1 00:00:01,236 --> 00:00:02,671 (suspenseful music) 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:02,713 --> 00:00:05,463 (static sizzles) 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:25,380 --> 00:00:26,171 - [Driver] Kevin? 6 00:00:26,213 --> 00:00:27,004 - Yes, hello. 7 00:00:27,046 --> 00:00:27,837 - [Driver] Hi, come on in. 8 00:00:27,879 --> 00:00:30,303 - Alright, here's the package. 9 00:00:32,790 --> 00:00:36,588 - [Driver] So what do you know about the history of this? 10 00:00:36,630 --> 00:00:41,630 - I know that it is supposedly from a crash site 11 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,673 in New Mexico from the St. Augustine Plains. 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,840 Happened in 1947 within weeks of the supposed Roswell crash. 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,318 If this is just debris from an airplane crash, 14 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,138 then it's not that valuable or not that interesting, 15 00:00:57,180 --> 00:01:00,618 but if it turns out that it's a debris from a crashed UFO 16 00:01:00,660 --> 00:01:02,208 or a crashed alien spacecraft, 17 00:01:02,250 --> 00:01:03,513 or whatever it might be, 18 00:01:04,410 --> 00:01:05,298 then it's invaluable. 19 00:01:05,340 --> 00:01:07,068 So it's priceless. 20 00:01:07,110 --> 00:01:10,278 So we have these weird hand-offs, 21 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:12,768 these cloak and dagger style hand-offs, 22 00:01:12,810 --> 00:01:14,396 which admittedly are fun 23 00:01:14,438 --> 00:01:17,770 and relatively amusing 24 00:01:20,940 --> 00:01:22,878 and a bit worrisome because you, 25 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,518 I don't know that other people aren't tracking this, 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,198 that other people wouldn't like to have it, 27 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:28,968 that somebody might try to get it from you. 28 00:01:29,010 --> 00:01:31,983 And, you know, we don't know that that's not the case. 29 00:01:33,675 --> 00:01:35,208 I'm a physics professor, 30 00:01:35,250 --> 00:01:37,518 we don't operate this way 31 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,568 and I don't know how, you know, 32 00:01:41,610 --> 00:01:43,608 whether there are other groups or other countries 33 00:01:43,650 --> 00:01:46,098 that would like to get their hands on this that you know, 34 00:01:46,140 --> 00:01:48,948 might go through some, you know, 35 00:01:48,990 --> 00:01:50,758 movie style lengths to do it. 36 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,800 (truck horn blares) 37 00:01:55,584 --> 00:01:58,084 (eerie music) 38 00:02:07,241 --> 00:02:09,824 (upbeat music) 39 00:02:25,174 --> 00:02:30,174 ♪ I play music when the day gets dark ♪ 40 00:02:34,317 --> 00:02:39,317 ♪ Drifting through heaven's gate into outer space ♪ 41 00:02:47,455 --> 00:02:52,455 ♪ Blistered by the bright blue sunshine ♪ 42 00:02:56,603 --> 00:03:01,436 ♪ The most beautiful faces we hide inside ♪ 43 00:03:41,190 --> 00:03:43,308 - [Narrator] Most science documentaries look at 44 00:03:43,350 --> 00:03:45,888 an encounter with extraterrestrial civilization 45 00:03:45,930 --> 00:03:48,048 from our point of view, 46 00:03:48,090 --> 00:03:50,718 but let's turn it upside down. 47 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,028 What would it be like if you were part 48 00:03:53,070 --> 00:03:55,218 of an advanced civilization meeting 49 00:03:55,260 --> 00:03:57,123 earthlings for the first time? 50 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,818 - Well, place myself in the persona 51 00:04:01,860 --> 00:04:04,008 of an alien being and saying, 52 00:04:04,050 --> 00:04:05,508 here we are, we come in peace. 53 00:04:05,550 --> 00:04:08,688 You know, that's certainly something I would hope. 54 00:04:08,730 --> 00:04:11,388 - If aliens are intelligent, they're also curious, 55 00:04:11,430 --> 00:04:14,538 and that curiosity is going to force them to go out 56 00:04:14,580 --> 00:04:17,268 and examine everything they have access to, 57 00:04:17,310 --> 00:04:19,908 which could include us. 58 00:04:19,950 --> 00:04:21,213 - If I'm a being, 59 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:27,320 I'm choosing people who can convey my message in a way that 60 00:04:29,190 --> 00:04:30,978 would leave very little doubt. 61 00:04:31,020 --> 00:04:33,828 - Why would they need to have such extensive 62 00:04:33,870 --> 00:04:35,538 direct interactions with us 63 00:04:35,580 --> 00:04:38,148 when everything that they could possibly need from us, 64 00:04:38,190 --> 00:04:39,588 they could take without really having 65 00:04:39,630 --> 00:04:41,898 to expose themselves at all, 66 00:04:41,940 --> 00:04:42,828 we wouldn't really even need 67 00:04:42,870 --> 00:04:43,938 to know about their existence. 68 00:04:43,980 --> 00:04:46,368 The fact that we do would indicate that they are 69 00:04:46,410 --> 00:04:49,473 whatever they are wanting us to think in a particular way, 70 00:04:50,310 --> 00:04:52,610 probably more about ourselves than about them. 71 00:05:00,241 --> 00:05:02,824 (rocket blast) 72 00:05:18,060 --> 00:05:19,728 - My name is Elisa Quintana. 73 00:05:19,770 --> 00:05:22,158 I'm a astrophysicist at NASA Goddard 74 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,258 and I'm the deputy project scientist 75 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:25,638 for NASA's test mission. 76 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,456 This is the Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite. 77 00:05:28,498 --> 00:05:31,038 This is a space mission looking for planets 78 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:32,538 outside of our solar system, 79 00:05:32,580 --> 00:05:34,578 including those that are small like earth. 80 00:05:34,620 --> 00:05:36,258 Ultimately we're looking for planets 81 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:38,148 that are in a Goldilock zone, 82 00:05:38,190 --> 00:05:41,140 so they're not too close to their star where it's very hot, 83 00:05:42,310 --> 00:05:43,968 they're also not too far away where it's very cold. 84 00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:45,678 They're in a temperate region 85 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,538 just like earth is around the sun. 86 00:05:47,580 --> 00:05:49,548 They're in a region that would allow the good water 87 00:05:49,590 --> 00:05:50,808 on a planet surface. 88 00:05:50,850 --> 00:05:53,028 Using this transit method we can determine 89 00:05:53,070 --> 00:05:55,068 the size of a planet, it's orbit 90 00:05:55,110 --> 00:05:57,858 and we can ultimately determine which planets 91 00:05:57,900 --> 00:06:01,098 are in the habitable zones of these stars. 92 00:06:01,140 --> 00:06:04,548 So in the early days of searching for other planets, 93 00:06:04,590 --> 00:06:06,888 we were really focusing on sun-like stars. 94 00:06:06,930 --> 00:06:10,008 What we now know is that the most common type of star 95 00:06:10,050 --> 00:06:12,468 that has planets are these M-dwarfs. 96 00:06:12,510 --> 00:06:14,678 So these are stars that are smaller, cooler 97 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,848 and redder than the sun 98 00:06:16,890 --> 00:06:18,768 and they emit different light. 99 00:06:18,810 --> 00:06:21,018 So they emit light in the infrared. 100 00:06:21,060 --> 00:06:23,148 They're very, very different from the sun. 101 00:06:23,190 --> 00:06:25,758 Planets that evolve in the habitable zones of these stars 102 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,188 will have a very different environment. 103 00:06:28,230 --> 00:06:29,988 I often wonder what kind of life 104 00:06:30,030 --> 00:06:32,793 would evolve under infrared light. 105 00:06:33,638 --> 00:06:34,429 What is photosynthesis like? 106 00:06:34,471 --> 00:06:37,188 We have these green plants that evolve under the sun. 107 00:06:37,230 --> 00:06:39,078 Will we have black trees 108 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,728 or will we have some new form of life 109 00:06:40,770 --> 00:06:42,048 that we can't even imagine 110 00:06:42,090 --> 00:06:43,938 that are forming on these stars 111 00:06:43,980 --> 00:06:46,008 that are the most abundant in the sky. 112 00:06:46,050 --> 00:06:51,050 A huge goal of NASA is to find another earth like planet 113 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:52,218 that could have life, 114 00:06:52,260 --> 00:06:53,880 even intelligent life. 115 00:06:59,817 --> 00:07:02,817 (suspenseful music) 116 00:07:05,580 --> 00:07:08,663 - (foreign language) 117 00:08:14,443 --> 00:08:16,518 - I think it would be fascinating if 118 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:17,661 we were to find intelligent life 119 00:08:17,703 --> 00:08:19,848 that was very different from ours. 120 00:08:19,890 --> 00:08:21,558 Life where we could learn 121 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,808 and really advance ourselves. 122 00:08:23,850 --> 00:08:25,908 - [Interviewer] So what is the ultimate goal here? 123 00:08:25,950 --> 00:08:28,698 Once the generational program down the road finds 124 00:08:28,740 --> 00:08:30,528 that there not only is life there, 125 00:08:30,570 --> 00:08:32,388 but there's a civilization there, 126 00:08:32,430 --> 00:08:33,714 what happens next? 127 00:08:33,756 --> 00:08:34,547 (laughs) 128 00:08:34,589 --> 00:08:35,710 - That's a really good question. 129 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,608 Everyone is so focused on building the next flagship 130 00:08:40,650 --> 00:08:42,768 that's gonna image the earth, and then what? 131 00:08:42,810 --> 00:08:43,949 Like, I guess- 132 00:08:43,991 --> 00:08:46,578 (laughs) 133 00:08:46,620 --> 00:08:49,248 So if we find life on another planet, 134 00:08:49,290 --> 00:08:51,918 what are the next steps that NASA's gonna do? 135 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,408 What are the next steps that the community is gonna do? 136 00:08:54,450 --> 00:08:59,028 Should we contact and communicate with these other planets? 137 00:08:59,070 --> 00:09:01,878 And that is a whole new discussion area 138 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,148 that people are actually talking about. 139 00:09:05,190 --> 00:09:07,188 And I don't know what the next steps would be. 140 00:09:07,230 --> 00:09:09,648 The SETI Institute does have a procedure 141 00:09:09,690 --> 00:09:11,718 for if they were to find life, 142 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,398 they actually have, you know, a manual. 143 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,360 There's a proper procedure of writing a publication 144 00:09:16,402 --> 00:09:18,243 and what should we do next. 145 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,548 - Because I'm involved in the search 146 00:09:22,590 --> 00:09:24,618 for extraterrestrial intelligence, 147 00:09:24,660 --> 00:09:25,728 people will ask, 148 00:09:25,770 --> 00:09:27,408 do you really think there are aliens out there? 149 00:09:27,450 --> 00:09:29,328 I mean, do you think there's any life out there? 150 00:09:29,370 --> 00:09:30,918 And of course I do. 151 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,538 I mean that's why I took the job really. 152 00:09:32,580 --> 00:09:33,468 And why do I think that? 153 00:09:33,510 --> 00:09:34,608 It's not pretty because we found it, 154 00:09:34,650 --> 00:09:36,252 cuz we haven't, 155 00:09:36,294 --> 00:09:38,508 but what we now know and something that we didn't know 156 00:09:38,550 --> 00:09:42,468 even 25 years ago is that the universe is just shock, 157 00:09:42,510 --> 00:09:44,148 a block with planets. 158 00:09:44,190 --> 00:09:45,978 They're roughly a trillion planets 159 00:09:46,020 --> 00:09:47,478 just in the Milky Way galaxy 160 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,578 and we can see trillions of other galaxies, 161 00:09:49,620 --> 00:09:51,978 so that's a lot of planet pleasure, right? 162 00:09:52,020 --> 00:09:54,948 There are so many worlds out there that to think that, 163 00:09:54,990 --> 00:09:58,698 well no, only earth has produced life or intelligent life, 164 00:09:58,740 --> 00:10:02,148 that sounds like a lot of hubris to me. 165 00:10:02,190 --> 00:10:05,568 Turns out that the techniques used for studying galaxies, 166 00:10:05,610 --> 00:10:06,798 which is what I used to do. 167 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,048 SETI uses many of the same techniques 168 00:10:09,090 --> 00:10:11,028 that I was using to study galaxies. 169 00:10:11,070 --> 00:10:12,888 In other words, you know, big antennas, 170 00:10:12,930 --> 00:10:14,122 call 'em radio telescopes 171 00:10:14,164 --> 00:10:15,978 and just point them in the direction 172 00:10:16,020 --> 00:10:17,118 of some nearby stars 173 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,708 hoping that there's somebody on a planet 174 00:10:18,750 --> 00:10:21,288 around those stars who's broadcasting a signal 175 00:10:21,330 --> 00:10:22,938 that we could pick up and prove 176 00:10:22,980 --> 00:10:25,158 that we have some company there. 177 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:26,448 So what if we get a signal? 178 00:10:26,490 --> 00:10:29,508 I mean, we might get a signal from deep space tomorrow, 179 00:10:29,550 --> 00:10:30,708 next week, next year, 180 00:10:30,750 --> 00:10:32,628 10 years from now, we don't know, 181 00:10:32,670 --> 00:10:33,663 but what happens? 182 00:10:34,540 --> 00:10:35,331 I can tell you what's really gonna happen 183 00:10:35,373 --> 00:10:36,438 because we've had false alarms, 184 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,278 and in a false alarm, 185 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,688 you see what actually happens. 186 00:10:38,730 --> 00:10:40,428 The media start calling up 187 00:10:40,470 --> 00:10:42,288 because there's no policy of secrecy. 188 00:10:42,330 --> 00:10:44,808 Everybody's sending emails or text messages 189 00:10:44,850 --> 00:10:46,998 or calling their mom or whatever they're doing. 190 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,488 So the news that we picked up a signal gets out 191 00:10:49,530 --> 00:10:51,288 within minutes and the experience 192 00:10:51,330 --> 00:10:53,028 that we've had is when that happens, 193 00:10:53,070 --> 00:10:56,448 even before we've checked out whether it's for real or not, 194 00:10:56,490 --> 00:10:58,848 the local TV stations, the newspapers 195 00:10:58,890 --> 00:11:00,708 and the media start calling. 196 00:11:00,750 --> 00:11:02,988 - Scientists have a mystery on their hands. 197 00:11:03,030 --> 00:11:05,358 Signals from outer space are being detected. 198 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,208 What's most exciting about this signal from outer space 199 00:11:08,250 --> 00:11:11,538 is that it repeats itself every 16 days. 200 00:11:11,580 --> 00:11:12,588 - If the signal's strong enough 201 00:11:12,630 --> 00:11:14,118 some believe to raise the possibility 202 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,578 that it was sent intentionally by aliens. 203 00:11:16,620 --> 00:11:19,923 - One radio versus wavelength light was converted to sound. 204 00:11:23,490 --> 00:11:24,708 - So if I were an alien, 205 00:11:24,750 --> 00:11:26,838 how would I find intelligent life on earth? 206 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:27,671 Or for that matter, 207 00:11:27,713 --> 00:11:28,668 any life on earth? 208 00:11:28,710 --> 00:11:31,218 Now finding life is kind of a simpler problem 209 00:11:31,260 --> 00:11:33,768 for the aliens than finding intelligent life 210 00:11:33,810 --> 00:11:37,014 because all they have to do is build a big telescope 211 00:11:37,056 --> 00:11:40,848 and analyze the atmosphere of our planet of Earth. 212 00:11:40,890 --> 00:11:44,688 And they would find 20% of that atmosphere is oxygen. 213 00:11:44,730 --> 00:11:46,548 And normally that's not a component 214 00:11:46,590 --> 00:11:49,668 of the gases in the atmosphere of planets, 215 00:11:49,710 --> 00:11:51,108 but it is of ours. 216 00:11:51,150 --> 00:11:53,748 So if the aliens can find oxygen in our atmosphere, 217 00:11:53,790 --> 00:11:55,218 that would be a strong clue that there's 218 00:11:55,260 --> 00:11:58,548 some sort of biology here, at least photosynthesis. 219 00:11:58,590 --> 00:12:01,548 That wouldn't tell 'em that homo sapiens is here of course, 220 00:12:01,590 --> 00:12:04,383 but what would is if they can build big antennas 221 00:12:04,425 --> 00:12:09,198 and pick up our television or our radars or our FM radio 222 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,968 because if there's been enough time 223 00:12:11,010 --> 00:12:12,438 for those signals to get out to them, 224 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:13,271 they'll pick that up and they say, 225 00:12:13,313 --> 00:12:14,868 well, we don't know what's down there, 226 00:12:14,910 --> 00:12:16,908 but whatever it is it's pretty clever 227 00:12:16,950 --> 00:12:19,203 because they can engineer a transmitter. 228 00:12:35,730 --> 00:12:38,722 - For a long time I banged my head against the wall 229 00:12:38,764 --> 00:12:41,478 looking for a theory of consciousness 230 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,319 in purely physical terms that would work. 231 00:12:44,361 --> 00:12:46,428 I'm David Chalmers, 232 00:12:46,470 --> 00:12:49,608 I'm a professor of philosophy at New York University 233 00:12:49,650 --> 00:12:51,918 where I'm also co-director of 234 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,603 the Center for Mind, Brain and Consciousness. 235 00:12:55,530 --> 00:12:58,758 I'm a philosopher, so I think about foundational ideas 236 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,398 about the mind, about the world, 237 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,338 about knowledge, about reality. 238 00:13:04,380 --> 00:13:06,258 How is the human mind even possible? 239 00:13:06,300 --> 00:13:07,938 I think about artificial minds. 240 00:13:07,980 --> 00:13:09,978 Could a computer have a mind? 241 00:13:10,020 --> 00:13:13,908 Are there non-human minds in animals or even alien minds? 242 00:13:13,950 --> 00:13:15,708 I think about the nature of reality. 243 00:13:15,750 --> 00:13:18,258 Is the world around us real? 244 00:13:18,300 --> 00:13:21,408 How can we ever have genuine knowledge of reality? 245 00:13:21,450 --> 00:13:24,513 Or is all this somehow an illusion or a simulation? 246 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,308 - The Simulation Hypothesis is simply the hypothesis 247 00:13:31,350 --> 00:13:34,398 that we live in a computer simulation. 248 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,048 To be understood in a literal sense, 249 00:13:36,090 --> 00:13:37,458 not just as a metaphor, 250 00:13:37,500 --> 00:13:40,278 we can think of atoms as bits can. 251 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,428 No, that there is some advanced civilization 252 00:13:43,470 --> 00:13:46,089 that constructed a physical computer 253 00:13:46,131 --> 00:13:49,428 and then run some kind of program on that computer 254 00:13:49,470 --> 00:13:52,938 and we are one of the information patterns within that. 255 00:13:52,980 --> 00:13:55,758 - The venerable philosopher Renee Decartes said, 256 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,758 how do you know that you're not being fooled 257 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,358 by an evil genius who is stimulating your sensory systems 258 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,724 to produce the sense of a world around you 259 00:14:04,766 --> 00:14:06,918 when none of this is real? 260 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,588 Well, the contemporary version of that question is just 261 00:14:09,630 --> 00:14:12,228 how do you know you're not in a computer simulation 262 00:14:12,270 --> 00:14:16,188 right now where all this would seem real, but it isn't. 263 00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:19,098 - Yeah, the Simulation Hypothesis does does not mean 264 00:14:19,140 --> 00:14:23,268 to presuppose that the civilization doing the simulating, 265 00:14:23,310 --> 00:14:27,078 it would necessarily be our descendant. 266 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:28,308 Like they wouldn't have to be on earth. 267 00:14:28,350 --> 00:14:30,678 You could imagine extraterrestrial civilizations 268 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,688 creating all kinds of simulations 269 00:14:32,730 --> 00:14:36,724 of other extraterrestrial civilizations of their origins 270 00:14:36,766 --> 00:14:39,498 or maybe just fantasy simulations. 271 00:14:39,540 --> 00:14:41,058 - For me, I got into this in part 272 00:14:41,100 --> 00:14:42,438 because 20 odd years ago, 273 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,355 just after The Matrix movie came out, 274 00:14:44,397 --> 00:14:46,578 the Wachowskis, director of The Matrix, 275 00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:49,248 Lorenzo philosophy, and they actually signed up 276 00:14:49,290 --> 00:14:51,648 a bunch of philosophers to write philosophically 277 00:14:51,690 --> 00:14:52,758 about the movie. 278 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:53,958 So I ended up writing an article 279 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,538 called The Matrix as Metaphysics. 280 00:14:56,580 --> 00:14:58,275 And the central idea was even if we are 281 00:14:58,317 --> 00:15:02,073 living in the matrix, all this is still perfectly real. 282 00:15:03,562 --> 00:15:06,708 - So it would be unlike The Matrix in the sense that 283 00:15:06,750 --> 00:15:11,478 the brain itself would be part of the simulation as well. 284 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,608 That would be the most cost efficient way 285 00:15:13,650 --> 00:15:15,078 of producing human experience. 286 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,938 Not to have these biological, 287 00:15:16,980 --> 00:15:19,608 organic brains floating in nutrient tanks 288 00:15:19,650 --> 00:15:21,918 and then connecting them via some cable 289 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,218 to a virtual reality, but just simulate the whole thing. 290 00:15:25,260 --> 00:15:26,877 You could run many more simulations 291 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:29,778 for the same amount of dollars as technological maturity 292 00:15:29,820 --> 00:15:32,808 if you did it all in silicon than if you had this 293 00:15:32,850 --> 00:15:34,488 wetware component in there as well. 294 00:15:34,530 --> 00:15:36,318 - The traditional idea has been 295 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,884 that if we're in a simulation, 296 00:15:37,926 --> 00:15:39,918 none of this is real. 297 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,478 I think I have hands, 298 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,278 I think there's a table here, 299 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,367 I think there's a sculpture here. 300 00:15:45,409 --> 00:15:48,918 Many people would say that if this is a simulation, 301 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,003 none of that is genuinely real. 302 00:15:58,770 --> 00:16:01,158 What I wanna say is even if we're in a simulation, 303 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,178 all this is real. 304 00:16:02,220 --> 00:16:04,384 I still have hands, there's still a table here, 305 00:16:04,426 --> 00:16:06,708 there's still a sculpture here. 306 00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:08,598 It's just that all these things are made 307 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,358 at a more fundamental level, out of bits, 308 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,788 out of processes inside a computer, 309 00:16:13,830 --> 00:16:16,968 but digital processes are real processes too. 310 00:16:17,010 --> 00:16:20,628 So I wanna say simulation is reality. 311 00:16:20,670 --> 00:16:23,628 - We don't know that much about the motivations 312 00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:26,628 or the psychology of these possible simulators, 313 00:16:26,670 --> 00:16:28,638 but we can reflect that if there are many 314 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,188 of these civilizations out in the cosmos 315 00:16:31,230 --> 00:16:33,288 with the capability of running simulations, 316 00:16:33,330 --> 00:16:35,538 it would suffice if only a few of them 317 00:16:35,580 --> 00:16:37,458 were still interested in doing this 318 00:16:37,500 --> 00:16:40,473 with even just a small fraction of their resources. 319 00:16:41,490 --> 00:16:45,018 - As soon as you start thinking about the simulation idea, 320 00:16:45,060 --> 00:16:45,978 the question comes up, 321 00:16:46,020 --> 00:16:48,768 who created the simulation? 322 00:16:48,810 --> 00:16:49,818 Is it a god? 323 00:16:49,860 --> 00:16:53,448 I mean this simulator is a created reality. 324 00:16:53,490 --> 00:16:57,108 They're all powerful, all knowing maybe, about this reality 325 00:16:57,150 --> 00:16:59,058 that makes them kind of God-like. 326 00:16:59,100 --> 00:17:00,288 At the same time, 327 00:17:00,330 --> 00:17:02,658 the simulator didn't be much like a God at all. 328 00:17:02,700 --> 00:17:05,838 It might just be a teenage hacker in the next universe up 329 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,358 or 26 dimensional octopus 330 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,668 but from an entirely different reality. 331 00:17:10,710 --> 00:17:13,360 No reason at all to think they're particularly godly. 332 00:17:15,010 --> 00:17:17,927 (sound of ticking) 333 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,108 - I am Dr. Michael Masters. 334 00:17:24,150 --> 00:17:26,973 I'm a professor of biological anthropology. 335 00:17:28,534 --> 00:17:31,098 I should probably list where I do that, huh? 336 00:17:31,140 --> 00:17:32,595 Yeah. 337 00:17:32,637 --> 00:17:33,888 (Michael chuckles) 338 00:17:33,930 --> 00:17:37,113 And author of the book Identified Flying Objects. 339 00:17:38,730 --> 00:17:40,008 Leading up to now, 340 00:17:40,050 --> 00:17:42,798 we've seen a lot of different theories proposed. 341 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,538 It's important to consider all of these 342 00:17:44,580 --> 00:17:47,388 and it's great to see that evolution of this field 343 00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:50,538 where it's not just blind acceptance of one idea, 344 00:17:50,580 --> 00:17:51,738 but we're asking questions 345 00:17:51,780 --> 00:17:53,478 and we're really trying to dig deep 346 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,598 into the subject matter and to figure out the origins 347 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,878 of these individuals and their craft. 348 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,918 Obviously the dominant model for a long time 349 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,138 has been the extraterrestrial hypothesis 350 00:18:03,180 --> 00:18:06,108 that they come from a different planet somewhere else 351 00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:07,938 around a different solar system, 352 00:18:07,980 --> 00:18:09,618 likely within our galaxy. 353 00:18:09,660 --> 00:18:11,628 We would see them coming down from the sky. 354 00:18:11,670 --> 00:18:13,578 Our first gut response would be, 355 00:18:13,620 --> 00:18:15,138 they must come from those stars, 356 00:18:15,180 --> 00:18:17,688 but if we look at all of their characteristics, 357 00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:20,898 the craft themselves appear to have many qualities 358 00:18:20,940 --> 00:18:22,771 that would indicate that they have the capability 359 00:18:22,813 --> 00:18:24,798 of bending back time. 360 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,624 Perhaps it's time to consider other possibilities 361 00:18:26,666 --> 00:18:30,573 and that they are in fact from time rather than space. 362 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,038 - In quantum mechanics and in general relativity, 363 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:35,928 there were phenomena that we couldn't 364 00:18:35,970 --> 00:18:38,268 fully understand and characterize. 365 00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:40,158 Now we have the math to describe it. 366 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,068 Now we have the physics and it's no longer scary 367 00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:45,678 to conceptualize time dilation 368 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,178 or the double slit experiment. 369 00:18:47,220 --> 00:18:50,268 We have math that can predict essentially 370 00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:53,598 what the distribution of say a particle will be like. 371 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,998 - Many reports of these fast moving objects 372 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:57,888 is that they sort of almost pulsate 373 00:18:57,930 --> 00:19:01,488 or there's a fluctuation to them as they move, 374 00:19:01,530 --> 00:19:04,017 possibly skipping through parts of time 375 00:19:04,059 --> 00:19:05,778 as they move through space. 376 00:19:05,820 --> 00:19:07,278 And looking at the craft themselves 377 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,001 and especially the inertial forces, 378 00:19:09,043 --> 00:19:11,238 if they're, as we see them, 379 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,698 rapidly shooting across the sky, 380 00:19:13,740 --> 00:19:16,818 any sort of inertial movement like that 381 00:19:16,860 --> 00:19:19,368 is going to splatter any biological creature 382 00:19:19,410 --> 00:19:20,988 against that craft. 383 00:19:21,030 --> 00:19:24,018 - The one hint that I believe helps us 384 00:19:24,060 --> 00:19:25,595 in trying to figure out this mystery 385 00:19:25,637 --> 00:19:28,938 is that I believe at least no biological entity 386 00:19:28,980 --> 00:19:31,518 would be able to cross such vast distances. 387 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,428 They would at the very least require tons of food. 388 00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:36,138 They would require bathrooms. 389 00:19:36,180 --> 00:19:38,688 They would have to require a gravity environment 390 00:19:38,730 --> 00:19:40,848 that's the same as their home world. 391 00:19:40,890 --> 00:19:42,678 There would be so many nuances. 392 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,708 There would be long distance times of hundreds of years, 393 00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:47,868 maybe even thousands or tens of thousands. 394 00:19:47,910 --> 00:19:50,058 - The only possible way they might be able to do this 395 00:19:50,100 --> 00:19:53,808 to survive those forces is by controlling the passage 396 00:19:53,850 --> 00:19:57,648 of time in their relative reference frame inside that craft. 397 00:19:57,690 --> 00:19:59,958 Whereas we see a rapid acceleration, 398 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,538 it may be a very slow acceleration to them. 399 00:20:02,580 --> 00:20:04,818 A great analogy is looking at 400 00:20:04,860 --> 00:20:07,878 how different organisms perceive time. 401 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,798 So when we try to swat a fly, 402 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,438 we see it as this fly swatter coming down 403 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,848 at a very high rate of speed. 404 00:20:13,890 --> 00:20:14,838 Whereas that fly, 405 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,149 because it perceives time 406 00:20:16,191 --> 00:20:18,918 with different frames per unit time, 407 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,188 may see that fly swatter coming down very slowly 408 00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:24,198 and it says, I've gotta get out of the way of this 409 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:25,878 and it moves out of the way 410 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,408 and we feel like we just missed it 411 00:20:27,450 --> 00:20:29,808 and it felt like it had all day to escape. 412 00:20:29,850 --> 00:20:32,238 So the same thing applies when you talk about 413 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,648 the relativity of time outside of 414 00:20:33,690 --> 00:20:35,568 biological organisms as well. 415 00:20:35,610 --> 00:20:37,668 - It makes me think that the things 416 00:20:37,710 --> 00:20:40,158 that we're looking at aren't biological. 417 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:41,898 They could be considered life forms 418 00:20:41,940 --> 00:20:43,398 just because they're that advanced 419 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,078 that they can build these things, 420 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:50,120 but they may be beyond what we describe as traditional life 421 00:20:50,340 --> 00:20:53,778 and how we describe what's living and what's not living. 422 00:20:53,820 --> 00:20:57,678 - There are a number of reports of close encounters 423 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,068 that would seem to corroborate this time travel model. 424 00:21:01,110 --> 00:21:05,449 Amy Rylands, who was taken from her home in Australia 425 00:21:05,491 --> 00:21:09,708 and was found a short period after, 426 00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:12,318 but many hundreds of miles away. 427 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:15,108 She was taken to the hospital directly after 428 00:21:15,150 --> 00:21:18,798 and the doctors found that the growth of her body hair 429 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,408 was consistent with being gone for multiple days. 430 00:21:21,450 --> 00:21:24,048 And the lack of food in her stomach 431 00:21:24,090 --> 00:21:25,878 was also consistent with that. 432 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,975 This would indicate that the discrepancy 433 00:21:29,017 --> 00:21:31,458 between how long she was actually missing 434 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:33,948 and how long she reports to have been gone 435 00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:37,188 is best explained in the context of time travel. 436 00:21:37,230 --> 00:21:40,848 - There's also the idea of the direction of time. 437 00:21:40,890 --> 00:21:42,978 They could be coming from the past even. 438 00:21:43,020 --> 00:21:44,568 But what about left in time? 439 00:21:44,610 --> 00:21:48,198 What about right in time or up in time or down? 440 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,528 We can't even conceptualize what that physically looks like. 441 00:21:51,570 --> 00:21:53,418 But what if this is possible 442 00:21:53,460 --> 00:21:55,098 and somebody has mastered that 443 00:21:55,140 --> 00:21:57,708 and they're coming from a time above us 444 00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:59,853 rather than in front of us in our future? 445 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,728 - We cannot judge the intelligence of species 446 00:22:04,770 --> 00:22:07,428 in outer space by our yardstick. 447 00:22:07,470 --> 00:22:09,048 We cannot assume that they're just 448 00:22:09,090 --> 00:22:11,268 a hundred years more advanced than us. 449 00:22:11,310 --> 00:22:14,298 In which case, yeah, they can't reach us. 450 00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:17,238 But if there are thousands of years ahead of us, 451 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,613 new laws of physics begin to open up. 452 00:22:25,650 --> 00:22:28,308 - Before my experience at Rendlestrom, 453 00:22:28,350 --> 00:22:29,868 I did not believe in UFOs, 454 00:22:29,910 --> 00:22:32,088 did not believe in that type of phenomena, 455 00:22:32,130 --> 00:22:35,793 would try to debunk anything I ever heard about that. 456 00:22:35,835 --> 00:22:37,848 I thought anybody that would believe in such stuff 457 00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:42,387 was either whacked out, crazy or delirious. 458 00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:47,417 But all that changed after entering the forest that night. 459 00:22:47,459 --> 00:22:49,693 (background crowd) 460 00:22:49,735 --> 00:22:50,931 It was December, 1980. 461 00:22:50,973 --> 00:22:52,128 It was the height of the Cold War 462 00:22:52,170 --> 00:22:54,468 and I was assigned to the twin bases 463 00:22:54,510 --> 00:22:57,888 that were called RF Bentwaters and RF Woodbridge England. 464 00:22:57,930 --> 00:23:01,113 And in between those two bases was Rendlesham Forest. 465 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,868 - It was almost a perfect storm of 466 00:23:11,910 --> 00:23:14,088 what makes a UFO case compelling. 467 00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:15,348 Multiple witnesses. 468 00:23:15,390 --> 00:23:17,268 Witnesses were military personnel. 469 00:23:17,310 --> 00:23:19,098 The UFO was tracked on radar. 470 00:23:19,140 --> 00:23:20,238 This was a landing, 471 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,408 not lights in the sky. 472 00:23:21,450 --> 00:23:23,478 And all of this is backed up, 473 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,585 not just by the say so of the witnesses, 474 00:23:25,627 --> 00:23:28,494 but by the government file itself. 475 00:23:28,536 --> 00:23:29,658 - The night of the incident 476 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:31,548 we were working a midnight shift. 477 00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:33,213 Everything started out normally. 478 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:34,871 Matter of fact, 479 00:23:34,913 --> 00:23:36,318 it was rather mundane. 480 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:38,868 In the middle of getting my first cup of coffee there, 481 00:23:38,910 --> 00:23:42,588 I get a call from Central Security Control, CSC. 482 00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:44,688 They said, I need to respond to the East gate. 483 00:23:44,730 --> 00:23:46,131 Once at the East gate 484 00:23:46,173 --> 00:23:48,708 I met with Staff Sergeant Steffans. 485 00:23:48,750 --> 00:23:51,498 He was the senior law enforcement patrolman. 486 00:23:51,540 --> 00:23:53,568 And I said, what's going on, Bud? 487 00:23:53,610 --> 00:23:57,588 And he seemed shook and he seemed upset. 488 00:23:57,630 --> 00:24:00,318 He took his finger and he started pointing 489 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:02,298 over toward Rendlesham Forest 490 00:24:02,340 --> 00:24:04,218 and so I looked over there and I says, 491 00:24:04,260 --> 00:24:05,051 what is that? 492 00:24:05,093 --> 00:24:06,198 You know, I could see some light, 493 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,018 like a bubble light over the canopy of the forest. 494 00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:11,238 In the darker part of the forest toward the ground 495 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,938 you could see multiple color lights going on and off. 496 00:24:13,980 --> 00:24:15,645 While we're in the middle of that conversation, 497 00:24:15,687 --> 00:24:17,868 Sergeant Coffey, the senior controller, 498 00:24:17,910 --> 00:24:20,418 comes back, he says, be advised, 499 00:24:20,460 --> 00:24:22,288 he said, I just checked the lender radar, 500 00:24:22,330 --> 00:24:25,638 eastern radar and Bentwater's radar. 501 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,918 And we lost contact with a bogey, 502 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,108 some type of craft 15 minutes ago. 503 00:24:30,150 --> 00:24:34,038 So we had confirmation of a possible aircraft crash. 504 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,138 Bud says, no, it didn't crash, Jim. 505 00:24:36,180 --> 00:24:37,130 He said, it landed. 506 00:24:38,190 --> 00:24:39,798 As we approached the forest edge 507 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,289 I have airman Kazak behind me about 150 feet. 508 00:24:43,331 --> 00:24:45,498 He stand for patrol point. 509 00:24:45,540 --> 00:24:49,128 I have airman burrows 25 to 30 feet over here to my right. 510 00:24:49,170 --> 00:24:53,088 Normally you would hear wind through the trees. 511 00:24:53,130 --> 00:24:54,828 There was no sound at all. 512 00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:56,778 Actually it was eerily quiet. 513 00:24:56,820 --> 00:24:59,058 So I couldn't hear like, you know, forest animals. 514 00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:02,088 I couldn't even hear my feet on the forest floor, 515 00:25:02,130 --> 00:25:03,948 that which had debris on it. 516 00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:07,818 I started feeling static electricity on my face and my skin. 517 00:25:07,860 --> 00:25:10,188 My movements were labored. 518 00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:12,948 Comparison for that would be like walking through a pool, 519 00:25:12,990 --> 00:25:14,388 water waist high. 520 00:25:14,430 --> 00:25:17,328 I look over my right for about 15 feet around 521 00:25:17,370 --> 00:25:19,083 is like a wall of light. 522 00:25:19,125 --> 00:25:21,528 As we approach the forest edge, 523 00:25:21,570 --> 00:25:24,078 I'm starting to see a formation of a craft, 524 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:25,653 triangular in shape. 525 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,658 I have the feeling as well, 526 00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:33,078 this cannot be in any Jane's Book of Aircraft. 527 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,328 And it's not an aircraft that was designed 528 00:25:35,370 --> 00:25:37,338 by anything on this planet. 529 00:25:37,380 --> 00:25:39,168 My emotions were all over the place. 530 00:25:39,210 --> 00:25:40,338 They're running from the gamut, 531 00:25:40,380 --> 00:25:45,318 from being scared to in awe. 532 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:46,308 I got my camera, 533 00:25:46,350 --> 00:25:47,178 I pop it out. 534 00:25:47,220 --> 00:25:48,736 I shot as much film as I could. 535 00:25:48,778 --> 00:25:51,168 (camera clicks) 536 00:25:51,210 --> 00:25:52,728 But I started looking underneath the craft, 537 00:25:52,770 --> 00:25:54,288 I thought I was curious. 538 00:25:54,330 --> 00:25:57,138 I was wondering how is this sitting above the forest floor? 539 00:25:57,180 --> 00:25:58,428 And when I looked underneath 540 00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:59,478 I could see nothing but light under it, 541 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:00,438 like white light. 542 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,423 There was three indentions in the ground, 543 00:26:04,287 --> 00:26:05,285 triangular. 544 00:26:05,327 --> 00:26:06,888 They were probably an inch, inch and a half deep. 545 00:26:06,930 --> 00:26:09,978 Somehow this light created those indentions. 546 00:26:10,020 --> 00:26:13,736 I thought, well maybe it's still mobile or it could move. 547 00:26:13,778 --> 00:26:17,838 And I thought I could push the craft to see if it, you know, 548 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,393 if you had a car out there for example, 549 00:26:19,435 --> 00:26:22,188 you could push it on the side and you would move, 550 00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:23,868 you know, a half inch or inch. 551 00:26:23,910 --> 00:26:24,888 This was solid. 552 00:26:24,930 --> 00:26:26,328 The skin of the craft, 553 00:26:26,370 --> 00:26:27,558 it was completely smooth. 554 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,058 There was no riveting like black glass that was shiny. 555 00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:33,648 When I was touching it, 556 00:26:33,690 --> 00:26:35,358 it was warm to the touch. 557 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,735 I later find out it had radiation. 558 00:26:37,777 --> 00:26:40,820 I got a glimpse of the side of the craft, 559 00:26:40,862 --> 00:26:42,678 it looked like writing. 560 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,478 I'm thinking, oh great, you know, 561 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,668 it's gonna say NASA or Soviet Union. 562 00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:49,488 As they get closer to it, it's not writing, 563 00:26:49,530 --> 00:26:52,008 but more pictorial glyphs drawn on it. 564 00:26:52,050 --> 00:26:56,148 They measured about three feet wide by five inches high. 565 00:26:56,190 --> 00:26:59,808 And then on top of those pictorial glyphs, 566 00:26:59,850 --> 00:27:03,168 they had a larger glyph that was a triangular one 567 00:27:03,210 --> 00:27:04,438 with a bigger circle around it. 568 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,408 I was just completely baffled. 569 00:27:06,450 --> 00:27:07,518 None of it's making sense. 570 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,754 I can't rationalize it. 571 00:27:08,796 --> 00:27:12,352 It's nothing like I've ever seen before or even today. 572 00:27:12,394 --> 00:27:14,838 (camera clicks) 573 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,668 This craft with radiation 574 00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:18,513 expelled all the film on my camera. 575 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,198 The craft starts generating more white-ish blue light. 576 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,838 And I see the craft start going up 577 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,508 and it goes up to the canopy of the forest 578 00:27:29,550 --> 00:27:31,518 and it's just sort of momentarily hovers there 579 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,885 and then makes a right turn 580 00:27:33,927 --> 00:27:35,868 and in a blink of an eye it's gone. 581 00:27:35,910 --> 00:27:37,128 When it took off, 582 00:27:37,170 --> 00:27:38,917 it didn't have no air displacement, 583 00:27:38,959 --> 00:27:42,378 it had no sound, it had no sonic boom. 584 00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:43,805 None of those, it was void of those two. 585 00:27:43,847 --> 00:27:45,798 One of the thoughts I'd never released in it, 586 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:46,878 not even in the book, 587 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,428 is I thought that there was a strong possibility 588 00:27:49,470 --> 00:27:51,258 the craft was organic, 589 00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:53,868 the craft skin itself was metal and all that, 590 00:27:53,910 --> 00:27:55,128 but it seems organic. 591 00:27:55,170 --> 00:27:56,778 Even the look of it seems organic 592 00:27:56,820 --> 00:28:00,243 because of the structure of the craft itself. 593 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,838 From their perspective, 594 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,661 it was definitely not hostile. 595 00:28:04,703 --> 00:28:05,998 (camera clicks) 596 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,098 Freely let me walk around, examine it. 597 00:28:07,140 --> 00:28:08,298 Allowed me to take notes, 598 00:28:08,340 --> 00:28:09,131 allows me to touch it. 599 00:28:09,173 --> 00:28:11,358 It allows me to have an exchange with it. 600 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,358 I think its intentions was to communicate, 601 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,623 that's why it was there. 602 00:28:23,793 --> 00:28:27,044 (upbeat music) 603 00:28:27,086 --> 00:28:28,248 - The US Navy has finally acknowledged that video 604 00:28:28,290 --> 00:28:30,768 is appearing to show UFOs flying through the air- 605 00:28:30,810 --> 00:28:31,758 - Are genuine. 606 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,618 They do in fact show aerial phenomenon 607 00:28:33,660 --> 00:28:35,259 the Navy cannot explain. 608 00:28:35,301 --> 00:28:37,368 And that in fact our understanding 609 00:28:37,410 --> 00:28:39,048 of physics cannot explain. 610 00:28:39,090 --> 00:28:40,428 - These are Navy pilots. 611 00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:42,097 This isn't like a farmer who may have no idea 612 00:28:42,139 --> 00:28:43,399 how a plane is constructed. 613 00:28:43,441 --> 00:28:44,783 - [Participant] Right. 614 00:28:44,825 --> 00:28:47,148 - These are experts baffled. 615 00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:48,468 - [Participant] On aviation, you're right. 616 00:28:48,510 --> 00:28:52,818 - This is massive news that could shatter 617 00:28:52,860 --> 00:28:56,658 our entire conception of the universe and our place in it. 618 00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:58,758 The US Navy has confirmed the existence 619 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,675 of Unidentified Flying Objects. 620 00:29:00,717 --> 00:29:03,800 (plane engine whirs) 621 00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:06,708 - My name is Kevin Day, 622 00:29:06,750 --> 00:29:09,228 I'm a former operations specialist senior chief. 623 00:29:09,270 --> 00:29:10,968 My job during the Tic-Tac encounter, 624 00:29:11,010 --> 00:29:12,378 I was a air defense expert 625 00:29:12,420 --> 00:29:14,120 assisting the captain of the ship. 626 00:29:17,580 --> 00:29:20,208 On or about the 10th of November I went up to contact. 627 00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:23,061 I noticed these really bizarre radar contacts 628 00:29:23,103 --> 00:29:24,888 on my radar display. 629 00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:27,269 The reason why I say they were weird is because 630 00:29:27,311 --> 00:29:29,238 they were in a group of between five or six 631 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,468 at that particular day. 632 00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:33,708 They were 28,000 feet going a hundred knots. 633 00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:35,868 Normally something that high going that slow 634 00:29:35,910 --> 00:29:37,338 is gonna fall out of the sky. 635 00:29:37,380 --> 00:29:39,048 So I started coordinating with the bridge team 636 00:29:39,090 --> 00:29:40,878 cuz I wanted them to actually go on the, 637 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,318 what we call the big eye binoculars, 638 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,298 and try to find them in the sky cuz I wanted some 639 00:29:44,340 --> 00:29:46,278 sort of visual information on these things. 640 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,188 - Kevin was very adamant about having me go back and forth 641 00:29:49,230 --> 00:29:51,124 from the bridge wings talking to my lookouts 642 00:29:51,166 --> 00:29:54,018 and scanning the sky for air contacts. 643 00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:57,018 It just wasn't really a job that I needed to be doing. 644 00:29:57,060 --> 00:29:59,118 I needed to be managing the whole bridge that night. 645 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,288 It was really curious to me that Kevin was so concerned 646 00:30:03,330 --> 00:30:06,168 that the chief on the bridge find the air contacts. 647 00:30:06,210 --> 00:30:08,718 I saw a constellation of stars hanging in the sky 648 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,068 that just didn't seem to fit. 649 00:30:10,110 --> 00:30:12,948 They were in a constellation of five to seven stars 650 00:30:12,990 --> 00:30:15,378 hanging approximately 45 degrees in the air 651 00:30:15,420 --> 00:30:18,078 and about 2000 feet up off the port bow of the ship. 652 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,878 And as I lifted the binoculars up to look at them, 653 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,038 all of the stars at once began to move 654 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,230 counterclockwise and in towards the center. 655 00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:29,178 These were definitely not conventional aircraft. 656 00:30:29,220 --> 00:30:30,348 Every single thing that was in 657 00:30:30,390 --> 00:30:32,538 that battle space was managed. 658 00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:34,038 Everything was tracked, 659 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,778 everything had a name, a number, 660 00:30:35,820 --> 00:30:37,518 and had someone watching it on a scope 661 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,408 or making sure that he either got home safe 662 00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:40,998 or got disposed of properly. 663 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,978 It was pretty simple to me that what I was seeing 664 00:30:43,020 --> 00:30:44,875 was unlike anything I'd ever seen before. 665 00:30:44,917 --> 00:30:47,708 I turned to the lookout to my left and I said, 666 00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:49,788 did you see fucking see that? 667 00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:51,322 And he nodded at me with his mouth open 668 00:30:51,364 --> 00:30:53,208 and we just looked at each other for a minute 669 00:30:53,250 --> 00:30:54,750 and looked back up at the sky. 670 00:30:57,031 --> 00:30:58,278 - At one point Sean calls me down to combat. 671 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,076 He says, Hey Kevin, I gotta talk to you man. 672 00:31:00,118 --> 00:31:01,698 I'm getting kind of scared up here 673 00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:03,498 cuz this is like an oh shit moment 674 00:31:03,540 --> 00:31:05,628 cuz no one on the bridge knows what these things are 675 00:31:05,670 --> 00:31:08,313 and why aren't you guys doing anything about this? 676 00:31:09,187 --> 00:31:10,533 (upbeat music) 677 00:31:10,575 --> 00:31:11,366 I went over to the AIC and I said, 678 00:31:11,408 --> 00:31:13,068 Hey, I want you to go ahead and intercept 679 00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:13,901 with one of those contact 680 00:31:13,943 --> 00:31:16,440 that would just happen to be Commander FRAs flight. 681 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,868 - He says, Hey sir, we've seen these objects, 682 00:31:20,910 --> 00:31:23,718 they've been for two weeks they've been coming down 683 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:24,858 and he's given us the whole story. 684 00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:26,778 He says, we need you to go investigate. 685 00:31:26,820 --> 00:31:28,270 We wanna know what these are. 686 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,598 Water is perfectly calm, no white caps. 687 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,598 I mean it's literally a perfect San Diego, California day. 688 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:36,828 - It's a pretty boring intercept 689 00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:39,079 cuz we have the coms up in the overhead speaker 690 00:31:39,121 --> 00:31:41,208 until it gets to the merge point 691 00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:43,008 we hear on the radio is a Charlie, 692 00:31:43,050 --> 00:31:45,560 I think we might have a downed aircraft. 693 00:31:45,602 --> 00:31:47,358 I'm seeing a disturbance of the water down here. 694 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,528 I'm gonna check it out. 695 00:31:48,570 --> 00:31:50,433 - It's about the size of a 737. 696 00:31:50,475 --> 00:31:52,673 It actually kind of has a shape of like a cross. 697 00:31:52,715 --> 00:31:53,838 It draws our eyes. 698 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,136 We're like, oh that's kind of odd. 699 00:31:55,178 --> 00:31:59,178 The whizo in the other airplane comes up 700 00:31:59,220 --> 00:32:01,165 and says, Hey skipper, do you? 701 00:32:01,207 --> 00:32:03,138 And that's about what he gets outta his mouth. 702 00:32:03,180 --> 00:32:06,258 And what we see is this white tic-tac looking object 703 00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:07,998 just above the surface of the water. 704 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,018 It's about 40 feet long, 705 00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:09,905 didn't have any markings on it 706 00:32:09,947 --> 00:32:11,478 and it didn't have any wings 707 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,798 and it didn't have any rotors 708 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,988 and it's just radically moving forward, back, 709 00:32:15,030 --> 00:32:16,098 left, right at will. 710 00:32:16,140 --> 00:32:17,238 So I said, I'm gonna go check it out. 711 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,948 So I start driving around and it's still doing 712 00:32:18,990 --> 00:32:20,448 its forward, back, left, right. 713 00:32:20,490 --> 00:32:21,768 We get to about the 12 o'clock position. 714 00:32:21,810 --> 00:32:23,148 I'm just in a nice easy descent. 715 00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:26,868 The tic-tac just kind of rapidly goes boop and turns. 716 00:32:26,910 --> 00:32:27,798 So now it mirrors us. 717 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,118 We're up high, we're coming down, 718 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,048 it starts coming up. 719 00:32:30,090 --> 00:32:31,398 - We hear I'm the overhead speaker. 720 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,588 Oh my god, oh my god, I'm engaged, I'm engaged. 721 00:32:33,630 --> 00:32:34,908 - This is getting interesting. 722 00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:36,948 So we kind of drive all the way around a circle. 723 00:32:36,990 --> 00:32:38,268 I'm descending, it's coming up 724 00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:40,897 and I get over to about the eight o'clock position 725 00:32:40,939 --> 00:32:43,698 of the clock and it's over at about the two o'clock position 726 00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:45,048 and I just kind of drop my nose aggressively 727 00:32:45,090 --> 00:32:46,338 and I cut across the circle 728 00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:48,018 cuz I'm trying to fly to where it's gonna be 729 00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:48,888 cuz I wanna join on it. 730 00:32:48,930 --> 00:32:50,268 I wanna see how close I can get. 731 00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:51,168 And as I'm pulling up, 732 00:32:51,210 --> 00:32:53,160 it's kind of starting to cross my nose. 733 00:32:57,090 --> 00:32:58,268 As I start to pull nose onto it, 734 00:32:58,310 --> 00:33:00,303 it just goes poof and it's gone. 735 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:04,938 I say, Hey, let's turn around 736 00:33:04,980 --> 00:33:07,548 and let's go back to see what was in the water. 737 00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:08,381 It's gone. 738 00:33:08,423 --> 00:33:10,638 Water's perfectly, there's no white water, nothing, 739 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:11,898 it's just blue. 740 00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:13,158 - My air intercept controller says, 741 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,658 uh sir, you're not gonna believe this, 742 00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:17,988 but that object is back at your cap station. 743 00:33:18,030 --> 00:33:19,308 - That was our original point where we were gonna 744 00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:20,748 hold 40 miles south of the ship. 745 00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:22,338 This thing just went from wherever we were at 746 00:33:22,380 --> 00:33:24,918 to 60 miles in 30, 40 seconds, 747 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:25,908 it's already over there. 748 00:33:25,950 --> 00:33:27,708 And it just, and they didn't track it, 749 00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:28,653 it just appeared. 750 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,908 - Whatever it was was not Newtonian physics, 751 00:33:31,950 --> 00:33:33,528 it was not classical physics, 752 00:33:33,570 --> 00:33:35,103 it had to be something else. 753 00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:38,628 Commander Fravor's flight is getting low on fuel, 754 00:33:38,670 --> 00:33:40,278 so he has to return to the carrier. 755 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,688 Next flight was getting ready to launch. 756 00:33:41,730 --> 00:33:44,178 So he goes out on the flight deck and he waves 'em down 757 00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:46,158 and he says, Hey, definitely take a airplane 758 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,355 with an At flayer pod on to record video. 759 00:33:48,397 --> 00:33:50,913 That pilot was name was Chad Underwood. 760 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,868 After flight's launch off the Nimitz 761 00:33:53,910 --> 00:33:56,238 and before I know it I've got all these intercepts going 762 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,278 and these contacts are falling out of the sky. 763 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,020 At one point it seemed to me that it was raining UFOs. 764 00:34:03,911 --> 00:34:06,828 - He goes to lock it up and immediately the radar can tell, 765 00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:09,438 it gets signals back that it's being jammed. 766 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,228 So and technically jamming is an act of war. 767 00:34:12,270 --> 00:34:15,348 Well, he's smart enough to castle to his targeting pod 768 00:34:15,390 --> 00:34:16,638 and he takes a passive track 769 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,738 and that's the video that you see of the tic-tac 770 00:34:18,780 --> 00:34:19,668 where it's just sitting in the middle 771 00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:20,538 of the screen real quiet. 772 00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:22,008 So as you look at it now, in this case, 773 00:34:22,050 --> 00:34:23,928 you would actually start to see stuff going on 774 00:34:23,970 --> 00:34:25,818 and even in TV mode, because you get exhaust, 775 00:34:25,860 --> 00:34:27,642 you know the black exhaust that comes out, 776 00:34:27,684 --> 00:34:29,268 you'll usually be able to see kind of 777 00:34:29,310 --> 00:34:30,258 some of that coming outta the back end. 778 00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:31,689 You don't see anything. 779 00:34:31,731 --> 00:34:32,693 This thing's just sitting there. 780 00:34:32,735 --> 00:34:33,526 It's just kind of sitting and all of a sudden 781 00:34:33,568 --> 00:34:35,028 off it goes to the left. 782 00:34:35,070 --> 00:34:36,558 For something to leave the field of view that fast 783 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,738 with the pod just steering is pretty fast. 784 00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:41,658 I mean, it just, it's like outta here. 785 00:34:41,700 --> 00:34:44,568 The best airplane in the world right now, F22 Raptor, 786 00:34:44,610 --> 00:34:45,885 it can't take off like that, 787 00:34:45,927 --> 00:34:47,568 especially if it's a hover. 788 00:34:47,610 --> 00:34:48,543 I mean you're talking something 789 00:34:48,585 --> 00:34:50,628 that's just sitting in space in the wind 790 00:34:50,670 --> 00:34:52,608 and then it just all of a sudden accelerates, 791 00:34:52,650 --> 00:34:53,868 airplanes don't work that way. 792 00:34:53,910 --> 00:34:56,508 So that's where I say, well it was observing us. 793 00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:59,508 It could have been communicating with whatever was there. 794 00:34:59,550 --> 00:35:00,716 My questions are, 795 00:35:00,758 --> 00:35:02,508 where'd it come from? 796 00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:03,684 That's the biggest one. 797 00:35:03,726 --> 00:35:05,066 Where'd it come from? 798 00:35:05,108 --> 00:35:07,172 What was it doing? 799 00:35:07,214 --> 00:35:08,388 I dunno if it shifted my perspective, 800 00:35:08,430 --> 00:35:09,483 but it was more of a- 801 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,448 It's a validation. 802 00:35:11,490 --> 00:35:13,788 You know, I've always like, yeah, there's a lot of stars. 803 00:35:13,830 --> 00:35:14,688 And then you see something like this 804 00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:17,405 and go, well maybe we're not cuz that pushes you 805 00:35:17,447 --> 00:35:20,478 to the next point to go one lands in my front yard, 806 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,088 then I'll be 100% sure that we are not alone 807 00:35:23,130 --> 00:35:24,198 cuz it's sitting in my front yard. 808 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:26,480 But I got within a half mile of this thing, 809 00:35:26,522 --> 00:35:29,928 which is people go a half mile is pretty far away. 810 00:35:29,970 --> 00:35:31,128 Again, not when you're flying an airplane, 811 00:35:31,170 --> 00:35:32,538 half mile is like really tight. 812 00:35:32,580 --> 00:35:34,938 - When the tic-tac footage and the gimbal footage 813 00:35:34,980 --> 00:35:37,596 and the go fast footage were all released, 814 00:35:37,638 --> 00:35:38,508 they really changed the game for everybody. 815 00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:40,368 And listening to the narration of the pilots 816 00:35:40,410 --> 00:35:41,478 during the gimbal footage, 817 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,878 it's even more astonishing because you can hear 818 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,293 the sheer incredulity in their voices. 819 00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:49,465 - [Pilot] Look at that thing! 820 00:35:49,507 --> 00:35:50,392 It's rotating. 821 00:35:50,434 --> 00:35:52,800 - [Pilot 2] Oh my gosh, dude, wow. 822 00:35:52,842 --> 00:35:53,907 What is that, man? 823 00:35:53,949 --> 00:35:54,740 Look at it flying! 824 00:35:54,782 --> 00:35:55,788 - Some people have said that 825 00:35:55,830 --> 00:35:59,148 maybe these videotapes are hoaxes, they're doctored. 826 00:35:59,190 --> 00:36:01,428 They're not really real at all. 827 00:36:01,470 --> 00:36:04,338 Well, the military itself has finally owned up 828 00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:07,848 to the fact that no, these videotapes are real. 829 00:36:07,890 --> 00:36:10,128 There is something there 830 00:36:10,170 --> 00:36:12,498 that seems to be pushing the envelope 831 00:36:12,540 --> 00:36:15,948 with regards to the aerodynamics of these objects. 832 00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:17,199 - In my own mind at least, 833 00:36:17,241 --> 00:36:21,468 I'm pretty convinced that we had just intercepted a UFO 834 00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:23,208 and oh, by the way, I was pretty senior, 835 00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:24,108 I was getting ready to retire 836 00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:25,668 and it was my last intercept, 837 00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:27,618 my last real world intercept. 838 00:36:27,660 --> 00:36:30,324 What a hell of a way to end your career, right? 839 00:36:30,366 --> 00:36:31,257 (chuckles) 840 00:36:31,299 --> 00:36:33,738 Interceptive a (beep) UFO. 841 00:36:33,780 --> 00:36:34,968 Who does that? 842 00:36:35,010 --> 00:36:37,093 (laughs) 843 00:36:40,170 --> 00:36:42,648 - The article that I wrote with two colleagues 844 00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:44,448 on the front page of the New York Times 845 00:36:44,490 --> 00:36:48,768 in December of 2017 was a really big deal. 846 00:36:48,810 --> 00:36:50,658 It had a big impact. 847 00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:55,008 And that came about because I was called by some colleagues 848 00:36:55,050 --> 00:36:57,198 to meet with Lou Elizondo, 849 00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,078 who was the former head of a secret government program, 850 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,684 a Pentagon program studying UFOs, 851 00:37:02,726 --> 00:37:04,518 which nobody knew about. 852 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,268 And so when I met with him and was given, 853 00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:11,898 shown a lot of information, including some videos, 854 00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:13,578 took those to the New York Times 855 00:37:13,620 --> 00:37:15,498 with my colleague Ralph Blumenthal 856 00:37:15,540 --> 00:37:18,348 and that's how the story started. 857 00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:20,688 Since we exposed the fact that the Department of Defense 858 00:37:20,730 --> 00:37:23,418 had actually had their own program, were looking into this, 859 00:37:23,460 --> 00:37:25,968 and had been studying cases for 10 years, 860 00:37:26,010 --> 00:37:28,547 it makes it a lot harder for government officials 861 00:37:28,589 --> 00:37:32,448 to give really crazy explanations for cases 862 00:37:32,490 --> 00:37:34,818 like they used to do in the day of Project Blue Book. 863 00:37:34,860 --> 00:37:39,108 - Now we have the Navy proactively volunteering 864 00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:40,518 that not only is this video 865 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,308 and these two other videos, are they legitimate? 866 00:37:43,350 --> 00:37:45,528 But by the way, hey, we see hundreds 867 00:37:45,570 --> 00:37:47,132 of these things all the time 868 00:37:47,174 --> 00:37:49,788 and we need help reporting them. 869 00:37:49,830 --> 00:37:53,748 This is a sea change in the UFO phenomenon. 870 00:37:53,790 --> 00:37:55,188 - When I saw these video tapes, 871 00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:56,688 I realized that we were watching 872 00:37:56,730 --> 00:37:58,518 actually something historic. 873 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,468 It used to be that the burden of proof 874 00:38:00,510 --> 00:38:02,774 was on the flying saucer people. 875 00:38:02,816 --> 00:38:05,448 You saw something, prove it. 876 00:38:05,490 --> 00:38:07,128 Now it's shifted. 877 00:38:07,170 --> 00:38:10,188 Now the burden of proof is on the military 878 00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:12,288 to prove that these objects are 879 00:38:12,330 --> 00:38:14,448 not something bizarre and strange 880 00:38:14,490 --> 00:38:16,233 or perhaps from another planet. 881 00:38:40,980 --> 00:38:42,708 - I started my career in Los Angeles 882 00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:44,868 working on a movie called To the Moon and Beyond 883 00:38:44,910 --> 00:38:46,938 for the New York World's Fair, 884 00:38:46,980 --> 00:38:50,148 which opened in 1964 and '65. 885 00:38:50,190 --> 00:38:53,508 And that film was animated and visual effects. 886 00:38:53,550 --> 00:38:57,168 And this film was seen by Stanley Kubrick and Arthur Clark 887 00:38:57,210 --> 00:38:59,902 who were developing a movie project called 888 00:38:59,944 --> 00:39:02,388 Journey Beyond the Stars, 889 00:39:02,430 --> 00:39:06,018 which later became titled 2001 A Space Odyssey. 890 00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:07,608 And that led to me getting a job 891 00:39:07,650 --> 00:39:10,248 working on some preliminary design for the movie, 892 00:39:10,290 --> 00:39:13,818 and then actually working on the movie with Stanley Kubrick. 893 00:39:13,860 --> 00:39:16,338 Because I worked on 2001 A Space Odyssey, 894 00:39:16,380 --> 00:39:18,378 which was about alien contact 895 00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:20,688 that led later to working with Steven Spielberg 896 00:39:20,730 --> 00:39:21,678 to do the visual effects for 897 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:23,988 Close Encounters of the third Kind. 898 00:39:24,030 --> 00:39:26,025 And I didn't know when I was working on 899 00:39:26,067 --> 00:39:29,958 Close Encounters that J. Allen Hynek was who he was. 900 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,959 I didn't know that Steven Spielberg 901 00:39:32,001 --> 00:39:34,908 had read a lot of Jacques Vale's books, 902 00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:36,798 which led to his writing the screenplay 903 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,178 for Close Encounters. 904 00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:41,348 And so in retrospect, looking back now with what I do know, 905 00:39:41,390 --> 00:39:44,718 many of the events depicted in Close Encounters 906 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,248 might have actually occurred. 907 00:39:46,290 --> 00:39:48,408 And so I started thinking of Close Encounters 908 00:39:48,450 --> 00:39:50,313 as an expensive documentary film. 909 00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:53,898 When I moved here to the Berkshires 910 00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:55,673 and started rethinking my life, 911 00:39:55,715 --> 00:39:58,608 one of the projects that came to the forefront for me 912 00:39:58,650 --> 00:40:01,548 was really starting out as kind of an amateur astronomer 913 00:40:01,590 --> 00:40:02,853 and talking about would it be possible 914 00:40:02,895 --> 00:40:06,978 to professionally photograph and validate 915 00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:10,158 the existence of flying aerial phenomena. 916 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,138 And I started this little project 917 00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:14,596 to explore that possibility 918 00:40:14,638 --> 00:40:16,788 and I called it UFOTOG, 919 00:40:16,830 --> 00:40:18,858 which meant UFO photography. 920 00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:21,828 - So Doug reviewed the system with me. 921 00:40:21,870 --> 00:40:24,378 It was a Humvee that had a system inside of it 922 00:40:24,420 --> 00:40:26,208 with multiple telescopes, multiple instruments, 923 00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:29,358 that would raise up on a hydraulic lift out of the roof. 924 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,438 Very dramatic. 925 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,388 I looked at it and I said to him 926 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:33,648 what he was already thinking, 927 00:40:33,690 --> 00:40:35,628 it's a very expensive unit to have, 928 00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:36,888 it can't get every place. 929 00:40:36,930 --> 00:40:40,462 There's inaccessible areas that a large vehicle can't reach. 930 00:40:40,504 --> 00:40:42,930 And I said, why don't we make smaller platters 931 00:40:42,972 --> 00:40:44,550 and just distribute those. 932 00:40:44,592 --> 00:40:47,058 If you're looking up in the sky with these cameras, 933 00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:49,188 your first thought is, okay, was that an insect? 934 00:40:49,230 --> 00:40:50,031 Was that a bird? 935 00:40:50,073 --> 00:40:52,149 One way to narrow it down right away 936 00:40:52,191 --> 00:40:55,548 is to have more than one of these platters 937 00:40:55,590 --> 00:40:57,078 looking up into the sky. 938 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,848 And if you have one of these looking up in the sky 939 00:40:58,890 --> 00:41:00,648 over here, then you have one view. 940 00:41:00,690 --> 00:41:02,250 But if you have another one looking up in the sky 941 00:41:02,292 --> 00:41:03,738 half a mile away- 942 00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:04,571 - Right. 943 00:41:04,613 --> 00:41:05,598 - And it sees the same thing, 944 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,291 it's not a localized event, 945 00:41:07,333 --> 00:41:09,168 it's something farther away 946 00:41:09,210 --> 00:41:11,388 because both see it at the same time. 947 00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:12,558 And then we can triangulate, 948 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,603 we can get the speed, the course, the altitude. 949 00:41:14,645 --> 00:41:16,758 That's something that's very important. 950 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,528 And because each platter will have multiple sensors, 951 00:41:21,570 --> 00:41:23,025 we'll be able to see, for instance, 952 00:41:23,067 --> 00:41:25,188 if it emits some gamma rays, 953 00:41:25,230 --> 00:41:27,648 if the thing shows up only in the infrared 954 00:41:27,690 --> 00:41:29,208 or if it only shows up in the ultraviolet 955 00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:31,488 far off into the blue end of the spectrum 956 00:41:31,530 --> 00:41:33,258 that you can't see with your eyes. 957 00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:36,424 And depending on the method that they use for propulsion, 958 00:41:36,466 --> 00:41:39,738 they're gonna give off different types of radiation. 959 00:41:39,780 --> 00:41:41,718 - And extract an image that tells us 960 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,368 exactly what it's made out of, 961 00:41:43,410 --> 00:41:44,808 what materials it's made out of. 962 00:41:44,850 --> 00:41:46,578 They can see every rivet, they can say, 963 00:41:46,620 --> 00:41:49,608 well, part of it's Teflon, part of it's carbon fiber, 964 00:41:49,650 --> 00:41:51,528 part of it's aluminum, part of it's Mylar. 965 00:41:51,570 --> 00:41:52,585 - Yeah. 966 00:41:52,627 --> 00:41:54,138 - They can actually give you a complete inventory 967 00:41:54,180 --> 00:41:54,971 of what it's made out of. 968 00:41:55,013 --> 00:41:57,438 So I thought well, maybe we're gonna see something 969 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,788 that we've never seen before. 970 00:41:58,830 --> 00:42:02,118 Maybe it's unanalyzable and maybe it's something else. 971 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:02,951 - That's right. 972 00:42:02,993 --> 00:42:03,858 - That's what we're gonna find out. 973 00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:06,798 - That's right and that's the golden nugget that UFOTOGs 974 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,368 as in the aerial anomaly detection system is all about. 975 00:42:10,410 --> 00:42:12,888 And we're gonna make that data available to everybody. 976 00:42:12,930 --> 00:42:14,778 This is stuff that belongs to humanity. 977 00:42:14,820 --> 00:42:16,158 We've said this over and over again. 978 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,685 This data belongs to humanity 979 00:42:17,727 --> 00:42:19,293 and it goes to humanity. 980 00:42:23,610 --> 00:42:26,407 - What am I as a physicist supposed to do 981 00:42:26,449 --> 00:42:30,768 when someone says they saw something in the night sky? 982 00:42:30,810 --> 00:42:32,268 Maybe they did, 983 00:42:32,310 --> 00:42:34,068 maybe they didn't. 984 00:42:34,110 --> 00:42:36,378 In other words, we need something tangible, 985 00:42:36,420 --> 00:42:37,878 we need a takeaway, 986 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,618 we need something that we can say, 987 00:42:39,660 --> 00:42:43,353 aha, here is the smoking gun. 988 00:42:47,819 --> 00:42:49,458 - To have a real smoking gun where we like 989 00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:52,488 maybe even know what the phenomenon is, 990 00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:55,068 it would have to be something like we've never seen before, 991 00:42:55,110 --> 00:42:57,138 something retrieved by our government 992 00:42:57,180 --> 00:43:00,408 or even is stashed away in a private company 993 00:43:00,450 --> 00:43:03,468 or crash craft or part of a craft 994 00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:07,308 or it could be something the phenomenon does by itself. 995 00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:08,624 And I think either one of those things 996 00:43:08,666 --> 00:43:11,358 would obviously change everything 997 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,348 and would probably allow a determination to be made 998 00:43:15,390 --> 00:43:17,163 as to what they actually are. 999 00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:20,358 (tape rewind) 1000 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,633 Part of a craft. 1001 00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:29,630 - I know that it is supposedly from a crash site 1002 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,673 in New Mexico from the St. Augustine Plains. 1003 00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:35,328 It happened in 1947, 1004 00:43:35,370 --> 00:43:39,738 within weeks of the supposed Roswell crash. 1005 00:43:39,780 --> 00:43:40,848 - My team was lucky. 1006 00:43:40,890 --> 00:43:44,778 Over the recent four weeks we were able to 1007 00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:47,553 acquire materials that I deem exotic. 1008 00:43:54,775 --> 00:43:57,192 (door slams) 1009 00:44:08,850 --> 00:44:12,648 So, so yeah, you have three completely different alloys. 1010 00:44:12,690 --> 00:44:14,238 At least one of these samples 1011 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,248 shows an extremely high probability 1012 00:44:16,290 --> 00:44:19,068 of having carbon nano tubes inside of them. 1013 00:44:19,110 --> 00:44:21,173 And none of the isotopic ratios 1014 00:44:21,215 --> 00:44:24,108 belong to any element on earth. 1015 00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:26,928 Based on the first lab that looked at this, 1016 00:44:26,970 --> 00:44:29,688 we can say objectively with scientific certainty 1017 00:44:29,730 --> 00:44:32,793 that this wasn't created in our solar system. 1018 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,278 We are literally villagers right now 1019 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,343 trying to pick apart an iPhone in the 16th century. 1020 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,298 So we know there's more stuff 1021 00:44:44,340 --> 00:44:45,948 going down at the lower levels. 1022 00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:49,128 Isotopic ratios, we aren't able to see it yet, 1023 00:44:49,170 --> 00:44:50,808 which is what we're hoping to change 1024 00:44:50,850 --> 00:44:52,518 with the help of Caltech. 1025 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,338 And again, if we prove that the isotopes, 1026 00:44:55,380 --> 00:44:57,288 we verify those isotopes, 1027 00:44:57,330 --> 00:45:00,168 this will immediately become an international treasure, 1028 00:45:00,210 --> 00:45:01,833 a cultural artifact. 1029 00:45:13,051 --> 00:45:15,634 (upbeat music) 1030 00:45:39,377 --> 00:45:44,377 ♪ I play my music when the day gets dark ♪ 1031 00:45:48,816 --> 00:45:53,816 ♪ Drifting thru heaven's gate to outer space ♪ 1032 00:46:01,689 --> 00:46:06,689 ♪ Blistered by the bright blue sunshine ♪ 1033 00:46:10,696 --> 00:46:15,613 ♪ The most beautiful faces we hide inside ♪