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The MDS is one of the most iconic

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ultra races in the world.

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It's the one race that a lot of

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multi-day ultramarathons base themselves on.

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The margins are so small,
on whether you finish or don't.

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It's renowned as the hardest foot race on earth.

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There is always the risk
that something could happen.

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You have to make sure
everything is in place, just in case.

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Every part of me wants to stop

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and I can't cool down.

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There's one goal

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and it's to get from A to B, as quickly as possible.

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And ideally not die halfway through it.

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One simple mistake here, your race is over.

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Everything's about extremities.

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One of the major systems for me,

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is this all or nothing approach.

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Basically, the more I mess myself up,

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the longer I feel better.

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I did it!

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No you didn't.

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Arthur, you want the first one?

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Yeah.

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Do you like making your pancakes?

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I do, I like making pancakes.

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So, I've known Simon for,

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probably, nearly five years.

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I found out he was into running,

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probably within the first five minutes

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of my interview with him.

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It was quite clear from first meeting him

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that he's all or nothing.

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You know, he's all in, basically, with everything.

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After knowing Simon, he does have those, kind of,

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attributes, whereby, if he wants something,

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he will go out and get it.

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So I first met Simon in Peru, on our jungle ultra.

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I think it was his first multi-day, at the time.

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So it was a big step up for him.

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He started off as a client and he's become

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a really good friend of mine over the years.

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My name's Simon Blair, I'm a business owner.

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I was diagnosed with a ADHD, middle of last year.

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It's been a journey since then.

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But I've got three children and I'm an ultra runner.

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So the Marathon des Sables is the one in the desert.

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I don't want you to do that.

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Why don't you want me to do that?

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Because you're gonna be gone for, like, ever.

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I'm gonna be gone forever?

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Yeah.

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Taking forever.

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Actually, daddy probably doesn't know, when he's away,

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what do we do when we come home from school

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and before we leave?

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What do we do on the computer?

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We look where you are.

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We track where you are.

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So you look at where my little dot is moving.

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And panic when it hasn't moved.

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Or it's in the wrong place.

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I don't think he's gonna make it to the finish line.

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He can make it close.

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Why do you not think that daddy's gonna make it?

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He didn't make the last one.

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'Cause you didn't make the last one.

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I think what Flo is trying to say,

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is, that she thinks you will make it

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but if you don't, that that's okay too.

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Is that right Flora?

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In 2021, post-pandemic,

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I went and tried to complete the Marathon des Sables.

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But I think, with some honesty,

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I probably wasn't quite mentally match fit.

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I think it's taken me this long to build myself up

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to a point where I feel mentally resilient enough

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to go back to the scene of the original crime.

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There's always a danger in terms of doing these

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kind of things.

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As his family's concerned,

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I would've thought that Faye
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the most, sort of, issues over it.

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A big concern for me, is,

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Simon being filmed while doing this.

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It's like an extra pressure.

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And when he starts his run, we have no contact at all.

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It is just relying on the tracker to see where he is.

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I am not settled until he is past that finish line

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and then I'm like, fine.

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I worry.

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The children miss him.

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I think when people think
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you know, rolling sand dunes and sandstorms.

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Some things are far more
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and rolling sand dunes.

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Nothingness is more scary than that.

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People with Simon's personality type,

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with Simon's brain, need this.

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They need this in their life, to be able to function

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and to be the best version of themselves.

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To keep pushing and keep succeeding.

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About five or six years ago, I took on therapy.

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I woke up one day and I just didn't feel great.

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I, you know, had that brain fog

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and that veil of, just a shade over my normal lens,

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you know, my positive lens.

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And I, you know, I went and sought therapy

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and some advice, straight away.

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For me, it's been the best thing

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that I've ever done, really, for myself.

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So Simon's diagnosis came about

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because I'd been doing a
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with his team.

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So he'd got to know and trust me.

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He recognized that he can be
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and that's been a real strength at work.

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But at times it meant that he was distracted

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or struggled to focus or other people would say,

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you know, "You're not paying attention.

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You forget details and things, you know".

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It's hard sometimes to be
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But her opening up that discussion, for me,

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led to me getting tested.

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Not surprisingly, it came back fairly clear.

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I think it was both a shock and not a shock, really.

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I think he was relieved, actually.

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I think he knew.

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I think it was just having a label,

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so he could say, right, now I understand.

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I think ADHD has been a part of my character

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for as long as my memories go back.

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It's only just recently that I've realized

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how central to my being that that is.

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Yeah, I think it made sense of a lot of things for him.

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The results have been around
the idea of understanding.

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There aren't solutions.

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There's no solutions.

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I think, you know, taking drugs

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to try and help certain
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I haven't explored that.

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For me, it's given me a much
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who I am.

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It's just confirmed something that I probably,

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subconsciously already knew.

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to what I am.

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It's interesting to think, why would Simon,

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who's really successful at work,

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want to punish himself out in the desert?

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you know, these ultramarathons,
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kind of, almost take yourself right to the edge.

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To find out what you're capable of.

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To really find out where,

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you know, failure lies.

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And that's very healthy for the ego.

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It's really good for the ego to be tested in that way.

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Search for balance is now become what

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I'm aspiring to try and find and retain.

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But, I can't, a lot of the time

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because it's just not natural for that to happen.

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is that it pulls you one way or the other,

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just in the most fierce ways.

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He's always gonna be a driven guy

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and this is just a vessel to keep that drive going.

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Part of me dreads this event.

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Looking down those long straits

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and visualizing the sand dunes and

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just the memories of the overwhelming heat.

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He was facing, probably one of the hottest years

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that race has ever had.

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It was a flip of a coin,

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as to whether he was going to finish.

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In any race, in extreme heat.

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The Sahara Desert, the Namib Desert,

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can often go, 45, 50 degree heat.

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With that comes real risk of death

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by, heat stroke, dehydration.

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I had the unfortunate experience of

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running next to this guy,
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when he was collapsing repeatedly.

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I went to help him.

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There were some other people there who were doctors.

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10, 15 minutes later, I saw
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There was a very solemn, somber
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It was announced he'd died,

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as a result of being on the course.

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I was messaging the company,
going, "Is Simon Blair okay?

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I'm Simon Blair's wife".

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I hadn't heard anything.

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It was playing on my mind a great deal.

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'Cause I was already extremely tired

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and I had nothing left to give,

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without taking some serious risks.

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And I decided that the best thing for me,

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would be to go home.

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When he rang me and said,

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"I'm not gonna carry on", I burst into tears

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'cause I knew what he would be like if he didn't do it.

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I'd never seen him like that,

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after he got back from the MDS with that failure.

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I'd never seen that Simon before.

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That was unusual to witness, as a friend.

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As a family, we kept saying

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how proud we were of him, regardless.

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But, after the Marathon des
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Anyone with ADHD, which I also have, will know that,

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you know, that we've all got this, kind of, fixation

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on certain things and obsessions.

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And, you know, running in
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is probably braver than continuing.

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So I think, actually, full credit to him for going,

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do you know what, this is getting dangerous,

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now I'm gonna pull it.

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I suppose, I was actually proud that he stopped.

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Because, although I wanted him to continue,

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I mean, that would've been
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The whole process is quite long

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and, you know, all the measuring out of

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various powders and potions.

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And then you see it in this form

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and you're, kind of, like, yeah, okay.

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We're kind of, one step closer to being ready to go

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A lot of sweets.

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Lots of sweets, yes, day one, day two, day three,

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day four, day five and day six.

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And a little medical stuff.

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Just in case you get hurt.

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Just in case you get hurt, yes.

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The first bit really is the, it's the logistics.

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You hear stories and jokes about people

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cutting their toothbrush in half.

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But people do.

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Because it saves you a few grams.

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It's a huge commitment.

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Oh, yes, that's perfect.

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There's a lot of planning

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that goes into the successful completion of a race.

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People with ADHD are often great in a crisis

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but not so good in something

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that needs a lot of preparation.

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I've got a lost box.

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Memory.

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You know, memory and retention,

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forgetting where I put things.

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I often forget my children's birthdays.

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I just don't remember.

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The memory issues around ADHD are brutal.

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A surprising number of
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an ADHD diagnosis.

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They've actually gone to the GP saying,

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I think I might have dementia.

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Yeah, memory issues are really common.

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I think, also, he's got so much going on in his head.

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He goes from one thing to another.

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So trying to, kind of, keep up with him

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and keep him focused on what he's doing,

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at one thing at a time, well, it's quite hard.

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The biggest problem he'll have,

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is that he's turning his world upside down

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to get this done.

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He's extremely messy.

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Being CEO of a company

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and you're running an ultramarathon,

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they are not two things, they easily combine.

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A lot of people with ADHD,

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they've put in, sometimes, knowingly,

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sometimes, unknowingly,
scaffolding and strategies

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that have them doing well.

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He has got very good at writing, like,

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a spreadsheet, that he follows.

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So he will send me that spreadsheet

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and we just have to tick it off.

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If you don't put it in place,
with real knowledge of self,

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it's too finely balanced, not to fail.

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To get ready for any of these things, sacrifices a lot.

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And the support network around Simon

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is also gonna feel it.

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His work colleagues, his
family, it's all encompassing

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and, kind of, just consumes your life.

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In the run up to these events, you know,

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I'm running and focusing on other things

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and my emotional and physical
time just isn't as present.

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One of the downsides of ADHD is that it can make you

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so intent on getting to your objective,

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that actually, it can be
difficult for people around that.

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When you're fully hyper-focused.

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There's a lot of problems
that Simon will face, with ADHD.

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But actually, when preparing
for these sorts of events,

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there are a lot of things that could fall in his favor.

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The focus and the obsession with something,

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is definitely gonna help him.

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It's definitely helped him in the past.

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When you have three children and then, holidays,

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when they're not at school, it's quite hard.

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So, I think, actually, to start with, I was a bit like,

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well, it's a bit of a desperate measure

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to take a break from your family.

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I'm not sure that I would be able to do these events

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on a number of different levels,

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if I wasn't supported in the way that I am at home.

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You know, I'm very fortunate in that way.

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And my children, you know, have learned from Faye.

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I think Faye acknowledges that I'm a better person.

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I'm not made to feel guilty for needing to do this.

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I think back to my 20s and I
wonder how the fucking hell

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I held any relationship down, to be honest, you know

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'cause you're just like,

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it's so disruptive.

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Now he's done a number of them,

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it's a bit medicinal, really, I think.

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I'm gonna have to dig deep, you know,

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I'm aware of that, you know.

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I think, running, in its nature, is quite simplistic.

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In Simon's case,

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I think it definitely brings order to the chaos.

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He's got quite a lotta chaos in his world, in his mind.

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Even narrowing down the task list for the day,

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get from point A to B,

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can definitely just calm the noise a little bit.

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Thank you very much.

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All you've got to do, for seven days,

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eat, sleep and run.

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What an existence.

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One, two.

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I mean, for me it just sounds treacherous, to be honest.

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So, I can't imagine why he wants to go out and do this.

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People fall very ill and
sometimes die on these things.

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My brain was bouncing around a bit last night.

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I think I'll feel some sense of anxiety,

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probably, when I see a sand dune,

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even if it's two meters high,

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it'll probably make me feel a bit peculiar.

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Probably not how I felt at
the beginning of the last one.

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It was good.

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He won't think this now

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but if he doesn't finish, he'll also be okay with it.

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I think he's actually at a
point in his journey with this,

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where, the result is one thing

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but he's realized the journey is important

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or he will, quite quickly after.

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I think he's putting a lotta pressure on himself.

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Unnecessary pressure.

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I think sometimes the bravest
thing, is to know your limits.

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And I just hope that he does know his limits,

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this time around.

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He's physically stronger but mentally stronger too.

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I think he will be good.

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He'll do well.

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He better do it, gosh.

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So that gives me anxiety.

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That thing.

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It is a sand dune but, it's not a mountain.

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Thing is, it's probably what I thought about a lot.

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It's a strange feeling 'cause it's almost dreamlike.

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Everybody has a different, sort of, mindset to things.

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Some people allow adversity,
previously in their lives,

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to affect the decisions that you make going forward.

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And some people use that as a position,

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in order to turn that into a positive.

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I have my own objectives

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because I'm looking to discover myself.

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I wanna understand me and what makes me tick

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and how I operate.

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But actually, it's becoming far more than that.

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I want to help people open up a dialogue.

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ADHD should be looked at as something

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that can enable people to
provide positivity to the world.

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Not blocking them off and not listening to them

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because they don't hit a certain criteria

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that we've become used to.

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You know, that results in the worst things.

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It's getting gradually hotter.

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So I'm trying to be really sensible, not gun it,

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probably get halfway through tomorrow

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and then start thinking about taking some paresis,

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while we're trying to be careful with it, with water.

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I've been in this game now for two decades.

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I've either been running, coaching

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or designing these races.

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So I've got to see a lot of
people take these journeys on.

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Simon is definitely one of those people

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that enjoys the highs and the lows.

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He wants to be rock bottom.

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He wants to be in that pain cave, that misery,

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that thing that's gonna ultimately push him

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to the absolute limit.

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Because he knows and he's experienced it in the past,

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that with this low, will become a real high.

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The bigger the low, the higher the high.

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And it impacts him in a way

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that has been ultimately life-changing for him.

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I think there needs to be a lot more information

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about ADHD and what it is and what it isn't.

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I think some people have a

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very stereotypical view of somebody with ADHD.

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And they think they might
be that loud person at school

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or that person that sits and fidgets all day.

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But there are different
versions of it for different people

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and people will adapt differently.

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Predominantly hyperactive is only 15%

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of people with ADHD.

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It's a significant proportion of women and girls.

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And so the idea that it's just a boy

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running around, is just wrong.

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People often ask me what ADHD is.

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And it's one of the ways in which people

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can be neurodivergent.

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So, neurodiversity means,
basically, brain-based difference.

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And it means that you experience the world

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in a different way.

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How you feel about the world,
how you think about the world.

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So it's really common.

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And ADHD's about one in 20 adults.

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I have done the Marathon des Sables in 2019 and 2022.

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I have ADHD.

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I tried to explain it to people by saying,

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it's like when you have your laptop open,

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for most, you know, kind of, typical thinkers,

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if they have too many windows
open, it drives them crazy.

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I always have that many windows open.

434
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You can get very charged up or very drained,

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I think, just a bit more easier than others.

436
00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:03,948
And it's difficult to prioritize, sometimes.

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I think it's really important, as society,

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to understand that there isn't one-size-fits-all,

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with any condition.

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There are general symptoms,

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some may be positive, some may be negative.

442
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But how a person generally handles it, is up to them.

443
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We're all unique individuals, plus ADHD.

444
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The event is so vast and so big, it's a bit crazy.

445
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So, I'm on a journey to try and control the chaos

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and stop the noise in my brain.

447
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And, it's not quite like that here.

448
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Whatever that means.

449
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This isn't just a holiday to
me, this is a necessary part

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of my own life journey.

451
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If I don't do these things,

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I will not perform at the highest level.

453
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I'm always aspiring to try and be as good as I can be.

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I mean, if I start with the guys in my tent,

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I might stick with them or track them a bit.

456
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But I'm gonna run, kinda, just getting through it,

457
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I quite like my own time.

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I think he would hold his hands up and say that he

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struggles with his mental health

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and actually, running, is one of the things that helps.

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Feel pretty positive.

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Just gotta tick through the miles.

463
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In the case of ultra running,

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the running itself is the therapy.

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Such an odd thing to try and explain to people,

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that actually, when you talk
about running ultramarathons,

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especially multi-stage ultramarathons, people are,

468
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kind of, intimidated by the scale of them.

469
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But, perhaps they're looking at it in the wrong way

470
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or not looking at it through my eyes.

471
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Coming here, it's like a complete swap

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of mental capabilities and responsibilities.

473
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People that hear that I've done this race say,

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"Oh, wow, you really like to punish yourself, don't you?"

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And it's a form of judgment, where,

476
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I certainly don't view it as punishment,

477
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I view it as push, especially when you have ADHD.

478
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If you push yourself to extreme limits,

479
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it is actually recharging the batteries

480
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and you go back, saying, there
was an enormous challenge

481
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and I did that, I am capable.

482
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I think people with ADHD really feel that even more

483
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than a typical thinker.

484
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So slow going.

485
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Kind of just concentrating on

486
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getting in other people's steps.

487
00:22:59,370 --> 00:23:00,933
Wow, that's cool.

488
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:03,168
Shit.

489
00:23:03,210 --> 00:23:04,429
Yeah, pretty cool.

490
00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:08,183
All right, enough of that.

491
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This will be here in a million years,

492
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so I can come back.

493
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I think the uphills broke my legs in, actually.

494
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I didn't really enjoy that bit but, then suddenly,

495
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running on sand felt a lot easier.

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He potentially uses ultramarathons

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as a way to keep him in training.

498
00:23:50,370 --> 00:23:52,758
You know, training and getting out and exercising,

499
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is basically medicine.

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And it is what keeps you, kind of, focused,

501
00:23:57,660 --> 00:23:59,735
your endorphins above, you know, ultimately,

502
00:23:59,777 --> 00:24:03,468
it's a dopamine deficiency problem, right.

503
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:06,198
And exercise raises that dopamine level.

504
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,358
I think it's almost a bit of an addiction, probably,

505
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on his part, in terms of the fact that he needs to do it.

506
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And, it's to say, I've got this
ultramarathon in the diary

507
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and kinda use it as a bit of a way to

508
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,430
manage his day-to-day life, really.

509
00:24:21,844 --> 00:24:23,761
Last 15K's been hard.

510
00:24:24,810 --> 00:24:27,528
It's all right, my feet need a little bit of attention

511
00:24:27,570 --> 00:24:29,469
but I really am okay.

512
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I will put 150% and more,

513
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leave nothing on the table, whatsoever.

514
00:24:38,940 --> 00:24:41,148
I don't think that's always healthy.

515
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:44,628
When it's over, this brain fog, kind of, ensues.

516
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At the time that you're going through these

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periods of brain fog, it seems to be

518
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after periods of extreme hyperfocus.

519
00:24:52,980 --> 00:24:54,528
You just run out of energy.

520
00:24:54,570 --> 00:24:57,948
It's almost like your mind is trying to get some rest.

521
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:59,718
It's extremely frustrating.

522
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,948
And it's like a form of depression, probably.

523
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:07,758
But without it taking you down those roads.

524
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,258
One of the reasons I love ultra running,

525
00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:10,998
is it gives me a chance to go away

526
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,978
and turn off from all these things.

527
00:25:13,020 --> 00:25:17,058
And when I come back, the brain fog has lifted

528
00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:20,628
and actually, I have then
complete clarity of thinking

529
00:25:20,670 --> 00:25:22,428
and it's just complete peace

530
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:24,378
and straight line decision-making.

531
00:25:24,420 --> 00:25:25,653
It all makes sense.

532
00:25:27,090 --> 00:25:28,658
Exercise is often talked
about as a treatment for ADHD

533
00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:31,398
and there's a really good evidence base for it.

534
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,508
It's also used as a treatment

535
00:25:32,550 --> 00:25:34,188
for other things, like, depression.

536
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:35,748
And the reason it's good for the brain,

537
00:25:35,790 --> 00:25:37,218
the reason, particularly with ADHD,

538
00:25:37,260 --> 00:25:38,298
exercise is good for the brain,

539
00:25:38,340 --> 00:25:40,368
is that it increases noradrenaline and dopamine.

540
00:25:40,410 --> 00:25:42,198
And those are low.

541
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,808
There are low levels of those
in people's brains, with ADHD.

542
00:25:44,850 --> 00:25:46,278
It increases levels of those chemicals

543
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,815
in about five minutes,

544
00:25:47,857 --> 00:25:50,328
which is quicker than any medicine can work.

545
00:25:50,370 --> 00:25:53,284
So it's something a lot of people use, to help focus.

546
00:25:56,328 --> 00:25:57,288
Yeah, it was all right.

547
00:25:57,330 --> 00:25:58,218
I'm glad it's over.

548
00:25:58,260 --> 00:26:00,198
Those second days are awful.

549
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,588
I think from the last experience that I had with MDS,

550
00:26:03,630 --> 00:26:06,468
I've learned how to treat myself.

551
00:26:06,510 --> 00:26:07,698
So, like, if I feel tired,

552
00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:09,768
I'm happy to go and have a rest for five minutes.

553
00:26:09,810 --> 00:26:11,478
Previously, I'd just run through exhaustion

554
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:12,708
and then I would've collapsed,

555
00:26:12,750 --> 00:26:15,738
I mean, I'd be in a heap but I'm in a controlled heap.

556
00:26:15,780 --> 00:26:17,568
I'm just tired and resting.

557
00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:20,160
Whereas, I'm not delirious today.

558
00:26:24,540 --> 00:26:26,418
Of course, I want the challenge.

559
00:26:26,460 --> 00:26:29,268
But actually, there's a big part of my mindset

560
00:26:29,310 --> 00:26:31,578
that's looking forward to giving my brain

561
00:26:31,620 --> 00:26:32,898
a bit of a holiday.

562
00:26:32,940 --> 00:26:36,978
And I can just relax on the
most basic of things, you know,

563
00:26:37,020 --> 00:26:39,048
by getting to a tree or getting to a corner

564
00:26:39,090 --> 00:26:41,440
or, you know, just getting to the end of a day.

565
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,148
It puts everything into context.

566
00:26:44,190 --> 00:26:47,658
Seeing a desert and, you know, just things

567
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:49,968
in a complete natural space,

568
00:26:50,010 --> 00:26:54,168
without any interferences from us, whatsoever.

569
00:26:54,210 --> 00:26:56,118
That to me, is peaceful.

570
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,248
That brings peace to the noise

571
00:26:58,290 --> 00:27:00,731
that sometimes comes into my brain, I think.

572
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,708
There is an additional challenge with his ADHD.

573
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:09,768
Where he's gonna have to
really focus on some certain areas

574
00:27:09,810 --> 00:27:11,088
to be successful.

575
00:27:11,130 --> 00:27:13,680
He's gonna have to quieten that noise, quite a lot.

576
00:27:15,690 --> 00:27:17,778
Today is a long stage.

577
00:27:17,820 --> 00:27:19,398
We're starting at six,

578
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,275
run for about three quarters an hour, in the dark.

579
00:27:22,317 --> 00:27:25,443
But it's quite a slog, to do 85 kilometers.

580
00:27:30,103 --> 00:27:32,893
Just so much depends on how tough the first

581
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:35,808
three or four hours are.

582
00:27:35,850 --> 00:27:38,250
Yeah, I'm just not sure what we're gonna do yet.

583
00:27:44,850 --> 00:27:48,858
The long stage is a pretty huge moment.

584
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:50,778
Once you've cracked it, you know,

585
00:27:50,820 --> 00:27:53,448
you've done something, you're well over halfway.

586
00:27:53,490 --> 00:27:55,308
So I'm just gonna take today really slow and steady,

587
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:58,458
just tick off the kilometers and the checkpoints

588
00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:00,708
and see how I sit by two o'clock,

589
00:28:00,750 --> 00:28:02,682
then make a decision about whether I'm gonna stay

590
00:28:02,724 --> 00:28:07,398
at a checkpoint for three
hours while the sun settles down

591
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,231
and then go again.

592
00:28:08,273 --> 00:28:09,498
Or if I feel good, I'll go.

593
00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:12,198
Yeah, last time I didn't do the long stage

594
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,333
'cause the long stage was on the fourth day.

595
00:28:15,270 --> 00:28:16,098
Simon.

596
00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:17,478
Yeah.

597
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:18,915
Yeah.

598
00:28:21,206 --> 00:28:22,412
Oh he's the joker.

599
00:28:22,454 --> 00:28:23,770
You're a joker.

600
00:28:25,470 --> 00:28:26,675
I didn't get to do the long stage

601
00:28:26,717 --> 00:28:29,235
'cause I pulled out on the morning of day four.

602
00:28:29,277 --> 00:28:31,698
And I feel intimidated by it

603
00:28:31,740 --> 00:28:34,908
but, I'm just gonna clock it off, you know,

604
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:36,588
checkpoint by checkpoint.

605
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:39,285
And have a good look at two o'clock and see how I stand.

606
00:28:39,327 --> 00:28:44,191
Oh, the distance today is, 85.3 kilometers.

607
00:28:47,181 --> 00:28:48,438
The long stage is gonna be hard for them

608
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,908
to tap into flow states.

609
00:28:49,950 --> 00:28:52,278
All of the other runners around them,

610
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,238
intense hunger, intense thirst, which only grows.

611
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,478
It will be so hard to get into the zone and stay in it

612
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,158
and not be distracted by your sore feet.

613
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,888
Your 15 blisters, the hot desert sun.

614
00:29:03,930 --> 00:29:05,988
There's some parts of this where Simon's brain

615
00:29:06,030 --> 00:29:10,128
will consume knowledge at a
rate, faster than anyone else.

616
00:29:10,170 --> 00:29:11,778
But at the same time, when it comes to the race

617
00:29:11,820 --> 00:29:13,878
and it comes to the time where it gets difficult,

618
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,218
one simple mistake here, your race is over.

619
00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:17,868
Not drinking water on time,

620
00:29:17,910 --> 00:29:20,700
not look after a small blister, your race can be done.

621
00:30:28,384 --> 00:30:31,301
Woo, that was amazing, going down

622
00:30:33,307 --> 00:30:36,521
That hill was weirdly, quite enjoyable.

623
00:30:36,563 --> 00:30:39,228
But I'm just gonna really try and stay within myself.

624
00:30:39,270 --> 00:30:40,338
Don't overdo it.

625
00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:42,967
It's dangerous to go too quick.

626
00:31:27,196 --> 00:31:27,987
Yeah, it's getting hot now.

627
00:31:29,395 --> 00:31:31,444
Hard work, getting over the brinks.

628
00:31:45,270 --> 00:31:46,501
It's just amazing.

629
00:31:46,543 --> 00:31:49,428
As tiny as it is, you kinda, almost, like,

630
00:31:49,470 --> 00:31:53,173
compartmentalize it 'cause it's just so beautiful.

631
00:31:59,395 --> 00:32:01,553
It's getting warmer, it feels hotter than yesterday.

632
00:32:03,090 --> 00:32:04,698
Those long straights are gonna be the issue

633
00:32:04,740 --> 00:32:07,008
because I imagine there's
gonna be quite a lot of those.

634
00:32:07,050 --> 00:32:09,423
The actual gains from running in the heat,

635
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,328
the peak of the day, on a day like today, are just zero.

636
00:32:14,370 --> 00:32:15,161
I just don't see any benefit.

637
00:32:15,203 --> 00:32:19,248
I've felt, in reasonable spirits up until now.

638
00:32:19,290 --> 00:32:21,378
These flats, like the one we're about to do,

639
00:32:21,420 --> 00:32:23,418
the ones that cause me damage.

640
00:32:23,460 --> 00:32:27,543
So, the next two stages will be quite big for me.

641
00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:33,378
I'm sure I'll revisit some old demons.

642
00:32:33,420 --> 00:32:35,898
A lot of the focus is on the extreme temperatures,

643
00:32:35,940 --> 00:32:37,368
with these things.

644
00:32:37,410 --> 00:32:40,038
But people forget that
they're still running 150 miles

645
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:40,938
over five days.

646
00:32:40,980 --> 00:32:43,218
Even in temperate conditions, you'll still get

647
00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:46,218
repetitive strain injuries, hips, knees, ankles.

648
00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:48,528
And you have to pay attention to that, as well.

649
00:32:48,570 --> 00:32:51,078
Every day you're basically doing a different ultra,

650
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,018
across some of the most
extreme conditions in the world.

651
00:32:54,060 --> 00:32:56,538
All the time you're getting
stimulated by your environment,

652
00:32:56,580 --> 00:32:58,908
by the other runners around you

653
00:32:58,950 --> 00:33:00,558
but you've got this goal in the background.

654
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,018
So for some people who are neurodivergent

655
00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:06,108
and have ADHD, that might
be the perfect sport for them.

656
00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:08,868
I'm a volunteer here at MDS.

657
00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:12,888
I was a late diagnosed ADHDer.

658
00:33:12,930 --> 00:33:15,910
I always think things end up into buzzwords, you know

659
00:33:16,765 --> 00:33:20,928
and ADHD is a superpower, well, do you know what,

660
00:33:20,970 --> 00:33:23,898
I suppose it's advantageous sometimes

661
00:33:23,940 --> 00:33:25,218
but it's also a hindrance

662
00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:27,498
because it's very nerve-racking sometimes,

663
00:33:27,540 --> 00:33:29,328
when you just wanna be organized

664
00:33:29,370 --> 00:33:31,248
and you wanna stop fighting with yourself.

665
00:33:31,290 --> 00:33:35,175
Grabbing hold of hyperfocus is a wonderful thing.

666
00:33:35,217 --> 00:33:37,008
And it's wonderful if it fits the right thing

667
00:33:37,050 --> 00:33:38,355
and it's terrible if it's the wrong thing.

668
00:33:38,397 --> 00:33:40,518
You can't always just hyperfocus

669
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,856
on what you wanna hyperfocus on.

670
00:33:43,740 --> 00:33:46,458
Like, something happens and you have to do this,

671
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:48,288
this, this, this and screw everything else

672
00:33:48,330 --> 00:33:49,121
that you were supposed to do

673
00:33:49,163 --> 00:33:50,628
'cause you're hyperfocused on this.

674
00:33:50,670 --> 00:33:52,698
We have a huge problem,

675
00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:54,338
that it's part of human experience

676
00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:55,788
to have a problem with focus, right.

677
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:57,978
To procrastinate before something,

678
00:33:58,020 --> 00:34:01,098
potentially to struggle to
focus every now and again.

679
00:34:01,140 --> 00:34:03,378
That is not the ADHD experience.

680
00:34:03,420 --> 00:34:05,568
The ADHD experience is having a debilitating

681
00:34:05,610 --> 00:34:06,498
impact on your life.

682
00:34:06,540 --> 00:34:10,428
It's exactly the same way
that depression isn't sadness.

683
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:13,938
That chronic anxiety isn't anxious on a first date.

684
00:34:13,980 --> 00:34:16,398
That OCD isn't a tidy kitchen.

685
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,485
Like, they have wildly different things.

686
00:34:54,929 --> 00:34:56,511
As hot as it's been all week, really.

687
00:34:56,553 --> 00:34:58,037
It's absolutely brutal.

688
00:34:58,079 --> 00:34:59,413
Hot.

689
00:34:59,455 --> 00:35:00,872
Really hot today.

690
00:35:34,993 --> 00:35:36,631
Got strength for a walk.

691
00:35:36,673 --> 00:35:37,998
I was pretty roasted.

692
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,318
Unpacked our bags, took our shoes off

693
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,378
and just chilled out for about two hours.

694
00:35:45,420 --> 00:35:49,083
A real lesson in historical
learning, with these events.

695
00:35:50,709 --> 00:35:52,209
I would've just gone on before

696
00:35:53,410 --> 00:35:56,028
and that would've been extraordinarily dangerous.

697
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:58,060
I mean, we're well over halfway now

698
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,298
but, drags and drags and drags.

699
00:36:02,340 --> 00:36:05,495
My mindset, with, well, you know,

700
00:36:05,537 --> 00:36:10,278
with ADHD, it's not suitable for this type of thing.

701
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,648
I think one of the reasons I do this,

702
00:36:12,690 --> 00:36:16,698
is to try and exercise
discipline and I struggle with it.

703
00:36:16,740 --> 00:36:19,158
You know, you're in your head, you're like, stop, stop,

704
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,478
have a break, stop, just gotta keep going, keep going.

705
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,433
Every part of me wants to stop, when it's like that.

706
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,424
But I won't.

707
00:36:31,050 --> 00:36:34,490
My biggest problem right now, is overheating.

708
00:36:34,532 --> 00:36:37,308
'Cause my head starts to throb.

709
00:36:37,350 --> 00:36:39,393
I mean, I can't cool down.

710
00:36:44,269 --> 00:36:45,628
Good, thank you.

711
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:46,623
Okay, thank you.

712
00:36:56,070 --> 00:36:57,556
Just to get off those dunes.

713
00:36:57,598 --> 00:36:58,389
Yeah.

714
00:36:58,431 --> 00:36:59,418
Once you get off those dunes.

715
00:36:59,460 --> 00:37:00,251
Yeah.

716
00:37:00,293 --> 00:37:01,126
A bit of hard standing.

717
00:37:02,250 --> 00:37:04,833
So that means, like, hot, hot, hot.

718
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:07,878
When you're racing in an extreme environment,

719
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,818
it's not always about the
race, it's about the conditions

720
00:37:10,860 --> 00:37:12,708
that you face when you're there.

721
00:37:12,750 --> 00:37:15,948
Someone can be fine, to needing medical extraction,

722
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:17,658
within the space of 20 minutes.

723
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:18,648
It's certainly arduous.

724
00:37:18,690 --> 00:37:20,403
It's so still and there's no wind.

725
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:22,548
You feel like you're baking.

726
00:37:22,590 --> 00:37:24,288
You're both going through the same thing.

727
00:37:24,330 --> 00:37:26,658
You're both feeling the same emotions.

728
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:29,700
And, you know, together,
you're almost, kinda, joint forces,

729
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:32,988
to combat it, as opposed to doing it alone,

730
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:34,488
which can be quite daunting and difficult,

731
00:37:34,530 --> 00:37:36,438
particularly in, you know,
in an environment like this,

732
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,168
when there's two of you with the same goal.

733
00:37:39,210 --> 00:37:41,028
Yeah, you can, kind of, sort of, drive each other on.

734
00:37:41,070 --> 00:37:41,861
He's been great.

735
00:37:41,903 --> 00:37:43,578
Tell me everything, put my sun cream on

736
00:37:43,620 --> 00:37:46,320
and make sure I'm drinking and so on and so forth, so.

737
00:37:53,896 --> 00:37:56,118
This is the best way to get to know anyone.

738
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:56,951
There's nothing.

739
00:37:56,993 --> 00:37:57,959
It doesn't matter who you are

740
00:37:58,001 --> 00:38:00,228
or where you come from or what your background is.

741
00:38:00,270 --> 00:38:01,533
You are what you are.

742
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:06,282
That to me is probably the most exciting thing.

743
00:38:20,384 --> 00:38:23,898
When you're halfway through a race, like the MDS,

744
00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:27,138
you almost certainly got
something happening to you

745
00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:28,630
that wasn't part of the plan.

746
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,948
Suffering now.

747
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:35,958
Blisters, could be a whole load of things

748
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,478
but, you know, a lot of people will be thinking,

749
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,418
this wasn't in my plan and start to panic.

750
00:38:41,460 --> 00:38:42,678
Simon, again, is experienced.

751
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:44,208
So he's seen a lot of these things

752
00:38:44,250 --> 00:38:45,648
and will probably stay relaxed.

753
00:38:45,690 --> 00:38:47,283
Very, very, very sore.

754
00:38:48,450 --> 00:38:51,603
Feet are really starting to break down now.

755
00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:53,958
A lot must go into these races

756
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,258
to test ourselves physically and mentally.

757
00:38:57,300 --> 00:38:59,148
And at some point in the race, you know,

758
00:38:59,190 --> 00:39:00,768
we will be utterly broken.

759
00:39:00,810 --> 00:39:04,578
So it's been hot all day, now the sun's going down,

760
00:39:04,620 --> 00:39:09,093
one problem disappears and another one rises.

761
00:39:09,999 --> 00:39:11,448
So, literally, as soon as the sun's gone down,

762
00:39:11,490 --> 00:39:13,803
my feet have just stepped up about five years.

763
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:15,678
When the sun goes down,

764
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:17,778
there's a different set of challenges.

765
00:39:17,820 --> 00:39:20,478
The way I would like to run it would be in the daytime.

766
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,338
I don't really want to run at night at all.

767
00:39:22,380 --> 00:39:23,808
I've never enjoyed running at night.

768
00:39:23,850 --> 00:39:27,408
It's very easy to focus entirely on the physical side.

769
00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:30,393
But it's a mental race, more than a physical race.

770
00:39:40,773 --> 00:39:41,940
I am so hot,

771
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,343
I want water.

772
00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:48,880
It's where we have still plenty of energy

773
00:39:50,627 --> 00:39:53,028
to enjoy this part of the stage.

774
00:39:53,070 --> 00:39:54,318
It's not entirely true of course

775
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,910
but we have to keep the spirit.

776
00:39:58,212 --> 00:39:59,508
I just want it done now, you know.

777
00:39:59,550 --> 00:40:02,405
Starting to not think very clearly.

778
00:40:02,447 --> 00:40:04,098
That's the problem when you get tired,

779
00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:05,793
you just start to fucking.

780
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:11,364
Just not very organized, are you?

781
00:40:11,406 --> 00:40:12,648
You know what I mean?

782
00:40:12,690 --> 00:40:14,373
Start to fucking drop the ball.

783
00:40:16,332 --> 00:40:17,930
The thing is, you're just getting

784
00:40:17,972 --> 00:40:20,091
close to, kind of, exhaustion.

785
00:40:20,133 --> 00:40:22,278
I'm feeling a little bit dehydrated,

786
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,578
despite constant drinking, every five minutes.

787
00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:28,248
But, we just need to get our heads up and go on.

788
00:40:28,290 --> 00:40:30,918
My children, keep thinking about them.

789
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,268
These latter stages, you know, they strip you away

790
00:40:35,310 --> 00:40:39,131
of lots of things and perhaps that's, in a sick way,

791
00:40:39,173 --> 00:40:41,058
part of the attraction.

792
00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:42,900
That allows me to, kind of, build up

793
00:40:43,748 --> 00:40:46,488
my reserves again, in a very strange way.

794
00:40:46,530 --> 00:40:49,278
It's extremely intimidating to come back

795
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,448
to a place like this and revisit those things.

796
00:40:53,490 --> 00:40:56,418
You know, this is a big achievement today.

797
00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:58,563
Honestly, I really am broken.

798
00:41:01,047 --> 00:41:05,583
I think, smiling and being jovial, is, kind of, my way of

799
00:41:06,570 --> 00:41:09,918
placating certain things, you know, normal stuff.

800
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,938
ADHD at school, played the fool, disruptive,

801
00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:16,128
I guess it got me attention of some kind,

802
00:41:16,170 --> 00:41:18,783
which I was attracted to.

803
00:41:20,037 --> 00:41:22,037
And that's, kind of, like, stuck with me

804
00:41:23,752 --> 00:41:25,278
throughout my adult life too.

805
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,918
I do think that's a defense mechanism.

806
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,620
It would be good to help

807
00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:33,408
myself and people like me,

808
00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:37,158
not feel like they have to repress their emotion.

809
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,018
There's no judgment in running.

810
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:40,958
I love the fact that there's no judgment

811
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,788
on where you come from, how much money you have,

812
00:41:43,830 --> 00:41:45,180
you know, any of that shit.

813
00:41:47,130 --> 00:41:48,230
It's really important.

814
00:41:49,957 --> 00:41:53,418
I think, you know, we're very fortunate in the west,

815
00:41:53,460 --> 00:41:55,668
you know, things are getting easier by the day

816
00:41:55,710 --> 00:41:58,818
and I think you need to remember we were born in caves,

817
00:41:58,860 --> 00:42:02,575
so we're quite robust bits of pit, as I would like to say.

818
00:42:02,617 --> 00:42:04,136
And I think it's good to test that.

819
00:42:04,178 --> 00:42:05,988
It puts things into perspective.

820
00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:09,093
I'll go away from this better than before I started.

821
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,666
Both physically and mentally.

822
00:42:12,708 --> 00:42:13,698
A little broken, to be fair.

823
00:42:13,740 --> 00:42:14,628
Not physically.

824
00:42:14,670 --> 00:42:15,678
The thing with these races,

825
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:18,078
you've gotta decompress for a bit to

826
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,321
figure out what you got out of it.

827
00:42:20,363 --> 00:42:21,948
At the moment I've just got pain.

828
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:24,003
And I miss my family.

829
00:42:25,274 --> 00:42:28,278
Which, comes part and parcel of it.

830
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,743
You sign up to do this stuff, it's gonna hurt.

831
00:42:40,523 --> 00:42:42,190
Simon!

832
00:42:44,642 --> 00:42:45,639
Broken.

833
00:42:45,681 --> 00:42:46,598
Oh, my God.

834
00:42:48,236 --> 00:42:49,069
Breathe.

835
00:42:50,061 --> 00:42:50,978
Oh, my God.

836
00:43:02,193 --> 00:43:03,773
There's a lot of very hurt people.

837
00:43:12,979 --> 00:43:16,896
A little bit, you know, anxious

838
00:43:16,938 --> 00:43:18,261
about going out again tomorrow.

839
00:43:18,303 --> 00:43:19,848
But, just gotta eat today

840
00:43:19,890 --> 00:43:22,668
and make sure to make the most of the rest

841
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:25,936
and get as much food down as humanly possible.

842
00:43:30,990 --> 00:43:32,538
Some people come here

843
00:43:32,580 --> 00:43:34,368
and they think that they are well-trained

844
00:43:34,410 --> 00:43:36,048
because they did some other races

845
00:43:36,090 --> 00:43:39,408
but, it's another story, you know, to live in the desert

846
00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:42,678
and to be able to do 250 kilometers, it's another story.

847
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,298
Here the problem is the temperature.

848
00:43:44,340 --> 00:43:48,258
We have two things, is the heat and your feet.

849
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:50,148
We are not talking about small blisters,

850
00:43:50,190 --> 00:43:52,098
like with your shoes, in your city.

851
00:43:52,140 --> 00:43:55,128
We are talking about some blister, like potatoes.

852
00:43:55,170 --> 00:43:57,258
That's why you have to take care of your feet

853
00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:58,308
every day, okay.

854
00:43:58,350 --> 00:44:01,398
Because with the sand, it can be a big problem.

855
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:02,273
And the heat.

856
00:44:25,925 --> 00:44:27,981
I found today, that after a long stage like that,

857
00:44:28,023 --> 00:44:30,228
I've had a chance to, kind of, daydream of it

858
00:44:30,270 --> 00:44:33,078
and think about getting over halfway

859
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,860
and thinking about how clear it is that

860
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:40,218
most people have got something.

861
00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:42,190
The one resounding

862
00:44:43,050 --> 00:44:46,482
bit of drive, that's coming forward,

863
00:44:46,524 --> 00:44:48,124
is to help young people who have

864
00:44:50,037 --> 00:44:53,388
got something going on, that isn't considered normal.

865
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:56,778
Having a neurodivergent condition, such as ADHD,

866
00:44:56,820 --> 00:44:58,338
has its challenges.

867
00:44:58,380 --> 00:45:00,888
Some of those challenges, in childhood

868
00:45:00,930 --> 00:45:02,538
or when you're a teenager,

869
00:45:02,580 --> 00:45:05,448
a young person can be really difficult

870
00:45:05,490 --> 00:45:06,468
getting help with that

871
00:45:06,510 --> 00:45:08,868
or getting other people to relate to you better,

872
00:45:08,910 --> 00:45:12,738
knowing better how you tick, how you can pass exams,

873
00:45:12,780 --> 00:45:14,388
talk to people, socialize, all the things

874
00:45:14,430 --> 00:45:16,998
that some people take for absolute granted.

875
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,278
Some people with ADHD really struggle with.

876
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,798
There is an increased suicide rate

877
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,748
and that could be possibly addressed

878
00:45:23,790 --> 00:45:25,158
by helping people earlier.

879
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,618
All focus should be on trying to avoid people

880
00:45:27,660 --> 00:45:29,748
getting to a point where they take their own lives

881
00:45:29,790 --> 00:45:33,468
or spiral into some form of unnecessary depression,

882
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:35,628
whether they're a male or female.

883
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:37,743
It does seem to be a common denominator,

884
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:43,368
women feel like they're not talked about enough,

885
00:45:43,410 --> 00:45:45,321
in regards to ADHD because of the way

886
00:45:45,363 --> 00:45:47,478
that they seem to develop when they're young.

887
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,658
It's just the void between the two genders,

888
00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:52,115
I think, is just less clear

889
00:45:52,157 --> 00:45:54,378
'cause boys seem so much more immature

890
00:45:54,420 --> 00:45:56,868
and it just comes to the front earlier.

891
00:45:56,910 --> 00:46:00,168
We have a massive problem in the underdiagnosis,

892
00:46:00,210 --> 00:46:01,038
a full stop.

893
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,218
But we have a bigger
underdiagnosis problem in girls.

894
00:46:04,260 --> 00:46:07,308
That stereotype, are you a little boy running around

895
00:46:07,350 --> 00:46:08,448
and are you disruptive?

896
00:46:08,490 --> 00:46:10,458
Whereas, a little girl is
more likely to be disruptive,

897
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:11,628
really, to herself.

898
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:12,858
And on top of that,

899
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:16,488
a lot of the research has been male only.

900
00:46:16,530 --> 00:46:20,028
And so, that understanding of women and girls,

901
00:46:20,070 --> 00:46:22,620
has not been researched properly and needs to be.

902
00:46:22,662 --> 00:46:23,453
Basically, you should be able to talk about

903
00:46:23,495 --> 00:46:24,438
whatever you wanna talk about,

904
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:25,993
with whoever you wanna talk about it with.

905
00:46:26,868 --> 00:46:27,910
That's the bottom line.

906
00:46:56,340 --> 00:46:58,578
My pack feels a lot lighter.

907
00:46:58,620 --> 00:47:00,303
I think having a day's rest,

908
00:47:01,260 --> 00:47:03,438
fuck, it just makes such a difference.

909
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,508
But, I'm not blind to the fact

910
00:47:05,550 --> 00:47:07,528
this could be short-lived, so,

911
00:47:07,570 --> 00:47:09,258
I'll just try and gun as much as I can,

912
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:11,203
until the sun gets hotter.

913
00:47:14,349 --> 00:47:15,601
We're getting stronger baby.

914
00:47:20,716 --> 00:47:22,305
No?

915
00:47:22,347 --> 00:47:24,168
28.4 anyways now.

916
00:47:24,210 --> 00:47:25,001
Already?

917
00:47:25,043 --> 00:47:25,834
Yep.

918
00:47:25,876 --> 00:47:26,826
Great, thank you.

919
00:47:26,868 --> 00:47:27,888
You know, in this race,

920
00:47:27,930 --> 00:47:31,578
you can find some very, very different people.

921
00:47:31,620 --> 00:47:34,008
That mean you have some CEO of companies

922
00:47:34,050 --> 00:47:35,448
and you have some workers.

923
00:47:35,490 --> 00:47:39,138
In this race, they are not anymore CEO or workers.

924
00:47:39,180 --> 00:47:42,078
They are in the same camp, they have the same tent,

925
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,058
they have the same things.

926
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:47,946
The mind that I need to tame periodically,

927
00:47:47,988 --> 00:47:49,368
feels like it's at, you know,

928
00:47:49,410 --> 00:47:51,588
a relative peace, at the moment.

929
00:47:51,630 --> 00:47:56,418
Kind of, found my own ways of treating myself.

930
00:47:56,460 --> 00:47:59,148
It's very severe but, you know,

931
00:47:59,190 --> 00:48:03,174
I'll feel good for months, not days.

932
00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:22,218
It's almost like you can't cool yourself down

933
00:48:22,260 --> 00:48:23,051
quicker than you're heating up.

934
00:48:23,093 --> 00:48:26,688
So it's just like a bit of a chess game, really.

935
00:48:26,730 --> 00:48:27,828
Keep your sodium levels right,

936
00:48:27,870 --> 00:48:29,538
keep the fluids constantly going in.

937
00:48:29,580 --> 00:48:30,480
Dave, you going.

938
00:48:34,795 --> 00:48:37,973
My pee is dark orange, almost blood orange.

939
00:48:39,103 --> 00:48:40,970
You've got such a huge calorie deficit.

940
00:48:42,435 --> 00:48:43,968
Your body's just eating itself.

941
00:48:44,010 --> 00:48:44,838
It's a machine.

942
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,108
It's widely regarded as being the hardest foot race

943
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:48,941
on the planet.

944
00:48:48,983 --> 00:48:51,195
Essentially, you're there to get yourself through it.

945
00:48:51,237 --> 00:48:53,687
But you are an island in the Sahara.

946
00:49:00,356 --> 00:49:03,678
Flats, runable and then it just went into dune, sand

947
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:05,793
and hell, you know, it's just stifling.

948
00:49:08,129 --> 00:49:09,803
That was very difficult.

949
00:49:09,845 --> 00:49:11,378
Ah!

950
00:49:13,533 --> 00:49:14,366
Top job.

951
00:49:16,590 --> 00:49:18,228
So we're going down a route here,

952
00:49:18,270 --> 00:49:21,468
where we're choosing to talk really openly about it.

953
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:23,088
Most people don't have that

954
00:49:23,130 --> 00:49:25,788
and they're just locked off to it, you know,

955
00:49:25,830 --> 00:49:29,268
to the point that it really alienates themselves

956
00:49:29,310 --> 00:49:30,101
from their own life.

957
00:49:30,143 --> 00:49:34,518
I see my son, who's got ADHD and I see myself,

958
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,378
as, at his age.

959
00:49:36,420 --> 00:49:38,418
He can't help it, you know,

960
00:49:38,460 --> 00:49:41,058
it's just electricity coming out of

961
00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:43,428
his every pore, at different points

962
00:49:43,470 --> 00:49:44,928
and he doesn't know what to do with that.

963
00:49:44,970 --> 00:49:49,308
We know that 76% of ADHD
can be described genetically.

964
00:49:49,350 --> 00:49:51,558
We've seen that through a whole lot of studies,

965
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:52,728
particularly twin studies.

966
00:49:52,770 --> 00:49:56,268
Almost every case, if one identical twin has ADHD,

967
00:49:56,310 --> 00:49:58,183
the other has ADHD.

968
00:50:06,930 --> 00:50:09,663
Little bit of a negative mindset.

969
00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:14,813
Just haven't been able to get into a rhythm.

970
00:50:15,733 --> 00:50:17,591
The desert is a beautiful, beautiful place

971
00:50:17,633 --> 00:50:19,413
but it's ruthless.

972
00:50:22,530 --> 00:50:24,228
Training of the mind.

973
00:50:24,270 --> 00:50:26,148
Pick yourself up, go again.

974
00:50:26,190 --> 00:50:29,088
Don't lose your focus and your temper.

975
00:50:29,130 --> 00:50:33,010
Take things in a balanced way

976
00:50:33,870 --> 00:50:36,213
and then, eventually, you get what you want.

977
00:50:37,410 --> 00:50:38,243
More dreams.

978
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,678
I had a horrible night's sleep.

979
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:57,069
Mentally, I'm choosing not
to be very positive right now.

980
00:50:57,111 --> 00:51:00,611
But, the fact is, we've got one last push.

981
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,688
It's been an amazing experience, in some respects.

982
00:51:05,730 --> 00:51:07,878
It's been incredible just to talk to people

983
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,938
so openly about ADHD.

984
00:51:10,980 --> 00:51:12,978
It feels like it's almost a relief for people

985
00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:14,778
to open up and talk about it.

986
00:51:14,820 --> 00:51:18,108
And perhaps we're assisting in creating a bridge

987
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:19,350
to allow that to happen.

988
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:24,258
People say it changes you.

989
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:25,938
You don't believe them but it does change us.

990
00:51:25,980 --> 00:51:28,518
I think everyone here definitely has a story.

991
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,618
I was meant to do it with my brother and he died.

992
00:51:30,660 --> 00:51:32,298
And then, my mum's unwell,

993
00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:34,608
so I'm doing it to raise money for her hospital.

994
00:51:34,650 --> 00:51:37,908
Unless you've got a reason, you're not gonna finish it.

995
00:51:37,950 --> 00:51:40,878
I think, sometimes you need to push your limits,

996
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,228
just to feel alive.

997
00:51:42,270 --> 00:51:43,128
I think it's just going home

998
00:51:43,170 --> 00:51:44,568
and appreciate things a bit more.

999
00:51:44,610 --> 00:51:46,050
Kind of puts it all in perspective.

1000
00:51:52,650 --> 00:51:55,938
There's nothing more valuable than actual examples

1001
00:51:55,980 --> 00:51:58,938
of people who have got ADHD.

1002
00:51:58,980 --> 00:52:01,608
People just don't like talking about it,

1003
00:52:01,650 --> 00:52:05,508
until it impacts them or there's a kid in their family

1004
00:52:05,550 --> 00:52:06,341
who's got it.

1005
00:52:06,383 --> 00:52:09,768
Should it be taught in school, what these things are?

1006
00:52:09,810 --> 00:52:12,045
Being more open, talking about it.

1007
00:52:12,087 --> 00:52:15,198
And then knowing that
having ADHD doesn't necessarily

1008
00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:17,298
limit you from doing something.

1009
00:52:17,340 --> 00:52:19,128
It can be addressed far earlier.

1010
00:52:19,170 --> 00:52:20,538
And before it gets a chance

1011
00:52:20,580 --> 00:52:23,808
to develop into something a bit more suspect,

1012
00:52:23,850 --> 00:52:26,478
it can be blocks off and rediverted.

1013
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,728
That really is where this goes.

1014
00:52:28,770 --> 00:52:30,363
But that isn't a quick fix.

1015
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,378
A lot of pain.

1016
00:52:33,420 --> 00:52:35,680
This is the hardest thing I've ever done.

1017
00:52:35,722 --> 00:52:37,818
Hand down, hardest thing I've ever done.

1018
00:52:37,860 --> 00:52:39,198
I think it's really important

1019
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:42,258
to help people find a diagnosis early.

1020
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:44,928
A diagnosis turns the lights up

1021
00:52:44,970 --> 00:52:47,778
and suddenly you can see your mates, you can navigate.

1022
00:52:47,820 --> 00:52:48,738
When we talk to people,

1023
00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:50,808
we know how life-changing it is for them.

1024
00:52:50,850 --> 00:52:52,195
Same time.

1025
00:52:52,237 --> 00:52:53,028
We go ahead.

1026
00:52:57,479 --> 00:52:58,270
Living with ADHD,

1027
00:52:58,312 --> 00:53:00,078
you've gotta make some quite big decisions.

1028
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,718
When to push yourself and when to be kind to yourself.

1029
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,598
You can only really do that
if you really properly know.

1030
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,058
If you have a formal diagnosis.

1031
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:09,468
There is a sense of, sort of,

1032
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:11,298
coming home, being understood

1033
00:53:11,340 --> 00:53:12,168
and that's really common

1034
00:53:12,210 --> 00:53:14,448
when somebody has an ADHD diagnosis, is, sort of,

1035
00:53:14,490 --> 00:53:17,238
coming to understand why they are the way they are.

1036
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,208
It's like a light bulb and you're so happy

1037
00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:22,488
because you're like, I knew something was wrong.

1038
00:53:22,530 --> 00:53:24,228
That explains everything.

1039
00:53:24,270 --> 00:53:27,108
I think he just was happy to go, yes, I do have that.

1040
00:53:27,150 --> 00:53:28,608
Where he comes into his own though,

1041
00:53:28,650 --> 00:53:30,798
it provides you with hyperfocus,

1042
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,328
especially around things

1043
00:53:32,370 --> 00:53:34,218
that you're genuinely interested in.

1044
00:53:34,260 --> 00:53:35,118
And so the enlightenment

1045
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,238
of actually knowing, is life-changing.

1046
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,098
You've got the keys to the car.

1047
00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:41,748
You can seek help for that.

1048
00:53:41,790 --> 00:53:42,735
You can get medication for that.

1049
00:53:42,777 --> 00:53:44,238
You can look at support groups.

1050
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,458
You can start to really play to your strengths

1051
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:47,538
and manage your weaknesses

1052
00:53:47,580 --> 00:53:48,858
in a way you just couldn't before.

1053
00:53:48,900 --> 00:53:50,538
Knowing how you tick, helps you function.

1054
00:53:50,580 --> 00:53:55,580
I think it could just lead to a
happier, more informed you,

1055
00:53:55,650 --> 00:53:58,338
which, essentially, is what we're all aiming for.

1056
00:53:58,380 --> 00:53:59,780
It's a peace with ourselves.

1057
00:54:01,437 --> 00:54:05,748
2021, it's just represented so many things.

1058
00:54:05,790 --> 00:54:07,278
It wasn't just about the race.

1059
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,123
I stared into the voids that year.

1060
00:54:10,740 --> 00:54:15,108
This is a realization of how far I've come.

1061
00:54:15,150 --> 00:54:16,908
I've used something that I've probably known I've had,

1062
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:21,798
for a long time, as an
extremely positive influence on,

1063
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,478
for many, many things.

1064
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,358
There's absolutely no doubt that it's meaningful

1065
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,868
and powerful, if it could be understood.

1066
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:33,948
But that's different in every single child and adult.

1067
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:36,768
And that's why it can't be, just labeled.

1068
00:54:36,810 --> 00:54:37,953
It has to be broader.

1069
00:54:39,810 --> 00:54:40,980
I see the finish line.

1070
00:55:02,936 --> 00:55:04,604
Yes, yes, yes!



