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[intriguing music playing]

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[Errol] So, the original assignment is…

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[man] "It's the 30th anniversary
of the… Manson murders, Tom."

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"We'd love you to write a story about it."

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It was a very vague assignment.

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It's one of
the scariest true stories out there

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about an eight-and-a-half-month pregnant,
beautiful woman getting stabbed to death

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while she pleads for the life of her baby.

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Her last breath,
she's calling out for her mother.

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And that's separate from what happened
to the other victims that night

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and the next night.

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Pretty brutal murders.

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Massacre.

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[music intensifies]

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One of the biggest mysteries
about this case

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is how Manson was able to gain control
of his followers

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to the degree that he could get them
to go out and kill on command,

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without remorse,
without hesitation, complete strangers.

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[Errol] Don't you think you could do that?

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[chuckles] I couldn't. Could you?

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Shoot Bobby, Raymond.
Through the forehead.

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Yes, ma'am.

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[music continues]

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-[gunshot]
-[music ends]

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[Errol] So, a mystery.

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A mystery, yeah.

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[dog panting]

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[radio static]

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[Manson] ♪ I am a mechanical man ♪

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♪ A mechanical man
And I do the best I can ♪

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♪ Because I have my family ♪ˆ

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♪ I hope you… ♪

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♪ I am a mechanical boy ♪

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♪ I am my mother's toy ♪

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♪ And I play in the backyard sometimes ♪

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♪ I am a mechanical boy ♪

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[music ends]

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[record scratches]

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[interviewer] What's the magnetism of you?

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[banging on wood]

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Music. Motion.

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Um…

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Generating, uh…

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-[banging on wood]
-…attention.

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Reality.

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I know.

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[chuckles]

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When you know…

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[chuckles] …you just simply know.

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[suspenseful music playing]

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[Errol] As one of the prosecutors
of Charles Manson,

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why do you think
that this case never dies?

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Why are people
still totally obsessed with it?

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[radio static]

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People in the United States
like to be scared sometimes.

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They like horror movies.

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When Life magazine put
Charles Manson on the cover,

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he was a real-life Svengali.

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The fact that he could get
other people to do his bidding,

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to kill innocent people,
to start a race war,

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I mean, what more base motive
could you have?

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[unsettling music playing]

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[man 1] Are you rolling?

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-[man 2] Rolling.
-[woman] Go ahead.

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At 8:30 this morning,
an employee came to work at 10050 Cielo…

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and found several bodies in the house,
and immediately the police were notified.

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[helicopter blades whirring]

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The tentative identification
of the persons are as follows.

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Sharon Polanski…

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Jay Sebring…

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Abigail Folger…

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Wojciech Frykowski…

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and another man who is unknown.

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[electronic warble]

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[reporter 1] Is there anything scrawled
on the front door of that house in blood?

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[man 1] I can't answer that question.

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[electronic warble]

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[reporter 2] Where were
the bodies found? All in one room?

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[man 1] No. Two of the bodies were found
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one in the vehicle,

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and two on the front lawn.

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[reporter 3] Wasn't there a body covered
by a hood with a rope around its neck?

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[man 1] These are things that I can't give
you too much information on at this time.

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[reporter 4] Is this case more complicated
than other cases you can't comment on?

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Well, how many cases
and how many times do you have

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five persons found murdered
at the same time?

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[ominous music continues]

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[birds chirping]

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[newsreader] Los Angeles police
are saying little at this time

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about possible progress in solving
the murders of actress Sharon Tate

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and four others.

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The bodies were removed from
the home of Ms. Tate and her husband,

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screen director Roman Polanski,

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under several blankets
and a veil of mystery.

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[ominous music continues]

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Ms. Tate, who starred
in Valley of the Dolls,

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was eight months pregnant
and was found in a bikini-type nightgown

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with a rope around her neck
attached to the body of a man.

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When police arrived, they found
the telephones and electricity lines cut.

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The bodies had been dead about 12 hours.

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One officer summed up the murders
when he said,

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"In all my years, I have never seen
anything like this before."

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[music builds, fades]

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While the police admitted they had
no suspects in the Bel Air massacre,

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there were two more murders 15 miles away
in the Silver Lake section of Los Angeles.

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[birds chirping]

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Market owner Leno LaBianca
and his wife, Rosemary,

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were found by their children
stabbed and mutilated.

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[tense music playing]

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There were parallels between this
and the Bel Air murders.

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The word "war" was carved
into LaBianca's chest,

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and "death to pigs" was smeared
on a refrigerator door

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in the blood of one of the victims.

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The word "pig" had been scrawled in blood
on the door of the Bel Air mansion

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where actress Sharon Tate
and four others were slain.

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But police said, despite the similarities,
they do not believe the crimes are linked.

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[music fades]

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[unsettling music playing]

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You can bust your ass forever
as I've been doing

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and really chase this stuff.

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It's like right there, like the carrot
at the end of the stick in front of me

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and I'm getting close,
but you could do it forever.

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[radio static]

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[clock ticking]

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Frankly, I still don't know what happened.

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But I know that what we were told
isn't what happened.

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[suspenseful music continues]

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I'm not copping out here.

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This is the hardest thing to do
without giving the background.

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Because then I sound crazy if I say,

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"Well, there were
these research scientists

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who were working secretly
for the government

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who were trying to do
exactly what Manson did with the girls,

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create people who would kill
without regret or remorse on command

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and not really recalling
how or why they did it.

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And these research scientists came
into contact with him

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during this pivotal time
that he was turning into Charles Manson,

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guru, cult leader of these obedient slaves
who would do whatever he said.

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[Manson] Give your evil soul… [laughs]

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…to yourself. [laughs]

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And open your eyes and be
rather than seem to be.

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[intriguing music playing]

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[Tom] So, I did a FOIA
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to get his federal parole file.

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Manson gets out of Terminal Island
two years before the Tate murders.

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[pen scratching]

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He begged not to be released.

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He said, "This is my home.
I want to stay here."

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They wouldn't let him. He's released
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But he immediately violates his parole

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and goes to the Northern District,
San Francisco, and shows up there.

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[boat horn honking]

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He doesn't have permission.

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Officers up there are stupefied.
"Who does he think he is?"

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He's been in prison
for seven or eight years.

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[Tom] Most of 1967,
he was in San Francisco

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at the height of the explosion
of the Summer of Love.

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[reporter] In the Haight-Ashbury District,
the heartland of hippie country,

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they predict an influx
of 100,000 young people this summer,

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all eager to try the hippie way of life.

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[music fades]

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[Tom] And all of a sudden, his group grew,

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and they became known
as Charlie and his girls.

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By the end of the year,
he had six or seven women

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who would follow him
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not say a word unless he spoke to them.

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They were completely subservient.

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He'd order them around,
and he was screwing them all.

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They were his wives.

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I play music.

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I get out of jail,
and these kids come around me.

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Yeah.

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They say, "You have the voice of God."

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And I say… [chuckles]

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…"There's a whole penitentiary
of guys like me."

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You know, I'm nothing.
I'm just a messenger.

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I'm a witness, that's all.

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I'm just a poop butt
that dropped out of the penitentiary.

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And they seen something in me
I didn't see in me.

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-What'd they see?
-They seen a nice guy.

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And I'm not a nice guy,
but they seen that.

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So I said, "Well,
as long as they seen a nice guy,

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I'll reflect a nice guy.
I'll be the nice guy to them."

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[intriguing music playing]

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And I looked out for everybody,
and I gave them places to stay,

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and I kept all the other
not-so-nice guys off of them.

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Because I liked the kids,
because I can identify with the kids,

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because they didn't have nobody
like I didn't have nobody.

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[distorted chatter]

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[intriguing music continues]

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[Tom] The Haight Ashbury
Free Medical Clinic was opening

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in June of '67.

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Manson became a character at the clinic.

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He was bringing the girls there
for medical treatment

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because they had all kinds
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and they were getting pregnant.

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[indistinct background chatter]

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Everybody at that clinic was fascinated
by the Manson group.

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They all had stories to tell.

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He was a huge presence.

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He'd been out of jail
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-Had a school bus, a big black school bus.
-[alarm blares]

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He had, oh,
at least a dozen girls around him.

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He had a number of guys.

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Just had a way with people.
He was a very charismatic individual.

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I guess some people
would call it magnetic,

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and some people said
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[intriguing music playing]

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In one of my first interviews with doctors
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he said, "Do you know Jolly West?"

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He was a famous expert
on hypnosis and brainwashing.

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He was a scientist who was using
the Haight Ashbury Free Medical Clinic

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to recruit subjects
for his study of LSD in youth.

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Jolly called it a laboratory disguised
as "a hippie crash pad."

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He got six or seven graduate students
to grow their hair long, dress as hippies,

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spend the summer trying to lure youth
in there to be studied.

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That was his project, and then he wrote
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and lectured about it.

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When I realized how many runaway kids
were coming to the Haight-Ashbury

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and how rapidly the attitudes
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were spreading
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I finally decided
that really the only way to tell

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what was going on in the Haight-Ashbury
would be to live there oneself.

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I have a pad in the Haight-Ashbury now.

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It has been occupied all summer long
by a team of people.

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Now, I can't, today, go into
all the findings of our group.

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All I can tell you is
that we have learned so much.

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West came into the picture more
than a year after I'd begun the research

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when I started suspecting
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MKUltra involvement in this case.

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When I found out that he'd been at
the Haight Ashbury Free Medical Clinic

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working with these people
who had contact with Manson

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during the time Manson became
exactly what the CIA was trying to create,

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programmed assassins.

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[intriguing music playing]

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[newsreader 1]
Super-secret project MKUltra

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was carried out
by the CIA from 1953 to 1964.

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It proved to be one of
the most bizarre episodes in CIA history.

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[newsreader 2] A 20-year,
$15 million project on mind control

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that involved experiments
at some of America's

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most distinguished universities
and research centers,

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some of which had no idea
they were working for the CIA.

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[newsreader 3] Investigators found
the CIA had been testing the drug LSD

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on unsuspecting humans.

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One man given the drug committed suicide.

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The committee was never able to determine
the full scope of the program

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since the program's records were destroyed
in 1973 to avoid embarrassment.

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[intriguing music builds]

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[Tom] These are all the documents showing
that Jolly worked for the CIA

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for about 15 years and lied about it.

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Describing not only how they're gonna
conduct these experiments

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but how they're gonna hide them.

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And they described
pretty horrific experiments.

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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Until his death, Jolly repeatedly said
he hadn't done any of that stuff.

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And he got very upset
when people accused him of it.

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[unsettling music playing]

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[Errol] How exactly do you imagine
that this mind control worked

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in that clinic in Haight-Ashbury?

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[ominous music playing]

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[man talking indistinctly in slow motion]

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[woman screaming]

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[Tom] I don't want to say that I know
that it happened in that clinic.

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I can only say that
that was not only where Manson went

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to get his medical treatment,

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but when Roger Smith, his parole officer,
opened an office there,

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he directed Manson to come to the clinic
for his parole meetings once a week.

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And for one year,
while he was Manson's parole officer,

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Manson was arrested a half dozen times,
and every time he was arrested,

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instead of revoking his parole,

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Smith would write him a letter saying

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he was behaving well,
he was doing great, he's fine.

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-[pen scratching]
-[intriguing music playing]

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[Errol] And Roger Smith is
someone you interviewed?

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[Tom] Yeah,
I interviewed just about everybody.

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[radio static]

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[Roger] I met Charlie in Berkeley.

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Basically, when he was in the Bay Area,
he was in my office every… every week.

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-[Tom] Mm-hmm.
-[Roger] I saw him a lot.

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Because he came in with his girls.

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[intriguing music continues]

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He was very odd. He was a hippie.

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-He was very manipulative.
-[Tom] Mm-hmm.

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But was he highly dangerous?

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Didn't see it.

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I remember really wanting him
to find something.

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-He was a songwriter.
-[Tom] Mm-hmm.

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[Roger] It seems to me
like the only thing he could have done

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was to play music.

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[whistle blowing faintly]

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At some point, I had requested

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that supervision
officially be transferred.

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[Tom] To LA?

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[Roger] I don't know that a parole officer
even picked him up in LA.

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-[music fades]
-[car engine revving]

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[unsettling music playing]

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[radio static]

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[telephone ringing]

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[telephone ringing]

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[telephone ringing]

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[female voice] Global Tel Link,
you have a prepaid call from…

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[Bobby over phone] Bobby.

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…an inmate at the California Medical
Facility, Vacaville, California.

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This call and your telephone number
will be monitored and recorded.

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[Bobby] You wanted to know
how I met Charlie.

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[Errol] I did, yes.

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[Bobby] There's not really much to tell.
I played music with Charlie.

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Tried to help him get
a recording contract…

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[suspenseful music continues]

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…by helping him to record
some good quality demos.

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Uh, I was in that music community
in Los Angeles.

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I was friends with Dennis Wilson
of the Beach Boys.

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Charlie had some talent.

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[car honking]

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People thought that he should be able to

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get his songs out there in the world.

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-[Manson] Let's see.
-[man] Do what you feel like.

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[Manson] Yeah.

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[man] Just groove.

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Tell us when you wanna start.
We'll turn the machine on.

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[Manson] Okay.
Can't you just turn it on and let it go?

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[Bobby] Gregg Jakobson,
Dennis Wilson, and I…

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were interested in
getting Charlie to settle down,

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come into a studio,
just him and his guitar,

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play and sing his songs.

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And let's see if we can get
a decent recording to use as a demo.

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[Manson] ♪ There's a time for living ♪

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♪ The time keeps on flying ♪

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♪ Think you're loving, baby
And all you do is crying ♪

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♪ Can you feel?
Are those feelings real? ♪

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♪ Look at your game, girl ♪

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-♪ Look at your game, girl ♪
-[inaudible]

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♪ What a mad delusion
Living in that confusion ♪

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-♪ Frustration and doubt ♪
-[inaudible]

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♪ Can you ever live without the game? ♪

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♪ The sad, sad game ♪

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[Gregg] Dennis, the drummer
in the Beach Boys,

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had rented a hunting lodge.

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If you could make a mansion
out of a log cabin, this was it.

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[radio static]

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Dennis is driving,
there's a couple girls hitchhiking,

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and of course Dennis slams on his brakes,
and they jump in.

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Dennis drives the girls into
the big driveway at the old log cabin.

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They're both two of Charlie's girls.

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[women] ♪ Always is always forever… ♪

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[Gregg] An arrangement
made in heaven, right?

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[women] ♪ Inside yourself
For your father… ♪

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Two days later,
Dennis came home, got out of his car

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and was walking down the walkway,
and the door flew open.

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This little guy came running out,
and he introduced himself, "I'm Charlie."

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"These are my girls."

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[man nervously laughing]

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[man] You should get a job
making people nervous. [laughs]

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-[camera shutter clicks]
-[Gregg] Dennis loved his girls.

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[chuckling] He thought this was
the greatest thing in the world.

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Unlimited girls.

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-[camera shutter clicks]
-Dennis was in heaven.

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[intriguing music playing]

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[intriguing music subsides]

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[Errol] Can you tell me what the scene
was like at this house?

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Oh man. Really? You want to…
You really want to know that?

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I won't say the person's name
because she's a real person.

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She's on the diving board,
going up and down, and she said,

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"Fuck me, feed me, and keep me high."

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And she dove in the pool.
That was what was going on there.

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[Stephen] The women were told
that any male

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that wants to have sex with you,
you have sex with them.

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I can't imagine the diseases
that those women have.

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I know that the Beach Boys were very upset

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about all the money

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that Dennis Wilson was spending
on venereal disease treatment.

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[Manson] ♪ Pretty, pretty girl… ♪

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[Stephen] The Beach Boys actually recorded
one of Manson's songs.

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[Manson] ♪ Cease to exist
Just come and say you love me ♪

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[Stephen] Even though
it was Manson's song,

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it's credited to Dennis Wilson.

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[Dennis] ♪ Cease to resist
Come on, say you love me ♪

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♪ Give up your world
Come on and be with me ♪

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♪ I'm your kind
I'm your kind, and I see ♪

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[pen scratching]

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[Gregg] Dennis paid him outright,
probably 300 bucks or something.

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Dennis should know better
because that isn't the way things work.

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Things get published,
then you have lifetime rights.

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That's one of the things,
probably, that made Dennis

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finally close down the hunting lodge.

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Charlie took it really personally.

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When Brother Recording Company
from The Beach Boys

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was taking music that was coming out
of the penitentiary and singing…

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♪ In my room ♪

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♪ I'm putting on good vibrations ♪

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…then you come up on the set
and say, "Where's my money?"

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They say,
"Oh, you don't have any money coming."

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I said, "What do you mean,
I don't have any money coming?"

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"You'll pay me.
Give me what I got coming."

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"Don't give me no more of what
I got coming, but pay me what I got due."

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They won't give me my dues.

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I say, "Okay, you don't give me my due,
I'll call New York."

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"I'll call New York."

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Because I'm ice picking New York.

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[ominous music playing]

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[Gregg] They still had their main camp
at the Spahn Ranch.

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[pen scratching]

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[pen scratching]

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[somber music playing]

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You know, I wanted to film
out at the Spahn Ranch.

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The girls and the horses.

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God, if you scripted it,
nobody would believe it.

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It'd be science fiction.

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These girls were sleeping on the floor
in the old movie sets.

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It wasn't a real building.

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It might not have had
a roof on it and stuff.

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[somber music continues]

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That's why I went to Melcher.

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Terry Melcher was capable
of putting that together.

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I said, "Terry, we gotta film this guy."

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[unsettling music playing]

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[Terry] I had a friend
who I employed as a talent scout

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who called me, and he said,

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"There's a potential here
for a very interesting musical documentary

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on the hippie subculture in America."

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And he said, "It's this Manson Family."

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00:26:35,051 --> 00:26:37,887
"They live out
in an old Western dude ranch."

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00:26:38,471 --> 00:26:40,473
"And they live there,
and it's a real commune,

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and everyone shares everything."

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00:26:44,477 --> 00:26:46,855
"And it would be
a great musical documentary."

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And I was in the TV business
at the time with CBS

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and in the record business
with Columbia Records.

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[Errol] Terry Melcher is who?

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[Tom] He's Doris Day's son.

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He was a very successful,
very young record producer.

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He was a big deal.

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Terry lived in the house that Roman
and Sharon lived in before they did.

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[eerie music playing]

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[Errol] Presumably, Charlie
wanted Melcher to sign him.

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[Gregg] That would be
a gift from heaven to Charlie.

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Manson was sharp enough to know

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that Terry Melcher
was way a cut above Dennis

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when it came to making
a deal with the label.

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[eerie music playing]

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Dennis was a rock and roll star,

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but that's not the same
as being a successful producer.

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He'd finally gotten Terry Melcher
to come out to the Spahn Ranch.

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And now you have to convince him
that he should sign you.

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00:27:58,718 --> 00:28:00,720
That's a tough one.

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00:28:01,805 --> 00:28:04,057
[eerie music continues]

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[Terry] I arrived, and they played,

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I don't know, a dozen songs.
It was a big campfire.

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Manson played the guitar,

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and all the girls sang parts
and harmonies.

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Who knew that half of them were wanted
by some law enforcement agency?

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The last thing that would've ever occurred
to me as I was sitting out there

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with one other guy
in the middle of these 30 or 40 people

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00:28:35,296 --> 00:28:40,135
who were about to commit
some of the most heinous crimes

477
00:28:40,218 --> 00:28:42,345
in our part of the world.

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They looked like everyone
on Sunset Boulevard.

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[music fades]

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[Gregg] Terry did
the classic music producer speech.

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"You really got talent. You're good.
I… I like you a lot, Charlie."

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"But I'm a producer, and I have to know
what to do in the studio."

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"That's my job."

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00:29:04,659 --> 00:29:06,786
And he said,
"I don't know what to do with you."

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00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:08,955
In Charlie's mind,
I think that was his biggest shot.

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00:29:09,038 --> 00:29:11,750
Finally, he… he was really close.
He was close.

487
00:29:12,333 --> 00:29:14,335
And that's as close as he got, you know.

488
00:29:15,587 --> 00:29:16,421
[inhales]

489
00:29:17,005 --> 00:29:18,506
[Errol] He was really close?

490
00:29:19,090 --> 00:29:20,008
He was close.

491
00:29:20,633 --> 00:29:22,635
[intriguing music playing]

492
00:29:24,846 --> 00:29:27,056
That was probably
the beginning of the end.

493
00:29:27,557 --> 00:29:30,059
It was getting
more and more heavier out there,

494
00:29:30,143 --> 00:29:31,936
all the drug dealing going on.

495
00:29:33,938 --> 00:29:37,025
I think there was a lot of money
starting to change hands too.

496
00:29:37,108 --> 00:29:38,526
Drugs are expensive.

497
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:41,029
[indistinct background chatter]

498
00:29:41,112 --> 00:29:45,742
Drugs was a big part of the…
the monetary balance out there,

499
00:29:45,825 --> 00:29:48,828
keeping things going
and keeping everybody happy.

500
00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:51,247
That's big business, big business.

501
00:29:51,331 --> 00:29:55,168
Drugs is big business, and they're
very involved in that… that aspect of it.

502
00:29:55,251 --> 00:29:57,462
Everybody knows that.
I mean, it's on television.

503
00:29:58,254 --> 00:30:00,632
[unsettling music playing]

504
00:30:01,341 --> 00:30:03,384
[woman] This call
and your telephone number

505
00:30:03,468 --> 00:30:04,761
will be monitored and recorded.

506
00:30:06,012 --> 00:30:09,891
[Bobby] I showed up at Spahn Ranch
just for a visit.

507
00:30:11,017 --> 00:30:15,772
Charlie pulled me aside, and he told me
that he had killed a Black Panther.

508
00:30:16,523 --> 00:30:20,985
His name is Bernard Crowe. He was
a low-rent drug dealer in Los Angeles.

509
00:30:23,071 --> 00:30:25,114
He was not a Black Panther.

510
00:30:25,615 --> 00:30:27,325
He looked the part

511
00:30:27,408 --> 00:30:30,453
because it was fashionable
in those days to be that.

512
00:30:31,287 --> 00:30:35,625
Charlie assumed, wrongly,
that he had killed the guy.

513
00:30:36,376 --> 00:30:39,045
He thought that he had killed
a Black Panther.

514
00:30:40,421 --> 00:30:45,552
He said that he was expecting
a retaliation from the Black Panthers.

515
00:30:46,886 --> 00:30:49,264
He asked me if I would stay and help

516
00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:52,725
because there were not enough men
at the ranch.

517
00:30:53,309 --> 00:30:55,687
That was part of my downfall.

518
00:30:57,438 --> 00:31:00,400
[reporter] I've been told
that Charlie Manson shot you.

519
00:31:00,483 --> 00:31:01,317
Is that true?

520
00:31:04,529 --> 00:31:05,405
[Bernard] Mmm.

521
00:31:06,698 --> 00:31:07,657
Could be.

522
00:31:08,283 --> 00:31:10,285
[reporter] Well, let's not kid
each other around now.

523
00:31:10,368 --> 00:31:12,078
It's either true or it isn't true.

524
00:31:12,161 --> 00:31:14,581
Did he shoot you,
and if so, when and where?

525
00:31:15,832 --> 00:31:17,584
Uh, yes, he shot me, yes.

526
00:31:17,667 --> 00:31:19,669
[intriguing music continues]

527
00:31:19,752 --> 00:31:25,216
[Bobby] Everybody was on the lookout
for a carload of Black Panthers.

528
00:31:25,717 --> 00:31:29,971
Every car that came up was being examined.

529
00:31:31,681 --> 00:31:34,350
Meanwhile, there just wasn't
much going on,

530
00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:37,145
and there were bikers hanging out there.

531
00:31:38,813 --> 00:31:44,110
I was building a motorcycle at that time,
so I sort of idolized these bikers.

532
00:31:44,736 --> 00:31:46,738
[motorcycle engines revving]

533
00:31:46,821 --> 00:31:49,449
And I got involved
in a drug deal with them.

534
00:31:51,993 --> 00:31:55,496
I had a friend in Topanga Canyon,
Gary Hinman,

535
00:31:57,248 --> 00:32:02,211
who had a batch of encapsulated mescaline
that he was selling.

536
00:32:03,421 --> 00:32:04,505
[music builds]

537
00:32:08,217 --> 00:32:13,431
The next day, the bikers came back
and wanted their money back.

538
00:32:14,349 --> 00:32:17,977
The reason was
that they said they all got sick on it,

539
00:32:19,395 --> 00:32:22,273
and they probably didn't like
the hallucinations.

540
00:32:23,274 --> 00:32:26,819
They threatened me
and held a knife to my throat.

541
00:32:26,903 --> 00:32:28,488
[music fades]

542
00:32:29,572 --> 00:32:30,573
[birds chirping]

543
00:32:32,575 --> 00:32:35,161
[tense music playing]

544
00:32:35,244 --> 00:32:37,372
The only option

545
00:32:37,455 --> 00:32:40,124
was to see if Gary would give me
the money back.

546
00:32:42,335 --> 00:32:43,836
I pulled the gun on him.

547
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,963
[gun cocks]

548
00:32:45,046 --> 00:32:47,632
And he said, "I don't have it anymore."

549
00:32:47,715 --> 00:32:52,220
I said, "Look, Gary, I just need something
to get the bikers off my back."

550
00:32:53,554 --> 00:32:55,723
He said, "You can have my cars."

551
00:32:56,224 --> 00:32:57,433
[electronic warble]

552
00:33:02,981 --> 00:33:06,526
Suddenly, Manson shows up at the door.

553
00:33:08,194 --> 00:33:10,655
-[camera shutter clicks]
-Gary says, "Hi, Charlie!"

554
00:33:12,824 --> 00:33:16,244
Charlie steps in
and slashes him across the face.

555
00:33:17,620 --> 00:33:19,163
[Errol] Why did he do that?

556
00:33:19,247 --> 00:33:23,459
[Bobby] My exact words.
"Charlie, why did you do that?"

557
00:33:24,043 --> 00:33:27,714
I cut the dude's ear off
because he was fucking over Bobby.

558
00:33:27,797 --> 00:33:31,092
And Bobby was a youngster
and didn't know what he was doing.

559
00:33:31,676 --> 00:33:32,552
And he was a kid,

560
00:33:32,635 --> 00:33:35,096
and he never had
no man show him nothing, see?

561
00:33:35,179 --> 00:33:37,181
[tense music continues]

562
00:33:38,224 --> 00:33:42,478
[Bobby] Realizing his mistake,
Manson left me with the problem.

563
00:33:48,401 --> 00:33:50,319
So I sat with Gary for a day,

564
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,658
trying to smooth everything over.

565
00:33:57,326 --> 00:34:00,371
I used dental floss
and a needle to sew up his ear.

566
00:34:02,707 --> 00:34:06,711
But it should have been stitched.
There's no question.

567
00:34:09,088 --> 00:34:11,758
But if I took him to an emergency room,

568
00:34:12,258 --> 00:34:15,011
I knew that he was gonna tell
what happened.

569
00:34:15,762 --> 00:34:18,514
It was gonna bring
the whole world down on top of me.

570
00:34:23,895 --> 00:34:25,229
I called Charlie.

571
00:34:25,313 --> 00:34:27,231
[telephone ringing]

572
00:34:29,317 --> 00:34:31,402
I said, "This is your problem."

573
00:34:31,486 --> 00:34:35,114
"You need to come
and take care of what you created."

574
00:34:37,658 --> 00:34:42,580
His response was
I knew what to do as well as he did.

575
00:34:42,663 --> 00:34:43,790
And hung up the phone.

576
00:34:43,873 --> 00:34:44,916
[telephone hangs up]

577
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:49,962
And I made this decision.

578
00:34:50,797 --> 00:34:52,924
I had to kill him and get out of there.

579
00:34:53,883 --> 00:34:56,260
I just ran at him, stabbed him twice.

580
00:34:56,344 --> 00:34:57,512
[knife stabbing]

581
00:34:57,595 --> 00:34:59,055
He went down, and he died.

582
00:35:00,473 --> 00:35:02,600
[eerie music playing]

583
00:35:02,683 --> 00:35:04,894
[Errol] Why did you think
you had to kill him?

584
00:35:04,977 --> 00:35:06,813
That's what puzzles me.

585
00:35:08,606 --> 00:35:11,067
[Bobby] Because he would tell on me.

586
00:35:13,402 --> 00:35:15,404
[eerie music continues]

587
00:35:20,618 --> 00:35:25,289
I don't remember who put the paw print
"political piggy" on the wall.

588
00:35:26,749 --> 00:35:30,753
I remember that everybody had it
in their minds about the Black Panthers.

589
00:35:31,587 --> 00:35:35,633
We'd been kind of absorbed in that
for a couple of weeks

590
00:35:37,468 --> 00:35:39,762
since the Bernard Crowe shooting,

591
00:35:40,346 --> 00:35:44,767
and what Charlie had said,
that the Black Panthers were the enemies.

592
00:35:46,018 --> 00:35:47,979
There was an idea

593
00:35:48,062 --> 00:35:53,151
to make it seem that the Black Panthers
were responsible for killing Gary.

594
00:35:54,610 --> 00:35:55,778
[men chanting]

595
00:35:55,862 --> 00:35:59,073
Hence, the panther paw on the wall.

596
00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:00,825
[eerie music builds]

597
00:36:04,287 --> 00:36:07,790
[Stephen] Hinman's body was discovered
about a week later.

598
00:36:08,332 --> 00:36:14,255
It was really pretty terrible.
Bloated, insect-infested.

599
00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:17,633
[Errol] I read somewhere that
they could hear the maggots eating him.

600
00:36:23,097 --> 00:36:25,975
[Stephen] I told my wife, "When I go,

601
00:36:26,058 --> 00:36:30,771
please just cremate me
and scatter my ashes in the forest."

602
00:36:38,362 --> 00:36:43,117
[Tom] Bobby left in one of Gary's cars
and went up north.

603
00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:45,745
He pulled over on the side of the road.

604
00:36:45,828 --> 00:36:49,916
There was a warrant out for his car,
so the state police spotted it

605
00:36:49,999 --> 00:36:52,919
and woke him up and arrested him.

606
00:36:53,461 --> 00:36:55,463
[somber music playing]

607
00:36:58,049 --> 00:37:00,468
He had the murder weapon in his trunk.

608
00:37:03,304 --> 00:37:05,348
He was brought back to Los Angeles.

609
00:37:06,349 --> 00:37:09,101
The next day, the Tate murders occurred.

610
00:37:10,269 --> 00:37:12,271
[unsettling music playing]

611
00:37:19,779 --> 00:37:22,073
[Errol] One thing
that always has puzzled me

612
00:37:22,156 --> 00:37:23,783
is this chronology.

613
00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:28,162
You get arrested, you're booked,

614
00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:33,000
and then the next day is the Tate murders.

615
00:37:35,127 --> 00:37:36,754
[Bobby] Was it the next day?

616
00:37:38,172 --> 00:37:42,468
I don't really think that had a lot to do
with what happened.

617
00:37:45,388 --> 00:37:46,681
To understand what happened,

618
00:37:46,764 --> 00:37:49,433
you have to go back
to the Bernard Crowe shooting.

619
00:37:49,517 --> 00:37:51,769
Remember, Charlie thought
he had killed him.

620
00:37:52,603 --> 00:37:56,232
He was afraid
somebody was going to snitch on him.

621
00:37:56,983 --> 00:38:01,070
The person that he was
afraid of the most was Tex Watson.

622
00:38:03,656 --> 00:38:08,411
He was part of Charlie's Family
living at Spahn Ranch.

623
00:38:08,494 --> 00:38:10,329
[indistinct background chatter]

624
00:38:10,413 --> 00:38:14,166
Tex Watson was a disciple of Charlie.

625
00:38:16,377 --> 00:38:18,546
He was worshipful.

626
00:38:23,634 --> 00:38:29,223
Watson had orchestrated the drug deal
with Bernard Crowe that backfired

627
00:38:29,724 --> 00:38:33,769
and put Charlie in the position
of having to kill Crowe.

628
00:38:35,604 --> 00:38:37,648
He really didn't know the guy.

629
00:38:37,732 --> 00:38:40,735
He just decided
he was going to save the day,

630
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:46,198
get in the middle of something
that Tex Watson had created.

631
00:38:47,533 --> 00:38:50,703
So Tex has a little problem.
He has a little problem, gives me a gun.

632
00:38:50,786 --> 00:38:52,997
He can't deal with it.
I have to go deal with his problem.

633
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:53,998
[interviewer] Which is?

634
00:38:54,081 --> 00:38:57,752
I have to go shoot somebody for him
because he's too much of a coward,

635
00:38:57,835 --> 00:38:59,587
and he's laying up
underneath the bed with it.

636
00:39:00,338 --> 00:39:02,590
-[interviewer] Who'd you shoot?
-[Manson] Lotsapoppa.

637
00:39:02,673 --> 00:39:05,051
-[interviewer] Who?
-[Manson] Some guy down in the drug world.

638
00:39:05,134 --> 00:39:09,096
I had to go down and take care
of some business that was not my business.

639
00:39:09,764 --> 00:39:14,894
[Bobby] Charlie's way
of protecting himself from Watson

640
00:39:14,977 --> 00:39:21,275
was the typical convict way of insurance.

641
00:39:22,193 --> 00:39:24,445
If someone is a potential snitch,

642
00:39:25,029 --> 00:39:31,035
then you make that person complicit
in illegal activity.

643
00:39:32,078 --> 00:39:37,541
You have something on them
just as they have something on you.

644
00:39:38,793 --> 00:39:40,544
So Tex owed me one.

645
00:39:41,170 --> 00:39:44,256
So when I come back and I say,
"See? You got me in trouble."

646
00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:48,219
Every time I stand up for you, brother,
I got to face your life and your death.

647
00:39:48,302 --> 00:39:51,097
You dig?
I'm tired of carrying you on my back.

648
00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:53,891
And I threw the gun.
I said, "Now, you owe me one."

649
00:39:53,974 --> 00:39:59,063
And if you don't pay me when you owe me,
then I'm going to pay you what you owe me.

650
00:39:59,146 --> 00:40:01,148
[tense music playing]

651
00:40:01,982 --> 00:40:05,361
[Errol] Manson had known
you had killed Hinman and was in jail.

652
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,447
[Bobby] I don't know
if he knew that I was in jail.

653
00:40:08,948 --> 00:40:10,908
There's no evidence of that.

654
00:40:14,578 --> 00:40:17,331
[Manson] So then when my brother
gets busted and my brother's in jail,

655
00:40:17,415 --> 00:40:20,126
then I tell Tex,
"Pay him what you owe me."

656
00:40:22,294 --> 00:40:24,672
I said, "Don't tell me nothing.
I don't want to hear nothing."

657
00:40:24,755 --> 00:40:28,801
"I'm not part of no conspiracy.
I'm not breaking no laws."

658
00:40:28,884 --> 00:40:31,846
You dig what I'm saying?
"I'm not getting involved in nothing."

659
00:40:31,929 --> 00:40:35,057
-"However you do it, you do it."
-[interviewer] That's not what they say.

660
00:40:35,141 --> 00:40:37,268
-Who's "they"?
-[interviewer] Susie Atkins.

661
00:40:37,351 --> 00:40:39,603
No, Susan Atkins never said
I'd said do anything

662
00:40:39,687 --> 00:40:41,105
except do what Tex said.

663
00:40:41,188 --> 00:40:42,314
And I did say that.

664
00:40:42,398 --> 00:40:44,984
I said, "Susie, you owe me?"
She said, "Yeah."

665
00:40:45,067 --> 00:40:47,278
"Remember that other dude
I cut his ears off for you?"

666
00:40:47,361 --> 00:40:50,322
She said, "Yeah." I said, "Pay that
to Tex. Don't bother me with it."

667
00:40:50,823 --> 00:40:52,825
[unsettling music playing]

668
00:40:54,577 --> 00:40:57,455
[interviewer] What happened that night
you all went to Sharon Tate's house?

669
00:40:58,122 --> 00:40:59,331
What really happened?

670
00:40:59,957 --> 00:41:03,502
Tex and I had
our own special little stash of cocaine.

671
00:41:03,586 --> 00:41:06,297
I mean, I think it was cocaine
or methedrine. I'm not sure which.

672
00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:08,591
We both snorted some speed
and got in the car.

673
00:41:08,674 --> 00:41:10,134
We were very, very wired.

674
00:41:12,011 --> 00:41:14,013
[exhales] Hmm.

675
00:41:14,972 --> 00:41:17,850
[somber music playing]

676
00:41:17,933 --> 00:41:22,146
And we drove to the house
with instructions

677
00:41:23,355 --> 00:41:25,107
to kill everyone in the house.

678
00:41:25,983 --> 00:41:27,610
-[interviewer] From Charlie?
-[Susan] Yeah.

679
00:41:33,032 --> 00:41:35,034
[unsettling music playing]

680
00:41:39,997 --> 00:41:41,665
[Stephen] Watson was driving.

681
00:41:41,749 --> 00:41:43,751
Kasabian was in the car.

682
00:41:43,834 --> 00:41:47,171
Atkins and Krenwinkel
were in the back seat.

683
00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:52,092
-They had three knives and a gun.
-[gunshot]

684
00:41:56,180 --> 00:42:00,893
When they got there, they saw
some headlights coming towards them.

685
00:42:02,102 --> 00:42:05,022
Parent had met the caretaker
for the property.

686
00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:11,529
And Parent had come to visit him
to supposedly sell him a clock radio.

687
00:42:12,112 --> 00:42:15,783
On the way out, Watson came up,
pointed the gun at him.

688
00:42:15,866 --> 00:42:17,868
Parent begged for his life.

689
00:42:17,952 --> 00:42:20,996
He said, "I'm just leaving.
I won't tell anybody."

690
00:42:22,122 --> 00:42:26,585
Watson fired four times
at point-blank range…

691
00:42:27,294 --> 00:42:31,298
[gunshots]

692
00:42:31,382 --> 00:42:32,633
…killing him.

693
00:42:34,969 --> 00:42:38,055
Talk about being in the wrong place
at the wrong time.

694
00:42:38,138 --> 00:42:40,140
[unsettling music continues]

695
00:42:43,102 --> 00:42:45,563
Watson climbed through the window

696
00:42:46,272 --> 00:42:49,650
and opened the front door
for Atkins and Krenwinkel.

697
00:42:53,237 --> 00:42:57,658
He told Kasabian to stay outside.

698
00:42:58,534 --> 00:43:01,912
Wojciech Frykowski was asleep on the sofa.

699
00:43:04,540 --> 00:43:07,918
Watson woke him up at gunpoint… [inhales]

700
00:43:08,002 --> 00:43:10,713
…and told Frykowski that he, Watson,

701
00:43:10,796 --> 00:43:13,132
was the devil there
to do the devil's work.

702
00:43:13,799 --> 00:43:15,593
[Errol] Who do we know this from?

703
00:43:15,676 --> 00:43:16,552
[Stephen] Watson.

704
00:43:17,803 --> 00:43:20,097
He's admitted that that's what he said.

705
00:43:21,432 --> 00:43:24,727
The people at the time of the crimes
were just wobs.

706
00:43:24,810 --> 00:43:25,936
They weren't individuals.

707
00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:29,398
They meant nothing to me.
I didn't know the people.

708
00:43:30,733 --> 00:43:35,154
I was so high on speed that

709
00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:38,574
I understood what I was doing,

710
00:43:39,158 --> 00:43:42,911
but… it just didn't make any difference.

711
00:43:43,912 --> 00:43:47,499
[Stephen] Atkins and Krenwinkel
went through the house.

712
00:43:52,421 --> 00:43:56,091
I guess there were so many visitors
to the house,

713
00:43:57,676 --> 00:44:00,346
Abigail Folger waved at them.

714
00:44:00,429 --> 00:44:02,431
[unsettling music continues]

715
00:44:04,266 --> 00:44:06,644
Sharon Tate, she was in bed,

716
00:44:06,727 --> 00:44:10,439
and Jay Sebring was sitting
on the foot of her bed.

717
00:44:12,858 --> 00:44:15,569
Krenwinkel and Atkins had knives.

718
00:44:15,653 --> 00:44:18,405
They got Sharon Tate out of bed,

719
00:44:18,489 --> 00:44:21,825
and they got Sebring
and brought him to the front of the house.

720
00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:27,456
Wojciech Frykowski, I believe is his name.

721
00:44:28,165 --> 00:44:30,209
I had tied his hands with a towel

722
00:44:30,918 --> 00:44:33,003
and then was instructed to kill him.

723
00:44:33,504 --> 00:44:36,423
And I raised the knife
that I had in my hand,

724
00:44:36,507 --> 00:44:38,384
and I couldn't put the knife down.

725
00:44:38,467 --> 00:44:40,344
I couldn't…. I couldn't bring it down.

726
00:44:40,427 --> 00:44:43,472
It was just as though there
was a force there that held my wrist.

727
00:44:44,223 --> 00:44:45,182
I couldn't move.

728
00:44:48,268 --> 00:44:51,313
[Stephen] Watson told
Sharon Tate to sit down.

729
00:44:51,897 --> 00:44:55,109
Sebring said,
"She's eight-and-a-half-months pregnant."

730
00:44:56,026 --> 00:44:58,112
-Watson shot him.
-[gunshot]

731
00:44:59,446 --> 00:45:03,492
Then… panic was rampant.

732
00:45:04,993 --> 00:45:06,662
Frykowski tried to run.

733
00:45:06,745 --> 00:45:08,997
He got out to the front.

734
00:45:09,581 --> 00:45:12,000
Watson followed and pounced on him.

735
00:45:12,918 --> 00:45:13,836
[camera shutter clicks]

736
00:45:13,919 --> 00:45:15,671
Abigail Folger

737
00:45:15,754 --> 00:45:18,340
ran out of the back of the house.

738
00:45:19,925 --> 00:45:21,635
Krenwinkel followed her.

739
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,847
I ran after her with an upraised knife,

740
00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:28,100
and we went out through a back door.

741
00:45:29,685 --> 00:45:32,312
I ran her down, and I began to stab her.

742
00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:34,189
[knife stabbing]

743
00:45:34,273 --> 00:45:37,025
I remember her saying, "I'm already dead."

744
00:45:38,944 --> 00:45:43,157
And I was left sitting with Sharon Tate,
and she was talking to me and…

745
00:45:45,659 --> 00:45:49,580
I remember that I… I felt nothing.

746
00:45:49,663 --> 00:45:51,623
I felt absolutely nothing for her

747
00:45:52,458 --> 00:45:54,168
um, as she begged…

748
00:45:56,378 --> 00:45:58,881
for her life and for the life of her baby.

749
00:45:59,631 --> 00:46:00,799
[clicks tongue]

750
00:46:01,592 --> 00:46:02,468
And, uh…

751
00:46:04,595 --> 00:46:05,471
Jesus.

752
00:46:08,182 --> 00:46:10,642
Susan Atkins said to her,

753
00:46:10,726 --> 00:46:14,229
"Look, bitch, I don't care about you
or your baby."

754
00:46:14,313 --> 00:46:17,274
"You're gonna die,
and I don't feel a thing about it."

755
00:46:18,692 --> 00:46:22,654
Atkins proceeded to stab her
a number of times.

756
00:46:22,738 --> 00:46:23,781
[knife stabbing]

757
00:46:23,864 --> 00:46:26,492
Watson came in, also stabbed her.

758
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,703
If you can imagine that,

759
00:46:30,204 --> 00:46:33,540
stabbing an eight-and-a-half-month
pregnant woman.

760
00:46:40,464 --> 00:46:45,219
On the way out,
Susan Atkins wrote the word "pig"

761
00:46:45,302 --> 00:46:48,680
with a towel dipped
in Sharon Tate's blood.

762
00:46:50,557 --> 00:46:52,893
[Patricia] When I got back to the ranch,

763
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:54,770
I got out of the car.

764
00:46:56,438 --> 00:46:59,233
Charlie came up
and asked everybody how it went.

765
00:47:01,652 --> 00:47:03,987
But that was the first time
I looked at him,

766
00:47:04,071 --> 00:47:07,908
and I said, "Charlie, they were so young."

767
00:47:08,784 --> 00:47:10,786
Yet the next night you were there again.

768
00:47:10,869 --> 00:47:14,039
Yeah, Charlie definitely had me go
the second night.

769
00:47:14,665 --> 00:47:16,875
[interviewer] And you knew
what was coming again?

770
00:47:16,959 --> 00:47:17,793
Yes.

771
00:47:18,961 --> 00:47:20,420
You didn't say "no"?

772
00:47:20,921 --> 00:47:22,840
No. And at that point,

773
00:47:22,923 --> 00:47:25,717
I felt so dead inside,
it really didn't matter.

774
00:47:25,801 --> 00:47:27,970
[unsettling music playing]

775
00:47:31,014 --> 00:47:32,432
[cars honking]

776
00:47:32,516 --> 00:47:35,811
[Stephen] On the evening
of the LaBianca murders,

777
00:47:35,894 --> 00:47:39,773
Manson gathered some
of his followers at Spahn Ranch.

778
00:47:40,482 --> 00:47:45,946
He told them that last night
had been too messy.

779
00:47:46,029 --> 00:47:50,117
"I'm going to go along tonight
and show you how to do it."

780
00:47:50,951 --> 00:47:52,619
Kasabian was driving.

781
00:47:52,703 --> 00:47:57,457
Manson was in between Kasabian
and Steve Grogan.

782
00:47:58,333 --> 00:48:04,840
And in the back were Watson, Atkins,
Krenwinkel, and Leslie Van Houten.

783
00:48:06,008 --> 00:48:09,803
He asked me,
"Do you believe enough in what I say

784
00:48:09,887 --> 00:48:12,514
to know that this is something
that has to be done?"

785
00:48:12,598 --> 00:48:15,350
Or something to that effect.
And I said, "Yes, I do."

786
00:48:15,851 --> 00:48:18,020
I didn't walk right up and say,
"May I go?"

787
00:48:19,438 --> 00:48:21,899
But I think
everything on my face said that.

788
00:48:21,982 --> 00:48:23,984
[unsettling music playing]

789
00:48:26,778 --> 00:48:30,032
[Stephen] They drove around
for about four and a half hours

790
00:48:31,158 --> 00:48:33,076
looking for people to kill.

791
00:48:40,334 --> 00:48:43,587
But then,
Manson gave specific instructions,

792
00:48:44,087 --> 00:48:47,841
and they ended up
at Leno and Rosemary LaBianca's house.

793
00:48:47,925 --> 00:48:49,927
[unsettling music continues]

794
00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:05,817
Manson got in,
and he got the drop on them.

795
00:49:06,985 --> 00:49:09,154
He assured them
that it was just a robbery,

796
00:49:09,237 --> 00:49:10,822
that he wasn't gonna hurt them.

797
00:49:11,573 --> 00:49:15,577
He tied their hands behind their backs
with rawhide.

798
00:49:17,245 --> 00:49:19,247
[camera shutter clicks]

799
00:49:19,331 --> 00:49:23,001
Then he said,
"If you don't move, you'll be okay."

800
00:49:23,085 --> 00:49:25,420
"If you move, you're gonna be in trouble."

801
00:49:25,921 --> 00:49:28,298
And so the LaBiancas stayed there.

802
00:49:30,717 --> 00:49:32,469
Manson then went out to the car.

803
00:49:32,552 --> 00:49:36,682
He got Watson, Krenwinkel,
and Van Houten out of the car.

804
00:49:39,267 --> 00:49:44,523
Manson, Kasabian, Grogan, and Atkins left.

805
00:49:44,606 --> 00:49:46,608
[suspenseful music playing]

806
00:49:49,069 --> 00:49:50,320
Watson went in.

807
00:49:52,197 --> 00:49:53,782
He had a knife.

808
00:49:55,575 --> 00:49:59,496
Krenwinkel immediately went to the kitchen
and got a knife for herself

809
00:49:59,579 --> 00:50:01,206
and a knife for Van Houten.

810
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,250
[camera shutter clicks]

811
00:50:05,419 --> 00:50:10,716
Watson asked the LaBiancas
if they had any money.

812
00:50:11,675 --> 00:50:14,845
Rosemary said she had a box
with some change in it.

813
00:50:16,096 --> 00:50:19,057
Turned out that it had
eight dollars in change.

814
00:50:21,476 --> 00:50:28,108
He told Van Houten and Krenwinkel
to go to the back bedroom with Rosemary.

815
00:50:30,736 --> 00:50:32,821
They got into the back bedroom.

816
00:50:32,904 --> 00:50:36,450
Van Houten pushed Rosemary down
on the bed.

817
00:50:37,617 --> 00:50:40,912
At this point, Rosemary could hear Leno

818
00:50:40,996 --> 00:50:43,582
getting stabbed to death
in the living room.

819
00:50:45,083 --> 00:50:48,628
[Leslie] The sounds of Mr. LaBianca dying
came into the bedroom.

820
00:50:49,379 --> 00:50:51,048
Horrible, guttural sounds.

821
00:50:52,174 --> 00:50:55,719
She started calling out to him
and yelling for him.

822
00:50:56,845 --> 00:51:01,099
And, um… at that moment,

823
00:51:02,809 --> 00:51:04,019
for a brief moment…

824
00:51:07,189 --> 00:51:08,774
I… I realized, you know…

825
00:51:11,651 --> 00:51:13,862
these are people that love each other.

826
00:51:15,447 --> 00:51:19,951
Rosemary had this sudden surge of energy
and bolted up.

827
00:51:20,035 --> 00:51:23,205
She swung the lamp
in Van Houten's direction.

828
00:51:23,288 --> 00:51:25,957
Van Houten knocked the lamp
out of her hands

829
00:51:26,041 --> 00:51:28,001
and wrestled her down to the bed.

830
00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:32,339
Krenwinkel, with a knife,
stabbed her as hard as she could

831
00:51:32,422 --> 00:51:35,050
but hit her shoulder blade,
and the knife bent.

832
00:51:35,133 --> 00:51:36,635
[hesitating]

833
00:51:36,718 --> 00:51:38,386
Tex came in and…

834
00:51:39,429 --> 00:51:41,139
[hesitates] …killed her.

835
00:51:41,890 --> 00:51:43,642
And then Tex turned me around

836
00:51:44,392 --> 00:51:46,853
and handed me the knife,
and he said, "Do something,"

837
00:51:47,646 --> 00:51:51,691
because Manson had told him to make sure
that all of us got our hands dirty.

838
00:51:51,775 --> 00:51:53,485
[inhales]

839
00:51:53,568 --> 00:51:55,112
And, um,

840
00:51:56,279 --> 00:51:58,406
I stabbed Mrs. LaBianca in the lower back

841
00:51:58,990 --> 00:52:01,785
about 16 times.

842
00:52:01,868 --> 00:52:03,870
[knife stabbing, slashing]

843
00:52:09,251 --> 00:52:11,128
[interviewer] And there was no pity?

844
00:52:13,004 --> 00:52:15,465
No mercy, no. No.

845
00:52:17,259 --> 00:52:19,302
[Patricia] It had been said by Charlie

846
00:52:19,386 --> 00:52:21,930
to make sure
that there was all these witchy signs.

847
00:52:22,013 --> 00:52:26,143
I went, and Mr. LaBianca was already dead.

848
00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:28,562
And I had gotten a fork,

849
00:52:29,229 --> 00:52:32,858
and I stabbed him with a fork repeatedly

850
00:52:32,941 --> 00:52:35,485
and eventually left the fork in him.

851
00:52:37,988 --> 00:52:40,448
[Stephen] Krenwinkel went
into the living room,

852
00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:46,788
and in Leno's blood wrote
"death to pigs" on the living room wall,

853
00:52:47,372 --> 00:52:49,958
"rise" above the front door,

854
00:52:51,334 --> 00:52:55,714
and the words "helter skelter"
on the refrigerator door.

855
00:52:55,797 --> 00:52:57,924
[suspenseful music continues]

856
00:52:58,884 --> 00:53:01,595
[newsreader 1] It's been 72 hours now
since actress Sharon Tate

857
00:53:01,678 --> 00:53:05,140
and her four friends were murdered
in a rented home near Bel-Air,

858
00:53:05,223 --> 00:53:07,851
and many questions
still remain unanswered.

859
00:53:08,476 --> 00:53:11,062
[newsreader 2] Tonight, the city
of Los Angeles is uneasy

860
00:53:11,146 --> 00:53:13,982
after two strange murders
have left seven dead

861
00:53:14,065 --> 00:53:15,734
and no clues to the killers.

862
00:53:19,321 --> 00:53:23,283
[Tom] I felt that the police knew
who did the murders really quickly,

863
00:53:23,867 --> 00:53:26,494
but they didn't pursue them
for two months.

864
00:53:28,496 --> 00:53:32,209
The Family left
a trail of evidence everywhere,

865
00:53:32,292 --> 00:53:34,377
but the cops don't do anything.

866
00:53:34,461 --> 00:53:37,756
The cops say that the LaBianca
and Tate murders aren't connected.

867
00:53:38,256 --> 00:53:39,633
They knew they were connected.

868
00:53:39,716 --> 00:53:42,761
The next day,
these two sheriffs go into the autopsy

869
00:53:42,844 --> 00:53:45,680
and say, "We have a similar murder,
Gary Hinman,

870
00:53:46,681 --> 00:53:49,684
same mode of killing,
same blood writing on the wall."

871
00:53:51,811 --> 00:53:55,315
"We know it's these people at
the Spahn Ranch who did these murders."

872
00:53:56,191 --> 00:53:58,193
[unsettling music playing]

873
00:54:00,987 --> 00:54:05,367
The LAPD says, "No, no, we're on
to another lead, narcotics traffickers."

874
00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:08,286
How did he know they weren't part
of the narcotics traffickers?

875
00:54:08,370 --> 00:54:10,288
Nobody went to the Spahn Ranch
to interview anyone

876
00:54:10,372 --> 00:54:12,123
except there was this huge raid…

877
00:54:14,125 --> 00:54:16,962
where they're all picked up
on a bunch of other charges.

878
00:54:18,171 --> 00:54:19,923
They had stolen guns,

879
00:54:21,549 --> 00:54:23,176
stolen vehicles…

880
00:54:23,260 --> 00:54:24,469
[camera shutter clicks]

881
00:54:25,971 --> 00:54:27,806
…underage runaway girls.

882
00:54:31,101 --> 00:54:34,062
Charlie had stolen credit cards
in his pocket.

883
00:54:35,230 --> 00:54:37,399
They were all released three days later.

884
00:54:37,983 --> 00:54:40,318
And Manson's parole wasn't violated.

885
00:54:40,902 --> 00:54:42,904
Somebody wanted this group out there.

886
00:54:46,783 --> 00:54:47,993
[camera shutter clicks]

887
00:54:50,996 --> 00:54:51,955
[camera shutter clicks]

888
00:54:52,038 --> 00:54:54,624
Every single probation
and parole person I talked to,

889
00:54:54,708 --> 00:54:56,167
they all said the same thing.

890
00:54:56,251 --> 00:54:58,753
Not all of them went as far as saying
they were informants,

891
00:54:58,837 --> 00:55:00,422
but they said there's something missing.

892
00:55:00,505 --> 00:55:01,965
[unsettling music playing]

893
00:55:02,048 --> 00:55:05,635
So I was looking into
the possibility of MKUltra

894
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,430
and Jolly West being involved
in these murders.

895
00:55:09,347 --> 00:55:11,850
[Errol] Where else does
Jolly West's name show up?

896
00:55:12,642 --> 00:55:15,395
[Tom] Most famous is
the Kennedy assassination.

897
00:55:15,478 --> 00:55:17,731
[newsreader] Madness and hate
erupt anew in Dallas

898
00:55:17,814 --> 00:55:20,442
as President Kennedy's accused assassin
is shot down himself

899
00:55:20,525 --> 00:55:22,027
during a jail transfer.

900
00:55:22,861 --> 00:55:24,571
[reporter] There is Lee Oswald.

901
00:55:26,698 --> 00:55:27,907
He's been shot.

902
00:55:28,491 --> 00:55:29,826
[music stops]

903
00:55:29,909 --> 00:55:33,621
[Errol] Jack Ruby was the killer
of Lee Harvey Oswald.

904
00:55:35,665 --> 00:55:38,043
[Tom] Jolly went to examine Ruby

905
00:55:39,085 --> 00:55:43,131
a few weeks before Ruby was gonna testify
as to why he shot Oswald.

906
00:55:43,673 --> 00:55:45,884
He didn't testify at his own trial.

907
00:55:45,967 --> 00:55:48,053
He never spoke publicly,

908
00:55:48,136 --> 00:55:50,764
so he was going to testify
to the Warren Commission.

909
00:55:50,847 --> 00:55:54,142
Jolly West flies into Dallas,

910
00:55:54,851 --> 00:55:58,897
goes to the county jail, spends
a couple hours talking to Jack Ruby,

911
00:55:58,980 --> 00:56:01,524
and he comes out after his examination

912
00:56:02,108 --> 00:56:08,031
and says, in the preceding 24 hours,
Jack Ruby has had a break with reality.

913
00:56:09,783 --> 00:56:11,951
It's that I find him to be

914
00:56:13,203 --> 00:56:15,538
uh, mentally ill at this time,

915
00:56:15,622 --> 00:56:17,957
and I think a mentally ill person
should be in a hospital.

916
00:56:18,041 --> 00:56:19,417
Just as simple as that.

917
00:56:19,959 --> 00:56:22,670
Any possibility
that he might have just been faking?

918
00:56:22,754 --> 00:56:24,047
Not in my opinion.

919
00:56:24,839 --> 00:56:26,508
[unsettling music playing]

920
00:56:26,591 --> 00:56:29,052
[Tom] So in other words,
in the day of that meeting,

921
00:56:29,135 --> 00:56:30,637
Jack Ruby lost his mind.

922
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:33,515
[man laughing maniacally]

923
00:56:33,598 --> 00:56:37,185
Well, this is what Jolly West
had been doing for ten years.

924
00:56:38,144 --> 00:56:41,606
Learning how to induce insanity
with someone without their knowledge.

925
00:56:43,274 --> 00:56:45,693
It was the CIA objective of MKUltra.

926
00:56:46,236 --> 00:56:48,571
[discordant music playing]

927
00:56:50,740 --> 00:56:53,618
One of the biggest problems
is I've never been able to put

928
00:56:53,701 --> 00:56:55,829
West and Manson in the same room.

929
00:56:55,912 --> 00:56:59,249
I don't have one person that can say
they ever saw them together.

930
00:56:59,332 --> 00:57:03,920
I mean, Manson emerged from the Haight
at the end of 1967,

931
00:57:04,003 --> 00:57:06,005
the same time that West left,

932
00:57:06,089 --> 00:57:09,509
as exactly
what they were trying to create.

933
00:57:09,592 --> 00:57:10,844
Well, it was his girls.

934
00:57:10,927 --> 00:57:14,180
You know, people who would kill,
on command, without remorse,

935
00:57:14,264 --> 00:57:18,059
who would do
whatever they were told to do.

936
00:57:18,143 --> 00:57:20,728
That group left and went down to LA,
and then a year later

937
00:57:20,812 --> 00:57:22,522
committed these horrific crimes.

938
00:57:22,605 --> 00:57:24,607
[unsettling music playing]

939
00:57:26,192 --> 00:57:29,779
[newsreader] A wandering band of members
of a so-called "religious cult"

940
00:57:29,863 --> 00:57:31,448
with a leader they call Jesus

941
00:57:32,031 --> 00:57:34,200
has had three of its followers arrested

942
00:57:34,284 --> 00:57:38,204
in the investigation of the murder
of Sharon Tate and six others.

943
00:57:40,457 --> 00:57:45,712
[Tom] The first information they had
that pointed towards the Manson Family

944
00:57:45,795 --> 00:57:48,840
came from Susan Atkins.

945
00:57:48,923 --> 00:57:50,758
[suspenseful music playing]

946
00:57:51,468 --> 00:57:52,969
She met Charlie in the Haight.

947
00:57:53,052 --> 00:57:57,849
By the mid to end of '67,
she was a hardcore follower.

948
00:58:03,313 --> 00:58:04,856
[newsreader] The Family left the caves

949
00:58:04,939 --> 00:58:06,941
they'd been living in
on the Spahn Movie Ranch

950
00:58:07,025 --> 00:58:09,694
in the early fall, after the Tate murders.

951
00:58:10,236 --> 00:58:13,573
The Family set up another camp
in the desert, near Death Valley.

952
00:58:13,656 --> 00:58:16,784
Five members are now in jail
on other charges

953
00:58:16,868 --> 00:58:19,037
in the desert town of Independence.

954
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,415
The Family's leader,
Charles Manson, is jailed here.

955
00:58:22,499 --> 00:58:25,877
It is expected that he will be charged
in the Tate murders.

956
00:58:26,711 --> 00:58:30,590
[Tom] So Susan Atkins got picked up
with a group at Barker Ranch.

957
00:58:32,383 --> 00:58:34,260
She was brought back to LA.

958
00:58:34,344 --> 00:58:37,388
They only had her
on the Gary Hinman murder

959
00:58:37,472 --> 00:58:40,350
'cause she had participated
with Bobby Beausoleil in that.

960
00:58:41,392 --> 00:58:44,604
They hadn't connected her yet
to Tate, LaBianca, although they had.

961
00:58:44,687 --> 00:58:46,189
They just weren't saying it.

962
00:58:47,482 --> 00:58:51,486
They took Susan out of custody
in Death Valley,

963
00:58:51,569 --> 00:58:56,616
brought her to Sybil Brand,
and then in the course of a week…

964
00:58:56,699 --> 00:58:59,285
[Errol] Starts blabbing away
to her cellmate.

965
00:58:59,869 --> 00:59:03,706
[Tom] Two cellmates, Virginia Graham
and Ronnie Howard.

966
00:59:05,625 --> 00:59:07,919
Who I believe were planted in her cell.

967
00:59:09,837 --> 00:59:12,131
They were both married to the same man.

968
00:59:12,882 --> 00:59:17,303
They both had been semi-prostitutes.
Virginia Graham's a friend of mine.

969
00:59:17,387 --> 00:59:20,265
I really like her.
She's never admitted this to me, but…

970
00:59:20,765 --> 00:59:23,142
[Errol] How can you be a semi-prostitute?

971
00:59:23,726 --> 00:59:25,395
I don't even know what that is.

972
00:59:25,895 --> 00:59:30,191
Well, I mean, because Virginia Graham
resents it when I call her a prostitute.

973
00:59:30,275 --> 00:59:35,572
She said, "No, no, no, I just enjoyed
the generosity of the men I dated."

974
00:59:35,655 --> 00:59:37,740
[unsettling music playing]

975
00:59:37,824 --> 00:59:40,326
They were also writing bad checks,

976
00:59:41,077 --> 00:59:42,745
false prescriptions for drugs,

977
00:59:42,829 --> 00:59:46,249
and they were in and out of jail,
but they were both picked up the same week

978
00:59:46,332 --> 00:59:47,792
and put into jail.

979
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:54,340
And that's
when they solicited Atkins's story.

980
00:59:55,425 --> 00:59:59,012
[newsreader] He calls himself
Jesus sometimes, Satan others.

981
00:59:59,095 --> 01:00:00,888
"Charles Manson" is his real name.

982
01:00:00,972 --> 01:00:04,017
Manson was the leader
of the hippie cult, or Family,

983
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:07,103
accused of killing Sharon Tate
and perhaps 12 others.

984
01:00:07,186 --> 01:00:10,106
Manson reportedly was miffed
at Terry Melcher,

985
01:00:10,189 --> 01:00:11,524
son of singer Doris Day,

986
01:00:11,608 --> 01:00:14,694
for refusing to help Manson
get a recording contract.

987
01:00:14,777 --> 01:00:17,572
Melcher was a former tenant
of the Tate house.

988
01:00:17,655 --> 01:00:20,742
The house apparently became
a symbol of rejection to Manson,

989
01:00:20,825 --> 01:00:22,327
and, according to a cult member,

990
01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:24,579
the leader ordered
all in the house killed.

991
01:00:25,413 --> 01:00:28,583
Manson is said to have
a hypnotic effect over his cult.

992
01:00:29,584 --> 01:00:32,211
[Tom] They needed Atkins to testify

993
01:00:32,879 --> 01:00:37,175
to indict Manson, Watson,

994
01:00:38,009 --> 01:00:42,263
Van Houten, Krenwinkel, and Kasabian.

995
01:00:43,598 --> 01:00:47,268
So they got Atkins away from her lawyer,

996
01:00:47,769 --> 01:00:51,189
who had been court appointed
and who would have defended her properly,

997
01:00:51,272 --> 01:00:52,649
and get a new attorney.

998
01:00:52,732 --> 01:00:55,526
And I have the memos.
They had a meeting, and they said,

999
01:00:55,610 --> 01:00:59,405
"Who do we have…
that would have more control over her

1000
01:00:59,489 --> 01:01:01,491
and get from her what we need?"

1001
01:01:01,574 --> 01:01:02,992
[suspenseful music playing]

1002
01:01:08,998 --> 01:01:09,874
[pen scratching]

1003
01:01:11,250 --> 01:01:12,085
[pen scratching]

1004
01:01:14,337 --> 01:01:15,254
[pen scratching]

1005
01:01:16,130 --> 01:01:17,924
So they get her Dick Caballero,

1006
01:01:18,007 --> 01:01:22,970
immediately make a deal
for her to testify at the grand jury

1007
01:01:23,513 --> 01:01:27,892
for limited immunity,
which is she won't get the death penalty.

1008
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:32,980
But she also has to testify at the trial,
and she can't go back to Charles Manson.

1009
01:01:33,064 --> 01:01:35,191
She can't recant, or she loses her deal.

1010
01:01:35,274 --> 01:01:37,276
They all knew that she was gonna recant.

1011
01:01:39,070 --> 01:01:42,115
They were basically all working
for the prosecution.

1012
01:01:42,198 --> 01:01:44,200
[suspenseful music playing]

1013
01:01:49,247 --> 01:01:50,581
The grand jury hearing,

1014
01:01:50,665 --> 01:01:56,879
Atkins testified under the influence
of the people who were prosecuting her,

1015
01:01:56,963 --> 01:01:59,757
not with the defense attorney
protecting her.

1016
01:02:01,926 --> 01:02:05,012
[reporter] Susan. Susan, how have you
been treated since your arrest?

1017
01:02:09,183 --> 01:02:11,769
Same way as all other inmates are treated.

1018
01:02:17,275 --> 01:02:19,527
[newsreader] It took
the grand jury just 20 minutes

1019
01:02:19,610 --> 01:02:21,821
to agree that six members
of the hippie tribe

1020
01:02:21,904 --> 01:02:24,240
should be indicted
in the Sharon Tate murders

1021
01:02:24,323 --> 01:02:26,993
and those of a supermarket owner
and his wife.

1022
01:02:30,955 --> 01:02:36,836
[Errol] When a story did start to emerge,
it was managed very carefully.

1023
01:02:37,462 --> 01:02:39,797
It was managed and manipulated.

1024
01:02:40,465 --> 01:02:42,425
[Errol] And what was the story?

1025
01:02:42,508 --> 01:02:47,555
[Tom] Exactly what we think of now
when we think of the Manson murders,

1026
01:02:47,638 --> 01:02:51,309
that these kids went out
and became corrupted

1027
01:02:51,392 --> 01:02:55,062
by the freedoms of the '60s movement
and turned into monsters.

1028
01:02:55,146 --> 01:02:57,732
So in other words,
don't let your kids do drugs,

1029
01:02:57,815 --> 01:03:01,903
don't let them join communes,
don't let them march against the war

1030
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:07,200
because they're all gonna turn into
these crazed killers

1031
01:03:07,283 --> 01:03:10,036
who have no respect for life.

1032
01:03:11,329 --> 01:03:13,331
[intriguing music playing]

1033
01:03:14,123 --> 01:03:16,501
If you want to get into
COINTELPRO and CHAOS,

1034
01:03:16,584 --> 01:03:22,548
it served their purposes
to have the world finally turn against

1035
01:03:22,632 --> 01:03:26,886
this… left-wing anti-war movement,

1036
01:03:26,969 --> 01:03:30,097
which a lot of people conflated
with hippies.

1037
01:03:35,978 --> 01:03:38,898
[newsreader] Secret FBI memos
made public today

1038
01:03:38,981 --> 01:03:40,817
show that the late J. Edgar Hoover

1039
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:45,613
ordered a nationwide campaign
to disrupt the activities of the New Left.

1040
01:03:46,364 --> 01:03:49,992
He ordered his agents
not only to expose New Left groups

1041
01:03:50,076 --> 01:03:53,538
but to take action against them
to neutralize them.

1042
01:03:54,747 --> 01:03:58,918
[Tom] COINTELPRO was started
in 1967 by the FBI.

1043
01:03:59,001 --> 01:04:02,505
CHAOS was started in 1967 by the CIA.

1044
01:04:02,588 --> 01:04:09,262
Those two programs were designed
to infiltrate left-wing groups,

1045
01:04:10,263 --> 01:04:13,266
especially the Panthers,
and neutralize them.

1046
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:15,351
That's what their own documents say.

1047
01:04:17,979 --> 01:04:21,941
Do whatever it took to basically

1048
01:04:22,733 --> 01:04:24,986
make them ineffective, wipe them out.

1049
01:04:27,780 --> 01:04:30,449
[crowd chanting]

1050
01:04:30,533 --> 01:04:33,411
[Tom] The powers that be in 1969,

1051
01:04:33,911 --> 01:04:39,166
they all believed
that there was going to be a civil war

1052
01:04:39,250 --> 01:04:41,752
because of this left-wing movement.

1053
01:04:41,836 --> 01:04:47,341
[crowd chanting]

1054
01:04:49,302 --> 01:04:52,305
[Tom] There's celebrities
that were supporting the Panthers,

1055
01:04:52,388 --> 01:04:54,015
having fundraisers for them.

1056
01:04:56,517 --> 01:04:58,895
There's a memo from November of '68,

1057
01:04:58,978 --> 01:05:02,440
so that's less than a year
before the Tate-LaBianca murders.

1058
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:08,237
The COINTELPRO memo said,

1059
01:05:08,321 --> 01:05:10,781
"When the revolution finally happens,

1060
01:05:10,865 --> 01:05:14,285
we have to make the celebrities understand

1061
01:05:14,368 --> 01:05:17,830
that they're gonna be lined up
against the wall with everyone else."

1062
01:05:20,333 --> 01:05:22,752
And what happens?
Eight or nine months later,

1063
01:05:22,835 --> 01:05:25,463
Sharon Tate and Jay Sebring,

1064
01:05:25,546 --> 01:05:28,507
two of the biggest jet-setters
in that world,

1065
01:05:28,591 --> 01:05:30,801
are slaughtered at the Cielo house,

1066
01:05:32,887 --> 01:05:34,889
a house with a very high profile.

1067
01:05:36,307 --> 01:05:38,309
[intriguing music subsides]

1068
01:05:41,771 --> 01:05:45,316
[Errol] It's hard for me to believe
that this is being orchestrated

1069
01:05:45,399 --> 01:05:46,859
by the federal government.

1070
01:05:47,693 --> 01:05:50,112
I would never go that far to say
it was orchestrated.

1071
01:05:50,696 --> 01:05:54,367
Orchestrated sounds like
it's planned in advance,

1072
01:05:54,450 --> 01:05:56,452
executed, and then covered up.

1073
01:05:56,953 --> 01:05:58,955
It could've been just
that Manson had, you know,

1074
01:05:59,038 --> 01:06:01,749
leeway to do whatever he wanted
for two years.

1075
01:06:02,291 --> 01:06:04,001
Maybe that was all it was.

1076
01:06:07,171 --> 01:06:11,884
Kind of ironic, if nothing else,
that before we knew about COINTELPRO

1077
01:06:11,968 --> 01:06:14,178
and the FBI setting up the Panthers,

1078
01:06:14,261 --> 01:06:19,016
Manson's plan was to pin these murders
on the Panthers.

1079
01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:21,102
[unsettling music playing]

1080
01:06:29,819 --> 01:06:32,363
[Errol] Well, the things
that just keep coming back to me

1081
01:06:32,446 --> 01:06:33,906
that I wonder about,

1082
01:06:35,366 --> 01:06:39,495
one was, of course,
that close chronological connection

1083
01:06:39,578 --> 01:06:44,458
between the time of your arrest
and the murders.

1084
01:06:48,087 --> 01:06:51,632
And the other is the writing
on the wall in blood,

1085
01:06:52,133 --> 01:06:55,344
how it got repeated three times.

1086
01:06:58,139 --> 01:07:01,225
First with Hinman,
and then again, Cielo Drive,

1087
01:07:01,308 --> 01:07:02,852
and then with the LaBiancas.

1088
01:07:05,646 --> 01:07:07,857
[Bobby] I can see where you would have

1089
01:07:07,940 --> 01:07:10,484
thoughts about
the correlations of those things.

1090
01:07:14,238 --> 01:07:16,532
I think it's important

1091
01:07:16,615 --> 01:07:20,578
that the story be stripped down
to the bare bones.

1092
01:07:22,038 --> 01:07:23,831
The bare bones of the thing.

1093
01:07:27,084 --> 01:07:31,630
There's no doubt in my mind
what the motivation was. None. Zero.

1094
01:07:36,135 --> 01:07:39,597
Charlie had gotten paranoid
of his own people.

1095
01:07:40,598 --> 01:07:46,312
He wanted to bind them to him
through their committing bad crimes.

1096
01:07:47,229 --> 01:07:48,647
That was the true motive.

1097
01:07:51,859 --> 01:07:55,696
So he sent Tex Watson

1098
01:07:57,239 --> 01:07:58,324
to kill Terry.

1099
01:07:59,742 --> 01:08:01,827
Terry lived at Cielo Drive.

1100
01:08:03,662 --> 01:08:08,042
All the time that Charlie knew him,
he lived at Cielo Drive.

1101
01:08:09,502 --> 01:08:11,796
He didn't know that Terry had moved.

1102
01:08:13,005 --> 01:08:15,925
Watson asked,
"What if there's somebody else there?"

1103
01:08:16,425 --> 01:08:19,095
Charlie just told him
to kill whoever's there.

1104
01:08:22,723 --> 01:08:27,520
The ignorance of not knowing
that Terry had left that residence

1105
01:08:28,312 --> 01:08:31,398
meant that five other people got murdered.

1106
01:08:35,111 --> 01:08:37,029
[unsettling music playing]

1107
01:08:37,113 --> 01:08:39,490
[newsreader] The trial of Charles Manson
and three young women

1108
01:08:39,573 --> 01:08:43,410
charged with the murder of Sharon Tate
and six other persons last summer

1109
01:08:43,494 --> 01:08:45,329
finally began today in Los Angeles.

1110
01:08:46,038 --> 01:08:48,165
[Stephen] I can't emphasize enough

1111
01:08:48,249 --> 01:08:51,335
the importance of what happened
in the courtroom.

1112
01:08:52,128 --> 01:08:54,880
If there was any doubt in a juror's mind

1113
01:08:54,964 --> 01:09:01,512
about whether or not Manson was
the Svengali leader over these women,

1114
01:09:02,638 --> 01:09:04,765
that was dispelled in the courtroom…

1115
01:09:08,185 --> 01:09:10,604
because every time he did something,

1116
01:09:10,688 --> 01:09:13,983
like he jumped up
and would yell at the judge,

1117
01:09:14,066 --> 01:09:16,360
the three women would do the same thing.

1118
01:09:17,736 --> 01:09:20,531
He came in one day
with an X on his forehead

1119
01:09:20,614 --> 01:09:22,616
that he'd cut in with razor blades,

1120
01:09:24,577 --> 01:09:28,497
and the next day, the three women carved
X's into their foreheads.

1121
01:09:30,749 --> 01:09:33,711
It was just clear to everybody
in the courtroom

1122
01:09:33,794 --> 01:09:36,088
that Manson was calling the shots

1123
01:09:36,172 --> 01:09:39,508
and had these women
completely under his control.

1124
01:09:41,260 --> 01:09:43,679
[newsreader] The case
has since become a bizarre national

1125
01:09:43,762 --> 01:09:45,681
and international sensation,

1126
01:09:45,764 --> 01:09:48,809
attracting the attention of everyone
from President Nixon

1127
01:09:48,893 --> 01:09:50,811
to the curious people
who sit in the courtroom

1128
01:09:50,895 --> 01:09:52,855
where the case is being heard.

1129
01:09:52,938 --> 01:09:54,481
It's all a play, isn't it?

1130
01:09:55,524 --> 01:09:56,650
[women singing]

1131
01:09:56,734 --> 01:09:59,486
[newsreader] Something else this trial
has done is gather together again

1132
01:09:59,570 --> 01:10:02,573
those members of Manson's Family
who are not in jail.

1133
01:10:04,575 --> 01:10:08,913
News accounts depicted them
as living a life filled with drugs and sex

1134
01:10:08,996 --> 01:10:12,875
and a kind of religion preached
by one man who ruled this Family

1135
01:10:12,958 --> 01:10:15,085
with an unusual power of persuasion.

1136
01:10:15,169 --> 01:10:17,171
[suspenseful music playing]

1137
01:10:18,547 --> 01:10:23,052
[Tom] The only reason that there's still
a cultural obsession with this case

1138
01:10:23,552 --> 01:10:27,431
isn't because
a famous director's actress wife

1139
01:10:27,514 --> 01:10:29,683
was murdered in such a horrific way.

1140
01:10:30,517 --> 01:10:33,229
It wasn't that so many people were killed.

1141
01:10:38,859 --> 01:10:41,570
People are fascinated

1142
01:10:41,654 --> 01:10:44,949
by the fact that this little ex-convict

1143
01:10:45,032 --> 01:10:47,034
had so mesmerized these people.

1144
01:10:48,452 --> 01:10:50,454
[suspenseful music continues]

1145
01:10:53,582 --> 01:10:56,752
He took all their possessions.
He changed their names.

1146
01:11:01,423 --> 01:11:05,761
There were no clocks allowed
on the ranch, no newspapers,

1147
01:11:05,844 --> 01:11:07,888
no contact with the outside world.

1148
01:11:08,389 --> 01:11:10,849
And then he would give them LSD.

1149
01:11:14,979 --> 01:11:18,357
They would take LSD
for days and nights at a time

1150
01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:22,695
during which he would preach to them
and induct them into his philosophies.

1151
01:11:23,696 --> 01:11:26,073
-Morning. Sun's shining this morning.
-[reporter] Morning.

1152
01:11:26,156 --> 01:11:27,366
-[reporter] It is.
-Yes.

1153
01:11:27,866 --> 01:11:30,077
[reporter] What do you expect
to do in there today?

1154
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,329
-Uh, they won't let me do anything.
-[reporter] I see.

1155
01:11:32,413 --> 01:11:34,748
-They're doing it all.
-[reporter] What are your plans?

1156
01:11:34,832 --> 01:11:35,874
I have none.

1157
01:11:37,876 --> 01:11:40,212
-I'm going to the desert. Yeah.
-[reporter] The desert?

1158
01:11:41,964 --> 01:11:46,135
He had a very magnetic personality.

1159
01:11:46,218 --> 01:11:47,970
When he walked in a room,

1160
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:52,349
you could almost feel
the electricity pouring off of him.

1161
01:11:53,684 --> 01:11:55,519
He was a very bright guy.

1162
01:11:56,270 --> 01:11:59,857
He could quote the Bible almost verbatim.

1163
01:12:01,734 --> 01:12:08,198
He could twist it into what he wanted it
to mean, like the murders.

1164
01:12:10,868 --> 01:12:13,704
Revelation 9 of the Bible, Manson said

1165
01:12:14,288 --> 01:12:18,042
the locusts that were gonna fly out
of the bottomless pit

1166
01:12:18,125 --> 01:12:20,461
weren't really locusts.
They were The Beatles.

1167
01:12:21,086 --> 01:12:25,799
And they had breastplates of armor.
Well, that was their musical instruments.

1168
01:12:29,136 --> 01:12:31,138
[Errol] This is The "Beatles" Beatles?

1169
01:12:31,221 --> 01:12:33,140
[Stephen] Yes, The "Beatles" Beatles.

1170
01:12:35,934 --> 01:12:40,522
When they flew out of the bottomless pit,
they were gonna start Armageddon.

1171
01:12:42,733 --> 01:12:46,904
The Family members would listen
to The White Album on LSD.

1172
01:12:48,864 --> 01:12:53,994
Manson said, "Well, the song 'Blackbird,'
the blackbirds were the Black men."

1173
01:12:54,578 --> 01:12:57,247
[The Beatles] ♪ Blackbird fly… ♪

1174
01:12:57,331 --> 01:12:59,708
[Stephen] They'd been waiting
for this moment to arise.

1175
01:13:00,834 --> 01:13:06,632
In the LaBianca house,
above the front door on the inside

1176
01:13:07,299 --> 01:13:09,301
was written the word "rise."

1177
01:13:09,385 --> 01:13:13,597
[The Beatles] ♪ You were only waiting
For this moment to arise ♪

1178
01:13:14,264 --> 01:13:16,725
[Stephen] There was
a song called "Piggies."

1179
01:13:16,809 --> 01:13:21,271
[The Beatles] ♪ Have you seen
The little piggies crawling in the dirt? ♪

1180
01:13:22,564 --> 01:13:25,025
[Stephen] Pigs for Manson and the Family,

1181
01:13:25,109 --> 01:13:28,487
they were upper-class,
upper-middle-class whites.

1182
01:13:29,196 --> 01:13:31,698
[The Beatles] ♪ In their eyes
There's something lacking ♪

1183
01:13:31,782 --> 01:13:34,159
♪ What they need's a damn good whacking ♪

1184
01:13:34,243 --> 01:13:37,996
[Stephen] There was another song
in the album called "Helter Skelter."

1185
01:13:38,539 --> 01:13:42,126
That's where Manson got the name
for the revolution.

1186
01:13:42,209 --> 01:13:45,629
[The Beatles] ♪ Look out, helter skelter ♪

1187
01:13:45,712 --> 01:13:48,132
♪ She's coming down fast ♪

1188
01:13:48,757 --> 01:13:49,591
♪ Yes ♪

1189
01:13:50,801 --> 01:13:54,012
[Stephen] I know Tom O'Neill has
a different take.

1190
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,767
I firmly believe
that Manson wanted to start a race war.

1191
01:13:58,851 --> 01:14:01,979
That was the… the motive for the murders.

1192
01:14:03,605 --> 01:14:06,859
He was just obsessed
with this race war idea.

1193
01:14:07,359 --> 01:14:08,694
And Helter Skelter.

1194
01:14:11,071 --> 01:14:12,948
[newsreader] Well, the headlines
are reading now

1195
01:14:13,532 --> 01:14:15,284
Manson wanted to start a race war.

1196
01:14:15,367 --> 01:14:17,453
Do you want to put that
a little more in perspective?

1197
01:14:18,328 --> 01:14:20,998
Well, I guess you could capsulize it
by saying that

1198
01:14:21,081 --> 01:14:23,959
in Manson's mind,
the term Helter Skelter meant

1199
01:14:24,042 --> 01:14:26,587
the Black man rising up
against the white establishment

1200
01:14:26,670 --> 01:14:28,338
and murdering the entire white race

1201
01:14:28,422 --> 01:14:30,841
with the exception of, uh…
of him and his followers

1202
01:14:30,924 --> 01:14:32,885
who intended to escape from Helter Skelter

1203
01:14:33,469 --> 01:14:35,971
by going to the desert
and living in the bottomless pit.

1204
01:14:36,054 --> 01:14:38,265
At least that's
what he told his… his Family.

1205
01:14:38,765 --> 01:14:40,851
Uh, he got much of this from Revelation 9,

1206
01:14:40,934 --> 01:14:42,603
which is the last book
in the New Testament.

1207
01:14:42,686 --> 01:14:45,522
He got some of his other philosophies
from The Beatles.

1208
01:14:45,606 --> 01:14:47,399
Uh, he was an avid follower
of The Beatles.

1209
01:14:47,483 --> 01:14:50,068
Now, admittedly,
this is far-out and bizarre,

1210
01:14:50,152 --> 01:14:52,696
but these murders
were exceptionally strange

1211
01:14:52,779 --> 01:14:54,656
and exceptionally bizarre also.

1212
01:14:54,740 --> 01:14:57,534
You're not likely to find
a garden-variety type of motive

1213
01:14:57,618 --> 01:14:59,661
for murders as strange
and bizarre as these.

1214
01:14:59,745 --> 01:15:01,205
You have to realize that.

1215
01:15:03,707 --> 01:15:07,294
[Errol] Are you saying that
the whole Helter Skelter narrative

1216
01:15:07,377 --> 01:15:10,714
from Vince Bugliosi is false?

1217
01:15:11,882 --> 01:15:13,967
How can you make that argument?

1218
01:15:14,051 --> 01:15:15,802
Oh, just 'cause I don't believe it.

1219
01:15:15,886 --> 01:15:18,931
-[unsettling music playing]
-In the beginning, I believed it.

1220
01:15:19,014 --> 01:15:22,392
I read Helter Skelter for the first time
after it was a magazine assignment.

1221
01:15:22,476 --> 01:15:23,852
[newsreader] The best-selling book

1222
01:15:23,936 --> 01:15:26,230
that revealed every true
and bloody detail.

1223
01:15:27,814 --> 01:15:29,399
[Tom] I couldn't wait to meet Bugliosi.

1224
01:15:29,483 --> 01:15:33,237
I couldn't believe he was giving me
so much of his time.

1225
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,155
Our first meeting was about six hours.

1226
01:15:35,239 --> 01:15:36,448
[camera shutter clicks]

1227
01:15:38,408 --> 01:15:42,120
It wasn't until weeks and months later

1228
01:15:42,204 --> 01:15:44,915
that I started finding holes
in his narrative,

1229
01:15:44,998 --> 01:15:47,626
and I'd go back to him and say,
"Vince, I don't understand this

1230
01:15:47,709 --> 01:15:49,002
or that or the other thing."

1231
01:15:50,671 --> 01:15:54,091
He knew that
the more sensational a case he presented,

1232
01:15:54,675 --> 01:15:56,635
the better sales the book would have.

1233
01:16:03,183 --> 01:16:05,561
[Errol] Why couldn't they believe
this nonsense?

1234
01:16:07,020 --> 01:16:08,146
[chuckles]

1235
01:16:08,939 --> 01:16:11,692
[Tom] I think the girls
might have believed in Helter Skelter.

1236
01:16:11,775 --> 01:16:14,736
They might've been doing it
because that's what Charlie told them.

1237
01:16:16,029 --> 01:16:17,155
If that's the case,

1238
01:16:17,823 --> 01:16:20,617
then he successfully brainwashed them
into believing it.

1239
01:16:20,701 --> 01:16:22,369
[somber music playing]

1240
01:16:24,913 --> 01:16:28,542
But I don't believe
that's why Charlie did it.

1241
01:16:30,586 --> 01:16:33,213
I believe there was another motive,
another reason,

1242
01:16:35,048 --> 01:16:37,009
and I was trying to find out why.

1243
01:16:42,139 --> 01:16:44,057
[somber music fades]

1244
01:16:46,351 --> 01:16:48,937
[unsettling music playing]

1245
01:16:49,021 --> 01:16:52,232
[Bobby] Bugliosi knew what the truth was
but didn't reveal it.

1246
01:16:54,318 --> 01:16:58,614
It was not to start a race war,
which was Bugliosi's theory.

1247
01:17:01,491 --> 01:17:03,118
He knew what the truth was.

1248
01:17:04,244 --> 01:17:06,913
He knew that Manson
talked about that kind of shit.

1249
01:17:07,414 --> 01:17:11,335
Stories told around the campfire
that really were just that.

1250
01:17:13,003 --> 01:17:15,255
But it had nothing to do with the murders.

1251
01:17:17,549 --> 01:17:19,718
His intention from the get-go

1252
01:17:20,927 --> 01:17:23,680
was to do exactly what he did.

1253
01:17:25,182 --> 01:17:28,810
Write a book,
make a bazillion dollars on that book,

1254
01:17:29,478 --> 01:17:32,856
and live on it for the rest of his life

1255
01:17:32,939 --> 01:17:35,317
and sell the movie rights,

1256
01:17:37,235 --> 01:17:38,487
which is what he did.

1257
01:17:39,613 --> 01:17:42,741
His writer was sitting in the courtroom

1258
01:17:43,241 --> 01:17:46,411
taking notes for the book
that they were already writing

1259
01:17:46,495 --> 01:17:49,456
while he was trying Charlie
and those three girls.

1260
01:17:51,500 --> 01:17:53,043
He had to get a conviction.

1261
01:17:53,126 --> 01:17:55,962
He wanted to portray himself in this book

1262
01:17:56,046 --> 01:17:59,633
as the white knight protecting
all the people of America.

1263
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,763
"Helter Skelter" simply means confusion.

1264
01:18:05,347 --> 01:18:08,183
All we wanted to do
to start with was tell the truth,

1265
01:18:08,266 --> 01:18:11,186
but the lawyers wouldn't let us
because they wanted to sell it.

1266
01:18:12,354 --> 01:18:15,607
We just wanted to tell the truth,
but they didn't want the truth to come out

1267
01:18:15,691 --> 01:18:18,151
because you couldn't write books
with the truth.

1268
01:18:18,652 --> 01:18:22,114
Couldn't make big money.
Couldn't sell all this madness,

1269
01:18:22,906 --> 01:18:27,577
all the fear
and the vicarious thrill for somebody.

1270
01:18:28,078 --> 01:18:29,621
["My World" by Charles Manson playing]

1271
01:18:29,705 --> 01:18:33,542
[Manson] ♪ My world is a sad world ♪

1272
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:38,880
♪ Often wonder if there's blame ♪

1273
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:43,927
♪ Such a fool in a mad, mad world ♪

1274
01:18:45,679 --> 01:18:48,682
♪ With no picture in my frame ♪

1275
01:18:50,684 --> 01:18:53,562
♪ Everyone says crazy fool ♪

1276
01:18:54,146 --> 01:18:57,941
♪ You're always gazing at the night ♪

1277
01:19:00,986 --> 01:19:03,655
♪ With my arms around a tree ♪

1278
01:19:03,739 --> 01:19:07,784
[Stephen] Manson and the three women
didn't put on a defense at the trial.

1279
01:19:08,535 --> 01:19:15,125
Manson testified for an hour
out of the presence of the jury.

1280
01:19:15,208 --> 01:19:17,919
The judge asked him, "Do you wanna testify
in front of the jury?"

1281
01:19:18,003 --> 01:19:20,589
And Manson said,
"No, I've said what I have to say."

1282
01:19:20,672 --> 01:19:22,674
[unsettling music playing]

1283
01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:30,223
[newsreader] It took 42 and one-half hours
of deliberating

1284
01:19:30,307 --> 01:19:34,269
before the jury sent out word
that it had indeed reached a verdict.

1285
01:19:35,645 --> 01:19:38,982
The three girls on trial,
Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel,

1286
01:19:39,065 --> 01:19:42,486
and Leslie Van Houten,
grinned and talked among themselves.

1287
01:19:43,779 --> 01:19:46,448
Charles Manson smiled
and stroked his beard.

1288
01:19:49,534 --> 01:19:51,536
Then the verdicts were read.

1289
01:19:51,620 --> 01:19:54,039
For the murders
of Sharon Tate and Jay Sebring,

1290
01:19:54,122 --> 01:19:57,626
the accused were all found guilty
in the first degree.

1291
01:19:57,709 --> 01:20:00,879
For the murders of Abigail Folger
and Wojciech Frykowski,

1292
01:20:00,962 --> 01:20:03,048
guilty in the first degree.

1293
01:20:03,632 --> 01:20:07,636
For the murder of Steven Parent,
guilty in the first degree.

1294
01:20:07,719 --> 01:20:08,762
The clerk continued.

1295
01:20:08,845 --> 01:20:11,473
For the murders
of Rosemary and Leno LaBianca,

1296
01:20:11,556 --> 01:20:13,350
guilty in the first degree.

1297
01:20:14,684 --> 01:20:17,395
Manson shouted at the jurors,
"You're all guilty."

1298
01:20:18,188 --> 01:20:20,899
"We are still not allowed
to put on a defense."

1299
01:20:22,651 --> 01:20:24,653
[indistinct chatter]

1300
01:20:26,321 --> 01:20:28,907
[reporter] Would you like
to go through this kind of a trial again?

1301
01:20:29,533 --> 01:20:30,534
[chuckles]

1302
01:20:31,034 --> 01:20:33,411
Well, I'm kind of a courtroom battler.

1303
01:20:33,495 --> 01:20:35,455
I, uh… I like a trial.

1304
01:20:35,539 --> 01:20:37,833
I like the excitement, the drama.

1305
01:20:37,916 --> 01:20:41,378
Uh, I was very honored
that my office selected me

1306
01:20:41,461 --> 01:20:43,547
to handle a trial of this magnitude.

1307
01:20:44,506 --> 01:20:47,133
I think, in retrospect,
I would have accepted again,

1308
01:20:47,217 --> 01:20:52,472
although the trial did create problems
that I never anticipated.

1309
01:20:55,141 --> 01:20:57,394
[woman] Well, that was a trial.

1310
01:20:57,477 --> 01:21:00,146
Eight months of prosecution testimony.

1311
01:21:00,814 --> 01:21:05,277
Uh, they've convicted these people,
and you are next.

1312
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,612
-All of you. Listen.
-[reporter] What are you gonna do?

1313
01:21:08,530 --> 01:21:11,241
There's a revolution coming very soon.

1314
01:21:11,324 --> 01:21:14,619
What would you do next now?
What are you gonna do right now?

1315
01:21:14,703 --> 01:21:17,163
We're gonna stay here until Charlie's out.

1316
01:21:17,664 --> 01:21:21,459
-Looks like that will be never.
-He'll be out. All the people will be out.

1317
01:21:21,543 --> 01:21:24,588
There's a revolution coming.
You've all judged yourselves.

1318
01:21:26,464 --> 01:21:28,466
[unsettling music playing]

1319
01:21:36,016 --> 01:21:39,144
[Tom] How did he learn
how to brainwash those kids?

1320
01:21:39,644 --> 01:21:40,979
Really in under a year.

1321
01:21:42,022 --> 01:21:45,275
Yeah, he was a con artist,
but everybody who knew him in prison

1322
01:21:45,358 --> 01:21:49,362
and everybody who knew him
prior to becoming Charlie Manson

1323
01:21:49,446 --> 01:21:52,365
said he was a joke to everybody.
Nobody took him seriously.

1324
01:21:52,866 --> 01:21:55,911
He somehow got help.

1325
01:21:57,329 --> 01:21:58,747
Where'd that come from?

1326
01:22:03,710 --> 01:22:07,088
[Errol] Well, you're suggesting
Manson was a puppet.

1327
01:22:09,633 --> 01:22:12,052
[Tom] I'm suggesting
that's a possibility, yeah.

1328
01:22:12,552 --> 01:22:14,554
He was being used by the state.

1329
01:22:16,514 --> 01:22:19,768
And then you have
that whole COINTELPRO, CHAOS,

1330
01:22:19,851 --> 01:22:21,853
MKUltra angle to it.

1331
01:22:23,813 --> 01:22:28,026
Ironically, Vince was the one
who put me on that path.

1332
01:22:29,861 --> 01:22:34,115
He actually writes,
"Was it something he learned in prison?"

1333
01:22:34,199 --> 01:22:37,285
"Was it something he picked up
outside of prison?"

1334
01:22:37,369 --> 01:22:40,246
"What intangible quality did he find

1335
01:22:40,997 --> 01:22:44,042
to take control of the minds
of these people

1336
01:22:44,125 --> 01:22:45,627
and turn them into monsters?"

1337
01:22:46,753 --> 01:22:50,382
He had at least 30 people
who would do anything he said.

1338
01:22:51,091 --> 01:22:53,093
He also learned how to find

1339
01:22:53,176 --> 01:22:58,515
some trigger in their unconscious
that made them capable of murdering.

1340
01:23:00,392 --> 01:23:04,104
"They might never have killed," he said,
"if they had never met Manson."

1341
01:23:05,897 --> 01:23:09,484
♪ …is one is one ♪

1342
01:23:10,652 --> 01:23:15,699
♪ In this valley you'll find me ♪

1343
01:23:16,324 --> 01:23:21,454
♪ Only perfection you'll bring ♪

1344
01:23:21,538 --> 01:23:25,625
[Errol] So do you have your own theories
of how Manson got Tex Watson

1345
01:23:25,709 --> 01:23:28,878
and these women to commit these crimes?

1346
01:23:29,713 --> 01:23:32,424
Manson was really into mind control.

1347
01:23:33,925 --> 01:23:38,638
He was fascinated with Scientology.

1348
01:23:39,931 --> 01:23:43,184
He wanted to learn how to

1349
01:23:44,644 --> 01:23:49,232
not only control his own mind
but control others.

1350
01:23:50,358 --> 01:23:53,945
Drugs played the biggest part.

1351
01:23:54,029 --> 01:23:56,406
Opening up their mind to suggestion.

1352
01:23:58,283 --> 01:24:02,787
Manson just… preaching all the time.

1353
01:24:02,871 --> 01:24:06,041
After dinner every night,
he would give these sermons

1354
01:24:06,624 --> 01:24:08,376
about race wars.

1355
01:24:09,085 --> 01:24:09,919
Helter Skelter.

1356
01:24:11,296 --> 01:24:12,672
Murder was okay.

1357
01:24:14,340 --> 01:24:16,217
These people were isolated.

1358
01:24:17,385 --> 01:24:21,222
They didn't have,
like, normal people to talk to

1359
01:24:21,306 --> 01:24:24,350
to tell them
that this was crazy. [chuckles]

1360
01:24:25,101 --> 01:24:27,854
[indistinct preaching]

1361
01:24:38,364 --> 01:24:40,366
[Errol] Now, correct me if I'm wrong,

1362
01:24:40,867 --> 01:24:47,207
but suddenly, LSD becomes
a possible way of explaining

1363
01:24:47,999 --> 01:24:50,794
really bizarre behavior.

1364
01:24:51,878 --> 01:24:54,631
For me, it's even less the behavior.

1365
01:24:54,714 --> 01:24:58,635
It's the change of thought,
of personality,

1366
01:24:59,260 --> 01:25:04,432
how the people in the group that
we're talking about didn't just act weird.

1367
01:25:04,516 --> 01:25:08,269
They completely shifted
in the way they looked at the world

1368
01:25:08,353 --> 01:25:09,729
and they viewed the world.

1369
01:25:12,899 --> 01:25:17,862
Manson got these girls to completely
abandon their sense of morality

1370
01:25:18,363 --> 01:25:23,326
and their code of ethics and to believe
that there was no such thing as evil.

1371
01:25:24,410 --> 01:25:26,329
[women laughing]

1372
01:25:26,412 --> 01:25:30,375
It stuck. It became fixed for years.

1373
01:25:31,501 --> 01:25:34,337
Once they were out of Manson's sphere
and in prison,

1374
01:25:34,420 --> 01:25:37,215
the ones that were convicted
and served prison terms,

1375
01:25:37,841 --> 01:25:43,388
it took them years to be de-patterned
or deprogrammed and to renounce Manson.

1376
01:25:43,471 --> 01:25:45,473
[somber music playing]

1377
01:25:46,975 --> 01:25:50,228
Susan Atkins, she said,
"I still can't get him out of my head."

1378
01:25:50,854 --> 01:25:52,856
"I can't get him out of my head."

1379
01:25:54,399 --> 01:25:55,817
"His thoughts are my thoughts."

1380
01:25:55,900 --> 01:25:59,070
"I try so hard,
and I can't get Charlie out of my head."

1381
01:25:59,654 --> 01:26:04,242
It's so alive in me,
even just recalling it,

1382
01:26:04,325 --> 01:26:08,204
I remember that I had gone so far,
and there was no turning back.

1383
01:26:08,288 --> 01:26:11,666
Even if I had wanted to run,
even if I had wanted to leave, I couldn't.

1384
01:26:11,749 --> 01:26:15,378
It was like I was caught in something
that I had no control over.

1385
01:26:15,461 --> 01:26:18,173
I had absolutely no say-so
as to what was happening there.

1386
01:26:18,256 --> 01:26:21,467
I was just like a tool
in the hands of the devil

1387
01:26:21,551 --> 01:26:23,469
is the only way I can put it.

1388
01:26:23,553 --> 01:26:29,475
Manson used LSD to create
personality change and make it fixed,

1389
01:26:29,976 --> 01:26:34,063
make it last
after the LSD trips had ended,

1390
01:26:35,273 --> 01:26:38,943
which is in
all of the LSD research objectives

1391
01:26:39,027 --> 01:26:40,778
for the MKUltra scientists.

1392
01:26:44,157 --> 01:26:47,243
-Hey, Sarge, cut it out. What…?
-Tut-tut. Quiet, Ed, please.

1393
01:26:47,744 --> 01:26:50,955
Now, you just sit there quietly
and cooperate.

1394
01:26:51,831 --> 01:26:52,665
Yes, ma'am.

1395
01:26:54,959 --> 01:26:58,880
[Errol] MKUltra, I don't even know
what to make of it.

1396
01:26:58,963 --> 01:27:05,428
It seems to me that
they wanted to achieve certain objectives,

1397
01:27:05,929 --> 01:27:10,433
the idea of creating
a Manchurian candidate is this dream.

1398
01:27:10,516 --> 01:27:11,601
Mm-hmm.

1399
01:27:11,684 --> 01:27:15,355
But were they ever able
to come even close to creating that?

1400
01:27:16,272 --> 01:27:19,484
I somehow don't think so.

1401
01:27:24,822 --> 01:27:27,742
[Tom] I have Jolly West's report
to the CIA

1402
01:27:29,077 --> 01:27:31,663
that he had successfully learned
how to replace

1403
01:27:32,789 --> 01:27:34,791
true memories with false memories.

1404
01:27:35,833 --> 01:27:38,086
-[pen scratching]
-[somber music continues]

1405
01:27:40,463 --> 01:27:44,050
And he used LSD, hypnosis,
and other unnamed drugs,

1406
01:27:44,926 --> 01:27:46,261
so that's a success.

1407
01:27:48,846 --> 01:27:49,681
[Errol] If true.

1408
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:53,142
It's important enough a document

1409
01:27:53,226 --> 01:27:57,939
that when the CIA was forced to turn over
what little they had,

1410
01:27:58,022 --> 01:28:00,441
they summarized it and they took out

1411
01:28:00,942 --> 01:28:04,529
that he had successfully, um,
planted false memories in people

1412
01:28:04,612 --> 01:28:06,281
without their awareness.

1413
01:28:06,364 --> 01:28:08,491
So, if they took that stuff out,

1414
01:28:08,574 --> 01:28:12,495
a very important milestone
for the MKUltra objectives,

1415
01:28:13,037 --> 01:28:15,456
replacing true memories
with false memories,

1416
01:28:16,082 --> 01:28:19,377
then what else did they withhold from us?
We'll never know.

1417
01:28:21,212 --> 01:28:22,839
He could have been lying,

1418
01:28:22,922 --> 01:28:27,552
but he kept getting financed by the CIA
through at least the early '60s.

1419
01:28:30,763 --> 01:28:34,600
What does it all mean?
I'm very honest about not knowing.

1420
01:28:36,019 --> 01:28:38,104
[suspenseful music playing]

1421
01:28:41,190 --> 01:28:45,069
[Manson] How can I control your mind?
Can I make a robot out of you?

1422
01:28:45,862 --> 01:28:48,281
Can you control mine
or make a robot out of me?

1423
01:28:48,781 --> 01:28:51,159
People had Leslie Van Houten
long before I had her.

1424
01:28:51,242 --> 01:28:53,077
Her mother had her first.

1425
01:28:53,161 --> 01:28:55,496
Her dad had her.
Her parents had her. Her school had her.

1426
01:28:55,580 --> 01:28:57,415
The TV had her. The movies had her.

1427
01:28:58,583 --> 01:29:01,961
And then you come up and say,
"Well, you had influence over her."

1428
01:29:03,004 --> 01:29:06,966
Certainly I had influence over her.
I have influence over everybody I meet.

1429
01:29:07,050 --> 01:29:10,470
But that doesn't mean
that I directed her to be herself.

1430
01:29:13,222 --> 01:29:14,932
I didn't set your house on fire.

1431
01:29:15,016 --> 01:29:16,976
Don't blame me for your children.

1432
01:29:18,227 --> 01:29:20,772
You raised your children,
you programmed your children,

1433
01:29:20,855 --> 01:29:22,482
and you made your children.

1434
01:29:25,318 --> 01:29:27,612
[Tom] The reason people watch drama,

1435
01:29:28,654 --> 01:29:31,532
they want to find the truth
behind the surface.

1436
01:29:31,616 --> 01:29:33,993
Otherwise, they're bored
out of their mind.

1437
01:29:34,077 --> 01:29:36,496
You know, what secret
has that protagonist got,

1438
01:29:36,579 --> 01:29:38,456
or what really happened?

1439
01:29:38,539 --> 01:29:41,250
[Errol] But in fiction
you can always jigger it

1440
01:29:41,334 --> 01:29:43,669
in such a way that there is a resolution,

1441
01:29:43,753 --> 01:29:44,962
whereas in real life…

1442
01:29:45,046 --> 01:29:46,214
Yeah, no.

1443
01:29:46,297 --> 01:29:47,507
[chuckles]

1444
01:29:48,007 --> 01:29:49,175
[Errol] …you can't.

1445
01:29:49,675 --> 01:29:52,136
That's why the book's called Chaos,
kind of.

1446
01:29:52,220 --> 01:29:53,846
-[Errol] Yes.
-It's chaotic.

1447
01:29:56,057 --> 01:29:58,601
There's so much,
you know, so many threads.

1448
01:30:15,952 --> 01:30:19,372
[Bobby] The problem
with this story in particular

1449
01:30:20,665 --> 01:30:25,253
is that people are very fond of their…

1450
01:30:29,257 --> 01:30:30,299
fantasy.

1451
01:30:34,303 --> 01:30:39,517
They don't want to hear
how mundane the story actually is,

1452
01:30:41,102 --> 01:30:46,607
how not a mastermind Charlie actually was.

1453
01:30:48,651 --> 01:30:50,570
In his paranoid delusions,

1454
01:30:51,237 --> 01:30:53,948
in his miscalculations…

1455
01:30:56,242 --> 01:30:57,452
it was just

1456
01:30:58,453 --> 01:31:00,455
blunder after blunder after blunder.

1457
01:31:03,875 --> 01:31:07,420
If you only knew
what I know now in terms of

1458
01:31:08,796 --> 01:31:10,339
the criminal mindset.

1459
01:31:13,301 --> 01:31:15,011
[Errol] People love conspiracies.

1460
01:31:17,555 --> 01:31:18,806
[Bobby] Yeah, they do.

1461
01:31:21,267 --> 01:31:23,811
They want it to be
more complicated than it is,

1462
01:31:23,895 --> 01:31:28,065
and it's so hard to disabuse people
from those fantasies.

1463
01:31:36,032 --> 01:31:36,866
Now.

1464
01:31:38,117 --> 01:31:40,536
Is there any decency in you at all?

1465
01:31:41,037 --> 01:31:44,957
-[man] Charlie, there's a lot of decency.
-Okay, is there any respect in you at all?

1466
01:31:45,041 --> 01:31:46,334
[man] For you, Charlie?

1467
01:31:47,001 --> 01:31:51,255
-You can't ask me to respect you.
-I just made a nice film for you, man.

1468
01:31:51,797 --> 01:31:55,968
-And what does that do to you? Does that--
-[man] It lets people see you.

1469
01:31:56,052 --> 01:31:58,471
So you still don't see me as anybody

1470
01:31:58,554 --> 01:32:02,016
but what you need me to be
in your mind as a what?

1471
01:32:02,099 --> 01:32:04,810
-[man] When you kill nine people--
-When I kill nine people?

1472
01:32:04,894 --> 01:32:05,895
[man] You can't come back.

1473
01:32:05,978 --> 01:32:08,147
I was never convicted
for killing nine people.

1474
01:32:09,690 --> 01:32:11,442
[man] Would they be dead
if it wasn't for you?

1475
01:32:11,526 --> 01:32:15,321
What do you mean? The world
wouldn't be here if it wasn't for me.

1476
01:32:15,404 --> 01:32:17,698
If it wasn't for me, you'd all be gone.

1477
01:32:18,950 --> 01:32:22,703
["People Say I'm No Good"
by Charles Manson playing]

1478
01:32:26,791 --> 01:32:32,213
♪ People say I'm no good ♪

1479
01:32:35,299 --> 01:32:41,180
♪ But they never, never do they say ♪

1480
01:32:42,265 --> 01:32:43,266
[static fizzles]

1481
01:32:43,349 --> 01:32:46,185
♪ Why their world is so mixed up ♪

1482
01:32:46,269 --> 01:32:50,606
♪ Or how it got that way ♪

1483
01:32:52,441 --> 01:32:58,155
♪ They all look at me and they frown ♪

1484
01:33:00,283 --> 01:33:05,121
♪ Do I really look so strange? ♪

1485
01:33:06,122 --> 01:33:08,374
♪ If they really dug themselves ♪

1486
01:33:08,457 --> 01:33:13,296
♪ I know they'd want to change ♪

1487
01:33:14,088 --> 01:33:17,425
♪ Everybody says you're no good ♪

1488
01:33:18,801 --> 01:33:22,263
♪ 'Cause you don't do
Like they think you should ♪

1489
01:33:22,346 --> 01:33:24,557
♪ Do you expect them ♪

1490
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:28,144
♪ An' do you expect you to act like them ♪

1491
01:33:28,227 --> 01:33:30,146
♪ Look at them, man ♪

1492
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:34,358
♪ Look at the fix they're in ♪

1493
01:33:34,442 --> 01:33:41,449
♪ I don't care
I don't care what they say ♪

1494
01:33:41,532 --> 01:33:46,454
♪ Just let 'em sit there and burn ♪

1495
01:33:46,537 --> 01:33:50,583
♪ The young might not be
So dumb after all ♪

1496
01:33:50,666 --> 01:33:55,630
♪ An' from the young
You might even learn ♪

1497
01:33:55,713 --> 01:33:59,800
♪ Everybody says you're no good ♪

1498
01:33:59,884 --> 01:34:04,680
♪ 'Cause, Charles, you don't do
You don't do like they think you should ♪

1499
01:34:04,764 --> 01:34:08,309
♪ Do you expect them to act like you? ♪

1500
01:34:08,392 --> 01:34:13,814
♪ Do you expect them
To expect you to act like them? ♪

1501
01:34:13,898 --> 01:34:15,941
♪ Do you expect to see ♪

1502
01:34:16,025 --> 01:34:20,696
♪ Do you expect the fool
To see what a fix he's in? ♪

1503
01:34:23,908 --> 01:34:30,873
♪ Do you expect the fool
To see what a fix he's in? ♪

1504
01:34:37,380 --> 01:34:41,884
♪ In your cardboard houses ♪

1505
01:34:41,967 --> 01:34:46,597
♪ An' your tin-can cars ♪

1506
01:34:47,431 --> 01:34:50,893
♪ You sit there and you wonder ♪

1507
01:34:50,976 --> 01:34:54,605
♪ You wonder where you are ♪

1508
01:34:54,689 --> 01:34:58,442
♪ Those diamond rings ♪

1509
01:34:58,526 --> 01:35:02,154
♪ They're obscene ♪

1510
01:35:02,238 --> 01:35:04,699
♪ You sit there and you wonder ♪

1511
01:35:04,782 --> 01:35:09,120
♪ And you say who's to blame ♪

1512
01:35:09,203 --> 01:35:11,956
♪ Take a look at yourself ♪

1513
01:35:12,873 --> 01:35:14,917
♪ Take yourself off the shelf ♪

1514
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,336
♪ You can't belong to nobody ♪

1515
01:35:17,420 --> 01:35:20,589
♪ With your can't-cough medicine ♪

1516
01:35:20,673 --> 01:35:23,175
♪ And your wonder drug ♪

1517
01:35:23,759 --> 01:35:26,053
♪ You got more sickness ♪

1518
01:35:27,054 --> 01:35:29,682
♪ Than you got cures of ♪