WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.LT 2 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.LT 3 00:00:51.968 --> 00:00:53.928 line:5% Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán. 4 00:00:54.012 --> 00:00:55.472 Public Enemy Number One. 5 00:00:55.555 --> 00:00:59.184 Head of the notorious Sinaloa drug cartel. 6 00:00:59.267 --> 00:01:03.146 The largest drug trafficking organization in the world. 7 00:01:03.229 --> 00:01:05.023 El Chapo became almost 8 00:01:05.106 --> 00:01:07.942 mythological when he escapes through a tunnel. 9 00:01:08.026 --> 00:01:10.653 Guzmán was last seen on a security camera 10 00:01:10.737 --> 00:01:13.365 entering a shower area, slipped into a hole, 11 00:01:13.448 --> 00:01:15.200 into an elaborate tunnel. 12 00:01:15.283 --> 00:01:16.576 He becomes the GOAT of prison escapes. 13 00:01:17.994 --> 00:01:19.996 I mean, you can't make things like that up! 14 00:01:20.038 --> 00:01:22.290 It's something that would be like written for the movies. 15 00:01:25.669 --> 00:01:27.295 They had to put out a manhunt for him. 16 00:01:30.632 --> 00:01:32.258 Arriba! Arriba! 17 00:01:32.342 --> 00:01:33.593 line:5% And El Chapo was arrested. 18 00:01:33.718 --> 00:01:37.639 Finally back in custody, after 13 years on the run. 19 00:01:37.722 --> 00:01:41.476 And he is very quickly extradited to the US. 20 00:01:41.518 --> 00:01:44.062 The narco-trafficker Trial of the Century. 21 00:01:44.187 --> 00:01:46.690 - Make way! - Make way! Let's go! 22 00:01:46.773 --> 00:01:48.358 One constant fixture in the courtroom 23 00:01:48.483 --> 00:01:51.111 has been Guzmán's wife of more than 10 years. 24 00:01:51.194 --> 00:01:53.029 - Former beauty queen. - Beauty queen. 25 00:01:53.113 --> 00:01:56.032 Former beauty queen Emma Coronel. 26 00:01:56.116 --> 00:01:59.411 There's an idea in daily journalism of the "get," 27 00:01:59.536 --> 00:02:01.246 the best thing you could possibly have 28 00:02:01.329 --> 00:02:02.956 on the story, and that was her. 29 00:02:02.997 --> 00:02:05.583 All our editors were like, "Get her!" 30 00:02:06.501 --> 00:02:10.839 People wanted to know how this young lady was married to this 31 00:02:10.964 --> 00:02:13.091 man who was significantly older. 32 00:02:13.174 --> 00:02:15.677 18 and 50, people thought that was just gross. 33 00:02:16.678 --> 00:02:19.389 There was a cloud of suspicion around her. 34 00:02:19.472 --> 00:02:23.893 She herself is just one small step removed from bloodshed. 35 00:02:23.977 --> 00:02:28.648 Witness testimonies portray him as a killer. 36 00:02:29.941 --> 00:02:33.486 Authorities attribute 10,000 murders to El Chapo's gang. 37 00:02:33.570 --> 00:02:38.158 You can't make this glamorous life on the souls of the people 38 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:39.409 that have been tortured and killed, 39 00:02:39.534 --> 00:02:41.953 and not expect to have to answer to it. 40 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:43.955 There's this sense at any moment, 41 00:02:43.997 --> 00:02:45.999 that she could be implicated. 42 00:02:48.793 --> 00:02:51.004 And in fact, we know that later she was. 43 00:02:52.172 --> 00:02:54.215 "The wife of the world's most notorious drug lord, 44 00:02:54.382 --> 00:02:55.967 arrested Monday." 45 00:02:56.885 --> 00:02:58.595 That was an interesting mind shift, 46 00:02:58.678 --> 00:03:00.847 when people stopped looking just at Chapo 47 00:03:00.930 --> 00:03:02.682 and started looking at her. 48 00:03:02.807 --> 00:03:04.851 America wants to know, how do you feel, ma'am? 49 00:03:04.976 --> 00:03:07.479 America wants to know how you feel? 50 00:03:07.645 --> 00:03:08.813 There's so much she hasnt shared. 51 00:03:08.897 --> 00:03:11.191 What she saw, and what she learned. 52 00:03:11.274 --> 00:03:12.817 Who is this woman? 53 00:03:12.942 --> 00:03:14.861 What exactly is her role, here? 54 00:03:14.903 --> 00:03:16.071 Is she really kind of a mastermind? 55 00:03:16.196 --> 00:03:19.699 Or, is she a victim of circumstances 56 00:03:19.824 --> 00:03:21.117 beyond her control? 57 00:03:52.565 --> 00:03:54.693 line:5% Opening statements in the case 58 00:03:54.776 --> 00:03:57.529 line:5% against drug kingpin Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán 59 00:03:57.654 --> 00:03:58.655 line:5% are being held at the Federal Courthouse 60 00:03:58.780 --> 00:03:59.739 line:5% in Brooklyn this morning. 61 00:03:59.823 --> 00:04:01.783 line:5% Guzmán is the head 62 00:04:01.866 --> 00:04:04.744 line:5% of the notorious Sinaloa drug cartel. 63 00:04:04.828 --> 00:04:08.456 line:5% The largest drug trafficking organization in the world. 64 00:04:09.457 --> 00:04:11.459 I was working as a crime reporter, 65 00:04:11.584 --> 00:04:13.086 and I got a call from my editor. 66 00:04:13.253 --> 00:04:15.296 And he was like, "You speak Spanish, right?" 67 00:04:15.422 --> 00:04:16.631 And I was like, "Yes." 68 00:04:16.756 --> 00:04:18.425 And he's like, "Do you wanna cover El Chapo's trial?" 69 00:04:18.550 --> 00:04:19.968 And I immediately said yes! 70 00:04:20.051 --> 00:04:21.469 This is, you know the Trial of the Century. 71 00:04:21.553 --> 00:04:24.055 I remember a lot of police, 72 00:04:24.139 --> 00:04:26.641 waiting for a war or something. 73 00:04:26.766 --> 00:04:29.602 A lot of journalists outside. 74 00:04:29.686 --> 00:04:32.147 line:5% It's the New York press corps, the national press corps, 75 00:04:32.272 --> 00:04:34.065 line:5% it's all the Spanish language press. 76 00:04:34.107 --> 00:04:35.233 And they're all getting there 77 00:04:35.316 --> 00:04:37.819 before dawn, lined up. 78 00:04:37.944 --> 00:04:41.948 I spent nights sleeping in a sleeping bag, waiting to get in. 79 00:04:42.073 --> 00:04:45.035 There was this huge energy, 80 00:04:45.118 --> 00:04:46.786 in part because of the fame and notoriety. 81 00:04:46.870 --> 00:04:49.372 Federal authorities were terrified that he would somehow 82 00:04:49.414 --> 00:04:50.832 escape, again! 83 00:04:50.874 --> 00:04:52.792 But really, it was the Trial of the Century 84 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:55.962 because no capo had ever done this before. 85 00:04:56.046 --> 00:04:59.007 Gone to trial and had everything splayed out. 86 00:05:00.717 --> 00:05:01.968 El Chapo pleaded not guilty. 87 00:05:02.010 --> 00:05:03.678 He's facing serious counts here, 88 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:06.598 including drug making, distribution, 89 00:05:06.681 --> 00:05:08.516 running a criminal enterprise. 90 00:05:08.558 --> 00:05:11.186 That he engaged in murder conspiracy. 91 00:05:11.311 --> 00:05:12.228 Drug and gun charges. 92 00:05:12.312 --> 00:05:13.688 And money laundering. 93 00:05:14.522 --> 00:05:16.232 An avalanche of evidence. 94 00:05:16.274 --> 00:05:18.026 56 witnesses. 95 00:05:18.193 --> 00:05:20.612 Full of graphic testimony on how prosecutors say 96 00:05:20.695 --> 00:05:23.031 the drug lord carried out his operation. 97 00:05:23.156 --> 00:05:24.824 Involved in gruesome murders. 98 00:05:24.908 --> 00:05:27.494 Known to personally torture and kill his enemies. 99 00:05:27.577 --> 00:05:29.412 If Guzmán is found guilty, 100 00:05:29.537 --> 00:05:31.539 he will spend the rest of his life in a federal prison. 101 00:05:34.918 --> 00:05:36.628 Guys, back up! Come on, give her some space! 102 00:05:36.711 --> 00:05:38.254 - Come on back! - Back up! 103 00:05:38.380 --> 00:05:42.258 The more I watched Emma, while everybody else watched Chapo, 104 00:05:42.300 --> 00:05:45.136 I became convinced she was a more interesting story. 105 00:05:45.220 --> 00:05:47.389 Thank you. Good luck. 106 00:05:47.472 --> 00:05:50.892 There was lots of debate among all of us about what exactly 107 00:05:51.059 --> 00:05:52.686 is her role here? 108 00:05:52.852 --> 00:05:55.605 We're analyzing literally any little tidbit. 109 00:05:55.689 --> 00:05:58.274 Every reaction, every outfit. 110 00:05:59.818 --> 00:06:03.697 We have to make notes, what she was wearing everyday. 111 00:06:03.738 --> 00:06:06.908 And I did it in my case, against my will. 112 00:06:06.991 --> 00:06:09.119 Yes, her outfits were great, 113 00:06:09.202 --> 00:06:10.620 but there was more to her than that. 114 00:06:10.704 --> 00:06:13.456 We would watch her during the proceedings, 115 00:06:13.540 --> 00:06:15.917 for details that might somehow implicate her. 116 00:06:17.627 --> 00:06:20.672 If there's a gruesome murder being discussed! 117 00:06:20.755 --> 00:06:23.758 Each and every one of us in that courtroom was eagle-eyed 118 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:26.678 to try to see if there were tears in her eyes. 119 00:06:27.679 --> 00:06:30.348 She was very stoic. 120 00:06:30.432 --> 00:06:32.142 She didn't react. 121 00:06:32.267 --> 00:06:35.437 She didn't move a nerve on her face. 122 00:06:35.603 --> 00:06:40.525 That's when you find out that she's not normal people. 123 00:07:55.183 --> 00:07:56.434 line:5% Mm-hmm. 124 00:09:26.900 --> 00:09:28.401 line:5% After the trial, 125 00:09:28.485 --> 00:09:30.653 line:5% I wanted to see a different perspective. 126 00:09:30.737 --> 00:09:32.864 So, I went to Mexico. 127 00:09:32.947 --> 00:09:34.532 line:5% Emma wasn't there, 128 00:09:34.574 --> 00:09:37.202 line:5% but I met up with her family. 129 00:09:37.285 --> 00:09:38.411 line:5% I said, you know, "I've seen the trial, 130 00:09:38.495 --> 00:09:40.538 line:5% now I want to see the other side." 131 00:09:40.580 --> 00:09:41.831 And they said, "Okay." 132 00:09:44.709 --> 00:09:49.214 When she was 17, Emma wanted to be a model, 133 00:09:49.297 --> 00:09:53.635 and decided to run for this pageant. 134 00:09:56.304 --> 00:09:58.306 In order to campaign for votes, 135 00:09:58.431 --> 00:10:00.725 she would attend these local parties. 136 00:10:00.809 --> 00:10:04.020 The parties leading up to the beauty pageant had a reputation, 137 00:10:04.104 --> 00:10:05.772 a lot of narcos will come to, 138 00:10:05.855 --> 00:10:08.817 you know, watch the young ladies, right? 139 00:10:08.900 --> 00:10:12.779 These are teenage girls, and these are men, 140 00:10:12.862 --> 00:10:14.155 some of them rather old men. 141 00:10:48.982 --> 00:10:51.609 line:5% Emma meets Chapo 142 00:10:51.693 --> 00:10:52.944 line:5% on the dancefloor. 143 00:10:53.028 --> 00:10:56.573 Chapo, at which point is already a fugitive, 144 00:10:56.614 --> 00:11:00.035 after this violent incident at the Guadalajara airport. 145 00:11:02.495 --> 00:11:05.040 line:5% So in 1993, when Emma is three years old, 146 00:11:05.081 --> 00:11:07.751 El Chapo is involved in a high profile shootout, 147 00:11:07.792 --> 00:11:10.962 resulting in the death of the Cardinal of Mexico. 148 00:11:11.046 --> 00:11:14.674 Chapo is arrested, he is put in high security prison 149 00:11:14.758 --> 00:11:16.551 and that was the end of it. 150 00:11:16.676 --> 00:11:20.764 Until his first escape, when she was 11 years old. 151 00:11:20.847 --> 00:11:23.433 And from that moment on, 152 00:11:23.516 --> 00:11:26.061 There was, you know, a bounty on his head, 153 00:11:26.186 --> 00:11:28.772 and he became a famous narco. 154 00:11:28.855 --> 00:11:32.901 He has this larger than life outlaw story. 155 00:11:32.984 --> 00:11:35.653 Chapo Guzmán actually invented the border tunnel. 156 00:11:35.737 --> 00:11:38.782 Drug tunnels, carrying a river of drugs into the United States. 157 00:11:39.991 --> 00:11:41.159 Everybody was looking for Chapo. 158 00:11:41.284 --> 00:11:44.412 See, his face was on the TV, on the newspapers. 159 00:11:44.496 --> 00:11:47.582 Chapo, Chapo, Chapo, Chapo, Chapo. 160 00:11:49.042 --> 00:11:53.672 Nobody knows how many times they tried to catch him. 161 00:13:52.499 --> 00:13:53.583 line:5% Chapo and Emma continued 162 00:13:53.625 --> 00:13:55.543 line:5% their relationship. 163 00:13:55.627 --> 00:13:57.921 The beauty pageant votes come in, 164 00:13:58.004 --> 00:13:59.381 and she wins. 165 00:14:12.686 --> 00:14:14.104 line:5% She is crowned 166 00:14:14.187 --> 00:14:15.980 line:5% Reina de Festival in February, 167 00:14:16.022 --> 00:14:20.110 and in July of that same year, 168 00:14:20.193 --> 00:14:22.987 her 18th birthday, she's married to El Chapo. 169 00:15:05.321 --> 00:15:07.198 line:5% When you have an 18 year old 170 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:08.616 married to one of the most 171 00:15:08.700 --> 00:15:11.453 powerful drug dealers of all time, 172 00:15:11.494 --> 00:15:13.872 you get about as little agency as possible. 173 00:15:13.997 --> 00:15:17.042 You know, if you believe in "Me Too" at all... 174 00:15:17.125 --> 00:15:19.377 18 and 50, that was the gross power dynamic 175 00:15:19.461 --> 00:15:23.673 from an age perspective, from a power standpoint. 176 00:15:23.798 --> 00:15:26.176 That's not a man you say no to. 177 00:15:41.024 --> 00:15:42.817 line:5% The wedding makes headlines. 178 00:15:42.984 --> 00:15:45.528 Local politicians are there, there's lots of interest, 179 00:15:45.612 --> 00:15:47.739 so of course, Mexican authorities, 180 00:15:47.781 --> 00:15:49.074 you know, descend on the town. 181 00:16:09.886 --> 00:16:11.638 The wedding makes headlines. 182 00:16:11.680 --> 00:16:13.306 There's lots of interest, so of course, 183 00:16:13.390 --> 00:16:14.891 Mexican authorities descend on the town, 184 00:16:14.974 --> 00:16:16.267 looking for El Chapo. 185 00:16:25.819 --> 00:16:28.738 line:5% He was just ahead of the game. 186 00:16:28.822 --> 00:16:31.574 I started with the DEA in 1987, 187 00:16:31.658 --> 00:16:32.909 and by the early 90s, 188 00:16:32.992 --> 00:16:36.287 one of our main targets was El Chapo Guzmán. 189 00:16:36.413 --> 00:16:40.542 By 2007, he'd already been indicted in the United States 190 00:16:40.667 --> 00:16:42.711 for trafficking massive amounts of cocaine. 191 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:46.673 We always would work with Mexican authorities. 192 00:16:46.756 --> 00:16:48.133 0600, yes. 193 00:16:48.174 --> 00:16:50.677 The problem was back then, 194 00:16:50.760 --> 00:16:53.722 corruption is such an integral part of how 195 00:16:53.805 --> 00:16:55.223 the law enforcement worked. 196 00:16:55.348 --> 00:16:57.851 We knew that people were tipping him off, saying, 197 00:16:57.934 --> 00:17:00.061 "Don't go here, be sure to go there." 198 00:17:00.979 --> 00:17:02.022 It was a cat-and-mouse game, 199 00:17:02.147 --> 00:17:04.315 except the mouse had all the cards. 200 00:17:06.526 --> 00:17:10.613 We first heard of Emma right about the time of the marriage. 201 00:17:10.739 --> 00:17:13.283 A lot of us had daughters that were Emma's age, 202 00:17:13.324 --> 00:17:15.493 and she's married Chapo, 203 00:17:15.577 --> 00:17:18.288 the most wanted man probably in the Western Hemisphere, 204 00:17:18.413 --> 00:17:19.998 if not the world. 205 00:17:20.123 --> 00:17:23.460 I think as a parent, you kind of like get that stomach twist, 206 00:17:23.543 --> 00:17:26.421 "Oh, that's not good!" 207 00:17:30.550 --> 00:17:34.804 After they married, Emma moves to Culiacán. 208 00:17:34.846 --> 00:17:36.056 It's the capital of Sinaloa, 209 00:17:36.139 --> 00:17:38.266 it's also the capital of cartel headquarters. 210 00:17:38.391 --> 00:17:40.518 And during this time, El Chapo's mostly hiding off 211 00:17:40.602 --> 00:17:41.936 in the mountains. 212 00:18:11.424 --> 00:18:12.634 line:5% Even though they were both 213 00:18:12.717 --> 00:18:15.095 line:5% in Mexico, it was a long-distance marriage. 214 00:18:15.136 --> 00:18:17.097 So a lot of it happens over text, 215 00:18:17.180 --> 00:18:19.557 and a lot of it is actually logistics. 216 00:19:37.761 --> 00:19:40.180 Gaviota. 217 00:19:44.809 --> 00:19:48.646 Gaviota! 218 00:20:55.005 --> 00:20:56.840 line:5% Around the time when 219 00:20:56.923 --> 00:20:59.134 line:5% Emma was married to El Chapo, 220 00:20:59.217 --> 00:21:03.722 you see this explosion of brutal, visceral violence 221 00:21:03.763 --> 00:21:05.473 in Mexico's criminal landscape. 222 00:21:07.267 --> 00:21:09.185 Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán is currently at war 223 00:21:09.310 --> 00:21:11.771 with the Juárez Cartel, with the Gulf Cartel, 224 00:21:11.896 --> 00:21:14.274 and with Arturo Beltrán Leyva. 225 00:21:14.357 --> 00:21:17.360 line:5% Local newspapers almost daily have headlines 226 00:21:17.485 --> 00:21:21.156 line:5% of the bloody violence of the drug cartels. 227 00:21:35.462 --> 00:21:37.297 line:5% In the past few years, 228 00:21:37.339 --> 00:21:40.675 line:5% Mexico has become one of the most dangerous places on earth. 229 00:21:52.187 --> 00:21:53.855 line:5% Narco-traffickers, 230 00:21:53.897 --> 00:21:56.691 line:5% they are the reason for a lot of death in Mexico, 231 00:21:56.775 --> 00:21:57.817 line:5% and in the US. 232 00:21:57.942 --> 00:21:59.527 I believe they don't care about the people. 233 00:21:59.652 --> 00:22:03.198 A normal people, they care about people. They don't. 234 00:22:03.323 --> 00:22:06.493 Chapo was in charge of death squads, 235 00:22:06.576 --> 00:22:09.037 that went to kill people who were loyal 236 00:22:09.120 --> 00:22:11.247 to the other factions. 237 00:22:11.331 --> 00:22:15.669 That kind of brutal violence upped the ante. 238 00:22:15.794 --> 00:22:18.254 I'm sure viewers will remember 239 00:22:18.296 --> 00:22:20.882 the tossing of heads onto a dance floor. 240 00:22:21.007 --> 00:22:24.260 Bodies hanging off bridges around that time. 241 00:22:26.012 --> 00:22:29.015 That's the terror they bring. The innocent people mostly, 242 00:22:29.140 --> 00:22:32.352 were in a constant state of fear or terror. 243 00:22:34.771 --> 00:22:38.274 People want to know what Emma witnessed, and what she learned 244 00:22:38.358 --> 00:22:42.153 during her time with El Chapo. 245 00:23:59.022 --> 00:24:00.482 line:5% So, over the next few years, 246 00:24:00.565 --> 00:24:03.151 line:5% Emma and Chapo continue this long-distance relationship, 247 00:24:03.276 --> 00:24:05.153 line:5% while he keeps evading the authorities. 248 00:24:36.685 --> 00:24:38.770 line:5% I think you see Emma take 249 00:24:38.812 --> 00:24:42.774 line:5% agency only really a few times in her early story. 250 00:24:42.857 --> 00:24:45.235 And one of those times is when she's pregnant 251 00:24:45.318 --> 00:24:46.528 with her twin daughters. 252 00:25:26.693 --> 00:25:28.653 line:5% We try to keep a bead 253 00:25:28.737 --> 00:25:31.865 line:5% on everyone that was in his circle. 254 00:25:31.990 --> 00:25:34.159 You did seem to be focused on Emma. 255 00:25:37.245 --> 00:25:40.832 We get word from a lookout that Emma and her family members 256 00:25:40.874 --> 00:25:43.918 have come in to the United States. 257 00:25:44.044 --> 00:25:47.797 We envision Chapo coming through one of the tunnels, 258 00:25:47.922 --> 00:25:50.258 and coming up and visiting her and the twins 259 00:25:50.383 --> 00:25:51.885 in the hospital. 260 00:25:51.968 --> 00:25:54.596 And if we were thinking he was gonna show up and visit, 261 00:25:54.637 --> 00:25:57.182 then one of the cartels he was at war with 262 00:25:57.265 --> 00:25:59.184 might think he's gonna show up and visit. 263 00:25:59.267 --> 00:26:02.896 And the last thing we wanted was another Guadalajara airport 264 00:26:02.937 --> 00:26:07.067 massacre happening here in the United States. 265 00:26:17.702 --> 00:26:21.998 We envision Chapo coming through one of the tunnels, 266 00:26:22.123 --> 00:26:24.542 and visiting her and the twins in the hospital. 267 00:26:24.584 --> 00:26:28.254 Would he do it? I don't know. It's like playing the lottery, 268 00:26:28.296 --> 00:26:29.964 you can't win unless you buy a ticket. 269 00:27:06.126 --> 00:27:07.585 line:5% We didn't have probable cause 270 00:27:07.669 --> 00:27:10.505 line:5% to arrest or detain them at the time, 271 00:27:10.588 --> 00:27:13.842 and it's not illegal to be married to a drug lord. 272 00:27:13.883 --> 00:27:15.760 But we set up surveillance around the hospital, 273 00:27:15.802 --> 00:27:17.429 partially to catch Chapo, 274 00:27:17.470 --> 00:27:21.349 partially as a security to make sure everything stayed safe. 275 00:28:26.456 --> 00:28:27.749 line:5% It's a pretty intimidating 276 00:28:27.874 --> 00:28:30.126 line:5% position to be in, I think, for her. 277 00:28:30.210 --> 00:28:32.545 If rivals are trying to get to your husband, 278 00:28:32.671 --> 00:28:34.964 and those rivals get hold of you instead, 279 00:28:35.090 --> 00:28:39.594 it's very common for violence to be meted out 280 00:28:39.719 --> 00:28:41.971 against the women of powerful narcos. 281 00:28:42.097 --> 00:28:43.431 Rape is a part of that, 282 00:28:43.556 --> 00:28:46.267 body mutilation is a part of that. 283 00:28:46.351 --> 00:28:48.645 You know, to send a message to the powerful men 284 00:28:48.728 --> 00:28:49.938 that they're associated with. 285 00:29:42.782 --> 00:29:43.950 line:5% There's a lot of myth 286 00:29:44.034 --> 00:29:46.036 line:5% that shrouds Emma's family. 287 00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:48.121 We know much more about sort of her family 288 00:29:48.246 --> 00:29:50.373 after El Chapo than before. 289 00:29:50.457 --> 00:29:53.918 Her father, he was certainly trafficking drugs afterwards. 290 00:29:54.002 --> 00:29:55.712 There's text exchanges that go to that, 291 00:29:55.795 --> 00:29:58.506 that were brought into the court record at El Chapo's trial. 292 00:31:03.321 --> 00:31:04.656 line:5% At this point, 293 00:31:04.781 --> 00:31:06.574 line:5% Emma's dealing with a lot. 294 00:31:06.616 --> 00:31:08.618 With the arrest of her father and brother, 295 00:31:08.660 --> 00:31:11.788 there is this sense that the Mexican authorities 296 00:31:11.830 --> 00:31:13.331 are closing in. 297 00:31:13.415 --> 00:31:14.749 There would of course been the fear 298 00:31:14.791 --> 00:31:16.501 that she was going to also lose her husband. 299 00:31:16.626 --> 00:31:19.212 And then, beyond all that, 300 00:31:19.295 --> 00:31:21.673 also knowing that there had been other women. 301 00:31:24.175 --> 00:31:27.929 He'd had wives before her, and never divorced them. 302 00:31:27.971 --> 00:31:30.932 And there's also infidelity. 303 00:31:31.016 --> 00:31:34.436 Reams and reams of cheating. 304 00:31:34.602 --> 00:31:36.855 He didn't do drugs, he didn't really drink, 305 00:31:36.980 --> 00:31:42.777 but he ate Viagra like candy. He was addicted to women. 306 00:32:21.149 --> 00:32:23.318 line:5% Chapo, he moved 307 00:32:23.360 --> 00:32:27.489 line:5% from different hideouts in the mountains, 308 00:32:27.614 --> 00:32:32.202 but the problem was, again, women, 309 00:32:32.285 --> 00:32:37.457 when he went from the mountains to the cities to meet them. 310 00:32:37.499 --> 00:32:39.292 Had he stayed in the mountains, 311 00:32:39.376 --> 00:32:40.877 we would still be looking for him today. 312 00:32:45.840 --> 00:32:49.219 In 2014, Operation Gargoyle kicks off. 313 00:32:49.260 --> 00:32:53.640 We're teamed up with CIMAR, the Mexican Marines. 314 00:32:53.723 --> 00:32:58.061 One of the most highly trained, efficient Special Forces group 315 00:32:58.103 --> 00:32:59.854 in the world. 316 00:33:00.021 --> 00:33:02.941 The DEA on the ground there is the strongest 317 00:33:02.982 --> 00:33:04.192 I've ever worked with. 318 00:33:04.234 --> 00:33:06.027 It was kind of the perfect storm, everything 319 00:33:06.111 --> 00:33:07.821 was coming together. 320 00:33:09.197 --> 00:33:12.575 We get the information about Culiacán, 321 00:33:12.617 --> 00:33:15.412 that Chapo was in that area. 322 00:33:15.495 --> 00:33:19.749 They find out from informants that Chapo has seven houses, 323 00:33:19.791 --> 00:33:23.503 all connected by the tunnels in the sewer system. 324 00:33:23.628 --> 00:33:25.880 And he hides in different houses. 325 00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:29.759 And, as the team is clearing the various houses, 326 00:33:29.926 --> 00:33:36.683 they find an RPG, several guns, tons of methamphetamine, 327 00:33:36.725 --> 00:33:40.020 bunch of plastic bananas and stuff, 328 00:33:40.061 --> 00:33:41.563 so he could hide cocaine in it. 329 00:33:43.481 --> 00:33:45.817 And they found it, found the house that Chapo was at. 330 00:33:52.532 --> 00:33:55.160 line:5% ¡Arriba! ¡Arriba! 331 00:33:55.326 --> 00:33:56.619 line:5% They're clearing the house. 332 00:33:58.204 --> 00:34:01.708 And they don't find anyone inside. 333 00:34:01.791 --> 00:34:05.962 But as they get in, they find an escape hatch, 334 00:34:06.046 --> 00:34:07.922 underneath the bathtub. 335 00:34:08.923 --> 00:34:12.802 As they're breaching the house, Chapo and his missus Cicero 336 00:34:12.886 --> 00:34:16.514 went down the tunnel and took off through the sewers. 337 00:34:16.556 --> 00:34:20.143 He slipped out of a bathroom trap door, down these stairs, 338 00:34:20.310 --> 00:34:23.188 into these underground tunnels, as Mexican authorities 339 00:34:23.271 --> 00:34:24.898 try to break down a steel door. 340 00:34:28.234 --> 00:34:30.653 Four days had passed, 341 00:34:30.695 --> 00:34:33.156 it was some people that thought, "Okay, he's gone." 342 00:34:33.198 --> 00:34:37.243 But the Mexican Marines and the DEA keep the pursuit 343 00:34:37.327 --> 00:34:39.954 and they keep monitoring all the communications. 344 00:34:41.664 --> 00:34:43.625 And we find out that Chapo's in Mazatlán. 345 00:34:51.716 --> 00:34:54.594 El Chapo is in disguise, 346 00:34:54.678 --> 00:34:58.890 and he's wheeled into the hotel Miramar in a wheelchair. 347 00:34:58.973 --> 00:35:01.601 He's wearing sunglasses, and he's hunkered down 348 00:35:01.768 --> 00:35:03.478 in the wheelchair. 349 00:35:05.355 --> 00:35:07.816 And they usher him up to the fourth floor. 350 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:10.503 line:5% They get there, 351 00:36:10.587 --> 00:36:12.130 line:5% they find a hotel. 352 00:36:12.172 --> 00:36:15.925 They surround the Miramar. 353 00:36:16.009 --> 00:36:18.511 They're pretty much convinced there's not a tunnel issue here, 354 00:36:18.636 --> 00:36:20.889 because he's on the fourth floor. 355 00:37:13.608 --> 00:37:15.026 line:5% Chapo was captured 356 00:37:15.110 --> 00:37:16.653 line:5% without a shot. 357 00:37:16.778 --> 00:37:20.448 No one was hurt, that's the biggest victory you could have. 358 00:38:05.452 --> 00:38:07.704 line:5% Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán, 359 00:38:07.787 --> 00:38:09.539 line:5% on the run for 13 years, 360 00:38:09.622 --> 00:38:10.832 his arrest tonight being called 361 00:38:10.999 --> 00:38:14.002 the biggest setback to the drug trade in three decades. 362 00:38:14.085 --> 00:38:17.964 We were all really surprised that he hung around, 363 00:38:18.048 --> 00:38:20.050 uh, he stayed in Mazatlán. 364 00:38:20.091 --> 00:38:23.428 It was just amazing to us that someone who was so 365 00:38:23.511 --> 00:38:28.016 tactically smart would do something so tactically dumb. 366 00:38:28.099 --> 00:38:31.269 Kind of gave breath to the theory that Emma 367 00:38:31.353 --> 00:38:33.688 was truly his weakness. 368 00:38:33.772 --> 00:38:36.358 If it was so important to see her, 369 00:38:36.483 --> 00:38:38.902 that's what got him captured. 370 00:39:38.628 --> 00:39:40.588 line:5% Emma was watching her family 371 00:39:40.672 --> 00:39:42.173 line:5% drop off like flies. 372 00:39:42.257 --> 00:39:46.052 All the most important men in her life, gone in a year's time. 373 00:39:46.177 --> 00:39:51.141 And her power, at that time, was very much rooted 374 00:39:51.224 --> 00:39:54.519 in her connections to these important men. 375 00:39:54.602 --> 00:39:58.773 So, losing them was going to forever change her life. 376 00:40:35.435 --> 00:40:37.020 line:5% In certain parts 377 00:40:37.103 --> 00:40:39.022 line:5% of Mexican society, you do have this hero worship 378 00:40:39.064 --> 00:40:40.607 line:5% around El Chapo. 379 00:40:40.690 --> 00:40:42.776 It's sort of like, "**** you" 380 00:40:42.859 --> 00:40:48.615 to the government and the systems that keep people down. 381 00:40:49.574 --> 00:40:51.242 If you go to cities like Culiacán, 382 00:40:51.326 --> 00:40:53.661 if you go to the markets, you can buy anything from like 383 00:40:53.703 --> 00:40:55.789 caps and keyrings, and mugs and t-shirts, 384 00:40:55.914 --> 00:41:01.252 to a miniature figurine of El Chapo with a AK-47. 385 00:41:02.712 --> 00:41:07.759 El Chapo was born into grinding poverty, 386 00:41:07.842 --> 00:41:10.261 and then made it onto Forbes rich list. 387 00:41:11.513 --> 00:41:13.056 That, to a lot of people, 388 00:41:13.139 --> 00:41:15.892 is the rags to riches story to aspire to. 389 00:41:15.934 --> 00:41:19.729 El Chapo has cashed in on drug smuggling to the tune of 390 00:41:19.771 --> 00:41:21.981 a billion dollars, according to Forbes Magazine. 391 00:41:22.107 --> 00:41:25.402 He is uh, not available for interviews, 392 00:41:25.527 --> 00:41:27.195 because he's on the run! 393 00:41:58.893 --> 00:42:00.395 line:5% I mean, how could she not 394 00:42:00.478 --> 00:42:01.563 line:5% have known about the money? 395 00:42:08.528 --> 00:42:11.031 Yes, there was money. 396 00:42:11.197 --> 00:42:13.116 I think she came to appreciate the lifestyle 397 00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:16.911 of designer clothes and nice cars and all of that. 398 00:42:18.496 --> 00:42:22.459 You can't make this life on the souls of the people 399 00:42:22.542 --> 00:42:25.045 that have been tortured and killed by the Sinaloa Cartel, 400 00:42:25.086 --> 00:42:27.922 and not expect to have to answer to it. 401 00:42:59.162 --> 00:43:00.455 If you want to be like, 402 00:43:00.580 --> 00:43:01.831 "When can we lay the blame? 403 00:43:01.956 --> 00:43:03.291 When can we say this was her fault?" 404 00:43:04.125 --> 00:43:06.711 Is she complicit in her husband's crimes? 405 00:43:07.462 --> 00:43:09.464 At this point, Emma's in her 20s 406 00:43:09.547 --> 00:43:13.093 and now this is the father of her children, 407 00:43:13.259 --> 00:43:15.929 so, you know, what was she supposed to do? 408 00:43:15.970 --> 00:43:17.931 Like, you can't leave that marriage. 409 00:43:19.933 --> 00:43:22.602 I would imagine for a woman in her position, 410 00:43:22.686 --> 00:43:25.897 it was very hard to say no 411 00:43:25.980 --> 00:43:29.025 to helping advance El Chapo's business. 412 00:43:29.150 --> 00:43:32.153 Especially, you know, when he was in prison. 413 00:43:34.864 --> 00:43:37.200 El Chapo is taken to a high-security prison 414 00:43:37.242 --> 00:43:38.702 called El Altiplano. 415 00:43:38.827 --> 00:43:41.329 And it's one of the highest security prisons 416 00:43:41.496 --> 00:43:42.580 in all of Mexico. 417 00:43:43.665 --> 00:43:45.667 He has a cell to himself, 418 00:43:45.750 --> 00:43:47.794 Emma has moved into a town nearby 419 00:43:47.919 --> 00:43:50.046 and comes and visits often. 420 00:43:50.130 --> 00:43:52.590 But her visits to him in Altiplano 421 00:43:52.674 --> 00:43:54.300 would later have a huge impact. 422 00:43:54.384 --> 00:43:56.678 On both his life and hers. 423 00:44:40.680 --> 00:44:44.559 And in July of 2015, 424 00:44:45.518 --> 00:44:48.730 El Chapo goes to his shower... 425 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.153 ...and slips down a hole. 426 00:44:55.278 --> 00:44:58.239 And this is all caught, y'know, on video camera. 427 00:45:00.575 --> 00:45:04.079 Tonight, the top drug dealer in the world has done it again. 428 00:45:04.204 --> 00:45:05.789 line:5% For the second time, he just staged 429 00:45:05.872 --> 00:45:06.956 line:5% a spectacular escape. 430 00:45:12.545 --> 00:45:16.508 I remember just being completely like, incredulous 431 00:45:16.633 --> 00:45:20.011 that he would escape in such a fashion. 432 00:45:20.512 --> 00:45:23.431 You just can't make things like that up. 433 00:46:38.798 --> 00:46:41.426 line:5% She can't really talk about the escape 434 00:46:41.509 --> 00:46:44.137 for fears of, you know, legal repercussions. 435 00:46:44.262 --> 00:46:46.306 I mean, she's still on probation 436 00:46:46.348 --> 00:46:48.183 and I don't think Emma wants to draw any more attention 437 00:46:48.266 --> 00:46:51.186 to what her role might have played in El Chapo's escape. 438 00:46:56.941 --> 00:46:59.819 Tonight, a frantic search continues for him 439 00:46:59.903 --> 00:47:02.655 line:5% as we get a better sense of the complexity of the tunnel 440 00:47:02.781 --> 00:47:04.532 line:5% through which he made his escape. 441 00:47:05.700 --> 00:47:08.453 He becomes the GOAT of prisoner escapes. 442 00:47:08.578 --> 00:47:10.497 This is worldwide publicity. 443 00:47:10.580 --> 00:47:13.458 It's the second escape for the notorious drug kingpin. 444 00:47:13.541 --> 00:47:15.752 line:5% El Chapo's escape raises serious questions 445 00:47:15.835 --> 00:47:17.962 line:5% about potential corruption at that prison. 446 00:47:18.046 --> 00:47:19.631 Everybody was laughing, saying, 447 00:47:19.714 --> 00:47:22.717 "Come on! Chapo escaped again?" 448 00:47:22.759 --> 00:47:25.261 Yep. He did. 449 00:47:26.054 --> 00:47:30.433 Every aspect of this escape was very well thought out. 450 00:47:31.226 --> 00:47:35.230 Figuring out how far away they needed to start the tunnel, 451 00:47:35.355 --> 00:47:37.440 the land they would need to get so they had 452 00:47:37.565 --> 00:47:39.526 full access to that area. 453 00:47:39.651 --> 00:47:42.112 Guzman was last seen on a security camera 454 00:47:42.195 --> 00:47:43.488 entering a shower area. 455 00:47:43.571 --> 00:47:46.491 He slipped into a 20-by-20 inch hole, 456 00:47:46.574 --> 00:47:48.993 down a ladder, into an elaborate tunnel 457 00:47:49.035 --> 00:47:50.954 made of wood and PVC pipe. 458 00:47:51.913 --> 00:47:55.083 And the tunnel itself is ventilated. 459 00:47:56.126 --> 00:47:57.961 He has a motorbike, 460 00:47:58.003 --> 00:48:02.090 he can just go the mile distance through the tunnel. 461 00:48:04.217 --> 00:48:06.511 This is easy, this is set up, this is planned. 462 00:48:08.221 --> 00:48:10.598 It's something that would be like, written for the movies. 463 00:48:19.232 --> 00:48:21.109 At the time, I was covering news in Mexico 464 00:48:21.192 --> 00:48:23.945 and the entire press corps was just like, 465 00:48:24.029 --> 00:48:26.197 disbelieving and amused. 466 00:48:26.906 --> 00:48:29.492 It had to be literally one of the most embarrassing things 467 00:48:29.617 --> 00:48:32.746 for the Mexican government in probably decades. 468 00:48:32.829 --> 00:48:35.331 For them to say, "Okay, now we have him. 469 00:48:35.373 --> 00:48:36.916 Oops, he's gone." 470 00:48:46.509 --> 00:48:48.678 He just goes right back to the life that he'd had 471 00:48:48.762 --> 00:48:49.929 before he'd been incarcerated. 472 00:48:50.013 --> 00:48:51.973 Today, pictures surfaced on social media 473 00:48:52.057 --> 00:48:54.934 purporting to show Guzman after his escape. 474 00:48:55.060 --> 00:48:56.936 It obviously went to his head. 475 00:48:57.479 --> 00:49:00.148 And that actually kind of worked out in our advantage. 476 00:49:01.274 --> 00:49:03.318 He becomes a little bit more, 477 00:49:03.443 --> 00:49:05.653 almost flaunting that they can't get him. 478 00:49:05.737 --> 00:49:08.114 He even invites Kate del Castillo and Sean Penn 479 00:49:08.198 --> 00:49:10.075 to come visit him while he's in hiding. 480 00:49:10.158 --> 00:49:13.119 To talk about making a movie about his life. 481 00:49:13.161 --> 00:49:16.456 And there's all these photos of them together. 482 00:49:18.166 --> 00:49:20.835 Him meeting with Sean Penn Miss del Castillo, 483 00:49:20.919 --> 00:49:24.756 that was something Chapo would not have done years before. 484 00:49:25.757 --> 00:49:28.134 And that eventually leads to Sean Penn's interview. 485 00:49:28.218 --> 00:49:29.928 An article in Rolling Stone. 486 00:49:45.819 --> 00:49:47.654 You don't invite famous people to come 487 00:49:47.737 --> 00:49:49.447 hang out with you while you're in hiding 488 00:49:49.489 --> 00:49:52.242 if you're, you know, really doing it well. 489 00:49:52.784 --> 00:49:56.579 At that point, I think he just thought he was Teflon. 490 00:49:56.663 --> 00:49:58.331 He just got very sloppy. 491 00:49:58.415 --> 00:50:04.587 I was stunned that he would risk, uh, our trip, 492 00:50:04.671 --> 00:50:05.797 I was stunned. 493 00:50:38.705 --> 00:50:41.374 Two weeks later, investigators are hot on the trail 494 00:50:41.416 --> 00:50:43.752 of El Chapo once again. 495 00:50:45.128 --> 00:50:47.630 We're relying heavily on electronic mine frame, 496 00:50:47.714 --> 00:50:49.507 that's the big thing. 497 00:50:49.591 --> 00:50:52.177 We developed intelligence that a safe house is being built 498 00:50:52.260 --> 00:50:53.803 for Chapo and Los Muchis. 499 00:50:55.638 --> 00:50:57.640 And we get the information 500 00:50:57.766 --> 00:50:59.893 that Grandma is coming, 501 00:50:59.976 --> 00:51:02.270 and that's the new codename for Chapo. 502 00:51:05.231 --> 00:51:07.442 And next thing you know, 503 00:51:07.567 --> 00:51:09.986 Chapo ordered a whole bunch of tacos 504 00:51:10.070 --> 00:51:12.447 and had 'em brought to the house. 505 00:51:12.572 --> 00:51:15.450 The Mexican Marines stormed the door. 506 00:51:18.578 --> 00:51:20.538 Immediately, a firefight breaks out. 507 00:51:29.297 --> 00:51:33.009 line:5% This time, he's not with his wife and children 508 00:51:33.093 --> 00:51:35.720 and he is ultimately detained and arrested. 509 00:52:30.191 --> 00:52:32.277 line:5% El Chapo's capture ends the biggest manhunt 510 00:52:32.402 --> 00:52:33.445 line:5% in Mexican history. 511 00:52:33.570 --> 00:52:35.321 He was apprehended in Mexico 512 00:52:35.447 --> 00:52:37.699 six months after he tunneled his way out... 513 00:52:52.213 --> 00:52:54.299 El Chapo's capture ends the biggest manhunt 514 00:52:54.424 --> 00:52:55.759 in Mexican history. 515 00:54:10.959 --> 00:54:14.713 As you looked into his eyes, you can see the surprise. 516 00:54:14.754 --> 00:54:16.881 You can see the shock. 517 00:54:16.965 --> 00:54:19.968 And to a certain extent, you can actually see the fear. 518 00:54:38.611 --> 00:54:41.573 For us, it was the ultimate victory dance. 519 00:54:41.656 --> 00:54:44.617 That's when we knew we won. No doubt. 520 00:54:44.701 --> 00:54:46.953 When you think back on all the man hours 521 00:54:47.037 --> 00:54:49.289 and the sweat you put into 522 00:54:49.330 --> 00:54:52.208 locating this very evil person. 523 00:54:52.292 --> 00:54:54.878 After all the pain and sorrow 524 00:54:54.961 --> 00:54:57.672 and loss of life that Chapo brought to the United States, 525 00:54:58.882 --> 00:55:00.592 his extradition to the US, 526 00:55:00.675 --> 00:55:02.844 it was a proud moment for all of us. 527 00:55:05.638 --> 00:55:07.849 There's good and bad in everybody. 528 00:55:07.932 --> 00:55:10.268 I judge him based on 529 00:55:10.352 --> 00:55:12.771 how he has treated me all these years. 530 00:55:12.854 --> 00:55:16.441 Tell us how you got involved Joaquin Guzman. 531 00:55:19.361 --> 00:55:23.281 I took the bar on February 2018 in New York. 532 00:55:23.323 --> 00:55:25.492 And as I was waiting for the results, 533 00:55:25.533 --> 00:55:27.786 on Craigslist, there was an ad. 534 00:55:27.869 --> 00:55:30.330 Part-time job for a Spanish speaker, 535 00:55:30.372 --> 00:55:32.791 paralegal, criminal defence law firm. 536 00:55:32.916 --> 00:55:34.959 So I was like, "Okay, bingo, that's me." 537 00:55:35.043 --> 00:55:36.795 So when they said, "Before you accept, 538 00:55:36.836 --> 00:55:39.339 the client is Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman." 539 00:55:42.050 --> 00:55:44.678 I was like, "Awesome, great. Where do I start? 540 00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:46.429 Now I want to start, like, tomorrow!" 541 00:55:46.513 --> 00:55:50.975 I mean, you have the biggest criminal trial of the century. 542 00:55:51.059 --> 00:55:53.770 Attorneys work 30, 40 years in their career 543 00:55:53.895 --> 00:55:55.480 to land a case like this. 544 00:55:55.605 --> 00:55:59.567 So I saw it as a professional opportunity right away. 545 00:56:01.361 --> 00:56:03.363 When I met Mr. Guzman, 546 00:56:03.488 --> 00:56:05.281 we had a glass dividing us, 547 00:56:05.407 --> 00:56:07.909 he put his hand on the glass and I put my hand on the glass, 548 00:56:07.992 --> 00:56:11.913 and that was like, our first hello, and we talked. 549 00:56:11.955 --> 00:56:15.583 I love talking, he loves talking, so we clicked. 550 00:56:17.043 --> 00:56:20.255 I met Emma not long after I met El Chapo. 551 00:56:20.296 --> 00:56:22.757 Emma and I became friends pretty quickly 552 00:56:22.799 --> 00:56:25.468 because of the amount of time that we were spending together, 553 00:56:25.552 --> 00:56:27.470 and then she moved to New York 554 00:56:27.512 --> 00:56:29.055 basically when the trial started. 555 00:57:06.801 --> 00:57:08.386 The trial for the Mexican drug lord, 556 00:57:08.470 --> 00:57:11.181 Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman is underway. 557 00:57:11.222 --> 00:57:13.641 The police motorcade taking him to the courthouse 558 00:57:13.725 --> 00:57:14.851 in Brooklyn. 559 00:57:14.934 --> 00:57:16.436 line:5% Guzman pleaded not guilty 560 00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:17.729 line:5% to 17 counts 561 00:57:17.854 --> 00:57:19.481 including drug trafficking and murder. 562 00:57:19.522 --> 00:57:22.359 The trial definitely was a media circus. 563 00:57:25.362 --> 00:57:27.739 The press was there, waiting every day. 564 00:57:27.822 --> 00:57:30.950 Trying to get a few words out of her. 565 00:57:33.244 --> 00:57:35.038 I would take Emma to court every morning. 566 00:57:35.121 --> 00:57:36.498 Excuse me. 'Scuse me. 567 00:57:37.165 --> 00:57:39.584 Take her back home after court. 568 00:57:41.628 --> 00:57:44.130 I think she handled it really well. 569 00:57:45.256 --> 00:57:46.633 I don't know what I would have done 570 00:57:46.716 --> 00:57:48.051 had I been in her situation, 571 00:57:48.093 --> 00:57:51.221 I probably would have left crying almost every day. 572 00:57:51.304 --> 00:57:53.014 I admire her for that, you know. 573 00:57:55.517 --> 00:57:57.435 The first thing that Chapo would do 574 00:57:57.477 --> 00:57:58.645 when he would get into the courtroom 575 00:57:58.728 --> 00:58:01.147 was he would turn around and look for her. 576 00:58:02.607 --> 00:58:05.944 There was that constant longing and tension between them. 577 00:58:07.237 --> 00:58:10.532 Where they would be making faces and goo-goo eyes at each other. 578 00:58:11.282 --> 00:58:13.618 At least once or twice, the judge stopped 579 00:58:13.660 --> 00:58:16.371 the proceedings, like, "Hey, eyes up here." 580 00:58:16.413 --> 00:58:18.498 Because it would kind of get a little bit much. 581 00:58:20.333 --> 00:58:22.794 His story is paraded out 582 00:58:22.836 --> 00:58:25.296 and all the characters come in one by one, 583 00:58:25.380 --> 00:58:27.757 and they tell their version of events. 584 00:58:27.882 --> 00:58:30.135 Some of the guys wouldn't even look at Chapo. 585 00:58:30.218 --> 00:58:32.178 But others, you know, I think one guy kind of like, 586 00:58:32.220 --> 00:58:33.847 touched his heart and there'd be like, 587 00:58:33.930 --> 00:58:35.473 nods and there'd be like, appreciation, 588 00:58:35.515 --> 00:58:37.892 it was almost like a family reunion. 589 00:58:39.227 --> 00:58:41.312 The testimonies against Chapo mentioned that 590 00:58:41.354 --> 00:58:44.399 he ordered a lot of killings. 591 00:58:49.195 --> 00:58:54.534 Witness testimonies also portray him as a killer. 592 00:58:57.203 --> 00:58:59.539 And testimonies about enemies 593 00:58:59.581 --> 00:59:03.752 that he ordered to be buried alive. 594 00:59:08.048 --> 00:59:11.134 We would watch Emma during the proceedings 595 00:59:11.259 --> 00:59:14.179 to see, how does she respond, does she seem to already know? 596 00:59:14.721 --> 00:59:18.350 Like, what is this person's real feeling? 597 01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:30.231 It's obvious who Chapo was. 598 01:01:30.273 --> 01:01:32.734 Everyone knew that if you crossed Chapo, 599 01:01:32.901 --> 01:01:34.694 you were putting your life in danger. 600 01:01:35.278 --> 01:01:38.740 Chapo was involved violence, a lot of violence. 601 01:01:39.491 --> 01:01:40.867 In my opinion, 602 01:01:40.909 --> 01:01:43.745 I believe she had to at least hear 603 01:01:43.828 --> 01:01:45.830 about the killings. 604 01:01:45.914 --> 01:01:50.377 Or she probably listened to some orders 605 01:01:50.460 --> 01:01:53.880 given to kill someone by her husband. 606 01:01:55.215 --> 01:01:56.966 During the whole trial, 607 01:01:57.092 --> 01:02:00.345 she didn't have any expression of surprise. 608 01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:20.824 Throughout much of the trial, 609 01:02:20.865 --> 01:02:24.494 Emma had been really stoic until Lucero's testimony. 610 01:02:25.161 --> 01:02:28.873 Lucero was one of the women in Chapo's trial 611 01:02:28.915 --> 01:02:30.333 who was a lover of his, 612 01:02:30.375 --> 01:02:32.460 but she was also quite entrenched in the business. 613 01:02:35.547 --> 01:02:38.466 Lucero immediately asserts ownership over El Chapo. 614 01:02:38.508 --> 01:02:42.512 She refers to him as "my husband, Joaquin." 615 01:02:42.595 --> 01:02:45.598 And Emma, she's having a little bit of a hard time. 616 01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:50.145 That's when you saw the woman. 617 01:03:14.544 --> 01:03:19.090 The day after Lucero's first day of testimony, 618 01:03:19.174 --> 01:03:21.384 everybody looks from Emma to El Chapo 619 01:03:21.468 --> 01:03:23.762 and we realize that they're wearing matching 620 01:03:23.803 --> 01:03:25.764 maroon velvet blazers. 621 01:03:42.113 --> 01:03:44.407 It sort of felt like this was Emma's way of asserting 622 01:03:44.449 --> 01:03:46.076 ownership over her husband. 623 01:03:47.035 --> 01:03:50.080 You're referring to my husband as your husband, 624 01:03:50.121 --> 01:03:52.207 but he is with me 625 01:03:52.290 --> 01:03:55.001 and he is saying that through what he's wearing. 626 01:04:04.219 --> 01:04:06.680 Literally after that day of testimony, 627 01:04:06.805 --> 01:04:08.348 I looked at Emma and I said, 628 01:04:08.390 --> 01:04:10.934 "Oh, what's this with the jackets?" 629 01:04:11.101 --> 01:04:13.395 And she looked at me and she smiled and she said, 630 01:04:13.520 --> 01:04:16.189 "Que coincidencia." What a coincidence. 631 01:04:20.026 --> 01:04:22.237 Let me get the door! Outta the way. Out of the way. 632 01:04:22.404 --> 01:04:25.073 There was also a cloud of suspicion around her, 633 01:04:25.156 --> 01:04:27.617 because there's this sense that any moment, 634 01:04:27.701 --> 01:04:29.911 that she could be implicated. 635 01:04:31.413 --> 01:04:33.581 During the trial, 636 01:04:33.665 --> 01:04:35.750 there were a couple of mentions of her, 637 01:04:35.875 --> 01:04:39.838 but really Emma wasn't implicated publicly 638 01:04:40.005 --> 01:04:42.716 until Domaso Lopez. 639 01:04:45.677 --> 01:04:49.639 line:5% Damaso Lopez was the godfather 640 01:04:49.723 --> 01:04:52.434 of one of Chapo's twins with Emma. 641 01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:55.979 He was his right hand at the end. 642 01:04:56.062 --> 01:04:59.774 He was there with one purpose. 643 01:04:59.858 --> 01:05:04.738 To describe how he escaped. 644 01:05:06.031 --> 01:05:07.824 Who was involved. 645 01:05:07.949 --> 01:05:11.327 This was when other people in the room started to see 646 01:05:11.494 --> 01:05:14.706 that there was more to Emma than her curvaceous figure 647 01:05:14.748 --> 01:05:16.332 and her nice outfits. 648 01:05:24.215 --> 01:05:26.593 Damaso Lopez Nunez testified 649 01:05:26.676 --> 01:05:29.220 that Emma did take part in the escape. 650 01:05:31.306 --> 01:05:33.850 Damaso's orchestrating things from the outside 651 01:05:33.892 --> 01:05:36.144 while Chapo's orchestrating things from the inside. 652 01:05:36.227 --> 01:05:38.938 And Emma is that go-between. 653 01:05:39.731 --> 01:05:41.566 Her role intensifies 654 01:05:41.649 --> 01:05:44.277 as the plans continue to take shape. 655 01:05:45.779 --> 01:05:48.698 She allegedly is quite likely 656 01:05:48.740 --> 01:05:54.037 the very person who sneaks a GPS device to El Chapo 657 01:05:54.120 --> 01:05:57.749 so that they can determine his exact coordinates in the cell. 658 01:05:59.209 --> 01:06:02.045 And I think when people realize that thing that El Chapo 659 01:06:02.128 --> 01:06:03.463 was most famous for... 660 01:06:03.630 --> 01:06:05.173 line:5% El Chapo has done it again. 661 01:06:05.256 --> 01:06:06.466 line:5% The spectacular escape... 662 01:06:06.591 --> 01:06:08.635 ...was in part helped by Emma. 663 01:06:09.803 --> 01:06:11.513 That was an interesting mindshift. 664 01:06:11.638 --> 01:06:13.390 When people stopped looking just at Chapo 665 01:06:13.515 --> 01:06:15.475 and started turning to the woman sitting alone 666 01:06:15.600 --> 01:06:17.686 on the second row in court. 667 01:06:28.363 --> 01:06:30.573 In testimony during El Chapo's trial, 668 01:06:30.699 --> 01:06:34.202 it comes out that she had a part in his escape. 669 01:06:48.425 --> 01:06:51.803 She had the option to never come back. 670 01:06:51.845 --> 01:06:53.096 "Okay, they're talking about me, 671 01:06:53.179 --> 01:06:55.098 I'm going to get the hell out of here 672 01:06:55.181 --> 01:06:57.517 and good luck finding me in Mexico." 673 01:06:57.600 --> 01:06:59.060 - Walk away. - 'Scuse me. 674 01:06:59.978 --> 01:07:00.979 Come on now. 675 01:07:01.021 --> 01:07:02.731 Move out the way of the vehicle! 676 01:07:03.356 --> 01:07:04.899 But she didn't do that. 677 01:07:05.483 --> 01:07:06.735 Hey! 678 01:07:32.427 --> 01:07:34.220 I'm not... I can't answer that. 679 01:08:18.556 --> 01:08:20.809 They took days deliberating. 680 01:08:21.309 --> 01:08:25.397 Then I remember that, y'know, we're all just anxious, waiting. 681 01:08:26.731 --> 01:08:30.819 Minutes ago, a federal jury here in the eastern district 682 01:08:30.860 --> 01:08:36.157 convicted Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman Loera 683 01:08:36.282 --> 01:08:38.034 on all counts. 684 01:08:38.118 --> 01:08:42.997 The jury found that Guzman led the Sinaloa cartel. 685 01:08:43.081 --> 01:08:45.583 And that he's responsible for the smuggling 686 01:08:45.667 --> 01:08:48.586 of massive amounts of narcotics into the United States 687 01:08:48.628 --> 01:08:50.964 and violence, including murders, 688 01:08:51.131 --> 01:08:54.384 his conviction will bring a sentence of life 689 01:08:54.467 --> 01:08:57.429 without the possibility of parole. 690 01:08:57.554 --> 01:09:00.890 It is a sentence from which there is no escape 691 01:09:00.932 --> 01:09:02.350 and no return. 692 01:09:09.649 --> 01:09:11.401 Guys! Come on! Come on! 693 01:09:33.506 --> 01:09:36.426 We were disappointed. Still, we were sad. 694 01:09:37.302 --> 01:09:40.388 But our client Guzman was the one that kept on saying, 695 01:09:40.472 --> 01:09:42.599 you know what, guys, you did a great job. 696 01:09:43.141 --> 01:09:46.144 Ultimately, I think they couldn't get past the fact 697 01:09:46.269 --> 01:09:48.855 that it was "El Chapo" Guzman, you know. 698 01:09:50.899 --> 01:09:53.360 line:5% There was no doubt in my mind he was going to be convicted. 699 01:09:55.028 --> 01:09:57.947 When he was convicted, it was a great moment. 700 01:09:58.782 --> 01:10:01.743 What we wanted to do was show the world 701 01:10:01.826 --> 01:10:03.328 that the rule of law works. 702 01:10:03.953 --> 01:10:06.790 If you ruin lives and you murder people, 703 01:10:06.873 --> 01:10:08.792 we will come get you, 704 01:10:08.833 --> 01:10:11.795 no matter how big or how rich or how famous you are, 705 01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:13.505 and you will stand trial, 706 01:10:13.630 --> 01:10:16.424 and you will be punished if you're found guilty. 707 01:10:17.300 --> 01:10:19.886 To those individuals out there 708 01:10:19.969 --> 01:10:21.888 that are involved in drug trafficking as 709 01:10:22.013 --> 01:10:23.807 El Chapo was, 710 01:10:23.890 --> 01:10:26.309 you are not unreachable, 711 01:10:26.393 --> 01:10:29.270 you are not untouchable, 712 01:10:29.396 --> 01:10:32.065 and your day will come. 713 01:11:42.218 --> 01:11:44.429 The wife of the world's most notorious drug lord, 714 01:11:44.471 --> 01:11:47.724 Emma Coronel Aispuro, arrested Monday. 715 01:11:48.558 --> 01:11:52.020 Coronel is charged with both conspiring with her husband 716 01:11:52.103 --> 01:11:55.732 to distribute drugs and conspiring with El Chapo 717 01:11:55.815 --> 01:11:59.027 to spring him from a Mexican supermax prison. 718 01:11:59.778 --> 01:12:03.531 line:5% She got arrested and I flew into DC that same night. 719 01:12:03.573 --> 01:12:06.368 line:5% After that, then we started working on the case. 720 01:12:06.451 --> 01:12:08.953 Did she ever consider going to trial? 721 01:12:08.995 --> 01:12:15.001 No, because she has two daughters that needed her 722 01:12:15.085 --> 01:12:17.295 and if she went to trial and lost, 723 01:12:17.379 --> 01:12:19.964 she could have faced life in prison. 724 01:12:22.342 --> 01:12:24.386 After Emma was arrested, 725 01:12:24.511 --> 01:12:28.306 we began corresponding while she was incarcerated. 726 01:12:33.770 --> 01:12:38.441 She spends some really gruelling first few days in Virginia 727 01:12:38.525 --> 01:12:40.694 as she waits for her court date. 728 01:12:42.237 --> 01:12:44.781 She was on her period when she was arrested 729 01:12:44.906 --> 01:12:50.578 and they gave her like, two pads the entire four days. 730 01:12:51.371 --> 01:12:53.415 And they also wouldn't let her take a shower, 731 01:12:53.540 --> 01:12:55.375 and she didn't know how to ask for a shower 732 01:12:55.500 --> 01:12:57.293 and so she was like, on the phone 733 01:12:57.377 --> 01:12:59.254 with one of her lawyers, Mariel, 734 01:12:59.337 --> 01:13:02.090 and Mariel is like, spelling out S-H-O-- 735 01:13:04.175 --> 01:13:05.802 "Blanket," that was another word 736 01:13:05.844 --> 01:13:09.264 that I helped her with, because she was cold, so... 737 01:13:09.305 --> 01:13:11.808 She is, you know, put in solitary, 738 01:13:11.933 --> 01:13:14.602 which of course, they say they do for her safety 739 01:13:14.686 --> 01:13:16.938 and there was certainly a safety element to it, 740 01:13:17.022 --> 01:13:19.274 but that's also incredibly lonely. 741 01:13:49.054 --> 01:13:51.348 The wife of jailed Mexican drug lord 742 01:13:51.389 --> 01:13:54.225 Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman is reportedly going to plead 743 01:13:54.351 --> 01:13:55.810 guilty this morning. 744 01:14:05.070 --> 01:14:06.279 I'm going to be brief. 745 01:14:06.738 --> 01:14:09.074 She got a 36-month sentence. 746 01:14:09.491 --> 01:14:10.617 Vaya con dios. 747 01:15:30.947 --> 01:15:33.783 The wife of the infamous Mexican drug lord known 748 01:15:33.867 --> 01:15:36.703 as El Chapo was released from federal custody today. 749 01:15:36.786 --> 01:15:39.372 As part of her release, she will have to be supervised 750 01:15:39.414 --> 01:15:40.790 for four years. 751 01:15:40.874 --> 01:15:43.585 And she will have to give up $1.5 million dollars. 752 01:15:45.628 --> 01:15:48.173 The money issue is really an interesting... 753 01:15:48.882 --> 01:15:52.218 Chapo asked to turn over more than 12 and a half billion. 754 01:15:52.260 --> 01:15:56.681 That might not even be all of what they've accumulated. 755 01:15:56.765 --> 01:15:58.641 And where do you think the money is? 756 01:15:58.725 --> 01:16:00.685 That's a good question. Um... 757 01:16:02.062 --> 01:16:04.064 I wish I knew. 758 01:16:04.189 --> 01:16:06.566 There was a joke in the team, 759 01:16:06.691 --> 01:16:08.526 that Chapo's money was like 760 01:16:08.568 --> 01:16:11.154 the last scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark. 761 01:16:11.196 --> 01:16:14.616 Somewhere, instead of just being one crate, there's like, 762 01:16:14.699 --> 01:16:16.868 5,000 crates stacked full of money 763 01:16:16.993 --> 01:16:18.953 and some little guy's just pushing them through a warehouse 764 01:16:19.037 --> 01:16:20.663 some place. 765 01:16:20.747 --> 01:16:23.333 You know. It's out there. 766 01:16:24.793 --> 01:16:27.253 And do you think that she has access to any of it? 767 01:16:27.295 --> 01:16:28.922 You know, I don't know. 768 01:16:28.963 --> 01:16:30.674 That would be incredibly dangerous for her 769 01:16:30.757 --> 01:16:34.803 because it would only lead to her getting more time in prison. 770 01:18:00.889 --> 01:18:03.683 I wrote a corrido about Emma, yeah, a song about Emma. 771 01:18:03.767 --> 01:18:05.727 La Senora. 772 01:18:19.866 --> 01:18:21.743 I'm still a full-time attorney, 773 01:18:21.868 --> 01:18:24.788 but now I also have another full-time career, 774 01:18:24.913 --> 01:18:26.498 which is singing. 775 01:18:29.459 --> 01:18:32.087 The song is 100 percent inspired by her. 776 01:18:32.212 --> 01:18:34.881 The message is people should not judge you 777 01:18:34.964 --> 01:18:37.509 based on one bad season of your life. 778 01:18:37.592 --> 01:18:40.553 She's a boss of her own destiny, of her own life. 779 01:18:41.262 --> 01:18:43.098 The video appearance with Mariel, 780 01:18:43.223 --> 01:18:45.433 Emma is playing the part of cartel boss 781 01:18:45.517 --> 01:18:47.310 when she clearly wasn't. 782 01:18:47.352 --> 01:18:48.895 She was a cartel boss wife. 783 01:18:48.978 --> 01:18:51.940 That fascinates people too, about her. 784 01:18:52.023 --> 01:18:53.942 She's a little big enigmatic 785 01:18:54.025 --> 01:18:57.362 and very much controls the way she projects herself 786 01:18:57.404 --> 01:18:58.655 to the world. 787 01:19:11.042 --> 01:19:13.920 Whether she can escape the cartel 788 01:19:13.962 --> 01:19:15.797 is sort of a question of her own making 789 01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:18.091 because she's also so famous 790 01:19:18.174 --> 01:19:20.468 and it's a fame that she's cultivated. 791 01:19:23.304 --> 01:19:26.641 But I think I would be treading very carefully from now on, 792 01:19:26.725 --> 01:19:28.101 were I her, 793 01:19:28.184 --> 01:19:32.230 in terms of what she says about her life 794 01:19:32.355 --> 01:19:33.773 before she was incarcerated. 795 01:19:36.860 --> 01:19:38.653 Many of the people 796 01:19:38.737 --> 01:19:41.114 that she was involved with during that time 797 01:19:41.156 --> 01:19:43.950 remain in Mexico's criminal underworld. 798 01:19:43.992 --> 01:19:46.494 So they're going to be watching very closely, 799 01:19:46.536 --> 01:19:49.039 everything she says and everything she does. 800 01:19:49.164 --> 01:19:52.584 Though I'm sure she's deeply conscious of that. 801 01:20:00.133 --> 01:20:02.761 We live in a day and age 802 01:20:02.844 --> 01:20:06.097 where a lot of people are obsessed with true crime. 803 01:20:06.222 --> 01:20:08.641 It gives you your bad guys, it gives you your good guys, 804 01:20:08.725 --> 01:20:11.311 it tells you the people that you get to root for. 805 01:20:12.645 --> 01:20:16.524 The thing is, there's no story that is that black and white. 806 01:20:16.649 --> 01:20:19.736 And certainly when you have a 17-year-old 807 01:20:19.819 --> 01:20:22.739 who is married to a high-powered drug lord, 808 01:20:22.781 --> 01:20:25.408 what was she supposed to do? 809 01:20:25.492 --> 01:20:27.118 She couldn't tell him no. 810 01:20:27.869 --> 01:20:29.704 Is a 17-year-old really capable 811 01:20:29.788 --> 01:20:31.790 of making such a crucial decision 812 01:20:31.873 --> 01:20:33.208 that's going to impact the rest of her life? 813 01:20:33.333 --> 01:20:35.043 I don't think she was mature enough 814 01:20:35.168 --> 01:20:36.503 to make that decision. 815 01:20:36.628 --> 01:20:39.214 But unfortunately, the way that the world works, 816 01:20:39.255 --> 01:20:41.758 it's something that she's going to have to live with. 817 01:20:41.883 --> 01:20:45.595 As most people see it, she chose evil over good. 818 01:20:49.140 --> 01:20:51.893 The war on drugs, it's already lost. 819 01:20:52.852 --> 01:20:55.980 And around 200 people die 820 01:20:56.022 --> 01:20:58.316 every 24 hours in the US. 821 01:20:58.400 --> 01:20:59.567 By an overdose. 822 01:21:00.485 --> 01:21:02.987 Nobody knows exactly the number of people 823 01:21:03.113 --> 01:21:06.282 who already died in Mexico because of the war on drugs. 824 01:21:08.576 --> 01:21:09.994 Narco traffickers 825 01:21:10.036 --> 01:21:12.372 don't see anything wrong. 826 01:21:12.455 --> 01:21:14.666 They don't feel any guilt. 827 01:21:14.749 --> 01:21:19.045 They see Narco traffic as a normal business. 828 01:21:19.671 --> 01:21:21.506 And people die 829 01:21:21.589 --> 01:21:24.050 because of the nature of the business. 830 01:21:25.343 --> 01:21:27.470 She was living off the profits 831 01:21:27.512 --> 01:21:30.849 of all the poison that the Sinaloa cartel had sold. 832 01:21:30.890 --> 01:21:33.059 That's part of the crime. 833 01:21:33.143 --> 01:21:35.103 I think she got a good deal. 834 01:21:35.186 --> 01:21:37.897 And she did her time. 835 01:21:37.981 --> 01:21:39.566 She's not the perfect victim 836 01:21:39.691 --> 01:21:42.777 but she's also not your quintessential criminal. 837 01:21:43.737 --> 01:21:45.363 She was a pawn in a game 838 01:21:45.488 --> 01:21:48.158 that she very much learned how to play 839 01:21:48.241 --> 01:21:50.535 and she found a way to get out of the game. 840 01:21:50.577 --> 01:21:52.954 And most people don't do that. 841 01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:54.664 There's good and there's bad, like I said. 842 01:21:54.789 --> 01:21:57.667 And I don't think that some of the life choices 843 01:21:57.792 --> 01:22:00.045 should define a person. 844 01:22:00.170 --> 01:22:01.713 She's learned a lot, 845 01:22:01.796 --> 01:22:03.965 and I think that at the end of the day, 846 01:22:04.049 --> 01:22:07.719 she is ready to put this past her 847 01:22:07.802 --> 01:22:11.097 and start fresh with her daughters. 848 01:23:13.660 --> 01:23:15.203 Is there anything else that... 849 01:23:15.328 --> 01:23:17.372 No, I think it's good.