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{\an8}Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán.
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Public Enemy Number One.
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Head of the notorious
Sinaloa drug cartel.
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The largest drug trafficking
organization in the world.
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El Chapo became almost
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mythological when he escapes
through a tunnel.
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Guzmán was last seen
on a security camera
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entering a shower area,
slipped into a hole,
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into an elaborate tunnel.
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He becomes the GOAT
of prison escapes.
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I mean, you can't
make things like that up!
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It's something that would be
like written for the movies.
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They had to put out
a manhunt for him.
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Arriba! Arriba!
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{\an8}And El Chapo was arrested.
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Finally back in custody,
after 13 years on the run.
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And he is very quickly
extradited to the US.
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The narco-trafficker Trial
of the Century.
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- Make way!
- Make way! Let's go!
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One constant fixture
in the courtroom
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has been Guzmán's wife
of more than 10 years.
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- Former beauty queen.
- Beauty queen.
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Former beauty queen
Emma Coronel.
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There's an idea in daily
journalism of the "get,"
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the best thing
you could possibly have
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on the story, and that was her.
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All our editors were like,
"Get her!"
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People wanted to know how this
young lady was married to this
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man who was significantly older.
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18 and 50, people thought
that was just gross.
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There was a cloud
of suspicion around her.
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She herself is just one small
step removed from bloodshed.
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Witness testimonies
portray him as a killer.
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Authorities attribute 10,000
murders to El Chapo's gang.
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You can't make this glamorous
life on the souls of the people
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that have been tortured
and killed,
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and not expect
to have to answer to it.
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There's this sense
at any moment,
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that she could be implicated.
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And in fact, we know
that later she was.
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"The wife of the world's most
notorious drug lord,
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arrested Monday."
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That was an interesting
mind shift,
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when people stopped looking
just at Chapo
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and started looking at her.
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America wants to know, how do
you feel, ma'am?
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America wants
to know how you feel?
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There's so much
she hasnt shared.
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What she saw,
and what she learned.
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Who is this woman?
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What exactly
is her role, here?
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Is she really
kind of a mastermind?
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Or, is she a victim
of circumstances
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beyond her control?
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{\an8}Opening statements in the case
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{\an8}against drug kingpin Joaquín
"El Chapo" Guzmán
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{\an8}are being held at
the Federal Courthouse
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{\an8}in Brooklyn this morning.
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{\an8}Guzmán is the head
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{\an8}of the notorious
Sinaloa drug cartel.
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{\an8}The largest drug trafficking
organization in the world.
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I was working
as a crime reporter,
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and I got a call from my editor.
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And he was like,
"You speak Spanish, right?"
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And I was like, "Yes."
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And he's like, "Do you wanna
cover El Chapo's trial?"
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And I immediately said yes!
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This is, you know
the Trial of the Century.
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I remember a lot of police,
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waiting for a war or something.
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A lot of journalists outside.
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{\an8}It's the New York press corps,
the national press corps,
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{\an8}it's all
the Spanish language press.
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And they're all getting there
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before dawn, lined up.
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I spent nights sleeping in a
sleeping bag, waiting to get in.
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There was this huge energy,
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in part because of the fame
and notoriety.
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Federal authorities were
terrified that he would somehow
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escape, again!
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But really, it was
the Trial of the Century
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because no capo had
ever done this before.
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Gone to trial and had
everything splayed out.
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El Chapo pleaded not guilty.
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He's facing serious
counts here,
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including drug making,
distribution,
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running a criminal enterprise.
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That he engaged
in murder conspiracy.
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Drug and gun charges.
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And money laundering.
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An avalanche of evidence.
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56 witnesses.
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Full of graphic testimony
on how prosecutors say
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the drug lord carried
out his operation.
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Involved in gruesome murders.
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Known to personally torture
and kill his enemies.
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If Guzmán is found guilty,
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he will spend the rest of his
life in a federal prison.
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Guys, back up! Come on,
give her some space!
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- Come on back!
- Back up!
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The more I watched Emma, while
everybody else watched Chapo,
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I became convinced she was
a more interesting story.
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Thank you. Good luck.
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There was lots of debate among
all of us about what exactly
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is her role here?
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We're analyzing literally
any little tidbit.
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Every reaction, every outfit.
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We have to make notes,
what she was wearing everyday.
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And I did it in my case,
against my will.
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Yes, her outfits were great,
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but there was more to her
than that.
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We would watch her
during the proceedings,
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for details that might
somehow implicate her.
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If there's a gruesome
murder being discussed!
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Each and every one of us in that
courtroom was eagle-eyed
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to try to see if there
were tears in her eyes.
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She was very stoic.
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She didn't react.
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She didn't move a nerve
on her face.
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That's when you find out
that she's not normal people.
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{\an8}Mm-hmm.
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{\an8}After the trial,
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{\an8}I wanted to see
a different perspective.
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So, I went to Mexico.
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{\an8}Emma wasn't there,
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{\an8}but I met up with her family.
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{\an8}I said, you know,
"I've seen the trial,
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{\an8}now I want to see
the other side."
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And they said, "Okay."
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When she was 17,
Emma wanted to be a model,
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and decided to
run for this pageant.
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In order to campaign for votes,
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she would attend
these local parties.
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The parties leading up to the
beauty pageant had a reputation,
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a lot of narcos will come to,
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you know, watch
the young ladies, right?
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These are teenage girls,
and these are men,
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some of them rather old men.
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{\an8}Emma meets Chapo
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{\an8}on the dancefloor.
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Chapo, at which point
is already a fugitive,
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after this violent incident
at the Guadalajara airport.
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{\an8}So in 1993, when Emma
is three years old,
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El Chapo is involved in
a high profile shootout,
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resulting in the death
of the Cardinal of Mexico.
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Chapo is arrested, he is put
in high security prison
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and that was the end of it.
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Until his first escape,
when she was 11 years old.
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And from that moment on,
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There was, you know, a bounty
on his head,
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and he became a famous narco.
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He has this larger
than life outlaw story.
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Chapo Guzmán actually invented
the border tunnel.
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Drug tunnels, carrying a river
of drugs into the United States.
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Everybody was looking
for Chapo.
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See, his face was on
the TV, on the newspapers.
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Chapo, Chapo, Chapo,
Chapo, Chapo.
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Nobody knows how many times
they tried to catch him.
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{\an8}Chapo and Emma continued
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{\an8}their relationship.
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The beauty pageant
votes come in,
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and she wins.
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{\an8}She is crowned
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{\an8}Reina de Festival in February,
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and in July of that same year,
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her 18th birthday,
she's married to El Chapo.
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{\an8}When you have an 18 year old
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married to one of the most
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powerful drug dealers
of all time,
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you get about as
little agency as possible.
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You know, if you believe in
"Me Too" at all...
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18 and 50, that was
the gross power dynamic
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from an age perspective,
from a power standpoint.
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That's not a man you say no to.
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{\an8}The wedding makes headlines.
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Local politicians are there,
there's lots of interest,
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so of course,
Mexican authorities,
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you know, descend on the town.
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The wedding makes headlines.
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There's lots of interest,
so of course,
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Mexican authorities
descend on the town,
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looking for El Chapo.
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{\an8}He was just ahead of the game.
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I started with the DEA in 1987,
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and by the early 90s,
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one of our main targets
was El Chapo Guzmán.
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By 2007, he'd already been
indicted in the United States
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for trafficking massive
amounts of cocaine.
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We always would work with
Mexican authorities.
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0600, yes.
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The problem was back then,
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corruption is such an integral
part of how
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the law enforcement worked.
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We knew that people were
tipping him off, saying,
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"Don't go here,
be sure to go there."
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It was a cat-and-mouse game,
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except the mouse
had all the cards.
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We first heard of Emma right
about the time of the marriage.
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A lot of us had daughters
that were Emma's age,
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and she's married Chapo,
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the most wanted man probably
in the Western Hemisphere,
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if not the world.
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I think as a parent, you kind
of like get that stomach twist,
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"Oh, that's not good!"
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After they married,
Emma moves to Culiacán.
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It's the capital of Sinaloa,
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it's also the capital
of cartel headquarters.
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And during this time,
El Chapo's mostly hiding off
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in the mountains.
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{\an8}Even though they were both
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{\an8}in Mexico, it was
a long-distance marriage.
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So a lot of it happens
over text,
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and a lot of it
is actually logistics.
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Gaviota.
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Gaviota!
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{\an8}Around the time when
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{\an8}Emma was married to El Chapo,
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you see this explosion
of brutal, visceral violence
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in Mexico's criminal landscape.
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Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán
is currently at war
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with the Juárez Cartel,
with the Gulf Cartel,
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and with Arturo Beltrán Leyva.
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{\an8}Local newspapers almost
daily have headlines
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{\an8}of the bloody violence
of the drug cartels.
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{\an8}In the past few years,
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{\an8}Mexico has become one of the
most dangerous places on earth.
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{\an8}Narco-traffickers,
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{\an8}they are the reason for
a lot of death in Mexico,
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{\an8}and in the US.
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I believe they don't care
about the people.
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A normal people, they care
about people. They don't.
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Chapo was in charge
of death squads,
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that went to kill
people who were loyal
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to the other factions.
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That kind of brutal
violence upped the ante.
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I'm sure viewers will remember
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the tossing of heads
onto a dance floor.
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Bodies hanging off bridges
around that time.
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That's the terror they bring.
The innocent people mostly,
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were in a constant
state of fear or terror.
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People want to know what Emma
witnessed, and what she learned
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during her time with El Chapo.
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{\an8}So, over the next few years,
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{\an8}Emma and Chapo continue this
long-distance relationship,
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{\an8}while he keeps evading
the authorities.
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{\an8}I think you see Emma take
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{\an8}agency only really
a few times in her early story.
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And one of those times
is when she's pregnant
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with her twin daughters.
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{\an8}We try to keep a bead
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{\an8}on everyone
that was in his circle.
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You did seem
to be focused on Emma.
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We get word from a lookout that
Emma and her family members
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have come in
to the United States.
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We envision Chapo coming
through one of the tunnels,
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and coming up
and visiting her and the twins
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in the hospital.
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And if we were thinking he
was gonna show up and visit,
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then one of the cartels he was
at war with
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might think he's
gonna show up and visit.
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And the last thing we wanted
was another Guadalajara airport
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massacre happening
here in the United States.
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We envision Chapo coming
through one of the tunnels,
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and visiting her and the twins
in the hospital.
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Would he do it? I don't know.
It's like playing the lottery,
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you can't win unless
you buy a ticket.
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{\an8}We didn't have probable cause
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{\an8}to arrest or detain
them at the time,
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and it's not illegal to be
married to a drug lord.
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But we set up surveillance
around the hospital,
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partially to catch Chapo,
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partially as a security to make
sure everything stayed safe.
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{\an8}It's a pretty intimidating
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{\an8}position to be in,
I think, for her.
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If rivals are trying to
get to your husband,
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and those rivals get hold
of you instead,
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it's very common for violence
to be meted out
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against the women
of powerful narcos.
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Rape is a part of that,
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body mutilation
is a part of that.
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You know, to send a message
to the powerful men
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that they're associated with.
285
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{\an8}There's a lot of myth
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{\an8}that shrouds Emma's family.
287
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:48,121
We know much more about sort
of her family
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after El Chapo than before.
289
00:29:50,457 --> 00:29:53,918
Her father, he was certainly
trafficking drugs afterwards.
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00:29:54,002 --> 00:29:55,712
There's text exchanges
that go to that,
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00:29:55,795 --> 00:29:58,506
that were brought into the court
record at El Chapo's trial.
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00:31:03,321 --> 00:31:04,656
{\an8}At this point,
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00:31:04,781 --> 00:31:06,574
{\an8}Emma's dealing with a lot.
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00:31:06,616 --> 00:31:08,618
With the arrest of her father
and brother,
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there is this sense
that the Mexican authorities
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00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:13,331
are closing in.
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There would of course
been the fear
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that she was going
to also lose her husband.
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00:31:16,626 --> 00:31:19,212
And then, beyond all that,
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00:31:19,295 --> 00:31:21,673
also knowing that there
had been other women.
301
00:31:24,175 --> 00:31:27,929
He'd had wives before her,
and never divorced them.
302
00:31:27,971 --> 00:31:30,932
And there's also infidelity.
303
00:31:31,016 --> 00:31:34,436
Reams and reams of cheating.
304
00:31:34,602 --> 00:31:36,855
He didn't do drugs,
he didn't really drink,
305
00:31:36,980 --> 00:31:42,777
but he ate Viagra like candy.
He was addicted to women.
306
00:32:21,149 --> 00:32:23,318
{\an8}Chapo, he moved
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00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,489
{\an8}from different hideouts
in the mountains,
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00:32:27,614 --> 00:32:32,202
but the problem was,
again, women,
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00:32:32,285 --> 00:32:37,457
when he went from the mountains
to the cities to meet them.
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00:32:37,499 --> 00:32:39,292
Had he stayed in the mountains,
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00:32:39,376 --> 00:32:40,877
we would still be looking
for him today.
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00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,219
In 2014, Operation Gargoyle
kicks off.
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00:32:49,260 --> 00:32:53,640
We're teamed up with CIMAR,
the Mexican Marines.
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00:32:53,723 --> 00:32:58,061
One of the most highly trained,
efficient Special Forces group
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00:32:58,103 --> 00:32:59,854
in the world.
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00:33:00,021 --> 00:33:02,941
The DEA on the ground
there is the strongest
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00:33:02,982 --> 00:33:04,192
I've ever worked with.
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00:33:04,234 --> 00:33:06,027
It was kind of the perfect
storm, everything
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00:33:06,111 --> 00:33:07,821
was coming together.
320
00:33:09,197 --> 00:33:12,575
We get the information
about Culiacán,
321
00:33:12,617 --> 00:33:15,412
that Chapo was in that area.
322
00:33:15,495 --> 00:33:19,749
They find out from informants
that Chapo has seven houses,
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00:33:19,791 --> 00:33:23,503
all connected by the tunnels
in the sewer system.
324
00:33:23,628 --> 00:33:25,880
And he hides
in different houses.
325
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:29,759
And, as the team is clearing
the various houses,
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00:33:29,926 --> 00:33:36,683
they find an RPG, several guns,
tons of methamphetamine,
327
00:33:36,725 --> 00:33:40,020
bunch of plastic bananas
and stuff,
328
00:33:40,061 --> 00:33:41,563
so he could hide cocaine in it.
329
00:33:43,481 --> 00:33:45,817
And they found it, found
the house that Chapo was at.
330
00:33:52,532 --> 00:33:55,160
{\an8}¡Arriba! ¡Arriba!
331
00:33:55,326 --> 00:33:56,619
{\an8}They're clearing the house.
332
00:33:58,204 --> 00:34:01,708
And they don't find
anyone inside.
333
00:34:01,791 --> 00:34:05,962
But as they get in,
they find an escape hatch,
334
00:34:06,046 --> 00:34:07,922
underneath the bathtub.
335
00:34:08,923 --> 00:34:12,802
As they're breaching the house,
Chapo and his missus Cicero
336
00:34:12,886 --> 00:34:16,514
went down the tunnel and
took off through the sewers.
337
00:34:16,556 --> 00:34:20,143
He slipped out of a bathroom
trap door, down these stairs,
338
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:23,188
into these underground tunnels,
as Mexican authorities
339
00:34:23,271 --> 00:34:24,898
try to break down a steel door.
340
00:34:28,234 --> 00:34:30,653
Four days had passed,
341
00:34:30,695 --> 00:34:33,156
it was some people that thought,
"Okay, he's gone."
342
00:34:33,198 --> 00:34:37,243
But the Mexican Marines
and the DEA keep the pursuit
343
00:34:37,327 --> 00:34:39,954
and they keep monitoring
all the communications.
344
00:34:41,664 --> 00:34:43,625
And we find out that
Chapo's in Mazatlán.
345
00:34:51,716 --> 00:34:54,594
El Chapo is in disguise,
346
00:34:54,678 --> 00:34:58,890
and he's wheeled into the hotel
Miramar in a wheelchair.
347
00:34:58,973 --> 00:35:01,601
He's wearing sunglasses,
and he's hunkered down
348
00:35:01,768 --> 00:35:03,478
in the wheelchair.
349
00:35:05,355 --> 00:35:07,816
And they usher him up
to the fourth floor.
350
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,503
{\an8}They get there,
351
00:36:10,587 --> 00:36:12,130
{\an8}they find a hotel.
352
00:36:12,172 --> 00:36:15,925
They surround the Miramar.
353
00:36:16,009 --> 00:36:18,511
They're pretty much convinced
there's not a tunnel issue here,
354
00:36:18,636 --> 00:36:20,889
because he's on
the fourth floor.
355
00:37:13,608 --> 00:37:15,026
{\an8}Chapo was captured
356
00:37:15,110 --> 00:37:16,653
{\an8}without a shot.
357
00:37:16,778 --> 00:37:20,448
No one was hurt, that's the
biggest victory you could have.
358
00:38:05,452 --> 00:38:07,704
{\an8}Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán,
359
00:38:07,787 --> 00:38:09,539
{\an8}on the run for 13 years,
360
00:38:09,622 --> 00:38:10,832
his arrest tonight being called
361
00:38:10,999 --> 00:38:14,002
the biggest setback to
the drug trade in three decades.
362
00:38:14,085 --> 00:38:17,964
We were all really surprised
that he hung around,
363
00:38:18,048 --> 00:38:20,050
uh, he stayed in Mazatlán.
364
00:38:20,091 --> 00:38:23,428
It was just amazing to us that
someone who was so
365
00:38:23,511 --> 00:38:28,016
tactically smart would
do something so tactically dumb.
366
00:38:28,099 --> 00:38:31,269
Kind of gave breath to the
theory that Emma
367
00:38:31,353 --> 00:38:33,688
was truly his weakness.
368
00:38:33,772 --> 00:38:36,358
If it was so important
to see her,
369
00:38:36,483 --> 00:38:38,902
that's what got him captured.
370
00:39:38,628 --> 00:39:40,588
{\an8}Emma was watching her family
371
00:39:40,672 --> 00:39:42,173
{\an8}drop off like flies.
372
00:39:42,257 --> 00:39:46,052
All the most important men in
her life, gone in a year's time.
373
00:39:46,177 --> 00:39:51,141
And her power, at that time,
was very much rooted
374
00:39:51,224 --> 00:39:54,519
in her connections
to these important men.
375
00:39:54,602 --> 00:39:58,773
So, losing them was going
to forever change her life.
376
00:40:35,435 --> 00:40:37,020
{\an8}In certain parts
377
00:40:37,103 --> 00:40:39,022
{\an8}of Mexican society,
you do have this hero worship
378
00:40:39,064 --> 00:40:40,607
{\an8}around El Chapo.
379
00:40:40,690 --> 00:40:42,776
It's sort of like, "**** you"
380
00:40:42,859 --> 00:40:48,615
to the government and the
systems that keep people down.
381
00:40:49,574 --> 00:40:51,242
If you go to cities
like Culiacán,
382
00:40:51,326 --> 00:40:53,661
if you go to the markets,
you can buy anything from like
383
00:40:53,703 --> 00:40:55,789
caps and keyrings,
and mugs and t-shirts,
384
00:40:55,914 --> 00:41:01,252
to a miniature figurine
of El Chapo with a AK-47.
385
00:41:02,712 --> 00:41:07,759
El Chapo was born
into grinding poverty,
386
00:41:07,842 --> 00:41:10,261
and then made it
onto Forbes rich list.
387
00:41:11,513 --> 00:41:13,056
That, to a lot of people,
388
00:41:13,139 --> 00:41:15,892
is the rags to riches
story to aspire to.
389
00:41:15,934 --> 00:41:19,729
El Chapo has cashed in on drug
smuggling to the tune of
390
00:41:19,771 --> 00:41:21,981
a billion dollars,
according to Forbes Magazine.
391
00:41:22,107 --> 00:41:25,402
He is uh, not available
for interviews,
392
00:41:25,527 --> 00:41:27,195
because he's on the run!
393
00:41:58,893 --> 00:42:00,395
{\an8}I mean, how could she not
394
00:42:00,478 --> 00:42:01,563
{\an8}have known about the money?
395
00:42:08,528 --> 00:42:11,031
Yes, there was money.
396
00:42:11,197 --> 00:42:13,116
I think she came to
appreciate the lifestyle
397
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:16,911
of designer clothes
and nice cars and all of that.
398
00:42:18,496 --> 00:42:22,459
You can't make this life
on the souls of the people
399
00:42:22,542 --> 00:42:25,045
that have been tortured and
killed by the Sinaloa Cartel,
400
00:42:25,086 --> 00:42:27,922
and not expect to have
to answer to it.
401
00:42:59,162 --> 00:43:00,455
If you want to be
like,
402
00:43:00,580 --> 00:43:01,831
"When can we lay the
blame?
403
00:43:01,956 --> 00:43:03,291
When can we say
this was her fault?"
404
00:43:04,125 --> 00:43:06,711
Is she complicit
in her husband's crimes?
405
00:43:07,462 --> 00:43:09,464
At this point,
Emma's in her 20s
406
00:43:09,547 --> 00:43:13,093
and now this is the father
of her children,
407
00:43:13,259 --> 00:43:15,929
so, you know,
what was she supposed to do?
408
00:43:15,970 --> 00:43:17,931
Like, you can't leave
that marriage.
409
00:43:19,933 --> 00:43:22,602
I would imagine for a woman
in her position,
410
00:43:22,686 --> 00:43:25,897
it was very hard to say no
411
00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:29,025
to helping advance
El Chapo's business.
412
00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:32,153
Especially, you know,
when he was in prison.
413
00:43:34,864 --> 00:43:37,200
El Chapo is taken
to a high-security prison
414
00:43:37,242 --> 00:43:38,702
called El Altiplano.
415
00:43:38,827 --> 00:43:41,329
And it's one of
the highest security prisons
416
00:43:41,496 --> 00:43:42,580
in all of Mexico.
417
00:43:43,665 --> 00:43:45,667
He has a cell to himself,
418
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:47,794
Emma has moved
into a town nearby
419
00:43:47,919 --> 00:43:50,046
and comes and visits often.
420
00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:52,590
But her visits to him
in Altiplano
421
00:43:52,674 --> 00:43:54,300
would later have a huge impact.
422
00:43:54,384 --> 00:43:56,678
On both his life and hers.
423
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,559
And in July
of 2015,
424
00:44:45,518 --> 00:44:48,730
El Chapo goes to his shower...
425
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,153
...and slips down a hole.
426
00:44:55,278 --> 00:44:58,239
And this is all caught, y'know,
on video camera.
427
00:45:00,575 --> 00:45:04,079
Tonight, the top drug dealer
in the world has done it again.
428
00:45:04,204 --> 00:45:05,789
{\an8}For the second time,
he just staged
429
00:45:05,872 --> 00:45:06,956
{\an8}a spectacular escape.
430
00:45:12,545 --> 00:45:16,508
I remember just being
completely like, incredulous
431
00:45:16,633 --> 00:45:20,011
that he would escape
in such a fashion.
432
00:45:20,512 --> 00:45:23,431
You just can't make
things like that up.
433
00:46:38,798 --> 00:46:41,426
{\an8}She can't really
talk about the escape
434
00:46:41,509 --> 00:46:44,137
for fears of, you know,
legal repercussions.
435
00:46:44,262 --> 00:46:46,306
I mean, she's still on probation
436
00:46:46,348 --> 00:46:48,183
and I don't think Emma
wants to draw any more attention
437
00:46:48,266 --> 00:46:51,186
to what her role might have
played in El Chapo's escape.
438
00:46:56,941 --> 00:46:59,819
Tonight, a frantic search
continues for him
439
00:46:59,903 --> 00:47:02,655
{\an8}as we get a better sense
of the complexity of the tunnel
440
00:47:02,781 --> 00:47:04,532
{\an8}through which
he made his escape.
441
00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:08,453
He becomes the GOAT
of prisoner escapes.
442
00:47:08,578 --> 00:47:10,497
This is worldwide publicity.
443
00:47:10,580 --> 00:47:13,458
It's the second escape
for the notorious drug kingpin.
444
00:47:13,541 --> 00:47:15,752
{\an8}El Chapo's escape
raises serious questions
445
00:47:15,835 --> 00:47:17,962
{\an8}about potential corruption
at that prison.
446
00:47:18,046 --> 00:47:19,631
Everybody was laughing, saying,
447
00:47:19,714 --> 00:47:22,717
"Come on! Chapo escaped again?"
448
00:47:22,759 --> 00:47:25,261
Yep. He did.
449
00:47:26,054 --> 00:47:30,433
Every aspect of this escape
was very well thought out.
450
00:47:31,226 --> 00:47:35,230
Figuring out how far away
they needed to start the tunnel,
451
00:47:35,355 --> 00:47:37,440
the land they would need to get
so they had
452
00:47:37,565 --> 00:47:39,526
full access to that area.
453
00:47:39,651 --> 00:47:42,112
Guzman was last seen
on a security camera
454
00:47:42,195 --> 00:47:43,488
entering a shower area.
455
00:47:43,571 --> 00:47:46,491
He slipped into
a 20-by-20 inch hole,
456
00:47:46,574 --> 00:47:48,993
down a ladder,
into an elaborate tunnel
457
00:47:49,035 --> 00:47:50,954
made of wood and PVC pipe.
458
00:47:51,913 --> 00:47:55,083
And the tunnel itself
is ventilated.
459
00:47:56,126 --> 00:47:57,961
He has a motorbike,
460
00:47:58,003 --> 00:48:02,090
he can just go the mile
distance through the tunnel.
461
00:48:04,217 --> 00:48:06,511
This is easy, this is set up,
this is planned.
462
00:48:08,221 --> 00:48:10,598
It's something that would be
like, written for the movies.
463
00:48:19,232 --> 00:48:21,109
At the time, I was
covering news in Mexico
464
00:48:21,192 --> 00:48:23,945
and the entire press corps
was just like,
465
00:48:24,029 --> 00:48:26,197
disbelieving and amused.
466
00:48:26,906 --> 00:48:29,492
It had to be literally one
of the most embarrassing things
467
00:48:29,617 --> 00:48:32,746
for the Mexican government
in probably decades.
468
00:48:32,829 --> 00:48:35,331
For them to say,
"Okay, now we have him.
469
00:48:35,373 --> 00:48:36,916
Oops, he's gone."
470
00:48:46,509 --> 00:48:48,678
He just goes right
back to the life that he'd had
471
00:48:48,762 --> 00:48:49,929
before he'd been incarcerated.
472
00:48:50,013 --> 00:48:51,973
Today, pictures surfaced
on social media
473
00:48:52,057 --> 00:48:54,934
purporting to show Guzman
after his escape.
474
00:48:55,060 --> 00:48:56,936
It obviously went to his head.
475
00:48:57,479 --> 00:49:00,148
And that actually kind of
worked out in our advantage.
476
00:49:01,274 --> 00:49:03,318
He becomes a little bit more,
477
00:49:03,443 --> 00:49:05,653
almost flaunting
that they can't get him.
478
00:49:05,737 --> 00:49:08,114
He even invites
Kate del Castillo and Sean Penn
479
00:49:08,198 --> 00:49:10,075
to come visit him
while he's in hiding.
480
00:49:10,158 --> 00:49:13,119
To talk about making a movie
about his life.
481
00:49:13,161 --> 00:49:16,456
And there's all these photos
of them together.
482
00:49:18,166 --> 00:49:20,835
Him meeting with Sean Penn
Miss del Castillo,
483
00:49:20,919 --> 00:49:24,756
that was something Chapo would
not have done years before.
484
00:49:25,757 --> 00:49:28,134
And that eventually leads
to Sean Penn's interview.
485
00:49:28,218 --> 00:49:29,928
An article in Rolling Stone.
486
00:49:45,819 --> 00:49:47,654
You don't invite
famous people to come
487
00:49:47,737 --> 00:49:49,447
hang out with you
while you're in hiding
488
00:49:49,489 --> 00:49:52,242
if you're, you know,
really doing it well.
489
00:49:52,784 --> 00:49:56,579
At that point, I think he just
thought he was Teflon.
490
00:49:56,663 --> 00:49:58,331
He just got very sloppy.
491
00:49:58,415 --> 00:50:04,587
I was stunned that he would
risk, uh, our trip,
492
00:50:04,671 --> 00:50:05,797
I was stunned.
493
00:50:38,705 --> 00:50:41,374
Two weeks later, investigators
are hot on the trail
494
00:50:41,416 --> 00:50:43,752
of El Chapo once again.
495
00:50:45,128 --> 00:50:47,630
We're relying heavily
on electronic mine frame,
496
00:50:47,714 --> 00:50:49,507
that's the big thing.
497
00:50:49,591 --> 00:50:52,177
We developed intelligence
that a safe house is being built
498
00:50:52,260 --> 00:50:53,803
for Chapo and Los Muchis.
499
00:50:55,638 --> 00:50:57,640
And we get the information
500
00:50:57,766 --> 00:50:59,893
that Grandma is coming,
501
00:50:59,976 --> 00:51:02,270
and that's the new codename
for Chapo.
502
00:51:05,231 --> 00:51:07,442
And next thing you know,
503
00:51:07,567 --> 00:51:09,986
Chapo ordered
a whole bunch of tacos
504
00:51:10,070 --> 00:51:12,447
and had 'em brought
to the house.
505
00:51:12,572 --> 00:51:15,450
The Mexican Marines
stormed the door.
506
00:51:18,578 --> 00:51:20,538
Immediately,
a firefight breaks out.
507
00:51:29,297 --> 00:51:33,009
{\an8}This time, he's not
with his wife and children
508
00:51:33,093 --> 00:51:35,720
and he is ultimately
detained and arrested.
509
00:52:30,191 --> 00:52:32,277
{\an8}El Chapo's capture ends
the biggest manhunt
510
00:52:32,402 --> 00:52:33,445
{\an8}in Mexican history.
511
00:52:33,570 --> 00:52:35,321
He was apprehended in Mexico
512
00:52:35,447 --> 00:52:37,699
six months after
he tunneled his way out...
513
00:52:52,213 --> 00:52:54,299
El Chapo's capture ends
the biggest manhunt
514
00:52:54,424 --> 00:52:55,759
in Mexican history.
515
00:54:10,959 --> 00:54:14,713
As you looked into his eyes,
you can see the surprise.
516
00:54:14,754 --> 00:54:16,881
You can see the shock.
517
00:54:16,965 --> 00:54:19,968
And to a certain extent,
you can actually see the fear.
518
00:54:38,611 --> 00:54:41,573
For us, it was the ultimate
victory dance.
519
00:54:41,656 --> 00:54:44,617
That's when we knew we won.
No doubt.
520
00:54:44,701 --> 00:54:46,953
When you think back on all
the man hours
521
00:54:47,037 --> 00:54:49,289
and the sweat you put into
522
00:54:49,330 --> 00:54:52,208
locating this
very evil person.
523
00:54:52,292 --> 00:54:54,878
After all the pain and sorrow
524
00:54:54,961 --> 00:54:57,672
and loss of life that Chapo
brought to the United States,
525
00:54:58,882 --> 00:55:00,592
his extradition to the US,
526
00:55:00,675 --> 00:55:02,844
it was a proud moment
for all of us.
527
00:55:05,638 --> 00:55:07,849
There's good and bad
in everybody.
528
00:55:07,932 --> 00:55:10,268
I judge him based on
529
00:55:10,352 --> 00:55:12,771
how he has treated me
all these years.
530
00:55:12,854 --> 00:55:16,441
Tell us how you got
involved Joaquin Guzman.
531
00:55:19,361 --> 00:55:23,281
I took the bar on February 2018
in New York.
532
00:55:23,323 --> 00:55:25,492
And as I was waiting
for the results,
533
00:55:25,533 --> 00:55:27,786
on Craigslist, there was an ad.
534
00:55:27,869 --> 00:55:30,330
Part-time job
for a Spanish speaker,
535
00:55:30,372 --> 00:55:32,791
paralegal,
criminal defence law firm.
536
00:55:32,916 --> 00:55:34,959
So I was like,
"Okay, bingo, that's me."
537
00:55:35,043 --> 00:55:36,795
So when they said,
"Before you accept,
538
00:55:36,836 --> 00:55:39,339
the client is
Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman."
539
00:55:42,050 --> 00:55:44,678
I was like, "Awesome, great.
Where do I start?
540
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,429
Now I want to start, like,
tomorrow!"
541
00:55:46,513 --> 00:55:50,975
I mean, you have the biggest
criminal trial of the century.
542
00:55:51,059 --> 00:55:53,770
Attorneys work 30, 40 years
in their career
543
00:55:53,895 --> 00:55:55,480
to land a case like this.
544
00:55:55,605 --> 00:55:59,567
So I saw it as a professional
opportunity right away.
545
00:56:01,361 --> 00:56:03,363
When I met Mr. Guzman,
546
00:56:03,488 --> 00:56:05,281
we had a glass dividing us,
547
00:56:05,407 --> 00:56:07,909
he put his hand on the glass
and I put my hand on the glass,
548
00:56:07,992 --> 00:56:11,913
and that was like,
our first hello, and we talked.
549
00:56:11,955 --> 00:56:15,583
I love talking,
he loves talking, so we clicked.
550
00:56:17,043 --> 00:56:20,255
I met Emma not long
after I met El Chapo.
551
00:56:20,296 --> 00:56:22,757
Emma and I became friends
pretty quickly
552
00:56:22,799 --> 00:56:25,468
because of the amount of time
that we were spending together,
553
00:56:25,552 --> 00:56:27,470
and then she moved to New York
554
00:56:27,512 --> 00:56:29,055
basically when
the trial started.
555
00:57:06,801 --> 00:57:08,386
The trial for
the Mexican drug lord,
556
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:11,181
Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman
is underway.
557
00:57:11,222 --> 00:57:13,641
The police motorcade
taking him to the courthouse
558
00:57:13,725 --> 00:57:14,851
in Brooklyn.
559
00:57:14,934 --> 00:57:16,436
{\an8}Guzman pleaded not guilty
560
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:17,729
{\an8}to 17 counts
561
00:57:17,854 --> 00:57:19,481
including drug trafficking
and murder.
562
00:57:19,522 --> 00:57:22,359
The trial definitely
was a media circus.
563
00:57:25,362 --> 00:57:27,739
The press was there,
waiting every day.
564
00:57:27,822 --> 00:57:30,950
Trying to get a few words
out of her.
565
00:57:33,244 --> 00:57:35,038
I would take Emma
to court every morning.
566
00:57:35,121 --> 00:57:36,498
Excuse me. 'Scuse me.
567
00:57:37,165 --> 00:57:39,584
Take her back home after court.
568
00:57:41,628 --> 00:57:44,130
I think she handled it
really well.
569
00:57:45,256 --> 00:57:46,633
I don't know
what I would have done
570
00:57:46,716 --> 00:57:48,051
had I been in her situation,
571
00:57:48,093 --> 00:57:51,221
I probably would have left
crying almost every day.
572
00:57:51,304 --> 00:57:53,014
I admire her for that, you know.
573
00:57:55,517 --> 00:57:57,435
The first thing
that Chapo would do
574
00:57:57,477 --> 00:57:58,645
when he would get
into the courtroom
575
00:57:58,728 --> 00:58:01,147
was he would turn around
and look for her.
576
00:58:02,607 --> 00:58:05,944
There was that constant longing
and tension between them.
577
00:58:07,237 --> 00:58:10,532
Where they would be making faces
and goo-goo eyes at each other.
578
00:58:11,282 --> 00:58:13,618
At least once or twice,
the judge stopped
579
00:58:13,660 --> 00:58:16,371
the proceedings, like,
"Hey, eyes up here."
580
00:58:16,413 --> 00:58:18,498
Because it would kind of get
a little bit much.
581
00:58:20,333 --> 00:58:22,794
His story is paraded out
582
00:58:22,836 --> 00:58:25,296
and all the characters come in
one by one,
583
00:58:25,380 --> 00:58:27,757
and they tell
their version of events.
584
00:58:27,882 --> 00:58:30,135
Some of the guys wouldn't even
look at Chapo.
585
00:58:30,218 --> 00:58:32,178
But others, you know,
I think one guy kind of like,
586
00:58:32,220 --> 00:58:33,847
touched his heart
and there'd be like,
587
00:58:33,930 --> 00:58:35,473
nods and there'd be like,
appreciation,
588
00:58:35,515 --> 00:58:37,892
it was almost like
a family reunion.
589
00:58:39,227 --> 00:58:41,312
The testimonies against Chapo
mentioned that
590
00:58:41,354 --> 00:58:44,399
he ordered a lot of killings.
591
00:58:49,195 --> 00:58:54,534
Witness testimonies also
portray him as a killer.
592
00:58:57,203 --> 00:58:59,539
And testimonies about enemies
593
00:58:59,581 --> 00:59:03,752
that he ordered
to be buried alive.
594
00:59:08,048 --> 00:59:11,134
We would watch Emma
during the proceedings
595
00:59:11,259 --> 00:59:14,179
to see, how does she respond,
does she seem to already know?
596
00:59:14,721 --> 00:59:18,350
Like, what is this person's
real feeling?
597
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,231
It's obvious who Chapo was.
598
01:01:30,273 --> 01:01:32,734
Everyone knew that
if you crossed Chapo,
599
01:01:32,901 --> 01:01:34,694
you were putting your life
in danger.
600
01:01:35,278 --> 01:01:38,740
Chapo was involved violence,
a lot of violence.
601
01:01:39,491 --> 01:01:40,867
In my opinion,
602
01:01:40,909 --> 01:01:43,745
I believe she had
to at least hear
603
01:01:43,828 --> 01:01:45,830
about the killings.
604
01:01:45,914 --> 01:01:50,377
Or she probably listened
to some orders
605
01:01:50,460 --> 01:01:53,880
given to kill someone
by her husband.
606
01:01:55,215 --> 01:01:56,966
During the whole trial,
607
01:01:57,092 --> 01:02:00,345
she didn't have
any expression of surprise.
608
01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:20,824
Throughout much of the trial,
609
01:02:20,865 --> 01:02:24,494
Emma had been really stoic
until Lucero's testimony.
610
01:02:25,161 --> 01:02:28,873
Lucero was one of the women
in Chapo's trial
611
01:02:28,915 --> 01:02:30,333
who was a lover of his,
612
01:02:30,375 --> 01:02:32,460
but she was also quite
entrenched in the business.
613
01:02:35,547 --> 01:02:38,466
Lucero immediately asserts
ownership over El Chapo.
614
01:02:38,508 --> 01:02:42,512
She refers to him as
"my husband, Joaquin."
615
01:02:42,595 --> 01:02:45,598
And Emma, she's having
a little bit of a hard time.
616
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:50,145
That's when you saw the woman.
617
01:03:14,544 --> 01:03:19,090
The day after Lucero's
first day of testimony,
618
01:03:19,174 --> 01:03:21,384
everybody looks from Emma
to El Chapo
619
01:03:21,468 --> 01:03:23,762
and we realize that
they're wearing matching
620
01:03:23,803 --> 01:03:25,764
maroon velvet blazers.
621
01:03:42,113 --> 01:03:44,407
It sort of felt like
this was Emma's way of asserting
622
01:03:44,449 --> 01:03:46,076
ownership over her husband.
623
01:03:47,035 --> 01:03:50,080
You're referring to my husband
as your husband,
624
01:03:50,121 --> 01:03:52,207
but he is with me
625
01:03:52,290 --> 01:03:55,001
and he is saying that
through what he's wearing.
626
01:04:04,219 --> 01:04:06,680
Literally after
that day of testimony,
627
01:04:06,805 --> 01:04:08,348
I looked at Emma and I said,
628
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:10,934
"Oh, what's this
with the jackets?"
629
01:04:11,101 --> 01:04:13,395
And she looked at me
and she smiled and she said,
630
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,189
"Que coincidencia."
What a coincidence.
631
01:04:20,026 --> 01:04:22,237
Let me get the door!
Outta the way. Out of the way.
632
01:04:22,404 --> 01:04:25,073
There was also a cloud
of suspicion around her,
633
01:04:25,156 --> 01:04:27,617
because there's this sense
that any moment,
634
01:04:27,701 --> 01:04:29,911
that she could be implicated.
635
01:04:31,413 --> 01:04:33,581
During the trial,
636
01:04:33,665 --> 01:04:35,750
there were a couple
of mentions of her,
637
01:04:35,875 --> 01:04:39,838
but really Emma
wasn't implicated publicly
638
01:04:40,005 --> 01:04:42,716
until Domaso Lopez.
639
01:04:45,677 --> 01:04:49,639
{\an8}Damaso Lopez was the godfather
640
01:04:49,723 --> 01:04:52,434
of one of Chapo's twins
with Emma.
641
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,979
He was his right hand
at the end.
642
01:04:56,062 --> 01:04:59,774
He was there with one purpose.
643
01:04:59,858 --> 01:05:04,738
To describe how he escaped.
644
01:05:06,031 --> 01:05:07,824
Who was involved.
645
01:05:07,949 --> 01:05:11,327
This was when other people
in the room started to see
646
01:05:11,494 --> 01:05:14,706
that there was more to Emma
than her curvaceous figure
647
01:05:14,748 --> 01:05:16,332
and her nice outfits.
648
01:05:24,215 --> 01:05:26,593
Damaso Lopez Nunez testified
649
01:05:26,676 --> 01:05:29,220
that Emma did take part
in the escape.
650
01:05:31,306 --> 01:05:33,850
Damaso's orchestrating things
from the outside
651
01:05:33,892 --> 01:05:36,144
while Chapo's orchestrating
things from the inside.
652
01:05:36,227 --> 01:05:38,938
And Emma is that go-between.
653
01:05:39,731 --> 01:05:41,566
Her role intensifies
654
01:05:41,649 --> 01:05:44,277
as the plans continue
to take shape.
655
01:05:45,779 --> 01:05:48,698
She allegedly is quite likely
656
01:05:48,740 --> 01:05:54,037
the very person who sneaks
a GPS device to El Chapo
657
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,749
so that they can determine his
exact coordinates in the cell.
658
01:05:59,209 --> 01:06:02,045
And I think when people realize
that thing that El Chapo
659
01:06:02,128 --> 01:06:03,463
was most famous for...
660
01:06:03,630 --> 01:06:05,173
{\an8}El Chapo has done it again.
661
01:06:05,256 --> 01:06:06,466
{\an8}The spectacular escape...
662
01:06:06,591 --> 01:06:08,635
...was in part helped by Emma.
663
01:06:09,803 --> 01:06:11,513
That was an interesting
mindshift.
664
01:06:11,638 --> 01:06:13,390
When people stopped looking
just at Chapo
665
01:06:13,515 --> 01:06:15,475
and started turning to the woman
sitting alone
666
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,686
on the second row in court.
667
01:06:28,363 --> 01:06:30,573
In testimony during
El Chapo's trial,
668
01:06:30,699 --> 01:06:34,202
it comes out that she had a part
in his escape.
669
01:06:48,425 --> 01:06:51,803
She had the option
to never come back.
670
01:06:51,845 --> 01:06:53,096
"Okay, they're talking about me,
671
01:06:53,179 --> 01:06:55,098
I'm going to get
the hell out of here
672
01:06:55,181 --> 01:06:57,517
and good luck finding me
in Mexico."
673
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,060
- Walk away.
- 'Scuse me.
674
01:06:59,978 --> 01:07:00,979
Come on now.
675
01:07:01,021 --> 01:07:02,731
Move out the way of the vehicle!
676
01:07:03,356 --> 01:07:04,899
But she didn't do that.
677
01:07:05,483 --> 01:07:06,735
Hey!
678
01:07:32,427 --> 01:07:34,220
I'm not...
I can't answer that.
679
01:08:18,556 --> 01:08:20,809
They took days deliberating.
680
01:08:21,309 --> 01:08:25,397
Then I remember that, y'know,
we're all just anxious, waiting.
681
01:08:26,731 --> 01:08:30,819
Minutes ago, a federal jury
here in the eastern district
682
01:08:30,860 --> 01:08:36,157
convicted Joaquin "El Chapo"
Guzman Loera
683
01:08:36,282 --> 01:08:38,034
on all counts.
684
01:08:38,118 --> 01:08:42,997
The jury found that Guzman led
the Sinaloa cartel.
685
01:08:43,081 --> 01:08:45,583
And that he's responsible
for the smuggling
686
01:08:45,667 --> 01:08:48,586
of massive amounts of narcotics
into the United States
687
01:08:48,628 --> 01:08:50,964
and violence, including murders,
688
01:08:51,131 --> 01:08:54,384
his conviction will bring
a sentence of life
689
01:08:54,467 --> 01:08:57,429
without the possibility
of parole.
690
01:08:57,554 --> 01:09:00,890
It is a sentence from which
there is no escape
691
01:09:00,932 --> 01:09:02,350
and no return.
692
01:09:09,649 --> 01:09:11,401
Guys! Come on! Come on!
693
01:09:33,506 --> 01:09:36,426
We were disappointed.
Still, we were sad.
694
01:09:37,302 --> 01:09:40,388
But our client Guzman
was the one that kept on saying,
695
01:09:40,472 --> 01:09:42,599
you know what, guys,
you did a great job.
696
01:09:43,141 --> 01:09:46,144
Ultimately, I think they
couldn't get past the fact
697
01:09:46,269 --> 01:09:48,855
that it was "El Chapo" Guzman,
you know.
698
01:09:50,899 --> 01:09:53,360
{\an8}There was no doubt in my mind
he was going to be convicted.
699
01:09:55,028 --> 01:09:57,947
When he was convicted,
it was a great moment.
700
01:09:58,782 --> 01:10:01,743
What we wanted to do
was show the world
701
01:10:01,826 --> 01:10:03,328
that the rule of law works.
702
01:10:03,953 --> 01:10:06,790
If you ruin lives
and you murder people,
703
01:10:06,873 --> 01:10:08,792
we will come get you,
704
01:10:08,833 --> 01:10:11,795
no matter how big or how rich
or how famous you are,
705
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,505
and you will stand trial,
706
01:10:13,630 --> 01:10:16,424
and you will be punished
if you're found guilty.
707
01:10:17,300 --> 01:10:19,886
To those individuals
out there
708
01:10:19,969 --> 01:10:21,888
that are involved
in drug trafficking as
709
01:10:22,013 --> 01:10:23,807
El Chapo was,
710
01:10:23,890 --> 01:10:26,309
you are not unreachable,
711
01:10:26,393 --> 01:10:29,270
you are not untouchable,
712
01:10:29,396 --> 01:10:32,065
and your day will come.
713
01:11:42,218 --> 01:11:44,429
The wife of the world's
most notorious drug lord,
714
01:11:44,471 --> 01:11:47,724
Emma Coronel Aispuro,
arrested Monday.
715
01:11:48,558 --> 01:11:52,020
Coronel is charged with both
conspiring with her husband
716
01:11:52,103 --> 01:11:55,732
to distribute drugs
and conspiring with El Chapo
717
01:11:55,815 --> 01:11:59,027
to spring him from
a Mexican supermax prison.
718
01:11:59,778 --> 01:12:03,531
{\an8}She got arrested and I flew
into DC that same night.
719
01:12:03,573 --> 01:12:06,368
{\an8}After that, then we started
working on the case.
720
01:12:06,451 --> 01:12:08,953
Did she ever consider
going to trial?
721
01:12:08,995 --> 01:12:15,001
No, because she has
two daughters that needed her
722
01:12:15,085 --> 01:12:17,295
and if she went to trial
and lost,
723
01:12:17,379 --> 01:12:19,964
she could have faced
life in prison.
724
01:12:22,342 --> 01:12:24,386
After Emma was arrested,
725
01:12:24,511 --> 01:12:28,306
we began corresponding
while she was incarcerated.
726
01:12:33,770 --> 01:12:38,441
She spends some really gruelling
first few days in Virginia
727
01:12:38,525 --> 01:12:40,694
as she waits for her court date.
728
01:12:42,237 --> 01:12:44,781
She was on her period
when she was arrested
729
01:12:44,906 --> 01:12:50,578
and they gave her like, two pads
the entire four days.
730
01:12:51,371 --> 01:12:53,415
And they also wouldn't let her
take a shower,
731
01:12:53,540 --> 01:12:55,375
and she didn't know
how to ask for a shower
732
01:12:55,500 --> 01:12:57,293
and so she was like,
on the phone
733
01:12:57,377 --> 01:12:59,254
with one of her lawyers, Mariel,
734
01:12:59,337 --> 01:13:02,090
and Mariel is like,
spelling out S-H-O--
735
01:13:04,175 --> 01:13:05,802
"Blanket,"
that was another word
736
01:13:05,844 --> 01:13:09,264
that I helped her with,
because she was cold, so...
737
01:13:09,305 --> 01:13:11,808
She is, you know,
put in solitary,
738
01:13:11,933 --> 01:13:14,602
which of course, they say
they do for her safety
739
01:13:14,686 --> 01:13:16,938
and there was certainly
a safety element to it,
740
01:13:17,022 --> 01:13:19,274
but that's also
incredibly lonely.
741
01:13:49,054 --> 01:13:51,348
The wife of jailed
Mexican drug lord
742
01:13:51,389 --> 01:13:54,225
Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman
is reportedly going to plead
743
01:13:54,351 --> 01:13:55,810
guilty this morning.
744
01:14:05,070 --> 01:14:06,279
I'm going to be brief.
745
01:14:06,738 --> 01:14:09,074
She got a 36-month sentence.
746
01:14:09,491 --> 01:14:10,617
Vaya con dios.
747
01:15:30,947 --> 01:15:33,783
The wife of the infamous
Mexican drug lord known
748
01:15:33,867 --> 01:15:36,703
as El Chapo was released
from federal custody today.
749
01:15:36,786 --> 01:15:39,372
As part of her release,
she will have to be supervised
750
01:15:39,414 --> 01:15:40,790
for four years.
751
01:15:40,874 --> 01:15:43,585
And she will have to give up
$1.5 million dollars.
752
01:15:45,628 --> 01:15:48,173
The money issue is really
an interesting...
753
01:15:48,882 --> 01:15:52,218
Chapo asked to turn over more
than 12 and a half billion.
754
01:15:52,260 --> 01:15:56,681
That might not even be
all of what they've accumulated.
755
01:15:56,765 --> 01:15:58,641
And where do you think
the money is?
756
01:15:58,725 --> 01:16:00,685
That's a good question. Um...
757
01:16:02,062 --> 01:16:04,064
I wish I knew.
758
01:16:04,189 --> 01:16:06,566
There was a joke in the team,
759
01:16:06,691 --> 01:16:08,526
that Chapo's money was like
760
01:16:08,568 --> 01:16:11,154
the last scene
of Raiders of the Lost Ark.
761
01:16:11,196 --> 01:16:14,616
Somewhere, instead of just being
one crate, there's like,
762
01:16:14,699 --> 01:16:16,868
5,000 crates
stacked full of money
763
01:16:16,993 --> 01:16:18,953
and some little guy's just
pushing them through a warehouse
764
01:16:19,037 --> 01:16:20,663
some place.
765
01:16:20,747 --> 01:16:23,333
You know. It's out there.
766
01:16:24,793 --> 01:16:27,253
And do you think that
she has access to any of it?
767
01:16:27,295 --> 01:16:28,922
You know, I don't know.
768
01:16:28,963 --> 01:16:30,674
That would be incredibly
dangerous for her
769
01:16:30,757 --> 01:16:34,803
because it would only lead to
her getting more time in prison.
770
01:18:00,889 --> 01:18:03,683
I wrote a corrido about Emma,
yeah, a song about Emma.
771
01:18:03,767 --> 01:18:05,727
La Senora.
772
01:18:19,866 --> 01:18:21,743
I'm still a full-time attorney,
773
01:18:21,868 --> 01:18:24,788
but now I also have
another full-time career,
774
01:18:24,913 --> 01:18:26,498
which is singing.
775
01:18:29,459 --> 01:18:32,087
The song is 100 percent
inspired by her.
776
01:18:32,212 --> 01:18:34,881
The message is people
should not judge you
777
01:18:34,964 --> 01:18:37,509
based on one bad season
of your life.
778
01:18:37,592 --> 01:18:40,553
She's a boss of her own destiny,
of her own life.
779
01:18:41,262 --> 01:18:43,098
The video appearance
with Mariel,
780
01:18:43,223 --> 01:18:45,433
Emma is playing the part
of cartel boss
781
01:18:45,517 --> 01:18:47,310
when she clearly wasn't.
782
01:18:47,352 --> 01:18:48,895
She was a cartel boss wife.
783
01:18:48,978 --> 01:18:51,940
That fascinates people too,
about her.
784
01:18:52,023 --> 01:18:53,942
She's a little big enigmatic
785
01:18:54,025 --> 01:18:57,362
and very much controls
the way she projects herself
786
01:18:57,404 --> 01:18:58,655
to the world.
787
01:19:11,042 --> 01:19:13,920
Whether she can escape
the cartel
788
01:19:13,962 --> 01:19:15,797
is sort of a question
of her own making
789
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,091
because she's also so famous
790
01:19:18,174 --> 01:19:20,468
and it's a fame
that she's cultivated.
791
01:19:23,304 --> 01:19:26,641
But I think I would be treading
very carefully from now on,
792
01:19:26,725 --> 01:19:28,101
were I her,
793
01:19:28,184 --> 01:19:32,230
in terms of what she says
about her life
794
01:19:32,355 --> 01:19:33,773
before she was incarcerated.
795
01:19:36,860 --> 01:19:38,653
Many of the people
796
01:19:38,737 --> 01:19:41,114
that she was involved with
during that time
797
01:19:41,156 --> 01:19:43,950
remain in Mexico's
criminal underworld.
798
01:19:43,992 --> 01:19:46,494
So they're going to be
watching very closely,
799
01:19:46,536 --> 01:19:49,039
everything she says
and everything she does.
800
01:19:49,164 --> 01:19:52,584
Though I'm sure she's deeply
conscious of that.
801
01:20:00,133 --> 01:20:02,761
We live in a day and age
802
01:20:02,844 --> 01:20:06,097
where a lot of people
are obsessed with true crime.
803
01:20:06,222 --> 01:20:08,641
It gives you your bad guys,
it gives you your good guys,
804
01:20:08,725 --> 01:20:11,311
it tells you the people
that you get to root for.
805
01:20:12,645 --> 01:20:16,524
The thing is, there's no story
that is that black and white.
806
01:20:16,649 --> 01:20:19,736
And certainly when you have
a 17-year-old
807
01:20:19,819 --> 01:20:22,739
who is married
to a high-powered drug lord,
808
01:20:22,781 --> 01:20:25,408
what was she supposed to do?
809
01:20:25,492 --> 01:20:27,118
She couldn't tell him no.
810
01:20:27,869 --> 01:20:29,704
Is a 17-year-old really capable
811
01:20:29,788 --> 01:20:31,790
of making such
a crucial decision
812
01:20:31,873 --> 01:20:33,208
that's going to impact
the rest of her life?
813
01:20:33,333 --> 01:20:35,043
I don't think
she was mature enough
814
01:20:35,168 --> 01:20:36,503
to make that decision.
815
01:20:36,628 --> 01:20:39,214
But unfortunately,
the way that the world works,
816
01:20:39,255 --> 01:20:41,758
it's something that she's going
to have to live with.
817
01:20:41,883 --> 01:20:45,595
As most people see it,
she chose evil over good.
818
01:20:49,140 --> 01:20:51,893
The war on drugs,
it's already lost.
819
01:20:52,852 --> 01:20:55,980
And around 200 people die
820
01:20:56,022 --> 01:20:58,316
every 24 hours in the US.
821
01:20:58,400 --> 01:20:59,567
By an overdose.
822
01:21:00,485 --> 01:21:02,987
Nobody knows exactly
the number of people
823
01:21:03,113 --> 01:21:06,282
who already died in Mexico
because of the war on drugs.
824
01:21:08,576 --> 01:21:09,994
Narco traffickers
825
01:21:10,036 --> 01:21:12,372
don't see anything wrong.
826
01:21:12,455 --> 01:21:14,666
They don't feel any guilt.
827
01:21:14,749 --> 01:21:19,045
They see Narco traffic
as a normal business.
828
01:21:19,671 --> 01:21:21,506
And people die
829
01:21:21,589 --> 01:21:24,050
because of the nature
of the business.
830
01:21:25,343 --> 01:21:27,470
She was living off the profits
831
01:21:27,512 --> 01:21:30,849
of all the poison that
the Sinaloa cartel had sold.
832
01:21:30,890 --> 01:21:33,059
That's part of the crime.
833
01:21:33,143 --> 01:21:35,103
I think she got a good deal.
834
01:21:35,186 --> 01:21:37,897
And she did her time.
835
01:21:37,981 --> 01:21:39,566
She's not the perfect victim
836
01:21:39,691 --> 01:21:42,777
but she's also not
your quintessential criminal.
837
01:21:43,737 --> 01:21:45,363
She was a pawn in a game
838
01:21:45,488 --> 01:21:48,158
that she very much learned
how to play
839
01:21:48,241 --> 01:21:50,535
and she found a way
to get out of the game.
840
01:21:50,577 --> 01:21:52,954
And most people don't do that.
841
01:21:53,079 --> 01:21:54,664
There's good and there's bad,
like I said.
842
01:21:54,789 --> 01:21:57,667
And I don't think that
some of the life choices
843
01:21:57,792 --> 01:22:00,045
should define a person.
844
01:22:00,170 --> 01:22:01,713
She's learned a lot,
845
01:22:01,796 --> 01:22:03,965
and I think that
at the end of the day,
846
01:22:04,049 --> 01:22:07,719
she is ready
to put this past her
847
01:22:07,802 --> 01:22:11,097
and start fresh
with her daughters.
848
01:23:13,660 --> 01:23:15,203
Is there anything
else that...
849
01:23:15,328 --> 01:23:17,372
No, I think
it's good.