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[people chattering]

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[person 1]
<i> You want to try one?</i>

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<i>What do you say?</i>
[person 2]<i> Let's do it. Yes.</i>

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[person 1]<i> Let's shoot.</i>
[person 2]<i> Yep. Shoot.</i>

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<i> John, shoot.</i>

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[crew continues chattering]

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[person 2]<i> Let's go.</i>

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<i> Roll Keanu back up.</i>
<i> Let's shoot.</i>

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[person 3]
<i> Okay, let's mount up.</i>

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[person 4]<i> Here we go.</i>

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[person 5]
<i> Keep the charge. Go time.</i>

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[person 2]
<i> All right. And let's roll.</i>

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[person 6]<i> Quiet, please.</i>

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[pistol clicks]

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[person 2] And let's roll.

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[person 7] Rolling.
Very quiet all around, please.

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[person 8] B.
[person 9] Victory 88 Charlie,
Take 1. A-mark.

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[person 10] Guys doing
the shell casing,
it will come this direction.

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What's a good eyeline here
to look at them?

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[person 10]
Let's see. That's good.

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[person 11]
Here to here to here?

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No, uh,
bring it around a little bit.

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[person 2] That's good.

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[person 3] That's better.
You like that?

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So, I'll start here.
Three, two, one,
and I'll just be like, "Fuck."

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[person 3] Stand by.
[person 7] Standing by.
Here we go.

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Yeah, let's see what comes.
But if we can get the pull
and--

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[person 3] Quiet, please.
All right, very good.

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And thank you.
Okay. Ready and action.

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[grunting]

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[groans]

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[grunting]

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[person 3] Good. Cut.
[person 7] Cut.

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[person 3] There you go.
[Reeves] You like that?

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[person 3]
A little bit of anger is good.

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[Reeves] When we say,
<i> "John Wick</i> is pain,"

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it's kind of like
a "Fuck yeah," you know?

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It's like a "Fuck yeah.
<i> Wick</i> is pain."

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It's like,
"It's so good, it hurts."

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Or, "It hurts so good."

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Um...

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And I think...

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I think that's why
the audiences like it, too.

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I think you can see it
on the screen,

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and there's a kind of B movie,
B-action genre to it,

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taken to, like,
a super high artsy level
in a way.

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But there is the joy
of people getting hit by cars

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and falling from impossible...
Like, "You can't survive that."

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And-- And then John Wick
kind of getting back up
or struggling.

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It's like an invitation,
you know?

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And it kind of
takes care of you,
and it feels authentic.

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I believe
that that's in the movies,

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and that when you watch them,
you're like,
"Yeah, this is like..."

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As John Wick says
in<i> John Wick,</i>

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"It's personal."

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[upbeat electronic music
playing]

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You know, I always looked at it
with, like, art envy,

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with, you know,
Scorsese and De Niro.

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You know, like, De Niro
had his director, you know?

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And so, when I think of that,
then that's what I think of.

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Like, with
the<i> John Wick</i> role, I had--
I had my director there.

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[Stahelski] This is 87eleven.

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I try to start my day here
every morning at 6:00 a.m.

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before I go into the office.

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[stunt performer grunts]

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[Stahelski] This is where all
the stunt performers
come to train.

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We've trained
for all the<i> John Wicks</i> here.

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It's also where I have to come
and try to keep
the joints working.

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Yeah,
a lot of miles on the body.

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The wear and tear
of not just stunt work,

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but of all the martial art
and the physicality
that I've done.

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I've broken my hands,
both ankles, both knees,
both hips, both shoulders,

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both elbows, both arms,
several concussions.

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But if you're passionate
about something,
pain's part of it.

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I don't think you can have
one without the other.

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It's really about choice.

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What you're willing to do
to achieve what
you want to achieve.

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Nice.

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Growing up,
my dad was very athletic.
Mom was very athletic.

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Everybody in the house
got up at 6:00.

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Before we went to school,
we did laps with Mom
in the pool,

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or we went for a jog,
we went for a run with the dogs
or something like that.

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They had that discipline
of get up,
go do something physical.

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It was already instilled in me
way back then.

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[Eusebio] I-I remember
Chad goes, "What are you doing?
You wanna train?"

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I go, "It's Christmas Eve."
And he's like,
"Christmas evening."

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"You can train in the morning."
Like that kind of shit.

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[Stahelski] I, for some reason,
never gravitated towards
team sports.

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I was a shy kid.

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But when I was probably
only like ten years old,

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I saw a Bruce Lee movie.
I'm like, "I wanna do that."

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So I started doing judo
when I was like ten or 11.

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That kind of
led to the martial art career

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that I started
when I was in California
to go to USC.

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In college, I had met a student
who was one of
the associate instructors

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at the Inosanto Academy
in Marina Del Rey.

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Dan Inosanto
trained with Bruce Lee,

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and he was one of the greatest
martial art instructors
of the time.

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The Inosanto Academy had
almost a collegiate setting.

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It wasn't one martial art.

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He'd bring in instructors
from all over the world.

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Amazing instructors.

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Literally, if I wasn't
going to school, I would
either jog the four miles

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or take the city bus
down to Marina Del Rey
from Downtown LA

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and take classes or spend
my weekends down there.

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I would sleep on
the floor or whatever.

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[Eusebio] Chad was probably
the best kickboxer
in that school.

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I used to watch this guy
just beat the crap out of
everybody.

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[grunts]

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I just remember,
if we were training kickboxing,

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he would try to come up
with the best training drills,

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the best kickboxing drills.

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Everything to just be
the best at what we were doing.

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That's always
been his thing.

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[grunting]

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My last year in college,
I had met a few stuntmen
through the Inosanto Academy,

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like Jeff Imada
and Brandon Lee.

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[grunts]

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Brandon was working on
his acting career,

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trying to, you know,
follow in his father's steps.

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Super motivated guy.

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Had the best laugh
on the planet. Really
talented martial art guy.

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[grunts]

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Every weekend,
we'd get together,

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and we'd do what we thought,
hopefully,
was martial art choreography,

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but it was a bunch of us
just trying to figure out
how to sell a punch

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and learn how to be stuntmen.

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We'd have our old,
big VHS camera, trying
to figure out the angles.

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[chuckles]
I still have some of the tapes.

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I go back and look at them
going, "How did we
not kill each other?"

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I remember Brandon
coming into the gym one night
before a workout,

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going, you know,
"I fucking got it."

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We're like, "What you get?"
and he's like, "Look,
they're gonna make<i> The Crow.</i>

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I got the job
being Eric Draven."

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It was really, really cool.
Like, we were so happy for him.

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It was a big deal.
Big deal for Brandon
to get that.

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And that's, um,
that's kind of how I got
my first big gig in Hollywood.

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I was still competing
at the time and getting ready
for a big bout in Japan,

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and Brandon had just gone off
to North Carolina
to Carolco Studios,

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where they were shooting
<i>The Crow.</i>

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And we got a call
saying there was an accident.

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We're like,
"He'll be fine. It's Brandon."

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You know,
we didn't think anything of it.

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And he died, I think,
14 hours later.

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And then the show shut down.
They were still
a couple weeks from finishing.

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Between Alex Proyas,
the director, the studio,
and Linda Lee, Brandon's mom,

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they decided
to finish the film.

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Jeff Imada had contacted me,
and he knew how close
we were to Brandon.

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He knew I was already doing
some stunt work at the time.

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And Brandon and I had
very similar body types.

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You don't know what to think.

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Selfishly, one part of me
is like, "Wow, this could be
really cool to finish, man."

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The other thing is like,
"What the fuck
are you talking about?"

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You're like,
"Your friend's dead."

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I-I can't recall
what my actual head
or mindset was at the time,

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but I decided to do the job.

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And Alex brought me down
to a little basement
in the studio there,

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and we watched for like
two days straight every
daily we could of Brandon.

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And he'd make me mimic walking,
talking, sitting,

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just every
mannerism Brandon had.

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And since I had known him
for a couple years,

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it was one of
the most surreal experiences
you'll ever go through.

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Your career starts
because of that.

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[Bernhardt]
Chad, when I first met him,

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had, like, this long,
beautiful hair down to here.

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Insane. It was incredible.

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He looked like Daniel Day-Lewis
in<i> The Last of the Mohicans.</i>

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We actually met
through a mutual friend
at one of the first UFC fights.

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Somebody was watching it
at home, and we all
met at somebody's house,

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and Chad and I just met,
and we started talking about
martial arts.

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Totally hit it off.

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And I said,
"Hey, I'm up to do
the sequel to<i> Bloodsport."</i>

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He was like,
"I love<i> Bloodsport.</i>
I'd love to be involved."

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So he came onboard.

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He became one of the fighters.
He did one of
the fights with me.

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And Chad actually
choreographed that fight.

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And at the time,
Chad was really into trapping.

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We did a lot of trapping.

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Chad used all my kicking.
I'm a Tae Kwon Do guy.

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And it turned out to be
my best fight in the movie.

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So when
<i>Bloodsport III</i> came around,

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I ask him, "Would you like
to be the fight coordinator?"

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So he came onboard.

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This time, it's my turn.

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And I actually think the fights
Chad did at the time
were incredible.

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Even if you watch it now,

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it's still a little bit
like, you know,
'90s, like... [grunting]

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But the techniques
are already great.

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Then I did a movie
called<i> Perfect Target.</i>

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It was a smaller movie.
We shot it in Mexico.

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So, Chad tells me,
"Hey, listen. I have this buddy

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who's gonna come
and visit and wanna hang out
and maybe do some stunts."

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I'm like, "Absolutely."

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And I meet David Leitch.

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[Leitch] I started training
at a martial arts school
in college

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called
the Minnesota Kali Group,

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and they were affiliated
with Dan Inosanto.

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Once I was exposed to
those martial arts

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and that sort of
martial art community,
I was, like, obsessed.

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And that's where I met
a lot of my friends
for the first time

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who are still my friends today.
And one of them was Chad.

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He was just saying one day
that he really wanted
to go into acting.

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And I was like, "Well, hey,
if you wanna be cast,
why don't you come out?

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We'll put you in the movie.
We'll teach you
how to be a stunt guy."

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You know, I was gonna go
to LA for holiday.

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And he's like, "Why don't you
just come to Mexico
and get on a movie set?"

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And I'm like, "Well, I'm not
gonna be working.
It's gonna be weird."

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And he's like, "Just come.
It'll be cool.
You'll get to see it."

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So, yeah, I took my money that
I was gonna spend on that trip,
and I flew to Mexico.

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It was an awesome experience.

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[Stahelski]
We just put him to work
as little background extras

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and then started
teaching him stunts.

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And then he looked like
one of the guys.

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So, "Hey, just double
this guy in this fight scene."

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He's like,
"What do I gotta do?"

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"Just snap your head
like this."

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I got to work one day on that.

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Brian Thompson throws me
through a wicker chair.

221
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I was so excited.
Couldn't wait.

222
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Just do it again.
Take 2. Take 3. Let's do it.

223
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But luckily it was
a low-budget movie, so they
could only afford one take,

224
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so one breakaway,
and I was done.

225
00:12:19,035 --> 00:12:21,038
[Stahelski]
Dave wasn't pretentious at all,

226
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so it wasn't about looking cool
like stunt guys
are trying to look cool.

227
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He would play any part.
He'd play the guy
that would cry.

228
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He'd play the homeless guy.
He'd play the cop.

229
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A lot of stunt guys
just wanted to do the stunt.

230
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They didn't want to act.

231
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Dave was like,
"I'll do the part."

232
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So, very quickly,
his career kind of took off.

233
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After that couple of years,
we ended up getting
a run on television.

234
00:12:39,991 --> 00:12:42,526
Chad was doubling
the lead on<i> The Pretender,</i>

235
00:12:42,695 --> 00:12:45,025
and I was doubling
a ton of different guys.

236
00:12:45,194 --> 00:12:46,897
There was another thing
that was happening too.

237
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Martial arts had started
to come to America
in terms of action.

238
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Shows like
<i> Buffy the Vampire Slayer</i>
or<i> Martial Law.</i>

239
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And the stunt world
at that time was very cowboy,

240
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car, motorcycle oriented.

241
00:13:04,108 --> 00:13:08,979
But now when you had
this really specific need
for martial arts stuntmen,

242
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we became hot commodities.

243
00:13:10,947 --> 00:13:14,419
And that's when Chad
got his break
on the first<i> Matrix.</i>

244
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[Stahelski] Oh, my God.
That was the first time
I met you.

245
00:13:19,695 --> 00:13:21,360
[Reeves]<i> The Matrix.</i>

246
00:13:21,562 --> 00:13:22,927
It's impossible to really talk
about any of the<i> John Wicks</i>

247
00:13:23,129 --> 00:13:24,468
without talking about<i> Matrix.</i>

248
00:13:24,637 --> 00:13:26,399
-Yeah.
-That's where we all met.

249
00:13:26,567 --> 00:13:28,998
I got this call saying
they were looking for
martial art doubles

250
00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,442
for Keanu for a sci-fi movie.

251
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A sci-fi movie!
It was a sci-fi movie.

252
00:13:33,904 --> 00:13:36,772
So I got the call,
and I literally
just went in for an audition,

253
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and that's where I met
Yuen Woo-Ping
and all the guys.

254
00:13:39,245 --> 00:13:41,081
Then they introduced me
to Tiger Chen.

255
00:13:41,250 --> 00:13:43,644
[Reeves] Two-time national
Chinese wushu champion.

256
00:13:43,813 --> 00:13:47,249
[Stahelski] Yeah. It was
pretty mind-blowing actually.

257
00:13:47,418 --> 00:13:49,853
This is Chen Hu.
Call him Tiger Chen.

258
00:13:50,055 --> 00:13:52,955
He was in charge of
training Keanu Reeves
for all the<i> Matrix</i> movies.

259
00:13:53,124 --> 00:13:54,730
He's also my coach.

260
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One of the best performers ever
in<i> wuxia.</i>

261
00:13:57,794 --> 00:14:00,795
So, when I got called
to do the audition in Burbank,

262
00:14:00,964 --> 00:14:05,005
all that was told to me
was it's a Keanu Reeves
sci-fi movie

263
00:14:05,174 --> 00:14:07,268
and they need some kung fu guy.
Sci-fi movie.

264
00:14:07,437 --> 00:14:08,843
I'm like, "You need kung fu?"

265
00:14:09,012 --> 00:14:10,972
He said, "Just go down there
and audition."

266
00:14:11,141 --> 00:14:15,813
I meet Woo-Ping, I meet
the Wachowskis, and they say,
"Okay, follow him."

267
00:14:15,982 --> 00:14:19,814
And he goes fucking
Wile E. Coyote and just
does the Tasmanian Devil thing.

268
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Some of the best
martial arts stuff
I've ever seen.

269
00:14:22,594 --> 00:14:25,522
And I'm like, "Follow him?"

270
00:14:25,691 --> 00:14:28,999
Every tumbling pass,
every kick, every form,
everything.

271
00:14:29,168 --> 00:14:31,702
I'm, like,
in jeans and a T-shirt,
dripping in sweat, going,

272
00:14:31,870 --> 00:14:33,697
"Well, this is
a different kind of audition."

273
00:14:33,866 --> 00:14:37,407
He was like jumping,
kicking, punching.
Woo-Ping says, "This is good.

274
00:14:37,609 --> 00:14:39,072
He looks like Keanu, too."

275
00:14:39,441 --> 00:14:43,304
From the very first day,
he's training all the time.

276
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Every day, even the weekend.

277
00:14:45,708 --> 00:14:47,080
Every weekend
he's just calling me.

278
00:14:47,282 --> 00:14:49,678
I was like, you know,
trying to go out and play,

279
00:14:49,847 --> 00:14:52,484
you know, go somewhere to play,
he was calling me, like--

280
00:14:52,653 --> 00:14:54,559
-No, please. Please.
-"Can we training?
Can we training?"

281
00:14:54,728 --> 00:14:56,591
[Stahelski]
Please don't go karaoke.

282
00:14:56,793 --> 00:14:58,390
I just didn't want to suck.

283
00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:00,594
'Cause I saw Keanu,
and how much
they had trained him,

284
00:15:00,796 --> 00:15:03,231
and he had like a six-month
head start, and he was already,
like, really good.

285
00:15:04,898 --> 00:15:07,495
I had to go through so much
training to learn, like,
the kung fu and stuff.

286
00:15:07,664 --> 00:15:10,438
Hong Kong style.
All the wild wirework.

287
00:15:10,641 --> 00:15:14,273
[Stahelski] And wirework
wasn't huge even in
mainstream stunts at the time,

288
00:15:14,476 --> 00:15:16,576
so I'm almost learning
from Keanu a lot of the times.

289
00:15:16,879 --> 00:15:19,816
He had already been doing
the choreography a couple
months at least, right?

290
00:15:19,885 --> 00:15:21,880
And some of your kung fu
was outstanding.

291
00:15:22,048 --> 00:15:23,546
Well, no. Movie kung fu.

292
00:15:23,715 --> 00:15:25,617
The movie kung fu was pretty--
[Reeves] Movie kung fu.

293
00:15:25,820 --> 00:15:27,449
[Stahelski] You'd already got
the forms right,
everything looks good.

294
00:15:27,651 --> 00:15:28,923
You had the flexibility going.
[Reeves] Yeah.

295
00:15:29,092 --> 00:15:30,962
Oh, yeah.
There you are helping me out.

296
00:15:32,194 --> 00:15:34,262
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah. Fucking awesome.

297
00:15:35,194 --> 00:15:36,693
That's Chad into the wall.

298
00:15:37,394 --> 00:15:39,300
That's Chad into the wall.

299
00:15:40,067 --> 00:15:41,863
That's Chad into the ceiling.

300
00:15:42,065 --> 00:15:45,134
Oh, yeah.
Then he's gonna break his knee
coming down from that.

301
00:15:45,269 --> 00:15:47,071
That's right. Yeah.

302
00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,276
[Reeves]
There he is on crutches.

303
00:15:49,445 --> 00:15:51,310
[Stahelski] Before and afters.
[Reeves] Before and after.

304
00:15:51,512 --> 00:15:54,315
Yeah. We learned
so much on that show.
Oh, my God.

305
00:15:55,415 --> 00:15:56,952
[Leitch] Chad came back
from<i> The Matrix,</i>

306
00:15:57,188 --> 00:15:59,284
and he was like,
"Here's what's happening, guys.

307
00:15:59,420 --> 00:16:01,759
Like, they shoot
and edit their own stuff.

308
00:16:01,928 --> 00:16:04,062
They choreograph,
and they cut it all together.

309
00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:07,456
And they're telling
their own stories
in their own sequences."

310
00:16:07,625 --> 00:16:09,164
And they're like,
"We gotta do this.

311
00:16:09,366 --> 00:16:11,061
This is the way we should
be approaching all this stuff."

312
00:16:11,230 --> 00:16:12,567
[crew member] And action.

313
00:16:12,736 --> 00:16:15,897
[stuntmen grunting]

314
00:16:19,372 --> 00:16:20,943
[Leitch]
We started to do it ourselves,

315
00:16:21,379 --> 00:16:23,144
and we would get
all the martial art
stunt guys together,

316
00:16:23,213 --> 00:16:25,280
and we would choreograph
and edit fight scenes

317
00:16:26,547 --> 00:16:29,018
as an exercise,
but also because
we just loved it.

318
00:16:29,220 --> 00:16:31,754
[Perry] We would go and take
a scene from Jackie Chan,

319
00:16:31,923 --> 00:16:33,351
and we would
recreate that scene.

320
00:16:33,553 --> 00:16:35,317
And it became very apparent
that Chad and Dave

321
00:16:35,485 --> 00:16:36,660
were thinking like directors.

322
00:16:36,895 --> 00:16:38,157
Like, why did
the camera go there?

323
00:16:38,393 --> 00:16:40,964
Why did we use this lens?
How many shots?

324
00:16:41,067 --> 00:16:42,925
How many moves do we hold here
before we move here?

325
00:16:43,127 --> 00:16:46,100
Previs was a game changer.
Now directors saw
what we can do.

326
00:16:46,235 --> 00:16:47,696
[Stahelski]
Soon we became known for that.

327
00:16:47,899 --> 00:16:50,170
People would request them.
Directors would request them.

328
00:16:50,339 --> 00:16:52,136
Somewhere along the way,
we started a stunt team.

329
00:16:52,305 --> 00:16:53,539
Then we started
a stunt company.

330
00:16:55,607 --> 00:16:58,476
-[barking]
-They don't like that camera.

331
00:16:58,645 --> 00:17:02,218
[cameraperson]
They don't like it?
No. I can tell.

332
00:17:04,182 --> 00:17:06,723
[Moneymaker] The idea behind
87eleven was that
it was a one-stop shop.

333
00:17:06,926 --> 00:17:09,490
They were
an action design company.

334
00:17:09,659 --> 00:17:12,230
You come here
and you get a fight team,
a fight coordinator,

335
00:17:12,432 --> 00:17:16,067
stunt coordinator,
second unit director,
the whole package in one.

336
00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,495
Whoo!

337
00:17:18,664 --> 00:17:19,901
[Moneymaker] We were all
kind of with this team,

338
00:17:20,170 --> 00:17:21,505
we worked together,
we trained together.

339
00:17:21,607 --> 00:17:23,199
Chad and I got married.

340
00:17:23,368 --> 00:17:25,341
So it was a very fun time.

341
00:17:25,509 --> 00:17:27,571
Cheers.

342
00:17:27,773 --> 00:17:29,838
I'll talk to you in a bit. Bye.
See you later. Bye.

343
00:17:29,940 --> 00:17:31,508
[Hernandez] Even if
we didn't have a project,

344
00:17:31,944 --> 00:17:33,874
Chad would just
make us do drills
like we had a project.

345
00:17:33,943 --> 00:17:36,243
Put us in situations like,
"Choreograph this.

346
00:17:36,446 --> 00:17:39,313
You guys gotta learn
this martial art.
Let's do this. Let's spar.

347
00:17:39,482 --> 00:17:41,551
Let's put a knife in hand.
Let's see what happens
when we do this."

348
00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,225
[Stahelski] Our company
started to get bigger,

349
00:17:43,394 --> 00:17:45,894
and I was the one that was more
of a coordinator first,

350
00:17:46,063 --> 00:17:48,057
so Dave was working
for me a lot.

351
00:17:48,226 --> 00:17:51,600
Dave and Chad. Okay,
let's step out and narrate this
for a second, okay?

352
00:17:51,802 --> 00:17:53,100
[Stahelski] All right...

353
00:17:53,302 --> 00:17:55,730
Two partners.
Two best friends. Here we go.

354
00:17:55,899 --> 00:17:58,700
Aw, see, there's the hug.
Aw. [chuckles]

355
00:17:58,869 --> 00:18:00,538
They were best friends,
thick as thieves.

356
00:18:00,974 --> 00:18:03,411
You know,
always training together,
always working together.

357
00:18:04,548 --> 00:18:06,684
But then we were
very fortunate,
we had a lot of work offers,

358
00:18:06,786 --> 00:18:08,481
so Dave started
doing his thing.

359
00:18:08,883 --> 00:18:11,153
And he became
a stunt coordinator
and a choreographer as well.

360
00:18:11,222 --> 00:18:14,224
[Leitch] Switch your lead
to the right lead.

361
00:18:14,393 --> 00:18:18,459
[Renae] By that time,
they were like
this old married couple

362
00:18:18,661 --> 00:18:22,458
that bickered and fought,
but also, like,
tight as can be.

363
00:18:22,660 --> 00:18:24,859
We used to call them
Dad and Uncle Dad.

364
00:18:25,062 --> 00:18:27,737
[Leitch] Before<i> John Wick,</i>
Chad and I had directed

365
00:18:27,905 --> 00:18:29,202
a lot of second unit together.

366
00:18:29,538 --> 00:18:31,535
And then our company
was getting so many calls

367
00:18:31,604 --> 00:18:33,243
that we started
to work separately.

368
00:18:33,411 --> 00:18:36,214
I was doing big second units.
He was doing big second units.

369
00:18:36,382 --> 00:18:37,972
Action.

370
00:18:38,174 --> 00:18:40,115
We were seeing each other
every day
and talking every day.

371
00:18:40,284 --> 00:18:42,309
We'd riff different ideas
for choreography.

372
00:18:42,512 --> 00:18:45,412
He'd be on, like,<i> TRON</i>
and be like, "Hey, how
do I do laser disc things?"

373
00:18:45,581 --> 00:18:48,786
And I'd be like, "There's
some ideas," and bounce things
off of each other.

374
00:18:52,697 --> 00:18:55,625
[Leitch] You start to realize,
"I'm telling one third
of the story.

375
00:18:55,794 --> 00:18:58,127
I might as well tell
the whole story." [chuckles]

376
00:18:58,296 --> 00:19:00,263
[Stahelski]
Dave was already going down
the first unit director

377
00:19:00,332 --> 00:19:02,140
before I was actually.

378
00:19:02,575 --> 00:19:04,841
I was still, you know,
pretty content doing
all the second unit stuff.

379
00:19:04,909 --> 00:19:06,871
I was really getting the itch,

380
00:19:07,273 --> 00:19:11,011
and I was, like, out there
looking to find scripts
and get them developed,

381
00:19:11,079 --> 00:19:13,448
but to not much success.

382
00:19:14,449 --> 00:19:16,580
They were offered movies
left and right,

383
00:19:16,749 --> 00:19:19,416
but they were all like
the $5 million specials,

384
00:19:19,585 --> 00:19:20,958
and they
turned everything down.

385
00:19:21,127 --> 00:19:23,524
They were waiting
for the right, right project.

386
00:19:26,961 --> 00:19:28,661
At the time,

387
00:19:28,830 --> 00:19:32,797
I had finally optioned
my first screenplay
to Voltage Pictures.

388
00:19:32,966 --> 00:19:36,270
It was 1,500 bucks which,
at the time,
was two months' rent.

389
00:19:36,439 --> 00:19:38,309
And I was trying to figure out
what to do next.

390
00:19:38,478 --> 00:19:41,110
I remember just kind of going,
"I haven't done
a revenge movie."

391
00:19:41,278 --> 00:19:42,670
And our neighbors
were heading out of town,

392
00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:44,774
and they had
just adopted a chorgi,

393
00:19:44,943 --> 00:19:47,615
which is a Chihuahua-corgi,
puppy named Moose.

394
00:19:47,784 --> 00:19:53,450
And I always write
slouched in my chair
with a pillow across my chest,

395
00:19:53,619 --> 00:19:56,227
and the puppy
slept on the pillow.

396
00:19:57,261 --> 00:19:59,296
And I started writing,
and I'd be like,

397
00:19:59,464 --> 00:20:03,060
"Man, what if someone
killed this fucking puppy?"
[laughs]

398
00:20:03,262 --> 00:20:06,802
We had met Derek
on a general meeting.
I'd read another script of his.

399
00:20:07,004 --> 00:20:10,901
And he pitched this. He's like,
"I have this action script
I wrote called<i> Scorn."</i>

400
00:20:11,103 --> 00:20:14,811
I remember vividly
reading it that weekend
and emailing Basil.

401
00:20:14,979 --> 00:20:17,871
I still have the email,
and it was like, "There's
something about this script.

402
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,243
I think it's 'cause
I love dogs.

403
00:20:19,445 --> 00:20:20,576
The villain's really thin,

404
00:20:20,878 --> 00:20:22,646
and it's not perfect
by any means,

405
00:20:22,714 --> 00:20:24,413
but I think
we should go for it."

406
00:20:24,615 --> 00:20:26,747
And he wrote back, "I agree."

407
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:29,159
There was just a clean,
crazy hook.

408
00:20:29,328 --> 00:20:32,357
"You killed my dog,
and now I will exact revenge."

409
00:20:32,526 --> 00:20:34,726
I wrote it
with Paul Newman in mind.

410
00:20:34,895 --> 00:20:37,829
So, he was in his early 70s.
It was a Robert De Niro type.

411
00:20:37,997 --> 00:20:40,329
His wife dies,
he gets the dog,
and the car is stolen,

412
00:20:40,498 --> 00:20:42,030
and he kicks some ass.

413
00:20:42,199 --> 00:20:46,374
The dog was the last tenuous
connection he had to his wife.

414
00:20:46,543 --> 00:20:50,739
But the body count was,
you know, less than two dozen.

415
00:20:50,874 --> 00:20:52,679
[Iwanyk]
But I realized soon afterwards

416
00:20:53,048 --> 00:20:56,181
that I may have
backed myself into a corner
because of the age.

417
00:20:56,249 --> 00:20:58,880
And so then I was thinking,
"Okay, do you go with
slightly younger?

418
00:20:59,048 --> 00:21:00,882
You know,
what's that age underneath it?"

419
00:21:00,984 --> 00:21:03,020
Then we started
thinking about Keanu.

420
00:21:03,455 --> 00:21:06,662
Keanu's agent is Basil's
best friend from childhood
and my first boss.

421
00:21:06,731 --> 00:21:10,292
And he was like, you know,
"Keanu is looking
for something."

422
00:21:10,495 --> 00:21:16,063
[Iwanyk] He just did<i> 47 Ronin</i>
and was just finished shooting
<i>Man of Tai Chi.</i>

423
00:21:16,232 --> 00:21:19,772
He's ready to lean
into his movie star-ness.

424
00:21:19,941 --> 00:21:22,205
'Cause the thing about Keanu,
and a lot of actors like this,

425
00:21:22,374 --> 00:21:25,275
but especially Keanu,
when he feels like
he's repeating himself,

426
00:21:25,444 --> 00:21:27,214
he runs the other way.

427
00:21:27,383 --> 00:21:29,585
And sometimes
you have to get an actor

428
00:21:29,754 --> 00:21:33,422
when he or she is ready
to give the audience
what they want.

429
00:21:33,591 --> 00:21:36,093
And Keanu was at a moment
in time where he's like,

430
00:21:36,262 --> 00:21:38,585
"I'm ready to be
an action star again."

431
00:21:38,754 --> 00:21:42,894
And so we met, and soon
afterwards, he attached
himself to the project.

432
00:21:45,304 --> 00:21:47,829
We took about six months
of developing the script

433
00:21:48,031 --> 00:21:50,471
with Keanu's notes
with Derek Kolstad.

434
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,637
We spent a lot of time together
on that first one,

435
00:21:52,806 --> 00:21:56,273
and it was slow going,
like page, line by line.

436
00:21:56,442 --> 00:21:59,913
He spent just as much time
on other people's dialogue
as he did on himself.

437
00:22:00,082 --> 00:22:04,250
At a certain point,
it was like, "Okay,
how much longer could this go?"

438
00:22:04,385 --> 00:22:06,480
We could develop this forever.

439
00:22:06,882 --> 00:22:08,855
And then, always-- there's
always an inflection point
on these movies, right,

440
00:22:08,924 --> 00:22:11,489
in development, when you
develop with an actor,
where you go,

441
00:22:11,658 --> 00:22:13,531
"Okay,
can we bring a director on?"

442
00:22:13,733 --> 00:22:16,426
And he said yes.

443
00:22:16,594 --> 00:22:20,127
But in the period of our
development, couple things
happened, unfortunately.

444
00:22:20,329 --> 00:22:22,732
<i> 47 Ronin</i> came out,
and it didn't do well.

445
00:22:22,934 --> 00:22:25,773
<i> Man of Tai Chi</i> came out
and disappointed.

446
00:22:25,942 --> 00:22:30,504
So the narrative that
Keanu Reeves is an action star
just evaporated.

447
00:22:30,673 --> 00:22:33,982
And all of a sudden,
our director list
went from here to like here.

448
00:22:34,151 --> 00:22:38,551
We're gonna have to really
work hard to find
a proper director for this.

449
00:22:38,754 --> 00:22:40,788
Keanu was like, "Listen,
I'm gonna give the movie

450
00:22:40,957 --> 00:22:43,988
to Chad and Dave
for second unit.
They're action directors.

451
00:22:44,655 --> 00:22:46,562
What if they directed?"

452
00:22:46,764 --> 00:22:51,835
So, from my notes
from an email,
in the forensics of<i> John Wick,</i>

453
00:22:51,937 --> 00:22:53,534
you met with Basil.

454
00:22:53,969 --> 00:22:56,939
I wanted you and Dave
pitched to them
to be the directors

455
00:22:57,008 --> 00:23:00,309
on April 29th, 2013.

456
00:23:00,478 --> 00:23:02,406
A week before,
you had sent me the script.

457
00:23:02,608 --> 00:23:03,872
Yeah.
And we had talked.

458
00:23:04,141 --> 00:23:05,644
And we had talked.
Well, you had sent it to me

459
00:23:05,712 --> 00:23:08,319
for the action.
For the action. Yeah.

460
00:23:08,488 --> 00:23:10,484
I was like, "Yeah"--
Well, no,
I had called for action,

461
00:23:10,653 --> 00:23:13,354
but then I think you
came back to me saying,

462
00:23:13,523 --> 00:23:15,758
"Dave and I
would like to direct it."

463
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,259
Oh, no.
I think you smiled and went,
"Yeah, that's why you're..."

464
00:23:18,461 --> 00:23:20,495
Yeah. And so,
then I was like, Basil--

465
00:23:20,664 --> 00:23:23,700
You were manipulating us.
[laughs]
I was... [mumbles]

466
00:23:23,869 --> 00:23:25,101
But I was hoping.

467
00:23:25,470 --> 00:23:28,636
And then I saw
from Basil's email to me,

468
00:23:28,705 --> 00:23:32,770
he wrote, "Best
directors meeting he's had."

469
00:23:32,972 --> 00:23:35,537
We put together
this incredible lookbook here,

470
00:23:35,739 --> 00:23:41,111
and we started to sort of
build the worlds of<i> John Wick</i>
in the way we saw it.

471
00:23:41,313 --> 00:23:45,579
It was a lot more stylized than
I think anyone saw on the page.

472
00:23:45,748 --> 00:23:48,715
Peace. He's looking for peace.
[chuckles]
Look at that shot of Keanu.

473
00:23:48,884 --> 00:23:50,620
Emotional connection.

474
00:23:50,823 --> 00:23:52,592
See, we said
all the right things.

475
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,463
We talked about it
being a modern fable.

476
00:23:54,665 --> 00:23:57,264
We talked about this sort
of visual minimalism.

477
00:23:57,433 --> 00:23:59,930
She knew
he needed an attachment.

478
00:24:00,099 --> 00:24:03,738
Yep. And that was a whole week
of casting for Daisy.

479
00:24:03,907 --> 00:24:06,567
[Leitch] We wanted
to have a world of,
like, fun cars.

480
00:24:06,736 --> 00:24:11,779
We wanted to have sort of
our exploration of action
and gun fu.

481
00:24:11,947 --> 00:24:14,778
Yeah, and again, sort of
the love letter
to graphic novels

482
00:24:14,947 --> 00:24:17,077
and anime
and all of that that we love.

483
00:24:17,246 --> 00:24:20,818
Transformation.
Guns, lots of guns.

484
00:24:21,021 --> 00:24:25,162
Boogeyman. World.
New York City. The Continental.

485
00:24:25,364 --> 00:24:26,360
They just
didn't talk about the action.

486
00:24:26,428 --> 00:24:27,957
They talked about the emotion

487
00:24:28,393 --> 00:24:30,362
about what the world
looked like
and about everything.

488
00:24:30,430 --> 00:24:32,027
I was blown away.

489
00:24:32,430 --> 00:24:35,499
This is--
It's a pretty damn good
lookbook. [laughs]

490
00:24:35,567 --> 00:24:38,975
You have to remember,
we saw<i> John Wick</i> as like
this tiny little thing.

491
00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:41,769
Two stunt guys directing,
like, "No one's ever gonna see
this thing, so fuck it.

492
00:24:41,937 --> 00:24:45,610
We'll just try some
weird ideas. We'll use it
like as a training exercise."

493
00:24:45,779 --> 00:24:49,113
And, you know,
then they said yes.

494
00:24:49,281 --> 00:24:51,854
And now we're like,
"We better know
what we're doing."

495
00:24:52,056 --> 00:24:55,257
I remember thinking,
"Oh, my God, we got
these two great action guys

496
00:24:55,426 --> 00:24:57,191
before anyone else
can get them.

497
00:24:57,259 --> 00:24:58,956
What a home run."

498
00:24:59,425 --> 00:25:01,555
And I'll never forget,
like three weeks
after we hire them,

499
00:25:01,624 --> 00:25:04,299
Ed Pressman,
the famous Ed Pressman
who's since passed away,

500
00:25:04,468 --> 00:25:06,627
calls me
about something else.

501
00:25:06,796 --> 00:25:10,003
And he goes,
"You stole my directors."
I'm like, "What do you mean?"

502
00:25:10,172 --> 00:25:13,141
"Yeah, we're about to go
into prep on a movie
that I was producing.

503
00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:14,505
They were gonna direct it."

504
00:25:14,674 --> 00:25:15,737
I'm like, "What movie?"

505
00:25:15,806 --> 00:25:17,413
And they're like...

506
00:25:17,915 --> 00:25:20,514
It was a movie
like<i> Midnight Run</i>
with Jean-Claude Van Damme

507
00:25:20,583 --> 00:25:22,611
and PSY
from "Gangnam Style."

508
00:25:22,780 --> 00:25:25,787
And I'm like,
"Those are the directors I got?
That was the other option?"

509
00:25:28,423 --> 00:25:32,022
[Kelley] Uh, the shorter
the beard is, the harder it is
to make it look real.

510
00:25:32,191 --> 00:25:33,787
[Leitch] Well, we would want it
to be a bushy one.

511
00:25:33,956 --> 00:25:35,232
Okay. Right, right.

512
00:25:35,434 --> 00:25:38,995
I mean, we have to make
some hard choices.

513
00:25:39,164 --> 00:25:41,895
I mean,
I was just like pulling,
like what is--

514
00:25:42,097 --> 00:25:44,339
I didn't know what exactly.

515
00:25:44,508 --> 00:25:46,803
Are they more
in this happiness?

516
00:25:46,972 --> 00:25:48,475
Yes, this is
more in their happiness.

517
00:25:48,644 --> 00:25:49,840
We're hoping for that.
Okay, okay.

518
00:25:50,009 --> 00:25:51,647
And of course,
what I worry about this is,

519
00:25:51,816 --> 00:25:54,877
you can see it on this side,
is how patchy that beard is.

520
00:25:55,046 --> 00:25:56,686
I mean,
that doesn't bother me.

521
00:25:56,855 --> 00:25:58,716
If you guys can live with that,
because if we get that short,

522
00:25:58,885 --> 00:26:00,314
I can't add hairs
to fill that in.

523
00:26:00,483 --> 00:26:01,919
[Smith] That doesn't bother me.
This bothers me.

524
00:26:02,288 --> 00:26:03,624
[Stahelski] Anything we do
is gonna get a picture taken

525
00:26:03,693 --> 00:26:05,220
and sent to people
making a decision.

526
00:26:05,389 --> 00:26:06,361
[Leitch] They'll approve
and we'll figure it out.

527
00:26:06,530 --> 00:26:07,992
[Stahelski]
We want the beard.

528
00:26:08,161 --> 00:26:09,863
[Leitch] The distributor
wants him not to have a beard.

529
00:26:10,132 --> 00:26:12,999
Like he's supposed to be
the Keanu Reeves
of<i> The Matrix.</i>

530
00:26:13,068 --> 00:26:15,701
And we're afraid
to shave it off because,
you know,

531
00:26:15,870 --> 00:26:19,040
he's done that look
a million times.

532
00:26:19,209 --> 00:26:22,279
Unfortunately,
they're distributing the movie
and have sold it foreign,

533
00:26:22,481 --> 00:26:24,745
and they know
what their people want, so...

534
00:26:24,914 --> 00:26:27,444
I guess nobody cares
what we want.
Asia hates beards.

535
00:26:27,646 --> 00:26:29,278
[person] I know.

536
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,916
[Stahelski] Asia hates--
[Leitch]
That's what they said.

537
00:26:31,085 --> 00:26:32,253
If we leave a beard,
no one's gonna see the movie.

538
00:26:32,422 --> 00:26:33,754
The movie's gonna flop.

539
00:26:33,923 --> 00:26:35,926
[Stahelski] Can't be
a first-time director--

540
00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:39,091
"First-time directors,
you want to hang it out there
and have a beard? Okay."

541
00:26:41,199 --> 00:26:42,963
Bye-bye, John Wick.

542
00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:46,263
Partial bye-bye.
We're not going bye-bye
all the way yet.

543
00:26:46,432 --> 00:26:48,639
[Stahelski] Yeah, no.
It's like,
"Hello, new John Wick."

544
00:26:54,909 --> 00:26:57,571
[Kelley] So,
this is the next guard down.

545
00:26:58,549 --> 00:27:00,576
[Stahelski]
Still looks like a beard.

546
00:27:00,778 --> 00:27:02,750
That's what
I'm concerned about too,
and what they're gonna think.

547
00:27:02,886 --> 00:27:06,051
Looks just like a beard.
[chuckles]
[Reeves laughs]

548
00:27:06,220 --> 00:27:08,483
[Leitch] Go to the next level?
Gotta go to the next level.

549
00:27:09,226 --> 00:27:10,620
Go one more down?

550
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:12,157
Well, that's beard.

551
00:27:14,095 --> 00:27:15,794
[Smith] We're all just like,
holding on.
I know.

552
00:27:15,963 --> 00:27:19,003
They were pretty
straightforward about...

553
00:27:19,205 --> 00:27:20,299
[Kelley] No beard.
Yeah.

554
00:27:20,468 --> 00:27:21,433
[Kelley] Yeah.

555
00:27:21,602 --> 00:27:24,499
[tense music playing]

556
00:27:31,542 --> 00:27:33,248
[Stahelski] We're going to get
action out of the hair.

557
00:27:33,417 --> 00:27:35,015
Gotta get it a little bushy.

558
00:27:36,615 --> 00:27:37,655
A little...

559
00:27:41,421 --> 00:27:42,583
Okay.

560
00:27:46,958 --> 00:27:48,358
Chuck it! Chuck it! Chuck it!

561
00:27:52,161 --> 00:27:53,862
The suit
definitely helps.

562
00:27:54,064 --> 00:27:55,497
It's all about the suit.

563
00:27:56,935 --> 00:27:58,467
It's all about the suit.

564
00:28:04,574 --> 00:28:06,183
[cameraperson]
Tomorrow will be
the first day, right?

565
00:28:06,352 --> 00:28:07,814
Tomorrow will be the first day.

566
00:28:07,983 --> 00:28:09,817
Tomorrow will be
the first day of photography.

567
00:28:09,986 --> 00:28:13,216
[Leitch] We are looking at
the John Wick house,

568
00:28:13,418 --> 00:28:16,460
and it's sort of three-quarters
of the way dressed.

569
00:28:16,628 --> 00:28:19,154
And we're gonna block
some scenes here

570
00:28:19,323 --> 00:28:22,165
and be ready
to shoot tomorrow, hopefully.

571
00:28:22,334 --> 00:28:23,558
We're getting on with it.

572
00:28:28,167 --> 00:28:30,466
[laughs]
[cameraperson]
What does it say?

573
00:28:31,334 --> 00:28:33,040
[Leitch]
We're shooting on Monday?

574
00:28:33,706 --> 00:28:34,637
[phone ringing]

575
00:28:34,806 --> 00:28:36,307
Oh. Peter Lawson.

576
00:28:39,842 --> 00:28:40,883
Pete.

577
00:28:43,049 --> 00:28:44,722
I'm great.
I just got the email.

578
00:28:46,286 --> 00:28:49,753
We are temporarily shut down
until further notice.

579
00:28:49,955 --> 00:28:52,519
It seems our equity investor

580
00:28:52,688 --> 00:28:56,761
who had to come up with
the 6.5 to cover the gap,

581
00:28:56,963 --> 00:29:00,100
um, he's five and a half short.

582
00:29:02,334 --> 00:29:06,103
We had some financiers
coming in to gap finance

583
00:29:06,305 --> 00:29:09,375
because Lionsgate
presold the international,

584
00:29:09,544 --> 00:29:12,539
but there was still a delta
of what we needed
to make the movie.

585
00:29:12,708 --> 00:29:15,618
No one was ready to get onboard
for the domestic.

586
00:29:15,820 --> 00:29:17,854
So it was really
something that, you know,

587
00:29:18,023 --> 00:29:19,922
we were gonna
have to figure out
how to find the money.

588
00:29:21,221 --> 00:29:23,256
I mean, maybe if
we get Lionsgate onboard,

589
00:29:23,425 --> 00:29:27,022
and they take the domestic,
and we could
keep moving forward,

590
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:29,395
but I doubt it at this point.

591
00:29:29,564 --> 00:29:31,634
I think everyone's
just gonna have to take
a kick in the nuts,

592
00:29:31,836 --> 00:29:33,936
and it's all probably
gonna fall apart.

593
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:36,398
That's what I think.

594
00:29:36,567 --> 00:29:42,272
I think this is, uh,
the nail in the coffin. So...

595
00:29:42,441 --> 00:29:44,947
[cameraperson]
You think so, really?
Yeah, I do.

596
00:29:45,115 --> 00:29:47,309
[cameraperson stammers]
Wait, hold on.
No, I mean, I do.

597
00:29:47,511 --> 00:29:49,650
I'm not trying
to be dramatic for, you know,

598
00:29:49,852 --> 00:29:51,912
editorial reasons
for our documentary,

599
00:29:52,081 --> 00:29:56,420
but I don't know how you find
six-and-a-half million dollars
by Monday.

600
00:30:02,291 --> 00:30:05,669
[Stahelski] What little
I know of Basil, I know
he's not a quitter, so...

601
00:30:05,871 --> 00:30:08,267
He's a bit of a fighter,
so we're not dead yet.

602
00:30:09,765 --> 00:30:13,008
We are doomed. I mean,
we are completely fucked.

603
00:30:14,610 --> 00:30:17,412
We just had a gigantic hole.
There was just...
The money wasn't coming.

604
00:30:17,581 --> 00:30:22,142
And I spoke to my lawyer
and I'm like, "Well, say,
if this movie falls apart,

605
00:30:22,244 --> 00:30:23,719
who's gonna sue me?"

606
00:30:24,055 --> 00:30:28,116
And he's like, "IATSE, SAG,
the WGA, DGA." This...

607
00:30:28,185 --> 00:30:29,924
It was, like, horrendous.

608
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,093
And he's like, "Listen,
you gotta just
get this movie made."

609
00:30:32,162 --> 00:30:33,693
[cameraperson]
Say if I was to give you
like six million--

610
00:30:33,895 --> 00:30:35,358
Hey, hon?
Can I call you back?

611
00:30:35,561 --> 00:30:38,000
I got Keanu on the other line,
so I need to talk to him.

612
00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:40,527
Thanks, hon. Bye.

613
00:30:40,730 --> 00:30:43,764
[Leitch] Hang on one second.
He's on the phone.

614
00:30:44,340 --> 00:30:45,502
Hello.

615
00:30:48,746 --> 00:30:50,309
What's going on?
How you doing?

616
00:30:53,278 --> 00:30:55,677
Nice.
Did Basil give you a call?

617
00:30:58,916 --> 00:31:01,859
He did not, huh?
You haven't talked
to anybody in the office?

618
00:31:04,094 --> 00:31:06,897
Excellent. They're
probably stalling on him.

619
00:31:09,768 --> 00:31:11,825
It's... Yeah, I...
[Leitch] Fucking...

620
00:31:12,294 --> 00:31:15,729
[Stahelski] I'm a little
annoyed, so I think
I'll just tell you myself.

621
00:31:15,798 --> 00:31:17,669
They've had a problem
with their gap finance.

622
00:31:17,838 --> 00:31:19,535
They're coming in.

623
00:31:19,804 --> 00:31:22,176
We've recalled everybody,
and they've pushed us again.

624
00:31:24,116 --> 00:31:26,306
I'm sure they're scrambling
trying to figure something out.

625
00:31:26,474 --> 00:31:28,581
We have a few options around.

626
00:31:28,816 --> 00:31:32,078
Luckily, we know a few people,
so we'll try and close the gap
as fast as we can.

627
00:31:32,214 --> 00:31:37,090
So we'll get back
to the office probably
in the next 45 minutes,

628
00:31:37,292 --> 00:31:40,194
storm into the office
and try to retake the beach.

629
00:31:42,731 --> 00:31:43,825
What did Keanu say?

630
00:31:43,994 --> 00:31:45,034
[chuckles]

631
00:31:46,167 --> 00:31:49,498
You know,
Keanu is a little different.

632
00:31:49,667 --> 00:31:51,700
When he yells and screams,
it's a good thing.

633
00:31:53,978 --> 00:31:55,873
When he gets really,
really, really quiet...

634
00:31:56,042 --> 00:31:57,614
Was he getting really quiet?

635
00:31:57,816 --> 00:32:00,874
He was the most quiet
I've ever heard him.

636
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,458
I reckon we'll lose about
20% of the crew.

637
00:32:14,566 --> 00:32:16,633
There's already people gone.

638
00:32:16,835 --> 00:32:18,534
[Iwanyk] A big part
of the production office

639
00:32:18,703 --> 00:32:20,133
just stopped coming in to work.

640
00:32:20,335 --> 00:32:22,101
But then another part of
the production office came in,

641
00:32:22,270 --> 00:32:23,740
and they would come
in my office, and like,

642
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:26,200
"Do you feel confident
the money will come?"

643
00:32:26,368 --> 00:32:28,239
And I'm like, "I do."

644
00:32:28,408 --> 00:32:34,248
Uh, now, I was lying
because I had no idea.

645
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:37,877
So much so, I had to give
my credit card
to the costume designer

646
00:32:38,046 --> 00:32:42,092
to buy wardrobe, and it was
really, really, really dodgy.

647
00:32:42,261 --> 00:32:47,827
Any chance of reducing
the budget by
six-and-a-half million dollars

648
00:32:47,896 --> 00:32:49,126
and making the movie happen?

649
00:32:49,462 --> 00:32:51,333
That script would
look radically different,

650
00:32:51,468 --> 00:32:54,403
and then you'd have to go back
to all of your
international buyers

651
00:32:54,572 --> 00:33:00,733
and go, "Hey, you paid us,
you know, 250,000
for the rights in Germany,

652
00:33:00,902 --> 00:33:02,836
but this is the script
you're getting now."

653
00:33:03,038 --> 00:33:05,981
And then everyone can go,
"I don't want that script.

654
00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:07,950
-I wanted the one
that I bought."
-Right.

655
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:10,077
And so, you kind of
have to keep the integrity.

656
00:33:10,246 --> 00:33:11,816
You can change it.

657
00:33:11,985 --> 00:33:13,688
Slightly, but not--

658
00:33:13,891 --> 00:33:16,026
[Leitch] Yeah.
Six million dollars.

659
00:33:19,956 --> 00:33:22,662
[Leitch] Keanu gave back money,
Chad and I gave back money.

660
00:33:22,831 --> 00:33:26,366
Like, we all gave back money
of our salaries
to try and close the gap.

661
00:33:27,566 --> 00:33:29,629
I think Keanu had to defer
and write a check...

662
00:33:29,798 --> 00:33:31,336
[Reeves] Yeah.
Some of that going on.

663
00:33:31,505 --> 00:33:33,274
[Stahelski] ...just to keep
our department heads.

664
00:33:34,308 --> 00:33:35,868
[Iwanyk] I remember
I would walk to my hotel

665
00:33:36,071 --> 00:33:39,479
from the production office
for hours because I was like,

666
00:33:39,648 --> 00:33:43,385
"I need to get so tired so
when I get back to the hotel,
I pass out."

667
00:33:43,587 --> 00:33:45,989
Because if I don't,
I'm gonna sit there
and I'm gonna be like,

668
00:33:46,158 --> 00:33:48,018
"I'm fucked, I'm fucked,
I'm fucked, I'm fucked."

669
00:33:48,186 --> 00:33:49,484
We gotta fucking start.

670
00:33:49,686 --> 00:33:51,855
If we don't have
guys on planes by Monday,

671
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:54,559
you might as well
cut the end sequence.
It's gonna be a gunfight.

672
00:33:56,299 --> 00:33:58,464
[Leitch] We've already
pushed for seven days

673
00:33:58,632 --> 00:34:03,002
and that's like
a half million dollars'
worth of money

674
00:34:03,171 --> 00:34:05,369
that just went out
the fucking window

675
00:34:05,538 --> 00:34:10,171
when the mo-- when we
were 600 short to start.

676
00:34:10,340 --> 00:34:11,306
[Stahelski sighs]

677
00:34:11,475 --> 00:34:12,676
[Leitch] It's a fucking mess.

678
00:34:16,453 --> 00:34:20,486
[Iwanyk] And then,
out of nowhere,
the money came through.

679
00:34:24,329 --> 00:34:27,422
[laughs]

680
00:34:27,624 --> 00:34:30,397
Should be fully
financed by tomorrow.

681
00:34:32,363 --> 00:34:34,203
Ready to shoot on Friday.

682
00:34:35,168 --> 00:34:36,998
[Iwanyk] We were blessed.

683
00:34:37,167 --> 00:34:40,207
It was insane that we
pulled this off
in the amount of time we did.

684
00:34:40,376 --> 00:34:42,609
It's gonna be...
This movie's about vengeance.

685
00:34:42,811 --> 00:34:44,347
Not John Wick's.

686
00:34:44,516 --> 00:34:46,015
Ours. [chuckles]

687
00:34:46,184 --> 00:34:47,849
[Iwanyk] And then we find out
while we're shooting

688
00:34:48,018 --> 00:34:49,752
that the money
was never from this guy,

689
00:34:49,921 --> 00:34:51,614
but it was
Eva Longoria's money.

690
00:34:51,817 --> 00:34:56,756
And I didn't tell Keanu
until after the movie wrapped

691
00:34:56,925 --> 00:34:59,190
because I didn't want him
to be like, "What the hell
is going on here?"

692
00:34:59,393 --> 00:35:02,197
So yeah,
if you look at<i> John Wick 1,</i>

693
00:35:02,366 --> 00:35:06,026
Eva Longoria, thank God,
pretty much saved the movie.

694
00:35:07,803 --> 00:35:09,600
We got through it,

695
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:12,371
but I think that it
broke a little bit of
Chad and Dave's spirit

696
00:35:12,439 --> 00:35:14,739
because they were
first-time directors,

697
00:35:14,907 --> 00:35:18,047
and they didn't realize
that sometimes
this is the game.

698
00:35:18,216 --> 00:35:20,275
Things happen, especially
in independent movies.

699
00:35:20,443 --> 00:35:25,155
And so, we went into shooting
the movie. We were already
exhausted as we started.

700
00:35:26,689 --> 00:35:28,420
[Reeves] I mean,
I remember when
I got to New York, and I...

701
00:35:28,589 --> 00:35:30,760
You know, I like to visit
the production office.

702
00:35:30,862 --> 00:35:32,590
See what's going on.
Yeah.

703
00:35:33,026 --> 00:35:37,325
And I took John Saunders,
who was the first AD,
and I was like,

704
00:35:37,393 --> 00:35:39,796
"John, let's look at
the board," you know,
the shooting schedule.

705
00:35:39,964 --> 00:35:41,896
[Stahelski] I remember that.
You wanted to see the schedule.

706
00:35:42,065 --> 00:35:43,933
[Reeves] Yeah.
[Stahelski]
You're a schedule whore.

707
00:35:44,102 --> 00:35:46,841
[Reeves] And I was just like,
"How are we...
We can't shoot that.

708
00:35:47,043 --> 00:35:48,274
Like, how are we
gonna do that?"

709
00:35:48,442 --> 00:35:49,779
I remember you just
were shaking your head.

710
00:35:49,948 --> 00:35:51,841
I was like,
"No, we need more days."

711
00:35:52,243 --> 00:35:54,680
And he's like, "I know."
I'm like,
"We need to get more days."

712
00:35:55,816 --> 00:35:58,613
[Leitch] We could not
wrap our head around
what could go.

713
00:35:58,782 --> 00:36:00,517
How do we do that?
How do we do this?

714
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,759
And Keanu couldn't,
and the writer couldn't,

715
00:36:03,927 --> 00:36:05,787
and the producers couldn't.

716
00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:08,761
So we're like,
"We're just gonna make
the movie with less time."

717
00:36:09,897 --> 00:36:11,863
[Stahelski] You know,
we laugh and joke about
it's just a movie,

718
00:36:12,065 --> 00:36:15,167
but we all know, every
crew member knows that
you take it really seriously.

719
00:36:15,336 --> 00:36:17,297
You wanna do
the best job you can.

720
00:36:17,499 --> 00:36:19,273
You don't wanna let down
the people that stuck
their neck out for you,

721
00:36:19,409 --> 00:36:21,301
so you put a lot of pressure
on yourself to do it.

722
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:25,278
I mean, at the end of the day,
we had known Keanu
for like the ten years,

723
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,981
eight years at the time
from all the<i> Matrixes.</i>

724
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:29,945
But it's still Keanu Reeves.

725
00:36:30,114 --> 00:36:31,655
You don't wanna
let this guy down.
Like, he's a pro, man.

726
00:36:31,823 --> 00:36:33,284
This is Keanu-fucking-Reeves.

727
00:36:33,453 --> 00:36:34,815
Like, you do not
wanna let him down

728
00:36:34,984 --> 00:36:37,955
no matter what you think
the movie's gonna be.

729
00:36:38,124 --> 00:36:40,856
So we decided to give it
our all and put
a lot of stress on ourselves.

730
00:36:41,025 --> 00:36:43,296
[crew member] Guys,
gotta keep moving.
Gotta keep moving.

731
00:36:43,465 --> 00:36:45,059
[crew member 2] Rolling!
[crew member 3] Rolling!

732
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:47,501
[crew member 4] Action!

733
00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:53,332
We were just
assaulted with problems.

734
00:36:53,501 --> 00:36:54,642
Go, go, go.

735
00:36:54,811 --> 00:36:56,041
Shoot, shoot.

736
00:36:56,209 --> 00:36:58,171
[intense music playing]

737
00:37:01,351 --> 00:37:03,312
[Leitch] Problems
from different departments

738
00:37:03,481 --> 00:37:04,646
and then budgetary problems.

739
00:37:04,815 --> 00:37:06,985
Gotta figure out
what scenes we can cut.

740
00:37:07,154 --> 00:37:08,750
[indistinct chatter]

741
00:37:08,952 --> 00:37:11,657
The usual on<i> John Wick,</i>
what scenes we can cut.

742
00:37:12,792 --> 00:37:14,363
'Cause we never
have time to shoot 'em all.

743
00:37:15,798 --> 00:37:18,258
In low-budget filmmaking,
you have to be
in your own movies.

744
00:37:18,460 --> 00:37:21,335
I would like to say this was
a creative choice,
but it was budgetary.

745
00:37:21,504 --> 00:37:23,768
And then logistically shooting
in New York problems.

746
00:37:23,970 --> 00:37:26,674
[crew member] Excuse me,
you gotta keep moving.
Active walkway.

747
00:37:26,843 --> 00:37:28,168
[siren blares]

748
00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:31,906
[Leitch] I think it was just
the movie gods hated us.

749
00:37:32,109 --> 00:37:35,615
So we are on the cover
of the<i> New York Post</i> today.

750
00:37:35,817 --> 00:37:40,048
Vinny's fine work
in the prop department
is featured.

751
00:37:41,226 --> 00:37:43,216
Makeup's fine work.
Hair's fine work.

752
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:47,524
-[Reeves]
The all-hands-on-deck...
-[Stahelski] That really helps.

753
00:37:47,726 --> 00:37:50,126
...on<i> John Wick 1</i>
was extraordinary.

754
00:37:50,328 --> 00:37:54,132
When we went in to start
crewing up, I mean,
we were a tiny little movie.

755
00:37:54,334 --> 00:37:58,304
No one was sure if we
were gonna go. So, we couldn't
really book a lot of crew.

756
00:37:58,506 --> 00:38:00,200
So, it was catch-as-catch-can
with the crew.

757
00:38:00,368 --> 00:38:02,569
We just take interviews
and whoever was
kind of available,

758
00:38:02,737 --> 00:38:04,209
whatever we... You know.

759
00:38:04,377 --> 00:38:05,738
People had to cut their rates.

760
00:38:05,907 --> 00:38:08,051
And then
for the prop department

761
00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:11,948
we got, no joke,
Vinny Mazzarella and Joey.

762
00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:13,917
[Reeves] Yeah, Joey Coppola.
[Stahelski] Joey Coppola.

763
00:38:14,353 --> 00:38:17,350
I mean, Vinny Mazzarella
and Joey Coppola,
those were our prop masters.

764
00:38:17,418 --> 00:38:21,057
And they were
just the coolest guys,
and they just got it.

765
00:38:21,226 --> 00:38:25,435
I mean, Vinny, like,
stopping-- Like,
we needed a garbage truck.

766
00:38:25,603 --> 00:38:29,230
And he's running on the street.
He's running down the street.

767
00:38:29,432 --> 00:38:32,004
[Stahelski]
2:00 a.m. in Chinatown
in New York on<i> John Wick 2,</i>

768
00:38:32,206 --> 00:38:35,811
we decided we wanted
a garbage truck to come in
the alley and back like--

769
00:38:35,979 --> 00:38:37,643
Yeah, back John Wick up.

770
00:38:37,812 --> 00:38:39,740
Vinny just said,
"What do you guys got
in your pockets?"

771
00:38:39,909 --> 00:38:41,283
We gave him a couple twenties.
Yeah.

772
00:38:41,452 --> 00:38:43,576
He came back in five minutes
with a garbage truck.

773
00:38:43,745 --> 00:38:45,288
With a garbage truck.

774
00:38:45,457 --> 00:38:47,621
He paid
the city garbage truck driver
a hundred bucks.

775
00:38:50,295 --> 00:38:51,986
[Reeves] I mean,
you make connections on films,

776
00:38:52,422 --> 00:38:54,526
but the connections
that were made
on this were really special.

777
00:38:54,595 --> 00:38:56,194
They were pretty good.
Yeah, we got lucky.

778
00:38:56,396 --> 00:38:58,295
Personal and creative.
Yep.

779
00:38:58,463 --> 00:39:00,128
You know?
Good people.

780
00:39:00,297 --> 00:39:03,433
Loving, who love their work,
who are amazing
at what they do.

781
00:39:03,602 --> 00:39:05,436
And they love the pain.
[laughs]

782
00:39:05,605 --> 00:39:07,336
And they--
And who love the pain.

783
00:39:07,505 --> 00:39:09,203
They love to suffer.

784
00:39:21,985 --> 00:39:23,822
Literally the day before
we started shooting,

785
00:39:24,923 --> 00:39:27,891
I saw Chad in the corner
like brooding, angry.

786
00:39:28,093 --> 00:39:29,895
I went to Dave, I'm like,
"What's Chad upset about?

787
00:39:30,097 --> 00:39:32,301
Like, somebody from the movie?"
He's like, "No, it's his wife,"

788
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:34,534
and this and that.
I'm like, "What do you mean?"

789
00:39:34,703 --> 00:39:36,400
He's like, "Yeah,
I think they're separating."

790
00:39:36,603 --> 00:39:38,702
I'm like,
"Now?" This movie?

791
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:42,042
We just got through hell
financing the movie.

792
00:39:42,211 --> 00:39:43,243
I wasn't getting paid.

793
00:39:43,445 --> 00:39:44,808
Not only
was I not getting paid,

794
00:39:44,977 --> 00:39:47,708
I took money out of our house
to fill some holes.

795
00:39:47,877 --> 00:39:49,680
And I'm like, "How can this be?

796
00:39:49,848 --> 00:39:52,147
How many more hits
can this movie take?"

797
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,914
Hey.
Hey. How are you?

798
00:39:55,116 --> 00:39:56,855
[Iwanyk]
And I spoke to Chad about it.

799
00:39:57,024 --> 00:39:58,358
I'm just like, "I don't care
what you're going through.

800
00:39:58,694 --> 00:40:00,958
You gotta just suck it up
and get through this."

801
00:40:01,027 --> 00:40:02,861
And he's like, "Absolutely,
don't worry about it."

802
00:40:03,029 --> 00:40:05,567
He's like, "I'll be dark
and self-loathing in private."

803
00:40:07,395 --> 00:40:10,063
[Stahelski] We went through
a horrible breakup.

804
00:40:10,232 --> 00:40:12,574
So I did the whole movie
separated from Heidi.

805
00:40:13,872 --> 00:40:15,941
When he's locked in
on something,

806
00:40:16,144 --> 00:40:19,843
when he's focused,
it's really hard
to penetrate the wall, right?

807
00:40:20,012 --> 00:40:23,683
So, I think in a relationship,
you know, it's hard,

808
00:40:23,852 --> 00:40:26,620
because when you're looking
for an emotional connection,

809
00:40:26,822 --> 00:40:30,120
or you're looking for
some kind of,
you know, something,

810
00:40:30,322 --> 00:40:33,029
and he's just
laser focused on something,
you can't get through.

811
00:40:33,198 --> 00:40:34,855
She felt
she needed something more,

812
00:40:35,024 --> 00:40:37,299
and fortunately
I agreed with her.

813
00:40:37,501 --> 00:40:39,092
And then we managed
to get back together again,

814
00:40:39,261 --> 00:40:42,568
of course after post
when I have all this time,

815
00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:47,135
only to get divorced
on<i> John Wick 2.</i> [laughs]

816
00:40:47,337 --> 00:40:50,607
So, you can see I'm laughing
at my own complete ineptitude

817
00:40:50,776 --> 00:40:52,482
to sort that out
and balance my life.

818
00:40:55,554 --> 00:40:57,812
[Leitch] What was really
frustrating for me was that,

819
00:40:58,014 --> 00:40:59,920
when we got
our one fucking chance

820
00:41:00,089 --> 00:41:03,153
that I personally
had been working on potentially
a lot harder than you

821
00:41:03,355 --> 00:41:07,255
to get out there
in the director world,
and you're gonna blow it up.

822
00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:11,799
It was hard for me
to be empathetic
'cause it didn't feel fair.

823
00:41:11,934 --> 00:41:13,867
Two weeks in,
Basil called me on a Sunday
and was like,

824
00:41:14,236 --> 00:41:17,969
"You need to be in New York.
These two are not
talking to each other."

825
00:41:18,038 --> 00:41:20,442
[Iwanyk] I actually thought
that two first-time directors

826
00:41:20,611 --> 00:41:22,976
would be better than
one first-time director
because,

827
00:41:23,145 --> 00:41:26,240
you know, two sets of hands,
you get more done
than one set of hands.

828
00:41:26,409 --> 00:41:28,446
Their disagreements seemed
like it was a progression

829
00:41:28,615 --> 00:41:30,644
through the course of shooting.

830
00:41:30,813 --> 00:41:35,190
It's almost like
the outside enemy of getting
the film produced was gone,

831
00:41:35,392 --> 00:41:37,186
so now
the infighting could start.

832
00:41:37,388 --> 00:41:41,259
I remember they spent
an hour fighting over
colors of bedsheets.

833
00:41:41,428 --> 00:41:44,358
Fucking, it's supposed to be
a fucking cool, hip place
where you wanna be.

834
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,968
And it's like
a fucking lavender
purple fucking thing.

835
00:41:49,137 --> 00:41:51,503
[Iwanyk]
You know, in retrospect,
I was naive to be surprised.

836
00:41:51,672 --> 00:41:53,375
I think we
probably argued every day.

837
00:41:53,578 --> 00:41:55,037
But I don't think
it was an actual argument.

838
00:41:55,106 --> 00:41:57,008
I think it was we were both
stressed out,

839
00:41:57,477 --> 00:41:59,372
and we kind of took it out
each other 'cause when you
love each other,

840
00:41:59,441 --> 00:42:00,976
those are the people
you take it out on first.

841
00:42:01,144 --> 00:42:02,881
[Leitch] You know what,
do your fucking job.

842
00:42:03,250 --> 00:42:06,121
Making that movie
was like watching my parents
get divorced.

843
00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:09,959
We would wrap at like 3:00
in the morning, and I
would like cry walking home,

844
00:42:10,128 --> 00:42:11,720
being like, "What is this?"

845
00:42:11,922 --> 00:42:14,193
It's horrible, man.
[laughs]

846
00:42:14,362 --> 00:42:17,857
It's like Mom and Dad fighting
all the time.
I'm gonna need counseling.

847
00:42:18,026 --> 00:42:19,668
They're busy thinking.

848
00:42:19,836 --> 00:42:21,695
I think they're working out
their information for the day

849
00:42:21,864 --> 00:42:24,004
in their heads, maybe.

850
00:42:24,273 --> 00:42:26,170
At least that's what
I'm hoping that they're doing
during the silence.

851
00:42:26,272 --> 00:42:29,572
It wasn't about creativity.
It was about management styles.

852
00:42:29,674 --> 00:42:31,204
And I think that Chad,

853
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,308
he gets a lot of juice
by blowing things up
for a second

854
00:42:34,377 --> 00:42:37,550
and then having people run
to put them back together.

855
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,018
And I just
don't operate that way.

856
00:42:41,117 --> 00:42:43,526
Do you like this
or do you like that?

857
00:42:43,695 --> 00:42:47,695
Does he put anything in his...
He takes his coffee black?

858
00:42:47,864 --> 00:42:49,930
[Stahelski]
Black like his snot.
[Leitch] Like his soul.

859
00:42:50,133 --> 00:42:51,263
Like his soul.

860
00:42:51,465 --> 00:42:53,094
[Reeves] How about that.

861
00:42:53,297 --> 00:42:54,767
[Stahelski] Is he
a single serving kinda guy?

862
00:42:55,003 --> 00:42:58,540
The irony of<i> John Wick 1</i>
was Chad and Dave were really,

863
00:42:58,676 --> 00:43:00,740
really, really comfortable
with the action sequences.

864
00:43:00,909 --> 00:43:03,008
The dramatic sequences
and the acting sequences,

865
00:43:03,177 --> 00:43:05,044
they were less so,
because they'd never really
done it.

866
00:43:05,212 --> 00:43:08,182
And so,
it was a strange paradox
from what you usually deal with

867
00:43:08,351 --> 00:43:10,115
from first-time directors.

868
00:43:10,317 --> 00:43:12,217
Usually, first-time directors
get overwhelmed by
action sequences,

869
00:43:12,386 --> 00:43:15,450
and the performance stuff
comes naturally.
It was flipped on this movie.

870
00:43:15,652 --> 00:43:18,223
I think we shot
inside the house for like
nine days, or seven days.

871
00:43:18,392 --> 00:43:20,890
Yeah. No, we camped out there.
There was a lot of John Wick
moping around,

872
00:43:21,059 --> 00:43:23,089
and we're like,
"This is the character."

873
00:43:23,224 --> 00:43:24,730
Remember how much we did?
Yeah.

874
00:43:25,033 --> 00:43:27,699
[Reeves] Because he's
breaking up you two, right?

875
00:43:27,768 --> 00:43:28,896
[Leitch]
He's breaking up your...

876
00:43:29,232 --> 00:43:30,705
[Stahelski]
Dave and I were so nervous

877
00:43:30,774 --> 00:43:32,599
that they were only
going to see us as stunt guys.

878
00:43:32,768 --> 00:43:34,600
We can't focus on the action.
We have to focus
about the acting,

879
00:43:34,769 --> 00:43:37,072
and the emotion,
and the pain
that this man is suffering.

880
00:43:37,241 --> 00:43:41,077
So we spent nine days
of a very small budget,

881
00:43:41,246 --> 00:43:44,612
very small schedule movie
of Keanu moping around,

882
00:43:44,781 --> 00:43:47,921
of Keanu cleaning out
the closet and packing
his wife's clothes up,

883
00:43:48,089 --> 00:43:50,992
and sitting there
staring into the darkness
and the abyss.

884
00:43:51,194 --> 00:43:55,458
I remember like on day three,
Keanu didn't say a word
for three days.

885
00:43:55,627 --> 00:43:57,163
He'd wake up,

886
00:43:57,365 --> 00:43:58,462
brush his teeth,

887
00:43:58,631 --> 00:43:59,727
look into a mirror,

888
00:43:59,896 --> 00:44:01,002
go across the floor,

889
00:44:01,204 --> 00:44:02,334
fill a dog bowl,

890
00:44:02,536 --> 00:44:03,630
say, "Come over here,"

891
00:44:03,798 --> 00:44:05,133
wake up,

892
00:44:05,302 --> 00:44:07,768
and the footage
was like mind-numbingly boring.

893
00:44:07,937 --> 00:44:09,402
And it was endless.

894
00:44:09,571 --> 00:44:11,780
You have a lot of John Wick
eating cereal by himself.

895
00:44:11,949 --> 00:44:14,147
Book making, right?
Remember he did
book restoration?

896
00:44:14,316 --> 00:44:17,316
I forgot that.
We wanted to show something,
that he's very precise...

897
00:44:17,485 --> 00:44:18,984
Precise.
Methodical.

898
00:44:19,153 --> 00:44:22,418
So we shot for like two days
of Keanu doing bookbinding.

899
00:44:22,587 --> 00:44:26,095
That's how terrified we were
of being pigeonholed
as action guys.

900
00:44:26,264 --> 00:44:28,457
Oh, the kick in the head.

901
00:44:28,625 --> 00:44:29,760
[groans]

902
00:44:29,929 --> 00:44:32,134
I like
this reaction.
I do too.

903
00:44:32,303 --> 00:44:35,529
You don't see that reaction
a lot with, you know,
like that kind of spasmy thing.

904
00:44:35,731 --> 00:44:38,467
You know, you fucking
vapor lock when you're
in fucking pain.

905
00:44:38,636 --> 00:44:40,170
[dog whines]

906
00:44:40,339 --> 00:44:41,701
-[Reeves] Oh, right,
killing the dog.
-[Stahelski] Yeah.

907
00:44:41,903 --> 00:44:43,009
[dog yelps]

908
00:44:43,775 --> 00:44:45,473
[imitates yelp]
Oof.

909
00:44:45,642 --> 00:44:47,810
You should have heard
that test screening
the first time. Oof.

910
00:44:47,978 --> 00:44:49,547
Never won that audience back.

911
00:44:49,749 --> 00:44:51,285
Oh, yeah?
[laughs] Oh, yeah.

912
00:44:51,454 --> 00:44:53,180
Our first test screening--

913
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:55,222
How'd that go?
That dog-- That dog went.

914
00:44:55,424 --> 00:44:57,225
The audience went quiet,

915
00:44:57,427 --> 00:44:59,487
and people were walking out.

916
00:44:59,656 --> 00:45:02,329
The movie
was still pretty rough.
It was still really long.

917
00:45:02,497 --> 00:45:03,896
But yeah, it got weird.

918
00:45:04,098 --> 00:45:08,962
It is one of the most
famous principles in Hollywood

919
00:45:09,130 --> 00:45:10,535
is you never kill a dog.

920
00:45:10,704 --> 00:45:12,905
As soon as a dog is killed,

921
00:45:13,108 --> 00:45:18,012
you almost always are losing
a big chunk of the audience.

922
00:45:18,180 --> 00:45:21,147
[Reeves]
Oh, yeah, the blood shot.
[Stahelski] Yeah, blood shot.

923
00:45:21,316 --> 00:45:24,516
The puppy crawled his way
back to his owner
before he died.

924
00:45:24,685 --> 00:45:25,682
[imitates dog whimpering]

925
00:45:25,851 --> 00:45:27,423
When these dailies got back,

926
00:45:27,625 --> 00:45:29,652
we actually got
a stern talking to about,

927
00:45:29,821 --> 00:45:33,558
"Oh, fuck, you guys. What are
you-- like, what the fuck
are you guys doing?"

928
00:45:33,726 --> 00:45:35,061
You cannot kill the dog.

929
00:45:36,062 --> 00:45:39,201
"You're doing puppy porn,
like, gore."

930
00:45:39,370 --> 00:45:42,398
I'm like, "No, man, we got
the baby lens on. It's going
to be really artistic."

931
00:45:42,567 --> 00:45:45,708
They're like, "The puppy's
intestines are on the floor."

932
00:45:45,877 --> 00:45:47,510
I'm like, "It's not intestines.
It's just blood."

933
00:45:47,678 --> 00:45:49,401
We had a whole
argument about that shot.

934
00:45:49,570 --> 00:45:52,739
I remember shooting
the dog's death,

935
00:45:52,907 --> 00:45:57,116
and Keanu was on the floor
crying with
this stuffed beagle.

936
00:45:58,754 --> 00:46:00,013
And at that moment,
you're like,

937
00:46:00,182 --> 00:46:02,623
"This is either genius or,

938
00:46:02,825 --> 00:46:04,525
like, the worst thing
I've ever made."

939
00:46:04,694 --> 00:46:05,891
We always knew
we were gonna do it.

940
00:46:06,059 --> 00:46:07,554
Oh, yeah.
I mean,
it's the movie.

941
00:46:07,723 --> 00:46:09,093
There were others that kept
trying to talk us out of it,

942
00:46:09,195 --> 00:46:10,564
but we're like, "No,
we got to kill the"--

943
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,702
You got to--
[stutters]
Where's the movie?

944
00:46:12,771 --> 00:46:14,762
Yeah, we didn't
have a movie
without the puppy.

945
00:46:14,997 --> 00:46:17,706
[Reeves] No, you got to
kill the puppy so
you're killing the attachment.

946
00:46:17,841 --> 00:46:20,038
But I think there was
more talks about that.

947
00:46:20,207 --> 00:46:21,877
There was that and then
killing Alfie at the end.

948
00:46:22,045 --> 00:46:24,239
You can't just kill Alfie Allen
cold-blooded like we did,

949
00:46:24,407 --> 00:46:26,043
'cause that's
pretty icy fucking cold.

950
00:46:26,212 --> 00:46:29,044
Iosef, got to go.
You can't kill the puppy.

951
00:46:29,213 --> 00:46:30,585
And his wife--
Puppy's gotta go.

952
00:46:30,754 --> 00:46:32,720
And his wife has to--
We have to find out

953
00:46:32,888 --> 00:46:34,619
that his wife
was poisoned by the bad guys.

954
00:46:34,787 --> 00:46:36,386
No, the wife has to die.

955
00:46:36,554 --> 00:46:39,325
Those were the three notes we
got back from certain peoples.

956
00:46:39,527 --> 00:46:43,227
Even the night we were doing
the puppy, we knew
we had something good when--

957
00:46:43,396 --> 00:46:45,562
I think because we shot that
push-in over the blood first.

958
00:46:45,731 --> 00:46:46,963
[Reeves] Yeah.

959
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:48,630
And then,
you're just petting the puppy.

960
00:46:48,765 --> 00:46:49,800
Yeah.

961
00:46:49,969 --> 00:46:50,900
We're like, "That's awesome.

962
00:46:51,068 --> 00:46:52,433
That's going in the movie."

963
00:46:52,602 --> 00:46:54,470
And there was a lot of talk
behind monitors that,

964
00:46:54,638 --> 00:46:57,944
like, "Oh, no, we got to shoot
a second... a second version."

965
00:46:58,113 --> 00:47:00,111
Chad wasn't much of
a dog person back then.

966
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,412
Now he's got dogs,
and he's a dog person,

967
00:47:02,580 --> 00:47:04,477
and he's embraced them,
and he's done movies with dogs,

968
00:47:04,646 --> 00:47:06,349
and he's trained them
since they were puppies,

969
00:47:06,551 --> 00:47:09,185
and they bite people in the
neck and the balls and shit.

970
00:47:09,387 --> 00:47:11,789
But he never had dogs
back in<i> John Wick.</i>

971
00:47:11,957 --> 00:47:13,588
Like, he wouldn't go, like,

972
00:47:13,756 --> 00:47:16,495
"Chad's gonna direct this
heartwarming movie about a dog,

973
00:47:16,664 --> 00:47:18,029
a guy and his dog."

974
00:47:18,231 --> 00:47:20,495
That would have not been
Chad's first choice.

975
00:47:20,664 --> 00:47:23,431
Which is partly why it was so
easy to kill the dog, maybe.

976
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,365
He was just like,
"We just get rid of the dog,

977
00:47:26,567 --> 00:47:28,210
then I don't have
to direct a dog."

978
00:47:28,412 --> 00:47:29,477
And now it's funny.

979
00:47:29,779 --> 00:47:31,606
All there are are dogs.
[chuckles]

980
00:47:31,674 --> 00:47:33,675
If that's the journey
that Chad's taken away,

981
00:47:33,911 --> 00:47:37,144
like he's become a dog lover,
then I'm glad
we created<i> John Wick.</i>

982
00:47:37,279 --> 00:47:40,383
Because it's huge for me.

983
00:47:40,585 --> 00:47:43,888
There's a guy that could be
getting a bead on you here.

984
00:47:44,091 --> 00:47:45,824
Which is why
you're hauling ass...

985
00:47:45,993 --> 00:47:48,364
Okay.
It's more like,
"Oh, fuck."

986
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:52,794
Sometimes people ask us,
"What shot in<i> John Wick 1</i> is
Dave's and what shot is yours?"

987
00:47:52,929 --> 00:47:56,135
I'm like,
"I don't fucking know."
Everything was a conversation.

988
00:47:56,304 --> 00:47:58,371
He'd be setting up A camera,
I'm setting up B camera.

989
00:47:58,540 --> 00:48:00,968
It was just such
an organic process. We'd
worked together so many times.

990
00:48:01,137 --> 00:48:03,645
We just knew this is
what we ought to do. We gotta
get this done. Let's go.

991
00:48:03,814 --> 00:48:04,980
Let's come up
with the best idea.

992
00:48:08,711 --> 00:48:12,020
[Stahelski] Dave had a much
more grounded sensibility.

993
00:48:12,189 --> 00:48:15,890
I was influenced more
by Tolkien
and Japanese anime and manga.

994
00:48:16,059 --> 00:48:19,086
And Dave wanted to be more
grounded, gritty, emotional.

995
00:48:19,288 --> 00:48:20,486
We gotta make it painful.

996
00:48:20,655 --> 00:48:22,256
So we both saw the movie
in different ways

997
00:48:22,458 --> 00:48:24,264
and we landed
in that sweet spot.

998
00:48:24,466 --> 00:48:26,996
Especially in the time period
with all the shaky cam
stuff going on.

999
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:29,103
That's why<i> John Wick</i> clicked.

1000
00:48:30,636 --> 00:48:34,601
Dave and Chad created that-- we
called it the John Wick style,

1001
00:48:34,803 --> 00:48:37,441
which was like long takes
and 30-beat fight scenes

1002
00:48:37,643 --> 00:48:41,012
where you're doing
like judo/jujitsu
with a gun in your hand.

1003
00:48:41,181 --> 00:48:42,881
That was something
created out of necessity

1004
00:48:43,050 --> 00:48:45,351
because of lack
of time and money.

1005
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:47,614
When you do
the punches and kicks,
you need the coverage, right?

1006
00:48:47,816 --> 00:48:49,956
You need over the shoulder.
You gotta sell the hit.

1007
00:48:50,158 --> 00:48:51,685
And we just didn't
have that kind of time.

1008
00:48:51,854 --> 00:48:54,258
So we all talked about, "Well,
how are we gonna do this?"

1009
00:48:54,427 --> 00:48:56,425
Well, we're gonna take judo
and aikido and like--

1010
00:48:56,594 --> 00:48:58,293
Wick is kind of the guy
that's going to grab you.

1011
00:48:58,495 --> 00:49:00,767
If I got your collar...
Yeah, you got him.

1012
00:49:00,936 --> 00:49:02,269
...it was over.
Yeah, he got you.

1013
00:49:02,438 --> 00:49:03,871
It was over.

1014
00:49:04,073 --> 00:49:05,533
But that's
the vibe we wanted.
It was over.

1015
00:49:05,835 --> 00:49:08,937
It was just like if I got
a collar, inside, anywhere,

1016
00:49:09,006 --> 00:49:12,704
if I got a collar coming--
it's just like,
"We're going, bye."

1017
00:49:12,873 --> 00:49:15,381
You have no choice.
You're in the machine.

1018
00:49:15,550 --> 00:49:19,078
You're going down.
You're spinning.
You're being twisted.

1019
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,582
But you had thought
about using that before
you did<i> John Wick--</i>

1020
00:49:21,718 --> 00:49:23,619
Yeah, we just never really
had the character for it.

1021
00:49:24,021 --> 00:49:27,662
You kind of implemented me
into like, "Let's see
if this can work."

1022
00:49:27,731 --> 00:49:29,762
Yeah, well, we had--
Take actor.

1023
00:49:29,931 --> 00:49:32,398
And experiment.
And experiment.

1024
00:49:32,566 --> 00:49:34,897
"Oh, yeah, he'll do it. I know
that guy. He'll come to train."

1025
00:49:35,066 --> 00:49:38,566
We had the close-quarter
choreography kind of worked out
with the gun stuff.

1026
00:49:38,735 --> 00:49:41,506
We just couldn't find
the test subject.
Yeah.

1027
00:49:41,708 --> 00:49:44,606
Once<i> John Wick</i> came about,
Chad and Dave
right away were like,

1028
00:49:44,808 --> 00:49:47,483
"Bring up the<i> Safe</i> footage.
Bring up the<i> Safe</i> concepts.

1029
00:49:47,651 --> 00:49:48,677
That's Wick right there."

1030
00:49:57,492 --> 00:49:59,858
[Eusebio] Back in the day, we
used to do-- well, we still do.

1031
00:50:00,061 --> 00:50:01,654
We do a lot of
Jason Statham films.

1032
00:50:01,857 --> 00:50:03,865
I remember there's one
movie called<i> Safe.</i>

1033
00:50:04,067 --> 00:50:06,125
And we were designing
concepts for that film.

1034
00:50:06,294 --> 00:50:12,037
And Chad challenged everybody
to combine jujitsu
and judo with gun stuff.

1035
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,536
And if you look back
at the<i> Safe</i> previses,

1036
00:50:14,739 --> 00:50:18,806
it's all the moves and all
the style of<i> John Wick 1.</i>

1037
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:24,516
For gun fu,
you did the mix of airsofts

1038
00:50:24,685 --> 00:50:27,717
and use visual effects
for the muzzle flashes
and blood spurts.

1039
00:50:27,919 --> 00:50:30,850
Because back in the day,
we were using blanks,
real guns to shoot.

1040
00:50:31,019 --> 00:50:33,125
So you can't do
close quarter stuff.
It's dangerous.

1041
00:50:33,294 --> 00:50:35,392
At a certain range,
it's still lethal.

1042
00:50:35,594 --> 00:50:37,192
Usually it's like,
once you fire a gun,
you cut.

1043
00:50:37,361 --> 00:50:39,367
And show the guy
firing the gun,

1044
00:50:39,536 --> 00:50:41,896
and then you're on
the reverse so you know
you're in the safe zone.

1045
00:50:42,099 --> 00:50:44,530
So we're doing shots
that aren't cut
right in front of each other,

1046
00:50:44,699 --> 00:50:46,502
shooting each
other point-blank.

1047
00:50:46,671 --> 00:50:48,901
When they cut it together
and put the muzzle flash

1048
00:50:49,103 --> 00:50:51,337
and the blood splatter on it,
we all were like, "Oh, shit."

1049
00:50:51,506 --> 00:50:53,916
It was cooler than anything
we were doing in any movies
we were working on.

1050
00:50:54,118 --> 00:50:56,510
[Perry] We sent it to Chad
and he damn lost his mind.

1051
00:50:56,645 --> 00:50:57,917
[Leitch] And I was
looking at it like,

1052
00:50:58,287 --> 00:50:59,713
"Dude, we got to get this
in a freaking movie.

1053
00:50:59,781 --> 00:51:02,081
Like, this is insane.
This is awesome."

1054
00:51:02,283 --> 00:51:04,817
[Marinas] What's funny is
we all thought Jason
would murder that.

1055
00:51:04,986 --> 00:51:07,089
Like, he's so good at action,
that should be easy.

1056
00:51:07,291 --> 00:51:09,756
And in classic Jason style,

1057
00:51:09,959 --> 00:51:12,829
love him to death,
he had notes,
he had thoughts.

1058
00:51:12,998 --> 00:51:15,333
You know, maybe he
didn't want this. Maybe it was
a little too stylized.

1059
00:51:15,502 --> 00:51:17,729
I don't know what it was,
but for some reason,

1060
00:51:17,898 --> 00:51:19,601
Statham didn't
gel with the style.

1061
00:51:19,804 --> 00:51:23,605
I was kind of like, "You got
to be shitting me right now.

1062
00:51:23,807 --> 00:51:26,511
This is the coolest stuff
I've seen in so long."

1063
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:29,150
That being said, they ended up
doing some small pieces of it.

1064
00:51:29,352 --> 00:51:32,554
If you watch<i> Safe,</i>
there's a little bit
hand-to-hand.

1065
00:51:32,723 --> 00:51:36,381
It's the introduction of it,
you know, in that one fight
in the restaurant.

1066
00:51:36,550 --> 00:51:41,021
There's just like
a couple moments where, like,
you see gun fu come to life.

1067
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:44,064
But I think at that point,
Chad was like, you know,
"Fuck this.

1068
00:51:44,233 --> 00:51:46,400
We're holding this
until we get our shot.

1069
00:51:46,569 --> 00:51:48,904
Like, we're not letting
anyone else
see this, because..."

1070
00:51:49,073 --> 00:51:51,039
He was right.
It was gonna
blow people away.

1071
00:51:51,242 --> 00:51:53,432
And I mean, we were so
excited to put it into<i> Wick.</i>

1072
00:51:53,601 --> 00:51:55,775
Like, we couldn't wait.

1073
00:51:55,943 --> 00:51:59,574
[Eusebio] It's funny because
even though they're both
great action icons,

1074
00:51:59,743 --> 00:52:02,313
Jason's a bad-ass
physical specimen too,

1075
00:52:02,516 --> 00:52:04,912
it just looked different
when Reeves was doing it.

1076
00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:20,127
[Eusebio] If you say gun fu,
you automatically think
Keanu Reeves.

1077
00:52:20,296 --> 00:52:21,830
It's his style.

1078
00:52:23,902 --> 00:52:28,942
The great thing about Keanu is,
I mean,
he was just such a stud.

1079
00:52:29,111 --> 00:52:33,339
He does like 98%
of all his fighting.

1080
00:52:33,541 --> 00:52:37,314
His stunt double comes in
only when there's something
really sketchy,

1081
00:52:37,483 --> 00:52:40,117
like me throwing
him over the balcony.

1082
00:52:40,286 --> 00:52:43,351
He's so good. It's amazing.

1083
00:52:43,553 --> 00:52:46,195
One, you go right here.
Grab.

1084
00:52:46,397 --> 00:52:48,529
[Bernhardt] I remember
Chad and Dave
coming up to me saying,

1085
00:52:48,731 --> 00:52:49,830
"Daniel, pad up."

1086
00:52:50,099 --> 00:52:51,328
I'm like,
"What do you mean?"

1087
00:52:51,397 --> 00:52:53,068
We're doing masters,
you know,

1088
00:52:53,471 --> 00:52:55,764
where you do the fight
from the beginning
to the end, no cuts.

1089
00:52:55,833 --> 00:52:57,534
And I really haven't done that
in a long time.

1090
00:52:57,737 --> 00:52:59,498
And they're like,
"We don't have the time.
Pad up."

1091
00:52:59,667 --> 00:53:01,201
[Stahelski] Go, go, go, go.

1092
00:53:01,403 --> 00:53:04,774
[both grunting]

1093
00:53:07,508 --> 00:53:11,818
We shoot a master,
and I remember me
and Keanu's double, Jackson,

1094
00:53:11,987 --> 00:53:14,223
we were both so exhausted.

1095
00:53:17,656 --> 00:53:19,855
But it turned out
to be a really good fight.

1096
00:53:21,329 --> 00:53:22,856
[Stahelski]
We're rolling, guys.

1097
00:53:23,025 --> 00:53:25,131
I think it came out better
than we had ever thought.

1098
00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:26,362
Because you've
made it a character.

1099
00:53:26,531 --> 00:53:27,694
-Now it's like--
-[Reeves] Right.

1100
00:53:27,863 --> 00:53:29,297
This is where John Wick
got to be like,

1101
00:53:29,466 --> 00:53:30,630
okay, he's the gun guy.

1102
00:53:30,799 --> 00:53:32,702
Yeah.
Like, holy shit,
it worked.

1103
00:53:32,871 --> 00:53:36,570
Yeah, but I mean,
I think that ties
into your philosophy

1104
00:53:36,772 --> 00:53:38,741
and David Leitch's
philosophy

1105
00:53:38,943 --> 00:53:43,545
coming out of the school
of the Wachowskis
with the<i> Matrix</i>

1106
00:53:43,714 --> 00:53:46,512
was that character
drives the action.

1107
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,354
The story of the action,

1108
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:52,756
the character of the action
has to be
so connected to story.

1109
00:53:56,194 --> 00:53:58,165
[crew chattering]

1110
00:53:58,367 --> 00:54:02,029
Last take of<i> John Wick</i>
principal photography.

1111
00:54:07,710 --> 00:54:11,504
All right, that's a wrap
on principal
and additional photography.

1112
00:54:11,672 --> 00:54:12,710
Thank you all very much.

1113
00:54:14,541 --> 00:54:16,108
Good job...

1114
00:54:16,310 --> 00:54:18,412
[Stahelski] Hey, Dave, you
just directed your first movie.

1115
00:54:18,581 --> 00:54:19,918
What are you gonna do now?

1116
00:54:20,087 --> 00:54:22,684
Smoke crack. [laughs]

1117
00:54:22,852 --> 00:54:25,252
To everybody that
said we couldn't do it.

1118
00:54:25,421 --> 00:54:28,456
[Stahelski] We thought
the hard part
was gonna be training Keanu

1119
00:54:28,658 --> 00:54:30,598
and killing it
with cool action.

1120
00:54:30,767 --> 00:54:33,300
We wrapped, we were like,
"Oh, my God,
we did it. We're in the clear."

1121
00:54:33,503 --> 00:54:36,037
And then there's this thing
we found out called post,

1122
00:54:36,206 --> 00:54:38,200
where you actually
have to find the movie.

1123
00:54:38,369 --> 00:54:41,234
[Stahelski] If you want
distance, you got distance
right there. Look at that.

1124
00:54:41,403 --> 00:54:44,477
[Leitch] I think post
was where I had
the biggest learning curve,

1125
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:47,044
because you don't really do it
as a second-unit director.

1126
00:54:47,213 --> 00:54:50,876
[vocalizing noises]

1127
00:54:51,045 --> 00:54:53,949
And then cut to the
fast outside like...

1128
00:54:54,118 --> 00:54:56,548
We cut the assembly
and we thought,
"Oh my God, we did it."

1129
00:54:56,717 --> 00:54:59,755
We watched the assembly
and we're like, "What the fuck?
This is terrible.

1130
00:54:59,924 --> 00:55:01,926
Like, this is--
We're gonna never work again."

1131
00:55:02,095 --> 00:55:04,331
We showed it
to some friends and family,
and they're just going, "Yeah."

1132
00:55:04,534 --> 00:55:06,735
Tapping us on the shoulder,
"Good job, guys. Yeah, yeah.

1133
00:55:06,904 --> 00:55:08,168
You did your first movie."

1134
00:55:08,370 --> 00:55:10,064
I think that devastated them.
It was like,

1135
00:55:10,232 --> 00:55:12,472
"Guys, it's too long.
It's too long. It's too long."

1136
00:55:12,674 --> 00:55:16,769
The first cut of<i> John Wick,</i>
he was moping around his house.

1137
00:55:16,938 --> 00:55:18,972
It was like a
Swedish noir movie.

1138
00:55:19,141 --> 00:55:22,314
It was very blue.
He's crying, making coffee.

1139
00:55:22,483 --> 00:55:25,018
And you're like, "Okay.
I don't--"

1140
00:55:25,220 --> 00:55:28,079
I think people are-- They're
gonna wanna know when he's
gonna start killing people.

1141
00:55:28,248 --> 00:55:30,085
We were trying to hold on
to the script so tight

1142
00:55:30,253 --> 00:55:32,451
that I think we fought
everybody for the first four,
five weeks.

1143
00:55:32,787 --> 00:55:35,226
It's sometimes harder when
you're like, "No, but this
is the way I saw it,

1144
00:55:35,295 --> 00:55:38,697
and I just need to see it
that way until I don't see it
that way. Then I can..."

1145
00:55:38,899 --> 00:55:41,333
You know, and I'm like,
I've already
forgotten about that way

1146
00:55:41,502 --> 00:55:42,830
'cause this way
is already so cool.

1147
00:55:42,999 --> 00:55:44,835
Basil, he got mad at us
for being so depressed.

1148
00:55:45,004 --> 00:55:48,837
He's like, "What the fuck you
guys doing? Like, get to work."

1149
00:55:49,006 --> 00:55:51,111
We're like, "Well,
it's terrible. We failed."

1150
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,510
He's like,
"That's your assembly.

1151
00:55:52,678 --> 00:55:54,347
Like, now you gonna go
make the movie, guys.

1152
00:55:54,516 --> 00:55:57,713
Like, you got 20 weeks.
You know, hurry up. Go."

1153
00:55:57,915 --> 00:56:00,554
We're like, "I guess
this is directing, huh?"

1154
00:56:00,756 --> 00:56:03,648
[Reeves] You know, they had to
figure out the film in the cut,

1155
00:56:03,817 --> 00:56:06,492
and then the battles that
you have to fight with
the show business part of it.

1156
00:56:06,661 --> 00:56:08,390
You know, what do other
people think of the movie

1157
00:56:08,592 --> 00:56:10,156
that you thought you made?

1158
00:56:10,291 --> 00:56:12,259
"There's too much action."
"Not enough action."

1159
00:56:12,628 --> 00:56:15,569
"You can't really kill
the dog." "Wait, what?
What's the ending?"

1160
00:56:15,638 --> 00:56:18,037
"The ending doesn't work."
Gotta redo it, you know.

1161
00:56:18,206 --> 00:56:23,838
And I'm sure they had a lot of,
you know, [exclaims]
"Is this fucking terrible?"

1162
00:56:24,006 --> 00:56:26,808
We kind of found the movie
very, very slowly.

1163
00:56:26,977 --> 00:56:28,846
It was very slow.
But yeah, we were panicked.

1164
00:56:29,015 --> 00:56:31,378
You know, at the time,
remember,
it was all about fast editing

1165
00:56:31,547 --> 00:56:34,551
and shaky cam and all
that stuff. And we didn't have
a single shaky cam.

1166
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:38,060
Our stuff was very
slow and with no VFX.

1167
00:56:38,229 --> 00:56:39,860
Yeah, we thought
the movie was terrible.

1168
00:56:40,029 --> 00:56:41,561
Everybody but Keanu.

1169
00:56:41,730 --> 00:56:43,231
Keanu and Basil were just like,
"No, just keep hammering.

1170
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:44,826
Keep going. We'll see you
in a couple weeks."

1171
00:56:44,994 --> 00:56:46,329
Part of it is
like your baby, you know?

1172
00:56:46,498 --> 00:56:47,927
It's the art you created

1173
00:56:48,296 --> 00:56:50,131
and you're really into it
and you're excited.

1174
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,398
But then you're feeling
like self-conscious about,

1175
00:56:53,567 --> 00:56:56,907
"Is this moment
gonna be cheesy?
And are people gonna like it?"

1176
00:56:57,076 --> 00:57:00,207
And I know I like it, but I've
got to put it out in the world.

1177
00:57:00,375 --> 00:57:04,781
And it's all of that confidence
and insecurity colliding.

1178
00:57:04,984 --> 00:57:07,352
I gotta believe in myself,
but I also gotta deliver this

1179
00:57:07,521 --> 00:57:08,950
to an audience
and it's gotta work.

1180
00:57:09,152 --> 00:57:11,118
[Iwanyk] We previewed
the movie for the first time.

1181
00:57:11,287 --> 00:57:13,254
And the audience didn't know
what to make of the movie.

1182
00:57:13,656 --> 00:57:17,261
They're like, "What is this?
It's like Keanu
depressed and crying.

1183
00:57:17,329 --> 00:57:20,292
And what is happening here?
It's supposed to be
an action movie."

1184
00:57:20,494 --> 00:57:22,467
And I'll never forget, it was
the most important moment

1185
00:57:22,669 --> 00:57:24,396
in the entire
<i> Wick</i> franchise history

1186
00:57:24,731 --> 00:57:27,643
where Michael Nyqvist
calls John Leguizamo...
Aurelio speaking.

1187
00:57:27,711 --> 00:57:29,609
[Iwanyk] ...and says...
[Viggo]
<i> I heard you struck my son.</i>

1188
00:57:29,811 --> 00:57:31,377
[Iwanyk] And John says...
[Aurelio]<i> Yes, sir, I did.</i>

1189
00:57:31,546 --> 00:57:33,541
Because he stole
John Wick's car, sir,

1190
00:57:33,709 --> 00:57:36,779
and, uh, killed his dog.

1191
00:57:36,947 --> 00:57:38,643
[Iwanyk] And
Michael Nyqvist just goes...

1192
00:57:38,745 --> 00:57:40,288
Oh. [sighs]

1193
00:57:40,724 --> 00:57:43,715
-And the entire
audience laughed.
-Okay, we have them.

1194
00:57:43,784 --> 00:57:48,927
It's the greatest performance
ever in a movie
where someone says...

1195
00:57:49,096 --> 00:57:50,297
Oh. [sighs]

1196
00:57:50,466 --> 00:57:53,093
And I realized, okay,
they finally got it.

1197
00:57:53,262 --> 00:57:56,061
We're supposed to have fun.
This movie is crazy.

1198
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:58,138
And from that moment on,
it played great.

1199
00:57:58,307 --> 00:57:59,770
I remember the first screening,

1200
00:57:59,939 --> 00:58:01,768
they give you these little
questionnaires to fill out.

1201
00:58:01,937 --> 00:58:03,644
And the first
question was like,

1202
00:58:03,813 --> 00:58:06,576
"Do you think
the killing of the dog
justifies all this death?"

1203
00:58:06,745 --> 00:58:08,241
And we divided it up
by demographics.

1204
00:58:08,410 --> 00:58:10,946
And I remember the men were
only on board at about 60%.

1205
00:58:11,115 --> 00:58:15,519
But like 98% of the women
were like, "Kill 'em all."

1206
00:58:15,722 --> 00:58:18,252
Because they knew it
was not about a dog.

1207
00:58:26,601 --> 00:58:27,862
[Iwanyk] We had
a really cool movie.

1208
00:58:28,064 --> 00:58:29,769
We had a movie
that I think we were all like,

1209
00:58:29,937 --> 00:58:32,165
"Boy, there's like
a world there
that we never realized."

1210
00:58:32,334 --> 00:58:34,540
And Ian McShane and
Lance Reddick really popped.

1211
00:58:34,743 --> 00:58:37,369
And Willem Dafoe was just cool.
We pulled it off.

1212
00:58:37,571 --> 00:58:40,479
And we should have a number
of domestic studio offers

1213
00:58:40,581 --> 00:58:42,474
because this movie
really works.

1214
00:58:42,910 --> 00:58:48,384
And then, we started to
screen it for the studios,
and everybody passed.

1215
00:58:48,453 --> 00:58:51,455
-Literally everybody passed.
-We didn't sell it?
Like, nobody wants it?

1216
00:58:51,623 --> 00:58:56,722
Like, this is better than
so many movies that I've
been asked to fix. [laughs]

1217
00:58:56,924 --> 00:58:58,164
It was heartbreaking.

1218
00:58:58,333 --> 00:58:59,862
I misread the marketplace,

1219
00:59:00,030 --> 00:59:02,193
and I put these people
in a really tough spot

1220
00:59:02,362 --> 00:59:04,538
because I advocated
making this movie

1221
00:59:04,707 --> 00:59:08,168
and put this movie together
that no one will ever see.

1222
00:59:08,337 --> 00:59:11,377
But someone at Lionsgate said,
"You know what? Fuck it.

1223
00:59:11,546 --> 00:59:13,747
We might as well
take the domestic

1224
00:59:13,949 --> 00:59:16,918
because we've already got the
territories for international."

1225
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,553
There was a separation
between church and state
at Lionsgate at the time.

1226
00:59:19,722 --> 00:59:21,521
There was a domestic piece
and the foreign piece.

1227
00:59:21,689 --> 00:59:25,221
Lionsgate had only
sold the film foreign.

1228
00:59:25,390 --> 00:59:29,088
And so Lionsgate bought it,
but for no MG,
for zero dollars,

1229
00:59:29,290 --> 00:59:31,390
which is, you know,
not a great deal.

1230
00:59:31,525 --> 00:59:33,526
I'm like, "Okay,
that's better than nothing."

1231
00:59:33,928 --> 00:59:36,068
They're not believing in it.
They're not
guaranteeing us theaters.

1232
00:59:36,137 --> 00:59:39,005
But then out of nowhere,
their head of marketing
sends this trailer

1233
00:59:39,174 --> 00:59:40,609
that is awesome.

1234
00:59:43,011 --> 00:59:44,074
No!

1235
00:59:45,208 --> 00:59:46,742
And he's like,
"I could sell this thing."

1236
00:59:46,911 --> 00:59:49,213
This feels like
a Lionsgate movie.

1237
00:59:49,382 --> 00:59:50,382
You working again?

1238
00:59:50,551 --> 00:59:52,546
No, just sorting
some stuff out.

1239
00:59:52,748 --> 00:59:54,446
Let's figure out how to do
this movie, and we are gonna
do a wide release.

1240
00:59:54,748 --> 00:59:56,956
And then
something else happened
which was like a miracle,

1241
00:59:57,025 --> 01:00:00,287
but there was
a slot open in October.
A movie fell out.

1242
01:00:00,489 --> 01:00:03,028
There was this wide-release
action movie called<i> Kingsman,</i>

1243
01:00:03,196 --> 01:00:08,428
and for whatever reason,
they have moved the date
to next spring.

1244
01:00:08,597 --> 01:00:11,634
There's this opening here
in October. Let's go for it.

1245
01:00:11,837 --> 01:00:13,398
Then we were like,
"Okay, well,

1246
01:00:13,567 --> 01:00:16,806
we need to somehow let
people know about this movie

1247
01:00:17,008 --> 01:00:18,546
that's about to come out
in two months."

1248
01:00:18,715 --> 01:00:20,474
And so, the marketing team
says, "You know what?

1249
01:00:20,676 --> 01:00:24,886
We could premiere it
at the Fantastic Fest
Film Festival in Austin,

1250
01:00:25,055 --> 01:00:29,283
and that would be like
a week or two
before our opening weekend."

1251
01:00:29,452 --> 01:00:31,120
We've worked on so many
big action movies before,

1252
01:00:31,289 --> 01:00:33,587
and we've mentored under
a lot of great directors.

1253
01:00:33,756 --> 01:00:36,832
And it's been--
It's really incredible
to get a chance to,

1254
01:00:37,034 --> 01:00:40,427
like, show people what we
can do storytelling-wise
and action-wise.

1255
01:00:42,871 --> 01:00:45,230
We show the movie,
blow the roof off the place.

1256
01:00:45,399 --> 01:00:47,574
People freak out.
Twitter-space goes nuts.

1257
01:00:47,743 --> 01:00:50,272
Fanboys went apeshit for it.
They love it.

1258
01:00:50,441 --> 01:00:52,744
[Constantine]
Then all of a sudden,
reviews start coming in.

1259
01:00:52,913 --> 01:00:55,684
Reviews are fantastic.
Everyone's saying,

1260
01:00:55,886 --> 01:01:00,579
"This is not just
a typical action movie.
This is inspired."

1261
01:01:02,091 --> 01:01:06,692
I was more surprised
that nobody wanted it
in that buyer screening

1262
01:01:06,894 --> 01:01:09,787
than I was when we showed it
for the fanboys,

1263
01:01:09,956 --> 01:01:13,363
who I kind of deep down
knew would like it
because I'm one of them.

1264
01:01:13,566 --> 01:01:16,999
And so, one minute,
we didn't even really have
a theatrical release.

1265
01:01:17,167 --> 01:01:19,501
It was gonna just
go straight to video.

1266
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:22,607
And the next minute,
it's like 1,200 screens.
It's pretty awesome.

1267
01:01:22,776 --> 01:01:25,837
It was a huge win
for all of us, huge.

1268
01:01:26,006 --> 01:01:29,176
But there was one thing
about that first movie
that I was so happy for.

1269
01:01:29,344 --> 01:01:32,147
It reminded the audience
why they love Keanu.

1270
01:01:32,316 --> 01:01:34,423
And it reminded them
that he was a movie star.

1271
01:01:34,625 --> 01:01:36,648
[Wick]<i> People keep</i>
<i> asking if I'm back.</i>

1272
01:01:38,660 --> 01:01:41,353
Yeah,
I'm thinking I'm back.

1273
01:01:41,522 --> 01:01:44,127
And now, you have
an opportunity for a sequel.

1274
01:01:44,329 --> 01:01:49,362
But if we make<i> John Wick 2</i>
and it comes out in six years,

1275
01:01:49,531 --> 01:01:53,366
it doesn't have the same value
in the audience.

1276
01:01:53,535 --> 01:01:58,173
I knew at this moment in time,
we cannot slow down

1277
01:01:58,375 --> 01:02:00,679
with the idea of
if we're making a<i> John Wick 2.</i>

1278
01:02:00,848 --> 01:02:02,749
We couldn't come up
with an idea,

1279
01:02:02,951 --> 01:02:06,554
and Chad and I were attached
to this other project

1280
01:02:06,722 --> 01:02:08,250
that I was really
falling in love with,

1281
01:02:08,452 --> 01:02:11,592
<i> The Coldest City,</i> which is
now called<i> Atomic Blonde.</i>

1282
01:02:11,661 --> 01:02:13,652
I thought we could do it
first together.

1283
01:02:14,154 --> 01:02:17,093
And I don't know,
Chad felt like he really
wanted to do<i> Wick 2</i> next.

1284
01:02:17,162 --> 01:02:20,463
And part of me was like,
I want to do<i> Wick 2.</i>

1285
01:02:20,665 --> 01:02:24,896
But I know there's nobody
they could hire
that could do<i> Wick 2.</i>

1286
01:02:25,065 --> 01:02:28,905
We just-- It was such
a unique thing
that we'd created together.

1287
01:02:29,074 --> 01:02:31,444
It was either
Chad or me or nobody.

1288
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:35,044
Like, who are they gonna hire
to do<i> Wick?</i> And I'm like,
we have time to do<i> Wick.</i>

1289
01:02:35,179 --> 01:02:37,115
This has Charlize.
It's ready to go.

1290
01:02:37,317 --> 01:02:40,346
And we can go
make another movie,
you know, and come back

1291
01:02:40,548 --> 01:02:43,049
and make<i> Wick 2</i>
when we have a great idea.

1292
01:02:43,217 --> 01:02:48,093
And he was like, "Yeah, yeah,
yeah," for a while. And then
he started to get cold feet.

1293
01:02:48,295 --> 01:02:50,389
And I think he really
wanted to stay
in the<i> Wick</i> world.

1294
01:02:50,558 --> 01:02:52,634
And he-- And although
we didn't have a script,

1295
01:02:52,836 --> 01:02:55,597
he's like, I think he
really wanted me to stay, too.

1296
01:02:55,766 --> 01:02:57,968
I think Dave wanted to
direct on his own. We all
want to direct on our own.

1297
01:02:58,171 --> 01:03:00,073
That's directing.
We all want to be on our own.

1298
01:03:00,242 --> 01:03:02,568
The co-directing thing,
if we did three films
together like that,

1299
01:03:02,737 --> 01:03:04,479
yeah, we would have done
three films together like that.

1300
01:03:04,681 --> 01:03:06,647
Long and short of it,
I just went to Chad,

1301
01:03:06,849 --> 01:03:10,285
and I said, "I want to
direct<i> Coldest City."</i>

1302
01:03:10,454 --> 01:03:13,778
Um, and he's like,
"Keanu's got a window. I'm
doing this at the same time.

1303
01:03:13,980 --> 01:03:17,119
So, you got to choose.
And I'm like,
<i> "Coldest City."</i>

1304
01:03:17,288 --> 01:03:20,061
He was just like, "What?
You're gonna do that?

1305
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:22,826
You're gonna leave
our franchise behind?"
I think he felt like that.

1306
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:26,295
I think he
probably said those words.

1307
01:03:26,464 --> 01:03:30,131
It was a big blow. It was--
It was like, oh, my God.

1308
01:03:30,233 --> 01:03:31,971
At the time,
I was fucking furious.

1309
01:03:32,407 --> 01:03:35,637
I was like,
"Are you out of your mind?
Like, this is a franchise.

1310
01:03:35,706 --> 01:03:37,772
Like, we're the luckiest people
in the world.
What are you doing?"

1311
01:03:37,941 --> 01:03:39,306
It was very dramatic.

1312
01:03:39,641 --> 01:03:42,513
And that was the straw.
Like, that was like, okay.

1313
01:03:42,582 --> 01:03:45,952
To me, it sort of felt like
people became
Team Dave or Team Chad.

1314
01:03:46,121 --> 01:03:48,516
It's not like Chad ever said,
"Don't work with Dave."

1315
01:03:48,718 --> 01:03:52,124
Dave was still
a very integral part
of who we all were,

1316
01:03:52,292 --> 01:03:55,492
'cause to us, he was Dave,
no matter what he was to Chad.

1317
01:03:55,661 --> 01:03:58,691
When he left,
it was more just like,
"Oh, man, I miss Uncle Dave.

1318
01:03:59,996 --> 01:04:01,535
He was the cool one."

1319
01:04:01,737 --> 01:04:02,967
So, yeah,
you feel a little bit like,

1320
01:04:03,135 --> 01:04:04,701
"Is it me? Is it them?
Is it that?" You know.

1321
01:04:04,903 --> 01:04:06,634
It felt like I was an asshole.

1322
01:04:06,802 --> 01:04:11,343
Like, you know, of course.
Like, no one
just leaves for no reason.

1323
01:04:11,512 --> 01:04:14,672
Your ego says it's them,
but hopefully
your brain says it's you.

1324
01:04:14,841 --> 01:04:16,718
You kind of-- Maybe it's
something in the middle.

1325
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,646
Up to that point, they
just went their separate ways.

1326
01:04:18,814 --> 01:04:21,685
They ran a business together,
and they were
very close friends.

1327
01:04:21,853 --> 01:04:26,652
But being in the same
creative cockpit, I think
it was too much for Dave,

1328
01:04:26,821 --> 01:04:29,629
and I think Dave was like,
"I want to go do my own shit."

1329
01:04:29,798 --> 01:04:33,328
That made sense to me,
you know?

1330
01:04:33,497 --> 01:04:36,696
I never had, like,
"Oh, Dave's not gonna do it?"

1331
01:04:36,865 --> 01:04:40,075
That was like,
"Oh, yeah, right.
You're both directors,

1332
01:04:40,277 --> 01:04:45,209
and one's gonna go do that,
and another one's
gonna do this."

1333
01:04:45,378 --> 01:04:49,175
I was just glad Chad said,
"Yeah, let's do it." [laughs]

1334
01:04:49,344 --> 01:04:52,646
'Cause if he hadn't have
said that, I don't know
what would have happened.

1335
01:04:53,455 --> 01:04:54,522
I don't know.

1336
01:04:54,724 --> 01:04:56,017
I know you called
for<i> John Wick 2.</i>

1337
01:04:56,185 --> 01:04:57,492
[both] "Do you want to do it?"

1338
01:04:57,661 --> 01:04:59,223
I'm like,
"What are you thinking?"

1339
01:04:59,392 --> 01:05:00,693
And he's like, "Look, all
I know is we just got to know

1340
01:05:00,862 --> 01:05:02,589
-why we're gonna do it again."
-Yeah.

1341
01:05:02,791 --> 01:05:04,590
But we didn't have a script.
We didn't have any ideas.

1342
01:05:04,793 --> 01:05:08,167
We really didn't know
why the first movie worked.

1343
01:05:08,336 --> 01:05:10,934
I know it sounds dopey to say,
but it's not a science, right?

1344
01:05:11,136 --> 01:05:12,365
[Stahelski]
They came back and said,

1345
01:05:12,534 --> 01:05:14,370
"So you guys think
you're pretty clever.

1346
01:05:14,705 --> 01:05:16,504
Let's see what you got
for<i> John Wick 2.</i> "
I know, right?

1347
01:05:16,573 --> 01:05:18,507
Usually, when people talked
about<i> John Wick 1,</i>

1348
01:05:18,676 --> 01:05:21,178
they were like, "Yeah, the dog.
I mean, geez, that was great."

1349
01:05:21,347 --> 01:05:22,740
And we're like,
"We don't have a dog anymore."

1350
01:05:22,909 --> 01:05:24,343
What are you gonna do?
You gonna kill the dog again?

1351
01:05:24,512 --> 01:05:26,418
-Kill a cat?
-Kill the parakeet?

1352
01:05:26,587 --> 01:05:28,883
-What are we doing?
-It would've been laughable
if we did it again.

1353
01:05:29,052 --> 01:05:31,583
And so, we're like,
"Well, what-- Fuck.
What are we gonna do here?"

1354
01:05:31,752 --> 01:05:33,887
And so, creatively,
it was a big challenge

1355
01:05:34,090 --> 01:05:37,864
about how do we emotionally
connect the audience
to what's going on.

1356
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,398
We kind of killed ourselves
on the second one

1357
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,262
because we didn't want it to be
<i>John Wick 1</i> and<i> 2</i> and done.

1358
01:05:44,431 --> 01:05:48,900
When you think of franchises
that get to 3 and 4, beyond,
they did the sequel right.

1359
01:05:49,069 --> 01:05:52,712
A movie is not a franchise
until you've made
a second movie

1360
01:05:52,881 --> 01:05:55,774
and the second movie worked,
right?

1361
01:05:55,943 --> 01:05:59,543
Once you have two movies work,
now you have a franchise.

1362
01:05:59,712 --> 01:06:01,217
That was probably
the most stressful.

1363
01:06:01,386 --> 01:06:04,717
It was like, "Did we
get lucky or are we good?"

1364
01:06:04,886 --> 01:06:08,158
[Kolstad] We went through,
I want to say a hundred ideas.

1365
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,993
Massive universe builds,
Nigerian mob, the triad,

1366
01:06:12,195 --> 01:06:13,992
any number of iterations.

1367
01:06:14,194 --> 01:06:17,105
It's not like we talk about it,
hand the script off
to a writer,

1368
01:06:17,274 --> 01:06:20,065
and then,
"See you in six months."
Like, Keanu's writing is like,

1369
01:06:20,234 --> 01:06:24,109
out of the blue he'll text me
a scene, and then
I'll have a set piece.

1370
01:06:24,278 --> 01:06:25,910
He'll text me, "I was thinking,
John Wick should"--

1371
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:27,907
And it's like
two pages of dialogue.

1372
01:06:28,075 --> 01:06:30,111
We don't know
where to put it yet,
but we know it's a scene.

1373
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,245
You know,
I write for Winston.

1374
01:06:32,413 --> 01:06:35,082
I write
for the Bowery King.

1375
01:06:35,251 --> 01:06:38,085
I write for John.
I'll write scenes. You know,
I'll send pitches of scenes.

1376
01:06:38,253 --> 01:06:41,455
Full scenes. But they all have,
like, "We want this to say,
the theme is this."

1377
01:06:41,624 --> 01:06:43,157
Yeah. Right.
"The scene should be
about this."

1378
01:06:43,325 --> 01:06:44,964
And then, how do we get there?

1379
01:06:45,132 --> 01:06:47,197
It comes together
in the most haphazard way,

1380
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,264
and it's kind of like that
for like six months.

1381
01:06:49,433 --> 01:06:51,205
Just, "We don't know!
We don't know!"

1382
01:06:51,407 --> 01:06:54,098
For the first one,
it was just a handful
of people in the trenches.

1383
01:06:54,267 --> 01:06:57,979
And the second one,
it was a thousand people
in the command center.

1384
01:06:58,148 --> 01:07:00,972
And the third one, you're
just like, what in the hell?

1385
01:07:01,174 --> 01:07:03,808
But that was the hardest job
I've ever had,
was<i> John Wick 2.</i>

1386
01:07:03,977 --> 01:07:10,223
No one gets out and comes back
without repercussions.

1387
01:07:11,790 --> 01:07:14,225
[Iwanyk] There were two things
that broke the dam
on the development.

1388
01:07:14,427 --> 01:07:16,727
One was the marker,
and then the idea of, like,

1389
01:07:16,929 --> 01:07:18,190
we wanted to go to Rome.

1390
01:07:18,359 --> 01:07:20,993
[tense music playing]

1391
01:07:21,161 --> 01:07:22,903
[Stahelski]
I remember we talked
a couple of times, going,

1392
01:07:23,106 --> 01:07:24,565
"What if there's a Continental
in every city?"

1393
01:07:24,767 --> 01:07:26,070
I said, "Where do you
want to go?" And you're like,

1394
01:07:26,272 --> 01:07:27,634
"Where's one of the old--
What's cool?"

1395
01:07:27,803 --> 01:07:29,805
[Reeves] Rome.
[Stahelski]
Then we're like,

1396
01:07:29,974 --> 01:07:31,677
well, how does he
get called back in? Well,
he's got to have a marker.

1397
01:07:31,845 --> 01:07:33,515
Somebody...
I think...

1398
01:07:33,683 --> 01:07:34,913
Marker,
I think, was Derek--

1399
01:07:35,116 --> 01:07:37,210
Derek? No,
Derek came up with the marker.

1400
01:07:37,379 --> 01:07:40,515
And then, Derek and I sat down
and went, well, what if
the marker is like a check?

1401
01:07:40,684 --> 01:07:43,518
Yeah.
You can buy something.
You trade it with it.

1402
01:07:43,687 --> 01:07:49,058
If you don't do this,
you know the consequences.

1403
01:07:49,226 --> 01:07:51,759
I'm not that guy anymore.

1404
01:07:55,232 --> 01:07:57,369
You are always that guy, John.

1405
01:07:58,537 --> 01:08:01,008
You give somebody a marker,
you have to honor it.

1406
01:08:01,177 --> 01:08:04,009
Otherwise, you risk
being on the open market.

1407
01:08:04,178 --> 01:08:05,840
It's a whole
arcane world of its own.

1408
01:08:06,008 --> 01:08:07,376
Market.

1409
01:08:07,545 --> 01:08:09,847
It's wonderful bullshit,
you know? Wonderful.

1410
01:08:10,016 --> 01:08:11,846
[Winston speaking Italian]

1411
01:08:12,015 --> 01:08:14,718
We're kind of all
under the table
in this weird, twisted world.

1412
01:08:14,887 --> 01:08:17,456
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of
like the development
of it, right?

1413
01:08:17,658 --> 01:08:20,691
I mean, the high table
was introduced
in the second one as well.

1414
01:08:20,860 --> 01:08:23,361
[Stahelski] Number two
is where we really kind of
found our feet, I think.

1415
01:08:23,530 --> 01:08:25,130
-[Reeves] Yeah.
-[Stahelski]
With the whole world.

1416
01:08:25,333 --> 01:08:27,258
The<i> John Wick</i> world
that it would become.

1417
01:08:27,427 --> 01:08:30,463
[Stahelski]
When you're trying to do
new or fresh or sell an idea,

1418
01:08:30,665 --> 01:08:32,239
a picture's worth
a thousand words.

1419
01:08:32,407 --> 01:08:35,272
So I will usually storyboard
a scene before I write a scene.

1420
01:08:35,407 --> 01:08:37,077
[Harris] The thing
about working with Chad,

1421
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,276
it's like working
on a college film
with your buddies,

1422
01:08:39,345 --> 01:08:40,572
and you guys spend
most of your time

1423
01:08:40,908 --> 01:08:42,478
watching kung fu movies
and anime together.

1424
01:08:42,547 --> 01:08:44,717
And all of a sudden,
you gotta do a project.

1425
01:08:44,885 --> 01:08:47,913
So that's kind of how it was
'cause we would geek out
about the same things.

1426
01:08:48,082 --> 01:08:50,719
[Stahelski] Todd is part of
my inner circle creatively.

1427
01:08:50,887 --> 01:08:53,651
He's someone I like to riff
with, not just about visuals,

1428
01:08:53,853 --> 01:08:55,892
but about story arcs,
characters.

1429
01:08:56,061 --> 01:09:00,491
On top of that, he's incredibly
gifted with a great eye,
with perspective.

1430
01:09:00,693 --> 01:09:03,838
They throw some ideas at me.
I throw some back at them
or bounce them off the writer,

1431
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,473
take those ideas,
put those in the script.

1432
01:09:06,642 --> 01:09:08,937
[Stahelski]
I'll tweak, he'll tweak,
go back and around and around

1433
01:09:09,106 --> 01:09:11,336
and around and around.
And it won't stop
till the day we shoot.

1434
01:09:11,538 --> 01:09:15,148
It helps everyone's imagination
see the scale of
what you're trying to do,

1435
01:09:15,317 --> 01:09:17,451
the depth, the color,
the pattern, the framing.

1436
01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:20,982
[Harris] It was always
about getting into
the psychology of John Wick,

1437
01:09:21,151 --> 01:09:24,856
what kind of character he is,
what visually signifies
who this guy is

1438
01:09:25,058 --> 01:09:25,988
and what makes him different.

1439
01:09:26,157 --> 01:09:27,995
This is very much noir

1440
01:09:28,164 --> 01:09:31,296
filtered through kind of
a digital MTV aesthetic.

1441
01:09:31,465 --> 01:09:33,232
We kind of made the decision,
like, what do we love?

1442
01:09:33,434 --> 01:09:35,100
And we wrote it up on the...
"We love<i> wuxia</i> films.

1443
01:09:35,302 --> 01:09:37,530
We love<i> chambara</i> films.
We love Westerns.

1444
01:09:37,733 --> 01:09:39,468
We love John Ford.
We love Sergio Leone.

1445
01:09:39,637 --> 01:09:41,606
We love Bernardo Bertolucci.
We love Tarkovsky.

1446
01:09:41,775 --> 01:09:46,009
We love Wong Kar-Wai.
We love Zhang Yimou,
you know, Akira Kurosawa.

1447
01:09:46,178 --> 01:09:47,509
We love Steven Spielberg."

1448
01:09:47,678 --> 01:09:50,183
All these great directors
of action at the time,

1449
01:09:50,352 --> 01:09:53,185
or storytelling,
and we just went,
"Well, fuck it.

1450
01:09:53,354 --> 01:09:54,986
We're just gonna
combine everything we love

1451
01:09:55,154 --> 01:09:56,717
and build our own franchise."

1452
01:09:56,919 --> 01:09:58,550
I think one of the best things
about<i> John Wick</i> is

1453
01:09:58,753 --> 01:10:00,224
it wasn't an
existing IP already.

1454
01:10:00,426 --> 01:10:03,829
Yeah.
You know, so,
there was no rules.

1455
01:10:03,997 --> 01:10:05,229
Yeah.
We could make...

1456
01:10:05,431 --> 01:10:06,625
We could steer John Wick
wherever we wanted.

1457
01:10:06,794 --> 01:10:08,200
We could do
whatever we wanted.

1458
01:10:08,369 --> 01:10:10,128
We're like, I don't know,
is he that guy?

1459
01:10:10,297 --> 01:10:11,831
Sure, he's that guy.
He loves Mustangs.
He's that guy.

1460
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,165
Is he this guy? Does he like...
Ah, he's that guy.

1461
01:10:14,334 --> 01:10:16,508
-Like, he speaks
all these languages.
-[Wick speaking Italian]

1462
01:10:16,677 --> 01:10:18,512
It's like every movie
we could reinvent him
a little bit.

1463
01:10:18,681 --> 01:10:19,980
I know, I love it.

1464
01:10:20,316 --> 01:10:23,713
[director] Ready, and three,
two, one. Action!

1465
01:10:26,214 --> 01:10:28,723
[Iwanyk] All the<i> Wick</i> movies
are very,
very difficult to shoot.

1466
01:10:28,891 --> 01:10:30,819
None of them are easy, at all.

1467
01:10:30,988 --> 01:10:32,555
Fuck.

1468
01:10:32,791 --> 01:10:35,089
[Iwanyk] But<i> 2</i> was hard,
but I think we were all like,

1469
01:10:35,225 --> 01:10:37,257
"Do you believe this shit?
We're here again.
This is incredible."

1470
01:10:37,459 --> 01:10:38,533
<i>John Wick: Chapter 2.</i>

1471
01:10:38,702 --> 01:10:39,834
Like he never left.

1472
01:10:40,003 --> 01:10:42,262
[Iwanyk] And Keanu
was just so happy.

1473
01:10:42,464 --> 01:10:45,534
He starts working out and
training four or five months
before he starts shooting.

1474
01:10:45,703 --> 01:10:47,540
And I don't mean like
every couple of days.

1475
01:10:47,709 --> 01:10:50,507
I mean like five,
six days a week.
It's a full-time job for him.

1476
01:10:50,676 --> 01:10:52,875
But for Keanu,
it's where he's the happiest.

1477
01:10:53,043 --> 01:10:54,278
My bad.

1478
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:55,910
[director] Good take,
good take, good take.

1479
01:10:56,652 --> 01:10:57,919
Going again.

1480
01:10:57,988 --> 01:10:59,250
I think
you'd like to have,

1481
01:10:59,586 --> 01:11:00,946
I mean, I like it too
when John Wick suffers,

1482
01:11:01,081 --> 01:11:03,249
but I think you like it
when Reeves suffers too.

1483
01:11:03,418 --> 01:11:04,591
Um... [chuckles]

1484
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:05,953
Not gonna say no.

1485
01:11:08,322 --> 01:11:12,796
When you see Keanu in pain on
screen, it's probably for real.

1486
01:11:12,998 --> 01:11:14,225
Bad knee.

1487
01:11:14,901 --> 01:11:16,036
Bad knee.

1488
01:11:16,205 --> 01:11:17,899
[Marinas]
His knee doesn't work,

1489
01:11:18,068 --> 01:11:20,637
his right shoulder
doesn't work,
and his neck has a fusion.

1490
01:11:20,839 --> 01:11:24,445
So when you see John Wick
limping, that's Keanu limping.

1491
01:11:24,613 --> 01:11:25,643
[grunts]

1492
01:11:27,743 --> 01:11:29,545
[Iwanyk]
Chad told Keanu early on,

1493
01:11:29,714 --> 01:11:31,885
"I'm gonna push you
past your comfort zone."

1494
01:11:32,054 --> 01:11:33,482
And Keanu was like,
"Do it."

1495
01:11:33,684 --> 01:11:36,256
Now on<i> 1</i> and<i> 2,</i>
it was kind of healthy.

1496
01:11:36,458 --> 01:11:38,658
On<i> 3</i> and<i> 4,</i> it was
becoming like almost barbaric.

1497
01:11:38,894 --> 01:11:43,793
But Keanu would never
ever, ever, ever, ever
in a million years tap out.

1498
01:11:45,258 --> 01:11:49,064
[Spidell] Keanu's work ethic
and training regimen

1499
01:11:49,233 --> 01:11:52,965
that he wants to do
for these movies
was just really impressive.

1500
01:11:53,134 --> 01:11:54,999
[Schultz] First thing
you see Keanu walk on set.

1501
01:11:55,201 --> 01:11:57,337
He can barely move.
He's got his head down.

1502
01:11:57,573 --> 01:12:02,314
He just looks like he's been
beat to shit for the last
two months because he has.

1503
01:12:02,450 --> 01:12:08,349
Um, I guess we can start here.
And then there.

1504
01:12:08,551 --> 01:12:10,358
And then we add,
this is fun.

1505
01:12:11,289 --> 01:12:12,986
That one's not bad.

1506
01:12:13,155 --> 01:12:15,129
Got a little rug burn.
[Stahelski]
Those carpet burns?

1507
01:12:15,297 --> 01:12:16,921
Yeah.
[Stahelski]
You already got the job.

1508
01:12:17,090 --> 01:12:18,428
Right there,
got a little bit there.

1509
01:12:18,597 --> 01:12:20,368
[Stahelski]
Action star.
[person laughs]

1510
01:12:21,836 --> 01:12:22,934
John Wick.

1511
01:12:23,136 --> 01:12:24,468
[Spidell] For<i> Wick 1,</i>

1512
01:12:24,637 --> 01:12:27,005
it was really kind of
starting from ground zero.

1513
01:12:27,174 --> 01:12:28,201
Building up from nothing.

1514
01:12:28,403 --> 01:12:29,839
[grunting]

1515
01:12:31,338 --> 01:12:33,543
[Valera] It wasn't gonna
be the typical punch-kick.

1516
01:12:33,745 --> 01:12:36,879
It was gonna be more gritty,
hard-style, messy.

1517
01:12:38,311 --> 01:12:40,647
So, we had to kind of
beat on him a little bit.

1518
01:12:40,783 --> 01:12:42,421
Get him used to contact.
You know,

1519
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:44,583
just grabbing on to
one of the guys
and pulling him in.

1520
01:12:44,652 --> 01:12:45,984
That was just a drill.

1521
01:12:46,186 --> 01:12:48,527
He would just do that
for 20, 30 minutes.

1522
01:12:48,663 --> 01:12:52,495
And then, pull him in, step,
pull him in, step. [exhales]

1523
01:12:52,664 --> 01:12:56,170
We sit there and we do rolls
for 15 minutes

1524
01:12:56,338 --> 01:12:59,204
and then break falls
for another 15 minutes.

1525
01:12:59,373 --> 01:13:02,305
Like that alone is
taxing on anybody.

1526
01:13:02,474 --> 01:13:04,741
I wish I could
get an ice bath.

1527
01:13:04,943 --> 01:13:06,639
[crew member] I'll get it.
[crew member 2]
Still rolling.

1528
01:13:06,808 --> 01:13:09,010
Ice bath.
I need an ice bath.

1529
01:13:09,944 --> 01:13:12,247
[crew member
talking indistinctly]

1530
01:13:12,449 --> 01:13:16,488
[Marinas] In the training room,
I got so used to
four months of him collapsing

1531
01:13:16,657 --> 01:13:19,158
on the ground, coughing
for ten minutes straight.

1532
01:13:19,327 --> 01:13:22,322
-[imitates coughing]
-[coughing]

1533
01:13:22,491 --> 01:13:26,233
[Marinas] He sounds like
he's gonna die between
every take of rehearsal.

1534
01:13:26,402 --> 01:13:28,669
I've seen him go
straight to the bathroom.

1535
01:13:28,838 --> 01:13:32,370
Like he's done that.
He's definitely barfed
during training.

1536
01:13:32,539 --> 01:13:35,042
He would go in the bathroom,
come back out,

1537
01:13:35,211 --> 01:13:37,541
just white face
and just be like,

1538
01:13:37,709 --> 01:13:41,041
"All right, what's next?
Where we going?"

1539
01:13:41,210 --> 01:13:44,914
Which I think for all of us
was just like, "Fuck yeah."

1540
01:13:47,185 --> 01:13:49,281
[grunting]

1541
01:13:52,493 --> 01:13:54,252
Chad used to get a camera
and he goes,

1542
01:13:54,421 --> 01:13:57,190
"I want Reeves to do 50 throws
before he leaves, in a row."

1543
01:13:59,826 --> 01:14:02,936
And he's like in New York
and I'm in LA,
but he puts a camera there.

1544
01:14:03,105 --> 01:14:04,635
So I'm training Reeves.

1545
01:14:04,838 --> 01:14:07,574
And then, it's like,
he does like take-- He does 30.

1546
01:14:10,009 --> 01:14:12,873
And he's dying.
Like he's fucking
like passing out.

1547
01:14:13,042 --> 01:14:14,772
And I'm like, "Ah,
we should let him go."

1548
01:14:14,908 --> 01:14:16,947
'Cause whatever, right?

1549
01:14:17,349 --> 01:14:19,844
Then I get a text.
It's like, "No, that's
number"-- Like he counts it.

1550
01:14:19,913 --> 01:14:21,787
"That's like number 31."

1551
01:14:21,956 --> 01:14:24,591
You know what I mean?
I'm like looking. Right?
He's watching.

1552
01:14:25,757 --> 01:14:28,091
So, it's like, he had--
he had to do it.

1553
01:14:28,260 --> 01:14:29,728
It's nuts, man.

1554
01:14:32,096 --> 01:14:35,230
He knows Keanu so well.
He knows like
how much he can do.

1555
01:14:35,399 --> 01:14:39,104
I'm like, "Dude,
he's not g-- [chuckling]
He's gonna die, right?"

1556
01:14:39,272 --> 01:14:42,600
Like most people are just
like... They would have,
like, stopped for sure.

1557
01:14:42,769 --> 01:14:46,471
So he knows how much you can
push him, not just physically,
but mentally.

1558
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,114
[grunting]

1559
01:14:49,283 --> 01:14:51,846
[Stahelski] When you know
you have someone as your
lead actor go down those roads,

1560
01:14:52,048 --> 01:14:54,418
you have a whole nother
level of opportunities

1561
01:14:54,587 --> 01:14:55,949
that a lot of
directors don't have.

1562
01:14:56,118 --> 01:14:58,590
There's actors that
directors meet on the day.

1563
01:14:58,759 --> 01:15:00,990
You know, I knew Keanu for
years before I directed him.

1564
01:15:01,159 --> 01:15:03,995
I don't know if you realize
what kind of advantage that is.

1565
01:15:04,164 --> 01:15:07,593
[Prescott] No better union
could have happened
in the film business

1566
01:15:07,762 --> 01:15:08,960
than Chad and Keanu.

1567
01:15:09,129 --> 01:15:11,831
Keanu is the hardest
training actor

1568
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,002
I've ever worked with,
right?

1569
01:15:14,171 --> 01:15:16,801
He's so committed,
but it's the same as Chad.

1570
01:15:16,970 --> 01:15:18,012
They're both the same.

1571
01:15:18,314 --> 01:15:20,513
They see something
in their head,

1572
01:15:20,582 --> 01:15:25,716
and they will both bleed
profusely to achieve it.

1573
01:15:25,919 --> 01:15:28,813
Do you remember
the origin
of<i> "Wick</i> is pain"?

1574
01:15:28,982 --> 01:15:31,448
Day one? [chuckles]
No.

1575
01:15:31,650 --> 01:15:34,859
<i> "Wick</i> is pain" didn't
evolve until<i> John Wick...</i>

1576
01:15:37,261 --> 01:15:38,324
<i> 3.</i>

1577
01:15:39,666 --> 01:15:41,701
I think it was
during the antique fight.

1578
01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:44,133
My knee had blown up.
[Stahelski] Oh, my God,
I remember that.

1579
01:15:44,301 --> 01:15:46,800
[Reeves]
The first week of shooting
and I'm sitting there,

1580
01:15:46,969 --> 01:15:49,507
and I'm like... [groans]
And I think,

1581
01:15:49,709 --> 01:15:53,272
in the fog of our...
in the fog of<i> Wick,</i>

1582
01:15:53,341 --> 01:15:55,141
I think
I was sitting there
and then you--

1583
01:15:55,611 --> 01:15:58,543
Like, I was there
and maybe I was like,
"Hey, how's it going?"

1584
01:15:58,612 --> 01:16:02,013
And you looked at me and you
were like,<i> "Wick</i> is pain."

1585
01:16:02,182 --> 01:16:04,150
[chuckles]
And then you-- [chuckles]

1586
01:16:04,319 --> 01:16:06,159
That sounded like something
a director would say.

1587
01:16:06,327 --> 01:16:07,856
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[chuckles]

1588
01:16:08,025 --> 01:16:10,190
I remember that.
Your knee was fucking swollen.

1589
01:16:10,359 --> 01:16:12,896
It wasn't that bad,
but it was
a little swollen.

1590
01:16:13,032 --> 01:16:14,966
We were trying to get Patrick
and to get the doctor in.

1591
01:16:15,335 --> 01:16:18,730
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and I had the thing and
it was a bit of a situation.

1592
01:16:18,799 --> 01:16:21,232
But that's my recollection
of when like...
That's the etymology--

1593
01:16:21,435 --> 01:16:25,068
...of when<i> "Wick</i> is pain"
became formalized.

1594
01:16:25,237 --> 01:16:26,776
[Prescott]
I think with Chad,

1595
01:16:26,978 --> 01:16:29,044
there needs to be
a healthy amount of suffering

1596
01:16:29,213 --> 01:16:33,144
that is in direct relation
with the success of the film.

1597
01:16:33,346 --> 01:16:35,680
When we were on
the first<i> John Wick</i>

1598
01:16:35,849 --> 01:16:39,025
and we were doing the fight
at the Navy Yard
at the end of the film,

1599
01:16:39,194 --> 01:16:40,558
and it's freezing

1600
01:16:40,727 --> 01:16:43,457
and it's rain
and it's terrible,

1601
01:16:43,660 --> 01:16:45,091
he was-- he was so--

1602
01:16:45,426 --> 01:16:46,792
I don't think I've seen him
that happy before.

1603
01:16:46,861 --> 01:16:48,535
He loved it, you know?

1604
01:16:48,704 --> 01:16:50,634
And I'm sure Reeves
was right there with him.

1605
01:16:50,836 --> 01:16:53,067
They're just both
miserable suffering.

1606
01:16:53,236 --> 01:16:55,439
Anything hard is always
gonna be a little painful.

1607
01:16:55,608 --> 01:16:57,736
Is good.
Yeah, that's good.

1608
01:16:57,905 --> 01:17:00,948
I mean, honestly,
if it didn't hurt, if we
weren't stressed out by it...

1609
01:17:01,117 --> 01:17:04,041
I mean, it's more than just
the stunts. Like we'd be
working on the script.

1610
01:17:04,210 --> 01:17:05,949
Yeah.
Trying to figure out...

1611
01:17:06,118 --> 01:17:09,214
And then that's-- that's
a different kind of pain.

1612
01:17:09,383 --> 01:17:10,654
When you're trying to
figure out these scenes,

1613
01:17:10,856 --> 01:17:12,893
you can sense that
there's something cool,

1614
01:17:13,062 --> 01:17:15,488
we could do something
really neat, but it's--
You can't quite get it.

1615
01:17:15,690 --> 01:17:19,499
And I think that's sometimes
more painful than the--
[chuckles]

1616
01:17:19,701 --> 01:17:22,767
Well, almost as painful
as getting hit by a bus.

1617
01:17:22,936 --> 01:17:25,896
Could you recommend anything
for the end of the night?

1618
01:17:26,065 --> 01:17:28,099
Something big, bold?

1619
01:17:28,268 --> 01:17:31,745
May I suggest
the Benelli M4?

1620
01:17:36,776 --> 01:17:38,749
This is where we wanted
to up the action
a little bit,

1621
01:17:38,918 --> 01:17:40,617
so we started Keanu training
with Taran Butler,

1622
01:17:40,786 --> 01:17:42,250
the three-gun
champion of the world.

1623
01:17:43,585 --> 01:17:44,857
[beep]

1624
01:17:52,034 --> 01:17:55,395
I didn't know that
I was getting gun hands
in<i> John Wick 1,</i>

1625
01:17:55,597 --> 01:18:00,631
but in<i> Chapter 2,</i> I was like,
"The manipulations. Oh, yeah."

1626
01:18:03,777 --> 01:18:05,172
[Stahelski] We went
from<i> John Wick 1,</i>

1627
01:18:05,341 --> 01:18:08,508
where it was like 100 rounds
at a shooting session,

1628
01:18:08,676 --> 01:18:11,983
to when we got to Taran
on number two,
it was like 3,000 rounds.

1629
01:18:12,152 --> 01:18:13,446
Yes.

1630
01:18:21,530 --> 01:18:22,994
Did I not hit it?
[trainer] Nope.

1631
01:18:24,028 --> 01:18:26,159
Chad's obsessed
with weaponry and guns,

1632
01:18:26,327 --> 01:18:28,061
and I think always
like the cutting edge

1633
01:18:28,263 --> 01:18:30,227
of what would be next
and what we could do.

1634
01:18:30,329 --> 01:18:32,201
[guests screaming]
[gunfire]

1635
01:18:32,637 --> 01:18:35,873
[Iwanyk] The airsoft thing
at the time we thought
was not revolutionary,

1636
01:18:35,941 --> 01:18:37,641
but we were like,
"This is incredible."

1637
01:18:37,810 --> 01:18:39,746
But it was like 70%
of what we wanted.

1638
01:18:39,948 --> 01:18:43,675
As we increased
the sophistication
of the weaponry,

1639
01:18:43,844 --> 01:18:46,477
Chad was like,
"I want to be able to do
an enormous amount of gunplay.

1640
01:18:46,646 --> 01:18:48,819
I never want to worry about it,
and I hate airsofts."

1641
01:18:48,955 --> 01:18:50,957
And I'm like, "Well,
that leaves us nowhere."

1642
01:18:51,326 --> 01:18:54,460
Because we can't
have blanks, obviously.
It can't be plastic guns.

1643
01:18:54,529 --> 01:18:58,664
You've got to remember,
Chad was Brandon Lee's
stunt double in<i> The Crow,</i>

1644
01:18:58,832 --> 01:19:00,700
so Chad more so
than I think any person

1645
01:19:00,869 --> 01:19:02,361
that comes out of
the stunt world in Hollywood

1646
01:19:02,563 --> 01:19:05,998
is hypervigilant and aware
of gun safety on a set.

1647
01:19:06,133 --> 01:19:07,497
That's bad.
Yeah, yeah.

1648
01:19:07,733 --> 01:19:09,933
[Iwanyk] And a lot of the
gunfire is close combat.

1649
01:19:10,036 --> 01:19:12,577
And so, how do you
do that with, you know,
a gun that looks real?

1650
01:19:12,746 --> 01:19:14,711
So, you are
the speed of light.

1651
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,282
I'm gonna
name the gun that.

1652
01:19:16,484 --> 01:19:18,178
Speed of light.
All right.

1653
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:19,884
[Marinas] But then
Chad found Taran,

1654
01:19:20,319 --> 01:19:24,455
and they actually found
the secret sauce
of plugging guns.

1655
01:19:24,524 --> 01:19:29,387
Chad likes to have so much
close contact action
that he solid plugs everything.

1656
01:19:29,556 --> 01:19:32,357
What that means is
a normal blank gun in a movie,

1657
01:19:32,526 --> 01:19:34,526
when you fire it,
the flame comes out the front.

1658
01:19:34,695 --> 01:19:37,264
When he solid plugs it,
you don't get that anymore.

1659
01:19:37,433 --> 01:19:40,104
You get the ejection
of the casing flying out,

1660
01:19:40,273 --> 01:19:42,543
you get the reloads,
you get the smoke,
you get all that.

1661
01:19:42,711 --> 01:19:45,539
The action's operating,
but it's safe.

1662
01:19:45,707 --> 01:19:47,809
You can go right up
against somebody
and pull the trigger.

1663
01:19:48,011 --> 01:19:49,242
It's not going to hurt them.

1664
01:19:49,411 --> 01:19:51,381
As soon as you put a blank
with a blank gun,

1665
01:19:51,550 --> 01:19:53,614
you're basically
shooting a pistol
that's been fitted for blanks.

1666
01:19:53,783 --> 01:19:56,454
And you can get wadded.
I've been sprayed
a thousand times with wadding.

1667
01:19:56,623 --> 01:19:58,053
I've been shot and burned.

1668
01:19:58,222 --> 01:19:59,788
Nobody can get killed
with a solid plug gun.

1669
01:19:59,957 --> 01:20:01,455
Nothing comes out of the front.

1670
01:20:02,794 --> 01:20:04,158
[shells clattering on floor]

1671
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,130
And now the gun cycles.
It's totally safe.

1672
01:20:06,299 --> 01:20:08,432
You can have
your hand in the front.
It won't do anything.

1673
01:20:08,601 --> 01:20:13,470
There was also a very
big benefit audio-wise
for the stunt performers.

1674
01:20:13,639 --> 01:20:14,905
Things are going on.

1675
01:20:15,074 --> 01:20:16,302
There's a hundred guys
Keanu is fighting,

1676
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:18,006
so people are yelling,
making kung fu noises.

1677
01:20:18,208 --> 01:20:20,007
So, the fact that
we had a plugged gun

1678
01:20:20,209 --> 01:20:22,308
that actually
sounded like a real gun,

1679
01:20:22,476 --> 01:20:24,145
you know, it was easier
for our stuntpeople

1680
01:20:24,314 --> 01:20:27,316
to take their cues off
the sounds of the guns.

1681
01:20:30,318 --> 01:20:32,158
[both chuckle]
That was awesome.

1682
01:20:32,327 --> 01:20:33,521
I like that press.

1683
01:20:33,723 --> 01:20:35,953
Ah. So fun.

1684
01:20:36,122 --> 01:20:39,328
-Now we're just gonna
slap on the Benelli.
-We better get that shotgun.

1685
01:20:39,894 --> 01:20:41,594
[grunting]

1686
01:20:45,003 --> 01:20:47,302
-Oh, yeah. Match saver.
-Match saver.

1687
01:20:47,471 --> 01:20:50,438
When he runs out of ammo,
this is called the match saver.

1688
01:20:50,607 --> 01:20:53,606
In the old-school way,
you'd have to reach down
to your belt,

1689
01:20:54,850 --> 01:20:57,508
grab a shell, drop it in,
and drop the bolt.

1690
01:20:57,677 --> 01:21:00,784
And that takes, like,
almost two seconds.

1691
01:21:00,953 --> 01:21:03,355
This way, I'm shooting,
I run empty,

1692
01:21:03,524 --> 01:21:04,656
I know immediately.

1693
01:21:04,858 --> 01:21:06,520
I throw it in
and hit the bolt.

1694
01:21:09,198 --> 01:21:12,963
-Also on that one
did the jacket pull draw.
-Jacket pull draw. Yeah.

1695
01:21:13,132 --> 01:21:14,831
Jacket pull draw.
[Reeves] Jacket pull draw.

1696
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,796
Very slick.
So good. Jacket pull draw.

1697
01:21:22,477 --> 01:21:25,473
[Stahelski] A lot of the DNA,
like we say, is always
in the first one, right?

1698
01:21:25,642 --> 01:21:28,347
But I keep going back
to number two
as the real experiment.

1699
01:21:28,516 --> 01:21:30,478
[EDM music playing]

1700
01:21:34,713 --> 01:21:36,152
[Stahelski]<i> John Wick</i>
rock concert.

1701
01:21:36,321 --> 01:21:38,249
See, where's Dave now?
This is his cup of tea.

1702
01:21:38,451 --> 01:21:40,092
Dave would be up there rapping.

1703
01:21:41,855 --> 01:21:44,197
When we were in Rome and we
were doing the concert stuff,

1704
01:21:44,366 --> 01:21:46,923
that was when we decided,
okay, we have
this huge crowd of people.

1705
01:21:47,125 --> 01:21:49,861
We have music going,
like, how kooky
are we gonna get here?

1706
01:21:50,030 --> 01:21:52,438
Like, is John Wick
really gonna run up on stage
and shoot somebody?

1707
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:53,666
We're like, yeah.
Yeah.

1708
01:21:58,003 --> 01:21:59,704
[Stahelski] This is where we
were like, okay, we're going.

1709
01:21:59,873 --> 01:22:01,849
The crowd's cheering for
shooting people in the head.

1710
01:22:02,018 --> 01:22:04,276
So, it's kind of like
Red Circle
from the first one.

1711
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:05,851
[Stahelski] We do
like a club scene.

1712
01:22:06,053 --> 01:22:08,715
That whole concert, for me,
it came together

1713
01:22:08,851 --> 01:22:11,221
so big and so larger than life,
and when we heard
the music going

1714
01:22:11,390 --> 01:22:13,591
it was like,
"Okay, we got to pump
this up a little bit."

1715
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,288
Then it was you like,
"I'm gonna jump down the
stairs. We're just gonna go.

1716
01:22:16,490 --> 01:22:17,897
I'm gonna run
through the crowd."

1717
01:22:18,066 --> 01:22:20,125
It was this different kind
of energy than number one.

1718
01:22:20,327 --> 01:22:21,531
It was a lot more aggressive.

1719
01:22:21,700 --> 01:22:22,728
[Reeves] Yeah.

1720
01:22:24,836 --> 01:22:26,072
Bang, bang! Bang! Bang!

1721
01:22:27,036 --> 01:22:28,935
Bang! Got to go in here.

1722
01:22:29,104 --> 01:22:30,769
Oh, no. Bang, bang!

1723
01:22:31,444 --> 01:22:32,772
Bang!

1724
01:22:32,941 --> 01:22:34,477
[grunting]

1725
01:22:34,679 --> 01:22:35,807
Shit! Bang!

1726
01:22:37,117 --> 01:22:39,377
We did invent this choreography
in the night.

1727
01:22:39,546 --> 01:22:41,216
Literally did that
on the night.

1728
01:22:41,385 --> 01:22:44,123
[Reeves] Flick. Look at that.
That's legit.

1729
01:22:44,292 --> 01:22:47,152
John Wick's just got
a lot of angry arms.
Yeah, look at that.

1730
01:22:47,354 --> 01:22:49,395
I love that, the pullback.

1731
01:22:49,564 --> 01:22:51,759
I just want to see the heads
explode. I just want to see
a little bit of that.

1732
01:22:51,928 --> 01:22:53,561
[crowd clamoring]

1733
01:22:55,062 --> 01:22:56,961
[Stahelski] Yeah, pretty much
just made this all up
on the night.

1734
01:22:57,130 --> 01:22:59,431
[Reeves] But I think
this introduced, too,
the idea of the toolbox,

1735
01:22:59,500 --> 01:23:01,438
the way that
you guys trained me.

1736
01:23:01,873 --> 01:23:05,370
The magic of what Keanu
went through is we built
a giant toolbox for him...

1737
01:23:05,438 --> 01:23:07,244
[crew member] You're out.

1738
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,413
...that at any moment,
we can pull out tools from
and plug and play.

1739
01:23:10,482 --> 01:23:12,750
Secondary.
[Perry] I built the training
very similar

1740
01:23:12,918 --> 01:23:14,016
to the way we do choreography.

1741
01:23:14,218 --> 01:23:15,646
I would put
a dummy round in the mag

1742
01:23:15,815 --> 01:23:17,319
so he would have to
correct a malfunction.

1743
01:23:17,554 --> 01:23:19,658
So, I would create problems
in the middle of this

1744
01:23:19,793 --> 01:23:21,091
that he would have to solve.

1745
01:23:21,260 --> 01:23:22,827
All that prep gives you
this luxury of, like,

1746
01:23:22,996 --> 01:23:25,091
we can be flexible
and in the moment,

1747
01:23:25,260 --> 01:23:27,625
and almost ad-lib the action

1748
01:23:27,793 --> 01:23:30,160
because he's already
gotten so good.

1749
01:23:30,329 --> 01:23:32,165
What? Cut it!

1750
01:23:32,334 --> 01:23:33,697
This is what Reeves
can do.

1751
01:23:33,900 --> 01:23:36,003
And see, that spoiled me
for the rest of the movie.

1752
01:23:36,171 --> 01:23:39,045
So, now I know you can
do anything. I'm like,
"I can change shit on the day."

1753
01:23:39,247 --> 01:23:41,771
In most action movies, you
can't change the choreography.

1754
01:23:41,940 --> 01:23:44,608
Yeah.
You don't want to upset
"insert name."

1755
01:23:44,777 --> 01:23:46,548
Yeah.
After this,
it was like, "Oh, no,

1756
01:23:46,783 --> 01:23:49,188
we can change everything
on Keanu. He's great."
[both chuckle]

1757
01:23:49,324 --> 01:23:51,716
All the stunt teams are like,
"So we can still change things?

1758
01:23:51,784 --> 01:23:53,020
This is great."
We can still change things.

1759
01:23:53,556 --> 01:23:56,292
Sorry.
[crew member]
Back to one. Reset.

1760
01:23:56,361 --> 01:23:58,131
Fuck!
[crew member]
It's all good.

1761
01:23:58,300 --> 01:23:59,658
[Stahelski]
That's what I like about
the John Wick action.

1762
01:23:59,827 --> 01:24:01,561
John Wick always feels
a little back on his heels.

1763
01:24:01,763 --> 01:24:03,636
Kind of like he just learned
the choreography that day.

1764
01:24:03,805 --> 01:24:05,069
Yeah, yeah.
Which is awesome.

1765
01:24:05,271 --> 01:24:07,564
And after this,
now it was a challenge to us.

1766
01:24:07,766 --> 01:24:10,170
How do we keep up with Keanu?
[laughs]

1767
01:24:10,338 --> 01:24:14,312
Whoever comes,
whoever it is,

1768
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:16,677
I'll kill them.

1769
01:24:17,850 --> 01:24:19,379
I'll kill them all.

1770
01:24:19,581 --> 01:24:23,517
When<i> John Wick 2</i>
was being put together,

1771
01:24:23,686 --> 01:24:26,990
there were certain actors
that were saying, like,

1772
01:24:27,192 --> 01:24:28,656
"We would love to be
in<i> John Wick 2."</i>

1773
01:24:30,131 --> 01:24:32,057
You're not having a good night,
are you, John?

1774
01:24:32,292 --> 01:24:36,600
Once they put Rome on the map,
it was like, "I need to be
in<i> John Wick 2."</i>

1775
01:24:36,736 --> 01:24:40,030
Chad, man, like,
I have to be in there.
I have to be in that world.

1776
01:24:40,199 --> 01:24:43,074
I reached out to Keanu,
I was like, "Dude,
all of our friends,

1777
01:24:43,277 --> 01:24:45,540
all the guys that worked
on<i> The Matrix</i> pictures,

1778
01:24:45,709 --> 01:24:48,378
like, everybody's in the movie.
You gotta hook me up."

1779
01:24:48,547 --> 01:24:52,252
Mr. Wick doesn't remember,
but we met many years ago.

1780
01:24:52,420 --> 01:24:54,448
[Constantine]
And then there were
other actors that we thought,

1781
01:24:54,650 --> 01:24:56,187
"They would be great.
Let's try to get them."

1782
01:24:56,389 --> 01:25:02,021
And at that point,
not everyone
was in on<i> John Wick</i>

1783
01:25:02,190 --> 01:25:05,132
as such a big thing
that it's eventually
gonna come out to be.

1784
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,127
[grunting]

1785
01:25:08,329 --> 01:25:09,494
Oh, you motherfucker.

1786
01:25:09,730 --> 01:25:12,433
[Constantine] When you
get to<i> John Wick 3,</i>

1787
01:25:12,568 --> 01:25:16,075
now there is this corner
that has been turned

1788
01:25:16,278 --> 01:25:20,704
where pretty much everybody
is aware of<i> John Wick.</i>

1789
01:25:20,873 --> 01:25:23,248
We can literally
call it a franchise

1790
01:25:23,417 --> 01:25:27,645
because number one worked,
number two worked even better,

1791
01:25:27,847 --> 01:25:29,618
and we're planning on
making number three.

1792
01:25:31,458 --> 01:25:34,960
Now you have brilliant actors,
Academy Award-winning actors,

1793
01:25:35,129 --> 01:25:39,031
like Halle Berry
and Anjelica Huston,

1794
01:25:39,233 --> 01:25:42,398
who really understands
what<i> John Wick</i> is,

1795
01:25:42,567 --> 01:25:47,273
wants to be with Keanu,
wants to be with 87eleven.

1796
01:25:47,441 --> 01:25:51,803
I was a fan. I mean, there's
not a dull moment on screen.

1797
01:25:51,972 --> 01:25:53,776
I don't need to see the script.
Just sign me up.

1798
01:25:53,945 --> 01:25:55,644
I gotta tell you,

1799
01:25:55,812 --> 01:25:58,849
I've been looking forward
to meeting you for a long time.

1800
01:25:59,051 --> 01:26:02,519
I'm a huge fan, John Wick.

1801
01:26:02,721 --> 01:26:04,490
[Iwanyk] We're part
of the establishment
all of a sudden.

1802
01:26:04,659 --> 01:26:06,059
When we weren't,

1803
01:26:06,261 --> 01:26:07,951
<i> John Wick 1</i> was way out
of the establishment.

1804
01:26:08,220 --> 01:26:11,697
Even<i> John Wick 2</i> was, like,
a foot in and a foot out.

1805
01:26:11,799 --> 01:26:16,966
And I said this to Keanu,
I'm like, "Listen,
for better or for worse,

1806
01:26:17,135 --> 01:26:22,303
we are now a place where
in the economics of film
and television and studios,

1807
01:26:22,472 --> 01:26:24,310
we have to
expand this world."

1808
01:26:24,512 --> 01:26:28,977
Like, there's no version
of us going,
"Ah, guys, we're good."

1809
01:26:29,113 --> 01:26:32,681
You know, the shareholders
of Lionsgate's like,
"No, we want more."

1810
01:26:32,850 --> 01:26:36,546
And so I think we've all kind
of collectively realized that,

1811
01:26:36,748 --> 01:26:40,722
and now we're like, "Okay,
how do we make things just
a bit cool, a bit different?"

1812
01:26:40,924 --> 01:26:44,660
[director]
All right. Picture's up.
Lock it up. Here we go.

1813
01:26:46,196 --> 01:26:47,724
Cool location, right?

1814
01:26:47,927 --> 01:26:49,368
[cameraperson]
It's awesome.
Thanks.

1815
01:26:50,801 --> 01:26:55,737
Fuck yeah.
<i>John Wick 3.</i> Manhattan.
New York City Library.

1816
01:27:00,112 --> 01:27:04,083
[Reeves] I feel like
every<i> John Wick</i> film has had,
like, the what and the why.

1817
01:27:04,286 --> 01:27:05,813
But what's the character?
What's the why?

1818
01:27:06,645 --> 01:27:07,886
And then along that,

1819
01:27:08,055 --> 01:27:09,988
each film has had two or three,

1820
01:27:10,157 --> 01:27:12,852
like, action,
not even sequences,

1821
01:27:13,021 --> 01:27:15,922
but, like,
I want to be here.
It's a mirror room.

1822
01:27:19,568 --> 01:27:21,660
[Reeves]
It's gonna be the fight
in the library with Boban.

1823
01:27:21,862 --> 01:27:24,997
It's gonna be the stairs
in<i> Chapter 4.</i>

1824
01:27:25,166 --> 01:27:29,333
There's always been
these impulses
of action or set pieces,

1825
01:27:29,502 --> 01:27:33,412
and somehow the story
has to go through here
and here, you know,

1826
01:27:33,580 --> 01:27:36,712
and that kind of relentlessness
of trying to figure it out.

1827
01:27:39,516 --> 01:27:42,085
Dogs, horses, pigeons,
Grand Central.

1828
01:27:42,253 --> 01:27:45,256
Grand Central.
Grand Central.

1829
01:27:45,425 --> 01:27:47,891
All right, get out of here.
I gotta go to work.

1830
01:27:48,060 --> 01:27:52,327
This is Ballet Land.
That's these ladies.
What are we shooting right now?

1831
01:27:52,529 --> 01:27:55,296
Tell 'em.
[both]<i> John Wick 3.</i>

1832
01:27:55,498 --> 01:27:57,261
That says it all,
doesn't it?

1833
01:27:57,429 --> 01:28:00,098
-[Reeves]
We're going to Marrakech.
-[Stahelski] Sounds good.

1834
01:28:00,266 --> 01:28:02,905
Going to Morocco. Halle Berry
in the desert with some dogs.

1835
01:28:03,074 --> 01:28:06,212
[exclaims]
[Berry] It's one of the
hardest things I've ever done.

1836
01:28:06,381 --> 01:28:10,043
I pushed myself to the limit.
I had some broken bones.

1837
01:28:10,212 --> 01:28:11,815
[chuckles]

1838
01:28:12,017 --> 01:28:13,113
But I survived.

1839
01:28:13,282 --> 01:28:15,085
[dog snarling]

1840
01:28:15,254 --> 01:28:17,216
Dogs.
We need dogs in the movie.

1841
01:28:17,385 --> 01:28:19,287
What are you gonna do?
Well, we're gonna train dogs
to attack groins.

1842
01:28:19,456 --> 01:28:21,119
-[man screaming]
-[dog barking]

1843
01:28:24,290 --> 01:28:27,300
That was one of the concepts.
That was one of the concepts.

1844
01:28:27,502 --> 01:28:29,460
<i> John Wick 3.</i>
If you knew the budget
we spent on dogs.

1845
01:28:29,629 --> 01:28:30,667
That was the concept.

1846
01:28:34,409 --> 01:28:35,733
[Stahelski] We're gonna
train Halle Berry with dogs.

1847
01:28:35,902 --> 01:28:37,640
Got an actress
who wanted to say,

1848
01:28:37,809 --> 01:28:40,404
"Yeah, I want to train dogs
for seven, eight months."

1849
01:28:40,573 --> 01:28:43,975
And that's not from
a book series. That's not
from a graphic novel.

1850
01:28:44,144 --> 01:28:46,246
That's from us going,
"Hey, man, you like dogs?

1851
01:28:46,415 --> 01:28:48,816
I like dogs. You like dogs?
I like dogs. Let's do
something cool with dogs.

1852
01:28:48,985 --> 01:28:51,589
We did guns and cars. Let's
do dogs. Yeah, I like dogs."

1853
01:28:54,786 --> 01:28:56,595
Dog fu.
Dog fu, man.

1854
01:28:56,763 --> 01:28:58,597
[barks]

1855
01:28:58,765 --> 01:29:00,830
And then, Keanu's going,
"John Wick's got to be
on a horse."

1856
01:29:00,999 --> 01:29:03,634
And I'm like,
"John Wick on a horse
sounds pretty fucking cool."

1857
01:29:05,598 --> 01:29:07,340
[horse whinnies]

1858
01:29:07,776 --> 01:29:10,003
[Stahelski]
But a lot of other people
that read the script went,

1859
01:29:10,071 --> 01:29:13,380
"Yeah, that's not...
How is that gonna be cool?"

1860
01:29:13,582 --> 01:29:15,471
-Because he ran out
of Central Park.
-And we're like,

1861
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:17,675
"We're not really sure,
but we're gonna try
and figure it out."

1862
01:29:17,844 --> 01:29:19,984
There's horses
by Central Park.

1863
01:29:20,152 --> 01:29:23,322
[Stahelski] If you're willing
to endure that little bit
of fear of the unknown

1864
01:29:23,491 --> 01:29:25,390
and that little bit of pain
of figuring it out...

1865
01:29:25,593 --> 01:29:27,455
[Reeves] Who doesn't want
to see John Wick on a horse?

1866
01:29:27,624 --> 01:29:29,629
-[Stahelski] Yeah.
-In a suit.

1867
01:29:29,798 --> 01:29:31,362
I mean, how we...

1868
01:29:31,531 --> 01:29:33,695
And I think most people
get weirded out by it

1869
01:29:33,864 --> 01:29:35,666
because they don't know
how it fits in the story

1870
01:29:35,835 --> 01:29:38,305
or they don't know how
to make it work
with the character,

1871
01:29:38,507 --> 01:29:40,740
and that's the beauty of
what we have with<i> John Wick.</i>

1872
01:29:40,942 --> 01:29:42,473
It's our IP.
Yeah.

1873
01:29:42,708 --> 01:29:45,207
So, there's no... [chuckles]
There's no real rules.

1874
01:29:45,309 --> 01:29:47,904
Like, we've had people
come up to us and
actually say to Keanu and I,

1875
01:29:48,106 --> 01:29:49,180
"Well, that's not
very John Wick."

1876
01:29:49,349 --> 01:29:50,910
And we're like, "I don't know,

1877
01:29:51,113 --> 01:29:52,381
that's John Wick, and he
says he'll be on a horse."

1878
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:54,078
You want to ride a horse?
Yeah, man.

1879
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:55,345
All right, then it's
pretty John Wick, isn't it?

1880
01:29:56,154 --> 01:29:57,084
[tires screech]

1881
01:29:57,287 --> 01:29:58,819
[horn blaring]

1882
01:29:58,988 --> 01:30:01,986
Getting to know Jackie Chan
and Donnie Yen and Jet Li,

1883
01:30:02,154 --> 01:30:03,558
and having worked
with all those people.

1884
01:30:03,727 --> 01:30:06,762
I was talking
to Jackie one time...

1885
01:30:06,964 --> 01:30:09,664
This is after spending a lot
of time watching how he works.

1886
01:30:09,833 --> 01:30:12,266
And, you know,
I was giving him a little shit.

1887
01:30:12,468 --> 01:30:15,204
You know, like, if Keanu and I
were just sitting here
and I was telling Jackie,

1888
01:30:15,372 --> 01:30:18,007
"You know, if you have
two people sitting there
and there's a desk between us,"

1889
01:30:18,176 --> 01:30:20,346
we're like, "Well, you know,
he'd say something,
I'd say something.

1890
01:30:20,515 --> 01:30:22,005
I'd jump over the desk,
we'd start fighting,

1891
01:30:22,174 --> 01:30:23,713
and then we'd punch
and punch and punch,

1892
01:30:23,882 --> 01:30:25,784
and then the other guy would
walk out and say a cool line."

1893
01:30:25,986 --> 01:30:29,852
Jackie would do literally
the exact opposite
of any other choreographer.

1894
01:30:30,021 --> 01:30:32,525
He'd go, "Okay,
you don't say anything.
I'll say a joke.

1895
01:30:32,694 --> 01:30:35,856
I'm gonna try to walk out, but
you stop me from walking out.

1896
01:30:36,025 --> 01:30:39,466
Then the room catches on fire,
the door is locked,

1897
01:30:39,668 --> 01:30:42,135
we get handcuffed together
and... What,
are you right-handed?

1898
01:30:42,337 --> 01:30:44,194
Okay, so you can't
use your right hand.

1899
01:30:44,363 --> 01:30:46,205
And you got to protect
this vase here from breaking

1900
01:30:46,374 --> 01:30:47,968
because that's
really what you wanted.

1901
01:30:48,170 --> 01:30:50,237
And you can't kill anybody,
although everybody has a gun."

1902
01:30:50,406 --> 01:30:54,442
And you'd look at Jackie
and go, "Well, how am I
supposed to do that?"

1903
01:30:54,611 --> 01:30:56,573
And he had
the best answer ever.

1904
01:30:56,742 --> 01:30:59,146
He looked right back and said,
"I have no idea
how you're gonna do it,

1905
01:30:59,348 --> 01:31:02,322
but if you figure it out,
it'll be the best fight
in the movie."

1906
01:31:02,524 --> 01:31:04,825
One of the sequences that
I think will always go down

1907
01:31:05,027 --> 01:31:10,255
as one of the greatest moments
in all four<i> John Wick</i> movies
is the knife fight.

1908
01:31:10,424 --> 01:31:14,666
It's using all the things
that would normally
be a problem.

1909
01:31:14,868 --> 01:31:19,730
John is in
a straight, narrow room,
and he doesn't have a gun.

1910
01:31:19,899 --> 01:31:23,766
And all these assassins
who have guns are coming to
get him, and he can't hide.

1911
01:31:23,935 --> 01:31:28,639
So now he has to neutralize
the guns that could shoot him
and kill him, right?

1912
01:31:28,808 --> 01:31:30,007
That's number one.

1913
01:31:30,209 --> 01:31:34,183
Number two,
he gets thrown against glass.

1914
01:31:34,385 --> 01:31:37,790
And what feels like
it's gonna be a problem
turns out to be an asset.

1915
01:31:37,959 --> 01:31:39,020
It's brilliant.

1916
01:31:45,262 --> 01:31:48,033
-[Reeves] That's so good.
-We always called it
the snowball fight.

1917
01:31:48,235 --> 01:31:50,929
You and your brothers get
the snowball and you just
chuck them at each other.

1918
01:31:51,098 --> 01:31:52,933
We were saying
in every action movie,

1919
01:31:53,102 --> 01:31:54,770
no matter who it is,
he always picks up a knife,

1920
01:31:55,073 --> 01:31:56,838
and they throw it,
and it sticks in,
and the guy dies.

1921
01:31:56,907 --> 01:31:58,675
And we're like,
"That never really happens."

1922
01:31:58,844 --> 01:32:01,138
So let's do one where
everybody misses all the time.

1923
01:32:01,306 --> 01:32:02,711
We kept rehearsing it
and rehearsing it.

1924
01:32:02,913 --> 01:32:04,183
We kept changing
all the different pieces.

1925
01:32:04,352 --> 01:32:05,814
But it still
didn't fit right.

1926
01:32:05,983 --> 01:32:07,952
I was like, "Okay,
it's gonna be a decent fight."

1927
01:32:08,121 --> 01:32:09,983
You know, I was looking forward
to the horse stuff more
and all that shit.

1928
01:32:10,152 --> 01:32:12,316
-Yeah.
-It was about the third day
of doing this.

1929
01:32:12,485 --> 01:32:15,355
It was when you come at him,
just going one, two, three.

1930
01:32:15,524 --> 01:32:19,055
My opinion totally changed
in this fight,
right on that. Right here.

1931
01:32:19,257 --> 01:32:21,194
-[man grunts]
-[Reeves exclaims]

1932
01:32:26,041 --> 01:32:27,305
What do I do?
Duck.

1933
01:32:27,474 --> 01:32:29,808
Duck? Duck?
[Stahelski]
You better.

1934
01:32:29,977 --> 01:32:31,875
[laughter]

1935
01:32:32,044 --> 01:32:33,206
Duck?

1936
01:32:34,511 --> 01:32:36,010
This is real speed.

1937
01:32:36,179 --> 01:32:39,317
[Stahelski] This is... Yeah,
this is Shane and Chen here.

1938
01:32:39,486 --> 01:32:41,213
[Reeves]
Whoa! That's legit.

1939
01:32:41,382 --> 01:32:43,549
We were literally putting
this stuff together on the day.

1940
01:32:43,718 --> 01:32:44,647
[Stahelski] Action!

1941
01:32:44,816 --> 01:32:46,860
[grunting]

1942
01:32:47,029 --> 01:32:50,729
Remember, like, when we had
that, like, fucking take
that's in the movie?

1943
01:32:50,898 --> 01:32:51,888
Yep.

1944
01:32:52,190 --> 01:32:53,395
Take forever.
[all laugh]

1945
01:32:53,464 --> 01:32:54,896
Not that...
I know.

1946
01:32:55,065 --> 01:32:58,671
Shane is, like, amazing
as well, but I'm so slow.

1947
01:32:58,839 --> 01:33:01,266
But there was something about
that one take that was like--

1948
01:33:01,468 --> 01:33:04,777
Yeah, that take, you know,
it's great. It's great.

1949
01:33:04,979 --> 01:33:07,009
[grunting]

1950
01:33:15,089 --> 01:33:19,588
[Reeves] I was like,
"Guys, I don't think
I could do that any faster."

1951
01:33:19,757 --> 01:33:21,623
And Shane was like,
"Me neither."

1952
01:33:21,825 --> 01:33:23,923
We reached, like,
a high hand.
It is.

1953
01:33:24,092 --> 01:33:26,964
It was so good
but so very tired.
Right?

1954
01:33:27,167 --> 01:33:28,366
[all laughing]

1955
01:33:28,535 --> 01:33:30,527
[crew member]
That was fast. A lot.

1956
01:33:31,070 --> 01:33:32,104
Jesus.

1957
01:33:32,373 --> 01:33:34,374
What I learned
in<i> John Wick 1,</i>

1958
01:33:34,443 --> 01:33:36,442
which you carried on
through all of them,

1959
01:33:36,611 --> 01:33:40,106
was fight film
with who you trained with.
Yeah.

1960
01:33:40,275 --> 01:33:42,912
[Reeves] Everyone gets
to know your timing, you know?

1961
01:33:43,081 --> 01:33:47,153
They know how slow I am,
so they can do stuff
in between.

1962
01:33:47,356 --> 01:33:48,649
"Come on, Reeves!"
They compensate.

1963
01:33:48,852 --> 01:33:50,389
You figure
everyone else does that.

1964
01:33:50,692 --> 01:33:52,353
I don't know
why movies don't.
They don't.

1965
01:33:52,422 --> 01:33:53,990
[grunting]

1966
01:33:55,563 --> 01:33:56,957
[crew member 1] Cut!
[crew member 2] Cut.

1967
01:33:57,292 --> 01:33:58,295
[Schultz] Keanu, you know,
he's a perfectionist.

1968
01:33:58,363 --> 01:33:59,564
[Reeves] I sucked.

1969
01:33:59,733 --> 01:34:01,326
[Schultz] And he is
very hard on himself.

1970
01:34:01,528 --> 01:34:02,830
Obviously, his biggest action
movies other than<i> John Wick</i>

1971
01:34:03,066 --> 01:34:05,227
were the<i> Matrix</i> movies.
And the Wachowskis,

1972
01:34:05,363 --> 01:34:07,805
you know,
there was no good enough.

1973
01:34:07,974 --> 01:34:10,072
And even if it is perfect,
we'll shoot it ten more times

1974
01:34:10,241 --> 01:34:12,274
and make sure
it's perfect-perfect,
you know, super-perfect.

1975
01:34:12,443 --> 01:34:14,175
Super-perfect.

1976
01:34:14,377 --> 01:34:16,240
That's a Reevesian word,
super-perfect.
Yeah, that's--

1977
01:34:16,409 --> 01:34:18,749
That's where we get
the fuckity fucks.
Yeah.

1978
01:34:18,918 --> 01:34:21,782
All directed at yourself,
which is very admirable.

1979
01:34:21,951 --> 01:34:24,153
-[upbeat music playing]
-[grunting]

1980
01:34:24,322 --> 01:34:26,283
Fuck! Fuck!

1981
01:34:26,451 --> 01:34:28,689
[crew member]
Cut. We'll go again.
Fuck!

1982
01:34:28,891 --> 01:34:30,697
I can't do
the fucking lock.

1983
01:34:30,899 --> 01:34:34,328
Fucking lock,
fucking, fucking lock,
fucking lock, fuck.

1984
01:34:34,497 --> 01:34:37,436
Fuck! Fuck!

1985
01:34:37,605 --> 01:34:39,535
Fucker. Fucking, fucking,
fucking fuck.

1986
01:34:39,737 --> 01:34:42,770
Fuck.
That is my bad. Fuck!

1987
01:34:42,939 --> 01:34:45,305
Okay, now
let's just do that.

1988
01:34:45,474 --> 01:34:46,373
Fuck!

1989
01:34:46,575 --> 01:34:48,638
[grunting]

1990
01:34:48,807 --> 01:34:49,706
Fuck.

1991
01:34:49,908 --> 01:34:51,674
[laughing]

1992
01:34:51,843 --> 01:34:52,950
Fuck!

1993
01:34:53,119 --> 01:34:54,051
Fuck!

1994
01:34:54,253 --> 01:34:56,789
Fuck. Fuck.

1995
01:35:01,925 --> 01:35:04,525
Fuck it. I fucked that up.
Fuck!

1996
01:35:04,661 --> 01:35:05,626
[crew member 1] Cut.

1997
01:35:05,862 --> 01:35:06,859
[crew member 2] Got it?
Fuck!

1998
01:35:06,994 --> 01:35:08,961
[crew member 3] Yes.
Fuck!

1999
01:35:09,130 --> 01:35:10,169
[crew member 1]
Let's go again.

2000
01:35:10,337 --> 01:35:13,971
So, the fucks come from,

2001
01:35:14,140 --> 01:35:17,073
number one,
you wanna do it well.
You wanna do it right.

2002
01:35:17,275 --> 01:35:20,879
And also, when I've been
thinking about it, it's like...

2003
01:35:21,983 --> 01:35:23,707
[sighs]

2004
01:35:23,875 --> 01:35:27,980
...when you have to do
a wire, or you go
into an action sequence,

2005
01:35:28,149 --> 01:35:31,186
you basically
have like a spring.

2006
01:35:31,355 --> 01:35:34,321
You know, you have a tension
that's waiting to release.

2007
01:35:34,490 --> 01:35:38,028
And I feel like
the fucks are a way
to like... [grunts]

2008
01:35:38,197 --> 01:35:41,695
It's like a kiai.
Yeah. It's like a kiai.
Like, "Fuck!"

2009
01:35:41,830 --> 01:35:43,826
[exclaims] Like, "Fuck."

2010
01:35:44,195 --> 01:35:47,639
And then, you get to
ratchet it back up and go,
"Okay, let's try again."

2011
01:35:47,707 --> 01:35:50,370
[crew member]
Three, two, one, action.

2012
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:53,572
Yeah.

2013
01:35:53,741 --> 01:35:56,015
[grunting]

2014
01:35:56,184 --> 01:35:59,614
[Perry] Reeves has consistently
been one of the kindest,
hardest-working,

2015
01:35:59,816 --> 01:36:04,889
gentle, generous people
that I've ever met inside
or outside of this business.

2016
01:36:05,058 --> 01:36:07,925
But when he plugs in and
he goes all in on something,

2017
01:36:08,094 --> 01:36:10,562
he's going all in, and
you gotta be ready for that.

2018
01:36:10,731 --> 01:36:12,058
[Dacascos]
He knows what he's doing,

2019
01:36:12,327 --> 01:36:14,695
and when he grabs you
to do a throw or flip,

2020
01:36:14,764 --> 01:36:16,802
it's like a vice.

2021
01:36:17,004 --> 01:36:21,031
And if you look
on my Instagram,
I posted a small picture.

2022
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:23,742
My arms are just like, what?

2023
01:36:23,911 --> 01:36:26,843
But I was proud of those.
I earned those, you know?

2024
01:36:27,045 --> 01:36:30,212
<i>John Wick,</i> Chad and Keanu
right here, all over.

2025
01:36:36,182 --> 01:36:39,882
[Iwanyk] I cannot tell you
how many times on a<i> John Wick</i>
set I have taken my phone

2026
01:36:40,051 --> 01:36:43,721
and have videoed stunts
and fight scenes
that were happening.

2027
01:36:43,890 --> 01:36:48,131
Not for any other reason
but to say, "Look,
this actually was done."

2028
01:36:51,037 --> 01:36:53,104
You know, I've seen
Keanu and his stunt double

2029
01:36:53,272 --> 01:36:56,733
go through some
incredibly physical trauma
on these movies.

2030
01:37:05,912 --> 01:37:08,118
[grunting]

2031
01:37:12,086 --> 01:37:14,158
[people cheering, applauding]

2032
01:37:14,326 --> 01:37:17,524
[Spidell] Getting the chance
to double Keanu
was pretty surreal.

2033
01:37:17,727 --> 01:37:21,630
His relationship with Chad
being his double
through<i> The Matrix,</i>

2034
01:37:21,798 --> 01:37:23,595
which changed my life...

2035
01:37:23,797 --> 01:37:28,105
So, having Chad
pass me the torch
was just a huge honor.

2036
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:32,604
And just getting to meet Reeves
and make that relationship.

2037
01:37:34,312 --> 01:37:37,808
Well, they're playing
the character too,
you know?

2038
01:37:37,977 --> 01:37:40,511
[grunting]

2039
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:46,453
And they're doing things
where they can get hurt.

2040
01:37:47,460 --> 01:37:49,126
Like, really hurt.

2041
01:37:51,096 --> 01:37:53,196
I don't know how many car hits
Jackson took.

2042
01:37:56,796 --> 01:37:59,972
I mean, if someone
counted those,
there's at least 20.

2043
01:38:01,106 --> 01:38:03,173
And that's, like,
in an edited version.

2044
01:38:09,707 --> 01:38:11,383
And then all of the falls
that he did...

2045
01:38:11,552 --> 01:38:12,677
[crew member]
...one, go!

2046
01:38:13,782 --> 01:38:15,377
[groaning]

2047
01:38:15,546 --> 01:38:16,890
[Reeves]
Crashing, hitting...

2048
01:38:18,552 --> 01:38:22,093
collisions that are like,
"Oh, no. What?"

2049
01:38:24,695 --> 01:38:28,191
And then all of
the choreography that
he could do that I couldn't do,

2050
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:29,694
you know, just physically.

2051
01:38:32,904 --> 01:38:34,933
Also the skill,
the movement,

2052
01:38:35,135 --> 01:38:38,870
the way he moved,
the way that he, you know, paid
attention to the character,

2053
01:38:39,039 --> 01:38:40,513
to me in the role.

2054
01:38:40,649 --> 01:38:42,376
And there's a talent
to that.

2055
01:38:42,778 --> 01:38:45,245
It's not just,
like, put the pads on
and get hit by a car.

2056
01:38:45,314 --> 01:38:47,018
You know,
he's playing John Wick.

2057
01:38:47,387 --> 01:38:49,186
And he's gotta move...
You want to sell it
a little bit.

2058
01:38:50,387 --> 01:38:53,221
So, I think you're bonded
and connected in art,

2059
01:38:53,390 --> 01:38:56,028
and you're connected
in the physicality of it.

2060
01:39:04,333 --> 01:39:07,064
We're all very
masochistic in a way.

2061
01:39:07,233 --> 01:39:10,537
It's just like, "It hurts."
It's a "Thank you, sir.
May I have another?"

2062
01:39:12,378 --> 01:39:17,709
My greatest physical pain was
from the high fall on<i> Wick 3.</i>

2063
01:39:23,784 --> 01:39:28,221
So, I fall
I think it was 12 feet
to this little awning,

2064
01:39:28,390 --> 01:39:30,324
which is Lexan,
which is like a plastic.

2065
01:39:30,527 --> 01:39:33,556
Slide down, I'm supposed to
catch my feet on the ledge

2066
01:39:33,725 --> 01:39:36,960
and, like, pencil over,
like dead body,

2067
01:39:37,128 --> 01:39:40,764
turn until I land
on my back half on,
half off the fire escape.

2068
01:39:40,933 --> 01:39:43,075
It's supposed to collapse
and I'm supposed to fall.

2069
01:39:47,540 --> 01:39:48,741
You're going to...
Yep. Yes, sir.

2070
01:39:48,910 --> 01:39:49,939
All right.

2071
01:39:53,147 --> 01:39:54,779
Well, we tested the gag,

2072
01:39:54,947 --> 01:39:59,454
but we never tested the suit
on the Lexan that I slide down.

2073
01:39:59,623 --> 01:40:03,492
I just had, like,
workout clothes on
or something like that.

2074
01:40:03,661 --> 01:40:08,199
And so, the static electricity
from a suit
creates less friction...

2075
01:40:10,970 --> 01:40:13,772
so I think when I fell,
I slid so fast

2076
01:40:13,941 --> 01:40:16,866
that by the time
I figured out where I was,

2077
01:40:17,068 --> 01:40:19,602
my feet were going past where
they were supposed to catch.

2078
01:40:19,771 --> 01:40:23,282
So my hip ended up
chipping off the ledge.

2079
01:40:23,485 --> 01:40:26,779
And I'm going sideways,
so I'm about to
<i>Million Dollar Baby</i> myself.

2080
01:40:26,948 --> 01:40:32,058
Luckily, I caught myself
and landed basically
on the back of my head.

2081
01:40:33,685 --> 01:40:35,290
The fire escape
didn't break away,

2082
01:40:35,459 --> 01:40:37,961
which would have let me fall
and continue the shot

2083
01:40:38,130 --> 01:40:40,297
to where I would
fall into a box catcher.

2084
01:40:43,096 --> 01:40:45,731
The first thing that
I thought of was just like,
"Move your foot."

2085
01:40:47,140 --> 01:40:49,232
My foot moved, and I was like,
"Oh, thank God."

2086
01:40:49,434 --> 01:40:51,903
"We're gonna try the other
one." The other went...
I was like, "Okay, great."

2087
01:40:52,105 --> 01:40:53,839
[applause]

2088
01:40:54,007 --> 01:40:56,375
[Spidell] This is how
I knew it looked bad
in the video village.

2089
01:40:56,544 --> 01:40:59,041
Someone said Chad went, "Fuck!"
[laughs]

2090
01:40:59,210 --> 01:41:00,752
[Stahelski]
I can bring a Condor
or you can come down your way.

2091
01:41:00,954 --> 01:41:02,484
I'll just drop.
[Stahelski] Okay.

2092
01:41:03,349 --> 01:41:05,157
Three, two, one, jump!

2093
01:41:06,824 --> 01:41:09,425
[Spidell] I just looked down
and Chad's just
hands in his pockets.

2094
01:41:11,031 --> 01:41:14,067
"How you doing?"
I'm like, "That sucked."

2095
01:41:14,799 --> 01:41:16,592
That was... Fuck.

2096
01:41:16,761 --> 01:41:18,731
[Stahelski]
You all right?
Yeah.

2097
01:41:19,134 --> 01:41:21,505
I'm like,
"Do we need to go again?"
He's like, "I'd like to."

2098
01:41:21,574 --> 01:41:24,037
He's like, "Can you?"
I was like,
"Yeah, but if we go again,

2099
01:41:24,205 --> 01:41:25,669
we need to go, like, now

2100
01:41:25,838 --> 01:41:28,444
because I have a feeling
in about ten minutes,

2101
01:41:28,646 --> 01:41:32,012
I'm going to be like Batman
'cause I landed on my head."

2102
01:41:32,180 --> 01:41:35,284
He's like, "All right.
Well, let's figure out
what we need to do to fix it,

2103
01:41:35,486 --> 01:41:38,715
and let's go. All right.
I'm glad you're okay."

2104
01:41:38,883 --> 01:41:42,061
Why was it so slick?
That was slick as shit.

2105
01:41:42,230 --> 01:41:44,557
[Spidell] So I went
and did it again.
[chuckles]

2106
01:41:44,726 --> 01:41:49,759
This is another testament
to our, like, bullshit.

2107
01:41:49,928 --> 01:41:52,366
See Chad looking at the monitor
and I was like,

2108
01:41:52,534 --> 01:41:54,140
"All right, how was that?"
He's like,

2109
01:41:55,241 --> 01:41:56,800
"Well, we're not
going to beat the first one."

2110
01:41:57,002 --> 01:41:59,075
He's like, "It looks
like you just fucking die."

2111
01:41:59,244 --> 01:42:00,938
And I was like, "Well, yeah."
[chuckles]

2112
01:42:03,276 --> 01:42:08,580
So, you know,
you're watching another person
put their health at risk.

2113
01:42:08,749 --> 01:42:10,984
You know? But you also
know that they love it.

2114
01:42:11,186 --> 01:42:12,086
[crew member] Nice jump.

2115
01:42:12,255 --> 01:42:13,584
[Reeves] And you also know that

2116
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,156
when it turns out well
and everybody's okay,

2117
01:42:16,225 --> 01:42:17,988
it's like, "Fuck yeah!"

2118
01:42:18,190 --> 01:42:20,897
And so, for me, it's just like
you're admiring what they do.

2119
01:42:21,065 --> 01:42:22,628
We're all wearing the suit.

2120
01:42:22,797 --> 01:42:24,894
[Stahelski] When you
come up as a stuntperson,

2121
01:42:25,063 --> 01:42:27,169
if you're looking for credit
and notoriety,

2122
01:42:27,371 --> 01:42:28,831
you're in the wrong end
of the business.

2123
01:42:29,033 --> 01:42:30,438
You get to do this little part.
You get to...

2124
01:42:30,607 --> 01:42:34,269
You have the anonymity
that I've always enjoyed.

2125
01:42:34,438 --> 01:42:37,275
And then, you know,
you get to work with
some of Hollywood's best,

2126
01:42:37,444 --> 01:42:39,516
and you get to be a ninja.

2127
01:42:39,719 --> 01:42:42,016
No one knew who you were,
but you still got to sit
in the movie theater

2128
01:42:42,218 --> 01:42:43,749
and go, "Yeah, that's me."

2129
01:42:43,918 --> 01:42:46,051
And you pull off some of the
greatest moments in Hollywood.

2130
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:50,625
I'm pretty sure that
I have died more than
anyone else in the<i> Wick</i> series.

2131
01:42:53,301 --> 01:42:56,829
<i>Wick 2,</i> in the tunnels,
I was taking just shotgun hits.

2132
01:43:00,436 --> 01:43:02,769
<i> Wick 3,</i>
Halle killed me as well.

2133
01:43:05,442 --> 01:43:07,939
I played guards
inside the Continental.

2134
01:43:10,511 --> 01:43:12,449
I die twice in
the club scene...

2135
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:16,316
once inside the house,

2136
01:43:16,485 --> 01:43:18,384
two times
in the house of mirrors,

2137
01:43:18,586 --> 01:43:21,024
a bunch of times
inside the tunnel,

2138
01:43:21,193 --> 01:43:22,558
probably like
four times in there.

2139
01:43:25,864 --> 01:43:28,326
I also doubled
Michael Nyqvist, so I guess
I died there as well.

2140
01:43:28,495 --> 01:43:30,600
-[screams]
-[laughs]

2141
01:43:30,802 --> 01:43:34,031
There's a fight scene
in<i> John Wick 1</i>
that Keanu strangles me.

2142
01:43:35,641 --> 01:43:40,010
Then in<i> 2,</i> we shot a big scene
in Lincoln Square, I think,

2143
01:43:40,179 --> 01:43:42,381
but it never made it
in the movie.

2144
01:43:42,584 --> 01:43:46,210
Then in<i> John Wick 3,</i>
I'm the guy
who kicks him underwater,

2145
01:43:46,379 --> 01:43:47,810
super slow motion,

2146
01:43:47,979 --> 01:43:50,345
then Keanu comes up,
blows my brains out.

2147
01:43:50,514 --> 01:43:53,258
At Trader Joe's, there was some
young guy who kind of was like,

2148
01:43:53,460 --> 01:43:55,658
"You've been in a movie.
I've seen it. I've seen it."

2149
01:43:55,860 --> 01:43:58,058
I was like, "Yeah, I've been
in a couple movies
like<i> John Wick."</i>

2150
01:43:58,260 --> 01:44:00,058
He's like, "You were
in<i> John Wick?"</i> I go,
"Yeah." He's like, "Cool."

2151
01:44:00,227 --> 01:44:03,099
And then the next day
I come in, and he yells
from across the way,

2152
01:44:03,301 --> 01:44:05,997
"Hey, hey,
that's the Speedo guy."

2153
01:44:17,413 --> 01:44:18,581
[crew member]
Check, recheck.

2154
01:44:20,853 --> 01:44:21,947
[Stahelski] Cut!

2155
01:44:24,490 --> 01:44:26,552
[Lee]<i> 3</i> was hard
because we shot everything

2156
01:44:26,721 --> 01:44:29,788
but not Morocco
because of weather,

2157
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:34,225
and Halle had broken her ribs
and needed time to heal.

2158
01:44:34,394 --> 01:44:36,926
And so we had this
moment in time where
we were editing the movie,

2159
01:44:37,095 --> 01:44:38,464
but the middle
of the movie wasn't there.

2160
01:44:38,666 --> 01:44:40,038
We still couldn't
figure it out.

2161
01:44:40,374 --> 01:44:42,737
We didn't have enough money
to do that piece.

2162
01:44:44,542 --> 01:44:48,707
And then got to Morocco,
and Morocco was awful.

2163
01:44:48,876 --> 01:44:51,748
[laughing] I mean,
just like everything about it.

2164
01:44:51,917 --> 01:44:54,281
We were supposed to shoot
in one place.
We ended up in Essaouira.

2165
01:44:54,449 --> 01:44:56,885
We couldn't permit anything.

2166
01:44:57,054 --> 01:45:01,253
And then, we had the dogs,
which also we had to ferry
from the US.

2167
01:45:01,422 --> 01:45:03,591
There's five dogs.
We get there, and one of
the dogs wouldn't perform

2168
01:45:03,693 --> 01:45:05,096
because they just
didn't like Morocco.

2169
01:45:05,532 --> 01:45:07,957
-[barks]
-[Lee] It was also
this fishing village,

2170
01:45:08,026 --> 01:45:09,827
and so there was
dead fish everywhere,

2171
01:45:10,029 --> 01:45:11,761
which meant there was
stray cats everywhere.

2172
01:45:11,930 --> 01:45:14,337
So there was
fucking cats everywhere.

2173
01:45:14,539 --> 01:45:16,566
[dog handler]
Santana, over here.
[cat yowls]

2174
01:45:16,734 --> 01:45:18,410
Santana, over here. Hey.

2175
01:45:18,579 --> 01:45:21,641
[Lee] In trying to get the dogs
to focus and not kill the cats,

2176
01:45:21,809 --> 01:45:24,840
we built a cat hotel
on the side of the set.

2177
01:45:25,043 --> 01:45:27,079
I mean, it was
just like pure mayhem.

2178
01:45:27,181 --> 01:45:29,114
Fuck!

2179
01:45:29,549 --> 01:45:33,688
When we wrap, everyone
always has the same emotion,
which is "Never again."

2180
01:45:33,757 --> 01:45:36,389
Like, "Fuck this. Never again."
Especially Keanu.

2181
01:45:36,592 --> 01:45:39,593
At the end of every<i> John Wick,</i>
we're like, "There's just
never gonna be another one,"

2182
01:45:39,762 --> 01:45:41,857
because we are so dead
and we hate each other,

2183
01:45:42,059 --> 01:45:43,831
and Keanu
is literally half dead.

2184
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:45,964
Halfway through, Keanu's like,
"At the end of this movie..."

2185
01:45:46,133 --> 01:45:49,041
I'm not exaggerating. He goes,
"I want to be beheaded.

2186
01:45:49,243 --> 01:45:51,474
I want to see the guy
holding up my head."

2187
01:45:51,643 --> 01:45:54,840
And I'm just like,
"One, no, and two, nice try,

2188
01:45:55,009 --> 01:45:56,343
'cause you will never be able
to come back again."

2189
01:45:56,545 --> 01:45:59,316
After<i> 3,</i> we were like, "Okay.

2190
01:45:59,485 --> 01:46:01,051
That's it. That's enough."
That's good.

2191
01:46:01,253 --> 01:46:02,517
"We've done it. We're good."

2192
01:46:02,685 --> 01:46:04,552
And it just kept eating at me,
eating at me.

2193
01:46:04,755 --> 01:46:06,723
Like, we didn't get to do
our Japanese portion.

2194
01:46:06,925 --> 01:46:09,354
We didn't get to do
our samurai version.
There was so much left.

2195
01:46:09,523 --> 01:46:13,791
I remember sitting with you
going, "Okay, I got
a pretty good why this time."

2196
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:15,524
You just felt like
there was more to do.

2197
01:46:15,693 --> 01:46:16,963
Yeah.
[laughs]

2198
01:46:21,675 --> 01:46:24,206
Do you think you're ready to do
the forward 180 one-handed?

2199
01:46:24,375 --> 01:46:26,643
Yes.
And with your right hand?

2200
01:46:28,379 --> 01:46:29,643
Let's try it.
Let's try it.

2201
01:46:29,811 --> 01:46:31,381
Do you want the gun now
or on the next one?

2202
01:46:31,550 --> 01:46:33,081
Let's do it on the next one.
Okay, I got it.

2203
01:46:33,283 --> 01:46:35,388
[upbeat music playing]

2204
01:46:41,829 --> 01:46:44,194
[Stahelski] We were told that
there was too much action
in<i> John Wick 3,</i>

2205
01:46:44,363 --> 01:46:45,924
-so we had to cut it down.
-No.

2206
01:46:46,126 --> 01:46:49,058
[Stahelski] Boy, did we
show them in number four, huh?

2207
01:46:49,227 --> 01:46:51,228
[upbeat music continues]
[car engine revving]

2208
01:46:57,677 --> 01:47:00,045
[Lee] What was hard about<i> 4</i>
was we weren't in New York,

2209
01:47:00,214 --> 01:47:02,308
so the DNA of the movie
had changed.

2210
01:47:02,543 --> 01:47:05,781
So all of a sudden,
we were making kinda like
the international<i> Wick</i> version,

2211
01:47:05,916 --> 01:47:08,611
which was like
a little bit hard for us
to get our sea legs.

2212
01:47:08,813 --> 01:47:10,379
And we had Donnie Yen...

2213
01:47:12,988 --> 01:47:16,121
which, amazing, but also
another movie star on set.

2214
01:47:18,028 --> 01:47:20,865
And we started sort of behind.
We were spending
a lot of money.

2215
01:47:21,034 --> 01:47:25,200
[Iwanyk] It was coming off
the pandemic, all of the masks
and all that bullshit.

2216
01:47:25,369 --> 01:47:26,802
And it was a gigantic movie.

2217
01:47:29,836 --> 01:47:31,543
And it was also
almost 100 days.

2218
01:47:31,712 --> 01:47:33,238
You know, when you think
about the first movie,
it was like 40.

2219
01:47:33,407 --> 01:47:34,808
Oh, my hips.

2220
01:47:35,010 --> 01:47:37,214
[Iwanyk] You could push someone
well past the limit

2221
01:47:37,383 --> 01:47:38,745
when you're
shooting 40 or 50 days.

2222
01:47:38,914 --> 01:47:41,317
When you're on day 92,
you got to be careful.

2223
01:47:41,486 --> 01:47:42,747
[crew member] Cut!
Goddamn it.

2224
01:47:43,149 --> 01:47:46,152
Why can't I fucking do
that fucking throw?

2225
01:47:46,220 --> 01:47:48,118
[Schultz]
They never got easier,
and even as<i> John Wick 4,</i>

2226
01:47:48,287 --> 01:47:50,121
you know, now we got
a hundred plus million dollars,

2227
01:47:50,290 --> 01:47:53,063
because now we're-- we're
trying to make $120 million

2228
01:47:53,231 --> 01:47:54,390
look like $200 million.

2229
01:47:57,900 --> 01:47:59,767
[Lee] We also didn't have
our, like, core,

2230
01:47:59,936 --> 01:48:02,335
that crew that we had
for the three other movies,

2231
01:48:02,537 --> 01:48:03,834
and it felt different.

2232
01:48:04,204 --> 01:48:05,341
All of a sudden,
we're like based in Berlin.

2233
01:48:05,410 --> 01:48:07,072
We had a lot of
different teams.

2234
01:48:07,241 --> 01:48:11,740
And so, it was just like
getting into a rhythm was hard.

2235
01:48:11,909 --> 01:48:13,317
Is that another car?

2236
01:48:13,486 --> 01:48:15,611
No. It would be...
So, he would hit--

2237
01:48:15,780 --> 01:48:18,687
He hits the car,
doesn't know he hits the car,
then he gets floored?

2238
01:48:18,890 --> 01:48:22,360
Yeah. And behind that car,
Bruce comes out of the abyss.

2239
01:48:22,562 --> 01:48:24,926
Chad said, "I need you
to come do<i> Wick 4."</i>

2240
01:48:25,094 --> 01:48:28,494
I was like, "Awesome. We're
gonna have the team together."

2241
01:48:28,662 --> 01:48:32,797
Nope. No Jackson because he's
becoming a fight coordinator,
stunt coordinator.

2242
01:48:32,966 --> 01:48:35,002
JoJo's working
on his own shows.

2243
01:48:37,242 --> 01:48:42,176
So, I was under the microscope
of Chad with no older brothers
to watch my back.

2244
01:48:42,345 --> 01:48:44,010
[Marinas] Nice.

2245
01:48:44,245 --> 01:48:47,819
Chad just was like, "You're up.
Don't fuck up." [laughs]

2246
01:48:47,955 --> 01:48:50,981
Instead of blocking,
you shoot. And I shoot.
And he's like, I shoot.

2247
01:48:51,150 --> 01:48:53,623
It sounds very...
It looks very childish.

2248
01:48:53,792 --> 01:48:56,562
Donnie was a whole
nother entity to deal with.

2249
01:48:58,398 --> 01:49:00,192
Being the perfectionist
that he is,

2250
01:49:00,627 --> 01:49:04,134
he takes regular
fight choreography and puts
his Donnie factor on it,

2251
01:49:04,202 --> 01:49:07,238
and he throws
a bunch of curveballs that
we just had to be ready for.

2252
01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:09,837
This is...
There's no technique.

2253
01:49:10,006 --> 01:49:12,470
We got to put some Filipino,
like, a Kali in there.

2254
01:49:12,639 --> 01:49:15,712
Pop, pop, pop, pop.
You know, the pop...
You know, use that technique.

2255
01:49:15,881 --> 01:49:20,014
So, the pressure was high,
but he just wanted the best.

2256
01:49:25,493 --> 01:49:27,183
[crew member] Cut!
That's fucking awesome.

2257
01:49:27,352 --> 01:49:29,488
[Marinas] And that's
how I would equate Chad.

2258
01:49:29,657 --> 01:49:31,521
Chad wants the best.

2259
01:49:31,690 --> 01:49:34,523
In Chad's words,
"Don't do your best.
Do my best." [chuckles]

2260
01:49:37,497 --> 01:49:40,870
I'll tell you one thing,
because Chad
changes things so much.

2261
01:49:41,039 --> 01:49:45,575
The nunchuck fight
is almost shot for shot
the previs. [laughs]

2262
01:49:45,744 --> 01:49:47,075
So, there's one thing
I'm proud about.

2263
01:49:47,244 --> 01:49:49,076
[grunting]

2264
01:49:52,914 --> 01:49:54,685
[crew member]
Good, cut. Cut.

2265
01:49:55,088 --> 01:49:57,089
[Marinas]
Keanu was extra stressed out
during the nunchuck fight

2266
01:49:57,191 --> 01:50:00,618
because the first thing
you think about when you see
nunchucks is Bruce Lee.

2267
01:50:00,687 --> 01:50:03,687
[Stahelski] Nunchucks
are always one of those things
that sounds great

2268
01:50:03,856 --> 01:50:07,389
until you realize
how much work has to go
into them, as we found out.

2269
01:50:07,558 --> 01:50:09,931
And back in his day,
they didn't make all soft...

2270
01:50:10,100 --> 01:50:11,634
[Stahelski]
Didn't have the soft side.
...rubbery.

2271
01:50:11,836 --> 01:50:13,905
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's all wood.
No. Wood.

2272
01:50:14,074 --> 01:50:17,633
When Tiger and I were
trying them, they were...
there was a penalty.

2273
01:50:17,836 --> 01:50:19,010
Consequences.

2274
01:50:19,079 --> 01:50:20,376
So many times.

2275
01:50:20,879 --> 01:50:22,714
There was
a lot of penalties
on<i> John Wick 4.</i>

2276
01:50:22,782 --> 01:50:25,080
I'd pick up the real pair
and go like, "Oh, no."

2277
01:50:25,248 --> 01:50:27,049
No, no.

2278
01:50:27,218 --> 01:50:29,716
Literally, anybody
that picked up the real pair,
ten seconds later,

2279
01:50:29,885 --> 01:50:31,756
yeah, put them back down
going, "Fuck."

2280
01:50:32,787 --> 01:50:34,056
[crew member] And action!

2281
01:50:34,225 --> 01:50:35,892
[grunting]

2282
01:50:45,304 --> 01:50:47,833
[Schultz] Probably
we should have bee able to
shoot that fight in half a day.

2283
01:50:48,036 --> 01:50:49,775
[Reeves]
Wrong fucking hand, Reeves.

2284
01:50:49,943 --> 01:50:52,506
But Keanu had
a horrible ear infection.
Could not hear anything.

2285
01:50:52,708 --> 01:50:54,472
I know he had to feel awful.

2286
01:50:54,641 --> 01:50:55,940
Goddamn it.

2287
01:50:56,109 --> 01:50:57,416
[Schultz]
It took us, I think,

2288
01:50:57,585 --> 01:50:59,007
at least a whole day,
maybe a day and a half.

2289
01:50:59,209 --> 01:51:02,110
But, you know, he never quit.

2290
01:51:02,279 --> 01:51:04,251
Why do I keep doing that,
man?

2291
01:51:04,620 --> 01:51:08,351
Keanu, throughout
the whole movie of<i> Wick 4,</i>
he kind of had the flu.

2292
01:51:08,420 --> 01:51:12,156
And the work ethic
to work through it was intense

2293
01:51:12,324 --> 01:51:14,432
because we had
already started shooting.

2294
01:51:14,534 --> 01:51:15,895
He was doing
a couple other fights.

2295
01:51:16,231 --> 01:51:18,698
But on his off time,
when he wasn't on camera,

2296
01:51:18,767 --> 01:51:20,130
he was training nunchucks.

2297
01:51:20,433 --> 01:51:22,203
We would say, "You're sick.
Take a day off."

2298
01:51:22,338 --> 01:51:25,136
He's like, "No days off.
I shoot nunchucks
in a couple days."

2299
01:51:25,304 --> 01:51:27,839
Does he have a wall?
We've never found it.

2300
01:51:28,008 --> 01:51:29,847
[crew member]
Ready and action!

2301
01:51:33,583 --> 01:51:35,884
[Stahelski] A lot of
the<i> Wicks</i> are like love letters
to things that we love.

2302
01:51:36,086 --> 01:51:37,916
Like the low-budget
action movies
we grew up loving.

2303
01:51:38,119 --> 01:51:40,518
So we had Mark Dacascos
in<i> John Wick 3.</i>

2304
01:51:40,687 --> 01:51:43,385
I mean, we had Gary Daniels
in number two,
Daniel Bernhardt,

2305
01:51:43,587 --> 01:51:46,124
you know, Yayan and Cecep
from<i> The Raid.</i>

2306
01:51:46,292 --> 01:51:48,128
I mean, look who we got
on number four.

2307
01:51:48,297 --> 01:51:49,898
That was one of the things.
We don't know the script,

2308
01:51:50,100 --> 01:51:52,303
but I know Scott Adkins
is going to be in a fat suit.

2309
01:51:52,506 --> 01:51:54,403
Chad, I want to be
in<i> John Wick 4.</i>

2310
01:51:54,605 --> 01:51:56,003
Yeah.
That phone call--

2311
01:51:56,172 --> 01:51:57,967
Thanks for this opportunity.
I really appreciate it.

2312
01:51:58,136 --> 01:51:59,478
I remember that phone call--

2313
01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:01,478
But I don't wanna do
another movie with you.

2314
01:52:01,614 --> 01:52:04,475
I've had enough,
to be quite frank.

2315
01:52:04,643 --> 01:52:06,883
Nothing's better for me when
I get to call up Marko Zaror,

2316
01:52:07,052 --> 01:52:09,550
who I didn't know before
we worked together, saying,

2317
01:52:09,719 --> 01:52:12,188
"Hey, man, I really love
all your films." He's like,
"You're kidding, right?"

2318
01:52:12,357 --> 01:52:14,654
I was like, "No, really.
We watch them all the time.
They're awesome."

2319
01:52:14,822 --> 01:52:16,386
I killed Mark Dacascos.

2320
01:52:16,622 --> 01:52:18,556
I killed Scott Adkins. Now
I'm going to kill Marko Zaror.

2321
01:52:18,692 --> 01:52:20,091
[chuckles]

2322
01:52:20,393 --> 01:52:22,627
Who's left, man?
Cynthia Rothrock?
[chuckles]

2323
01:52:22,696 --> 01:52:25,997
[Stahelski] Shamier,
when you come in,
give it a one one-thousand,

2324
01:52:26,166 --> 01:52:27,865
then he can
build in his look.
Cool.

2325
01:52:28,034 --> 01:52:29,538
Beat, one one-thousand, go.

2326
01:52:29,707 --> 01:52:30,871
That's your first one.
Cool.

2327
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:33,373
Should I wait to see him
before I dodge?

2328
01:52:33,542 --> 01:52:36,539
I think you could do it
at the same time.
Shamier counts to 1,000.

2329
01:52:36,708 --> 01:52:38,542
If you go to peek
as soon as you hit...
[Reeves] Okay.

2330
01:52:38,710 --> 01:52:40,418
...you'll run into him
and that can be the,
"Oh, shit."

2331
01:52:40,587 --> 01:52:42,614
[Reeves] Okay.
Someone say action.

2332
01:52:42,816 --> 01:52:44,787
Ready, and action.

2333
01:52:44,989 --> 01:52:47,190
[Anderson imitates gunfire]
Boom. Go back. Boom.

2334
01:52:47,359 --> 01:52:48,255
[Anderson] Bang.

2335
01:52:48,424 --> 01:52:49,459
Bang.

2336
01:52:49,662 --> 01:52:53,293
Bang. Drop gun.
Draw. Bang, bang.

2337
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:59,137
[Stahelski]
Nice. Action hero.

2338
01:52:59,339 --> 01:53:01,367
[upbeat music playing]

2339
01:53:08,741 --> 01:53:11,608
We came up with
this idea for top shot
and what you see here...

2340
01:53:11,777 --> 01:53:13,908
Why do you keep saying "we"?
Well, I mean the crew.
Everybody.

2341
01:53:14,077 --> 01:53:16,084
'Cause like, okay,
I came up with the idea,
this is my thought...

2342
01:53:16,253 --> 01:53:18,119
What do you mean?
This is like
one of the first things,

2343
01:53:18,288 --> 01:53:21,491
this was one of the ideas,
the concepts that followed us,

2344
01:53:21,694 --> 01:53:23,318
the duel, the top shot...
Exactly.

2345
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:26,227
More horses,
that was on the plate.

2346
01:53:26,396 --> 01:53:28,928
So, we came up
with all this stuff.
Why? Where's the "we"?

2347
01:53:29,097 --> 01:53:30,497
Well... [chuckles]
...can you lie?

2348
01:53:30,700 --> 01:53:32,495
You! You!
No. No.

2349
01:53:32,698 --> 01:53:34,797
-You!
-They don't see it
'cause top shots--

2350
01:53:34,999 --> 01:53:38,002
No. There was no we who said,
"I see a top shot
in<i> John Wick 4."</i>

2351
01:53:38,071 --> 01:53:39,942
We wanted to do a top shot--

2352
01:53:40,445 --> 01:53:42,210
It was like, "I'm Chad
and, yeah, that's what
I see in my head."

2353
01:53:42,279 --> 01:53:44,475
All right,
so kooky director guy
comes up with this idea.

2354
01:53:44,644 --> 01:53:47,246
Thank you.
And I used to play
with Etch A Sketch as a kid.

2355
01:53:47,415 --> 01:53:49,815
So, I'm like seeing things
in Etch A Sketch world.

2356
01:53:49,983 --> 01:53:54,357
And one of the things
I've always hated about action
movies is editing to hide,

2357
01:53:54,526 --> 01:53:55,923
camerawork to hide.

2358
01:53:56,292 --> 01:53:57,993
Because most times,
you don't have Keanu Reeves,

2359
01:53:58,062 --> 01:53:59,488
you don't have
six months of rehearsals,

2360
01:53:59,824 --> 01:54:01,426
you don't have the best
stunt teams in the world.

2361
01:54:01,628 --> 01:54:03,564
So, you're hiding wires,
you're hiding green screen,

2362
01:54:03,633 --> 01:54:05,464
you're hiding stunt doubles,
you're hiding,
hiding, hiding, hiding.

2363
01:54:05,566 --> 01:54:09,266
So what would happen if you
didn't have to hide anything?

2364
01:54:09,435 --> 01:54:11,472
We wanted to say,
"Hey, watch this, guys.

2365
01:54:11,674 --> 01:54:14,141
We're gonna see
Keanu Reeves do all this,
come up to a top shot

2366
01:54:14,276 --> 01:54:16,014
and then show all the bad guys
behind the wall,"

2367
01:54:16,182 --> 01:54:19,112
so the audience
is in on the gags,
even before our lead actor is,

2368
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:20,979
because they can see
the bad guys coming in.

2369
01:54:21,081 --> 01:54:22,344
Kind of like Etch A Sketch.

2370
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:24,484
But I don't think
there's been a time

2371
01:54:24,586 --> 01:54:27,156
where we haven't had pushback,
because people don't see it.

2372
01:54:27,325 --> 01:54:31,221
So, without maybe
telling anybody,
we started to build the set.

2373
01:54:31,423 --> 01:54:33,191
So we're already
spending the money.

2374
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:35,734
So by the time the
actual "no" came back,

2375
01:54:35,936 --> 01:54:37,901
we had kind of already built
three-quarters of the set.

2376
01:54:38,104 --> 01:54:42,970
So, the rationale was, "Well,
we might as well shoot it,

2377
01:54:43,139 --> 01:54:44,699
but you guys got to
do it in two days."

2378
01:54:44,935 --> 01:54:47,206
You don't take dictation
from the studio by any stretch,

2379
01:54:47,342 --> 01:54:49,209
but you try to figure out
a middle ground.

2380
01:54:49,378 --> 01:54:51,710
As someone who has to live
between the creative

2381
01:54:51,879 --> 01:54:55,816
and the financial and,
you know, the studio
and Chad, it's hard.

2382
01:54:55,985 --> 01:55:01,216
I mean, he never accepts no
as the answer. And beauty
and magic come out of that.

2383
01:55:01,385 --> 01:55:04,222
But man, you go fully gray.

2384
01:55:04,391 --> 01:55:06,725
[electronic music playing]
[gunfire]

2385
01:55:06,894 --> 01:55:09,433
[Stahelski]
I think that the proof's
kind of in the pudding, right?

2386
01:55:09,635 --> 01:55:10,933
Number one is pretty good.

2387
01:55:11,135 --> 01:55:12,936
Hopefully number two is better,
three is better,

2388
01:55:13,138 --> 01:55:15,436
<i> 4</i> is... I'm most proud of,
because I think

2389
01:55:15,639 --> 01:55:19,843
it's the most anime
with framing, composition,
depth of field.

2390
01:55:20,012 --> 01:55:22,046
[Harris] Chad has
always been very cognizant

2391
01:55:22,248 --> 01:55:26,043
that<i> John Wick</i> is a franchise
that's dripping with tone.

2392
01:55:26,212 --> 01:55:32,554
And it's that Sergio Leone,
like, take your time,
move through the scene,

2393
01:55:32,723 --> 01:55:34,255
be with the character.

2394
01:55:34,424 --> 01:55:38,389
Chad was very much into not
cutting into a lot of details.

2395
01:55:38,557 --> 01:55:40,732
He wants to play it
as wide as possible,

2396
01:55:40,901 --> 01:55:43,131
have dolly shots
and crane shots and Steadicam.

2397
01:55:43,333 --> 01:55:45,868
So we would try to move
the camera as much as we can

2398
01:55:46,037 --> 01:55:49,940
to make it more epic,
more classic.

2399
01:55:50,109 --> 01:55:52,203
[Harris] And so, even in
the earliest discussions,

2400
01:55:52,372 --> 01:55:53,745
we always make sure
that, like,

2401
01:55:54,014 --> 01:55:56,445
does this feel important
and does it feel special?

2402
01:55:56,548 --> 01:56:01,151
Does it feel like
we're presenting
an image worth resting on?

2403
01:56:02,555 --> 01:56:05,156
[crew chattering]

2404
01:56:05,358 --> 01:56:06,454
Pretty cool.

2405
01:56:06,623 --> 01:56:07,916
Sacré-Coeur.

2406
01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:10,655
John Wick's final scene.

2407
01:56:13,031 --> 01:56:14,495
[cameraperson]
This is where it happens?

2408
01:56:14,697 --> 01:56:15,597
The duel.

2409
01:56:15,766 --> 01:56:17,398
Should be pretty cool.

2410
01:56:17,567 --> 01:56:19,099
If we can only figure out how
to light it and how to shoot it

2411
01:56:19,268 --> 01:56:21,172
and how to perform it
and how to edit it

2412
01:56:21,375 --> 01:56:24,339
and how to put score to it,
make it look really cool,
we'd be set.

2413
01:56:26,739 --> 01:56:30,807
Especially because we start
shooting in... 34 minutes.

2414
01:56:31,748 --> 01:56:33,451
And so we begin.

2415
01:56:33,619 --> 01:56:35,284
[Western music playing]

2416
01:56:41,852 --> 01:56:44,589
[Reeves] After<i> Chapter 3,</i>
it was like, why?

2417
01:56:44,758 --> 01:56:48,458
And I was saying, like,
"The why is he has to die."

2418
01:56:48,627 --> 01:56:50,131
And I think as soon
as I said that,

2419
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:52,662
you-- you were like--
No, it's like, "I'm in."

2420
01:56:52,764 --> 01:56:54,498
Once you say that,
that's the period, right?

2421
01:56:54,667 --> 01:56:56,270
And then
you got to figure out how.
Yeah. How?

2422
01:56:56,439 --> 01:56:58,604
If he's got to die, like,
we got to make this count.

2423
01:57:00,276 --> 01:57:02,514
And I think that was
the hardest part, right?

2424
01:57:02,683 --> 01:57:06,178
Because we knew, one of the
first things we wanted to do,
like, we wanted to do a duel.

2425
01:57:06,347 --> 01:57:08,517
[Harbinger]
Positions, gentlemen.

2426
01:57:08,786 --> 01:57:11,222
[Stahelski] Then, you're like,
"Okay, but it's got to
mean something, like..."

2427
01:57:11,324 --> 01:57:13,684
[Reeves] Yeah.
[Stahelski] My duel was like,
"Well, he'll win."

2428
01:57:13,853 --> 01:57:16,224
And you're like,
"Whoa, whoa, whoa.
He's got to lose.

2429
01:57:16,426 --> 01:57:18,456
[chuckles]
But he wins
and he gets what he wants."

2430
01:57:18,625 --> 01:57:20,225
So, how do we get him out
of this whole life?

2431
01:57:20,427 --> 01:57:22,663
How do we
get out of everything?
Mmm.

2432
01:57:22,832 --> 01:57:27,530
And that's when we set up
the whole Donnie's
character's backstory

2433
01:57:27,699 --> 01:57:28,904
of saving a daughter.
[Reeves] Yeah.

2434
01:57:29,107 --> 01:57:30,641
[Stahelski]
And Hiroyuki's character

2435
01:57:30,809 --> 01:57:32,506
of the daughter survives him.

2436
01:57:32,675 --> 01:57:35,374
So you lose a friend
and a friend has to
fight you in the duel.

2437
01:57:35,543 --> 01:57:37,407
Because originally we had
Marquis duels you--

2438
01:57:37,609 --> 01:57:39,480
Right, yeah.
It took a little while.

2439
01:57:39,649 --> 01:57:42,615
It was like a clock trying to
figure out the right mechanism.

2440
01:57:42,817 --> 01:57:45,552
How do we tell
<i> John Wick</i> time? [chuckles]
Yeah, exactly.

2441
01:57:48,988 --> 01:57:51,692
[Lee] Chad always talks
about how he loves
the idea of frenemies.

2442
01:57:51,894 --> 01:57:53,897
It's in all of the movies,
but especially
in<i> John Wick 4,</i> right?

2443
01:57:54,066 --> 01:57:55,724
Like the Caine and Wick
relationship

2444
01:57:55,893 --> 01:57:58,331
and the idea that you can
love your brother,

2445
01:57:58,499 --> 01:57:59,734
but then also want
to kill your brother.

2446
01:57:59,903 --> 01:58:01,337
I missed you, John.

2447
01:58:03,801 --> 01:58:05,902
It's so good to
sit with a friend.

2448
01:58:07,379 --> 01:58:10,278
I love the Japanese concept
of secrets and hidden whispers,

2449
01:58:10,481 --> 01:58:12,910
meaning only a warrior knows
a warrior, only a soldier...

2450
01:58:13,079 --> 01:58:16,120
Like you have to be
in the trenches with someone
to really know them.

2451
01:58:16,322 --> 01:58:18,455
And just, I mean, that shot
alone, two guys sitting there

2452
01:58:18,658 --> 01:58:20,888
both knowing they have to
face each other the next day,
I thought that was--

2453
01:58:21,057 --> 01:58:23,260
In a church.
In a church.

2454
01:58:24,487 --> 01:58:25,922
We're damned...

2455
01:58:27,863 --> 01:58:29,233
you and I.

2456
01:58:30,702 --> 01:58:32,397
On that we agree.

2457
01:58:32,599 --> 01:58:34,103
What we've all tried to do
in<i> John Wick</i>

2458
01:58:34,271 --> 01:58:36,702
is link John Wick
to everybody in the movie,

2459
01:58:36,871 --> 01:58:39,203
so he's always got
a relationship,
so no one's a throwaway.

2460
01:58:39,371 --> 01:58:43,246
And I think that's why
John's so beloved,
even though he's an assassin.

2461
01:58:43,415 --> 01:58:45,579
I mean, even the tracker
who's literally just met him.

2462
01:58:45,748 --> 01:58:48,787
Because we don't have
the stereotypes
of good guy, bad guy,

2463
01:58:48,956 --> 01:58:51,651
we can fuck with
relationships like that.

2464
01:58:51,853 --> 01:58:55,056
Like Donnie and him
were probably best friends
at a point.

2465
01:58:55,225 --> 01:58:57,888
See you in the next life,
brother.

2466
01:58:58,057 --> 01:59:00,731
Like, Hiroyuki's a best friend,
but John puts him in danger,

2467
01:59:00,900 --> 01:59:02,329
and Hiroyuki stands up for him.

2468
01:59:02,598 --> 01:59:05,460
Friendship means little
when it's convenient.

2469
01:59:05,562 --> 01:59:08,833
To play with friendship
and bonding and loyalty
like that is a real luxury.

2470
01:59:09,035 --> 01:59:10,406
Fire!

2471
01:59:15,616 --> 01:59:18,977
[Reeves] You started
<i> John Wick 1</i> with John Wick
falling to his side.

2472
01:59:19,146 --> 01:59:20,344
[Stahelski] Yep.

2473
01:59:20,547 --> 01:59:21,846
[Reeves]
And then, there he is.

2474
01:59:24,415 --> 01:59:25,817
He gets his grace.

2475
01:59:31,758 --> 01:59:33,328
We're doing
this little focal thing.
Mm-hmm.

2476
01:59:33,497 --> 01:59:35,190
So I'll have you guys
look at the gravestone.

2477
01:59:35,392 --> 01:59:37,834
When I say "Laurence,"
they'll rack over
to you. You turn--

2478
01:59:38,003 --> 01:59:38,930
And then make my turn.
Exactly.

2479
01:59:39,099 --> 01:59:41,435
Very good.

2480
01:59:41,604 --> 01:59:43,534
[cameraperson] Is this
the last-- not last shot.

2481
01:59:43,736 --> 01:59:46,472
You're making the last shot
in the movie.

2482
01:59:46,641 --> 01:59:48,942
I think. Although,
I could change my mind.

2483
01:59:49,077 --> 01:59:50,175
Probably tomorrow.

2484
01:59:50,578 --> 01:59:52,907
Or now.
I've just changed my mind.

2485
01:59:52,976 --> 01:59:54,846
[cameraperson]
So it's not the last one?

2486
01:59:56,085 --> 01:59:57,453
Why? Who wants to know?

2487
01:59:59,024 --> 02:00:01,118
How much
does one more cost?

2488
02:00:01,287 --> 02:00:03,285
[chuckles softly]

2489
02:00:03,487 --> 02:00:05,993
We're still talking
about John Wick
and<i> John Wick</i> universe a lot.

2490
02:00:06,195 --> 02:00:08,725
But whether or not there's
a specifically<i> John Wick 5,</i>
I don't know.

2491
02:00:08,927 --> 02:00:11,566
Where do you think he is,
heaven or hell?

2492
02:00:14,200 --> 02:00:15,633
Who knows?

2493
02:00:15,969 --> 02:00:18,405
[Lee] I think the movies
are so, you know, hyperreal.

2494
02:00:18,474 --> 02:00:20,374
And we've proven that,
you know,

2495
02:00:20,543 --> 02:00:23,343
people can survive
all sorts of crazy things.

2496
02:00:23,512 --> 02:00:25,248
So, it's whatever
we want it to be.

2497
02:00:25,450 --> 02:00:27,446
We still have
ideas left...
I know. We still have--

2498
02:00:27,515 --> 02:00:29,385
...that we
haven't done, man!

2499
02:00:29,888 --> 02:00:34,121
[Iwanyk] It is a bit surreal
that after a decade
of nonstop<i> John Wick,</i>

2500
02:00:34,190 --> 02:00:36,885
that we'll have a break
and that Chad's going off
and do another movie.

2501
02:00:37,054 --> 02:00:38,856
I'm hoping, selfishly,
he's gonna go,

2502
02:00:39,025 --> 02:00:41,191
"This is what it's like
to direct a regular movie.

2503
02:00:41,527 --> 02:00:43,891
I want to go back
to<i> John Wick,</i> where I could
do whatever the hell I want

2504
02:00:43,960 --> 02:00:45,330
and Keanu will do
anything I ask."

2505
02:00:45,498 --> 02:00:47,061
Creatively,
like, even if--

2506
02:00:47,230 --> 02:00:49,207
I mean, if you and I
just spend, like,
seven minutes

2507
02:00:49,376 --> 02:00:52,140
and we could figure out,
like, what haven't we done,

2508
02:00:52,342 --> 02:00:54,410
and we could come up
with ideas for<i> 5</i>

2509
02:00:54,579 --> 02:00:57,272
and it would be like...
You know, it wouldn't suck.

2510
02:00:57,474 --> 02:00:59,448
<i>Wick</i> is pain.
It'd just be a different pain
on a different day.

2511
02:00:59,650 --> 02:01:01,883
Yeah. But maybe
we can find
another story to tell

2512
02:01:02,052 --> 02:01:03,281
and cook another meal.

2513
02:01:03,483 --> 02:01:06,258
[crowd clamoring, cheering]

2514
02:01:09,320 --> 02:01:12,925
[Stahelski] I can't wait to see
what happens next in action.

2515
02:01:13,094 --> 02:01:16,464
It's like fashion. It changes.
There's generations.
It evolves.

2516
02:01:16,666 --> 02:01:18,895
To be part of that movement
is really exciting.

2517
02:01:19,064 --> 02:01:21,165
People always send me clips
of different movies.

2518
02:01:21,434 --> 02:01:23,904
"Hey, look, they're copying
<i>John Wick"</i> or
"They're trying to do gun fu."

2519
02:01:24,006 --> 02:01:25,374
I dig that.

2520
02:01:25,543 --> 02:01:26,634
You know, when you read
a script and it just says,

2521
02:01:26,836 --> 02:01:27,876
<i>"John Wick</i> action happens."

2522
02:01:28,045 --> 02:01:29,277
I kinda... You smile.

2523
02:01:29,446 --> 02:01:31,372
You're like,
okay, that's pretty...

2524
02:01:31,574 --> 02:01:33,275
I kind of play it off.
But I'm pretty like,
"That's pretty cool."

2525
02:01:33,410 --> 02:01:36,818
That's inspiring because being
competitive is what drives us.

2526
02:01:37,021 --> 02:01:40,951
And that's being competitive
with what's been done,
including ourselves.

2527
02:01:41,120 --> 02:01:45,155
I don't have any competition
with Chad in my head.

2528
02:01:45,357 --> 02:01:47,560
[chuckles]

2529
02:01:47,728 --> 02:01:49,131
I don't think
I have any competition.

2530
02:01:49,300 --> 02:01:51,565
I mean,
he does his own thing.

2531
02:01:51,734 --> 02:01:53,499
He's doing...
Well, he's in his own world.

2532
02:01:53,701 --> 02:01:55,272
He does<i> Wick.</i>
Like, he loves<i> Wick.</i>

2533
02:01:55,508 --> 02:01:58,401
<i>Wick</i> is fucking Chad.
Chad and Keanu, they're<i> Wick.</i>

2534
02:01:58,570 --> 02:02:01,640
They bleed<i> Wick.</i>
They die<i> Wick.</i> They're like
<i> Wick,</i> you know?

2535
02:02:01,809 --> 02:02:04,639
And that's why it's so good,
you know?

2536
02:02:04,841 --> 02:02:06,241
'Cause<i> Wick</i> is pain.

2537
02:02:07,119 --> 02:02:09,319
Um...
Maybe<i> Wick is pain.</i>

2538
02:02:09,388 --> 02:02:11,345
Maybe it's a great name
for the documentary.

2539
02:02:11,748 --> 02:02:15,490
I think if there's one thing
that the<i> Wick</i> process
has taught me,

2540
02:02:15,558 --> 02:02:17,294
just from watching
Keanu and everything,

2541
02:02:17,730 --> 02:02:20,388
is pain's not necessarily
a bad thing,
you know what I mean?

2542
02:02:20,457 --> 02:02:24,762
Pain's just the end result,
often, of just brave choices

2543
02:02:24,931 --> 02:02:26,832
or putting yourself out there
or trying to win.

2544
02:02:27,001 --> 02:02:29,864
Yeah, we all have to suffer.
We all have to train hard.

2545
02:02:30,066 --> 02:02:33,373
But to me, no, honestly,
I love that.

2546
02:02:33,575 --> 02:02:35,037
That's what I do
every day anyway.

2547
02:02:35,240 --> 02:02:37,379
You have to suffer a little bit
to be better, you know?

2548
02:02:37,581 --> 02:02:40,880
I mean, our bodies suffer.
Our minds suffer.

2549
02:02:41,645 --> 02:02:42,479
And I love that.

2550
02:02:42,648 --> 02:02:44,455
We want to make it the best.

2551
02:02:44,791 --> 02:02:47,884
And in order to make it
the best, you got to do
whatever it takes.

2552
02:02:47,952 --> 02:02:50,692
And sometimes it hurts.
It hurts.

2553
02:02:50,860 --> 02:02:53,724
And it hurts you,
and it hurts
the people around you,

2554
02:02:53,926 --> 02:02:55,729
maybe the people
that are close to you.

2555
02:02:56,031 --> 02:02:58,202
But<i> Wick</i> isn't pain.
I mean,<i> Wick's</i> a blessing.

2556
02:02:58,270 --> 02:03:00,330
I mean,
it's like movie magic.

2557
02:03:00,499 --> 02:03:05,840
It's, you know...
We all hit a creative
and financial jackpot.

2558
02:03:06,009 --> 02:03:10,006
And, you know, there
isn't a day that goes by
where I'm not like,

2559
02:03:10,209 --> 02:03:12,575
"Thank fucking god
<i> Wick's</i> a part of my life."

2560
02:03:12,777 --> 02:03:15,844
Is the pain worth it? Yeah.

2561
02:03:16,013 --> 02:03:17,752
It's just a lot of pain.
[chuckles]

2562
02:03:21,126 --> 02:03:22,626
[Reeves]<i> Congratulations.</i>

2563
02:03:22,828 --> 02:03:23,726
<i> Awesome.</i>

2564
02:03:23,895 --> 02:03:26,527
[applause]

2565
02:03:26,596 --> 02:03:28,498
[crew member] Good job.
Thank you, guys.

2566
02:03:28,967 --> 02:03:31,460
[Reeves] It's like one of
the greatest gifts
I've had in my life.

2567
02:03:31,529 --> 02:03:33,362
[chuckling]

2568
02:03:33,531 --> 02:03:34,697
Well done.

2569
02:03:35,066 --> 02:03:38,102
I had a<i> John Wick</i> decade,
my 50s.

2570
02:03:38,778 --> 02:03:40,310
Fuck yeah.

2571
02:03:40,679 --> 02:03:44,076
I don't know if I could have
another decade like that.

2572
02:03:44,145 --> 02:03:45,241
Um...

2573
02:03:46,185 --> 02:03:48,882
Yeah, I'd be
very, very lucky.

2574
02:03:50,384 --> 02:03:52,347
But, uh, yeah.

2575
02:03:53,854 --> 02:03:56,987
<i> Wick</i> is pain.
<i> Wick</i> is celebration.

2576
02:03:57,190 --> 02:04:00,762
<i> Wick</i> is surviving.
<i> Wick</i> is trying to be free.

2577
02:04:01,561 --> 02:04:03,193
<i> Wick</i> is grieving.

2578
02:04:04,367 --> 02:04:06,768
Against the odds, surviving.

2579
02:04:07,967 --> 02:04:12,477
<i> Wick</i> is friendship.
<i> Wick</i> is love.

2580
02:04:13,571 --> 02:04:14,771
You know?

2581
02:04:14,940 --> 02:04:18,080
It's all those
kind of big ideas

2582
02:04:18,248 --> 02:04:22,586
in this... action movie.

2583
02:04:31,223 --> 02:04:35,393
And<i> Wick</i> is funny.
And John Wick is funny.

2584
02:04:35,562 --> 02:04:38,228
[rock music playing]



