.969 --> 00:37:43.638
You can smile all you want.
You're going to jail for fraud.

742
00:37:43.638 --> 00:37:44.514
Plain and simple.

743
00:37:44.514 --> 00:37:46.558
It went on for many, many years.

744
00:37:46.558 --> 00:37:48.184
If you've got nothing
to hide, then speak with us.

745
00:37:48.184 --> 00:37:51.229
Take a moment to speak with us.
You're a public official.

746
00:37:51.229 --> 00:37:53.023
But make no mistake about it,

747
00:37:53.023 --> 00:37:54.399
you will be going to jail...

748
00:37:54.399 --> 00:37:57.569
<i>I did not realize
the extent of their reach</i>

749
00:37:57.569 --> 00:37:59.863
and the power of their reach.

750
00:37:59.863 --> 00:38:02.866
<i>And social media was exploding.</i>

751
00:38:02.866 --> 00:38:05.243
<i>YouTube, Facebook, Twitter.</i>

752
00:38:05.243 --> 00:38:07.787
<i>And so this attack on facts</i>

753
00:38:07.787 --> 00:38:11.750
<i>would become part of...
I wouldn't say mainstream,</i>

754
00:38:11.750 --> 00:38:15.962
but pretty damn close to what
is mainstream America now.

755
00:38:19.758 --> 00:38:22.469
<i>I just hope and pray
that I'm not wrong.</i>

756
00:38:24.763 --> 00:38:27.849
If I'm that wrong,
if I'm that wrong,

757
00:38:27.849 --> 00:38:29.267
and if I've hurt people,

758
00:38:29.267 --> 00:38:31.561
probably I need to go
to a mental hospital.

759
00:38:32.604 --> 00:38:35.357
Now look at this one here,
this is unbelievable.

760
00:38:35.357 --> 00:38:37.692
Hockley. See her?

761
00:38:37.692 --> 00:38:39.486
<i>There's no point
arguing with them.</i>

762
00:38:39.486 --> 00:38:40.945
<i>That I've learned the hard way.</i>

763
00:38:40.945 --> 00:38:43.782
No matter what you do,
they're never gonna believe.

764
00:38:43.782 --> 00:38:46.117
They say, "Show us
the death certificates."

765
00:38:46.117 --> 00:38:47.327
"Oh, that's a forgery."

766
00:38:47.327 --> 00:38:49.621
"Show us the pictures."
"Oh, that's a forg--"

767
00:38:49.621 --> 00:38:51.706
"Show us proof
that your kid ever existed."

768
00:38:51.706 --> 00:38:56.086
"Oh, you just made that up."
And you can't... you can't win.

769
00:38:59.756 --> 00:39:02.884
<i>Most people did think
that if it was just ignored,</i>

770
00:39:02.884 --> 00:39:05.970
next time they'd look for it,
it wouldn't be there.

771
00:39:05.970 --> 00:39:07.639
And I didn't have that opinion.

772
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.433
It was obvious to me
that this was on a trajectory,

773
00:39:10.433 --> 00:39:12.352
and it was only getting worse.

774
00:39:14.646 --> 00:39:20.694
<i>In 2014, I was ready to take on
this hoaxer phenomenon</i>

775
00:39:20.694 --> 00:39:23.571
<i>relating to the tragedy
of my son.</i>

776
00:39:24.656 --> 00:39:27.409
<i>My first phase
was to make myself available</i>

777
00:39:27.409 --> 00:39:29.494
<i>and communicate with them.</i>

778
00:39:29.494 --> 00:39:31.413
And Kelley Watt
was one of the people

779
00:39:31.413 --> 00:39:32.664
that I came across.

780
00:39:32.664 --> 00:39:36.793
So we had this dialogue,
you know, we talked a lot

781
00:39:36.793 --> 00:39:38.962
for about a six-month
period of time.

782
00:39:38.962 --> 00:39:41.798
I'm as firm in my belief
that it didn't happen

783
00:39:41.798 --> 00:39:43.466
as Lenny Pozner is--

784
00:39:43.466 --> 00:39:46.136
that he's convinced that he had
a son who passed away.

785
00:39:48.680 --> 00:39:52.308
You just--
This is just so insane.

786
00:39:52.308 --> 00:39:54.352
I just can't believe
that anybody believes it.

787
00:39:54.352 --> 00:39:56.479
I really have a hard time

788
00:39:56.479 --> 00:39:59.607
believing that people
actually believe this.

789
00:39:59.607 --> 00:40:04.237
She communicated with all
of these hoax content creators

790
00:40:04.237 --> 00:40:06.406
like Wolfgang Halbig.

791
00:40:06.406 --> 00:40:09.743
And she inserted herself
in the middle of all of this.

792
00:40:09.743 --> 00:40:11.828
When I heard that these children
had been shot,

793
00:40:11.828 --> 00:40:14.956
one of the first things I did
because of my cleaning business,

794
00:40:14.956 --> 00:40:19.419
I called the Environmental
Protection Agency of Connecticut

795
00:40:19.419 --> 00:40:21.254
and said,
"Who cleaned up the blood?"

796
00:40:21.254 --> 00:40:25.508
And it was like, "What blood?"

797
00:40:25.508 --> 00:40:29.971
I'm like, "Twenty-six people
were murdered. That blood."

798
00:40:29.971 --> 00:40:33.933
And he said, "Are you one
of these conspiracy theorists?"

799
00:40:33.933 --> 00:40:36.561
And he said, "I stepped over
those dead babies."

800
00:40:37.479 --> 00:40:39.147
To which I replied,
"No, you did not.

801
00:40:40.231 --> 00:40:41.566
No, you did not."

802
00:40:48.073 --> 00:40:50.950
<i>This is the email
that Kelley Watt had sent.</i>

803
00:40:50.950 --> 00:40:53.370
<i>When I'd asked her
to contact Wolfgang Halbig</i>

804
00:40:53.370 --> 00:40:54.746
<i>to see if he'll talk to me.</i>

805
00:40:54.746 --> 00:40:57.165
<i>And the response
that I got from Kelley is that</i>

806
00:40:57.165 --> 00:41:00.001
<i>he won't speak to me
until I exhume Noah's body.</i>

807
00:41:01.378 --> 00:41:03.338
<i>I watched a lot of true crime,</i>

808
00:41:03.338 --> 00:41:05.507
and they exhume bodies
all the time.

809
00:41:05.507 --> 00:41:07.092
It's not unusual.

810
00:41:08.426 --> 00:41:09.636
That's all you can do.

811
00:41:09.636 --> 00:41:12.889
If you really want to prove
that this didn't happen,

812
00:41:12.889 --> 00:41:16.142
what else can you do
but to have the bodies exhumed?

813
00:41:17.268 --> 00:41:18.520
<i>That's when I realized that,</i>

814
00:41:18.520 --> 00:41:19.646
<i>you know, these people,</i>

815
00:41:19.646 --> 00:41:21.940
they've got
their own party going on, and...

816
00:41:22.774 --> 00:41:25.276
and uh, and I'm not invited, so.

817
00:41:28.947 --> 00:41:31.783
<i>After that phase
lacked any success,</i>

818
00:41:31.783 --> 00:41:35.412
<i>I shifted to removing content.</i>

819
00:41:35.412 --> 00:41:37.622
<i>Anyone that was going
after Noah,</i>

820
00:41:37.622 --> 00:41:39.874
<i>I was having
their content removed.</i>

821
00:41:39.874 --> 00:41:41.042
<i>YouTube videos.</i>

822
00:41:42.043 --> 00:41:44.045
<i>Anything that was
denying reality.</i>

823
00:41:45.296 --> 00:41:49.968
<i>The hoax content outnumbered
any factual information.</i>

824
00:41:49.968 --> 00:41:52.929
<i>If you did a Google search,
or a search on YouTube,</i>

825
00:41:52.929 --> 00:41:56.182
<i>for the Sandy Hook shooting,
five out of six results</i>

826
00:41:56.182 --> 00:41:58.685
<i>would have been hoax material.</i>

827
00:41:58.685 --> 00:42:00.311
<i>That's what people
were clicking on</i>

828
00:42:00.311 --> 00:42:03.148
so that's all that people
are going to be exposed to.

829
00:42:05.066 --> 00:42:06.109
<i>It was a contagion.</i>

830
00:42:06.109 --> 00:42:10.822
<i>It was going viral,
spreading to billions of people.</i>

831
00:42:13.867 --> 00:42:16.244
<i>Platforms at that point
wouldn't remove content</i>

832
00:42:16.244 --> 00:42:17.954
<i>based on their own policies.</i>

833
00:42:17.954 --> 00:42:19.998
<i>Other than copyright.</i>

834
00:42:19.998 --> 00:42:23.585
That's very black and white
in the hosting world.

835
00:42:23.585 --> 00:42:26.921
<i>I was persistent
in reporting material.</i>

836
00:42:26.921 --> 00:42:29.841
Going after a particular channel
and finding anything

837
00:42:29.841 --> 00:42:32.927
that violated privacy
or copyright.

838
00:42:33.428 --> 00:42:34.637
<i>Noah Pozner,</i>

839
00:42:34.637 --> 00:42:36.306
<i>one of the children
supposedly killed</i>

840
00:42:36.306 --> 00:42:37.932
<i>in the December 2012</i>

841
00:42:37.932 --> 00:42:40.810
<i>Sandy Hook school shooting
in Newtown, Connecticut.</i>

842
00:42:40.810 --> 00:42:42.937
<i>So if they were using
images of Noah,</i>

843
00:42:42.937 --> 00:42:45.899
<i>I was able to get that content
taken down</i>

844
00:42:45.899 --> 00:42:48.401
and that would bring
channels down.

845
00:42:48.401 --> 00:42:50.528
You got green screen
with Anderson Cooper,

846
00:42:50.528 --> 00:42:52.697
<i>and then his nose disappears.</i>

847
00:42:52.697 --> 00:42:54.032
<i>It's-- it's not real.</i>

848
00:42:54.032 --> 00:42:56.868
<i>Even that video,
you know, there were probably</i>

849
00:42:56.868 --> 00:43:00.038
<i>hundreds of that video,
maybe thousands of it.</i>

850
00:43:00.038 --> 00:43:03.249
All of that had
to be taken down, one by one.

851
00:43:05.418 --> 00:43:07.045
<i>And it was very hard to do.</i>

852
00:43:07.045 --> 00:43:10.006
And there was real...
real warfare going on,

853
00:43:10.006 --> 00:43:12.759
and a real battle
was taking place.

854
00:43:14.928 --> 00:43:16.721
<i>They were losing their content.</i>

855
00:43:18.223 --> 00:43:21.142
It's like their playground,
and if you take their toys away,

856
00:43:21.142 --> 00:43:23.645
they just become enraged.

857
00:43:24.896 --> 00:43:28.149
Our entire media operation
and your First Amendment,

858
00:43:28.149 --> 00:43:31.778
my First Amendment,
is under massive attack.

859
00:43:31.778 --> 00:43:35.699
By 2015 he was accusing me
of taking away his free speech

860
00:43:35.699 --> 00:43:37.367
and crippling
his YouTube channel.

861
00:43:37.367 --> 00:43:41.913
<i>This guy comes and says
that we violated their copyright</i>

862
00:43:41.913 --> 00:43:46.626
to trigger the suspension
of the Alex Jones channel.

863
00:43:46.626 --> 00:43:49.087
<i>Infowars published my name</i>

864
00:43:49.087 --> 00:43:51.256
before his millions
of listeners.

865
00:43:53.717 --> 00:43:58.388
This is amazing.
The claimant is Lenny Pozner,

866
00:43:58.388 --> 00:44:02.142
HONRnetwork at gmail.com.

867
00:44:02.142 --> 00:44:03.977
What do you think
of us being censored?

868
00:44:03.977 --> 00:44:05.562
What's been happening to you?

869
00:44:05.562 --> 00:44:07.272
<i>I can tell you lots about Lenny.</i>

870
00:44:07.272 --> 00:44:10.608
<i>Lenny, if you're listening,
your day is coming, my friend.</i>

871
00:44:10.608 --> 00:44:14.779
<i>It is coming.
Go after him, Alex. Crush him.</i>

872
00:44:14.779 --> 00:44:17.782
<i>After that came Lucy Richards.</i>

873
00:44:17.782 --> 00:44:19.534
<i>You're going to die,</i>

874
00:44:19.534 --> 00:44:20.952
<i>you motherfucking nigger.</i>

875
00:44:20.952 --> 00:44:25.957
<i>Kike, Jew bastard. Cunt.
You're going to die.</i>

876
00:44:25.957 --> 00:44:28.626
She made death threats.
She became triggered

877
00:44:28.626 --> 00:44:32.964
by something she heard
on Infowars.

878
00:44:32.964 --> 00:44:37.969
<i>She was sentenced
to six months in federal prison.</i>

879
00:44:37.969 --> 00:44:42.265
<i>Part of her consequence
was that she would no longer</i>

880
00:44:42.265 --> 00:44:43.641
<i>listen to Alex Jones.</i>

881
00:44:43.641 --> 00:44:47.103
So that was directly ordered
by the court.

882
00:44:48.980 --> 00:44:52.233
<i>It kept on going.
It continues.</i>

883
00:44:53.651 --> 00:44:56.363
<i>Donald Trump is our guest.</i>

884
00:44:57.238 --> 00:44:58.031
He is the leading

885
00:44:58.031 --> 00:45:00.408
2016 Republican
presidential contender.

886
00:45:00.408 --> 00:45:01.701
Well, Donald Trump,
let me say this.

887
00:45:01.701 --> 00:45:04.621
My audience,
I'd say 90 percent, support you.

888
00:45:04.621 --> 00:45:06.706
<i>Your reputation's amazing.</i>

889
00:45:06.706 --> 00:45:08.166
I will not let you down.

890
00:45:08.166 --> 00:45:11.670
You will be very,
very impressed, I hope.

891
00:45:11.670 --> 00:45:14.214
2016, you know,
we had a president

892
00:45:14.214 --> 00:45:15.965
that was denying things.

893
00:45:15.965 --> 00:45:18.593
This is a good time to be alive,
ladies and gentlemen,

894
00:45:18.593 --> 00:45:21.012
<i>and we owe Donald Trump so much.</i>

895
00:45:21.012 --> 00:45:26.226
<i>That idea, that concept,
has spread, to not trust media.</i>

896
00:45:26.226 --> 00:45:31.398
<i>There was this escalation
in alternative ways of thinking</i>

897
00:45:31.398 --> 00:45:37.946
so that, combined with Infowars
repeating Sandy Hook lies,

898
00:45:37.946 --> 00:45:41.866
brought everything back again.
It restarted the cycle.

899
00:45:45.745 --> 00:45:47.997
<i>Alex Jones isn't going away.</i>

900
00:45:47.997 --> 00:45:50.000
Over the years,
his YouTube channel

901
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:53.420
has racked up 1.3 billion views.

902
00:45:53.420 --> 00:45:55.839
He has millions of listeners,

903
00:45:55.839 --> 00:45:58.008
and the ear
of our current president.

904
00:45:58.008 --> 00:46:00.885
<i>Alex Jones's
general statements and remarks</i>

905
00:46:00.885 --> 00:46:02.887
and, you know,
disbelief of the tragedy

906
00:46:02.887 --> 00:46:05.015
were getting more
and more frequent.

907
00:46:05.557 --> 00:46:07.726
So I went on the, uh,

908
00:46:07.726 --> 00:46:09.936
Megyn's show
and I did an interview.

909
00:46:09.936 --> 00:46:14.065
I lost my son. I buried my son.

910
00:46:14.065 --> 00:46:17.736
I held my son with a bullet hole
through his head.

911
00:46:17.736 --> 00:46:22.907
Shortly thereafter,
I was accused of being a liar.

912
00:46:22.907 --> 00:46:25.076
Here's another story.

913
00:46:25.076 --> 00:46:28.872
<i>Neil Heslin,
a father of one of the victims,</i>

914
00:46:28.872 --> 00:46:32.000
<i>he's claiming
that he held his son</i>

915
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:34.252
<i>and saw the bullet hole
in his head.</i>

916
00:46:34.252 --> 00:46:35.503
<i>That is his claim.</i>

917
00:46:36.838 --> 00:46:39.424
<i>Now, according
to a timeline of events</i>

918
00:46:39.424 --> 00:46:41.760
<i>and a coroner's testimony,</i>

919
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:43.928
<i>that is not possible.</i>

920
00:46:45.805 --> 00:46:47.098
Megyn Kelly,

921
00:46:47.098 --> 00:46:48.933
talking to the father
of one of the victims,

922
00:46:48.933 --> 00:46:51.394
saying he went
and held his dead son

923
00:46:51.394 --> 00:46:52.812
there at the school.

924
00:46:55.231 --> 00:46:57.359
And then it cuts to the coroner,
but he's saying

925
00:46:57.359 --> 00:46:59.194
no one was allowed
to go in and see the kids.

926
00:46:59.194 --> 00:47:02.155
And we just said, "See? That's
why people ask questions."

927
00:47:02.155 --> 00:47:06.576
I held him with a bullet hole
in his head.

928
00:47:06.576 --> 00:47:08.578
You know,
who does he think he is

929
00:47:08.578 --> 00:47:11.247
to... to... you know,
question that?

930
00:47:14.250 --> 00:47:18.213
That was really the--
what broke the camel's back.

931
00:47:18.213 --> 00:47:21.841
And that's when I filed
the lawsuit against Alex Jones.

932
00:47:23.885 --> 00:47:25.637
<i>And I figured,
"Well, he's in Texas,</i>

933
00:47:25.637 --> 00:47:27.597
<i>I'm gonna go to Texas with it."</i>

934
00:47:30.850 --> 00:47:33.603
<i>2018,
Neil Heslin called me</i>

935
00:47:33.603 --> 00:47:35.188
<i>and said, "Can you help me?"</i>

936
00:47:36.147 --> 00:47:38.108
<i>Neil lost his son, Jesse.</i>

937
00:47:38.108 --> 00:47:39.317
And what was in Neil's case

938
00:47:39.317 --> 00:47:41.152
is that Infowars
specifically said,

939
00:47:41.152 --> 00:47:43.863
"You're lying
about having held your child.

940
00:47:43.863 --> 00:47:45.865
You didn't do that.
You're a liar."

941
00:47:47.534 --> 00:47:49.994
<i>And then, of course,
Jesse's mom, Scarlett Lewis,</i>

942
00:47:49.994 --> 00:47:52.247
<i>also subject to the same
kind of harassment,</i>

943
00:47:52.247 --> 00:47:55.000
<i>these lies
about the death of her child.</i>

944
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.002
<i>So you had two causes
of action for Neil,</i>

945
00:47:57.002 --> 00:47:58.044
<i>which is defamation</i>

946
00:47:58.044 --> 00:48:00.422
<i>and intentional infliction
of emotional distress,</i>

947
00:48:00.422 --> 00:48:02.757
<i>and just the emotional distress
for Scarlett.</i>

948
00:48:04.009 --> 00:48:06.177
<i>I had to think long and hard</i>

949
00:48:06.177 --> 00:48:08.930
<i>over whether
I would join the lawsuit.</i>

950
00:48:08.930 --> 00:48:13.226
There have been times
that have been very scary,

951
00:48:13.226 --> 00:48:16.354
and I've had to think,
"Wow, is this is worth it?"

952
00:48:17.689 --> 00:48:18.690
And...

953
00:48:19.983 --> 00:48:22.485
my conclusion
has always been, "Yeah.

954
00:48:23.361 --> 00:48:27.657
<i>It's worth it to send
this message,</i>

955
00:48:27.657 --> 00:48:29.242
the importance of truth."

956
00:48:48.011 --> 00:48:51.181
<i>So, this is
the case against Alex Jones</i>

957
00:48:51.181 --> 00:48:54.225
<i>on behalf
of 15 Connecticut plaintiffs.</i>

958
00:48:55.185 --> 00:48:57.270
<i>The Texas cases kinda continued</i>

959
00:48:57.270 --> 00:49:00.565
<i>on somewhat of
a parallel track to ours.</i>

960
00:49:00.565 --> 00:49:02.734
We're both proceeding, um,

961
00:49:02.734 --> 00:49:04.319
I think,
with the same goal in mind,

962
00:49:04.319 --> 00:49:07.072
you know, which is to hold
Alex Jones accountable.

963
00:49:09.157 --> 00:49:10.492
<i>The families that we represent</i>

964
00:49:10.492 --> 00:49:13.286
<i>are very much looking forward
to the trial.</i>

965
00:49:14.496 --> 00:49:15.955
I was at a conference

966
00:49:15.955 --> 00:49:18.208
for mothers who--

967
00:49:18.208 --> 00:49:21.294
whose kids died by gun violence.

968
00:49:21.294 --> 00:49:25.423
And I, uh, was in an elevator
with this woman.

969
00:49:25.423 --> 00:49:27.759
She saw my necklace
and she said,

970
00:49:28.635 --> 00:49:29.427
"Who's this?"

971
00:49:29.427 --> 00:49:32.013
And I said,
"Oh, this is my son, Ben.

972
00:49:32.013 --> 00:49:33.682
He was killed when he was six."

973
00:49:33.682 --> 00:49:36.267
And she said,
"What do you mean?"

974
00:49:36.267 --> 00:49:38.561
And I said,
"Well, we live in Sandy Hook,

975
00:49:38.561 --> 00:49:41.147
he died in his school."

976
00:49:41.147 --> 00:49:44.150
And she said, "You're lying."

977
00:49:44.150 --> 00:49:45.902
-Wow.
-"That didn't happen.

978
00:49:45.902 --> 00:49:47.946
They said it--
they said it didn't happen."

979
00:49:47.946 --> 00:49:49.280
And I was like, "What?"

980
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:51.449
She said, "No, no,
they said it didn't happen."

981
00:49:51.449 --> 00:49:54.619
And I was like,
"No, it-- it really happened."

982
00:49:54.619 --> 00:49:55.787
And she wasn't crazy.

983
00:49:55.787 --> 00:49:59.374
It had been years
since our kids were killed,

984
00:49:59.374 --> 00:50:00.792
and I'm walking
down the street in Seattle

985
00:50:00.792 --> 00:50:03.294
and somebody recognizes me,
and then he looked up and goes,

986
00:50:03.294 --> 00:50:04.713
"How do you fucking
sleep at night,

987
00:50:04.713 --> 00:50:05.797
you son of a bitch?"

988
00:50:05.797 --> 00:50:08.258
And I just think
the amount of content

989
00:50:08.258 --> 00:50:12.470
that that person had to watch
and digest and hold on to,

990
00:50:12.470 --> 00:50:16.099
to where he could recognize me
in some random city,

991
00:50:16.099 --> 00:50:19.477
3,000 miles away from Newtown,
on some random day...

992
00:50:19.477 --> 00:50:22.731
Like, how much...
How much did he have to take in?

993
00:50:23.982 --> 00:50:25.316
<i>Part of
what we're doing here</i>

994
00:50:25.316 --> 00:50:29.904
is hoping that we can...
we can do our little part

995
00:50:29.904 --> 00:50:32.699
to course correct
this kind of dangerous,

996
00:50:32.699 --> 00:50:34.325
wildly out of control dynamic

997
00:50:34.325 --> 00:50:36.077
of misinformation
and disinformation

998
00:50:36.077 --> 00:50:38.788
and people who are happy
and willing to believe

999
00:50:38.788 --> 00:50:41.499
whatever it is
that they want to hear.

1000
00:50:41.499 --> 00:50:44.627
It was the only thing we found
that was left for us

1001
00:50:44.627 --> 00:50:47.505
to make it stop,
hopefully, to make it stop.

1002
00:50:48.548 --> 00:50:53.094
My little son died afraid,
and alone, terrorized,

1003
00:50:53.094 --> 00:50:54.846
watching his friends
be murdered.

1004
00:50:55.764 --> 00:50:56.765
Yeah.

1005
00:50:58.016 --> 00:50:59.267
Lots of anger.

1006
00:51:02.520 --> 00:51:04.481
<i>There's so much to deal with</i>

1007
00:51:05.023 --> 00:51:06.483
<i>after losing a child.</i>

1008
00:51:06.483 --> 00:51:09.861
<i>I'm strong enough now
that I'm ready to take this on.</i>

1009
00:51:11.237 --> 00:51:13.323
So what's
the end result gonna be?

1010
00:51:15.450 --> 00:51:18.870
Um, total destruction
of Alex Jones, can I say that?

1011
00:51:20.997 --> 00:51:22.665
- I love America.

1012
00:51:22.665 --> 00:51:25.293
It's not fear that makes me
get tears in my eyes.

1013
00:51:25.293 --> 00:51:30.006
It's will and strength
boiling to defeat these tyrants,

1014
00:51:30.006 --> 00:51:32.050
and these globalists.

1015
00:51:33.510 --> 00:51:35.053
But that said...

1016
00:51:35.053 --> 00:51:37.597
Just like our information
is game-changing...

1017
00:51:39.808 --> 00:51:41.559
the products that we sell,

1018
00:51:42.435 --> 00:51:45.480
all of them, are powerful.

1019
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:48.066
<i>And whether
it's colloidal silver from 1995,</i>

1020
00:51:48.066 --> 00:51:49.275
<i>the very best out there,</i>

1021
00:51:49.275 --> 00:51:52.404
<i>or whether it's DNA Force,
now back in stock...</i>

1022
00:51:52.404 --> 00:51:54.739
<i>What we really want to do</i>

1023
00:51:54.739 --> 00:51:58.952
is expose him to the world

1024
00:51:58.952 --> 00:52:02.831
as a con man, a fraud.

1025
00:52:04.165 --> 00:52:07.293
<i>Alex Jones does not want
his audience to know</i>

1026
00:52:07.293 --> 00:52:09.629
<i>just how much
he's exploiting them every day.</i>

1027
00:52:09.629 --> 00:52:12.132
But what happened is,
their lawyers gave us

1028
00:52:12.132 --> 00:52:15.218
all these emails,
which they hadn't reviewed,

1029
00:52:15.218 --> 00:52:18.805
and included in the emails
were attachments

1030
00:52:18.805 --> 00:52:23.226
that showed some of the data
for some of the years.

1031
00:52:23.226 --> 00:52:26.312
It just so happened,
you know, we got lucky.

1032
00:52:26.312 --> 00:52:31.901
The dates are from 2009 to 2014,
so that was great for us

1033
00:52:31.901 --> 00:52:34.112
because what we were
able to show

1034
00:52:34.112 --> 00:52:37.574
is the growth in audience
month over month

1035
00:52:37.574 --> 00:52:39.784
and year over year.

1036
00:52:39.784 --> 00:52:43.413
So, they published this story
to infowars.com,

1037
00:52:43.413 --> 00:52:46.041
September 2014, almost two years
after the shooting,

1038
00:52:46.041 --> 00:52:48.752
"FBI Says No One Killed
at Sandy Hook."

1039
00:52:48.752 --> 00:52:50.962
It's just a lie,
it's ridiculous.

1040
00:52:50.962 --> 00:52:54.299
But you put out
a story like this

1041
00:52:54.299 --> 00:52:55.633
and it gets people's attention

1042
00:52:55.633 --> 00:52:57.802
because, I think,
people just assume,

1043
00:52:57.802 --> 00:52:59.888
"Oh, my gosh, more evidence."

1044
00:52:59.888 --> 00:53:02.057
And, of course, you know,
they're running their

1045
00:53:02.057 --> 00:53:05.143
33 percent off DNA Force Plus.

1046
00:53:05.143 --> 00:53:07.562
So, they published this story

1047
00:53:07.562 --> 00:53:10.482
and then they had a spike
in unique visitors,

1048
00:53:10.482 --> 00:53:12.650
they have a spike in page views.

1049
00:53:12.650 --> 00:53:14.652
So what's happening
is all these new people

1050
00:53:14.652 --> 00:53:18.490
are coming to infowars.com
to read this bullshit story

1051
00:53:18.490 --> 00:53:21.826
about FBI saying
nobody killed at Sandy Hook,

1052
00:53:21.826 --> 00:53:22.911
and when they're there,

1053
00:53:22.911 --> 00:53:25.997
they're getting pitched
all these ads to go to the store

1054
00:53:25.997 --> 00:53:27.665
and a lot of them do.

1055
00:53:27.665 --> 00:53:31.586
The next day,
their revenue goes from 48,000

1056
00:53:31.586 --> 00:53:34.005
to 232,000,

1057
00:53:34.005 --> 00:53:36.508
from this one story alone.

1058
00:53:36.508 --> 00:53:38.802
<i>Uh, good morning sir.</i>
- Good morning.

1059
00:53:38.802 --> 00:53:41.638
<i>This guy, Tim Fruge,
his business director.</i>

1060
00:53:41.638 --> 00:53:44.808
In this deposition,
you know, I show him the spike,

1061
00:53:44.808 --> 00:53:46.309
he says,
"Yeah, there's a spike."

1062
00:53:46.309 --> 00:53:48.269
I would agree
there's a spike, yes.

1063
00:53:48.269 --> 00:53:49.979
I agree with you.

1064
00:53:49.979 --> 00:53:53.858
<i>And when you're having
your daily call with Alex Jones</i>

1065
00:53:53.858 --> 00:53:56.319
<i>and you see a spike
in revenue like that,</i>

1066
00:53:56.319 --> 00:53:59.614
<i>from 48,000 to 232,000 dollars,</i>

1067
00:53:59.614 --> 00:54:01.700
<i>you're telling him
about that, right?</i>

1068
00:54:01.700 --> 00:54:02.784
Yeah, of course.

1069
00:54:03.660 --> 00:54:05.203
<i>Of course!</i>

1070
00:54:05.203 --> 00:54:07.872
<i>It's just so obvious
what they're doing.</i>

1071
00:54:07.872 --> 00:54:09.833
<i>Jones is just getting rich.</i>

1072
00:54:09.833 --> 00:54:12.544
<i>He's just getting rich
off of saying these things</i>

1073
00:54:12.544 --> 00:54:16.214
about these families
who meantime, meantime in 2014,

1074
00:54:16.214 --> 00:54:20.677
they're under a barrage
of threats and harassment

1075
00:54:21.720 --> 00:54:25.098
and fear and anxiety
because of what he's doing.

1076
00:54:25.098 --> 00:54:26.141
He doesn't give a shit.

1077
00:54:26.141 --> 00:54:27.976
He's just like
getting rich off it.

1078
00:54:28.893 --> 00:54:31.229
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's...

1079
00:54:31.229 --> 00:54:32.731
Yeah, the more people
in town square,

1080
00:54:32.731 --> 00:54:35.692
the more people
go to the shops. Yes.

1081
00:54:35.692 --> 00:54:37.610
-Morning, Mr. Jones.
- Good morning.

1082
00:54:37.610 --> 00:54:39.946
<i>His dad, David Jones,</i>

1083
00:54:39.946 --> 00:54:42.741
<i>kind of like said
the quiet part out loud.</i>

1084
00:54:42.741 --> 00:54:46.286
Are you aware whether
Free Speech Systems collects

1085
00:54:46.286 --> 00:54:50.498
data concerning when
during an Alex Jones broadcast

1086
00:54:50.498 --> 00:54:52.417
it has the most sales activity?

1087
00:54:54.627 --> 00:54:58.173
Only in the sense
that if there have been days

1088
00:54:58.173 --> 00:55:02.177
where we had extraordinarily
good sales, someone will say,

1089
00:55:02.177 --> 00:55:04.387
"What was Alex saying
when that happened?"

1090
00:55:04.387 --> 00:55:07.390
And so,
we like to emulate spikes.

1091
00:55:07.390 --> 00:55:09.851
They're seeing this
and they want to replicate it.

1092
00:55:09.851 --> 00:55:12.103
Of course,
that's how you run a business.

1093
00:55:12.103 --> 00:55:13.480
That's what you would expect,

1094
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:16.441
except that Alex Jones
tells his audience,

1095
00:55:16.441 --> 00:55:18.234
"I don't care about money,
you know,

1096
00:55:18.234 --> 00:55:20.111
I'm just all about freedom

1097
00:55:20.111 --> 00:55:21.780
and fighting the globalists.

1098
00:55:21.780 --> 00:55:23.865
And, you know,
support us if you can

1099
00:55:23.865 --> 00:55:25.116
to keep us on the air."

1100
00:55:25.116 --> 00:55:28.661
When really what he's doing
is just feeding his audience

1101
00:55:28.661 --> 00:55:33.958
like a daily dose
of fear and rage

1102
00:55:33.958 --> 00:55:35.585
and looking at what works.

1103
00:55:37.420 --> 00:55:41.216
<i>What else could possibly explain
the way these families</i>

1104
00:55:41.216 --> 00:55:43.718
<i>have been hunted and stalked
for ten years?</i>

1105
00:55:50.475 --> 00:55:52.060
<i>Jones was not reluctant</i>

1106
00:55:52.060 --> 00:55:53.311
<i>to have his deposition taken.</i>

1107
00:55:53.311 --> 00:55:54.979
<i>When it first started,
you could tell</i>

1108
00:55:54.979 --> 00:55:57.691
<i>he was feeling
like he was in his element.</i>

1109
00:55:57.691 --> 00:55:59.859
You know, he thought,
"Oh, I'm in front of a camera.

1110
00:55:59.859 --> 00:56:02.320
I'm just going to act
like I'm on my own show."

1111
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:05.448
The trauma of the media
and the corporations

1112
00:56:05.448 --> 00:56:08.576
lying so much,
then everything begins--

1113
00:56:08.576 --> 00:56:10.662
You don't trust
anything anymore.

1114
00:56:10.662 --> 00:56:12.497
Kind of like a child
whose parents lie to them

1115
00:56:12.497 --> 00:56:14.374
over and over again. Well,
pretty soon they don't know

1116
00:56:14.374 --> 00:56:15.625
what reality is.

1117
00:56:15.625 --> 00:56:20.630
People lost any compass
of what's real.

1118
00:56:20.630 --> 00:56:23.341
And I've, you know, I myself
have, you know, almost had

1119
00:56:23.341 --> 00:56:24.843
like a form of psychosis
back in the past

1120
00:56:24.843 --> 00:56:27.470
where I basically thought
everything was staged,

1121
00:56:27.470 --> 00:56:29.055
even though I'm now learning
a lot of times

1122
00:56:29.055 --> 00:56:30.015
things aren't staged.

1123
00:56:30.015 --> 00:56:32.058
You know, it's painful
that we have to question

1124
00:56:32.058 --> 00:56:34.269
big public events.
I think that's an essential part

1125
00:56:34.269 --> 00:56:36.104
of the First Amendment
in America...

1126
00:56:36.104 --> 00:56:37.480
<i>In this country,</i>

1127
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:39.733
First Amendment guarantees
that Congress shall pass no law

1128
00:56:39.733 --> 00:56:41.484
abridging the freedom
of the speech.

1129
00:56:41.484 --> 00:56:43.862
Telling lies, false information

1130
00:56:43.862 --> 00:56:46.448
is not protected
by the First Amendment.

1131
00:56:46.448 --> 00:56:48.700
And then photos of kids
that are still alive

1132
00:56:48.700 --> 00:56:49.743
they said died.

1133
00:56:49.743 --> 00:56:51.536
<i>I mean, they think we're so dumb</i>

1134
00:56:51.536 --> 00:56:55.498
<i>that it's-- it's really
hidden in plain view.</i>

1135
00:56:55.498 --> 00:56:57.542
Mr. Jones, you can
admit that that statement

1136
00:56:57.542 --> 00:56:59.461
was absolute nonsense.

1137
00:56:59.461 --> 00:57:01.546
There are not photos of children

1138
00:57:01.546 --> 00:57:03.381
who died
who are actually still alive.

1139
00:57:03.381 --> 00:57:05.425
- That's not--
- That is an out-of-context clip.

1140
00:57:05.425 --> 00:57:07.719
I can't even respond
to something like that.

1141
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:10.555
You've made money
from every single one

1142
00:57:10.555 --> 00:57:12.557
of these broadcasts
we saw today, right?

1143
00:57:14.976 --> 00:57:17.854
No, we actually lose money
on really controversial stuff.

1144
00:57:17.854 --> 00:57:19.564
We can actually see it.

1145
00:57:19.564 --> 00:57:22.067
And you have
supplements you sell too

1146
00:57:22.067 --> 00:57:23.443
with these videos, correct?

1147
00:57:24.694 --> 00:57:27.906
It's--
The two don't go together.

1148
00:57:27.906 --> 00:57:30.075
<i>You can never trust
anything this guy says.</i>

1149
00:57:30.075 --> 00:57:31.534
<i>He's a calculated liar.</i>

1150
00:57:31.534 --> 00:57:35.580
As the deposition drug on,
he enjoyed it less.

1151
00:57:35.580 --> 00:57:37.874
We are back
on the record at 12:58 p.m.

1152
00:57:37.874 --> 00:57:39.626
Mr. Jones,
before we went on a break,

1153
00:57:39.626 --> 00:57:42.087
we were talking about the issue
of whether there were EMTs

1154
00:57:42.087 --> 00:57:43.380
allowed into the building.

1155
00:57:43.380 --> 00:57:45.215
<i>We talk a lot about
the tragedy at Sandy Hook</i>

1156
00:57:45.215 --> 00:57:48.259
<i>and sometimes we shield
ourselves from the details.</i>

1157
00:57:48.259 --> 00:57:51.179
In that second classroom,

1158
00:57:51.179 --> 00:57:56.267
there was over a dozen children
piled into a rear bathroom.

1159
00:57:56.267 --> 00:57:57.894
I have put in front of you
the statement

1160
00:57:57.894 --> 00:57:59.938
of Lieutenant Vanghele.
I'm going to read that

1161
00:57:59.938 --> 00:58:02.816
and you're going to
follow along with me. Okay?

1162
00:58:02.816 --> 00:58:06.319
"I then walked into a room
with Sergeant Cario.

1163
00:58:06.319 --> 00:58:07.946
To the left of the room
as you walk in,

1164
00:58:07.946 --> 00:58:09.698
there was a bathroom
in the corner.

1165
00:58:09.698 --> 00:58:12.742
There was a massive pileup
of bodies in this room.

1166
00:58:12.742 --> 00:58:14.994
At this time, I did not know
it was a bathroom,

1167
00:58:14.994 --> 00:58:17.747
and I wondered how the suspect
had the time to kill

1168
00:58:17.747 --> 00:58:20.333
that many people and stack them
in the corner of the room.

1169
00:58:20.333 --> 00:58:22.252
And many of the bodies
had injuries

1170
00:58:22.252 --> 00:58:23.712
that were obviously fatal.

1171
00:58:23.712 --> 00:58:25.797
The children that were sitting
on the floor of the bathroom

1172
00:58:25.797 --> 00:58:27.632
were packed in like sardines."

1173
00:58:29.718 --> 00:58:31.553
Let's look at exhibit three.

1174
00:58:32.554 --> 00:58:34.264
Do you see at the very bottom
of the page,

1175
00:58:34.264 --> 00:58:35.473
the very bottom left corner,

1176
00:58:35.473 --> 00:58:36.891
it says
Sergeant William F. Cario?

1177
00:58:36.891 --> 00:58:38.101
-  Yes.
-Okay.

1178
00:58:38.101 --> 00:58:40.520
I'm going to read
the highlighted part to you.

1179
00:58:40.520 --> 00:58:43.273
"Paramedic Matt Cassavechia
approached me.

1180
00:58:43.273 --> 00:58:45.108
I have known Cassavechia
for many years

1181
00:58:45.108 --> 00:58:48.278
and recognized him as the head
of EMS for Danbury Hospital.

1182
00:58:48.278 --> 00:58:49.487
Cassavechia said,

1183
00:58:49.487 --> 00:58:51.489
'You know I've got
to get into that building.'

1184
00:58:51.489 --> 00:58:53.867
I realized at some point
those victims presumed dead

1185
00:58:53.867 --> 00:58:55.952
would have to be officially
pronounced dead.

1186
00:58:55.952 --> 00:58:58.872
As we walked to the school,
I told Cassavechia,

1187
00:58:58.872 --> 00:59:00.957
'This will be the worst day
of your life.'"

1188
00:59:02.083 --> 00:59:04.377
After that, his demeanor
totally changed

1189
00:59:04.377 --> 00:59:07.172
and his attitude for the rest
of the deposition changed.

1190
00:59:10.967 --> 00:59:13.887
<i>One of the major successes
that I think we've had</i>

1191
00:59:13.887 --> 00:59:16.765
<i>is forcing Jones
to admit under oath,</i>

1192
00:59:16.765 --> 00:59:19.517
<i>that he was not right,
that Sandy Hook happened.</i>

1193
00:59:19.517 --> 00:59:22.103
We finally have that on record.

1194
00:59:22.103 --> 00:59:26.524
Recently, your lawyer said,
"There is no dispute

1195
00:59:26.524 --> 00:59:28.860
that the Sandy Hook tragedy
was real."

1196
00:59:28.860 --> 00:59:32.030
You stand by that, that's what
you admit is true now?

1197
00:59:32.864 --> 00:59:33.865
Yes.

1198
00:59:36.034 --> 00:59:38.912
I wanna ask you,
now looking back on this,

1199
00:59:38.912 --> 00:59:40.622
are you sorry?

1200
00:59:40.622 --> 00:59:42.874
You know, I did all this
from a good place in my heart,

1201
00:59:42.874 --> 00:59:45.377
and I'm really sad
the establishment has lied

1202
00:59:45.377 --> 00:59:47.420
so much and done so much

1203
00:59:47.420 --> 00:59:50.215
that the public doesn't believe
what they're told anymore.

1204
00:59:50.215 --> 00:59:52.300
There's been a real loss
of confidence in the system.

1205
00:59:53.218 --> 00:59:54.636
And I'm a good person.

1206
00:59:54.636 --> 00:59:56.554
So in some ways
you're a victim?

1207
00:59:56.554 --> 00:59:57.722
Well, let's just say
time's running out

1208
00:59:57.722 --> 00:59:58.973
for the establishment.

1209
01:00:03.728 --> 01:00:06.481
This is bizarre.
This is unbelievable.

1210
01:00:06.481 --> 01:00:08.400
A judge just says,

1211
01:00:09.442 --> 01:00:11.277
"You're defaulted,
you're guilty.

1212
01:00:11.277 --> 01:00:12.862
You owe these people money."

1213
01:00:28.878 --> 01:00:30.630
<i>For the past three years,</i>

1214
01:00:30.630 --> 01:00:33.466
Infowars has repeatedly
disobeyed

1215
01:00:33.466 --> 01:00:34.843
the court's instructions.

1216
01:00:34.843 --> 01:00:37.429
Has broken virtually every rule

1217
01:00:37.429 --> 01:00:38.847
that could be put
in front of them.

1218
01:00:38.847 --> 01:00:41.349
The judge had enough,
said it's over.

1219
01:00:44.561 --> 01:00:47.397
<i>What that means is he's lost.
It's over.</i>

1220
01:00:48.815 --> 01:00:51.651
<i>Because a default judgment
has been granted against Jones,</i>

1221
01:00:51.651 --> 01:00:53.028
and that's a big event.

1222
01:00:53.028 --> 01:00:55.405
All that's left to do
is to determine

1223
01:00:55.405 --> 01:00:57.032
how much he has to pay
these parents

1224
01:00:57.032 --> 01:00:59.868
for the unlawful acts he did.
That's it.

1225
01:01:03.705 --> 01:01:05.790
<i>This jury will be instructed,</i>

1226
01:01:05.790 --> 01:01:07.834
at the very beginning
of this trial,

1227
01:01:07.834 --> 01:01:10.545
that they are to find
that the defendant

1228
01:01:10.545 --> 01:01:12.130
has committed these acts.

1229
01:01:12.130 --> 01:01:13.590
All right, Mr. Jones,
you know about,

1230
01:01:13.590 --> 01:01:17.052
uh, back in September a default
got granted against you, right?

1231
01:01:17.052 --> 01:01:18.720
I know I didn't get
a jury trial.

1232
01:01:18.720 --> 01:01:19.971
I know a judge said
I was guilty.

1233
01:01:19.971 --> 01:01:21.723
I don't believe that I live
in the Soviet Union.

1234
01:01:21.723 --> 01:01:24.434
Now that
you got beat in court,

1235
01:01:24.434 --> 01:01:25.852
now that a default's
been granted--

1236
01:01:25.852 --> 01:01:27.228
No, I didn't get beat in court.

1237
01:01:27.228 --> 01:01:29.981
I got beat
by an organized crime syndicate.

1238
01:01:29.981 --> 01:01:31.858
<i>What Jones decided
to do in this case</i>

1239
01:01:31.858 --> 01:01:33.902
<i>was not participate
in discovery.</i>

1240
01:01:33.902 --> 01:01:38.114
And he never gave us anything
other than just pure BS.

1241
01:01:38.948 --> 01:01:40.992
Yet he turns around then
and says,

1242
01:01:40.992 --> 01:01:43.578
"Oh, I gave
so much information."

1243
01:01:43.578 --> 01:01:46.289
If-- if-- if you give me
80 pounds of shit,

1244
01:01:46.289 --> 01:01:47.874
it's still 80 pounds of shit.

1245
01:01:47.874 --> 01:01:51.711
This is a show trial.
Eighty-one thousand pages,

1246
01:01:51.711 --> 01:01:54.214
two depositions with myself
and my whole crew,

1247
01:01:54.214 --> 01:01:56.716
because we don't have
what you claim we have.

1248
01:01:56.716 --> 01:01:58.301
He looked at it and said,

1249
01:01:58.301 --> 01:01:59.928
"If I give you
all the information
that I'm supposed to give you,

1250
01:01:59.928 --> 01:02:01.054
there's no way
I'm ever gonna win.

1251
01:02:01.054 --> 01:02:02.472
So why the hell
am I gonna give it to you?"

1252
01:02:02.472 --> 01:02:05.850
So, if you don't give it to us,
there's remedies for that.

1253
01:02:05.850 --> 01:02:08.019
And that remedy
is, again, the default.

1254
01:02:08.019 --> 01:02:11.231
It's a kangaroo trial
because it is.

1255
01:02:12.399 --> 01:02:14.442
You didn't even
answer discovery.

1256
01:02:14.442 --> 01:02:15.985
When you tell your show

1257
01:02:15.985 --> 01:02:17.946
that this is all
just a kangaroo court

1258
01:02:17.946 --> 01:02:20.740
and you completely complied
but got railroaded,

1259
01:02:20.740 --> 01:02:21.908
that's not true.

1260
01:02:21.908 --> 01:02:23.368
- None of that's true.
- No, it is true.

1261
01:02:23.368 --> 01:02:25.870
I mean, I remember giving
you guys all sorts of stuff.

1262
01:02:25.870 --> 01:02:27.330
Then you would say
you hadn't been given it.

1263
01:02:27.330 --> 01:02:30.834
I don't say this as a victim,
but this is traumatic for me,

1264
01:02:30.834 --> 01:02:33.044
and I'm s-- and I'm tired
of hearing about it.

1265
01:02:33.044 --> 01:02:36.214
And now, I have, like,
a mental wall on Sandy Hook

1266
01:02:36.214 --> 01:02:37.173
that just goes up,

1267
01:02:37.173 --> 01:02:39.384
because I can't deal
with the stress of it.

1268
01:02:39.384 --> 01:02:42.887
And so, I just put
a mental wall up and I-- I--

1269
01:02:42.887 --> 01:02:44.222
You ask me these questions,

1270
01:02:44.222 --> 01:02:46.766
and it's like... I just
can't deal with it anymore.

1271
01:03:07.746 --> 01:03:10.707
I'm gonna tell you again.
You're having
all of your rights robbed.

1272
01:03:10.707 --> 01:03:12.083
We're not allowed
to tell the jury

1273
01:03:12.083 --> 01:03:13.585
that Infowars is bankrupt.

1274
01:03:13.585 --> 01:03:16.087
This is a kangaroo court.
This is a political action.

1275
01:03:16.087 --> 01:03:17.464
It's a witch hunt.
I'll be back later.

1276
01:03:17.464 --> 01:03:18.882
We got business here.

1277
01:03:23.261 --> 01:03:25.263
<i>We just heard
from Alex Jones.</i>

1278
01:03:25.263 --> 01:03:29.184
<i>He believes the trial is a sham,
a show trial.</i>

1279
01:03:29.184 --> 01:03:31.770
He's saying that because
he's already been found liable

1280
01:03:31.770 --> 01:03:34.105
by default by this judge.

1281
01:03:45.992 --> 01:03:47.369
All rise.

1282
01:03:48.453 --> 01:03:50.914
459th District Court
is now in session.

1283
01:03:50.914 --> 01:03:53.249
The Honorable Judge
Maya Guerra Gamble presiding.

1284
01:03:53.708 --> 01:03:54.959
Good morning.

1285
01:03:56.294 --> 01:03:57.921
You may be seated.

1286
01:03:57.921 --> 01:04:00.006
This is Neil Heslin
and Scarlett Lewis

1287
01:04:00.006 --> 01:04:01.800
versus Alex E. Jones

1288
01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:05.303
and Free Speech Systems LLC.

1289
01:04:05.303 --> 01:04:07.597
You are not here
to determine if Mr. Jones

1290
01:04:07.597 --> 01:04:10.475
and Free Speech Systems LLC
defamed

1291
01:04:10.475 --> 01:04:13.561
or intentionally inflicted
emotional distress

1292
01:04:13.561 --> 01:04:15.980
on Mr. Heslin or Ms. Lewis.

1293
01:04:15.980 --> 01:04:17.941
The court has already found

1294
01:04:17.941 --> 01:04:20.652
that they have committed
these acts.

1295
01:04:20.652 --> 01:04:24.197
The jury's job will be
to determine what sum of money,

1296
01:04:24.197 --> 01:04:27.575
if any, would fairly
and reasonably compensate

1297
01:04:27.575 --> 01:04:29.494
Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis

1298
01:04:29.494 --> 01:04:32.914
for the damages they incurred
that were proximately caused

1299
01:04:32.914 --> 01:04:36.668
by Mr. Jones
and Free Speech Systems LLC.

1300
01:04:37.752 --> 01:04:40.171
Mr. Bankston,
whenever you are ready.

1301
01:04:42.882 --> 01:04:45.176
Ladies and gentlemen,
my name's Mark Bankston,

1302
01:04:45.176 --> 01:04:48.221
and I'm here to talk to you
about two rules.

1303
01:04:48.221 --> 01:04:51.391
First, you can't recklessly
tell lies

1304
01:04:51.391 --> 01:04:54.227
about something important
to someone.

1305
01:04:54.227 --> 01:04:57.188
In this case,
like the death of their child.

1306
01:04:58.273 --> 01:05:02.027
If you do that, you know
you're going to cause them harm,

1307
01:05:02.027 --> 01:05:03.528
you're responsible for that.

1308
01:05:04.529 --> 01:05:08.742
Mr. Jones continually
was churning this idea

1309
01:05:08.742 --> 01:05:10.493
that Sandy Hook was fake.

1310
01:05:12.537 --> 01:05:15.540
You need to understand
that he intentionally lied

1311
01:05:16.166 --> 01:05:18.293
to sell supplements.

1312
01:05:18.293 --> 01:05:24.090
Mr. Jones used Jesse's death
to sell his products.

1313
01:05:25.884 --> 01:05:28.428
Mr. Jones told the world

1314
01:05:28.428 --> 01:05:32.140
that Neil was lying
about holding Jesse's body.

1315
01:05:33.433 --> 01:05:39.105
Because Mr. Jones will do
or say anything

1316
01:05:39.105 --> 01:05:42.484
to protect his ability
to profit off his lies.

1317
01:05:43.234 --> 01:05:45.820
And over the last decade,

1318
01:05:45.820 --> 01:05:49.657
Mr. Jones has become
incredibly influential

1319
01:05:50.575 --> 01:05:52.744
over a segment of this country.

1320
01:05:52.744 --> 01:05:57.248
What I want you to remember
about this is this number.

1321
01:05:59.084 --> 01:06:01.044
Twenty-four percent

1322
01:06:01.044 --> 01:06:03.963
is the percent
of people in this country

1323
01:06:03.963 --> 01:06:06.591
who believe that Sandy Hook
was either definitely

1324
01:06:06.591 --> 01:06:07.550
or possibly staged,

1325
01:06:07.550 --> 01:06:12.138
and group of people
is 75 million people.

1326
01:06:12.138 --> 01:06:14.099
You can put an end to these lies

1327
01:06:14.641 --> 01:06:16.184
by punishing Alex Jones.

1328
01:06:18.603 --> 01:06:20.188
-Thank you very much.

1329
01:06:21.940 --> 01:06:24.234
All right, thank you,
Mr. Bankston.

1330
01:06:25.777 --> 01:06:27.153
It was surreal.

1331
01:06:28.279 --> 01:06:32.117
<i>That 24 percent
just was so powerful,</i>

1332
01:06:32.117 --> 01:06:33.451
<i>especially to me.</i>

1333
01:06:33.451 --> 01:06:37.163
<i>I mean, I had known that,
but I didn't want to say it</i>

1334
01:06:37.163 --> 01:06:39.958
because I didn't really want
to acknowledge

1335
01:06:39.958 --> 01:06:44.212
that a quarter of Americans
don't believe the facts.

1336
01:06:45.630 --> 01:06:49.426
Infowars believes
in people's right

1337
01:06:49.968 --> 01:06:52.012
to question information.

1338
01:06:52.012 --> 01:06:54.639
Alex Jones doesn't trust
the government.

1339
01:06:55.807 --> 01:06:59.811
Millions of Americans
don't trust the government.

1340
01:06:59.811 --> 01:07:02.814
There's nothing
sort of more appealing

1341
01:07:02.814 --> 01:07:05.483
than when I see, uh,
you know,

1342
01:07:05.483 --> 01:07:08.319
a person alone
surrounded by a lynch mob.

1343
01:07:10.822 --> 01:07:14.659
<i>Despite his hyperbole,</i>

1344
01:07:14.659 --> 01:07:17.954
<i>he has helped millions of people</i>

1345
01:07:17.954 --> 01:07:20.498
realize for the first time

1346
01:07:20.498 --> 01:07:24.044
the depredations
that are affected upon them

1347
01:07:24.044 --> 01:07:27.464
by the elites.

1348
01:07:27.464 --> 01:07:29.841
And I think for that
he is an American hero.

1349
01:07:32.010 --> 01:07:35.096
He is one
of the most polarizing figures

1350
01:07:35.513 --> 01:07:37.390
in this nation.

1351
01:07:37.390 --> 01:07:40.810
They want to tell you
this is the Great Satan.

1352
01:07:40.810 --> 01:07:43.104
You will be able to decide.

1353
01:07:45.982 --> 01:07:47.776
<i>The plaintiff's attorneys</i>

1354
01:07:47.776 --> 01:07:50.528
<i>took Mr. Heslin and Ms. Lewis</i>

1355
01:07:50.528 --> 01:07:54.240
and they convinced them
that Alex Jones was responsible

1356
01:07:54.240 --> 01:07:57.035
for all the pain
that they have in their lives.

1357
01:07:57.035 --> 01:07:59.204
<i>And then they grabbed Alex Jones</i>

1358
01:07:59.204 --> 01:08:01.414
<i>and they threw us both
into a pit</i>

1359
01:08:01.414 --> 01:08:03.792
<i>so that we could
fight against each other on...</i>

1360
01:08:03.792 --> 01:08:05.335
on national television.

1361
01:08:08.755 --> 01:08:10.799
Mr. Shroyer,
raise your right hand

1362
01:08:10.799 --> 01:08:12.217
to be sworn in, please.

1363
01:08:13.468 --> 01:08:16.513
<i>Neil said,
"I held my son in my arms.</i>

1364
01:08:17.597 --> 01:08:20.183
<i>I saw the bullet wound
through his forehead."</i>

1365
01:08:21.434 --> 01:08:23.061
The person who got
on the Internet,

1366
01:08:23.061 --> 01:08:24.479
on Jones's web show,

1367
01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:26.398
and said that Neil Heslin
was a liar,

1368
01:08:26.398 --> 01:08:29.234
<i>that's Infowars reporter
Owen Shroyer.</i>

1369
01:08:29.234 --> 01:08:33.071
You did a show
on June 25th, 2017,

1370
01:08:33.071 --> 01:08:35.907
where you were the sole host.
You remember that?

1371
01:08:35.907 --> 01:08:37.409
- Yes.
-Okay.

1372
01:08:37.409 --> 01:08:40.537
You were handed the story
while you were on air live

1373
01:08:40.537 --> 01:08:42.789
- and you ran with it, right?
- Yes.

1374
01:08:42.789 --> 01:08:45.625
You had no problem
putting that on the air, right?

1375
01:08:47.043 --> 01:08:48.086
Yes.

1376
01:08:48.086 --> 01:08:51.631
The message is,
"Neil Heslin never held Jesse."

1377
01:08:51.631 --> 01:08:52.841
- Right?
- No.

1378
01:08:52.841 --> 01:08:56.094
<i>He's claiming
that he held his son</i>

1379
01:08:56.094 --> 01:08:58.596
<i>and saw the bullet hole
in his head.</i>

1380
01:08:58.596 --> 01:08:59.597
<i>That is his claim.</i>

1381
01:08:59.597 --> 01:09:02.434
<i>Now, according
to a timeline of events</i>

1382
01:09:02.434 --> 01:09:07.397
<i>and a coroner's testimony,
that is not possible.</i>

1383
01:09:08.231 --> 01:09:11.276
Okay, so making a pretty
extreme claim

1384
01:09:11.276 --> 01:09:13.361
that would be a very thing
vivid in your memory,

1385
01:09:13.361 --> 01:09:15.238
holding his dead child.

1386
01:09:16.948 --> 01:09:19.743
When you, three times,
say, "He's claiming it,"

1387
01:09:19.743 --> 01:09:23.955
and then show evidence
that you say refutes it,

1388
01:09:23.955 --> 01:09:25.290
you're saying
you're not doubting it?

1389
01:09:25.290 --> 01:09:27.625
I didn't show evidence
that refuted his claim.

1390
01:09:27.625 --> 01:09:30.128
I showed evidence
that was presented to me

1391
01:09:30.128 --> 01:09:32.130
that says this doesn't add up.

1392
01:09:32.130 --> 01:09:35.091
But I never called
Mr. Heslin a liar.

1393
01:09:35.091 --> 01:09:38.428
I never said
Sandy Hook didn't happen.

1394
01:09:38.428 --> 01:09:40.889
In the process
of putting that story out

1395
01:09:40.889 --> 01:09:45.977
to a worldwide broadcast,
you hurt real people.

1396
01:09:45.977 --> 01:09:47.604
You understand that now, right?

1397
01:09:53.318 --> 01:09:56.613
I mean--
You still don't care, do you?

1398
01:09:56.613 --> 01:09:57.989
I do care.

1399
01:09:57.989 --> 01:10:00.325
- Will there be a clarification

1400
01:10:00.325 --> 01:10:02.827
from Heslin or Megyn Kelly?

1401
01:10:03.745 --> 01:10:05.997
I wouldn't hold your breath.

1402
01:10:05.997 --> 01:10:08.750
So now they're fueling
the conspiracy theory claims.

1403
01:10:08.750 --> 01:10:11.044
<i>Unbelievable.
We'll be right back with more.</i>

1404
01:10:13.046 --> 01:10:16.049
Why in the world
would Neil Heslin

1405
01:10:16.049 --> 01:10:18.510
- owe you an explanation?
- He doesn't.

1406
01:10:20.845 --> 01:10:22.889
Do you think Scarlett and Neil
deserve better

1407
01:10:22.889 --> 01:10:24.349
than what you did
that day?

1408
01:10:24.891 --> 01:10:25.892
Yes.

1409
01:10:29.521 --> 01:10:32.649
So right after
you called Neil Heslin a liar,

1410
01:10:32.649 --> 01:10:34.901
they ran a commercial
for a product

1411
01:10:34.901 --> 01:10:38.947
that they sell on their website
called Z-Shield, right?

1412
01:10:38.947 --> 01:10:42.200
Well, yes, when we go
to a break, we run commercials.

1413
01:10:42.200 --> 01:10:45.120
Right. Because Infowars

1414
01:10:45.120 --> 01:10:47.205
is actually an infomercial,

1415
01:10:47.205 --> 01:10:48.665
- right?
- No.

1416
01:10:55.964 --> 01:10:58.258
<i>Thank you for joining us
on this live Tuesday</i>

1417
01:10:58.258 --> 01:10:59.718
<i>worldwide transmission.</i>

1418
01:11:01.678 --> 01:11:03.972
I'm hosting this hour,
and then I'm gonna get in a car

1419
01:11:03.972 --> 01:11:08.268
and drive down to testify
today in the show trial.

1420
01:11:09.394 --> 01:11:10.729
<i>It's demonic.</i>

1421
01:11:10.729 --> 01:11:12.480
<i>They all act
demonically possessed.</i>

1422
01:11:12.480 --> 01:11:14.524
<i>The judge, the lawyers.</i>

1423
01:11:15.608 --> 01:11:18.194
It's surreal to be around them.

1424
01:11:18.194 --> 01:11:19.863
Mr. Neil Heslin
to the stand.

1425
01:11:19.863 --> 01:11:22.115
All right, Mr. Heslin, you'll
come in front of me, please,

1426
01:11:22.115 --> 01:11:23.199
so I can swear you in.

1427
01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:24.826
<i>The judge is primping,</i>

1428
01:11:24.826 --> 01:11:27.871
and they've got an HBO camera
with her all mic-ed up in there.

1429
01:11:27.871 --> 01:11:28.747
"Oh! Oh"

1430
01:11:28.747 --> 01:11:30.415
They've got dozens
of cameras in there.

1431
01:11:30.415 --> 01:11:34.210
Then they go, "This man tortured
these innocent people

1432
01:11:34.210 --> 01:11:35.712
for ten years."

1433
01:11:38.381 --> 01:11:39.632
<i>Mr. Heslin...</i>

1434
01:11:40.967 --> 01:11:43.803
Mr. Jones's attorney said
that he would be here today.

1435
01:11:45.430 --> 01:11:46.556
How does it make you feel,

1436
01:11:46.556 --> 01:11:49.517
sitting in this courtroom
right now,

1437
01:11:49.517 --> 01:11:52.771
that Mr. Jones is not
sitting here facing you?

1438
01:11:54.064 --> 01:11:55.774
I think it's a disrespect

1439
01:11:56.775 --> 01:11:59.861
and I think it's a cowardly act
of Alex Jones

1440
01:11:59.861 --> 01:12:02.572
not to be facing me here
in this courtroom.

1441
01:12:05.367 --> 01:12:07.952
<i>I've now met Neil Heslin.</i>

1442
01:12:07.952 --> 01:12:10.038
And I'll just say it,
'cause I gotta be honest.

1443
01:12:10.038 --> 01:12:11.122
He's slow.

1444
01:12:11.122 --> 01:12:13.083
And now that I've been around
him for over a week,

1445
01:12:13.083 --> 01:12:14.709
I'm like, "Okay."

1446
01:12:16.336 --> 01:12:22.008
Mr. Heslin,
did you hear what was being said

1447
01:12:22.008 --> 01:12:25.178
by Alex Jones and his associates

1448
01:12:25.178 --> 01:12:29.683
as a denial
that Jesse ever existed?

1449
01:12:30.141 --> 01:12:31.351
Yes.

1450
01:12:33.228 --> 01:12:34.479
He did live.

1451
01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:37.107
I was blessed with him
for six and a half years.

1452
01:12:41.778 --> 01:12:44.614
I did hold my son
with a bullet hole in his head.

1453
01:12:45.573 --> 01:12:47.492
This trial is the only way

1454
01:12:47.492 --> 01:12:50.453
I can restore my credibility
and reputation.

1455
01:12:52.080 --> 01:12:58.003
And Jesse's legacy and honor,

1456
01:12:58.003 --> 01:13:00.046
as he so much deserves.

1457
01:13:08.179 --> 01:13:11.933
<i>Neil had always talked
about wanting his day in court</i>

1458
01:13:11.933 --> 01:13:14.227
<i>and he wanted to face Jones.</i>

1459
01:13:14.227 --> 01:13:17.272
And actually, for me,

1460
01:13:17.272 --> 01:13:21.568
that was a pretty scary thing
to think about.

1461
01:13:23.820 --> 01:13:26.031
<i>And, you know,
he wasn't in court a lot,</i>

1462
01:13:26.031 --> 01:13:28.908
<i>so you could never predict
when he was going to be in court</i>

1463
01:13:28.908 --> 01:13:30.076
<i>and when he wasn't.</i>

1464
01:13:34.664 --> 01:13:36.332
How are you doing
today, Mr. Jones?

1465
01:13:36.332 --> 01:13:37.375
Doing great.

1466
01:13:37.375 --> 01:13:38.585
Mr. Jones,
can you tell us

1467
01:13:38.585 --> 01:13:40.128
why you weren't in trial
this morning?

1468
01:13:40.128 --> 01:13:41.921
The whole country
is turning against
the Democratic Party.

1469
01:13:54.642 --> 01:13:56.519
<i>And there he is.</i>

1470
01:14:03.777 --> 01:14:06.946
My stomach just turned over.

1471
01:14:06.946 --> 01:14:08.948
It did a flip-flop.

1472
01:14:08.948 --> 01:14:10.575
Spit your gum out, Mr. Jones.

1473
01:14:10.575 --> 01:14:12.577
-It's not gum.
-Well, what is it?

1474
01:14:13.286 --> 01:14:14.621
'Cause you're not allowed food

1475
01:14:14.621 --> 01:14:16.956
or gum of any kind
in the courtroom.

1476
01:14:16.956 --> 01:14:20.418
I had my tooth pulled
a week and a half ago,

1477
01:14:20.418 --> 01:14:22.629
and it's-- I had some gauze
in there earlier.

1478
01:14:22.629 --> 01:14:24.923
So you're chewing on your gauze?

1479
01:14:24.923 --> 01:14:26.299
Would you like me
to show you?

1480
01:14:26.299 --> 01:14:27.842
- No.
- I can show you right here.

1481
01:14:27.842 --> 01:14:30.595
I don't want
to see the inside of your mouth.

1482
01:14:30.595 --> 01:14:32.097
No, there's no gum.

1483
01:14:33.390 --> 01:14:35.100
- Hole.
-Sit down.

1484
01:14:38.520 --> 01:14:39.938
We're bringing the jury in.

1485
01:14:53.118 --> 01:14:55.954
<i>He's sitting
right in front of me,</i>

1486
01:14:55.954 --> 01:14:58.832
<i>and I'm looking
right into his eyes.</i>

1487
01:15:05.922 --> 01:15:07.424
Are you pleased
that you at least

1488
01:15:07.424 --> 01:15:09.926
now finally get to
look this man in the eye?

1489
01:15:10.802 --> 01:15:11.803
Yes.

1490
01:15:12.846 --> 01:15:15.640
I wanted to tell you,
to your face,

1491
01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:17.350
because I wanted you to know

1492
01:15:17.350 --> 01:15:20.562
that I am a mother,
first and foremost.

1493
01:15:20.562 --> 01:15:22.564
And I know that you're a father.

1494
01:15:22.564 --> 01:15:24.691
And my son existed.

1495
01:15:24.691 --> 01:15:28.528
You're still on your show
today, trying to say

1496
01:15:28.528 --> 01:15:33.533
that I'm...
implying that I'm an actress.

1497
01:15:33.533 --> 01:15:37.078
That I'm deep state.
You have, this week.

1498
01:15:37.078 --> 01:15:41.750
And truth is what we base
our reality on.

1499
01:15:41.750 --> 01:15:46.629
And we have to agree on that
to have a civil society.

1500
01:15:47.505 --> 01:15:50.258
Sandy Hook is a hard truth.

1501
01:15:50.258 --> 01:15:53.511
And having a quarter
of Americans

1502
01:15:53.511 --> 01:15:55.555
doubt that Sandy Hook happened,

1503
01:15:55.555 --> 01:15:58.683
or doubt the facts
around Sandy Hook,

1504
01:15:58.683 --> 01:16:01.561
is not conducive
to keeping our kids safe.

1505
01:16:01.561 --> 01:16:02.854
It's not.

1506
01:16:03.938 --> 01:16:06.775
Jesse was real. I am a real mom.

1507
01:16:06.775 --> 01:16:09.736
I know you know that.
That's the problem.

1508
01:16:09.736 --> 01:16:14.074
I know you know that,
and you keep saying it.

1509
01:16:14.074 --> 01:16:19.871
You keep saying it.
Why? Why? For money?

1510
01:16:21.706 --> 01:16:24.584
Because you've made a lot
of money while you've said it.

1511
01:16:24.584 --> 01:16:27.337
I know you're-- I mean...

1512
01:16:33.176 --> 01:16:34.386
I know you believe me.

1513
01:16:35.387 --> 01:16:36.554
And yet you're going to get--

1514
01:16:36.554 --> 01:16:38.723
You're going to leave
this courthouse

1515
01:16:38.723 --> 01:16:41.142
and you're going to say it
again on your show.

1516
01:16:43.770 --> 01:16:46.064
You're saying no.
You just did it.

1517
01:16:49.818 --> 01:16:51.152
Did you have an opportunity

1518
01:16:51.152 --> 01:16:55.657
to hear what Mr. Jones
had said on his show,

1519
01:16:55.657 --> 01:16:57.826
not 45 minutes or so ago,

1520
01:16:57.826 --> 01:17:00.829
about Mr. Heslin
and his testimony?

1521
01:17:01.579 --> 01:17:02.414
Yes.

1522
01:17:02.414 --> 01:17:03.707
I'm going to object,
Your Honor.

1523
01:17:03.707 --> 01:17:06.710
It's an edited clip.

1524
01:17:06.710 --> 01:17:08.294
I don't think
it should be played.

1525
01:17:08.294 --> 01:17:09.379
Overruled.

1526
01:17:10.755 --> 01:17:12.632
<i>I mean, I'll just say it
'cause I gotta be honest.</i>

1527
01:17:12.632 --> 01:17:14.467
<i>He's slow. Okay?</i>

1528
01:17:14.467 --> 01:17:15.927
<i>I don't think he's stupid.</i>

1529
01:17:15.927 --> 01:17:17.804
<i>I'm just saying he's... he's...</i>

1530
01:17:17.804 --> 01:17:21.099
<i>I mean, I think Heslin acts
like somebody on the spectrum,</i>

1531
01:17:21.099 --> 01:17:23.810
<i>and it makes me feel
like an even bigger jerk.</i>

1532
01:17:26.730 --> 01:17:28.982
How does it make you feel,

1533
01:17:28.982 --> 01:17:34.404
knowing that that was said today
by this man on his radio show

1534
01:17:34.404 --> 01:17:36.990
while Jesse's father
was testifying

1535
01:17:36.990 --> 01:17:39.617
in that same seat
you're sitting in?

1536
01:17:39.617 --> 01:17:45.123
It makes me feel...
astounded in a bad way.

1537
01:17:45.123 --> 01:17:50.337
It's horrific.
Horrific. Horrific.

1538
01:17:51.588 --> 01:17:53.131
You have a claim

1539
01:17:53.131 --> 01:17:56.801
for intentional infliction
of emotional distress.

1540
01:17:56.801 --> 01:17:58.595
- Do you not?
- Yes.

1541
01:17:58.595 --> 01:18:02.349
And what do you hope
will be accomplished?

1542
01:18:04.267 --> 01:18:05.477
In some way,

1543
01:18:05.477 --> 01:18:09.439
you've impacted every single
day of my life negatively

1544
01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:12.359
since-- almost since
Jesse's murder.

1545
01:18:14.110 --> 01:18:17.822
Alex has been asked to stop,
and he hasn't.

1546
01:18:17.822 --> 01:18:19.449
He's still doing it today.

1547
01:18:20.992 --> 01:18:23.161
So you're not going to stop.

1548
01:18:24.204 --> 01:18:27.665
I don't even think my pleading
with you up here

1549
01:18:27.665 --> 01:18:29.209
is going to get you to stop.

1550
01:18:29.834 --> 01:18:34.798
It seems so incredible to me

1551
01:18:35.757 --> 01:18:38.176
that we have to do this.

1552
01:18:41.596 --> 01:18:45.350
That we have to implore you,

1553
01:18:46.601 --> 01:18:48.103
not just implore you,

1554
01:18:48.103 --> 01:18:52.232
punish you to get you
to stop lying,

1555
01:18:53.775 --> 01:18:56.111
saying it's a hoax. It happened.

1556
01:18:56.111 --> 01:18:58.988
It's, like, surreal,
what's going on in here.

1557
01:18:58.988 --> 01:19:02.409
I think everyone in here
probably feels that way.

1558
01:19:08.707 --> 01:19:12.210
I hope to accomplish
an era of truth.

1559
01:19:13.670 --> 01:19:15.380
An era of truth.

1560
01:19:19.759 --> 01:19:21.011
Please.

1561
01:19:32.355 --> 01:19:36.276
Mr. Reynal, do you have
a witness for the jury?

1562
01:19:37.110 --> 01:19:37.986
I do.

1563
01:19:37.986 --> 01:19:40.405
The defense would call
Alex E. Jones.

1564
01:19:40.405 --> 01:19:41.448
All right, Mr. Jones,

1565
01:19:41.448 --> 01:19:43.074
come stand in front of me, please.

1566
01:19:44.492 --> 01:19:45.869
Raise your right hand.

1567
01:19:45.869 --> 01:19:47.787
Do you solemnly swear or affirm,

1568
01:19:47.787 --> 01:19:49.164
under penalty of perjury,

1569
01:19:49.164 --> 01:19:51.166
that the testimony
you are about to give

1570
01:19:51.166 --> 01:19:53.168
shall be the truth,
the whole truth,

1571
01:19:53.168 --> 01:19:55.337
- and nothing but the truth?
- I do.

1572
01:19:55.337 --> 01:19:57.130
Thank you. Come have a seat.

1573
01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:03.428
<i>He didn't have
to be there.</i>

1574
01:20:03.428 --> 01:20:05.096
<i>You know, he wasn't subpoenaed.</i>

1575
01:20:05.096 --> 01:20:07.640
You know, within the bounds
of what was allowed,

1576
01:20:07.640 --> 01:20:09.517
we tried to let him
tell his story.

1577
01:20:11.353 --> 01:20:13.396
Alex, would you please
introduce yourself

1578
01:20:13.396 --> 01:20:15.273
to the ladies and gentlemen
of the jury?

1579
01:20:15.273 --> 01:20:16.441
Hi, I'm Alex Jones.

1580
01:20:18.276 --> 01:20:19.986
How are you feeling
today, Alex?

1581
01:20:20.737 --> 01:20:22.030
I actually feel good

1582
01:20:22.030 --> 01:20:24.991
because I get a chance to,
for the first time,

1583
01:20:24.991 --> 01:20:27.869
say what's really going on,
instead of the corporate media

1584
01:20:27.869 --> 01:20:29.120
and high-powered law firms

1585
01:20:29.120 --> 01:20:30.955
manipulating what
I actually did.

1586
01:20:30.955 --> 01:20:32.999
I just do want to say this
on record,

1587
01:20:32.999 --> 01:20:34.125
'cause I've said it
many times...

1588
01:20:34.125 --> 01:20:35.293
Objection, non-responsive.

1589
01:20:35.293 --> 01:20:37.128
- I apologize to both--
-Uh! Sustained.

1590
01:20:37.128 --> 01:20:39.798
So, Mr. Jones,
this is not a conversation.

1591
01:20:39.798 --> 01:20:41.466
It's question and answer.

1592
01:20:41.466 --> 01:20:43.760
So she got to monologue
but not me. I got it.

1593
01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:47.597
And so you have
to only answer questions

1594
01:20:47.597 --> 01:20:48.890
that are asked of you.

1595
01:20:49.474 --> 01:20:50.475
You may proceed.

1596
01:20:52.644 --> 01:20:58.441
Mr. Jones, have you been
wanting to apologize

1597
01:20:58.441 --> 01:21:00.985
to the plaintiffs in this case
for a long time?

1598
01:21:00.985 --> 01:21:01.986
Yes.

1599
01:21:01.986 --> 01:21:04.489
And what would you like
to say to them?

1600
01:21:04.489 --> 01:21:08.076
That I never intentionally
tried to hurt you.

1601
01:21:08.076 --> 01:21:12.080
Today, where they play
a 30 s-- or one-minute clip,

1602
01:21:12.080 --> 01:21:14.457
and I knew that I said,
"I believe

1603
01:21:14.457 --> 01:21:19.504
that Scarlett Lewis is real
and she's a really nice person

1604
01:21:19.504 --> 01:21:21.047
and she's really
a sweet person."

1605
01:21:21.047 --> 01:21:23.717
And then I went through and
talked about her ex-husband too.

1606
01:21:23.717 --> 01:21:26.052
And then... then I said,
"I believe they're being fed
and manipulated."

1607
01:21:26.052 --> 01:21:27.804
Your Honor,
objection, non-responsive.

1608
01:21:27.804 --> 01:21:29.347
Sustained.

1609
01:21:29.347 --> 01:21:31.141
- This is a perfect--
-Sustained.

1610
01:21:31.141 --> 01:21:33.518
When you hear sustained,
you have to stop talking.

1611
01:21:33.518 --> 01:21:35.020
Okay. Okay.

1612
01:21:36.896 --> 01:21:39.149
Excuse me.
Sorry.

1613
01:21:39.149 --> 01:21:42.485
- Mr. Jones.
- Oh, thank you very much.

1614
01:21:42.485 --> 01:21:45.030
I'm sorry. I just... I just...

1615
01:21:45.030 --> 01:21:48.199
I'm about to have
to have surgery on this. It's...

1616
01:21:48.199 --> 01:21:49.659
It's been like this
for ten years,

1617
01:21:49.659 --> 01:21:51.369
but it's really bad now.

1618
01:21:51.369 --> 01:21:56.291
Let's talk about
Infowars and its business model.

1619
01:21:57.167 --> 01:21:59.711
- Do you sell vitamins?
- Yes.

1620
01:21:59.711 --> 01:22:03.256
We have them made
by the... the top lab

1621
01:22:03.256 --> 01:22:05.091
recognized in the United States.

1622
01:22:05.091 --> 01:22:07.177
All we do is put
our label on it,

1623
01:22:07.177 --> 01:22:09.929
so we know it's triple-tested,
the highest quality.

1624
01:22:09.929 --> 01:22:11.264
And that's why people love it

1625
01:22:11.264 --> 01:22:14.893
because it is
the best out there.

1626
01:22:14.893 --> 01:22:16.019
There's all sorts of crap

1627
01:22:16.019 --> 01:22:17.812
you can buy
at a gas station out there.

1628
01:22:17.812 --> 01:22:19.481
That's not what ours is.

1629
01:22:19.481 --> 01:22:24.402
I mean, we buy our PQQ
and CoQ10 from the Japanese.

1630
01:22:24.402 --> 01:22:26.613
I mean, it's the best.

1631
01:22:30.950 --> 01:22:32.535
Let's discuss email.

1632
01:22:32.535 --> 01:22:36.706
How much email
does Infowars routinely get?

1633
01:22:37.791 --> 01:22:41.086
Uh, I mean... I mean,
I know when we looked to comply

1634
01:22:41.086 --> 01:22:43.588
with the discovery,
which we complied with,

1635
01:22:43.588 --> 01:22:45.924
it was over ten million
that they had to search

1636
01:22:45.924 --> 01:22:48.218
that was still in the inbox, unopened.

1637
01:22:48.218 --> 01:22:51.513
How many employees
would Infowars have to have,

1638
01:22:51.513 --> 01:22:55.225
in your view, if you were
to actually read every message,

1639
01:22:55.225 --> 01:22:58.144
every email, every tip
that's sent in?

1640
01:22:59.187 --> 01:23:00.939
It would take ten,
15, 20 people.

1641
01:23:00.939 --> 01:23:02.732
We'd go bankrupt,
which we are now. But...

1642
01:23:05.652 --> 01:23:07.946
Your Honor,
I have a couple motions
I'm gonna need to take up

1643
01:23:07.946 --> 01:23:09.114
outside the presence
of the jury.

1644
01:23:09.114 --> 01:23:10.448
I don't know
if you want to do that now

1645
01:23:10.448 --> 01:23:12.117
or wait till he's done
with his direct.

1646
01:23:12.117 --> 01:23:14.869
All right. We're gonna--

1647
01:23:14.869 --> 01:23:17.205
Just-- just sit tight
for a second.

1648
01:23:18.957 --> 01:23:20.583
We're going to take a break.

1649
01:23:20.583 --> 01:23:23.378
- All right, thank you.
-All rise.

1650
01:23:26.589 --> 01:23:28.091
I don't know
what's going on, Your Honor,

1651
01:23:28.091 --> 01:23:29.843
but I need to bring a couple
of motions there

1652
01:23:29.843 --> 01:23:31.428
for jury instructions.

1653
01:23:31.428 --> 01:23:35.098
Mr. Reynal just absolutely
solicited direct testimony

1654
01:23:35.098 --> 01:23:37.142
from Mr. Jones
that he is bankrupt.

1655
01:23:37.142 --> 01:23:39.561
Mr. Jones has testified
straight into the record

1656
01:23:39.561 --> 01:23:42.230
that he's bankrupt,
which is not true.

1657
01:23:42.230 --> 01:23:44.399
Mr. Jones
just intentionally did that

1658
01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:47.152
in violation of your order
to attempt to poison

1659
01:23:47.152 --> 01:23:48.486
this compensatory
damage verdict,

1660
01:23:48.486 --> 01:23:52.073
to try to tell this jury
that he's broke when he's not.

1661
01:23:52.073 --> 01:23:53.950
The second is that
he absolutely--

1662
01:23:53.950 --> 01:23:57.245
Mr. Jones just fully testified,
"We complied with discovery,"

1663
01:23:57.245 --> 01:24:00.498
but we both know Mr. Jones
did anything but comply

1664
01:24:00.498 --> 01:24:02.709
with discovery and did that
for four years,

1665
01:24:02.709 --> 01:24:06.755
thumbing his nose in the face
of this court in rank contempt.

1666
01:24:08.631 --> 01:24:09.632
Mr. Jones...

1667
01:24:12.093 --> 01:24:15.180
you may not say to this jury...

1668
01:24:16.973 --> 01:24:18.808
that you complied
with discovery.

1669
01:24:20.018 --> 01:24:23.772
That is not true.
You may not say it again.

1670
01:24:25.190 --> 01:24:29.152
You may not tell this jury
that you are bankrupt.

1671
01:24:29.152 --> 01:24:31.529
That is also not true.

1672
01:24:32.447 --> 01:24:33.448
It seems...

1673
01:24:34.866 --> 01:24:37.702
absurd to instruct you again

1674
01:24:37.702 --> 01:24:41.414
that you must tell the truth
while you testify.

1675
01:24:41.414 --> 01:24:42.374
Yet here I am.

1676
01:24:42.374 --> 01:24:45.960
You must tell the truth
while you testify.

1677
01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:48.546
This is not your show.

1678
01:24:50.090 --> 01:24:52.509
Do you understand
what I have said?

1679
01:24:52.509 --> 01:24:53.426
Yes or no?

1680
01:24:53.426 --> 01:24:56.388
Do you understand
what I have said?

1681
01:24:56.388 --> 01:24:58.890
Yes. I believe
what I said was true. So--

1682
01:24:58.890 --> 01:25:02.936
Yes, you believe everything
you say is true, but it isn't.

1683
01:25:02.936 --> 01:25:05.522
Your beliefs do not make
something true.

1684
01:25:05.522 --> 01:25:09.234
That is...
That is what we're doing here.

1685
01:25:10.568 --> 01:25:12.696
You understand
what I have said?

1686
01:25:12.696 --> 01:25:13.655
I do understand.

1687
01:25:13.655 --> 01:25:16.241
You understand the instructions
I have given you

1688
01:25:16.241 --> 01:25:18.076
for your testimony in court?

1689
01:25:18.076 --> 01:25:20.328
Yes.

1690
01:25:20.328 --> 01:25:24.457
I am not going
to bring the jury back today.

1691
01:25:25.542 --> 01:25:27.544
All right.
We'll see you tomorrow.

1692
01:25:27.544 --> 01:25:30.213
- Thank you.
-All rise.

1693
01:25:33.591 --> 01:25:36.553
<i>He had been coughing a lot</i>

1694
01:25:36.553 --> 01:25:40.223
<i>and he had explained
that his larynx was torn.</i>

1695
01:25:40.223 --> 01:25:44.644
And I felt such tremendous
compassion for him.

1696
01:25:47.522 --> 01:25:51.234
<i>And so brought him a water
and four cough drops.</i>

1697
01:25:53.987 --> 01:25:55.947
Oh, thank you.
You're very sweet.

1698
01:26:12.797 --> 01:26:14.299
I want you to know that.

1699
01:26:18.136 --> 01:26:19.262
I believe your son died,

1700
01:26:19.262 --> 01:26:20.638
and I apologize for everything
that happened.

1701
01:26:20.638 --> 01:26:22.557
And that he's slow
and autistic. Thanks, Jones.

1702
01:26:22.557 --> 01:26:25.352
No, I'm slow about
certain things, too. I said...

1703
01:26:25.352 --> 01:26:27.103
Well, anyways,
I was being honest on air.

1704
01:26:27.103 --> 01:26:28.480
And I think people have been--

1705
01:26:28.480 --> 01:26:30.190
I think a lot of the stuff
you said--

1706
01:26:30.190 --> 01:26:32.567
have been manipulating
and giving you guys stuff--

1707
01:26:32.567 --> 01:26:33.860
That's it.
We're not talking anymore.

1708
01:26:33.860 --> 01:26:36.321
You're not doing this.
That's not even a thought.

1709
01:26:36.321 --> 01:26:38.531
That's not the way this goes.

1710
01:26:38.531 --> 01:26:40.825
Why? 'Cause you can't feed
'em fake videos anymore?

1711
01:26:40.825 --> 01:26:42.786
Oh, shut your mouth.

1712
01:26:42.786 --> 01:26:44.371
That's what you try to do
is shut my mouth.

1713
01:26:44.371 --> 01:26:45.914
- You'll never succeed.
-Let it go.

1714
01:26:45.914 --> 01:26:48.458
-That's okay.
-Don't touch me, sir.

1715
01:26:49.501 --> 01:26:51.628
Well, I think
I'm autistic too, mate.

1716
01:26:53.046 --> 01:26:55.256
-Stop there and stay.

1717
01:26:57.467 --> 01:26:58.843
See that?
They came over to see us.

1718
01:27:10.438 --> 01:27:13.858
Mr. Jones, I want to know,

1719
01:27:15.235 --> 01:27:16.528
you taking this trial seriously?

1720
01:27:16.528 --> 01:27:17.946
You're approaching it
in good faith?

1721
01:27:19.030 --> 01:27:21.199
- Absolutely.
-Okay.

1722
01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:24.536
The truth is,
you and your company

1723
01:27:24.536 --> 01:27:27.622
want the world to believe

1724
01:27:27.622 --> 01:27:31.960
that this judge is rigging
this court proceeding

1725
01:27:31.960 --> 01:27:34.337
to make sure that a script,

1726
01:27:35.171 --> 01:27:39.342
a literal script,
is being followed.

1727
01:27:39.342 --> 01:27:41.219
That's what you want
the world to believe.

1728
01:27:41.219 --> 01:27:42.595
No, I believe the jury's real.

1729
01:27:42.595 --> 01:27:43.930
Okay.
Your Honor, at this time,

1730
01:27:43.930 --> 01:27:46.182
we'd like to offer a clip
from Infowars on Friday

1731
01:27:46.182 --> 01:27:47.726
from the purposes of impeachment

1732
01:27:47.726 --> 01:27:50.395
in which those exact words
were said.

1733
01:27:50.395 --> 01:27:53.314
<i>So that's why the judge is
rigging the court proceeding,</i>

1734
01:27:53.314 --> 01:27:55.275
<i>to make sure that the script,</i>

1735
01:27:55.275 --> 01:27:56.943
<i>this is literally a script,</i>

1736
01:27:56.943 --> 01:28:01.072
<i>a script gets told in a certain
way for future audiences.</i>

1737
01:28:04.242 --> 01:28:05.744
That's from your show,
isn't it?

1738
01:28:07.412 --> 01:28:10.540
- That's justice on fire.
-Oh, okay.

1739
01:28:10.540 --> 01:28:12.876
- Can I see it, please?
-Yes,
you may, Your Honor.

1740
01:28:19.007 --> 01:28:21.217
This is you taking
this trial seriously

1741
01:28:21.217 --> 01:28:23.595
and in good faith?
That's what this is?

1742
01:28:23.595 --> 01:28:26.931
The judge is the fire
of burning Lady Liberty.

1743
01:28:26.931 --> 01:28:28.183
It's not the judge...

1744
01:28:28.183 --> 01:28:32.520
The judge is consuming freedom.

1745
01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:34.481
I sure hope
some of your viewers

1746
01:28:34.481 --> 01:28:35.732
are able to make
that distinction

1747
01:28:35.732 --> 01:28:37.901
that you just split on
that hair, don't you?

1748
01:28:39.569 --> 01:28:41.112
One of the things
you talked about yesterday

1749
01:28:41.112 --> 01:28:42.405
is you complied with discovery,

1750
01:28:42.405 --> 01:28:43.448
you said that
on the witness stand?

1751
01:28:43.448 --> 01:28:45.283
That's one of the things
I talked about.

1752
01:28:45.283 --> 01:28:47.994
Okay. One of the things
that you were ordered to do

1753
01:28:47.994 --> 01:28:49.954
in this lawsuit...

1754
01:28:49.954 --> 01:28:51.998
you were ordered to turn over

1755
01:28:51.998 --> 01:28:55.210
any text messages
mentioning Sandy Hook, right?

1756
01:28:55.210 --> 01:28:57.837
- Yes.
- And you didn't have any. Right?

1757
01:28:59.089 --> 01:29:00.423
Not that we could find.

1758
01:29:00.423 --> 01:29:03.635
And you, in fact, told me
in your sworn testimony,

1759
01:29:03.635 --> 01:29:06.429
before coming to this courtroom,
you searched, right?

1760
01:29:06.429 --> 01:29:07.889
-I did.
- Okay.

1761
01:29:11.476 --> 01:29:13.978
Mr. Jones, I'd like
to show you what's been marked

1762
01:29:13.978 --> 01:29:15.814
as claimant's exhibit 130.

1763
01:29:19.109 --> 01:29:20.485
- That's text messages.
- Yes.

1764
01:29:20.485 --> 01:29:22.237
And they mention
Sandy Hook, don't they?

1765
01:29:22.237 --> 01:29:23.947
Yes.

1766
01:29:25.198 --> 01:29:27.033
I've never seen
this text message.

1767
01:29:27.033 --> 01:29:28.118
You guys have all this stuff,

1768
01:29:28.118 --> 01:29:29.661
and you say
we didn't give anything.

1769
01:29:30.704 --> 01:29:32.956
So you did get my text messages.

1770
01:29:32.956 --> 01:29:34.874
You said you didn't. Nice trick.

1771
01:29:34.874 --> 01:29:37.836
Twelve days ago,
your attorneys messed up

1772
01:29:37.836 --> 01:29:41.214
and sent me
an entire digital copy

1773
01:29:41.214 --> 01:29:43.216
of your entire cell phone

1774
01:29:43.216 --> 01:29:45.885
with every text message
you've sent

1775
01:29:45.885 --> 01:29:47.345
for the past two years.

1776
01:29:47.345 --> 01:29:49.848
And that is how I know
you lied to me

1777
01:29:49.848 --> 01:29:51.850
when you said
you didn't have text messages

1778
01:29:51.850 --> 01:29:53.810
about Sandy Hook.
Did you know that?

1779
01:29:53.810 --> 01:29:57.188
I-- See, I told you the truth.
This is your Perry Mason moment.

1780
01:29:57.188 --> 01:29:59.816
I gave them my phone. And then--

1781
01:29:59.816 --> 01:30:01.735
Mr. Jones,
you need to answer the question.

1782
01:30:01.735 --> 01:30:03.528
- No, I--
-
Did you know this happened?

1783
01:30:03.528 --> 01:30:04.863
No, I didn't know this happened.

1784
01:30:04.863 --> 01:30:07.532
But I mean, I told you.
I gave my phone over.

1785
01:30:07.532 --> 01:30:09.325
Just answer the question.

1786
01:30:09.325 --> 01:30:10.618
You said
in your deposition,

1787
01:30:10.618 --> 01:30:12.704
you searched your phone.

1788
01:30:13.288 --> 01:30:14.539
You were asked,

1789
01:30:14.539 --> 01:30:17.834
"Do you have Sandy Hook
text messages on your phone?"

1790
01:30:17.834 --> 01:30:19.002
And you said, "No."

1791
01:30:19.002 --> 01:30:21.504
You said that under oath,
Mr. Jones, didn't you?

1792
01:30:21.504 --> 01:30:23.548
I mean, if I was mistaken,
I was mistaken.

1793
01:30:23.548 --> 01:30:25.508
But you've got the messages
right there.

1794
01:30:25.508 --> 01:30:27.052
You know
what perjury is, right?

1795
01:30:27.719 --> 01:30:28.928
I just want to make sure
you know

1796
01:30:28.928 --> 01:30:30.555
before we go any further.
You know what it is.

1797
01:30:31.389 --> 01:30:32.390
Yes, I do.

1798
01:30:32.390 --> 01:30:35.602
But you testified,
under oath, previously,

1799
01:30:35.602 --> 01:30:39.272
that you, personally,
searched your phone,

1800
01:30:39.272 --> 01:30:42.567
for the phrase "Sandy Hook"
and there were no messages.

1801
01:30:42.567 --> 01:30:44.569
- You said that under oath.
-Yes.

1802
01:30:44.569 --> 01:30:47.238
- And you lied when you said it.
- No, I did not lie.

1803
01:30:48.740 --> 01:30:52.911
Are you aware
that your attorney has argued

1804
01:30:52.911 --> 01:30:56.414
this is what you should pay
for the damages?

1805
01:30:56.414 --> 01:30:57.749
Do you agree with it?

1806
01:30:57.749 --> 01:31:00.085
- Do I agree with it?
- A dollar. A dollar, is that...

1807
01:31:01.419 --> 01:31:02.921
We done?

1808
01:31:02.921 --> 01:31:04.673
I'll pay it for you.
Are we done?

1809
01:31:04.673 --> 01:31:07.050
What does the <i>New York Times</i> do
for lying about WMDs?

1810
01:31:07.050 --> 01:31:08.426
I don't think
there's any point

1811
01:31:08.426 --> 01:31:10.178
in asking you
any more questions, Mr. Jones.

1812
01:31:10.178 --> 01:31:11.388
Okay.

1813
01:31:21.481 --> 01:31:22.941
<i>It couldn't have gone better.</i>

1814
01:31:22.941 --> 01:31:25.985
<i>This case was going to end
just like it began.</i>

1815
01:31:27.529 --> 01:31:29.280
<i>The very first question
I ever asked Jones</i>

1816
01:31:29.280 --> 01:31:31.199
<i>was about,
"Why are you lying to me?"</i>

1817
01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:33.451
And the very last thing
I ever showed the jury was,

1818
01:31:33.451 --> 01:31:34.744
"This man's a liar."

1819
01:31:42.460 --> 01:31:44.295
Ladies
and gentlemen of the jury,

1820
01:31:44.295 --> 01:31:48.508
at this time, I will present
to you the charge of the court.

1821
01:31:48.508 --> 01:31:51.302
You will go to the jury room
to decide the case,

1822
01:31:51.302 --> 01:31:54.806
answer the questions that are
attached, and reach a verdict.

1823
01:31:56.141 --> 01:31:59.894
Answer separately in dollars
and cents for each person

1824
01:31:59.894 --> 01:32:02.564
for the damages listed below,
if any.

1825
01:32:04.024 --> 01:32:05.608
All rise.

1826
01:32:26.338 --> 01:32:28.465
Hello, we love you.

1827
01:32:29.591 --> 01:32:31.343
You guys got any questions?

1828
01:32:31.343 --> 01:32:33.178
Just your thoughts on today.

1829
01:32:33.845 --> 01:32:36.473
Our side told the truth.

1830
01:32:36.473 --> 01:32:38.683
Their lawyers
did nothing but lie.

1831
01:32:38.683 --> 01:32:41.811
But there's no
deep pockets here,

1832
01:32:41.811 --> 01:32:43.104
so they're in
for a rude awakening.

1833
01:32:43.104 --> 01:32:46.399
So no matter what
the verdict is, I'm at peace.

1834
01:32:46.399 --> 01:32:47.901
I always try to tell the truth.

1835
01:32:47.901 --> 01:32:49.986
What did you think
about the text messages?

1836
01:32:49.986 --> 01:32:51.696
God bless, guys.
Appreciate you for coming.

1837
01:32:51.696 --> 01:32:54.699
We love you
Love, love, love.

1838
01:32:58.703 --> 01:32:59.913
What was that Tom Petty said,

1839
01:32:59.913 --> 01:33:01.289
"Waiting is the hardest part"?

1840
01:33:06.378 --> 01:33:09.255
The idea of him going back and
starting this all over again,

1841
01:33:09.255 --> 01:33:10.507
he will.

1842
01:33:10.507 --> 01:33:12.550
That's why for a punitive
damage verdict,

1843
01:33:12.550 --> 01:33:14.219
you must take enough

1844
01:33:14.219 --> 01:33:16.888
so that he can never
re-enter public life.

1845
01:33:18.056 --> 01:33:19.057
Because if you do--

1846
01:33:19.057 --> 01:33:22.435
If this isn't his exit
from the American stage,

1847
01:33:22.435 --> 01:33:24.771
his story is nowhere
near close to over.

1848
01:33:39.953 --> 01:33:41.371
- Mm-hmm.
-All rise.

1849
01:33:48.837 --> 01:33:50.672
All right,
you may be seated.

1850
01:33:52.048 --> 01:33:53.508
All right, could you hand
the verdict

1851
01:33:53.508 --> 01:33:56.678
to Ms. Matusek-Steele, please.
Thank you.

1852
01:33:58.555 --> 01:33:59.764
Thank you.

1853
01:34:12.736 --> 01:34:14.237
Question number one,

1854
01:34:15.280 --> 01:34:17.240
4,200,000 dollars.

1855
01:34:19.784 --> 01:34:21.286
Question number two,

1856
01:34:22.120 --> 01:34:24.289
20,500,000 dollars.

1857
01:34:25.623 --> 01:34:27.709
Question number three,

1858
01:34:27.709 --> 01:34:30.462
20,500,000 dollars.

1859
01:34:54.819 --> 01:34:56.613
<i>It's the end
of the beginning.</i>

1860
01:34:56.613 --> 01:34:58.948
And boy, are these clients
happy about it.

1861
01:34:58.948 --> 01:35:00.283
There was certainly a message

1862
01:35:00.283 --> 01:35:02.911
sent out of this courthouse
today, that's for sure.

1863
01:35:02.911 --> 01:35:04.496
So, what's your message?

1864
01:35:04.496 --> 01:35:08.625
To other parents,
I wanted to represent you well.

1865
01:35:08.625 --> 01:35:11.795
I know that
you have endured pain,

1866
01:35:11.795 --> 01:35:15.882
um, just like I have
over the past ten years.

1867
01:35:15.882 --> 01:35:20.428
I truly do hope and believe
that this will usher in

1868
01:35:20.428 --> 01:35:23.848
a new era of
the importance of truth.

1869
01:35:26.935 --> 01:35:29.479
It was obviously higher
than we wanted,

1870
01:35:29.479 --> 01:35:32.691
higher than I believe
was supported by the evidence,

1871
01:35:32.691 --> 01:35:36.528
but it was still
a manageable number.

1872
01:35:36.528 --> 01:35:39.030
You know, kept my client alive.

1873
01:35:43.243 --> 01:35:46.037
So, it's day one
of another Alex Jones

1874
01:35:46.037 --> 01:35:47.914
defamation trial
here in Connecticut.

1875
01:35:47.914 --> 01:35:50.208
We're about 20 miles away
from Newtown.

1876
01:35:50.208 --> 01:35:53.294
Even ten years after
the Sandy Hook tragedy,

1877
01:35:53.294 --> 01:35:55.463
these Sandy Hook families
and victims

1878
01:35:55.463 --> 01:35:57.424
are still facing harassment

1879
01:35:57.424 --> 01:36:02.012
because Jones spread lies
and called the shooting a hoax.

1880
01:36:15.066 --> 01:36:16.943
They're coming for everybody,
ladies and gentlemen.

1881
01:36:16.943 --> 01:36:18.945
"Alex Jones goes to trial
for a second time

1882
01:36:18.945 --> 01:36:20.572
in Sandy Hook hoax case."

1883
01:36:21.406 --> 01:36:22.407
But I'll tell you this,

1884
01:36:22.407 --> 01:36:24.993
we can stay on air through
everything they're doing

1885
01:36:24.993 --> 01:36:26.661
if we keep fighting
and don't give up.

1886
01:36:26.661 --> 01:36:28.872
But it takes massive money.

1887
01:36:28.872 --> 01:36:30.582
<i>Don't go through
everything you've done</i>

1888
01:36:30.582 --> 01:36:33.835
<i>supporting this broadcast
and then give up at the end.</i>

1889
01:36:33.835 --> 01:36:36.588
Now is the most critical
time ever

1890
01:36:36.588 --> 01:36:40.008
<i>to support infowarsstore.com.</i>

1891
01:36:49.100 --> 01:36:51.144
- Morning.

1892
01:36:52.270 --> 01:36:54.689
Each of you
was chosen to be here today

1893
01:36:54.689 --> 01:36:56.816
to compensate them
for their grief.

1894
01:36:56.816 --> 01:37:00.445
And you're being asked
to make an example of Alex.

1895
01:37:01.112 --> 01:37:03.156
Money is their weapon of choice.

1896
01:37:04.366 --> 01:37:05.617
Money is their weapon.

1897
01:37:06.743 --> 01:37:07.952
Disarm them.

1898
01:37:09.079 --> 01:37:11.081
First, they came for Alex Jones.

1899
01:37:11.873 --> 01:37:12.957
Who's next?

1900
01:37:15.752 --> 01:37:17.253
My name is David Wheeler.

1901
01:37:17.253 --> 01:37:20.715
Last name spelled
W-H-E-E-L-E-R.

1902
01:37:20.715 --> 01:37:23.426
- Francine Wheeler.
- Erica Lafferty.

1903
01:37:23.426 --> 01:37:25.220
My name is Nicole Hockley.

1904
01:37:25.220 --> 01:37:26.179
I do.

1905
01:37:26.179 --> 01:37:27.972
<i>Our families
will take the stand</i>

1906
01:37:27.972 --> 01:37:29.307
<i>and they will testify.</i>

1907
01:37:29.849 --> 01:37:31.142
It took a lot of courage

1908
01:37:31.142 --> 01:37:33.269
to start this case
in the first place,

1909
01:37:33.269 --> 01:37:36.773
knowing that they would expose
themselves to even more abuse.

1910
01:37:36.773 --> 01:37:38.900
Are you the father

1911
01:37:38.900 --> 01:37:40.443
- of Benjamin Wheeler?
- Yes.

1912
01:37:40.443 --> 01:37:42.654
And did Benjamin Wheeler
die in the Sandy Hook shooting?

1913
01:37:42.654 --> 01:37:43.780
Yes.

1914
01:37:43.780 --> 01:37:44.989
Just after the two-year
anniversary,

1915
01:37:44.989 --> 01:37:46.491
I was on my way
to a birthday party

1916
01:37:46.491 --> 01:37:47.367
and I was at a gas station

1917
01:37:47.367 --> 01:37:49.994
and somebody just walked out
and pointed

1918
01:37:49.994 --> 01:37:52.455
and was like, "You're part
of that Sandy Hook hoax."

1919
01:37:52.455 --> 01:37:55.917
And they said,
"Look, see, she's an actor."

1920
01:37:57.210 --> 01:38:00.338
People were, you know,
accusing me of lying,

1921
01:38:01.006 --> 01:38:02.340
telling me Ben never lived,

1922
01:38:03.383 --> 01:38:06.386
uh, telling me that
I was going to burn in hell,

1923
01:38:06.386 --> 01:38:08.513
and that I would pay
for what I had done.

1924
01:38:08.513 --> 01:38:10.432
You know, things would be
mailed to my house.

1925
01:38:10.432 --> 01:38:12.392
There were, you know,

1926
01:38:14.019 --> 01:38:18.189
threats of rape and...

1927
01:38:18.189 --> 01:38:20.025
You were receiving
threats from people

1928
01:38:20.025 --> 01:38:21.526
saying they were going
to rape you?

1929
01:38:21.526 --> 01:38:22.694
Correct.

1930
01:38:22.694 --> 01:38:25.822
Someone came to the house.
This person demanded to see Ben.

1931
01:38:25.822 --> 01:38:27.657
"I know he's here.
I know he's alive."

1932
01:38:31.036 --> 01:38:32.537
Is this still
happening to you?

1933
01:38:33.580 --> 01:38:34.998
Yes.

1934
01:38:34.998 --> 01:38:38.043
You know, it makes you feel
like you don't matter.

1935
01:38:38.043 --> 01:38:39.711
You know, it makes you feel
like what you went through

1936
01:38:39.711 --> 01:38:41.212
doesn't matter.

1937
01:38:41.212 --> 01:38:46.718
Jacqueline Barden, B-A-R-D-E-N.
Daniel was our baby,

1938
01:38:46.718 --> 01:38:49.054
but yet,
he was so compassionate.

1939
01:38:49.054 --> 01:38:53.224
Did you and Mark
get threatening letters?

1940
01:38:53.224 --> 01:38:56.019
Yeah.
One-- I remember one saying

1941
01:38:56.019 --> 01:38:57.896
that they were
at Daniel's grave,

1942
01:38:57.896 --> 01:38:59.314
and they had peed on his grave

1943
01:38:59.314 --> 01:39:01.066
because they didn't think
anybody, you know,

1944
01:39:01.066 --> 01:39:03.485
they didn't believe
that Daniel was buried.

1945
01:39:04.527 --> 01:39:05.945
And another letter--

1946
01:39:05.945 --> 01:39:07.238
These letters came
to your home?

1947
01:39:07.238 --> 01:39:08.490
- What's that?
-These letters

1948
01:39:08.490 --> 01:39:11.117
- came to your home?
- Yeah. And then another letter

1949
01:39:11.117 --> 01:39:12.952
was that they were gonna...

1950
01:39:12.952 --> 01:39:15.747
they were gonna dig
Daniel's grave up,

1951
01:39:15.747 --> 01:39:17.665
because he wasn't there,
to prove it.

1952
01:39:19.084 --> 01:39:20.919
My name is Mark Barden.

1953
01:39:20.919 --> 01:39:22.921
That was a very typical moment.

1954
01:39:22.921 --> 01:39:25.340
He was a very affectionate
little boy.

1955
01:39:26.883 --> 01:39:28.843
<i>It was grueling.
It was excruciating,</i>

1956
01:39:28.843 --> 01:39:31.930
<i>mostly because we had
to re-expose ourselves</i>

1957
01:39:31.930 --> 01:39:34.641
<i>to the very thing
that we were trying to stop.</i>

1958
01:39:34.641 --> 01:39:39.270
To stand there
in the austerity

1959
01:39:39.270 --> 01:39:43.400
of a court of law
and to expose all of that.

1960
01:39:43.400 --> 01:39:47.195
It's about the most vulnerable
one can feel.

1961
01:39:47.195 --> 01:39:49.489
So, it's a whole lot.

1962
01:39:49.489 --> 01:39:52.117
It's a whole lot of everything
all at once.

1963
01:39:52.117 --> 01:39:56.955
Daniel's grave, um,
this is so sacrosanct

1964
01:39:56.955 --> 01:40:01.459
and hallowed
a place for my family,

1965
01:40:01.459 --> 01:40:04.504
and to hear that people
were desecrating it

1966
01:40:04.504 --> 01:40:07.382
and urinating on it
and threatening to dig it up...

1967
01:40:09.384 --> 01:40:11.970
I-- I don't know
how to articulate to you

1968
01:40:11.970 --> 01:40:13.596
what that feels like,
but that's where we are.

1969
01:40:28.528 --> 01:40:29.696
Hello everybody.

1970
01:40:29.696 --> 01:40:33.324
I'm here for the four-year
planned show trial...

1971
01:40:33.324 --> 01:40:36.578
<i>Alex Jones.
He's under subpoena to be here.</i>

1972
01:40:36.578 --> 01:40:38.788
<i>So, you know, there's real
consequences for him</i>

1973
01:40:38.788 --> 01:40:39.998
<i>if he doesn't show.</i>

1974
01:40:39.998 --> 01:40:42.000
They're using these
families as pawns.

1975
01:40:42.000 --> 01:40:44.502
I have questioned hundreds
of major events,

1976
01:40:44.502 --> 01:40:46.463
and I've always done it
from a good place.

1977
01:40:46.463 --> 01:40:48.048
That's why I have
a giant audience

1978
01:40:48.048 --> 01:40:49.507
of millions and millions
of loyal listeners,

1979
01:40:49.507 --> 01:40:52.469
because they know, unlike
the corporate controlled media,

1980
01:40:52.469 --> 01:40:53.887
I try to tell the truth.

1981
01:40:53.887 --> 01:40:55.638
These people lie on purpose.

1982
01:40:55.638 --> 01:40:58.850
That's a big difference.
I've made mistakes by accident.

1983
01:40:58.850 --> 01:41:00.185
They're lying on purpose,

1984
01:41:00.185 --> 01:41:02.312
and they've misrepresented
everything I've said and done.

1985
01:41:02.312 --> 01:41:05.357
Find the real Alex Jones
at infowars.com.

1986
01:41:05.357 --> 01:41:07.150
And we have the number one book
in the world,

1987
01:41:07.150 --> 01:41:09.069
<i>The Great Reset:
And the War for the World,</i>

1988
01:41:09.069 --> 01:41:11.905
that exposes the globalists,
Klaus Schwab, the WEF,

1989
01:41:11.905 --> 01:41:13.365
and the New World Order.

1990
01:41:13.365 --> 01:41:15.075
And that's why they're coming
after me, trying to silence me,

1991
01:41:15.075 --> 01:41:16.659
because liberty and freedom
is popular,

1992
01:41:16.659 --> 01:41:19.371
and they will not silence me,
and we will not be stopped,

1993
01:41:19.371 --> 01:41:21.206
and America will prevail
peacefully

1994
01:41:21.206 --> 01:41:22.665
with justice and liberty.

1995
01:41:22.665 --> 01:41:26.795
The answer to the 1984 tyranny
is 1776. Thank you very much.

1996
01:41:41.142 --> 01:41:42.352
<i>I didn't know
how I would react</i>

1997
01:41:42.352 --> 01:41:44.145
<i>when I saw him in person.</i>

1998
01:41:44.813 --> 01:41:47.232
<i>You know, in Texas he was on,</i>

1999
01:41:47.232 --> 01:41:49.901
<i>"I'm a good guy,
I'm your friend,"</i>

2000
01:41:49.901 --> 01:41:52.779
<i>and that tone was completely
different in Connecticut.</i>

2001
01:41:52.779 --> 01:41:54.989
<i>He was angry.</i>

2002
01:41:54.989 --> 01:41:58.118
<i>He looked pissed.</i>

2003
01:41:58.118 --> 01:42:01.496
<i>Like, "I don't want to be here,
I shouldn't be here."</i>

2004
01:42:03.581 --> 01:42:06.251
He wouldn't even look at us
in Connecticut.

2005
01:42:06.251 --> 01:42:07.836
He wouldn't acknowledge us.

2006
01:42:07.836 --> 01:42:10.088
It was like
we didn't even exist.

2007
01:42:10.088 --> 01:42:12.966
He didn't want to say like,
"Hey, I'm sorry,"

2008
01:42:12.966 --> 01:42:15.719
'cause he wasn't.
He wasn't sorry.

2009
01:42:20.890 --> 01:42:22.350
<i>There's a part of you that...</i>

2010
01:42:23.268 --> 01:42:30.233
<i>wants him to feel what you feel.</i>

2011
01:42:30.233 --> 01:42:34.654
<i>See what he has caused.
You want some moment...</i>

2012
01:42:35.613 --> 01:42:38.575
<i>of connecting
with this abuser...</i>

2013
01:42:40.452 --> 01:42:45.248
<i>where he can just have
an inkling of respect for you,</i>

2014
01:42:45.248 --> 01:42:47.625
<i>or a moment of reflection.</i>

2015
01:42:51.629 --> 01:42:53.465
And he wasn't going
to give us that.

2016
01:42:54.507 --> 01:42:56.301
The lie you spread...

2017
01:42:57.802 --> 01:42:59.804
for years and years

2018
01:42:59.804 --> 01:43:03.850
was that the families behind me
were actors, correct?

2019
01:43:05.143 --> 01:43:06.561
- I can't answer--
-That's a yes or no.

2020
01:43:06.561 --> 01:43:09.189
-No, objection.
-  It's too complex--

2021
01:43:09.189 --> 01:43:11.608
- Sorry.
-Motion in limine.

2022
01:43:11.608 --> 01:43:14.569
Mr. Jones, for years
and years and years,

2023
01:43:14.569 --> 01:43:17.530
you acknowledge that among
the things that you said

2024
01:43:17.530 --> 01:43:19.240
about Sandy Hook
was that it was fake?

2025
01:43:19.240 --> 01:43:20.450
- Yes?
- Yes.

2026
01:43:20.450 --> 01:43:22.994
-Synthetic?
- Yes.

2027
01:43:22.994 --> 01:43:25.038
-Manufactured?
- Yes.

2028
01:43:25.038 --> 01:43:27.415
-With actors?
- Yes.

2029
01:43:27.415 --> 01:43:29.626
-Total hoax?
- Yes.

2030
01:43:29.626 --> 01:43:34.631
You acknowledge that,
repeatedly, you mocked parents?

2031
01:43:34.631 --> 01:43:36.341
I'm-- no, not parents.

2032
01:43:36.341 --> 01:43:38.677
I said Robbie Parker
looked fake to me.

2033
01:43:38.677 --> 01:43:40.178
<i>He carries
a presence with him.</i>

2034
01:43:40.178 --> 01:43:42.639
<i>There's an energy with him,
and it draws people,</i>

2035
01:43:42.639 --> 01:43:45.475
even people who are
disgusted by him, as I am.

2036
01:43:45.475 --> 01:43:47.977
You still can't take
your eyes off of him, right?

2037
01:43:47.977 --> 01:43:49.145
You can't help but
follow him around,

2038
01:43:49.145 --> 01:43:50.271
and I hate to admit that.

2039
01:43:50.271 --> 01:43:51.815
Robbie Parker's
sitting right here.

2040
01:43:51.815 --> 01:43:55.276
And for years, you put a target
on his back, didn't you?

2041
01:43:55.276 --> 01:43:57.153
Objection to
the form of that, judge.

2042
01:43:57.153 --> 01:43:58.196
Overruled.

2043
01:43:58.196 --> 01:43:59.781
You put a target
on his back,

2044
01:43:59.781 --> 01:44:02.200
just like you did
every single parent

2045
01:44:02.200 --> 01:44:03.410
and loved one sitting here,
didn't you?

2046
01:44:03.410 --> 01:44:04.744
-Objection, judge.
-No, I didn't.

2047
01:44:04.744 --> 01:44:06.454
-No, you didn't?
-That's argumentative.

2048
01:44:06.454 --> 01:44:09.416
- There's no-- It's speculative.
-Let's move on.

2049
01:44:09.416 --> 01:44:10.875
These are real people.
You know that, Mr. Jones?

2050
01:44:10.875 --> 01:44:12.836
Objection. I think
you just told him to move on.

2051
01:44:12.836 --> 01:44:16.256
Just like all the Iraqis
you liberals kill and love.

2052
01:44:17.048 --> 01:44:18.925
You're just--
you're unbelievable.

2053
01:44:18.925 --> 01:44:21.636
You switch on emotions
on and off when you want.

2054
01:44:21.636 --> 01:44:23.722
You're-- It's just
ambulance-chasing.

2055
01:44:26.808 --> 01:44:28.393
Why don't you show
a little respect, Mr. Jones?

2056
01:44:28.393 --> 01:44:29.602
Objection, judge.

2057
01:44:29.602 --> 01:44:31.730
I think you get what you give
in this courtroom.

2058
01:44:32.188 --> 01:44:33.523
Objection.

2059
01:44:33.523 --> 01:44:36.067
You have families
in this courtroom here

2060
01:44:36.067 --> 01:44:39.738
that lost children,
sisters, wives,

2061
01:44:41.698 --> 01:44:42.699
moms.

2062
01:44:43.742 --> 01:44:45.744
Is this a struggle session?
Are we in China?

2063
01:44:47.579 --> 01:44:49.289
I've already said I'm sorry
hundreds of times,

2064
01:44:49.289 --> 01:44:51.082
and I'm done saying I'm sorry.

2065
01:44:51.082 --> 01:44:52.167
I didn't progenerate this.

2066
01:44:52.167 --> 01:44:53.585
I wasn't the first person
to say it.

2067
01:44:53.585 --> 01:44:55.795
American gun owners didn't like
being blamed for this

2068
01:44:55.795 --> 01:44:58.381
as the Left did,
so we rejected it mentally

2069
01:44:58.381 --> 01:44:59.674
and said it must not be true.

2070
01:44:59.674 --> 01:45:01.760
But I legitimately thought
it might have been staged,

2071
01:45:01.760 --> 01:45:03.428
and I stand by that,
and I don't apologize for it.

2072
01:45:03.428 --> 01:45:05.722
And don't apologize,
Mr. Jones.

2073
01:45:05.722 --> 01:45:06.681
Please, don't apologize.

2074
01:45:06.681 --> 01:45:07.932
No, I've already apologized
to the parents

2075
01:45:07.932 --> 01:45:09.559
- over and over again.
-Because we know--

2076
01:45:09.559 --> 01:45:11.144
- I don't apologize to you.
-Objection. Objection.

2077
01:45:11.144 --> 01:45:12.270
I don't apologize to you.

2078
01:45:12.270 --> 01:45:13.521
You're gonna
do it again, aren't you?

2079
01:45:13.521 --> 01:45:15.190
-Objection, Judge.
-Aren't you?

2080
01:45:15.190 --> 01:45:16.399
- No, I'm not.
-You're not?

2081
01:45:16.399 --> 01:45:17.817
Objection. Objection.
Argumentative.

2082
01:45:17.817 --> 01:45:18.902
I don't apologize to you.

2083
01:45:20.862 --> 01:45:23.323
This is your homepage, right?
Infowars.com?

2084
01:45:23.323 --> 01:45:24.616
-Yes.
-Three weeks ago.

2085
01:45:24.616 --> 01:45:26.076
A little bit bigger, please.

2086
01:45:26.076 --> 01:45:27.535
Just the part
with the survey there.

2087
01:45:28.203 --> 01:45:30.789
And you're asking your audience,

2088
01:45:30.789 --> 01:45:34.959
"What will be the most likely
deep state false flag

2089
01:45:34.959 --> 01:45:37.587
- ahead of the midterms," right?
-Yes.

2090
01:45:37.587 --> 01:45:38.963
What's the first option?

2091
01:45:40.423 --> 01:45:42.092
Mass shooting,
but I didn't write the poll.

2092
01:45:42.092 --> 01:45:43.468
Excuse me, sir.
Mass shooting?

2093
01:45:43.468 --> 01:45:44.552
Yes.

2094
01:45:44.552 --> 01:45:47.305
And you're inviting
your audience, even now,

2095
01:45:47.305 --> 01:45:51.309
even after all this, to suspect

2096
01:45:51.309 --> 01:45:54.354
that the next people,
the next Robbie Parker,

2097
01:45:54.354 --> 01:45:56.481
the next family are actors, too.

2098
01:45:56.481 --> 01:45:58.316
-Objection,
argumentative.
- No.

2099
01:45:58.316 --> 01:46:00.151
-Overruled.
- I'm done, Your Honor.

2100
01:46:02.487 --> 01:46:04.489
<i>What I ultimately wanted to do</i>

2101
01:46:05.323 --> 01:46:07.826
<i>was to get the jury to see</i>

2102
01:46:07.826 --> 01:46:12.789
<i>just how dangerous this man
is likely to be in the future.</i>

2103
01:46:15.166 --> 01:46:16.876
<i>This is gonna happen again,</i>

2104
01:46:16.876 --> 01:46:18.962
<i>and he knows
what he's gonna say.</i>

2105
01:46:22.257 --> 01:46:24.551
<i>You know, what you want
is the truth</i>

2106
01:46:24.551 --> 01:46:27.679
<i>of, like, the rottenness
at his core to be revealed.</i>

2107
01:46:27.679 --> 01:46:29.848
Uh, you get a lot of that
through the videos,

2108
01:46:29.848 --> 01:46:33.810
but until you see him
in court do his thing,

2109
01:46:34.853 --> 01:46:35.895
it's different.

2110
01:46:37.605 --> 01:46:40.025
<i>You got parents laughing,
going "Ha ha ha! Watch this!"</i>

2111
01:46:40.025 --> 01:46:41.276
<i>and then going...</i>

2112
01:46:41.276 --> 01:46:43.611
<i>Method acting, going...</i>

2113
01:46:43.611 --> 01:46:46.489
<i>"Oh, my child!"</i>

2114
01:46:46.489 --> 01:46:48.700
<i>I mean, it's just ridiculous.</i>

2115
01:46:48.700 --> 01:46:50.368
Is that what you did,
Mr. Parker?

2116
01:46:50.368 --> 01:46:52.120
The fake crying,
the method acting?

2117
01:46:52.120 --> 01:46:53.288
No.

2118
01:46:53.288 --> 01:46:54.706
This is a few
months later.

2119
01:46:54.706 --> 01:46:57.625
<i>And then you've got parents
laughing, going, "Ha ha ha,"</i>

2120
01:46:57.625 --> 01:46:59.377
<i>and then they walk over
to the camera and go...</i>

2121
01:47:01.671 --> 01:47:03.631
That was September 2014.

2122
01:47:03.631 --> 01:47:06.092
Mr. Parker,
your family's still deluged

2123
01:47:06.092 --> 01:47:07.677
with the threats and harassment?

2124
01:47:08.553 --> 01:47:10.096
They would come in these waves.

2125
01:47:10.096 --> 01:47:13.308
And it was almost like I knew
when Alex Jones said something,

2126
01:47:13.308 --> 01:47:17.395
because we would get a huge
wave of stuff,

2127
01:47:17.395 --> 01:47:19.814
more and more and more attacks.

2128
01:47:19.814 --> 01:47:23.443
I started to hate
that-- that video.

2129
01:47:23.443 --> 01:47:25.862
That video, you mean
the video of yourself?

2130
01:47:25.862 --> 01:47:26.905
Exactly.

2131
01:47:26.905 --> 01:47:30.533
Exhibit 20A,
December 27th, 2014.

2132
01:47:30.533 --> 01:47:33.453
<i>And then the parents laughing,
and then one second later,</i>

2133
01:47:33.453 --> 01:47:35.538
<i>doing the actor breathing
to cry.</i>

2134
01:47:35.538 --> 01:47:38.166
<i>I mean, it's just--
it's just over the top.</i>

2135
01:47:38.166 --> 01:47:41.586
-2015 now.
-<i>Stinks to high heaven.</i>

2136
01:47:41.586 --> 01:47:43.630
<i>You got the actor father
who comes out,</i>

2137
01:47:43.630 --> 01:47:44.756
gets into character.

2138
01:47:44.756 --> 01:47:47.759
On November 18th, 2016.

2139
01:47:47.759 --> 01:47:49.219
<i>Then we see footage</i>

2140
01:47:49.219 --> 01:47:53.181
<i>of one of the reported fathers
of the victims, Robbie Parker,</i>

2141
01:47:53.181 --> 01:47:56.267
<i>doing classic acting training,</i>

2142
01:47:56.267 --> 01:47:59.104
<i>where he's laughing and joking,
and they say, "Hey, we're live,"</i>

2143
01:47:59.104 --> 01:48:00.271
<i>and he goes, "Oh."</i>

2144
01:48:03.400 --> 01:48:05.652
I already felt like I failed
Emilie as a dad

2145
01:48:05.652 --> 01:48:06.945
when she was alive.

2146
01:48:09.447 --> 01:48:10.740
Because I...

2147
01:48:11.491 --> 01:48:12.992
because we sent her to school.

2148
01:48:14.911 --> 01:48:17.664
And I was especially starting
to feel like I was failing her

2149
01:48:18.540 --> 01:48:20.667
in her death,

2150
01:48:20.667 --> 01:48:22.836
because of what
people were saying about her.

2151
01:48:25.839 --> 01:48:29.676
And what they were saying
about me trying to remember her.

2152
01:48:31.678 --> 01:48:34.639
<i>The most powerful thing
for me about doing that was</i>

2153
01:48:34.639 --> 01:48:37.684
that I finally got to put
my voice out there.

2154
01:48:38.143 --> 01:48:39.144
And I got to...

2155
01:48:40.311 --> 01:48:43.690
I got to put my experience
out there

2156
01:48:43.690 --> 01:48:45.650
in a way that actually
really mattered.

2157
01:48:47.152 --> 01:48:49.446
<i>Like, take that press conference
that I gave.</i>

2158
01:48:49.446 --> 01:48:51.281
<i>He had taken it from me.</i>

2159
01:48:51.281 --> 01:48:54.492
<i>He defiled it. He literally just</i>

2160
01:48:54.492 --> 01:48:56.828
shit all over
one of the most important things

2161
01:48:56.828 --> 01:48:58.955
I feel like I've ever done
in my life.

2162
01:48:58.955 --> 01:49:01.166
And so to be given
an opportunity to, like,

2163
01:49:01.166 --> 01:49:04.044
take that back,
that's the most precious thing

2164
01:49:04.044 --> 01:49:05.670
I think I can take away
from this trial.

2165
01:49:05.670 --> 01:49:09.049
So, I trust that the jury
has been fantastic,

2166
01:49:09.049 --> 01:49:11.843
and they've been very attentive,
and they're gonna do

2167
01:49:12.385 --> 01:49:13.386
what they feel is best,

2168
01:49:13.386 --> 01:49:15.055
and I'm happy
with whatever that is.

2169
01:49:15.055 --> 01:49:17.557
But I've got what I need
out of this already.

2170
01:49:19.684 --> 01:49:22.187
So, ladies and gentlemen
of the jury,

2171
01:49:22.187 --> 01:49:26.524
here you are tasked with
addressing the issue of damages,

2172
01:49:26.524 --> 01:49:29.235
as the court
previously determined

2173
01:49:29.235 --> 01:49:31.154
that the defendants are liable.

2174
01:49:31.154 --> 01:49:35.241
It is for you alone to decide
on the amount of damages

2175
01:49:35.241 --> 01:49:36.785
in this case.

2176
01:49:36.785 --> 01:49:39.204
<i>The verdict needs to reflect</i>

2177
01:49:39.204 --> 01:49:43.917
the kind of exponential harm
that lies can now have.

2178
01:49:43.917 --> 01:49:47.712
And I don't think Alex Jones has
ever really appreciated that.

2179
01:49:47.712 --> 01:49:52.550
And people like him, and him,
need to appreciate that.

2180
01:49:52.550 --> 01:49:54.094
And the only way
to make them appreciate it,

2181
01:49:54.094 --> 01:49:59.349
I think, is to hang
a big verdict around their head.

2182
01:50:03.061 --> 01:50:05.480
<i>They're about to announce
the verdict.</i>

2183
01:50:05.480 --> 01:50:06.648
<i>Let's go to the audio</i>

2184
01:50:06.648 --> 01:50:08.900
<i>of the biggest show trial
in U.S. history.</i>

2185
01:50:12.487 --> 01:50:14.197
<i>The judge looks pleased.</i>

2186
01:50:14.197 --> 01:50:17.701
Probably 200 million dollars.

2187
01:50:17.701 --> 01:50:19.953
I don't have any money,
so it's all a big joke.

2188
01:50:20.912 --> 01:50:23.748
This is their trial.
This is them on trial.

2189
01:50:23.748 --> 01:50:25.709
<i>This is ambulance-chasing
on steroids.</i>

2190
01:50:27.711 --> 01:50:30.380
<i>Come on, crucify me.
Let's get it going.</i>

2191
01:50:30.380 --> 01:50:33.758
Saveinfowars.com,
infowarsstore.com.

2192
01:50:33.758 --> 01:50:36.094
To plaintiff
Robbie Parker.

2193
01:50:36.094 --> 01:50:41.391
A, defamation slash slander
damages past and future,

2194
01:50:41.391 --> 01:50:42.851
60 million dollars.

2195
01:50:42.851 --> 01:50:45.687
- Yeah!
-<i>B, emotional
distress damages...</i>

2196
01:50:45.687 --> 01:50:47.439
- Whoo!
<i>- ...past and future,</i>

2197
01:50:47.439 --> 01:50:49.441
<i>60 million dollars.</i>

2198
01:50:49.441 --> 01:50:52.110
Total fair, just,
and reasonable damages

2199
01:50:52.110 --> 01:50:56.281
to plaintiff Robert Parker
and against Alex Jones

2200
01:50:56.281 --> 01:50:59.951
and Free Speech Systems,
under line A and line B,

2201
01:50:59.951 --> 01:51:02.704
total 120 million dollars.

2202
01:51:07.834 --> 01:51:09.878
<i>I didn't know
how to feel,</i>

2203
01:51:09.878 --> 01:51:14.716
<i>except for just like this
big sense of like relief.</i>

2204
01:51:14.716 --> 01:51:16.801
<i>And then that sense
of validation came through.</i>

2205
01:51:16.801 --> 01:51:18.345
<i>And then that sense of, like...</i>

2206
01:51:20.347 --> 01:51:21.264
like you're seen,

2207
01:51:21.264 --> 01:51:25.310
and you're understood,
and you're loved, and...

2208
01:51:26.728 --> 01:51:29.314
And I-- I could feel it
from everywhere.

2209
01:51:29.314 --> 01:51:30.982
And it was really overwhelming.

2210
01:51:42.911 --> 01:51:45.121
To plaintiff David Wheeler,

2211
01:51:45.121 --> 01:51:47.040
55 million dollars.

2212
01:51:47.040 --> 01:51:50.502
Yeah! Whoo!

2213
01:51:50.502 --> 01:51:52.504
To plaintiff Francine Wheeler,

2214
01:51:52.504 --> 01:51:54.798
total 54 million dollars.

2215
01:51:54.798 --> 01:51:56.841
To plaintiff Jacqueline Barden,

2216
01:51:56.841 --> 01:51:59.344
28,800,000 dollars.

2217
01:52:00.595 --> 01:52:01.971
Bravo.

2218
01:52:01.971 --> 01:52:04.432
To plaintiff Mark Barden,

2219
01:52:04.432 --> 01:52:07.852
57,600,000 dollars.

2220
01:52:07.852 --> 01:52:09.771
<i>Nine hundred
sixty-five million</i>

2221
01:52:09.771 --> 01:52:11.564
<i>is what it was.</i>

2222
01:52:11.564 --> 01:52:15.068
And, um, I just remember
thinking, like,

2223
01:52:15.068 --> 01:52:17.696
"There's no way
that Alex Jones

2224
01:52:17.696 --> 01:52:20.657
is going to be able to sell
enough supplements

2225
01:52:20.657 --> 01:52:22.033
to be able to pay that off."

2226
01:52:22.033 --> 01:52:25.203
Guess what? We're not scared,
and we're not going away.

2227
01:52:25.203 --> 01:52:28.164
So, please, go to
infowarsstore.com

2228
01:52:28.164 --> 01:52:31.668
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get X3.</i>

2229
01:52:31.668 --> 01:52:33.420
<i>Flood us with donations.</i>

2230
01:52:41.678 --> 01:52:46.349
Today, a jury
representing our community

2231
01:52:46.349 --> 01:52:49.185
and our nation rendered
a historic verdict,

2232
01:52:49.185 --> 01:52:51.688
a verdict
against Alex Jones's lies

2233
01:52:51.688 --> 01:52:53.356
and their poisonous spread.

2234
01:52:54.607 --> 01:52:58.778
This jury bore witness
to Alex Jones's ten-year attack,

2235
01:52:58.778 --> 01:53:01.114
an attack that made him
very rich,

2236
01:53:01.114 --> 01:53:03.742
an attack that targeted
these families

2237
01:53:03.742 --> 01:53:07.245
with the lie
that they were frauds.

2238
01:53:07.245 --> 01:53:11.875
And all for Alex Jones's
personal profit.

2239
01:53:11.875 --> 01:53:14.461
All Alex Jones does
is take from you,

2240
01:53:14.461 --> 01:53:16.588
exploit you, lie to you,

2241
01:53:17.589 --> 01:53:18.590
feed your fears

2242
01:53:18.590 --> 01:53:20.800
and your anxieties
and your mistrust,

2243
01:53:20.800 --> 01:53:22.802
and the only person
that benefits

2244
01:53:22.802 --> 01:53:24.679
in that equation is him.

2245
01:53:24.679 --> 01:53:27.766
Well, that stops.
That's stopping today,

2246
01:53:27.766 --> 01:53:29.809
thanks to the courage
of these families.

2247
01:53:29.809 --> 01:53:31.102
Thank you very much.

2248
01:53:41.112 --> 01:53:44.324
<i>It's the biggest verdict
in a defamation case</i>

2249
01:53:44.324 --> 01:53:45.909
<i>in United States history.</i>

2250
01:53:46.659 --> 01:53:48.119
<i>The reason that it's so big</i>

2251
01:53:48.119 --> 01:53:50.997
<i>is because there has never
been technology</i>

2252
01:53:50.997 --> 01:53:54.376
<i>capable of spreading
a lie so fast</i>

2253
01:53:54.376 --> 01:53:56.920
<i>and causing so much damage
as we have now.</i>

2254
01:53:58.296 --> 01:54:00.090
I think
a really insidious problem

2255
01:54:00.090 --> 01:54:02.676
that we're just as a society
figuring out how to deal with,

2256
01:54:02.676 --> 01:54:04.386
and these cases are one way.

2257
01:54:04.386 --> 01:54:05.970
They're not the only way,

2258
01:54:05.970 --> 01:54:08.223
but I think they're going to
end up being an important way.

2259
01:54:08.223 --> 01:54:10.183
And we have the families
to thank for that.

2260
01:54:12.977 --> 01:54:15.063
<i>Why are people
willing to believe</i>

2261
01:54:15.063 --> 01:54:17.232
<i>invented, manufactured lies</i>

2262
01:54:17.232 --> 01:54:19.150
<i>that can be shut down
in a second,</i>

2263
01:54:19.150 --> 01:54:22.028
that can be debunked
with the simplest of actions?

2264
01:54:22.028 --> 01:54:24.531
Why?
Why are they so thirsty for it?

2265
01:54:24.531 --> 01:54:27.492
Why are they ingesting it?
Why are they believing it?

2266
01:54:27.492 --> 01:54:31.454
That question goes far beyond
what happened in this case,

2267
01:54:31.454 --> 01:54:32.664
because I can guarantee you,

2268
01:54:32.664 --> 01:54:35.166
we can solve
the Alex Jones problem,

2269
01:54:35.166 --> 01:54:37.627
but we will not solve
the greater problem

2270
01:54:37.627 --> 01:54:40.130
that allowed Alex Jones
to flourish.

2271
01:54:40.130 --> 01:54:43.174
And Spiderman defeated
the Goblin,

2272
01:54:43.174 --> 01:54:47.721
and the Goblin fighting back
was still alive...

2273
01:54:47.721 --> 01:54:49.597
This was his backpack.

2274
01:54:50.640 --> 01:54:52.642
He always had, um,
stuffed animals.

2275
01:54:55.103 --> 01:54:57.814
First grade homework packet,

2276
01:54:57.814 --> 01:55:00.025
that's what he should've
brought home that day,

2277
01:55:01.359 --> 01:55:02.402
and didn't get to.

2278
01:55:05.447 --> 01:55:10.076
This is the jacket he wore
on that fateful day.

2279
01:55:12.078 --> 01:55:16.583
It's just a... a way
to link with him.

2280
01:55:20.628 --> 01:55:23.214
Noah, he was cheated.

2281
01:55:24.924 --> 01:55:26.676
He was cheated of life.

2282
01:55:27.886 --> 01:55:29.596
And he was cheated afterwards...

2283
01:55:32.015 --> 01:55:33.558
of honoring that life...

2284
01:55:35.935 --> 01:55:38.146
by people who purported that...

2285
01:55:39.564 --> 01:55:43.026
you know, they were bringing
"the truth" to light.

2286
01:55:43.026 --> 01:55:44.527
When, in fact,
what they were doing

2287
01:55:44.527 --> 01:55:46.780
was desecrating his memory.