WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:01.236 --> 00:00:02.671 (suspenseful music) 2 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:02.713 --> 00:00:05.463 (static sizzles) 4 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:25.380 --> 00:00:26.171 - [Driver] Kevin? 6 00:00:26.213 --> 00:00:27.004 - Yes, hello. 7 00:00:27.046 --> 00:00:27.837 - [Driver] Hi, come on in. 8 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:30.303 - Alright, here's the package. 9 00:00:32.790 --> 00:00:36.588 - [Driver] So what do you know about the history of this? 10 00:00:36.630 --> 00:00:41.630 - I know that it is supposedly from a crash site 11 00:00:41.760 --> 00:00:44.673 in New Mexico from the St. Augustine Plains. 12 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:50.840 Happened in 1947 within weeks of the supposed Roswell crash. 13 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:54.318 If this is just debris from an airplane crash, 14 00:00:54.360 --> 00:00:57.138 then it's not that valuable or not that interesting, 15 00:00:57.180 --> 00:01:00.618 but if it turns out that it's a debris from a crashed UFO 16 00:01:00.660 --> 00:01:02.208 or a crashed alien spacecraft, 17 00:01:02.250 --> 00:01:03.513 or whatever it might be, 18 00:01:04.410 --> 00:01:05.298 then it's invaluable. 19 00:01:05.340 --> 00:01:07.068 So it's priceless. 20 00:01:07.110 --> 00:01:10.278 So we have these weird hand-offs, 21 00:01:10.320 --> 00:01:12.768 these cloak and dagger style hand-offs, 22 00:01:12.810 --> 00:01:14.396 which admittedly are fun 23 00:01:14.438 --> 00:01:17.770 and relatively amusing 24 00:01:20.940 --> 00:01:22.878 and a bit worrisome because you, 25 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:25.518 I don't know that other people aren't tracking this, 26 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:27.198 that other people wouldn't like to have it, 27 00:01:27.240 --> 00:01:28.968 that somebody might try to get it from you. 28 00:01:29.010 --> 00:01:31.983 And, you know, we don't know that that's not the case. 29 00:01:33.675 --> 00:01:35.208 I'm a physics professor, 30 00:01:35.250 --> 00:01:37.518 we don't operate this way 31 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:41.568 and I don't know how, you know, 32 00:01:41.610 --> 00:01:43.608 whether there are other groups or other countries 33 00:01:43.650 --> 00:01:46.098 that would like to get their hands on this that you know, 34 00:01:46.140 --> 00:01:48.948 might go through some, you know, 35 00:01:48.990 --> 00:01:50.758 movie style lengths to do it. 36 00:01:50.800 --> 00:01:53.800 (truck horn blares) 37 00:01:55.584 --> 00:01:58.084 (eerie music) 38 00:02:07.241 --> 00:02:09.824 (upbeat music) 39 00:02:25.174 --> 00:02:30.174 ♪ I play music when the day gets dark ♪ 40 00:02:34.317 --> 00:02:39.317 ♪ Drifting through heaven's gate into outer space ♪ 41 00:02:47.455 --> 00:02:52.455 ♪ Blistered by the bright blue sunshine ♪ 42 00:02:56.603 --> 00:03:01.436 ♪ The most beautiful faces we hide inside ♪ 43 00:03:41.190 --> 00:03:43.308 - [Narrator] Most science documentaries look at 44 00:03:43.350 --> 00:03:45.888 an encounter with extraterrestrial civilization 45 00:03:45.930 --> 00:03:48.048 from our point of view, 46 00:03:48.090 --> 00:03:50.718 but let's turn it upside down. 47 00:03:50.760 --> 00:03:53.028 What would it be like if you were part 48 00:03:53.070 --> 00:03:55.218 of an advanced civilization meeting 49 00:03:55.260 --> 00:03:57.123 earthlings for the first time? 50 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.818 - Well, place myself in the persona 51 00:04:01.860 --> 00:04:04.008 of an alien being and saying, 52 00:04:04.050 --> 00:04:05.508 here we are, we come in peace. 53 00:04:05.550 --> 00:04:08.688 You know, that's certainly something I would hope. 54 00:04:08.730 --> 00:04:11.388 - If aliens are intelligent, they're also curious, 55 00:04:11.430 --> 00:04:14.538 and that curiosity is going to force them to go out 56 00:04:14.580 --> 00:04:17.268 and examine everything they have access to, 57 00:04:17.310 --> 00:04:19.908 which could include us. 58 00:04:19.950 --> 00:04:21.213 - If I'm a being, 59 00:04:22.320 --> 00:04:27.320 I'm choosing people who can convey my message in a way that 60 00:04:29.190 --> 00:04:30.978 would leave very little doubt. 61 00:04:31.020 --> 00:04:33.828 - Why would they need to have such extensive 62 00:04:33.870 --> 00:04:35.538 direct interactions with us 63 00:04:35.580 --> 00:04:38.148 when everything that they could possibly need from us, 64 00:04:38.190 --> 00:04:39.588 they could take without really having 65 00:04:39.630 --> 00:04:41.898 to expose themselves at all, 66 00:04:41.940 --> 00:04:42.828 we wouldn't really even need 67 00:04:42.870 --> 00:04:43.938 to know about their existence. 68 00:04:43.980 --> 00:04:46.368 The fact that we do would indicate that they are 69 00:04:46.410 --> 00:04:49.473 whatever they are wanting us to think in a particular way, 70 00:04:50.310 --> 00:04:52.610 probably more about ourselves than about them. 71 00:05:00.241 --> 00:05:02.824 (rocket blast) 72 00:05:18.060 --> 00:05:19.728 - My name is Elisa Quintana. 73 00:05:19.770 --> 00:05:22.158 I'm a astrophysicist at NASA Goddard 74 00:05:22.200 --> 00:05:24.258 and I'm the deputy project scientist 75 00:05:24.300 --> 00:05:25.638 for NASA's test mission. 76 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:28.456 This is the Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite. 77 00:05:28.498 --> 00:05:31.038 This is a space mission looking for planets 78 00:05:31.080 --> 00:05:32.538 outside of our solar system, 79 00:05:32.580 --> 00:05:34.578 including those that are small like earth. 80 00:05:34.620 --> 00:05:36.258 Ultimately we're looking for planets 81 00:05:36.300 --> 00:05:38.148 that are in a Goldilock zone, 82 00:05:38.190 --> 00:05:41.140 so they're not too close to their star where it's very hot, 83 00:05:42.310 --> 00:05:43.968 they're also not too far away where it's very cold. 84 00:05:44.010 --> 00:05:45.678 They're in a temperate region 85 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:47.538 just like earth is around the sun. 86 00:05:47.580 --> 00:05:49.548 They're in a region that would allow the good water 87 00:05:49.590 --> 00:05:50.808 on a planet surface. 88 00:05:50.850 --> 00:05:53.028 Using this transit method we can determine 89 00:05:53.070 --> 00:05:55.068 the size of a planet, it's orbit 90 00:05:55.110 --> 00:05:57.858 and we can ultimately determine which planets 91 00:05:57.900 --> 00:06:01.098 are in the habitable zones of these stars. 92 00:06:01.140 --> 00:06:04.548 So in the early days of searching for other planets, 93 00:06:04.590 --> 00:06:06.888 we were really focusing on sun-like stars. 94 00:06:06.930 --> 00:06:10.008 What we now know is that the most common type of star 95 00:06:10.050 --> 00:06:12.468 that has planets are these M-dwarfs. 96 00:06:12.510 --> 00:06:14.678 So these are stars that are smaller, cooler 97 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:16.848 and redder than the sun 98 00:06:16.890 --> 00:06:18.768 and they emit different light. 99 00:06:18.810 --> 00:06:21.018 So they emit light in the infrared. 100 00:06:21.060 --> 00:06:23.148 They're very, very different from the sun. 101 00:06:23.190 --> 00:06:25.758 Planets that evolve in the habitable zones of these stars 102 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:28.188 will have a very different environment. 103 00:06:28.230 --> 00:06:29.988 I often wonder what kind of life 104 00:06:30.030 --> 00:06:32.793 would evolve under infrared light. 105 00:06:33.638 --> 00:06:34.429 What is photosynthesis like? 106 00:06:34.471 --> 00:06:37.188 We have these green plants that evolve under the sun. 107 00:06:37.230 --> 00:06:39.078 Will we have black trees 108 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:40.728 or will we have some new form of life 109 00:06:40.770 --> 00:06:42.048 that we can't even imagine 110 00:06:42.090 --> 00:06:43.938 that are forming on these stars 111 00:06:43.980 --> 00:06:46.008 that are the most abundant in the sky. 112 00:06:46.050 --> 00:06:51.050 A huge goal of NASA is to find another earth like planet 113 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:52.218 that could have life, 114 00:06:52.260 --> 00:06:53.880 even intelligent life. 115 00:06:59.817 --> 00:07:02.817 (suspenseful music) 116 00:07:05.580 --> 00:07:08.663 - (foreign language) 117 00:08:14.443 --> 00:08:16.518 - I think it would be fascinating if 118 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:17.661 we were to find intelligent life 119 00:08:17.703 --> 00:08:19.848 that was very different from ours. 120 00:08:19.890 --> 00:08:21.558 Life where we could learn 121 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:23.808 and really advance ourselves. 122 00:08:23.850 --> 00:08:25.908 - [Interviewer] So what is the ultimate goal here? 123 00:08:25.950 --> 00:08:28.698 Once the generational program down the road finds 124 00:08:28.740 --> 00:08:30.528 that there not only is life there, 125 00:08:30.570 --> 00:08:32.388 but there's a civilization there, 126 00:08:32.430 --> 00:08:33.714 what happens next? 127 00:08:33.756 --> 00:08:34.547 (laughs) 128 00:08:34.589 --> 00:08:35.710 - That's a really good question. 129 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:40.608 Everyone is so focused on building the next flagship 130 00:08:40.650 --> 00:08:42.768 that's gonna image the earth, and then what? 131 00:08:42.810 --> 00:08:43.949 Like, I guess- 132 00:08:43.991 --> 00:08:46.578 (laughs) 133 00:08:46.620 --> 00:08:49.248 So if we find life on another planet, 134 00:08:49.290 --> 00:08:51.918 what are the next steps that NASA's gonna do? 135 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:54.408 What are the next steps that the community is gonna do? 136 00:08:54.450 --> 00:08:59.028 Should we contact and communicate with these other planets? 137 00:08:59.070 --> 00:09:01.878 And that is a whole new discussion area 138 00:09:01.920 --> 00:09:05.148 that people are actually talking about. 139 00:09:05.190 --> 00:09:07.188 And I don't know what the next steps would be. 140 00:09:07.230 --> 00:09:09.648 The SETI Institute does have a procedure 141 00:09:09.690 --> 00:09:11.718 for if they were to find life, 142 00:09:11.760 --> 00:09:13.398 they actually have, you know, a manual. 143 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.360 There's a proper procedure of writing a publication 144 00:09:16.402 --> 00:09:18.243 and what should we do next. 145 00:09:20.880 --> 00:09:22.548 - Because I'm involved in the search 146 00:09:22.590 --> 00:09:24.618 for extraterrestrial intelligence, 147 00:09:24.660 --> 00:09:25.728 people will ask, 148 00:09:25.770 --> 00:09:27.408 do you really think there are aliens out there? 149 00:09:27.450 --> 00:09:29.328 I mean, do you think there's any life out there? 150 00:09:29.370 --> 00:09:30.918 And of course I do. 151 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:32.538 I mean that's why I took the job really. 152 00:09:32.580 --> 00:09:33.468 And why do I think that? 153 00:09:33.510 --> 00:09:34.608 It's not pretty because we found it, 154 00:09:34.650 --> 00:09:36.252 cuz we haven't, 155 00:09:36.294 --> 00:09:38.508 but what we now know and something that we didn't know 156 00:09:38.550 --> 00:09:42.468 even 25 years ago is that the universe is just shock, 157 00:09:42.510 --> 00:09:44.148 a block with planets. 158 00:09:44.190 --> 00:09:45.978 They're roughly a trillion planets 159 00:09:46.020 --> 00:09:47.478 just in the Milky Way galaxy 160 00:09:47.520 --> 00:09:49.578 and we can see trillions of other galaxies, 161 00:09:49.620 --> 00:09:51.978 so that's a lot of planet pleasure, right? 162 00:09:52.020 --> 00:09:54.948 There are so many worlds out there that to think that, 163 00:09:54.990 --> 00:09:58.698 well no, only earth has produced life or intelligent life, 164 00:09:58.740 --> 00:10:02.148 that sounds like a lot of hubris to me. 165 00:10:02.190 --> 00:10:05.568 Turns out that the techniques used for studying galaxies, 166 00:10:05.610 --> 00:10:06.798 which is what I used to do. 167 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:09.048 SETI uses many of the same techniques 168 00:10:09.090 --> 00:10:11.028 that I was using to study galaxies. 169 00:10:11.070 --> 00:10:12.888 In other words, you know, big antennas, 170 00:10:12.930 --> 00:10:14.122 call 'em radio telescopes 171 00:10:14.164 --> 00:10:15.978 and just point them in the direction 172 00:10:16.020 --> 00:10:17.118 of some nearby stars 173 00:10:17.160 --> 00:10:18.708 hoping that there's somebody on a planet 174 00:10:18.750 --> 00:10:21.288 around those stars who's broadcasting a signal 175 00:10:21.330 --> 00:10:22.938 that we could pick up and prove 176 00:10:22.980 --> 00:10:25.158 that we have some company there. 177 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:26.448 So what if we get a signal? 178 00:10:26.490 --> 00:10:29.508 I mean, we might get a signal from deep space tomorrow, 179 00:10:29.550 --> 00:10:30.708 next week, next year, 180 00:10:30.750 --> 00:10:32.628 10 years from now, we don't know, 181 00:10:32.670 --> 00:10:33.663 but what happens? 182 00:10:34.540 --> 00:10:35.331 I can tell you what's really gonna happen 183 00:10:35.373 --> 00:10:36.438 because we've had false alarms, 184 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:37.278 and in a false alarm, 185 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:38.688 you see what actually happens. 186 00:10:38.730 --> 00:10:40.428 The media start calling up 187 00:10:40.470 --> 00:10:42.288 because there's no policy of secrecy. 188 00:10:42.330 --> 00:10:44.808 Everybody's sending emails or text messages 189 00:10:44.850 --> 00:10:46.998 or calling their mom or whatever they're doing. 190 00:10:47.040 --> 00:10:49.488 So the news that we picked up a signal gets out 191 00:10:49.530 --> 00:10:51.288 within minutes and the experience 192 00:10:51.330 --> 00:10:53.028 that we've had is when that happens, 193 00:10:53.070 --> 00:10:56.448 even before we've checked out whether it's for real or not, 194 00:10:56.490 --> 00:10:58.848 the local TV stations, the newspapers 195 00:10:58.890 --> 00:11:00.708 and the media start calling. 196 00:11:00.750 --> 00:11:02.988 - Scientists have a mystery on their hands. 197 00:11:03.030 --> 00:11:05.358 Signals from outer space are being detected. 198 00:11:05.400 --> 00:11:08.208 What's most exciting about this signal from outer space 199 00:11:08.250 --> 00:11:11.538 is that it repeats itself every 16 days. 200 00:11:11.580 --> 00:11:12.588 - If the signal's strong enough 201 00:11:12.630 --> 00:11:14.118 some believe to raise the possibility 202 00:11:14.160 --> 00:11:16.578 that it was sent intentionally by aliens. 203 00:11:16.620 --> 00:11:19.923 - One radio versus wavelength light was converted to sound. 204 00:11:23.490 --> 00:11:24.708 - So if I were an alien, 205 00:11:24.750 --> 00:11:26.838 how would I find intelligent life on earth? 206 00:11:26.880 --> 00:11:27.671 Or for that matter, 207 00:11:27.713 --> 00:11:28.668 any life on earth? 208 00:11:28.710 --> 00:11:31.218 Now finding life is kind of a simpler problem 209 00:11:31.260 --> 00:11:33.768 for the aliens than finding intelligent life 210 00:11:33.810 --> 00:11:37.014 because all they have to do is build a big telescope 211 00:11:37.056 --> 00:11:40.848 and analyze the atmosphere of our planet of Earth. 212 00:11:40.890 --> 00:11:44.688 And they would find 20% of that atmosphere is oxygen. 213 00:11:44.730 --> 00:11:46.548 And normally that's not a component 214 00:11:46.590 --> 00:11:49.668 of the gases in the atmosphere of planets, 215 00:11:49.710 --> 00:11:51.108 but it is of ours. 216 00:11:51.150 --> 00:11:53.748 So if the aliens can find oxygen in our atmosphere, 217 00:11:53.790 --> 00:11:55.218 that would be a strong clue that there's 218 00:11:55.260 --> 00:11:58.548 some sort of biology here, at least photosynthesis. 219 00:11:58.590 --> 00:12:01.548 That wouldn't tell 'em that homo sapiens is here of course, 220 00:12:01.590 --> 00:12:04.383 but what would is if they can build big antennas 221 00:12:04.425 --> 00:12:09.198 and pick up our television or our radars or our FM radio 222 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:10.968 because if there's been enough time 223 00:12:11.010 --> 00:12:12.438 for those signals to get out to them, 224 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:13.271 they'll pick that up and they say, 225 00:12:13.313 --> 00:12:14.868 well, we don't know what's down there, 226 00:12:14.910 --> 00:12:16.908 but whatever it is it's pretty clever 227 00:12:16.950 --> 00:12:19.203 because they can engineer a transmitter. 228 00:12:35.730 --> 00:12:38.722 - For a long time I banged my head against the wall 229 00:12:38.764 --> 00:12:41.478 looking for a theory of consciousness 230 00:12:41.520 --> 00:12:44.319 in purely physical terms that would work. 231 00:12:44.361 --> 00:12:46.428 I'm David Chalmers, 232 00:12:46.470 --> 00:12:49.608 I'm a professor of philosophy at New York University 233 00:12:49.650 --> 00:12:51.918 where I'm also co-director of 234 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:54.603 the Center for Mind, Brain and Consciousness. 235 00:12:55.530 --> 00:12:58.758 I'm a philosopher, so I think about foundational ideas 236 00:12:58.800 --> 00:13:01.398 about the mind, about the world, 237 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:04.338 about knowledge, about reality. 238 00:13:04.380 --> 00:13:06.258 How is the human mind even possible? 239 00:13:06.300 --> 00:13:07.938 I think about artificial minds. 240 00:13:07.980 --> 00:13:09.978 Could a computer have a mind? 241 00:13:10.020 --> 00:13:13.908 Are there non-human minds in animals or even alien minds? 242 00:13:13.950 --> 00:13:15.708 I think about the nature of reality. 243 00:13:15.750 --> 00:13:18.258 Is the world around us real? 244 00:13:18.300 --> 00:13:21.408 How can we ever have genuine knowledge of reality? 245 00:13:21.450 --> 00:13:24.513 Or is all this somehow an illusion or a simulation? 246 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:31.308 - The Simulation Hypothesis is simply the hypothesis 247 00:13:31.350 --> 00:13:34.398 that we live in a computer simulation. 248 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:36.048 To be understood in a literal sense, 249 00:13:36.090 --> 00:13:37.458 not just as a metaphor, 250 00:13:37.500 --> 00:13:40.278 we can think of atoms as bits can. 251 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:43.428 No, that there is some advanced civilization 252 00:13:43.470 --> 00:13:46.089 that constructed a physical computer 253 00:13:46.131 --> 00:13:49.428 and then run some kind of program on that computer 254 00:13:49.470 --> 00:13:52.938 and we are one of the information patterns within that. 255 00:13:52.980 --> 00:13:55.758 - The venerable philosopher Renee Decartes said, 256 00:13:55.800 --> 00:13:58.758 how do you know that you're not being fooled 257 00:13:58.800 --> 00:14:02.358 by an evil genius who is stimulating your sensory systems 258 00:14:02.400 --> 00:14:04.724 to produce the sense of a world around you 259 00:14:04.766 --> 00:14:06.918 when none of this is real? 260 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:09.588 Well, the contemporary version of that question is just 261 00:14:09.630 --> 00:14:12.228 how do you know you're not in a computer simulation 262 00:14:12.270 --> 00:14:16.188 right now where all this would seem real, but it isn't. 263 00:14:16.230 --> 00:14:19.098 - Yeah, the Simulation Hypothesis does does not mean 264 00:14:19.140 --> 00:14:23.268 to presuppose that the civilization doing the simulating, 265 00:14:23.310 --> 00:14:27.078 it would necessarily be our descendant. 266 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:28.308 Like they wouldn't have to be on earth. 267 00:14:28.350 --> 00:14:30.678 You could imagine extraterrestrial civilizations 268 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:32.688 creating all kinds of simulations 269 00:14:32.730 --> 00:14:36.724 of other extraterrestrial civilizations of their origins 270 00:14:36.766 --> 00:14:39.498 or maybe just fantasy simulations. 271 00:14:39.540 --> 00:14:41.058 - For me, I got into this in part 272 00:14:41.100 --> 00:14:42.438 because 20 odd years ago, 273 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:44.355 just after The Matrix movie came out, 274 00:14:44.397 --> 00:14:46.578 the Wachowskis, director of The Matrix, 275 00:14:46.620 --> 00:14:49.248 Lorenzo philosophy, and they actually signed up 276 00:14:49.290 --> 00:14:51.648 a bunch of philosophers to write philosophically 277 00:14:51.690 --> 00:14:52.758 about the movie. 278 00:14:52.800 --> 00:14:53.958 So I ended up writing an article 279 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.538 called The Matrix as Metaphysics. 280 00:14:56.580 --> 00:14:58.275 And the central idea was even if we are 281 00:14:58.317 --> 00:15:02.073 living in the matrix, all this is still perfectly real. 282 00:15:03.562 --> 00:15:06.708 - So it would be unlike The Matrix in the sense that 283 00:15:06.750 --> 00:15:11.478 the brain itself would be part of the simulation as well. 284 00:15:11.520 --> 00:15:13.608 That would be the most cost efficient way 285 00:15:13.650 --> 00:15:15.078 of producing human experience. 286 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:16.938 Not to have these biological, 287 00:15:16.980 --> 00:15:19.608 organic brains floating in nutrient tanks 288 00:15:19.650 --> 00:15:21.918 and then connecting them via some cable 289 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:25.218 to a virtual reality, but just simulate the whole thing. 290 00:15:25.260 --> 00:15:26.877 You could run many more simulations 291 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:29.778 for the same amount of dollars as technological maturity 292 00:15:29.820 --> 00:15:32.808 if you did it all in silicon than if you had this 293 00:15:32.850 --> 00:15:34.488 wetware component in there as well. 294 00:15:34.530 --> 00:15:36.318 - The traditional idea has been 295 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:37.884 that if we're in a simulation, 296 00:15:37.926 --> 00:15:39.918 none of this is real. 297 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:41.478 I think I have hands, 298 00:15:41.520 --> 00:15:43.278 I think there's a table here, 299 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:45.367 I think there's a sculpture here. 300 00:15:45.409 --> 00:15:48.918 Many people would say that if this is a simulation, 301 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:51.003 none of that is genuinely real. 302 00:15:58.770 --> 00:16:01.158 What I wanna say is even if we're in a simulation, 303 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:02.178 all this is real. 304 00:16:02.220 --> 00:16:04.384 I still have hands, there's still a table here, 305 00:16:04.426 --> 00:16:06.708 there's still a sculpture here. 306 00:16:06.750 --> 00:16:08.598 It's just that all these things are made 307 00:16:08.640 --> 00:16:11.358 at a more fundamental level, out of bits, 308 00:16:11.400 --> 00:16:13.788 out of processes inside a computer, 309 00:16:13.830 --> 00:16:16.968 but digital processes are real processes too. 310 00:16:17.010 --> 00:16:20.628 So I wanna say simulation is reality. 311 00:16:20.670 --> 00:16:23.628 - We don't know that much about the motivations 312 00:16:23.670 --> 00:16:26.628 or the psychology of these possible simulators, 313 00:16:26.670 --> 00:16:28.638 but we can reflect that if there are many 314 00:16:28.680 --> 00:16:31.188 of these civilizations out in the cosmos 315 00:16:31.230 --> 00:16:33.288 with the capability of running simulations, 316 00:16:33.330 --> 00:16:35.538 it would suffice if only a few of them 317 00:16:35.580 --> 00:16:37.458 were still interested in doing this 318 00:16:37.500 --> 00:16:40.473 with even just a small fraction of their resources. 319 00:16:41.490 --> 00:16:45.018 - As soon as you start thinking about the simulation idea, 320 00:16:45.060 --> 00:16:45.978 the question comes up, 321 00:16:46.020 --> 00:16:48.768 who created the simulation? 322 00:16:48.810 --> 00:16:49.818 Is it a god? 323 00:16:49.860 --> 00:16:53.448 I mean this simulator is a created reality. 324 00:16:53.490 --> 00:16:57.108 They're all powerful, all knowing maybe, about this reality 325 00:16:57.150 --> 00:16:59.058 that makes them kind of God-like. 326 00:16:59.100 --> 00:17:00.288 At the same time, 327 00:17:00.330 --> 00:17:02.658 the simulator didn't be much like a God at all. 328 00:17:02.700 --> 00:17:05.838 It might just be a teenage hacker in the next universe up 329 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:08.358 or 26 dimensional octopus 330 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:10.668 but from an entirely different reality. 331 00:17:10.710 --> 00:17:13.360 No reason at all to think they're particularly godly. 332 00:17:15.010 --> 00:17:17.927 (sound of ticking) 333 00:17:22.800 --> 00:17:24.108 - I am Dr. Michael Masters. 334 00:17:24.150 --> 00:17:26.973 I'm a professor of biological anthropology. 335 00:17:28.534 --> 00:17:31.098 I should probably list where I do that, huh? 336 00:17:31.140 --> 00:17:32.595 Yeah. 337 00:17:32.637 --> 00:17:33.888 (Michael chuckles) 338 00:17:33.930 --> 00:17:37.113 And author of the book Identified Flying Objects. 339 00:17:38.730 --> 00:17:40.008 Leading up to now, 340 00:17:40.050 --> 00:17:42.798 we've seen a lot of different theories proposed. 341 00:17:42.840 --> 00:17:44.538 It's important to consider all of these 342 00:17:44.580 --> 00:17:47.388 and it's great to see that evolution of this field 343 00:17:47.430 --> 00:17:50.538 where it's not just blind acceptance of one idea, 344 00:17:50.580 --> 00:17:51.738 but we're asking questions 345 00:17:51.780 --> 00:17:53.478 and we're really trying to dig deep 346 00:17:53.520 --> 00:17:56.598 into the subject matter and to figure out the origins 347 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:58.878 of these individuals and their craft. 348 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:00.918 Obviously the dominant model for a long time 349 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:03.138 has been the extraterrestrial hypothesis 350 00:18:03.180 --> 00:18:06.108 that they come from a different planet somewhere else 351 00:18:06.150 --> 00:18:07.938 around a different solar system, 352 00:18:07.980 --> 00:18:09.618 likely within our galaxy. 353 00:18:09.660 --> 00:18:11.628 We would see them coming down from the sky. 354 00:18:11.670 --> 00:18:13.578 Our first gut response would be, 355 00:18:13.620 --> 00:18:15.138 they must come from those stars, 356 00:18:15.180 --> 00:18:17.688 but if we look at all of their characteristics, 357 00:18:17.730 --> 00:18:20.898 the craft themselves appear to have many qualities 358 00:18:20.940 --> 00:18:22.771 that would indicate that they have the capability 359 00:18:22.813 --> 00:18:24.798 of bending back time. 360 00:18:24.840 --> 00:18:26.624 Perhaps it's time to consider other possibilities 361 00:18:26.666 --> 00:18:30.573 and that they are in fact from time rather than space. 362 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:34.038 - In quantum mechanics and in general relativity, 363 00:18:34.080 --> 00:18:35.928 there were phenomena that we couldn't 364 00:18:35.970 --> 00:18:38.268 fully understand and characterize. 365 00:18:38.310 --> 00:18:40.158 Now we have the math to describe it. 366 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:43.068 Now we have the physics and it's no longer scary 367 00:18:43.110 --> 00:18:45.678 to conceptualize time dilation 368 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:47.178 or the double slit experiment. 369 00:18:47.220 --> 00:18:50.268 We have math that can predict essentially 370 00:18:50.310 --> 00:18:53.598 what the distribution of say a particle will be like. 371 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:55.998 - Many reports of these fast moving objects 372 00:18:56.040 --> 00:18:57.888 is that they sort of almost pulsate 373 00:18:57.930 --> 00:19:01.488 or there's a fluctuation to them as they move, 374 00:19:01.530 --> 00:19:04.017 possibly skipping through parts of time 375 00:19:04.059 --> 00:19:05.778 as they move through space. 376 00:19:05.820 --> 00:19:07.278 And looking at the craft themselves 377 00:19:07.320 --> 00:19:09.001 and especially the inertial forces, 378 00:19:09.043 --> 00:19:11.238 if they're, as we see them, 379 00:19:11.280 --> 00:19:13.698 rapidly shooting across the sky, 380 00:19:13.740 --> 00:19:16.818 any sort of inertial movement like that 381 00:19:16.860 --> 00:19:19.368 is going to splatter any biological creature 382 00:19:19.410 --> 00:19:20.988 against that craft. 383 00:19:21.030 --> 00:19:24.018 - The one hint that I believe helps us 384 00:19:24.060 --> 00:19:25.595 in trying to figure out this mystery 385 00:19:25.637 --> 00:19:28.938 is that I believe at least no biological entity 386 00:19:28.980 --> 00:19:31.518 would be able to cross such vast distances. 387 00:19:31.560 --> 00:19:34.428 They would at the very least require tons of food. 388 00:19:34.470 --> 00:19:36.138 They would require bathrooms. 389 00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:38.688 They would have to require a gravity environment 390 00:19:38.730 --> 00:19:40.848 that's the same as their home world. 391 00:19:40.890 --> 00:19:42.678 There would be so many nuances. 392 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:45.708 There would be long distance times of hundreds of years, 393 00:19:45.750 --> 00:19:47.868 maybe even thousands or tens of thousands. 394 00:19:47.910 --> 00:19:50.058 - The only possible way they might be able to do this 395 00:19:50.100 --> 00:19:53.808 to survive those forces is by controlling the passage 396 00:19:53.850 --> 00:19:57.648 of time in their relative reference frame inside that craft. 397 00:19:57.690 --> 00:19:59.958 Whereas we see a rapid acceleration, 398 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:02.538 it may be a very slow acceleration to them. 399 00:20:02.580 --> 00:20:04.818 A great analogy is looking at 400 00:20:04.860 --> 00:20:07.878 how different organisms perceive time. 401 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:09.798 So when we try to swat a fly, 402 00:20:09.840 --> 00:20:12.438 we see it as this fly swatter coming down 403 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:13.848 at a very high rate of speed. 404 00:20:13.890 --> 00:20:14.838 Whereas that fly, 405 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:16.149 because it perceives time 406 00:20:16.191 --> 00:20:18.918 with different frames per unit time, 407 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:22.188 may see that fly swatter coming down very slowly 408 00:20:22.230 --> 00:20:24.198 and it says, I've gotta get out of the way of this 409 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:25.878 and it moves out of the way 410 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:27.408 and we feel like we just missed it 411 00:20:27.450 --> 00:20:29.808 and it felt like it had all day to escape. 412 00:20:29.850 --> 00:20:32.238 So the same thing applies when you talk about 413 00:20:32.280 --> 00:20:33.648 the relativity of time outside of 414 00:20:33.690 --> 00:20:35.568 biological organisms as well. 415 00:20:35.610 --> 00:20:37.668 - It makes me think that the things 416 00:20:37.710 --> 00:20:40.158 that we're looking at aren't biological. 417 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:41.898 They could be considered life forms 418 00:20:41.940 --> 00:20:43.398 just because they're that advanced 419 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:45.078 that they can build these things, 420 00:20:45.120 --> 00:20:50.120 but they may be beyond what we describe as traditional life 421 00:20:50.340 --> 00:20:53.778 and how we describe what's living and what's not living. 422 00:20:53.820 --> 00:20:57.678 - There are a number of reports of close encounters 423 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:01.068 that would seem to corroborate this time travel model. 424 00:21:01.110 --> 00:21:05.449 Amy Rylands, who was taken from her home in Australia 425 00:21:05.491 --> 00:21:09.708 and was found a short period after, 426 00:21:09.750 --> 00:21:12.318 but many hundreds of miles away. 427 00:21:12.360 --> 00:21:15.108 She was taken to the hospital directly after 428 00:21:15.150 --> 00:21:18.798 and the doctors found that the growth of her body hair 429 00:21:18.840 --> 00:21:21.408 was consistent with being gone for multiple days. 430 00:21:21.450 --> 00:21:24.048 And the lack of food in her stomach 431 00:21:24.090 --> 00:21:25.878 was also consistent with that. 432 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:28.975 This would indicate that the discrepancy 433 00:21:29.017 --> 00:21:31.458 between how long she was actually missing 434 00:21:31.500 --> 00:21:33.948 and how long she reports to have been gone 435 00:21:33.990 --> 00:21:37.188 is best explained in the context of time travel. 436 00:21:37.230 --> 00:21:40.848 - There's also the idea of the direction of time. 437 00:21:40.890 --> 00:21:42.978 They could be coming from the past even. 438 00:21:43.020 --> 00:21:44.568 But what about left in time? 439 00:21:44.610 --> 00:21:48.198 What about right in time or up in time or down? 440 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:51.528 We can't even conceptualize what that physically looks like. 441 00:21:51.570 --> 00:21:53.418 But what if this is possible 442 00:21:53.460 --> 00:21:55.098 and somebody has mastered that 443 00:21:55.140 --> 00:21:57.708 and they're coming from a time above us 444 00:21:57.750 --> 00:21:59.853 rather than in front of us in our future? 445 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:04.728 - We cannot judge the intelligence of species 446 00:22:04.770 --> 00:22:07.428 in outer space by our yardstick. 447 00:22:07.470 --> 00:22:09.048 We cannot assume that they're just 448 00:22:09.090 --> 00:22:11.268 a hundred years more advanced than us. 449 00:22:11.310 --> 00:22:14.298 In which case, yeah, they can't reach us. 450 00:22:14.340 --> 00:22:17.238 But if there are thousands of years ahead of us, 451 00:22:17.280 --> 00:22:20.613 new laws of physics begin to open up. 452 00:22:25.650 --> 00:22:28.308 - Before my experience at Rendlestrom, 453 00:22:28.350 --> 00:22:29.868 I did not believe in UFOs, 454 00:22:29.910 --> 00:22:32.088 did not believe in that type of phenomena, 455 00:22:32.130 --> 00:22:35.793 would try to debunk anything I ever heard about that. 456 00:22:35.835 --> 00:22:37.848 I thought anybody that would believe in such stuff 457 00:22:37.890 --> 00:22:42.387 was either whacked out, crazy or delirious. 458 00:22:43.590 --> 00:22:47.417 But all that changed after entering the forest that night. 459 00:22:47.459 --> 00:22:49.693 (background crowd) 460 00:22:49.735 --> 00:22:50.931 It was December, 1980. 461 00:22:50.973 --> 00:22:52.128 It was the height of the Cold War 462 00:22:52.170 --> 00:22:54.468 and I was assigned to the twin bases 463 00:22:54.510 --> 00:22:57.888 that were called RF Bentwaters and RF Woodbridge England. 464 00:22:57.930 --> 00:23:01.113 And in between those two bases was Rendlesham Forest. 465 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:11.868 - It was almost a perfect storm of 466 00:23:11.910 --> 00:23:14.088 what makes a UFO case compelling. 467 00:23:14.130 --> 00:23:15.348 Multiple witnesses. 468 00:23:15.390 --> 00:23:17.268 Witnesses were military personnel. 469 00:23:17.310 --> 00:23:19.098 The UFO was tracked on radar. 470 00:23:19.140 --> 00:23:20.238 This was a landing, 471 00:23:20.280 --> 00:23:21.408 not lights in the sky. 472 00:23:21.450 --> 00:23:23.478 And all of this is backed up, 473 00:23:23.520 --> 00:23:25.585 not just by the say so of the witnesses, 474 00:23:25.627 --> 00:23:28.494 but by the government file itself. 475 00:23:28.536 --> 00:23:29.658 - The night of the incident 476 00:23:29.700 --> 00:23:31.548 we were working a midnight shift. 477 00:23:31.590 --> 00:23:33.213 Everything started out normally. 478 00:23:34.080 --> 00:23:34.871 Matter of fact, 479 00:23:34.913 --> 00:23:36.318 it was rather mundane. 480 00:23:36.360 --> 00:23:38.868 In the middle of getting my first cup of coffee there, 481 00:23:38.910 --> 00:23:42.588 I get a call from Central Security Control, CSC. 482 00:23:42.630 --> 00:23:44.688 They said, I need to respond to the East gate. 483 00:23:44.730 --> 00:23:46.131 Once at the East gate 484 00:23:46.173 --> 00:23:48.708 I met with Staff Sergeant Steffans. 485 00:23:48.750 --> 00:23:51.498 He was the senior law enforcement patrolman. 486 00:23:51.540 --> 00:23:53.568 And I said, what's going on, Bud? 487 00:23:53.610 --> 00:23:57.588 And he seemed shook and he seemed upset. 488 00:23:57.630 --> 00:24:00.318 He took his finger and he started pointing 489 00:24:00.360 --> 00:24:02.298 over toward Rendlesham Forest 490 00:24:02.340 --> 00:24:04.218 and so I looked over there and I says, 491 00:24:04.260 --> 00:24:05.051 what is that? 492 00:24:05.093 --> 00:24:06.198 You know, I could see some light, 493 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:09.018 like a bubble light over the canopy of the forest. 494 00:24:09.060 --> 00:24:11.238 In the darker part of the forest toward the ground 495 00:24:11.280 --> 00:24:13.938 you could see multiple color lights going on and off. 496 00:24:13.980 --> 00:24:15.645 While we're in the middle of that conversation, 497 00:24:15.687 --> 00:24:17.868 Sergeant Coffey, the senior controller, 498 00:24:17.910 --> 00:24:20.418 comes back, he says, be advised, 499 00:24:20.460 --> 00:24:22.288 he said, I just checked the lender radar, 500 00:24:22.330 --> 00:24:25.638 eastern radar and Bentwater's radar. 501 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:27.918 And we lost contact with a bogey, 502 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:30.108 some type of craft 15 minutes ago. 503 00:24:30.150 --> 00:24:34.038 So we had confirmation of a possible aircraft crash. 504 00:24:34.080 --> 00:24:36.138 Bud says, no, it didn't crash, Jim. 505 00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:37.130 He said, it landed. 506 00:24:38.190 --> 00:24:39.798 As we approached the forest edge 507 00:24:39.840 --> 00:24:43.289 I have airman Kazak behind me about 150 feet. 508 00:24:43.331 --> 00:24:45.498 He stand for patrol point. 509 00:24:45.540 --> 00:24:49.128 I have airman burrows 25 to 30 feet over here to my right. 510 00:24:49.170 --> 00:24:53.088 Normally you would hear wind through the trees. 511 00:24:53.130 --> 00:24:54.828 There was no sound at all. 512 00:24:54.870 --> 00:24:56.778 Actually it was eerily quiet. 513 00:24:56.820 --> 00:24:59.058 So I couldn't hear like, you know, forest animals. 514 00:24:59.100 --> 00:25:02.088 I couldn't even hear my feet on the forest floor, 515 00:25:02.130 --> 00:25:03.948 that which had debris on it. 516 00:25:03.990 --> 00:25:07.818 I started feeling static electricity on my face and my skin. 517 00:25:07.860 --> 00:25:10.188 My movements were labored. 518 00:25:10.230 --> 00:25:12.948 Comparison for that would be like walking through a pool, 519 00:25:12.990 --> 00:25:14.388 water waist high. 520 00:25:14.430 --> 00:25:17.328 I look over my right for about 15 feet around 521 00:25:17.370 --> 00:25:19.083 is like a wall of light. 522 00:25:19.125 --> 00:25:21.528 As we approach the forest edge, 523 00:25:21.570 --> 00:25:24.078 I'm starting to see a formation of a craft, 524 00:25:24.120 --> 00:25:25.653 triangular in shape. 525 00:25:28.320 --> 00:25:29.658 I have the feeling as well, 526 00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:33.078 this cannot be in any Jane's Book of Aircraft. 527 00:25:33.120 --> 00:25:35.328 And it's not an aircraft that was designed 528 00:25:35.370 --> 00:25:37.338 by anything on this planet. 529 00:25:37.380 --> 00:25:39.168 My emotions were all over the place. 530 00:25:39.210 --> 00:25:40.338 They're running from the gamut, 531 00:25:40.380 --> 00:25:45.318 from being scared to in awe. 532 00:25:45.360 --> 00:25:46.308 I got my camera, 533 00:25:46.350 --> 00:25:47.178 I pop it out. 534 00:25:47.220 --> 00:25:48.736 I shot as much film as I could. 535 00:25:48.778 --> 00:25:51.168 (camera clicks) 536 00:25:51.210 --> 00:25:52.728 But I started looking underneath the craft, 537 00:25:52.770 --> 00:25:54.288 I thought I was curious. 538 00:25:54.330 --> 00:25:57.138 I was wondering how is this sitting above the forest floor? 539 00:25:57.180 --> 00:25:58.428 And when I looked underneath 540 00:25:58.470 --> 00:25:59.478 I could see nothing but light under it, 541 00:25:59.520 --> 00:26:00.438 like white light. 542 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.423 There was three indentions in the ground, 543 00:26:04.287 --> 00:26:05.285 triangular. 544 00:26:05.327 --> 00:26:06.888 They were probably an inch, inch and a half deep. 545 00:26:06.930 --> 00:26:09.978 Somehow this light created those indentions. 546 00:26:10.020 --> 00:26:13.736 I thought, well maybe it's still mobile or it could move. 547 00:26:13.778 --> 00:26:17.838 And I thought I could push the craft to see if it, you know, 548 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:19.393 if you had a car out there for example, 549 00:26:19.435 --> 00:26:22.188 you could push it on the side and you would move, 550 00:26:22.230 --> 00:26:23.868 you know, a half inch or inch. 551 00:26:23.910 --> 00:26:24.888 This was solid. 552 00:26:24.930 --> 00:26:26.328 The skin of the craft, 553 00:26:26.370 --> 00:26:27.558 it was completely smooth. 554 00:26:27.600 --> 00:26:32.058 There was no riveting like black glass that was shiny. 555 00:26:32.100 --> 00:26:33.648 When I was touching it, 556 00:26:33.690 --> 00:26:35.358 it was warm to the touch. 557 00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:37.735 I later find out it had radiation. 558 00:26:37.777 --> 00:26:40.820 I got a glimpse of the side of the craft, 559 00:26:40.862 --> 00:26:42.678 it looked like writing. 560 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:44.478 I'm thinking, oh great, you know, 561 00:26:44.520 --> 00:26:46.668 it's gonna say NASA or Soviet Union. 562 00:26:46.710 --> 00:26:49.488 As they get closer to it, it's not writing, 563 00:26:49.530 --> 00:26:52.008 but more pictorial glyphs drawn on it. 564 00:26:52.050 --> 00:26:56.148 They measured about three feet wide by five inches high. 565 00:26:56.190 --> 00:26:59.808 And then on top of those pictorial glyphs, 566 00:26:59.850 --> 00:27:03.168 they had a larger glyph that was a triangular one 567 00:27:03.210 --> 00:27:04.438 with a bigger circle around it. 568 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:06.408 I was just completely baffled. 569 00:27:06.450 --> 00:27:07.518 None of it's making sense. 570 00:27:07.560 --> 00:27:08.754 I can't rationalize it. 571 00:27:08.796 --> 00:27:12.352 It's nothing like I've ever seen before or even today. 572 00:27:12.394 --> 00:27:14.838 (camera clicks) 573 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:16.668 This craft with radiation 574 00:27:16.710 --> 00:27:18.513 expelled all the film on my camera. 575 00:27:21.120 --> 00:27:24.198 The craft starts generating more white-ish blue light. 576 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:26.838 And I see the craft start going up 577 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:29.508 and it goes up to the canopy of the forest 578 00:27:29.550 --> 00:27:31.518 and it's just sort of momentarily hovers there 579 00:27:31.560 --> 00:27:33.885 and then makes a right turn 580 00:27:33.927 --> 00:27:35.868 and in a blink of an eye it's gone. 581 00:27:35.910 --> 00:27:37.128 When it took off, 582 00:27:37.170 --> 00:27:38.917 it didn't have no air displacement, 583 00:27:38.959 --> 00:27:42.378 it had no sound, it had no sonic boom. 584 00:27:42.420 --> 00:27:43.805 None of those, it was void of those two. 585 00:27:43.847 --> 00:27:45.798 One of the thoughts I'd never released in it, 586 00:27:45.840 --> 00:27:46.878 not even in the book, 587 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:49.428 is I thought that there was a strong possibility 588 00:27:49.470 --> 00:27:51.258 the craft was organic, 589 00:27:51.300 --> 00:27:53.868 the craft skin itself was metal and all that, 590 00:27:53.910 --> 00:27:55.128 but it seems organic. 591 00:27:55.170 --> 00:27:56.778 Even the look of it seems organic 592 00:27:56.820 --> 00:28:00.243 because of the structure of the craft itself. 593 00:28:01.560 --> 00:28:02.838 From their perspective, 594 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:04.661 it was definitely not hostile. 595 00:28:04.703 --> 00:28:05.998 (camera clicks) 596 00:28:06.040 --> 00:28:07.098 Freely let me walk around, examine it. 597 00:28:07.140 --> 00:28:08.298 Allowed me to take notes, 598 00:28:08.340 --> 00:28:09.131 allows me to touch it. 599 00:28:09.173 --> 00:28:11.358 It allows me to have an exchange with it. 600 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.358 I think its intentions was to communicate, 601 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:15.623 that's why it was there. 602 00:28:23.793 --> 00:28:27.044 (upbeat music) 603 00:28:27.086 --> 00:28:28.248 - The US Navy has finally acknowledged that video 604 00:28:28.290 --> 00:28:30.768 is appearing to show UFOs flying through the air- 605 00:28:30.810 --> 00:28:31.758 - Are genuine. 606 00:28:31.800 --> 00:28:33.618 They do in fact show aerial phenomenon 607 00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:35.259 the Navy cannot explain. 608 00:28:35.301 --> 00:28:37.368 And that in fact our understanding 609 00:28:37.410 --> 00:28:39.048 of physics cannot explain. 610 00:28:39.090 --> 00:28:40.428 - These are Navy pilots. 611 00:28:40.470 --> 00:28:42.097 This isn't like a farmer who may have no idea 612 00:28:42.139 --> 00:28:43.399 how a plane is constructed. 613 00:28:43.441 --> 00:28:44.783 - [Participant] Right. 614 00:28:44.825 --> 00:28:47.148 - These are experts baffled. 615 00:28:47.190 --> 00:28:48.468 - [Participant] On aviation, you're right. 616 00:28:48.510 --> 00:28:52.818 - This is massive news that could shatter 617 00:28:52.860 --> 00:28:56.658 our entire conception of the universe and our place in it. 618 00:28:56.700 --> 00:28:58.758 The US Navy has confirmed the existence 619 00:28:58.800 --> 00:29:00.675 of Unidentified Flying Objects. 620 00:29:00.717 --> 00:29:03.800 (plane engine whirs) 621 00:29:05.610 --> 00:29:06.708 - My name is Kevin Day, 622 00:29:06.750 --> 00:29:09.228 I'm a former operations specialist senior chief. 623 00:29:09.270 --> 00:29:10.968 My job during the Tic-Tac encounter, 624 00:29:11.010 --> 00:29:12.378 I was a air defense expert 625 00:29:12.420 --> 00:29:14.120 assisting the captain of the ship. 626 00:29:17.580 --> 00:29:20.208 On or about the 10th of November I went up to contact. 627 00:29:20.250 --> 00:29:23.061 I noticed these really bizarre radar contacts 628 00:29:23.103 --> 00:29:24.888 on my radar display. 629 00:29:24.930 --> 00:29:27.269 The reason why I say they were weird is because 630 00:29:27.311 --> 00:29:29.238 they were in a group of between five or six 631 00:29:29.280 --> 00:29:30.468 at that particular day. 632 00:29:30.510 --> 00:29:33.708 They were 28,000 feet going a hundred knots. 633 00:29:33.750 --> 00:29:35.868 Normally something that high going that slow 634 00:29:35.910 --> 00:29:37.338 is gonna fall out of the sky. 635 00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:39.048 So I started coordinating with the bridge team 636 00:29:39.090 --> 00:29:40.878 cuz I wanted them to actually go on the, 637 00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:42.318 what we call the big eye binoculars, 638 00:29:42.360 --> 00:29:44.298 and try to find them in the sky cuz I wanted some 639 00:29:44.340 --> 00:29:46.278 sort of visual information on these things. 640 00:29:46.320 --> 00:29:49.188 - Kevin was very adamant about having me go back and forth 641 00:29:49.230 --> 00:29:51.124 from the bridge wings talking to my lookouts 642 00:29:51.166 --> 00:29:54.018 and scanning the sky for air contacts. 643 00:29:54.060 --> 00:29:57.018 It just wasn't really a job that I needed to be doing. 644 00:29:57.060 --> 00:29:59.118 I needed to be managing the whole bridge that night. 645 00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:03.288 It was really curious to me that Kevin was so concerned 646 00:30:03.330 --> 00:30:06.168 that the chief on the bridge find the air contacts. 647 00:30:06.210 --> 00:30:08.718 I saw a constellation of stars hanging in the sky 648 00:30:08.760 --> 00:30:10.068 that just didn't seem to fit. 649 00:30:10.110 --> 00:30:12.948 They were in a constellation of five to seven stars 650 00:30:12.990 --> 00:30:15.378 hanging approximately 45 degrees in the air 651 00:30:15.420 --> 00:30:18.078 and about 2000 feet up off the port bow of the ship. 652 00:30:18.120 --> 00:30:19.878 And as I lifted the binoculars up to look at them, 653 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.038 all of the stars at once began to move 654 00:30:22.080 --> 00:30:24.230 counterclockwise and in towards the center. 655 00:30:26.340 --> 00:30:29.178 These were definitely not conventional aircraft. 656 00:30:29.220 --> 00:30:30.348 Every single thing that was in 657 00:30:30.390 --> 00:30:32.538 that battle space was managed. 658 00:30:32.580 --> 00:30:34.038 Everything was tracked, 659 00:30:34.080 --> 00:30:35.778 everything had a name, a number, 660 00:30:35.820 --> 00:30:37.518 and had someone watching it on a scope 661 00:30:37.560 --> 00:30:39.408 or making sure that he either got home safe 662 00:30:39.450 --> 00:30:40.998 or got disposed of properly. 663 00:30:41.040 --> 00:30:42.978 It was pretty simple to me that what I was seeing 664 00:30:43.020 --> 00:30:44.875 was unlike anything I'd ever seen before. 665 00:30:44.917 --> 00:30:47.708 I turned to the lookout to my left and I said, 666 00:30:47.750 --> 00:30:49.788 did you see fucking see that? 667 00:30:49.830 --> 00:30:51.322 And he nodded at me with his mouth open 668 00:30:51.364 --> 00:30:53.208 and we just looked at each other for a minute 669 00:30:53.250 --> 00:30:54.750 and looked back up at the sky. 670 00:30:57.031 --> 00:30:58.278 - At one point Sean calls me down to combat. 671 00:30:58.320 --> 00:31:00.076 He says, Hey Kevin, I gotta talk to you man. 672 00:31:00.118 --> 00:31:01.698 I'm getting kind of scared up here 673 00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:03.498 cuz this is like an oh shit moment 674 00:31:03.540 --> 00:31:05.628 cuz no one on the bridge knows what these things are 675 00:31:05.670 --> 00:31:08.313 and why aren't you guys doing anything about this? 676 00:31:09.187 --> 00:31:10.533 (upbeat music) 677 00:31:10.575 --> 00:31:11.366 I went over to the AIC and I said, 678 00:31:11.408 --> 00:31:13.068 Hey, I want you to go ahead and intercept 679 00:31:13.110 --> 00:31:13.901 with one of those contact 680 00:31:13.943 --> 00:31:16.440 that would just happen to be Commander FRAs flight. 681 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.868 - He says, Hey sir, we've seen these objects, 682 00:31:20.910 --> 00:31:23.718 they've been for two weeks they've been coming down 683 00:31:23.760 --> 00:31:24.858 and he's given us the whole story. 684 00:31:24.900 --> 00:31:26.778 He says, we need you to go investigate. 685 00:31:26.820 --> 00:31:28.270 We wanna know what these are. 686 00:31:29.760 --> 00:31:32.598 Water is perfectly calm, no white caps. 687 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:35.598 I mean it's literally a perfect San Diego, California day. 688 00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:36.828 - It's a pretty boring intercept 689 00:31:36.870 --> 00:31:39.079 cuz we have the coms up in the overhead speaker 690 00:31:39.121 --> 00:31:41.208 until it gets to the merge point 691 00:31:41.250 --> 00:31:43.008 we hear on the radio is a Charlie, 692 00:31:43.050 --> 00:31:45.560 I think we might have a downed aircraft. 693 00:31:45.602 --> 00:31:47.358 I'm seeing a disturbance of the water down here. 694 00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:48.528 I'm gonna check it out. 695 00:31:48.570 --> 00:31:50.433 - It's about the size of a 737. 696 00:31:50.475 --> 00:31:52.673 It actually kind of has a shape of like a cross. 697 00:31:52.715 --> 00:31:53.838 It draws our eyes. 698 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:55.136 We're like, oh that's kind of odd. 699 00:31:55.178 --> 00:31:59.178 The whizo in the other airplane comes up 700 00:31:59.220 --> 00:32:01.165 and says, Hey skipper, do you? 701 00:32:01.207 --> 00:32:03.138 And that's about what he gets outta his mouth. 702 00:32:03.180 --> 00:32:06.258 And what we see is this white tic-tac looking object 703 00:32:06.300 --> 00:32:07.998 just above the surface of the water. 704 00:32:08.040 --> 00:32:09.018 It's about 40 feet long, 705 00:32:09.060 --> 00:32:09.905 didn't have any markings on it 706 00:32:09.947 --> 00:32:11.478 and it didn't have any wings 707 00:32:11.520 --> 00:32:12.798 and it didn't have any rotors 708 00:32:12.840 --> 00:32:14.988 and it's just radically moving forward, back, 709 00:32:15.030 --> 00:32:16.098 left, right at will. 710 00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:17.238 So I said, I'm gonna go check it out. 711 00:32:17.280 --> 00:32:18.948 So I start driving around and it's still doing 712 00:32:18.990 --> 00:32:20.448 its forward, back, left, right. 713 00:32:20.490 --> 00:32:21.768 We get to about the 12 o'clock position. 714 00:32:21.810 --> 00:32:23.148 I'm just in a nice easy descent. 715 00:32:23.190 --> 00:32:26.868 The tic-tac just kind of rapidly goes boop and turns. 716 00:32:26.910 --> 00:32:27.798 So now it mirrors us. 717 00:32:27.840 --> 00:32:29.118 We're up high, we're coming down, 718 00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:30.048 it starts coming up. 719 00:32:30.090 --> 00:32:31.398 - We hear I'm the overhead speaker. 720 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:33.588 Oh my god, oh my god, I'm engaged, I'm engaged. 721 00:32:33.630 --> 00:32:34.908 - This is getting interesting. 722 00:32:34.950 --> 00:32:36.948 So we kind of drive all the way around a circle. 723 00:32:36.990 --> 00:32:38.268 I'm descending, it's coming up 724 00:32:38.310 --> 00:32:40.897 and I get over to about the eight o'clock position 725 00:32:40.939 --> 00:32:43.698 of the clock and it's over at about the two o'clock position 726 00:32:43.740 --> 00:32:45.048 and I just kind of drop my nose aggressively 727 00:32:45.090 --> 00:32:46.338 and I cut across the circle 728 00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:48.018 cuz I'm trying to fly to where it's gonna be 729 00:32:48.060 --> 00:32:48.888 cuz I wanna join on it. 730 00:32:48.930 --> 00:32:50.268 I wanna see how close I can get. 731 00:32:50.310 --> 00:32:51.168 And as I'm pulling up, 732 00:32:51.210 --> 00:32:53.160 it's kind of starting to cross my nose. 733 00:32:57.090 --> 00:32:58.268 As I start to pull nose onto it, 734 00:32:58.310 --> 00:33:00.303 it just goes poof and it's gone. 735 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:04.938 I say, Hey, let's turn around 736 00:33:04.980 --> 00:33:07.548 and let's go back to see what was in the water. 737 00:33:07.590 --> 00:33:08.381 It's gone. 738 00:33:08.423 --> 00:33:10.638 Water's perfectly, there's no white water, nothing, 739 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:11.898 it's just blue. 740 00:33:11.940 --> 00:33:13.158 - My air intercept controller says, 741 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:14.658 uh sir, you're not gonna believe this, 742 00:33:14.700 --> 00:33:17.988 but that object is back at your cap station. 743 00:33:18.030 --> 00:33:19.308 - That was our original point where we were gonna 744 00:33:19.350 --> 00:33:20.748 hold 40 miles south of the ship. 745 00:33:20.790 --> 00:33:22.338 This thing just went from wherever we were at 746 00:33:22.380 --> 00:33:24.918 to 60 miles in 30, 40 seconds, 747 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:25.908 it's already over there. 748 00:33:25.950 --> 00:33:27.708 And it just, and they didn't track it, 749 00:33:27.750 --> 00:33:28.653 it just appeared. 750 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:31.908 - Whatever it was was not Newtonian physics, 751 00:33:31.950 --> 00:33:33.528 it was not classical physics, 752 00:33:33.570 --> 00:33:35.103 it had to be something else. 753 00:33:37.669 --> 00:33:38.628 Commander Fravor's flight is getting low on fuel, 754 00:33:38.670 --> 00:33:40.278 so he has to return to the carrier. 755 00:33:40.320 --> 00:33:41.688 Next flight was getting ready to launch. 756 00:33:41.730 --> 00:33:44.178 So he goes out on the flight deck and he waves 'em down 757 00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:46.158 and he says, Hey, definitely take a airplane 758 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:48.355 with an At flayer pod on to record video. 759 00:33:48.397 --> 00:33:50.913 That pilot was name was Chad Underwood. 760 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:53.868 After flight's launch off the Nimitz 761 00:33:53.910 --> 00:33:56.238 and before I know it I've got all these intercepts going 762 00:33:56.280 --> 00:33:58.278 and these contacts are falling out of the sky. 763 00:33:58.320 --> 00:34:01.020 At one point it seemed to me that it was raining UFOs. 764 00:34:03.911 --> 00:34:06.828 - He goes to lock it up and immediately the radar can tell, 765 00:34:06.870 --> 00:34:09.438 it gets signals back that it's being jammed. 766 00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:12.228 So and technically jamming is an act of war. 767 00:34:12.270 --> 00:34:15.348 Well, he's smart enough to castle to his targeting pod 768 00:34:15.390 --> 00:34:16.638 and he takes a passive track 769 00:34:16.680 --> 00:34:18.738 and that's the video that you see of the tic-tac 770 00:34:18.780 --> 00:34:19.668 where it's just sitting in the middle 771 00:34:19.710 --> 00:34:20.538 of the screen real quiet. 772 00:34:20.580 --> 00:34:22.008 So as you look at it now, in this case, 773 00:34:22.050 --> 00:34:23.928 you would actually start to see stuff going on 774 00:34:23.970 --> 00:34:25.818 and even in TV mode, because you get exhaust, 775 00:34:25.860 --> 00:34:27.642 you know the black exhaust that comes out, 776 00:34:27.684 --> 00:34:29.268 you'll usually be able to see kind of 777 00:34:29.310 --> 00:34:30.258 some of that coming outta the back end. 778 00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:31.689 You don't see anything. 779 00:34:31.731 --> 00:34:32.693 This thing's just sitting there. 780 00:34:32.735 --> 00:34:33.526 It's just kind of sitting and all of a sudden 781 00:34:33.568 --> 00:34:35.028 off it goes to the left. 782 00:34:35.070 --> 00:34:36.558 For something to leave the field of view that fast 783 00:34:36.600 --> 00:34:39.738 with the pod just steering is pretty fast. 784 00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:41.658 I mean, it just, it's like outta here. 785 00:34:41.700 --> 00:34:44.568 The best airplane in the world right now, F22 Raptor, 786 00:34:44.610 --> 00:34:45.885 it can't take off like that, 787 00:34:45.927 --> 00:34:47.568 especially if it's a hover. 788 00:34:47.610 --> 00:34:48.543 I mean you're talking something 789 00:34:48.585 --> 00:34:50.628 that's just sitting in space in the wind 790 00:34:50.670 --> 00:34:52.608 and then it just all of a sudden accelerates, 791 00:34:52.650 --> 00:34:53.868 airplanes don't work that way. 792 00:34:53.910 --> 00:34:56.508 So that's where I say, well it was observing us. 793 00:34:56.550 --> 00:34:59.508 It could have been communicating with whatever was there. 794 00:34:59.550 --> 00:35:00.716 My questions are, 795 00:35:00.758 --> 00:35:02.508 where'd it come from? 796 00:35:02.550 --> 00:35:03.684 That's the biggest one. 797 00:35:03.726 --> 00:35:05.066 Where'd it come from? 798 00:35:05.108 --> 00:35:07.172 What was it doing? 799 00:35:07.214 --> 00:35:08.388 I dunno if it shifted my perspective, 800 00:35:08.430 --> 00:35:09.483 but it was more of a- 801 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:11.448 It's a validation. 802 00:35:11.490 --> 00:35:13.788 You know, I've always like, yeah, there's a lot of stars. 803 00:35:13.830 --> 00:35:14.688 And then you see something like this 804 00:35:14.730 --> 00:35:17.405 and go, well maybe we're not cuz that pushes you 805 00:35:17.447 --> 00:35:20.478 to the next point to go one lands in my front yard, 806 00:35:20.520 --> 00:35:23.088 then I'll be 100% sure that we are not alone 807 00:35:23.130 --> 00:35:24.198 cuz it's sitting in my front yard. 808 00:35:24.240 --> 00:35:26.480 But I got within a half mile of this thing, 809 00:35:26.522 --> 00:35:29.928 which is people go a half mile is pretty far away. 810 00:35:29.970 --> 00:35:31.128 Again, not when you're flying an airplane, 811 00:35:31.170 --> 00:35:32.538 half mile is like really tight. 812 00:35:32.580 --> 00:35:34.938 - When the tic-tac footage and the gimbal footage 813 00:35:34.980 --> 00:35:37.596 and the go fast footage were all released, 814 00:35:37.638 --> 00:35:38.508 they really changed the game for everybody. 815 00:35:38.550 --> 00:35:40.368 And listening to the narration of the pilots 816 00:35:40.410 --> 00:35:41.478 during the gimbal footage, 817 00:35:41.520 --> 00:35:43.878 it's even more astonishing because you can hear 818 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.293 the sheer incredulity in their voices. 819 00:35:48.580 --> 00:35:49.465 - [Pilot] Look at that thing! 820 00:35:49.507 --> 00:35:50.392 It's rotating. 821 00:35:50.434 --> 00:35:52.800 - [Pilot 2] Oh my gosh, dude, wow. 822 00:35:52.842 --> 00:35:53.907 What is that, man? 823 00:35:53.949 --> 00:35:54.740 Look at it flying! 824 00:35:54.782 --> 00:35:55.788 - Some people have said that 825 00:35:55.830 --> 00:35:59.148 maybe these videotapes are hoaxes, they're doctored. 826 00:35:59.190 --> 00:36:01.428 They're not really real at all. 827 00:36:01.470 --> 00:36:04.338 Well, the military itself has finally owned up 828 00:36:04.380 --> 00:36:07.848 to the fact that no, these videotapes are real. 829 00:36:07.890 --> 00:36:10.128 There is something there 830 00:36:10.170 --> 00:36:12.498 that seems to be pushing the envelope 831 00:36:12.540 --> 00:36:15.948 with regards to the aerodynamics of these objects. 832 00:36:15.990 --> 00:36:17.199 - In my own mind at least, 833 00:36:17.241 --> 00:36:21.468 I'm pretty convinced that we had just intercepted a UFO 834 00:36:21.510 --> 00:36:23.208 and oh, by the way, I was pretty senior, 835 00:36:23.250 --> 00:36:24.108 I was getting ready to retire 836 00:36:24.150 --> 00:36:25.668 and it was my last intercept, 837 00:36:25.710 --> 00:36:27.618 my last real world intercept. 838 00:36:27.660 --> 00:36:30.324 What a hell of a way to end your career, right? 839 00:36:30.366 --> 00:36:31.257 (chuckles) 840 00:36:31.299 --> 00:36:33.738 Interceptive a (beep) UFO. 841 00:36:33.780 --> 00:36:34.968 Who does that? 842 00:36:35.010 --> 00:36:37.093 (laughs) 843 00:36:40.170 --> 00:36:42.648 - The article that I wrote with two colleagues 844 00:36:42.690 --> 00:36:44.448 on the front page of the New York Times 845 00:36:44.490 --> 00:36:48.768 in December of 2017 was a really big deal. 846 00:36:48.810 --> 00:36:50.658 It had a big impact. 847 00:36:50.700 --> 00:36:55.008 And that came about because I was called by some colleagues 848 00:36:55.050 --> 00:36:57.198 to meet with Lou Elizondo, 849 00:36:57.240 --> 00:37:00.078 who was the former head of a secret government program, 850 00:37:00.120 --> 00:37:02.684 a Pentagon program studying UFOs, 851 00:37:02.726 --> 00:37:04.518 which nobody knew about. 852 00:37:04.560 --> 00:37:08.268 And so when I met with him and was given, 853 00:37:08.310 --> 00:37:11.898 shown a lot of information, including some videos, 854 00:37:11.940 --> 00:37:13.578 took those to the New York Times 855 00:37:13.620 --> 00:37:15.498 with my colleague Ralph Blumenthal 856 00:37:15.540 --> 00:37:18.348 and that's how the story started. 857 00:37:18.390 --> 00:37:20.688 Since we exposed the fact that the Department of Defense 858 00:37:20.730 --> 00:37:23.418 had actually had their own program, were looking into this, 859 00:37:23.460 --> 00:37:25.968 and had been studying cases for 10 years, 860 00:37:26.010 --> 00:37:28.547 it makes it a lot harder for government officials 861 00:37:28.589 --> 00:37:32.448 to give really crazy explanations for cases 862 00:37:32.490 --> 00:37:34.818 like they used to do in the day of Project Blue Book. 863 00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:39.108 - Now we have the Navy proactively volunteering 864 00:37:39.150 --> 00:37:40.518 that not only is this video 865 00:37:40.560 --> 00:37:43.308 and these two other videos, are they legitimate? 866 00:37:43.350 --> 00:37:45.528 But by the way, hey, we see hundreds 867 00:37:45.570 --> 00:37:47.132 of these things all the time 868 00:37:47.174 --> 00:37:49.788 and we need help reporting them. 869 00:37:49.830 --> 00:37:53.748 This is a sea change in the UFO phenomenon. 870 00:37:53.790 --> 00:37:55.188 - When I saw these video tapes, 871 00:37:55.230 --> 00:37:56.688 I realized that we were watching 872 00:37:56.730 --> 00:37:58.518 actually something historic. 873 00:37:58.560 --> 00:38:00.468 It used to be that the burden of proof 874 00:38:00.510 --> 00:38:02.774 was on the flying saucer people. 875 00:38:02.816 --> 00:38:05.448 You saw something, prove it. 876 00:38:05.490 --> 00:38:07.128 Now it's shifted. 877 00:38:07.170 --> 00:38:10.188 Now the burden of proof is on the military 878 00:38:10.230 --> 00:38:12.288 to prove that these objects are 879 00:38:12.330 --> 00:38:14.448 not something bizarre and strange 880 00:38:14.490 --> 00:38:16.233 or perhaps from another planet. 881 00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:42.708 - I started my career in Los Angeles 882 00:38:42.750 --> 00:38:44.868 working on a movie called To the Moon and Beyond 883 00:38:44.910 --> 00:38:46.938 for the New York World's Fair, 884 00:38:46.980 --> 00:38:50.148 which opened in 1964 and '65. 885 00:38:50.190 --> 00:38:53.508 And that film was animated and visual effects. 886 00:38:53.550 --> 00:38:57.168 And this film was seen by Stanley Kubrick and Arthur Clark 887 00:38:57.210 --> 00:38:59.902 who were developing a movie project called 888 00:38:59.944 --> 00:39:02.388 Journey Beyond the Stars, 889 00:39:02.430 --> 00:39:06.018 which later became titled 2001 A Space Odyssey. 890 00:39:06.060 --> 00:39:07.608 And that led to me getting a job 891 00:39:07.650 --> 00:39:10.248 working on some preliminary design for the movie, 892 00:39:10.290 --> 00:39:13.818 and then actually working on the movie with Stanley Kubrick. 893 00:39:13.860 --> 00:39:16.338 Because I worked on 2001 A Space Odyssey, 894 00:39:16.380 --> 00:39:18.378 which was about alien contact 895 00:39:18.420 --> 00:39:20.688 that led later to working with Steven Spielberg 896 00:39:20.730 --> 00:39:21.678 to do the visual effects for 897 00:39:21.720 --> 00:39:23.988 Close Encounters of the third Kind. 898 00:39:24.030 --> 00:39:26.025 And I didn't know when I was working on 899 00:39:26.067 --> 00:39:29.958 Close Encounters that J. Allen Hynek was who he was. 900 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:31.959 I didn't know that Steven Spielberg 901 00:39:32.001 --> 00:39:34.908 had read a lot of Jacques Vale's books, 902 00:39:34.950 --> 00:39:36.798 which led to his writing the screenplay 903 00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:38.178 for Close Encounters. 904 00:39:38.220 --> 00:39:41.348 And so in retrospect, looking back now with what I do know, 905 00:39:41.390 --> 00:39:44.718 many of the events depicted in Close Encounters 906 00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:46.248 might have actually occurred. 907 00:39:46.290 --> 00:39:48.408 And so I started thinking of Close Encounters 908 00:39:48.450 --> 00:39:50.313 as an expensive documentary film. 909 00:39:52.590 --> 00:39:53.898 When I moved here to the Berkshires 910 00:39:53.940 --> 00:39:55.673 and started rethinking my life, 911 00:39:55.715 --> 00:39:58.608 one of the projects that came to the forefront for me 912 00:39:58.650 --> 00:40:01.548 was really starting out as kind of an amateur astronomer 913 00:40:01.590 --> 00:40:02.853 and talking about would it be possible 914 00:40:02.895 --> 00:40:06.978 to professionally photograph and validate 915 00:40:07.020 --> 00:40:10.158 the existence of flying aerial phenomena. 916 00:40:10.200 --> 00:40:12.138 And I started this little project 917 00:40:12.180 --> 00:40:14.596 to explore that possibility 918 00:40:14.638 --> 00:40:16.788 and I called it UFOTOG, 919 00:40:16.830 --> 00:40:18.858 which meant UFO photography. 920 00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:21.828 - So Doug reviewed the system with me. 921 00:40:21.870 --> 00:40:24.378 It was a Humvee that had a system inside of it 922 00:40:24.420 --> 00:40:26.208 with multiple telescopes, multiple instruments, 923 00:40:26.250 --> 00:40:29.358 that would raise up on a hydraulic lift out of the roof. 924 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:30.438 Very dramatic. 925 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:32.388 I looked at it and I said to him 926 00:40:32.430 --> 00:40:33.648 what he was already thinking, 927 00:40:33.690 --> 00:40:35.628 it's a very expensive unit to have, 928 00:40:35.670 --> 00:40:36.888 it can't get every place. 929 00:40:36.930 --> 00:40:40.462 There's inaccessible areas that a large vehicle can't reach. 930 00:40:40.504 --> 00:40:42.930 And I said, why don't we make smaller platters 931 00:40:42.972 --> 00:40:44.550 and just distribute those. 932 00:40:44.592 --> 00:40:47.058 If you're looking up in the sky with these cameras, 933 00:40:47.100 --> 00:40:49.188 your first thought is, okay, was that an insect? 934 00:40:49.230 --> 00:40:50.031 Was that a bird? 935 00:40:50.073 --> 00:40:52.149 One way to narrow it down right away 936 00:40:52.191 --> 00:40:55.548 is to have more than one of these platters 937 00:40:55.590 --> 00:40:57.078 looking up into the sky. 938 00:40:57.120 --> 00:40:58.848 And if you have one of these looking up in the sky 939 00:40:58.890 --> 00:41:00.648 over here, then you have one view. 940 00:41:00.690 --> 00:41:02.250 But if you have another one looking up in the sky 941 00:41:02.292 --> 00:41:03.738 half a mile away- 942 00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:04.571 - Right. 943 00:41:04.613 --> 00:41:05.598 - And it sees the same thing, 944 00:41:05.640 --> 00:41:07.291 it's not a localized event, 945 00:41:07.333 --> 00:41:09.168 it's something farther away 946 00:41:09.210 --> 00:41:11.388 because both see it at the same time. 947 00:41:11.430 --> 00:41:12.558 And then we can triangulate, 948 00:41:12.600 --> 00:41:14.603 we can get the speed, the course, the altitude. 949 00:41:14.645 --> 00:41:16.758 That's something that's very important. 950 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:21.528 And because each platter will have multiple sensors, 951 00:41:21.570 --> 00:41:23.025 we'll be able to see, for instance, 952 00:41:23.067 --> 00:41:25.188 if it emits some gamma rays, 953 00:41:25.230 --> 00:41:27.648 if the thing shows up only in the infrared 954 00:41:27.690 --> 00:41:29.208 or if it only shows up in the ultraviolet 955 00:41:29.250 --> 00:41:31.488 far off into the blue end of the spectrum 956 00:41:31.530 --> 00:41:33.258 that you can't see with your eyes. 957 00:41:33.300 --> 00:41:36.424 And depending on the method that they use for propulsion, 958 00:41:36.466 --> 00:41:39.738 they're gonna give off different types of radiation. 959 00:41:39.780 --> 00:41:41.718 - And extract an image that tells us 960 00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:43.368 exactly what it's made out of, 961 00:41:43.410 --> 00:41:44.808 what materials it's made out of. 962 00:41:44.850 --> 00:41:46.578 They can see every rivet, they can say, 963 00:41:46.620 --> 00:41:49.608 well, part of it's Teflon, part of it's carbon fiber, 964 00:41:49.650 --> 00:41:51.528 part of it's aluminum, part of it's Mylar. 965 00:41:51.570 --> 00:41:52.585 - Yeah. 966 00:41:52.627 --> 00:41:54.138 - They can actually give you a complete inventory 967 00:41:54.180 --> 00:41:54.971 of what it's made out of. 968 00:41:55.013 --> 00:41:57.438 So I thought well, maybe we're gonna see something 969 00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:58.788 that we've never seen before. 970 00:41:58.830 --> 00:42:02.118 Maybe it's unanalyzable and maybe it's something else. 971 00:42:02.160 --> 00:42:02.951 - That's right. 972 00:42:02.993 --> 00:42:03.858 - That's what we're gonna find out. 973 00:42:03.900 --> 00:42:06.798 - That's right and that's the golden nugget that UFOTOGs 974 00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:10.368 as in the aerial anomaly detection system is all about. 975 00:42:10.410 --> 00:42:12.888 And we're gonna make that data available to everybody. 976 00:42:12.930 --> 00:42:14.778 This is stuff that belongs to humanity. 977 00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:16.158 We've said this over and over again. 978 00:42:16.200 --> 00:42:17.685 This data belongs to humanity 979 00:42:17.727 --> 00:42:19.293 and it goes to humanity. 980 00:42:23.610 --> 00:42:26.407 - What am I as a physicist supposed to do 981 00:42:26.449 --> 00:42:30.768 when someone says they saw something in the night sky? 982 00:42:30.810 --> 00:42:32.268 Maybe they did, 983 00:42:32.310 --> 00:42:34.068 maybe they didn't. 984 00:42:34.110 --> 00:42:36.378 In other words, we need something tangible, 985 00:42:36.420 --> 00:42:37.878 we need a takeaway, 986 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:39.618 we need something that we can say, 987 00:42:39.660 --> 00:42:43.353 aha, here is the smoking gun. 988 00:42:47.819 --> 00:42:49.458 - To have a real smoking gun where we like 989 00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:52.488 maybe even know what the phenomenon is, 990 00:42:52.530 --> 00:42:55.068 it would have to be something like we've never seen before, 991 00:42:55.110 --> 00:42:57.138 something retrieved by our government 992 00:42:57.180 --> 00:43:00.408 or even is stashed away in a private company 993 00:43:00.450 --> 00:43:03.468 or crash craft or part of a craft 994 00:43:03.510 --> 00:43:07.308 or it could be something the phenomenon does by itself. 995 00:43:07.350 --> 00:43:08.624 And I think either one of those things 996 00:43:08.666 --> 00:43:11.358 would obviously change everything 997 00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:15.348 and would probably allow a determination to be made 998 00:43:15.390 --> 00:43:17.163 as to what they actually are. 999 00:43:19.180 --> 00:43:20.358 (tape rewind) 1000 00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:21.633 Part of a craft. 1001 00:43:24.630 --> 00:43:29.630 - I know that it is supposedly from a crash site 1002 00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:32.673 in New Mexico from the St. Augustine Plains. 1003 00:43:34.010 --> 00:43:35.328 It happened in 1947, 1004 00:43:35.370 --> 00:43:39.738 within weeks of the supposed Roswell crash. 1005 00:43:39.780 --> 00:43:40.848 - My team was lucky. 1006 00:43:40.890 --> 00:43:44.778 Over the recent four weeks we were able to 1007 00:43:44.820 --> 00:43:47.553 acquire materials that I deem exotic. 1008 00:43:54.775 --> 00:43:57.192 (door slams) 1009 00:44:08.850 --> 00:44:12.648 So, so yeah, you have three completely different alloys. 1010 00:44:12.690 --> 00:44:14.238 At least one of these samples 1011 00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:16.248 shows an extremely high probability 1012 00:44:16.290 --> 00:44:19.068 of having carbon nano tubes inside of them. 1013 00:44:19.110 --> 00:44:21.173 And none of the isotopic ratios 1014 00:44:21.215 --> 00:44:24.108 belong to any element on earth. 1015 00:44:24.150 --> 00:44:26.928 Based on the first lab that looked at this, 1016 00:44:26.970 --> 00:44:29.688 we can say objectively with scientific certainty 1017 00:44:29.730 --> 00:44:32.793 that this wasn't created in our solar system. 1018 00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.278 We are literally villagers right now 1019 00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:41.343 trying to pick apart an iPhone in the 16th century. 1020 00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:44.298 So we know there's more stuff 1021 00:44:44.340 --> 00:44:45.948 going down at the lower levels. 1022 00:44:45.990 --> 00:44:49.128 Isotopic ratios, we aren't able to see it yet, 1023 00:44:49.170 --> 00:44:50.808 which is what we're hoping to change 1024 00:44:50.850 --> 00:44:52.518 with the help of Caltech. 1025 00:44:52.560 --> 00:44:55.338 And again, if we prove that the isotopes, 1026 00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:57.288 we verify those isotopes, 1027 00:44:57.330 --> 00:45:00.168 this will immediately become an international treasure, 1028 00:45:00.210 --> 00:45:01.833 a cultural artifact. 1029 00:45:13.051 --> 00:45:15.634 (upbeat music) 1030 00:45:39.377 --> 00:45:44.377 ♪ I play my music when the day gets dark ♪ 1031 00:45:48.816 --> 00:45:53.816 ♪ Drifting thru heaven's gate to outer space ♪ 1032 00:46:01.689 --> 00:46:06.689 ♪ Blistered by the bright blue sunshine ♪ 1033 00:46:10.696 --> 00:46:15.613 ♪ The most beautiful faces we hide inside ♪