WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:02:13.650 --> 00:02:14.996 It's funny, 4 00:02:15.031 --> 00:02:15.825 because you're in the middle of nowhere 5 00:02:15.859 --> 00:02:17.206 and you have nothing. 6 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:20.519 You can scream all you want. No one will hear you. 7 00:02:22.901 --> 00:02:24.730 I remember one day we were saying, 8 00:02:24.765 --> 00:02:27.388 "What now? What are we going to do? 9 00:02:27.423 --> 00:02:31.254 We're trapped here in a dead end, there's nowhere to go. 10 00:02:31.289 --> 00:02:32.290 What are we gonna do?" 11 00:02:35.258 --> 00:02:38.710 Then Miltino got philosophical. "No, we must go down. 12 00:02:38.744 --> 00:02:41.713 Let's fix this boat and go down." 13 00:02:41.747 --> 00:02:45.095 I said, "Miltino, I'm not going down there. 14 00:02:45.130 --> 00:02:50.135 Didn't you see what happened downstream? Go down, really?" 15 00:02:50.308 --> 00:02:54.691 When you get into something like a rapid or a waterfall, 16 00:02:54.726 --> 00:02:57.038 that's when you really die. 17 00:02:57.073 --> 00:03:01.457 It's from here up. I'm going up, I'm not going down. 18 00:03:03.907 --> 00:03:06.393 The Indians, who were of little support at that point, 19 00:03:06.427 --> 00:03:08.636 they had stayed way up there. 20 00:03:08.671 --> 00:03:12.088 It was no use screaming or doing anything else. 21 00:03:12.122 --> 00:03:15.574 No one could really hear us. We were far below. 22 00:03:19.647 --> 00:03:23.203 Bill, the pilot, flew to the region 23 00:03:23.237 --> 00:03:26.344 a few days after they started the trip. 24 00:03:26.378 --> 00:03:29.278 I don't remember which runway it was, 25 00:03:29.312 --> 00:03:33.627 but he wanted to go to the region they were going up, 26 00:03:33.661 --> 00:03:35.870 but fly over the region. 27 00:03:35.905 --> 00:03:40.254 He flew over trying to see if he could find them 28 00:03:40.289 --> 00:03:45.259 or see them, and he didn't. 29 00:03:47.779 --> 00:03:49.539 The labyrinth is so big 30 00:03:49.574 --> 00:03:52.646 that when you look down on it, you look at everything. 31 00:03:53.509 --> 00:03:56.960 You're looking around everywhere. 32 00:03:58.030 --> 00:04:01.896 You can't focus on just one branch of the river, 33 00:04:01.931 --> 00:04:06.660 so if you're not visible, there's no fire or anything, 34 00:04:06.694 --> 00:04:08.282 you'll not be seen. 35 00:04:09.939 --> 00:04:12.631 That's what happened. We were very frustrated. 36 00:04:12.666 --> 00:04:15.082 I said, "Oh, there's a plane. Ah." 37 00:04:15.116 --> 00:04:17.084 There was nothing we could do. 38 00:04:21.295 --> 00:04:23.090 We knew it was a very difficult trip 39 00:04:23.124 --> 00:04:25.092 because of the rapids. 40 00:04:25.126 --> 00:04:29.821 There are almost 80 kilometers of rapids. They don't stop. 41 00:04:29.855 --> 00:04:33.687 We were going to start with a small engine, 42 00:04:33.721 --> 00:04:36.931 the 15 horsepower, which was what we had. 43 00:04:38.761 --> 00:04:42.661 The boat was very heavy with four passengers 44 00:04:42.696 --> 00:04:45.802 and everything we needed to survive. 45 00:04:45.837 --> 00:04:49.461 All the food, weapons, clothes, 46 00:04:51.808 --> 00:04:56.537 bows, arrows, lots of things, chainsaws, axes, 47 00:04:58.159 --> 00:05:01.473 all the things we needed for a trip like that. 48 00:05:07.790 --> 00:05:11.138 You start to take stock of your own life 49 00:05:12.622 --> 00:05:17.593 in terms of who you really are, your arrogance. 50 00:05:17.627 --> 00:05:21.597 In our case, on that very journey, 51 00:05:24.565 --> 00:05:28.742 we knew the jungle because we had lived there for 10 years. 52 00:05:28.776 --> 00:05:33.471 Everything we knew that had gone down the drain 53 00:05:33.505 --> 00:05:35.749 and there was nothing left. 54 00:05:46.449 --> 00:05:51.420 We had to sleep in the middle of the jungle. We had nothing. 55 00:05:51.834 --> 00:05:53.663 Now the problems begin. 56 00:07:25.030 --> 00:07:29.932 A lot of people live like that. You can't go up or down. 57 00:07:31.243 --> 00:07:34.764 You don't have emotional and physical strength anymore. 58 00:07:35.765 --> 00:07:40.218 The situation is completely out of the human perspective. 59 00:07:41.771 --> 00:07:43.186 God works. 60 00:07:55.129 --> 00:07:59.755 As life is fragile as it is, like a mist, 61 00:07:59.789 --> 00:08:01.895 like it is said in the Bible. 62 00:08:03.137 --> 00:08:06.002 When you begin to think, you're walking, 63 00:08:06.037 --> 00:08:08.695 and you're bitten by a snake. 64 00:08:08.729 --> 00:08:12.043 The snake injects just a little bit of venom 65 00:08:12.077 --> 00:08:15.046 in your huge body and you're gone. 66 00:08:18.118 --> 00:08:22.018 You walk down the street, you're perfectly healthy. 67 00:08:22.053 --> 00:08:25.366 You can fall and hit your head and die. 68 00:10:25.486 --> 00:10:28.282 I don't know if it was because of the trauma 69 00:10:28.317 --> 00:10:30.043 from that whole situation, 70 00:10:30.077 --> 00:10:33.149 and I'm not even trying to justify it, 71 00:10:33.184 --> 00:10:35.704 because it was a surprise for me too. 72 00:10:35.738 --> 00:10:40.191 Instead of thinking about surviving and getting out of it, 73 00:10:40.225 --> 00:10:45.230 I start thinking about things, and that gets very difficult. 74 00:10:45.437 --> 00:10:48.440 I start thinking about the family, parents. 75 00:10:48.475 --> 00:10:51.443 No one will ever find our bodies here. 76 00:10:51.478 --> 00:10:55.620 How is a funeral without a body? 77 00:10:58.071 --> 00:11:00.970 I've read my whole life. I've always loved reading. 78 00:11:01.005 --> 00:11:04.456 I read everything that fell in front of me. 79 00:11:04.491 --> 00:11:07.597 I read about the great Chesterton expeditions. 80 00:11:07.632 --> 00:11:11.084 I read "Tom Sawyer," "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer." 81 00:11:11.118 --> 00:11:13.224 When you read this book, 82 00:11:13.258 --> 00:11:15.951 you will see that they are lost on an island, 83 00:11:15.985 --> 00:11:18.367 and come back to watch their own funeral. 84 00:11:20.024 --> 00:11:22.854 It is a very famous book by Mark Twain. 85 00:11:24.407 --> 00:11:28.480 Eh, it wasn't any fun. It was no fun at all. 86 00:11:28.515 --> 00:11:32.761 I kept thinking about how my father, my brother, 87 00:11:32.795 --> 00:11:36.730 Marcia, Tamoto, Tiana would react at my funeral. 88 00:11:36.765 --> 00:11:40.147 That was an unexpected reaction for me. 89 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:48.811 I don't know if Miltino got into a tailspin, 90 00:11:48.846 --> 00:11:53.816 but he wondered a lot, he thought a lot about death. 91 00:11:56.094 --> 00:11:58.131 What is going to happen now? 92 00:11:58.165 --> 00:12:00.858 I said, "Okay, Miltino, so what? 93 00:12:00.892 --> 00:12:05.759 We might die and if we die, we die. What can I do? 94 00:12:06.484 --> 00:12:08.279 There's nothing we can do." 95 00:12:08.313 --> 00:12:10.833 It was going to be a funeral without a body, 96 00:12:10.868 --> 00:12:12.801 but he kept thinking about it. 97 00:12:12.835 --> 00:12:14.837 "What's it going to be like?" 98 00:12:14.872 --> 00:12:16.563 "I don't know, Miltino. 99 00:12:16.597 --> 00:12:19.152 What do I know about a funeral without a body? 100 00:12:19.186 --> 00:12:21.188 Let them worry about it." 101 00:12:29.196 --> 00:12:31.405 Those years we spent in the jungle, 102 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:33.545 I didn't worry at all 103 00:12:33.580 --> 00:12:38.171 because Miltino had full knowledge about that place. 104 00:12:39.103 --> 00:12:42.416 He went out with the Indians, fished, 105 00:12:42.451 --> 00:12:45.765 piloted the outboard motor very well. 106 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:49.113 He knew the forest. He was very prepared. 107 00:12:49.147 --> 00:12:52.219 I wholeheartedly trusted him. 108 00:12:55.291 --> 00:12:57.846 Whether we needed a lighter boat, 109 00:12:57.880 --> 00:13:00.918 and he told me the whole thing about it, 110 00:13:00.952 --> 00:13:02.712 why they used that boat. 111 00:13:03.575 --> 00:13:06.199 Everything was very natural to me. 112 00:13:08.718 --> 00:13:10.617 Until, if I'm not mistaken, 113 00:13:10.651 --> 00:13:13.137 on Wednesday they called me into the office 114 00:13:13.171 --> 00:13:16.554 to tell me that the Indians had arrived in Patamau. 115 00:13:16.588 --> 00:13:20.627 That the boat had capsized, bent, sunk or whatever. 116 00:13:20.661 --> 00:13:24.113 I don't remember the story the Indians told about the boat, 117 00:13:24.148 --> 00:13:27.013 and that boat had disappeared in the water, 118 00:13:27.910 --> 00:13:31.776 and that they thought that Curt and Miltino had died. 119 00:13:31.811 --> 00:13:36.712 Then I asked, "Did you see the bodies?" He said, "No." 120 00:13:37.955 --> 00:13:41.027 After a while, one of them, I don't remember which one, 121 00:13:41.061 --> 00:13:44.547 came and said, "Do you understand that they might be dead?" 122 00:13:44.582 --> 00:13:48.551 I said, "I understand, but nobody found the body, right?" 123 00:14:26.210 --> 00:14:28.626 I came here on an internship 124 00:14:28.660 --> 00:14:30.386 and I liked it a lot. 125 00:14:32.526 --> 00:14:35.322 On April 17th, 1980, we came here. 126 00:14:40.914 --> 00:14:42.882 I was 25. Marcia was 23. 127 00:14:45.574 --> 00:14:48.680 We had already been married for a year, 128 00:14:48.715 --> 00:14:50.579 and we weren't worried about it 129 00:14:50.613 --> 00:14:55.204 because it was something that we were prepared for 130 00:14:55.239 --> 00:14:58.345 through courses, internships, 131 00:14:58.380 --> 00:15:00.554 we already knew what was going to happen. 132 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:06.457 We were thrilled with the new things. 133 00:15:06.491 --> 00:15:08.010 Everything was so different. 134 00:15:10.357 --> 00:15:14.189 First, a language that we didn't understand at all. 135 00:15:14.223 --> 00:15:17.675 The way people dressed, the environment, 136 00:15:17.709 --> 00:15:21.506 the sound of the forest, the night, 137 00:15:23.612 --> 00:15:26.132 everything was new for us, 138 00:15:26.166 --> 00:15:28.997 like when you're in a different country. 139 00:15:33.415 --> 00:15:37.039 It all looked very interesting. "What is that?" 140 00:15:37.074 --> 00:15:40.318 I wanted to learn whenever we heard a noise 141 00:15:40.353 --> 00:15:42.044 during the conversations. 142 00:15:43.735 --> 00:15:47.222 When people talked, and they talked 143 00:15:47.256 --> 00:15:51.433 and we understood absolutely nothing, what they wanted. 144 00:15:51.467 --> 00:15:53.953 And everything they said seemed important. 145 00:15:53.987 --> 00:15:56.817 "What did he say? What is this?" 146 00:16:00.407 --> 00:16:03.997 Also, when it came to what we were going to eat, 147 00:16:04.032 --> 00:16:08.208 how to clean the curassow, the wild turkey, iguana, 148 00:16:09.692 --> 00:16:13.834 how to eat a paca belly, clean a pig. 149 00:16:13.869 --> 00:16:17.562 Things that logically we had never done, 150 00:16:17.597 --> 00:16:22.567 but we didn't have big problems because it was a path. 151 00:16:23.051 --> 00:16:26.951 Like I said before, I reached my goal, 152 00:16:26.986 --> 00:16:29.091 and I got to where I was able 153 00:16:29.126 --> 00:16:32.646 because I had been preparing myself for so many years. 154 00:16:33.716 --> 00:16:37.548 I left so much behind to be able to be where I was going. 155 00:16:43.209 --> 00:16:46.764 I came home. This is where I wanted to stay. 156 00:16:46.798 --> 00:16:49.836 That was the beginning of the story all these years. 157 00:16:55.566 --> 00:16:58.396 There were many years learning the language, 158 00:16:58.431 --> 00:17:01.261 learning a lot about the culture. 159 00:17:01.296 --> 00:17:04.989 There were good years, our children were born, 160 00:17:05.024 --> 00:17:08.234 and we really missed those years we spent in the jungle. 161 00:17:09.511 --> 00:17:12.755 When I arrived, one of the things that was very interesting 162 00:17:12.790 --> 00:17:16.104 was that in those years, 163 00:17:16.138 --> 00:17:19.452 contact with outsiders was still very limited. 164 00:17:19.486 --> 00:17:23.870 In an Indigenous society, you have a kinship line 165 00:17:23.904 --> 00:17:26.631 and that is very important. 166 00:17:26.666 --> 00:17:31.636 When Marcia and I arrived, we were adopted by a family. 167 00:17:33.466 --> 00:17:38.126 I had a mother, I had brothers. I still have brothers. 168 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:41.163 The woman said, "You will be my son." 169 00:17:43.165 --> 00:17:44.339 Yunia knew was her name. 170 00:17:46.341 --> 00:17:49.689 She had several children. They called me brother. 171 00:17:49.723 --> 00:17:51.587 They treated me like a brother, 172 00:17:51.622 --> 00:17:53.969 and they were always there for me. 173 00:17:54.003 --> 00:17:56.005 There was another lady too who said, 174 00:17:56.040 --> 00:17:58.491 "You are going to be my son." 175 00:17:58.525 --> 00:18:00.734 I was a part of her family too. 176 00:18:00.769 --> 00:18:05.187 I had two mothers, which is typical in this culture, 177 00:18:05.222 --> 00:18:09.467 because they have a family system called extended family, 178 00:18:13.057 --> 00:18:15.818 and there you can ask "How many mothers you have?" 179 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:35.010 When you go into an environment like this, 180 00:18:35.044 --> 00:18:38.600 which is completely different from yours, 181 00:18:38.634 --> 00:18:40.567 you are the learner. 182 00:18:40.602 --> 00:18:43.052 You're the one who has to learn from them 183 00:18:43.087 --> 00:18:45.572 because you don't understand anything. 184 00:18:45.607 --> 00:18:50.612 If they leave you in the jungle, you get lost and die. 185 00:18:51.095 --> 00:18:54.374 They own the truth of the forest of everything. 186 00:18:54.409 --> 00:18:59.172 They know from end-to-end how things work in nature. 187 00:18:59.207 --> 00:19:04.177 It's incredible, so you have to go willing to learn, 188 00:19:04.660 --> 00:19:06.421 never to teach. 189 00:19:58.714 --> 00:20:00.578 But a cross-cultural context like that 190 00:20:00.613 --> 00:20:02.408 is very interesting. 191 00:20:02.442 --> 00:20:05.894 For example, our children grew up in that context, 192 00:20:05.928 --> 00:20:08.724 so the experience they have is sensational. 193 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:10.968 It's out of this world. 194 00:20:11.002 --> 00:20:14.454 For them, wherever they are, they are fine, 195 00:20:14.489 --> 00:20:15.973 because they know how to live 196 00:20:16.007 --> 00:20:20.322 in another much simpler context in the middle of the forest 197 00:20:20.357 --> 00:20:22.013 and they liked it. 198 00:20:22.048 --> 00:20:25.258 Even today, when they come here to visit us, they say, 199 00:20:25.293 --> 00:20:28.261 "Dad, can I go to the jungle?" 200 00:20:28.296 --> 00:20:30.953 From time to time, David comes 201 00:20:30.988 --> 00:20:33.577 and performs dental work in the village. 202 00:20:33.611 --> 00:20:36.096 When Larissa comes, she also says, 203 00:20:36.131 --> 00:20:38.961 "Dad, can I go to the jungle with you? 204 00:20:38.996 --> 00:20:41.447 She already took one of my grandsons, 205 00:20:41.481 --> 00:20:43.932 and soon she will take the other one too. 206 00:20:46.245 --> 00:20:48.557 They have this cross-cultural experience 207 00:20:48.592 --> 00:20:50.249 that is very positive, 208 00:20:50.283 --> 00:20:53.355 and many people don't have that privilege. 209 00:21:08.128 --> 00:21:11.580 There's people from SESAI who provide healthcare. 210 00:21:11.615 --> 00:21:14.307 In the past, only missionaries carried out 211 00:21:14.342 --> 00:21:17.310 all the treatments, vaccines, et cetera. 212 00:21:20.934 --> 00:21:23.489 Today, that's SESAI's job. 213 00:21:28.045 --> 00:21:31.082 We are now focused on the educational part. 214 00:21:37.675 --> 00:21:38.642 We start to teach them how to read 215 00:21:38.676 --> 00:21:40.609 and write in their native language. 216 00:21:40.644 --> 00:21:44.958 We give them handouts, everything in the Yanomami language. 217 00:21:44.993 --> 00:21:47.720 Only later we give them the transition booklet, 218 00:21:47.754 --> 00:21:50.205 and they start to learn Portuguese. 219 00:21:50.239 --> 00:21:51.620 This is to emphasize 220 00:21:51.655 --> 00:21:54.554 the appreciation of their own language first. 221 00:21:54.589 --> 00:21:58.213 They learn to read and write in their own language as well. 222 00:22:39.772 --> 00:22:41.981 The trip was unfamiliar to us, 223 00:22:42.015 --> 00:22:44.846 but as we already knew the jungle, 224 00:22:46.123 --> 00:22:50.438 I always say this, we knew how to make camp using leaves. 225 00:22:50.472 --> 00:22:53.889 We knew how to shoot, we knew how to fish. 226 00:22:53.924 --> 00:22:58.169 Eh, we knew all that. We were with the native people. 227 00:22:58.204 --> 00:23:02.622 We could make fire. We had taken easy-to-prepare food. 228 00:23:02.657 --> 00:23:07.351 We had honey, we had a lot of things 229 00:23:07.386 --> 00:23:10.699 for if it was a week trip or a 10-day trip, 230 00:23:11.700 --> 00:23:13.046 we wouldn't have a problem. 231 00:23:15.670 --> 00:23:17.706 Our logistics were good. 232 00:23:17.741 --> 00:23:21.676 It was supported by two Indigenous people 233 00:23:21.710 --> 00:23:23.781 who also knew everything, 234 00:23:23.816 --> 00:23:27.026 and we had several years of experience in the jungle. 235 00:23:27.060 --> 00:23:29.994 We knew all the dangers and all that stuff. 236 00:23:35.137 --> 00:23:37.036 In the adventure aspect, 237 00:23:37.070 --> 00:23:39.590 there was also an aspect of ignorance. 238 00:23:42.593 --> 00:23:47.529 Courage is very relative in a case like this. 239 00:23:54.225 --> 00:23:56.711 One of the things we did not foresee 240 00:23:56.745 --> 00:24:01.716 is we had a lot of experience with wooden boats, 241 00:24:05.064 --> 00:24:09.931 and the wooden boats which we used before are much heavier, 242 00:24:11.277 --> 00:24:14.556 but they are also much more stable. 243 00:24:16.420 --> 00:24:20.942 The aluminum boat is fast, but it is not as stable. 244 00:24:20.976 --> 00:24:23.047 It's very edgy. 245 00:24:41.963 --> 00:24:44.379 So we decided, I don't know how, 246 00:24:44.413 --> 00:24:46.899 but let's get an aluminum boat. 247 00:24:46.933 --> 00:24:50.454 At that time, 30, almost 40 years ago, 248 00:24:50.489 --> 00:24:52.491 it was very difficult. 249 00:24:52.525 --> 00:24:57.288 It was very difficult because here in Boa Vista, 250 00:24:57.323 --> 00:24:59.912 there were no aluminum boats to buy. 251 00:24:59.946 --> 00:25:02.535 Today you can find any type, size and color, 252 00:25:02.570 --> 00:25:06.263 and we, we managed to get a boat from Mojine Marine. 253 00:25:08.610 --> 00:25:11.648 It came chartered, arrived in Boa Vista, 254 00:25:11.682 --> 00:25:13.650 but it wasn't the proper boat either. 255 00:25:14.892 --> 00:25:18.931 It had to be that boat they called 256 00:25:18.965 --> 00:25:21.761 because it stays higher on the surface of the water. 257 00:25:26.179 --> 00:25:28.665 The one we got was a cargo boat. 258 00:25:28.699 --> 00:25:30.149 It carried more, 259 00:25:30.183 --> 00:25:32.945 but settled more on the water and was slower. 260 00:25:32.979 --> 00:25:34.740 That's the one we bought, 261 00:25:34.774 --> 00:25:37.501 and we bought the wrong one that was riveted. 262 00:25:37.536 --> 00:25:39.330 It wasn't even welded. 263 00:25:39.365 --> 00:25:43.093 Because the ones that are used today are welded, 264 00:25:43.127 --> 00:25:45.578 and stronger, which is much better. 265 00:25:45.613 --> 00:25:47.684 The rivet one is much weaker. 266 00:25:51.446 --> 00:25:55.484 Then when this boat arrived here in Boa Vista, 267 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:58.211 we had no choice but to say, 268 00:25:58.246 --> 00:26:00.835 "Now we have to take it to the village. 269 00:26:00.869 --> 00:26:04.701 How are we gonna take it, by airplane? It's not gonna work. 270 00:26:04.735 --> 00:26:08.187 We could perhaps get into the Air Force's Buffalo 271 00:26:08.221 --> 00:26:11.259 and take it all the way up to Awarise, 272 00:26:12.398 --> 00:26:17.368 but Awarise goes far beyond the post from where we live. 273 00:26:17.990 --> 00:26:20.026 Then we would have to bring the boat back 274 00:26:20.061 --> 00:26:22.408 with a lot of waterfalls and everything. 275 00:26:22.442 --> 00:26:26.032 We decided, "Ah, let's go up the river." 276 00:26:26.067 --> 00:26:30.589 We set everything up, all the necessary material, fuel, 277 00:26:30.623 --> 00:26:34.903 tools, food, and we take two Indigenous people with us. 278 00:26:34.938 --> 00:26:38.769 We prepared everything for our trip, which would be a feat. 279 00:26:38.804 --> 00:26:42.255 Right on the first day, or didn't even take a day, 280 00:26:42.290 --> 00:26:45.086 we started to sense what we were going to face. 281 00:26:53.404 --> 00:26:56.649 On the first, right on the first day, 282 00:26:56.684 --> 00:26:59.652 or it didn't even take a day, 283 00:26:59.687 --> 00:27:03.104 we started to sense what we were going to face. 284 00:27:04.312 --> 00:27:06.832 Because it was a river with a lot of rapids, 285 00:27:06.866 --> 00:27:09.869 there were times when we had to stop. 286 00:27:11.043 --> 00:27:14.943 Two or three people had to go down on top of a rock, 287 00:27:14.978 --> 00:27:17.739 and then we had to go through the other side 288 00:27:17.774 --> 00:27:22.813 because the engine didn't have enough power to pass. 289 00:27:22.848 --> 00:27:25.195 I'm talking about rapids here. 290 00:27:25.229 --> 00:27:30.200 Imagine when the rapids or the waterfalls are huge. No way. 291 00:27:30.718 --> 00:27:32.478 We already started to see 292 00:27:32.512 --> 00:27:35.723 this trip is going to be challenging. 293 00:27:35.757 --> 00:27:39.002 We kept going, after all, we were young at the time 294 00:27:39.036 --> 00:27:40.313 with an adventurous spirit, 295 00:27:40.348 --> 00:27:42.315 and so we were saying, "Let's go." 296 00:27:51.014 --> 00:27:54.224 It is not a straight river or one that has curves, 297 00:27:54.258 --> 00:27:57.434 but it gets wide, so it is a very different 298 00:27:57.468 --> 00:27:59.816 and very bumpy river. 299 00:27:59.850 --> 00:28:02.439 We knew we were going to face some challenges ahead. 300 00:28:37.267 --> 00:28:39.131 There was no other way. 301 00:28:39.165 --> 00:28:42.617 We had to choose the smaller branches of the river, 302 00:28:42.651 --> 00:28:45.309 and we had no idea where we were. 303 00:28:46.863 --> 00:28:51.799 We didn't know because we always opted for smaller branches 304 00:28:53.076 --> 00:28:57.045 with fewer rapids or weaker rapids 305 00:28:57.080 --> 00:28:58.840 so we could keep going up the river. 306 00:29:00.393 --> 00:29:02.257 We did not know where we were, 307 00:29:03.155 --> 00:29:06.399 whether we were too far to the left, 308 00:29:06.434 --> 00:29:08.712 to the right of the main branch, if there was a main branch, 309 00:29:11.473 --> 00:29:13.130 because that was the option. 310 00:29:14.787 --> 00:29:16.030 We were going up. 311 00:29:16.996 --> 00:29:21.276 And we kept going up without knowing where we were, 312 00:29:21.311 --> 00:29:24.452 but as we went up, we realized 313 00:29:24.486 --> 00:29:27.041 that we had passed the point of no return. 314 00:29:29.112 --> 00:29:31.839 There was no way to go back. 315 00:29:34.911 --> 00:29:39.881 As we went up and passed waterfalls, some of them were big. 316 00:29:40.226 --> 00:29:41.849 We had to take the boat out. 317 00:29:42.953 --> 00:29:45.956 We knew we couldn't go down any further, 318 00:29:45.991 --> 00:29:48.925 because when you're going up the river, 319 00:29:48.959 --> 00:29:51.065 you can still control the engine. 320 00:29:51.997 --> 00:29:55.724 You can stop, you can look where you're going, 321 00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:59.107 you can go back, you can even go in reverse. 322 00:30:00.626 --> 00:30:03.802 We knew that the only way now was to go forward, 323 00:30:04.975 --> 00:30:06.563 and we were getting more scared 324 00:30:07.460 --> 00:30:09.359 because the rapids didn't end. 325 00:30:10.809 --> 00:30:13.984 We would pass one, and soon after there was another, 326 00:30:15.641 --> 00:30:18.644 and another and another and another. 327 00:30:19.818 --> 00:30:22.924 And sometimes taking the boat out, 328 00:30:23.787 --> 00:30:26.376 passing through the woods, and we were scared, 329 00:30:26.410 --> 00:30:28.585 because we couldn't give up on the trip. 330 00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:29.828 We had to keep going. 331 00:30:55.854 --> 00:30:58.546 I remember that when we arrived, 332 00:30:58.580 --> 00:31:01.204 we initially worked hard to learn 333 00:31:01.238 --> 00:31:04.414 the language and the culture, 334 00:31:04.448 --> 00:31:09.108 so we decided not to have children for practically two years 335 00:31:09.143 --> 00:31:12.111 so we could adapt ourselves to the place 336 00:31:12.146 --> 00:31:15.735 and learn the language in the best possible way. 337 00:31:19.429 --> 00:31:22.570 We were very careful to do things as best as possible. 338 00:31:25.435 --> 00:31:28.887 There are people who learn the language faster than others, 339 00:31:28.921 --> 00:31:30.785 but it's a very complex language, 340 00:31:30.819 --> 00:31:33.546 and it has many onomatopoeic sounds, 341 00:31:33.581 --> 00:31:37.240 and sometimes the sound they make is even funny. 342 00:31:37.274 --> 00:31:42.245 They come and take the arrow and then 343 00:31:43.763 --> 00:31:48.803 so cachow means that the arrow really penetrated. 344 00:31:48.837 --> 00:31:50.909 It has all these sounds. 345 00:31:50.943 --> 00:31:54.567 I always say I'm going to die learning this language 346 00:31:54.602 --> 00:31:56.500 because there's a lot to learn. 347 00:31:57.881 --> 00:32:00.780 It's no use to look it up in the dictionary. 348 00:32:00.815 --> 00:32:04.267 You have to create your own dictionary. 349 00:32:04.301 --> 00:32:08.754 It is complicated. It's no use even going to Google. 350 00:32:08.788 --> 00:32:11.688 I type there, what is this? 351 00:32:11.722 --> 00:32:13.966 Google won't tell you anything 352 00:32:14.001 --> 00:32:17.280 because it's a language that hasn't been described 353 00:32:17.314 --> 00:32:19.040 ipsis litteris yet. 354 00:32:46.516 --> 00:32:47.344 Hello? 355 00:32:47.379 --> 00:32:49.139 Hello? 356 00:32:54.524 --> 00:32:55.352 Mm-hmm. 357 00:32:57.147 --> 00:32:58.045 Mm-hmm. 358 00:32:59.874 --> 00:33:00.806 Mm-hmm. 359 00:33:01.945 --> 00:33:02.739 Mm-hmm. 360 00:33:02.773 --> 00:33:07.226 Oh. 361 00:33:39.327 --> 00:33:40.501 It's beautiful. 362 00:33:40.535 --> 00:33:44.125 They say, "Wow, Curt, you speak Yanomami so well." 363 00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:45.299 It's not that I speak well, 364 00:33:45.333 --> 00:33:47.956 but the more you imitate, the closer you get to them. 365 00:33:47.991 --> 00:33:49.579 Even if you can't really speak the language, 366 00:33:49.613 --> 00:33:52.547 I try to imitate by making little jokes. 367 00:33:55.412 --> 00:33:57.794 They say, "Wow, this guy is one of ours." 368 00:33:57.828 --> 00:34:00.486 That's not true. I still have a lot to learn. 369 00:34:16.364 --> 00:34:17.952 Curt is so generous. 370 00:34:17.986 --> 00:34:21.059 Sometimes I tell him that he doesn't suit himself. 371 00:34:22.853 --> 00:34:26.305 I say, "But you don't suit yourself" 372 00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:29.239 because Curt is a very, 373 00:34:30.896 --> 00:34:33.657 let me see how I can define Curt. 374 00:34:33.692 --> 00:34:36.764 Curt is a very god-fearing man that doesn't have, 375 00:34:37.592 --> 00:34:39.422 I mean he's a very, 376 00:34:39.456 --> 00:34:42.114 he's a very intimate relationship with God. 377 00:34:42.149 --> 00:34:45.497 He prays a lot and I have to learn more of that from him. 378 00:34:46.429 --> 00:34:51.468 I am very much like I pray when I'm walking, 379 00:34:51.503 --> 00:34:55.300 when I'm driving, when I'm at work, I pray a lot like that, 380 00:34:55.334 --> 00:34:58.406 but he stops, prays until early morning. 381 00:34:58.441 --> 00:35:00.028 So before he goes to sleep 382 00:35:00.063 --> 00:35:02.686 he puts his two pillows on the floor and kneels. 383 00:35:02.721 --> 00:35:04.240 He is this man of prayer, 384 00:35:05.482 --> 00:35:09.037 this something that is a rule in his life, understand. 385 00:35:09.072 --> 00:35:11.178 I think that's what sustains him. 386 00:35:11.212 --> 00:35:14.250 So when I tell people that he doesn't suit himself, 387 00:35:14.284 --> 00:35:18.392 because he's very grumpy, but he doesn't mean it. 388 00:35:18.426 --> 00:35:23.431 He complains about everything, and I say, stop ba. 389 00:35:24.984 --> 00:35:26.676 He's a curmudgeon. 390 00:35:26.710 --> 00:35:30.093 He was born a curmudgeon, but he's very funny. 391 00:35:30.128 --> 00:35:31.508 He's very happy. 392 00:35:32.923 --> 00:35:35.029 That's why he doesn't suit himself, 393 00:35:35.063 --> 00:35:38.584 because he has this grumpy side, and I think that, 394 00:35:40.068 --> 00:35:44.038 I don't know why he just likes to be against everything, 395 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:48.732 but he's very happy, he is incredible, 396 00:35:48.767 --> 00:35:51.045 and his love for the Indigenous people too. 397 00:35:51.908 --> 00:35:56.361 He is very happy. He is very happy with his ministry. 398 00:35:56.395 --> 00:36:01.366 He is very happy with his family. He is a very happy guy. 399 00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:05.439 I think that he is a little too happy and silly sometimes, 400 00:36:05.473 --> 00:36:07.061 I'm much more serious. 401 00:36:07.095 --> 00:36:09.926 Curt ends up being very funny, and it's too much for me, 402 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:14.655 because I'm much more serious, but we get along very well. 403 00:36:14.689 --> 00:36:15.863 There's a balance. 404 00:36:19.625 --> 00:36:20.661 Hey. 405 00:37:19.306 --> 00:37:21.411 They have more knowledge than we do, 406 00:37:21.446 --> 00:37:25.760 and we only have more knowledge in areas like technology 407 00:37:25.795 --> 00:37:28.970 and medicine which they don't have access to, 408 00:37:29.005 --> 00:37:31.007 and if you were on your own 409 00:37:31.041 --> 00:37:34.079 you would die in a place like that. 410 00:37:34.113 --> 00:37:39.118 How did they survive all these years living the way they do? 411 00:37:46.988 --> 00:37:48.438 There is a similarity. 412 00:37:48.473 --> 00:37:51.614 Of course we overvalue technological knowledge, 413 00:37:53.201 --> 00:37:57.102 but if you stop to think about it, we can't even make a map. 414 00:37:58.414 --> 00:38:01.589 Your personal knowledge is based on the technology 415 00:38:01.624 --> 00:38:05.766 that came through college, companies, secrets, 416 00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:07.595 but if you go back to the basics, 417 00:38:07.630 --> 00:38:10.495 you don't know how to make fire, they do. 418 00:38:11.875 --> 00:38:16.190 You;re living in a society that has provided these things 419 00:38:16.224 --> 00:38:18.088 through centuries of trial and error. 420 00:38:19.366 --> 00:38:21.437 But if that all ended and you came back, 421 00:38:21.471 --> 00:38:23.301 how would you make fire? 422 00:38:50.535 --> 00:38:55.091 I had colleagues in the village who allowed me to study 423 00:38:55.125 --> 00:38:57.818 at least for a while, and I enjoyed it a lot, 424 00:38:57.852 --> 00:39:00.579 and I went out a lot, and I liked to do that. 425 00:39:03.306 --> 00:39:07.931 I did it with pleasure, and it was like this. 426 00:39:09.726 --> 00:39:12.350 Almost every Saturday, I went out. 427 00:39:13.316 --> 00:39:17.147 And by the time I went out I regretted it bitterly, 428 00:39:18.286 --> 00:39:21.048 because they go walking through the woods all day. 429 00:39:21.082 --> 00:39:22.808 Literally the whole day. 430 00:39:23.878 --> 00:39:26.294 I was in excellent physical shape, 431 00:39:26.329 --> 00:39:29.884 but when you start walking, you warm up. 432 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:33.992 You walk and walk and walk and you don't see anything. 433 00:39:34.924 --> 00:39:36.615 People think that going into the woods, 434 00:39:36.650 --> 00:39:38.790 it's like going to a supermarket. 435 00:39:38.824 --> 00:39:42.103 You pick something here, something else there, 436 00:39:42.138 --> 00:39:45.659 grab a banana, kill an animal, 437 00:39:45.693 --> 00:39:47.557 and go back home with the cart ready. 438 00:39:48.834 --> 00:39:51.043 Many times you don't see anything. 439 00:39:51.941 --> 00:39:53.908 The people get hungry for meat. 440 00:39:53.943 --> 00:39:55.323 They call it, 441 00:39:56.290 --> 00:39:58.844 which means to get hungry for meat. 442 00:39:58.879 --> 00:40:00.398 They didn't find game. 443 00:40:01.433 --> 00:40:04.574 I went out, sometimes when I went out 444 00:40:04.609 --> 00:40:06.369 they had found something. 445 00:40:06.404 --> 00:40:11.098 Someone had heard the noise of pigs or seen the footprints. 446 00:40:11.132 --> 00:40:13.859 We would go with more certainty, 447 00:40:13.894 --> 00:40:18.208 but I remember leaving early, by 6 am I would be walking. 448 00:40:18.243 --> 00:40:19.934 I would walk the whole day, 449 00:40:19.969 --> 00:40:22.627 and come home at the end of the day. 450 00:40:24.801 --> 00:40:26.458 That part was interesting, 451 00:40:26.493 --> 00:40:28.426 because when we stopped we would talk, 452 00:40:29.323 --> 00:40:31.670 and then I would learn the language. 453 00:40:31.705 --> 00:40:35.433 That part helped me a lot too in my relationship 454 00:40:35.467 --> 00:40:38.884 and the vocabulary for that kind of walks, hunting. 455 00:40:40.230 --> 00:40:44.545 To this day, we all know if I find a feather on the ground, 456 00:40:44.580 --> 00:40:47.237 I know from which bird it was. 457 00:40:47.272 --> 00:40:49.723 I can get one or another wrong, 458 00:40:49.757 --> 00:40:53.520 but I know a feather of a toucan, a macaw, 459 00:40:54.452 --> 00:40:56.039 a curassow, a jacu. 460 00:40:57.696 --> 00:40:59.318 You learn these things. 461 00:40:59.353 --> 00:41:02.494 What animal is singing, what bird you're seeing. 462 00:41:04.082 --> 00:41:06.636 Something very cool about learning their language 463 00:41:06.671 --> 00:41:11.434 is when you call an or locate the pigs, 464 00:41:11.469 --> 00:41:14.506 they listen to the noise the pig does. 465 00:41:16.301 --> 00:41:20.961 They heard it from far away, so they took it. 466 00:41:20.995 --> 00:41:24.309 Stopped, and they always took two types of arrows. 467 00:41:24.343 --> 00:41:28.658 An arrowhead for a large animal, which is like a knife, 468 00:41:28.693 --> 00:41:30.073 so you can have an idea, 469 00:41:30.108 --> 00:41:33.249 and an arrow for birds, which is quite different. 470 00:41:34.940 --> 00:41:37.115 They would leave the arrows for birds, 471 00:41:37.149 --> 00:41:39.773 and only take two or three tipped arrows, 472 00:41:39.807 --> 00:41:40.946 which is called roka. 473 00:41:43.570 --> 00:41:47.781 Think of a knife, only it was made of very strong bamboo, 474 00:41:49.610 --> 00:41:52.820 and then we could go on top of the pigs. 475 00:41:52.855 --> 00:41:56.168 Then it got crazy. There was a rush. 476 00:41:56.203 --> 00:41:57.791 They would kill several of them. 477 00:41:58.964 --> 00:42:04.004 It was far away. They would disappear. 478 00:42:04.176 --> 00:42:06.420 I would always stick with one of them 479 00:42:06.454 --> 00:42:08.871 and go after them with a shotgun, 480 00:42:08.905 --> 00:42:11.839 and usually kill one or two or even more. 481 00:42:13.289 --> 00:42:15.049 Then we stopped, 482 00:42:15.084 --> 00:42:17.845 and they went back to where the arrows were, 483 00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:19.847 where they had left things. 484 00:42:19.882 --> 00:42:23.610 I used to go crazy about it because it's all the same. 485 00:42:23.644 --> 00:42:25.128 You have no idea 486 00:42:26.198 --> 00:42:29.650 how they have such a sense of direction. 487 00:42:29.685 --> 00:42:32.653 It still amazes me to this day. 488 00:42:43.388 --> 00:42:46.011 These things seem so strange. 489 00:42:46.046 --> 00:42:51.016 You'll see that behind all that there's a common feeling, 490 00:42:51.189 --> 00:42:52.604 and that's very interesting. 491 00:42:53.881 --> 00:42:57.195 Look at it, any other culture today, 492 00:42:57.229 --> 00:43:01.751 no matter how non-Western or how different it may be, 493 00:43:01.786 --> 00:43:06.100 mm, you will see the same human characteristics 494 00:43:06.135 --> 00:43:07.481 that we all have. 495 00:43:07.515 --> 00:43:12.555 Love for children, scolding them. 496 00:43:13.176 --> 00:43:15.938 When you look at it, there is no difference, 497 00:43:15.972 --> 00:43:17.387 no difference at all. 498 00:43:18.492 --> 00:43:22.427 When you understand, you live together, and you admire, 499 00:43:25.361 --> 00:43:29.261 you really appreciate what is common to all of us. 500 00:43:29.296 --> 00:43:34.266 The joys, the pains, the abundance of food, 501 00:43:34.508 --> 00:43:38.512 a good hunt with a lot of pork, 502 00:43:38.546 --> 00:43:40.618 a lot of joy that this brings. 503 00:43:41.515 --> 00:43:45.346 The same thing if you go to a Rodesio steakhouse, 504 00:43:45.381 --> 00:43:46.900 it's just the same thing. 505 00:43:48.177 --> 00:43:49.592 You understand this part, 506 00:43:50.593 --> 00:43:53.527 and we already knew this from the beginning, 507 00:43:54.459 --> 00:43:56.910 but when you really process it, 508 00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:03.606 for example, I sometimes go to Cassia, 509 00:44:03.641 --> 00:44:07.127 a hospital unit there, and what does a guy feel? 510 00:44:08.197 --> 00:44:13.167 He misses home. He wants to go back, same thing. 511 00:44:13.547 --> 00:44:18.552 I remember I was talking to my brother-in-law Akobe, 512 00:44:19.933 --> 00:44:23.074 and I was already speaking the language well, 513 00:44:23.108 --> 00:44:25.283 and I was looking for word longing. 514 00:44:27.216 --> 00:44:29.736 We think that longing is something exclusive 515 00:44:29.770 --> 00:44:32.083 to the Portuguese language, 516 00:44:32.117 --> 00:44:37.191 or the Latin languages, especially Portuguese. 517 00:44:37.226 --> 00:44:39.642 It surely doesn't exist in English. 518 00:44:40.608 --> 00:44:43.577 You will say I miss you or something else, 519 00:44:43.611 --> 00:44:45.613 but the feeling is the same. 520 00:44:45.648 --> 00:44:49.825 It's not that we feel more because our word is better. 521 00:44:49.859 --> 00:44:52.275 I was talking to Akobe, 522 00:44:52.310 --> 00:44:56.072 I said I was looking for the word longing. 523 00:44:56.107 --> 00:44:57.902 "Let's see if they have it," I said. 524 00:44:59.869 --> 00:45:02.078 Sometimes you think of when you were little, 525 00:45:02.113 --> 00:45:03.390 what your father was like. 526 00:45:05.185 --> 00:45:09.534 I was saying a lot of things, trying to find that word. 527 00:45:09.568 --> 00:45:12.606 He listened and turned to me and said the following, 528 00:45:12.640 --> 00:45:16.023 "Funny white people feel that too." 529 00:45:16.058 --> 00:45:18.232 I couldn't find the word, 530 00:45:18.267 --> 00:45:20.994 but he said the same thing I was looking for. 531 00:45:21.028 --> 00:45:24.825 He was astonished. And you also think like that. 532 00:45:25.688 --> 00:45:27.966 We use the word saudade, 533 00:45:28.001 --> 00:45:33.006 and saudade really is a spectacular word in our language. 534 00:45:33.040 --> 00:45:36.872 Joy, sadness, feelings, 535 00:45:36.906 --> 00:45:39.219 and many things common to all peoples. 536 00:45:43.050 --> 00:45:44.845 This is difficult to teach, 537 00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:48.193 or for a surrounding society to understand, 538 00:45:48.228 --> 00:45:50.057 because there's always this idea. 539 00:45:51.507 --> 00:45:56.029 No, he is an Indian. He doesn't understand or know anything. 540 00:45:56.063 --> 00:45:58.756 He doesn't have anything. He's worthless. 541 00:46:00.792 --> 00:46:03.519 That is a very bad understanding. 542 00:46:03.553 --> 00:46:07.247 There are still many here in Boa Vista who think like that. 543 00:46:07.281 --> 00:46:10.077 They say, "They're just occupying land," 544 00:46:10.112 --> 00:46:11.665 and then there's the political line 545 00:46:11.699 --> 00:46:13.874 that I won't even talk about. 546 00:46:13.909 --> 00:46:16.428 There's gold digger invasions. 547 00:46:16.463 --> 00:46:19.466 It's a horror what has been happening today. 548 00:46:29.062 --> 00:46:32.859 We continued for two more days without major incidents, 549 00:46:32.893 --> 00:46:37.829 but we were scared because the rapids didn't end. 550 00:46:40.211 --> 00:46:45.181 We were going up, I reckon maybe 62 miles of just river. 551 00:46:46.838 --> 00:46:48.598 What was the problem? 552 00:46:48.633 --> 00:46:53.017 You passed a rapid, sailed maybe five, 10 minutes. 553 00:46:53.051 --> 00:46:54.777 Then you saw water in front of you, 554 00:46:55.813 --> 00:46:58.298 and it was a big discouragement. 555 00:46:58.332 --> 00:47:01.473 You'd get there, see if you could pass. 556 00:47:01.508 --> 00:47:06.168 If not, we'd unload the boat, pass everything by the side, 557 00:47:06.202 --> 00:47:08.549 taking the boat out and continuing. 558 00:47:26.740 --> 00:47:28.431 As we climbed operating that vine, 559 00:47:28.466 --> 00:47:31.296 the boat docked and started to return. 560 00:47:37.302 --> 00:47:41.306 It came back and got a good hold of that thick vine, 561 00:47:41.341 --> 00:47:43.861 and it turned over with the force of the water. 562 00:47:45.241 --> 00:47:48.866 And it turned over, and everything that was in the boat 563 00:47:48.900 --> 00:47:50.971 went down, including us. 564 00:47:51.006 --> 00:47:53.698 And Milton just said to the Indians, 565 00:47:53.732 --> 00:47:55.734 "Take the machete and jump." 566 00:47:55.769 --> 00:47:56.977 One of them grabbed the machete 567 00:47:57.012 --> 00:47:58.772 and they jumped onto the bank. 568 00:48:00.153 --> 00:48:03.639 I saw Miltino down river going down among the other things 569 00:48:03.673 --> 00:48:05.054 that were floating, 570 00:48:05.952 --> 00:48:09.403 other things had already gone to the bottom of the river, 571 00:48:09.438 --> 00:48:13.442 the boat capsized, and then began to descend. 572 00:48:13.476 --> 00:48:15.893 I also threw myself into the water and went down. 573 00:48:16.894 --> 00:48:20.759 In the middle of things, we went deep down, 574 00:48:20.794 --> 00:48:23.314 the Indians then stayed on top 575 00:48:23.348 --> 00:48:25.316 and went straight to the bank. 576 00:48:36.085 --> 00:48:39.364 When the boat capsized, I entered the water 577 00:48:39.399 --> 00:48:41.504 and I was pulled right into the current, 578 00:48:45.336 --> 00:48:47.234 and got out into a whirlpool. 579 00:48:48.132 --> 00:48:50.755 The only thing I had time to grab, 580 00:48:50.789 --> 00:48:54.069 which is what was within reach, were two oars. 581 00:48:54.103 --> 00:48:55.898 I sank with these oars 582 00:48:55.933 --> 00:48:58.590 because I got into a whirlpool of water. 583 00:48:58.625 --> 00:49:01.628 It pulled me down with the two oars, 584 00:49:01.662 --> 00:49:03.423 and they were cedar oars. 585 00:49:03.457 --> 00:49:06.460 They float, they give you a certain buoyancy. 586 00:49:11.017 --> 00:49:15.262 I sank and I went very deep. Everything went dark. 587 00:49:15.297 --> 00:49:19.232 I just remember the darkness, my ear hurting. 588 00:49:19.266 --> 00:49:23.236 I don't know how deep I was, and I was going down. 589 00:49:23.270 --> 00:49:27.343 I can swim. I was in good physical shape. 590 00:49:27.378 --> 00:49:30.968 Despite being tired, but there was nothing I could do. 591 00:49:34.109 --> 00:49:37.353 Then begins the first direct intervention of God 592 00:49:37.388 --> 00:49:39.769 because I said a prayer. 593 00:49:39.804 --> 00:49:43.325 In fact, it was a cry. God saved me. 594 00:49:44.429 --> 00:49:47.191 Immediately I went up 595 00:49:47.225 --> 00:49:50.918 as if the whirlpool started to do the opposite. 596 00:49:50.953 --> 00:49:54.094 Instead of pulling me to the surface of the water, 597 00:49:54.129 --> 00:49:55.302 I was floating. 598 00:49:58.167 --> 00:50:01.653 I saw Curt way down on top of the boat, 599 00:50:01.688 --> 00:50:05.174 and I swam toward Curt, but everything has sunk. 600 00:50:08.729 --> 00:50:11.456 We could see the boxes floating away. 601 00:50:11.491 --> 00:50:15.771 We had wooden boxes with food, with matches, with a stove, 602 00:50:16.875 --> 00:50:19.395 with everything we needed, and it was sinking. 603 00:50:28.646 --> 00:50:33.133 It's not scary drowning, 604 00:50:35.929 --> 00:50:39.898 it's a very bad feeling, which is what was happening to me. 605 00:50:39.933 --> 00:50:43.385 When I said this prayer, in fact, it was a cry, 606 00:50:43.419 --> 00:50:46.284 a cry for help and I went up. 607 00:50:46.319 --> 00:50:50.564 The time I went up, the feeling was not just of relief, 608 00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:53.498 it was having gone through a trauma there. 609 00:50:53.533 --> 00:50:54.948 The time that I sank, 610 00:51:03.267 --> 00:51:06.063 it was more of a physical reaction 611 00:51:06.097 --> 00:51:08.824 than an emotional one of fear. 612 00:51:08.858 --> 00:51:11.137 Now we are really lost. 613 00:51:11.171 --> 00:51:15.486 Now our situation is going to be very serious, 614 00:51:15.520 --> 00:51:18.005 but you just keep doing something. 615 00:51:18.040 --> 00:51:22.044 We put the boat on the bank and sat down for a while, 616 00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:26.290 looked at the whole situation, and it was very serious 617 00:51:26.324 --> 00:51:30.328 because of our two traveling companions stayed far up river, 618 00:51:31.985 --> 00:51:34.194 and we put the boat there, and we went up 619 00:51:34.229 --> 00:51:37.197 to try and find them, but we couldn't, 620 00:51:37.232 --> 00:51:41.408 because there were so many branches and so many islands 621 00:51:41.443 --> 00:51:43.755 that we could not move on to the next island, 622 00:51:43.790 --> 00:51:45.550 and they couldn't get down either. 623 00:51:46.413 --> 00:51:50.383 And we stayed far away thinking about that mile, 624 00:51:50.417 --> 00:51:52.523 and that's conservative. 625 00:51:52.557 --> 00:51:56.803 They tried to find us and we tried to find them. 626 00:52:45.127 --> 00:52:46.922 The boat was really crumpled. 627 00:52:46.956 --> 00:52:49.235 It looked like a U, 628 00:52:49.269 --> 00:52:52.169 you couldn't even see it was a boat anymore. 629 00:52:52.203 --> 00:52:55.310 When we turned around, the engine was still attached, 630 00:52:55.344 --> 00:52:57.657 and it still had the gas tank. 631 00:52:57.691 --> 00:53:00.349 The tank was still attached to the hose, 632 00:53:00.384 --> 00:53:02.075 so it was all providential 633 00:53:02.109 --> 00:53:05.043 so that we wouldn't be left with nothing. 634 00:53:05.078 --> 00:53:07.667 There was no alternative but to stay there, 635 00:53:07.701 --> 00:53:11.326 there was nowhere to go and we were very tired, 636 00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:14.052 exhausted from that rapid we went through. 637 00:53:17.055 --> 00:53:19.575 We had no choice. We had to stay there. 638 00:53:19.610 --> 00:53:22.095 There was nowhere to go. 639 00:53:28.964 --> 00:53:31.346 We had to fix the few things we had. 640 00:53:31.380 --> 00:53:34.556 Opened the bag I had, opened everything. 641 00:53:34.590 --> 00:53:35.764 Some things were wet. 642 00:53:36.903 --> 00:53:38.491 Then I did a silly thing 643 00:53:38.525 --> 00:53:40.872 and put these clothes on top of a rock, 644 00:53:40.907 --> 00:53:42.978 on the edge of the river to dry, 645 00:53:43.012 --> 00:53:45.705 but during the night the river rose so much 646 00:53:46.706 --> 00:53:49.674 that in the next day there weren't any clothes left, 647 00:53:49.709 --> 00:53:51.538 everything was gone. 648 00:53:51.573 --> 00:53:53.402 The little things I had were gone. 649 00:53:54.265 --> 00:53:56.371 Everything starts to come into your mind. 650 00:53:56.405 --> 00:53:58.407 What now? What's going to happen? 651 00:54:06.346 --> 00:54:08.624 Those thoughts are always, ah, there. 652 00:54:16.356 --> 00:54:19.083 Our family members, what will they think? 653 00:54:19.117 --> 00:54:21.327 How long are we going to be here? 654 00:54:22.466 --> 00:54:24.157 Will we ever get out of here? 655 00:54:24.191 --> 00:54:26.435 What is God trying to teach us with this? 656 00:54:31.026 --> 00:54:33.477 Miltino thought about death. 657 00:54:33.511 --> 00:54:35.893 He was very worried about how his funeral would be 658 00:54:35.927 --> 00:54:36.894 with no body. 659 00:54:37.757 --> 00:54:39.172 I said, "Miltino, forget about it. 660 00:54:39.206 --> 00:54:40.967 There's a chance we might die." 661 00:54:41.001 --> 00:54:43.625 It's a possibility, but I kept thinking, 662 00:54:43.659 --> 00:54:48.699 what is God's purpose in taking our lives in that context? 663 00:55:04.680 --> 00:55:09.478 What now? No food, no material for survival. 664 00:55:09.513 --> 00:55:13.344 Machete, if we had a machete 665 00:55:13.379 --> 00:55:16.105 we could cut hearts of palm to eat. 666 00:55:16.140 --> 00:55:17.728 We looked for something to eat, 667 00:55:17.762 --> 00:55:22.008 but the jungle was just really scarce. 668 00:55:22.042 --> 00:55:25.736 It wasn't fruit season either. There was nothing. 669 00:55:25.770 --> 00:55:27.634 We looked for some root. 670 00:55:27.669 --> 00:55:30.879 There was nothing, so we could only drink water. 671 00:55:32.915 --> 00:55:36.194 Whenever we got hungry, we filled our bellies with water, 672 00:55:36.229 --> 00:55:39.853 but it didn't kill our hunger, it just alleviated hunger. 673 00:55:47.413 --> 00:55:50.174 We spent three days in this routine. 674 00:55:50.208 --> 00:55:51.727 We started to get really weak, 675 00:55:53.246 --> 00:55:55.041 and I heard a noise in the woods. 676 00:55:55.075 --> 00:55:59.977 Chop, chop, chop. When I looked, I saw an alligator. 677 00:56:01.081 --> 00:56:02.945 It was this big. 678 00:56:02.980 --> 00:56:06.328 I said to Miltino, "Miltino, an alligator. 679 00:56:06.363 --> 00:56:08.744 Let's catch this alligator and eat it." 680 00:56:10.125 --> 00:56:12.334 And then he said, "Okay." 681 00:56:12.369 --> 00:56:14.854 I said, "I'll take the front and you take the back. 682 00:56:14.888 --> 00:56:17.788 You grab a stick, and I'll take the front." 683 00:56:17.822 --> 00:56:19.755 I said, "I'll take the front and you take the back, 684 00:56:19.790 --> 00:56:21.239 and you grab a stick and I'll take the front, 685 00:56:21.274 --> 00:56:23.794 and we'll mess with it to distract it." 686 00:56:23.828 --> 00:56:27.660 No sooner said than done, bap, hit him hard. 687 00:56:27.694 --> 00:56:30.007 Sure enough, that's what happened. 688 00:56:30.041 --> 00:56:33.631 I took the front, very slowly feeling my way, 689 00:56:33.666 --> 00:56:35.564 and he took the back. 690 00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:38.533 The alligator stayed by my side looking at me. 691 00:56:39.844 --> 00:56:43.469 Then it raised its little head like this and did. 692 00:56:43.503 --> 00:56:44.746 When he did this, 693 00:56:44.780 --> 00:56:46.023 Miltino came from behind and hit it. 694 00:56:46.057 --> 00:56:50.579 Bop, we killed it with a stick. Then came the problem. 695 00:56:50.614 --> 00:56:53.444 There was no fire, no knife. 696 00:56:53.479 --> 00:56:56.033 How do you open a hard skin like that? 697 00:56:56.067 --> 00:56:58.104 I just remember that we grabbed its tail 698 00:56:58.138 --> 00:57:01.038 because the tail is all full of stuff. 699 00:57:01.072 --> 00:57:02.729 We break off that little piece. 700 00:57:02.764 --> 00:57:05.422 Then we would have a few pieces of meat. 701 00:57:05.456 --> 00:57:10.530 We took it and ate it. We couldn't kill the hunger. 702 00:57:10.565 --> 00:57:12.912 We ended up not being able to use the alligator 703 00:57:12.946 --> 00:57:15.328 to satisfy our hunger. 704 00:57:24.371 --> 00:57:26.788 We knew that death was one of the possibilities, 705 00:57:26.822 --> 00:57:31.758 because what were you gonna do in the middle of the jungle 706 00:57:31.793 --> 00:57:36.729 with nothing, without fire, without a machete, 707 00:57:38.420 --> 00:57:42.355 without being able to do anything to survive. 708 00:57:42.389 --> 00:57:45.738 We had nothing. It really was a chaotic situation. 709 00:58:09.589 --> 00:58:11.971 And we were facing death, 710 00:58:12.005 --> 00:58:14.939 because we said, humanly speaking, 711 00:58:14.974 --> 00:58:17.183 there is no way out of here. 712 00:58:17.217 --> 00:58:21.808 How are we going to get out of here now, broken boat, 713 00:58:21.843 --> 00:58:25.881 I don't know if it will be, if it will work again, no food. 714 00:58:25.916 --> 00:58:28.228 It's a matter of time, I think, for us to die. 715 00:58:36.409 --> 00:58:39.274 Our salvation is still that we have the boat, 716 00:58:39.308 --> 00:58:41.069 the broken boat. 717 00:58:41.103 --> 00:58:43.002 The engine is still there. 718 00:58:43.036 --> 00:58:45.383 There is some fuel left in the tank, 719 00:58:45.418 --> 00:58:47.869 and the best thing to do is to dig into it 720 00:58:47.903 --> 00:58:50.423 and try to find a way to get it working again, 721 00:58:51.286 --> 00:58:54.979 but then comes Miltino and says, "it's no use. 722 00:58:55.014 --> 00:58:56.429 There are no tools." 723 00:58:57.430 --> 00:59:00.019 I've never seen Miltino like that, 724 00:59:00.053 --> 00:59:03.056 so close in these difficult times, 725 00:59:03.091 --> 00:59:07.440 because Miltino was a very relaxed guy, nice to talk to, 726 00:59:07.474 --> 00:59:11.133 but when the difficulties came, he just got depressed. 727 00:59:30.463 --> 00:59:31.498 You start making an assessment 728 00:59:31.533 --> 00:59:34.674 of your own life in relation to who you really are, 729 00:59:34.709 --> 00:59:38.989 your arrogance in Aike, on that very trip 730 00:59:39.023 --> 00:59:42.061 of 10 years of experience living in the jungle, 731 00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:47.480 everything that had gone down the drain, 732 00:59:47.514 --> 00:59:49.378 and there was nothing left. 733 00:59:54.763 --> 00:59:58.664 You start thinking about many of your own mistakes too. 734 01:00:01.943 --> 01:00:06.913 It's hard to explain it, but it's a suffering situation 735 01:00:08.363 --> 01:00:11.228 and you make new resolutions. 736 01:00:21.341 --> 01:00:24.621 That came from this experience of human fragility 737 01:00:25.622 --> 01:00:30.419 in relation to life, emotions, feelings. 738 01:00:33.768 --> 01:00:37.495 I've always been a person who has a high pain threshold. 739 01:00:38.462 --> 01:00:41.776 I always thought about how I would react 740 01:00:41.810 --> 01:00:43.640 in a situation like that. 741 01:00:44.848 --> 01:00:47.229 I learned a lot from that experience, 742 01:00:47.264 --> 01:00:50.267 and it has been with me since that time. 743 01:00:50.301 --> 01:00:55.237 I may be in a situation right now of great acknowledgement, 744 01:00:57.136 --> 01:01:00.587 you know, some things like that have happened occasionally, 745 01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:06.490 but I say remember, remember who you really are 746 01:01:06.801 --> 01:01:11.288 that was in those days of suffering. 747 01:01:13.566 --> 01:01:16.742 A kind of depression. You won't get out of here. 748 01:01:16.776 --> 01:01:18.502 It is even in Curt's way. 749 01:01:47.669 --> 01:01:48.774 The jungle, 750 01:01:48.808 --> 01:01:52.778 especially the Amazon jungle, for me is impressive. 751 01:01:56.505 --> 01:01:59.163 It is exuberant. It is fascinating. 752 01:01:59.198 --> 01:02:01.062 It opens your eyes 753 01:02:01.096 --> 01:02:05.066 because it is such an immense thing, so diverse. 754 01:02:06.136 --> 01:02:10.036 There are trees of all types, size and color 755 01:02:10.071 --> 01:02:12.936 with those vines and whatever. 756 01:02:16.180 --> 01:02:19.114 You say, "Wow, what a beautiful thing." 757 01:02:19.149 --> 01:02:22.635 It has a big impact, but apart from being 758 01:02:22.669 --> 01:02:26.743 such a beautiful, exuberant, and fantastic place, 759 01:02:26.777 --> 01:02:29.435 it's a place that scares you. 760 01:02:29.469 --> 01:02:32.265 It gives you a certain fear, a dread, 761 01:02:32.300 --> 01:02:35.890 because this very jungle can also swallow you up, 762 01:02:37.512 --> 01:02:41.171 and it's not just the large animals like jaguars 763 01:02:41.205 --> 01:02:45.140 and other animals, but let's say mosquitoes, 764 01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:51.975 ants, termites, snakes, 765 01:02:53.183 --> 01:02:55.633 these smaller insects, they can crush you. 766 01:02:57.118 --> 01:02:59.361 It can make you fall into such a depression 767 01:02:59.396 --> 01:03:01.950 and you can even die because of small insects, 768 01:03:01.985 --> 01:03:04.988 and if you don't know how to get out of that context, 769 01:03:06.403 --> 01:03:10.545 the jungle will, you know, swallow you alive. 770 01:03:19.830 --> 01:03:22.246 For the Indigenous people, it's easy. 771 01:03:22.281 --> 01:03:24.766 The jungle is their home. 772 01:03:24.801 --> 01:03:26.630 If you are with an Indigenous person, 773 01:03:26.664 --> 01:03:28.805 you are at home with him. 774 01:03:28.839 --> 01:03:31.117 He takes a leaf, then he weaves it, 775 01:03:31.152 --> 01:03:33.464 and makes something to carry things. 776 01:03:33.499 --> 01:03:35.708 He goes there, takes the vine, 777 01:03:35.742 --> 01:03:37.779 does something for this or that, 778 01:03:37.814 --> 01:03:41.093 rips off some bark from the trees and makes a net. 779 01:03:42.922 --> 01:03:46.132 For him, it's the backyard of his house, 780 01:03:46.167 --> 01:03:49.929 but if you leave the trail for a little bit, you get lost. 781 01:03:49.964 --> 01:03:52.725 You look everywhere, everything is the same. 782 01:03:52.759 --> 01:03:55.107 Everything is green. 783 01:03:55.141 --> 01:03:57.799 You only see the woods, the trees, 784 01:03:57.834 --> 01:03:59.905 and you get lost without realizing, 785 01:03:59.939 --> 01:04:01.803 and there's nowhere to run. 786 01:04:12.779 --> 01:04:16.300 I sat down with Miltino, we talked and I said, 787 01:04:16.335 --> 01:04:19.372 "Miltino, do I think there's a chance we might die?" 788 01:04:19.407 --> 01:04:23.031 "Yes, it's one of those possibilities, 789 01:04:23.066 --> 01:04:26.207 but I believe that God has a purpose for our lives, 790 01:04:26.241 --> 01:04:31.212 and one of the purposes is for him to work in our lives. 791 01:04:32.523 --> 01:04:33.939 Let's stop here. 792 01:04:33.973 --> 01:04:36.044 Let's sit down and talk 793 01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:38.529 and let's clear everything up with God. 794 01:04:39.668 --> 01:04:43.120 There are many things here that we do determinedly, 795 01:04:43.155 --> 01:04:45.398 and God is completely out of the picture." 796 01:04:46.296 --> 01:04:47.124 That's it. 797 01:04:52.095 --> 01:04:54.821 We're living on the sidelines with no purpose. 798 01:04:54.856 --> 01:04:58.308 We're doing things in the name of the gospel of Jesus. 799 01:04:58.342 --> 01:05:03.244 But Jesus is out of our routine here of our day-to-day. 800 01:05:03.278 --> 01:05:05.902 It is God trying to teach us how to rely on him. 801 01:05:06.937 --> 01:05:09.629 We were doing things just for the sake of it 802 01:05:09.664 --> 01:05:12.494 with God out of the way thinking we were the ones. 803 01:05:12.529 --> 01:05:14.220 Let's confess our sins. 804 01:05:24.851 --> 01:05:27.095 With regard to our colleagues at the Post 805 01:05:27.130 --> 01:05:30.961 and everything that we did, the steps we took too. 806 01:05:30.996 --> 01:05:35.483 Let's ask for forgiveness. What else can we do? 807 01:05:35.517 --> 01:05:37.934 We were like, let me see, 808 01:05:39.004 --> 01:05:40.660 if I can remember anything else 809 01:05:40.695 --> 01:05:42.386 that I have to get right with God 810 01:05:42.421 --> 01:05:45.113 because I acknowledge that I am living a life 811 01:05:45.148 --> 01:05:49.980 relying more on myself than on God, and there it was. 812 01:05:51.878 --> 01:05:56.090 We confessed our sins. We looked at each other's faces. 813 01:05:56.124 --> 01:06:01.060 We seemed to see a little halo, and we felt so holy. 814 01:06:01.992 --> 01:06:05.892 Lord, if you want to take me now, I'm at peace, 815 01:06:05.927 --> 01:06:09.310 and you know, there it was, we confessed our sins, 816 01:06:09.344 --> 01:06:11.381 and we looked at each other's faces. 817 01:06:11.415 --> 01:06:15.212 We seemed to see a little halo and we felt so holy, 818 01:06:15.247 --> 01:06:19.630 Lord, if you want to take me now, I'm at peace. 819 01:06:19.665 --> 01:06:21.943 I've already confessed everything. 820 01:06:21.978 --> 01:06:24.808 I've already acknowledged that I'm no good, 821 01:06:24.842 --> 01:06:28.260 that I do everything putting you aside, 822 01:06:30.745 --> 01:06:33.575 so if I have a chance to get out of here, 823 01:06:34.749 --> 01:06:36.716 I'll start to straighten up more 824 01:06:36.751 --> 01:06:38.822 and put you in charge of my life. 825 01:06:40.306 --> 01:06:44.828 You have to take the lead and I will just follow. 826 01:07:02.846 --> 01:07:05.952 Our strengths, what we are are nothing. 827 01:07:07.161 --> 01:07:11.510 When you face some situations, mm, you see strengths, 828 01:07:11.544 --> 01:07:13.581 weaknesses, and you realize 829 01:07:13.615 --> 01:07:15.893 what I always insist on, humanity. 830 01:07:31.012 --> 01:07:32.807 Prayer is a two-way street. 831 01:07:33.773 --> 01:07:38.744 You speak, you ask, and you talk, and God listens. 832 01:07:39.331 --> 01:07:42.610 And God answers as he sees fit. 833 01:07:42.644 --> 01:07:46.131 If you only look at your side and you forget about grace 834 01:07:46.165 --> 01:07:51.032 and that God is listening to you, that he is your father, 835 01:07:52.758 --> 01:07:55.001 you get into this problem 836 01:07:55.036 --> 01:07:59.144 because it doesn't only depend on your faith. 837 01:08:01.007 --> 01:08:02.802 That was what was happening. 838 01:08:02.837 --> 01:08:07.117 Deep down I was like, I don't deserve to be saved. 839 01:08:08.981 --> 01:08:13.641 I know so much. I practice so little. 840 01:08:14.952 --> 01:08:18.163 I felt insufficient, incapable, 841 01:08:18.197 --> 01:08:23.168 and that I deserved to be in that situation of, 842 01:08:25.963 --> 01:08:29.795 when you pray, you say, oh my goodness, 843 01:08:31.693 --> 01:08:34.351 I can't even ask you to do something like that 844 01:08:34.386 --> 01:08:38.044 because that's what I mean. 845 01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:41.462 You look at yourself and you forget to look at God. 846 01:08:42.808 --> 01:08:45.051 It's like a son that goes to his father 847 01:08:45.086 --> 01:08:48.986 and says, "Dad, I know you're not going to do this 848 01:08:49.021 --> 01:08:52.611 because I did this, I did that, I did the other thing. 849 01:08:52.645 --> 01:08:56.408 I disobeyed, but can you buy me a?" 850 01:08:58.099 --> 01:09:00.446 Then he asks for what he wants. 851 01:09:00.481 --> 01:09:04.416 That was the feeling, but we prayed anyway. 852 01:09:04.450 --> 01:09:06.314 When we were pulling the engine cord, 853 01:09:06.349 --> 01:09:11.285 the prayer was specific, "God, let this engine start." 854 01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:13.597 We would even say the model of the engine. 855 01:09:19.534 --> 01:09:23.573 It was a prayer that we showed our total reliance on God 856 01:09:23.607 --> 01:09:25.506 like all prayers, 857 01:09:25.540 --> 01:09:29.061 and we believed there's going to be an answer, 858 01:09:29.095 --> 01:09:30.925 something spiritual. 859 01:09:30.959 --> 01:09:35.930 No, God will do it. God will look after me like he promised. 860 01:09:36.206 --> 01:09:37.345 That part was out. 861 01:09:38.277 --> 01:09:40.348 This part is very important 862 01:09:40.383 --> 01:09:43.800 because we pray based on the promises. 863 01:09:43.834 --> 01:09:47.010 "Whenever you ask in my name, knock, 864 01:09:47.044 --> 01:09:49.046 and it will be open to you. 865 01:09:49.081 --> 01:09:51.808 Seek and you will find 866 01:09:51.842 --> 01:09:56.847 whatever you ask in my name according to my will." 867 01:09:56.882 --> 01:10:00.299 That was the imbalance in that situation. 868 01:10:00.334 --> 01:10:02.474 You look at yourself and if you say, 869 01:10:02.508 --> 01:10:05.753 "God will listen to me because I am," 870 01:10:05.787 --> 01:10:08.514 and then you complete it with adjectives, 871 01:10:08.549 --> 01:10:10.585 you won't find many. 872 01:10:10.620 --> 01:10:14.831 I am such an excellent person. I am selfless, I pray a lot. 873 01:10:14.865 --> 01:10:18.421 I evangelize. I do this, I do that. 874 01:10:18.455 --> 01:10:21.424 You won't find anything that meets the standards. 875 01:10:21.458 --> 01:10:26.291 It's even silly to say this. I pray a lot, I evangelize. 876 01:10:26.325 --> 01:10:28.293 I do this, I do that, 877 01:10:28.327 --> 01:10:31.572 but the Bible says, "Pray without ceasing." 878 01:10:34.091 --> 01:10:35.955 How much do we pray? 879 01:10:35.990 --> 01:10:39.925 If it says pray without ceasing, I'm out of line. 880 01:11:13.027 --> 01:11:14.925 For me, it was like this. 881 01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:18.757 Our salvation was in the boat and the outboard motor. 882 01:11:18.791 --> 01:11:21.760 Even though it was all filled with water and et cetera. 883 01:11:24.107 --> 01:11:26.523 There weren't any tools left 884 01:11:26.558 --> 01:11:31.528 so we couldn't open the engine, like we couldn't. 885 01:11:34.566 --> 01:11:37.189 We couldn't even pull the engine rope 886 01:11:37.223 --> 01:11:42.194 because there was water inside, in the carburetor, 887 01:11:45.404 --> 01:11:48.062 the internal part, the spark plugs. 888 01:11:50.167 --> 01:11:52.204 Everything was filled with water. 889 01:11:53.412 --> 01:11:55.621 When we tried to pull the rope, it didn't move. 890 01:11:55.656 --> 01:11:56.760 It was stuck. 891 01:12:01.144 --> 01:12:03.319 When I left the outboard all night with it upside down 892 01:12:03.353 --> 01:12:04.975 trying to get the water out, 893 01:12:05.010 --> 01:12:08.254 the next day when I pulled the rope, 894 01:12:08.289 --> 01:12:10.705 I realized the rope was free. 895 01:12:11.430 --> 01:12:12.569 I pulled it. 896 01:12:12.604 --> 01:12:17.574 The rope came out, so just water coming out everywhere. 897 01:12:18.541 --> 01:12:20.646 When I pulled it, the thing would go 898 01:12:20.681 --> 01:12:24.098 . 899 01:12:24.132 --> 01:12:26.687 I told Miltino, "The rope is free." 900 01:12:27.653 --> 01:12:31.174 He kept saying, "Yeah, but it's no use. 901 01:12:31.208 --> 01:12:33.590 It's full of water in there." 902 01:12:33.625 --> 01:12:36.766 "Stay on the hammock and I'll work there. 903 01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:39.078 I'll see what I can do with the engine." 904 01:12:39.113 --> 01:12:43.773 "Nah, there's no point." I would go back there. 905 01:12:43.807 --> 01:12:45.568 Then I would come up with ideas. 906 01:12:46.569 --> 01:12:48.329 I took that part of the outboard motor 907 01:12:48.364 --> 01:12:51.815 that regulates the height and went to Miltino. 908 01:12:51.850 --> 01:12:55.301 I said, "Miltino, look here. 909 01:12:55.336 --> 01:12:57.925 This here could be a key that we can use 910 01:12:57.959 --> 01:13:00.306 to remove the spark plugs. 911 01:13:00.341 --> 01:13:03.482 Let's try to bend it. I don't know how. 912 01:13:03.517 --> 01:13:06.002 Let's see here, let's take the spark plug, 913 01:13:06.036 --> 01:13:07.831 open it and that's it." 914 01:13:08.936 --> 01:13:11.007 We've got the engine almost dry 915 01:13:11.041 --> 01:13:13.941 releasing the water that's inside the spark plugs. 916 01:13:13.975 --> 01:13:18.842 He would pick it up. "Hmm. This is not gonna work." 917 01:13:18.877 --> 01:13:21.017 That made me angry. 918 01:13:21.051 --> 01:13:23.088 I'm not gonna ask the guy for his opinion anymore 919 01:13:23.122 --> 01:13:25.884 because he's unbelievable. 920 01:13:31.821 --> 01:13:34.064 I put the engine back in, then I started pulling. 921 01:13:34.099 --> 01:13:38.793 Vroom, vroom, vroom, nothing happened. 922 01:13:38.828 --> 01:13:40.830 I said, "Miltino, you could you pull it?" 923 01:13:40.864 --> 01:13:42.348 He said, "It's no use. 924 01:13:42.383 --> 01:13:45.213 There's water inside the spark plugs." 925 01:13:45.248 --> 01:13:48.285 I said, "Okay, but let's pull it here." 926 01:13:48.320 --> 01:13:50.495 He said, "Eh, it won't work." 927 01:13:50.529 --> 01:13:52.807 I said, "Miltino, stay on the hammock, pray, 928 01:13:52.842 --> 01:13:56.397 and I'll work here, okay, okay." 929 01:13:57.536 --> 01:13:58.364 And so we did. 930 01:13:59.296 --> 01:14:03.473 He prayed while I was working, and I kept pulling. 931 01:14:06.269 --> 01:14:08.823 And I pumped gasoline to fill it in. 932 01:14:08.858 --> 01:14:13.345 Then suddenly when I pulled it out, it did this boom. 933 01:14:14.795 --> 01:14:16.900 When Miltino saw what happened, 934 01:14:16.935 --> 01:14:20.007 he jumped from the hammock very happy. 935 01:14:20.041 --> 01:14:21.698 "Man, did you see that?" 936 01:14:21.733 --> 01:14:25.150 I said, "Of course I saw it. It worked, right? 937 01:14:25.184 --> 01:14:28.809 Now you'll come, right?" We were so exhausted. 938 01:14:31.536 --> 01:14:34.642 Now it worked. Okay, done. 939 01:14:44.894 --> 01:14:48.104 All of a sudden the engine goes, hmm, 940 01:14:48.138 --> 01:14:53.143 and it dies again, but it was a miracle. 941 01:14:53.385 --> 01:14:57.700 It was great to see the engine starting up again. 942 01:14:57.734 --> 01:15:02.636 Then we were in a new phase, 943 01:15:02.670 --> 01:15:06.432 with the possibility of the engine working again. 944 01:16:00.452 --> 01:16:01.453 The Araguaia River 945 01:16:01.487 --> 01:16:03.766 is a relatively large river, 946 01:16:03.800 --> 01:16:07.804 so it wouldn't be very difficult to find a boat 947 01:16:07.839 --> 01:16:10.531 on most of the Araguaia river, 948 01:16:10.566 --> 01:16:13.845 but they had the accident in a region 949 01:16:13.879 --> 01:16:17.469 where it splits into many, many branches, 950 01:16:17.503 --> 01:16:19.195 hundreds of branches, 951 01:16:19.229 --> 01:16:24.200 and there's this huge amount of islands and branches, 952 01:16:24.890 --> 01:16:29.377 so that would make it extremely difficult to find a person. 953 01:16:29.412 --> 01:16:31.863 The region they stayed after the accident 954 01:16:31.897 --> 01:16:35.349 where they had the boat and the engine and where they camped 955 01:16:35.383 --> 01:16:38.386 until they managed to get the engine working 956 01:16:38.421 --> 01:16:41.182 was a place where they would hardly be seen 957 01:16:41.217 --> 01:16:42.563 by someone on a plane. 958 01:16:44.703 --> 01:16:49.639 At that time of year in July, the river's really full, 959 01:16:51.158 --> 01:16:56.163 so there isn't a dry place to stay by the river. 960 01:16:56.542 --> 01:17:01.168 It's very difficult to find a place where you can stay dry 961 01:17:01.202 --> 01:17:04.412 and where you can be seen by a plane. 962 01:17:05.413 --> 01:17:09.003 The only dry place is in the woods, 963 01:17:09.038 --> 01:17:12.455 and it's difficult to see someone there. 964 01:17:14.664 --> 01:17:16.390 Pulling the boat, 965 01:17:16.424 --> 01:17:19.220 we would go through the mangroves on top of trees, 966 01:17:19.255 --> 01:17:21.567 trunks, and everything. 967 01:17:21.602 --> 01:17:25.295 At one point, Miltino stepped on an alligator. 968 01:17:25.330 --> 01:17:27.573 He was even almost bitten by the alligator. 969 01:17:30.576 --> 01:17:32.889 When we were close to the larger part of the river 970 01:17:32.924 --> 01:17:35.167 at the top, we heard the plane. 971 01:17:36.790 --> 01:17:41.415 Then we stopped and they stopped. 972 01:17:41.449 --> 01:17:42.934 They are looking for us. 973 01:17:44.038 --> 01:17:48.042 On Sunday when they went there on the way back, 974 01:17:48.077 --> 01:17:53.082 the plane was very low, deviating from the normal route, 975 01:17:53.427 --> 01:17:57.258 knowing that possibly something had happened 976 01:17:57.293 --> 01:17:59.260 because we were taking too long. 977 01:17:59.295 --> 01:18:01.815 We should have already been at the post. 978 01:18:11.376 --> 01:18:15.621 The plane passed right over us. 979 01:18:16.795 --> 01:18:20.385 We saw it very close to us. 980 01:18:20.419 --> 01:18:23.768 "We are here, we're here." We screamed "Ah." 981 01:18:25.079 --> 01:18:28.600 Ah, the plane left. Okay, off it went. 982 01:18:29.532 --> 01:18:34.088 We felt helpless. There was nothing we could do. 983 01:18:34.123 --> 01:18:37.609 You see the plane? Ah, look, here's the boat. 984 01:18:37.643 --> 01:18:39.369 It passed right over us. 985 01:18:42.545 --> 01:18:46.066 We continued the journey. We pulled the boat out. 986 01:18:46.100 --> 01:18:49.034 The stern was badly bent. 987 01:18:49.069 --> 01:18:52.106 Then we used some stones to put it into place, 988 01:18:52.141 --> 01:18:56.421 and then we sort of moved it and then bashed it into place. 989 01:18:56.455 --> 01:18:58.941 We put it back the way it was. 990 01:19:01.184 --> 01:19:06.155 We set up, and we spent the night there. 991 01:19:08.295 --> 01:19:13.369 The next day, we left early in the morning. 992 01:19:13.403 --> 01:19:17.476 And at night, thank you very much, Lord. 993 01:19:17.511 --> 01:19:20.583 Tomorrow morning we'll return to our journey. 994 01:19:20.617 --> 01:19:24.483 We left the next day, very early in the morning, 995 01:19:24.518 --> 01:19:26.762 put the few things we had in the boat. 996 01:19:31.905 --> 01:19:35.011 Let's go, let's go. Hey, what in the world? 997 01:19:35.046 --> 01:19:39.257 Yesterday we worked very hard to get the engine really hot 998 01:19:39.291 --> 01:19:41.397 and now nothing is happening. 999 01:19:41.431 --> 01:19:46.367 We forgot to pray. Lord, make that engine work please. 1000 01:19:46.402 --> 01:19:49.888 Yesterday it worked. Why won't it work now? 1001 01:19:51.856 --> 01:19:54.203 Oh, there it is. All right, now it's turning on. 1002 01:19:54.237 --> 01:19:55.894 Yeah, that's working. 1003 01:19:58.379 --> 01:20:00.554 That's how it is in our lives, right? 1004 01:20:00.588 --> 01:20:04.109 We get it right, but it seems like we just don't learn. 1005 01:20:22.541 --> 01:20:24.440 We dismantled the camp. 1006 01:20:25.579 --> 01:20:28.409 Hmm, before taking the tarp off, 1007 01:20:28.444 --> 01:20:32.241 we knelt down and we made a resolution 1008 01:20:32.275 --> 01:20:37.246 that whenever and wherever we told the story, 1009 01:20:37.798 --> 01:20:40.594 we weren't going to go out as heroes. 1010 01:20:40.628 --> 01:20:43.183 We knelt there and prayed. 1011 01:20:46.048 --> 01:20:49.120 In the morning, we dismantled the camp 1012 01:20:49.154 --> 01:20:51.122 and started sailing again, 1013 01:20:51.156 --> 01:20:55.643 and we got to the crash site and we couldn't get through. 1014 01:20:55.678 --> 01:20:59.164 There was no way. What do we do? 1015 01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:01.304 We had to take the boat out. 1016 01:21:01.339 --> 01:21:04.929 It took us all day to walk about 300 meters 1017 01:21:06.654 --> 01:21:09.519 because now we had to carry the boat, 1018 01:21:09.554 --> 01:21:13.558 and it weighs 154 pounds. 1019 01:21:13.592 --> 01:21:15.629 It has the engine, and we were weak. 1020 01:21:16.630 --> 01:21:19.150 The boat is 19 feet long. 1021 01:21:19.184 --> 01:21:22.670 You start walking and it gets stuck in the trees. 1022 01:21:22.705 --> 01:21:27.261 You go there, turn around a little bit, come back here, 1023 01:21:27.296 --> 01:21:29.677 because we needed to get to the other side 1024 01:21:29.712 --> 01:21:31.196 of the branch of the river. 1025 01:21:31.231 --> 01:21:32.439 There we could go sailing, 1026 01:21:32.473 --> 01:21:36.684 and it was again, a very risky situation. 1027 01:21:54.150 --> 01:21:56.601 We had to spend the night there again, 1028 01:21:56.635 --> 01:22:01.606 it was a clean place, some big rocks. 1029 01:22:04.264 --> 01:22:07.439 There was a cave inside the rocks. 1030 01:22:07.474 --> 01:22:12.410 I said, "Wow," I didn't even need to ask him. 1031 01:22:12.444 --> 01:22:17.208 He immediately said, "Yeah, a jaguar's home, right?" 1032 01:22:17.242 --> 01:22:20.936 I said, "Yeah, it looks like a jaguar's home. 1033 01:22:21.971 --> 01:22:24.318 Wow, we managed to get out there, 1034 01:22:24.353 --> 01:22:29.323 and now a jaguar will eat us, eh, it's no use, right?" 1035 01:22:30.255 --> 01:22:34.018 God is in control. He is the one who takes care of us. 1036 01:22:34.915 --> 01:22:37.331 So there's some things that, 1037 01:22:37.366 --> 01:22:40.610 I believe it really was a jaguar's home, 1038 01:22:40.645 --> 01:22:43.475 but I think the jaguar went for a walk that day, 1039 01:22:43.510 --> 01:22:44.511 so it was out. 1040 01:22:45.719 --> 01:22:48.929 Things like that are spectacular. 1041 01:22:48.964 --> 01:22:52.174 That day when when we were pulling the boat, 1042 01:22:52.208 --> 01:22:56.592 I stepped on the alligator, a snake passed by, 1043 01:22:56.626 --> 01:22:59.595 a passed by our side, 1044 01:22:59.629 --> 01:23:01.528 and when we arrived at that place, 1045 01:23:01.562 --> 01:23:04.220 that's where the famous cave was. 1046 01:23:04.255 --> 01:23:07.775 There was a place, it was a stone cave, 1047 01:23:07.810 --> 01:23:10.640 and there were only jaguar footprints. 1048 01:23:10.675 --> 01:23:14.437 It was indeed a jaguar's home. What do you do? 1049 01:23:14.472 --> 01:23:18.131 We have to sleep here. There's nowhere to go. 1050 01:23:19.339 --> 01:23:22.135 I took my stick. Can you imagine? 1051 01:23:24.206 --> 01:23:26.173 Curt took out the flashlight, 1052 01:23:26.208 --> 01:23:29.245 which is a wisp of light, but it does the trick. 1053 01:23:30.350 --> 01:23:33.456 We had to see if the jaguar was inside. 1054 01:23:34.561 --> 01:23:37.564 How am I going to hit the jaguar on the head with a stick? 1055 01:23:38.496 --> 01:23:39.669 Will it hurt? 1056 01:23:39.704 --> 01:23:43.190 Will I be able to kill the animal before it kills us? 1057 01:23:43.225 --> 01:23:46.228 There was no jaguar, but there were many footprints. 1058 01:23:46.262 --> 01:23:49.369 One after another, one after another. 1059 01:23:55.789 --> 01:23:57.929 There was a terrible rain during the night, 1060 01:24:00.897 --> 01:24:03.590 and we made the camp and we spent the night there. 1061 01:24:04.660 --> 01:24:06.903 Again, I kept thinking, 1062 01:24:06.938 --> 01:24:11.253 "Oh my goodness, if this engine doesn't work right, 1063 01:24:11.287 --> 01:24:13.979 we'll only have one chance. 1064 01:24:14.014 --> 01:24:15.671 If it stops working, 1065 01:24:15.705 --> 01:24:19.019 we'll go in with the boat in this condition." 1066 01:24:20.365 --> 01:24:23.023 It was a huge boulder with violent water. 1067 01:24:25.025 --> 01:24:27.579 You can't imagine what will happen here. 1068 01:24:28.615 --> 01:24:30.203 We only had one chance. 1069 01:24:31.342 --> 01:24:32.964 That night I was praying and thinking, 1070 01:24:34.138 --> 01:24:37.210 "Lord, don't let the engine stop working." 1071 01:24:37.244 --> 01:24:39.764 The next morning we started the engine 1072 01:24:39.798 --> 01:24:44.803 and we prayed out loud, "Lord, you have brought us this far. 1073 01:24:44.838 --> 01:24:46.150 The engine cannot stop." 1074 01:24:46.184 --> 01:24:49.981 There is no time to start the engine again, 1075 01:24:50.015 --> 01:24:52.328 because the water was calm here, 1076 01:24:52.363 --> 01:24:55.573 I was going into deep water, the rapids going downhill, 1077 01:24:55.607 --> 01:24:58.093 but trying to get to the other side 1078 01:24:58.127 --> 01:25:01.199 and head the boat to continue going up. 1079 01:25:03.270 --> 01:25:05.962 When we tried to start the engine, it didn't start, 1080 01:25:07.723 --> 01:25:11.175 we pulled it, we pulled it, we pulled it. 1081 01:25:11.209 --> 01:25:14.212 I'm like, "Curt, hold on." 1082 01:25:14.247 --> 01:25:16.007 We prayed again. 1083 01:25:16.904 --> 01:25:20.460 "Lord, please, this engine has to start." 1084 01:25:21.426 --> 01:25:25.430 I pulled half of the spinner out, the engine started. 1085 01:25:25.465 --> 01:25:27.708 I headed out at full speed. 1086 01:25:27.743 --> 01:25:32.403 The water was going down, and deep water on this side, 1087 01:25:32.437 --> 01:25:35.751 down to the start of the trip with that rough boulder. 1088 01:25:36.924 --> 01:25:38.926 When I went in, the engine hit a stick. 1089 01:25:39.893 --> 01:25:43.207 It lifted 'cause the stick was loose. 1090 01:25:43.241 --> 01:25:46.762 It went back into the water running without stopping. 1091 01:25:49.247 --> 01:25:53.009 I crossed that deeper part with my heart in my mouth 1092 01:25:53.044 --> 01:25:55.978 and Curt with his eyes wide open. 1093 01:25:56.012 --> 01:26:00.776 We crossed past that part. The rapids were going downhill. 1094 01:26:00.810 --> 01:26:04.607 We turned in the other corner on the other side of the river 1095 01:26:04.642 --> 01:26:08.611 and we started sailing, and there were no more rapids. 1096 01:26:12.753 --> 01:26:17.275 I said, Curt, it was the last place. 1097 01:26:18.345 --> 01:26:20.451 When we were 600 meters away 1098 01:26:20.485 --> 01:26:22.349 from finding the big river again. 1099 01:26:23.247 --> 01:26:24.938 The rapids ended there. 1100 01:26:24.972 --> 01:26:28.907 They literally ended there, because we started sailing. 1101 01:26:28.942 --> 01:26:32.635 The branch got wider. We got into the other branch. 1102 01:26:32.670 --> 01:26:36.467 It was a relief, because there were no more rapids. 1103 01:26:36.501 --> 01:26:40.229 The water was running, but it was deep water. 1104 01:26:40.264 --> 01:26:43.508 The boat was like an airplane. It went and crossed. 1105 01:26:43.543 --> 01:26:44.647 It is made for that. 1106 01:26:50.653 --> 01:26:54.519 And we went sailing and then we saw the hand of God. 1107 01:26:56.970 --> 01:26:59.559 'Cause after one to two hours sailing, 1108 01:27:01.940 --> 01:27:03.252 we heard a noise. 1109 01:27:04.702 --> 01:27:07.498 The plane was coming low. 1110 01:27:14.608 --> 01:27:17.473 It didn't take us long to find them, 1111 01:27:17.508 --> 01:27:20.511 and it was a miracle of God. 1112 01:27:20.545 --> 01:27:22.375 The biggest miracle actually 1113 01:27:22.409 --> 01:27:25.101 was that they were able to get the engine running. 1114 01:27:25.136 --> 01:27:27.587 They repaired the boat and got it out. 1115 01:27:27.621 --> 01:27:30.831 Maybe if we had done the search a day earlier, 1116 01:27:30.866 --> 01:27:34.904 we would've flown long hours and wouldn't have found them. 1117 01:27:36.872 --> 01:27:41.670 The plane was coming low and then we saw it. 1118 01:27:41.704 --> 01:27:44.811 That made us happy. We jumped on the boat. 1119 01:27:47.503 --> 01:27:50.092 Look at the plane. It's them. 1120 01:27:50.126 --> 01:27:55.062 They spotted us, and they started to fly overhead. 1121 01:28:04.451 --> 01:28:07.143 The fear, what worried us. 1122 01:28:08.455 --> 01:28:11.424 The radio would announce that they had found us, 1123 01:28:11.458 --> 01:28:12.597 that we were alive. 1124 01:28:14.392 --> 01:28:19.363 The plane flew, came back, and they started throwing 1125 01:28:19.915 --> 01:28:21.848 the most important things in the world. 1126 01:28:23.401 --> 01:28:26.784 A lighter, a knife, some food. 1127 01:28:27.854 --> 01:28:29.856 They threw it so perfectly. 1128 01:28:29.890 --> 01:28:34.067 It came down tied in a ribbon, and I took it. 1129 01:28:34.101 --> 01:28:36.863 It was chocolate, some food, 1130 01:28:36.897 --> 01:28:40.453 and there was a note from Timothy, my son, he wrote, 1131 01:28:40.487 --> 01:28:43.525 "Dad, I don't know if you have radio there, 1132 01:28:43.559 --> 01:28:47.839 but if you don't have it, know that Brazil beat Argentina 1133 01:28:47.874 --> 01:28:51.015 two to nothing in soccer today" 1134 01:28:51.049 --> 01:28:54.812 Rescued on the day Brazil beat Argentina two to nothing. 1135 01:29:32.781 --> 01:29:37.751 Many people think there's no way up or down. 1136 01:29:39.960 --> 01:29:43.136 I don't have emotional strength anymore. 1137 01:29:43.170 --> 01:29:45.897 I don't have physical strength. 1138 01:29:45.932 --> 01:29:49.936 The situation is completely out of human control. 1139 01:29:51.524 --> 01:29:54.389 God works. 1140 01:29:54.423 --> 01:29:58.082 God continues to be God in any situation. 1141 01:29:58.116 --> 01:30:00.256 It doesn't depend on our strength, 1142 01:30:00.291 --> 01:30:03.915 or on what we were ceasing to be, but on the grace of God, 1143 01:30:03.950 --> 01:30:06.918 and his hand is always there. 1144 01:30:06.953 --> 01:30:09.265 Can you imagine the injury 1145 01:30:09.300 --> 01:30:11.716 if I had stepped on the alligator, 1146 01:30:11.751 --> 01:30:14.339 if I had been bitten by a snake? 1147 01:30:14.374 --> 01:30:17.066 Or Curt had been bitten by a snake? 1148 01:30:17.101 --> 01:30:19.137 It would be a different story. 1149 01:30:19.172 --> 01:30:21.312 If that engine cord had broken, 1150 01:30:21.346 --> 01:30:23.348 it would be a different story. 1151 01:30:23.383 --> 01:30:26.766 If the engine had stopped in that situation, 1152 01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:28.733 the ending would be different. 1153 01:30:28.768 --> 01:30:33.462 The boat was never used again. It made just one trip. 1154 01:30:33.497 --> 01:30:36.431 It got there and we put it on the wall, 1155 01:30:36.465 --> 01:30:38.881 and it was never used again. 1156 01:30:38.916 --> 01:30:43.610 The story and teachings continue that God is wonderful, 1157 01:30:43.645 --> 01:30:46.579 and God's grace is better than life. 1158 01:30:46.613 --> 01:30:47.580 We keep moving. 1159 01:30:48.891 --> 01:30:50.893 I don't know how it ends, 1160 01:30:50.928 --> 01:30:54.379 but we cling to grace until the end. 1161 01:31:17.506 --> 01:31:21.096 Ah. There are no words. 1162 01:31:21.130 --> 01:31:24.030 It's the epitome of everything. 1163 01:31:26.239 --> 01:31:29.242 That's why I am happy. I'm more than happy. 1164 01:31:30.277 --> 01:31:31.969 Top notch. Oh yeah.