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[people chattering]

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[person 1]
<i> You want to try one?</i>

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<i>What do you say?</i>
[person 2]<i> Let's do it. Yes.</i>

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[person 1]<i> Let's shoot.</i>
[person 2]<i> Yep. Shoot.</i>

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<i> John, shoot.</i>

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[crew continues chattering]

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[person 2]<i> Let's go.</i>

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<i> Roll Keanu back up.</i>
<i> Let's shoot.</i>

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[person 3]
<i> Okay, let's mount up.</i>

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[person 4]<i> Here we go.</i>

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[person 5]
<i> Keep the charge. Go time.</i>

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[person 2]
<i> All right. And let's roll.</i>

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[person 6]<i> Quiet, please.</i>

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[pistol clicks]

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[person 2] And let's roll.

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[person 7] Rolling.
Very quiet all around, please.

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[person 8] B.
[person 9] Victory 88 Charlie,
Take 1. A-mark.

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[person 10] Guys doing
the shell casing,
it will come this direction.

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What's a good eyeline here
to look at them?

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[person 10]
Let's see. That's good.

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[person 11]
Here to here to here?

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No, uh,
bring it around a little bit.

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[person 2] That's good.

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[person 3] That's better.
You like that?

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So, I'll start here.
Three, two, one,
and I'll just be like, "Fuck."

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[person 3] Stand by.
[person 7] Standing by.
Here we go.

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Yeah, let's see what comes.
But if we can get the pull
and--

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[person 3] Quiet, please.
All right, very good.

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And thank you.
Okay. Ready and action.

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[grunting]

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[groans]

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[grunting]

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[person 3] Good. Cut.
[person 7] Cut.

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[person 3] There you go.
[Reeves] You like that?

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[person 3]
A little bit of anger is good.

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[Reeves] When we say,
<i> "John Wick</i> is pain,"

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it's kind of like
a "Fuck yeah," you know?

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It's like a "Fuck yeah.
<i> Wick</i> is pain."

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It's like,
"It's so good, it hurts."

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Or, "It hurts so good."

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Um...

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And I think...

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I think that's why
the audiences like it, too.

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I think you can see it
on the screen,

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and there's a kind of B movie,
B-action genre to it,

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taken to, like,
a super high artsy level
in a way.

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But there is the joy
of people getting hit by cars

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and falling from impossible...
Like, "You can't survive that."

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And-- And then John Wick
kind of getting back up
or struggling.

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It's like an invitation,
you know?

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And it kind of
takes care of you,
and it feels authentic.

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I believe
that that's in the movies,

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and that when you watch them,
you're like,
"Yeah, this is like..."

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As John Wick says
in<i> John Wick,</i>

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"It's personal."

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[upbeat electronic music
playing]

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You know, I always looked at it
with, like, art envy,

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with, you know,
Scorsese and De Niro.

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You know, like, De Niro
had his director, you know?

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And so, when I think of that,
then that's what I think of.

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Like, with
the<i> John Wick</i> role, I had--
I had my director there.

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[Stahelski] This is 87eleven.

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I try to start my day here
every morning at 6:00 a.m.

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before I go into the office.

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[stunt performer grunts]

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[Stahelski] This is where all
the stunt performers
come to train.

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We've trained
for all the<i> John Wicks</i> here.

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It's also where I have to come
and try to keep
the joints working.

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Yeah,
a lot of miles on the body.

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The wear and tear
of not just stunt work,

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but of all the martial art
and the physicality
that I've done.

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I've broken my hands,
both ankles, both knees,
both hips, both shoulders,

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both elbows, both arms,
several concussions.

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But if you're passionate
about something,
pain's part of it.

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I don't think you can have
one without the other.

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It's really about choice.

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What you're willing to do
to achieve what
you want to achieve.

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Nice.

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Growing up,
my dad was very athletic.
Mom was very athletic.

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Everybody in the house
got up at 6:00.

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Before we went to school,
we did laps with Mom
in the pool,

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or we went for a jog,
we went for a run with the dogs
or something like that.

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They had that discipline
of get up,
go do something physical.

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It was already instilled in me
way back then.

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[Eusebio] I-I remember
Chad goes, "What are you doing?
You wanna train?"

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I go, "It's Christmas Eve."
And he's like,
"Christmas evening."

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"You can train in the morning."
Like that kind of shit.

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[Stahelski] I, for some reason,
never gravitated towards
team sports.

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I was a shy kid.

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But when I was probably
only like ten years old,

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I saw a Bruce Lee movie.
I'm like, "I wanna do that."

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So I started doing judo
when I was like ten or 11.

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That kind of
led to the martial art career

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that I started
when I was in California
to go to USC.

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In college, I had met a student
who was one of
the associate instructors

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at the Inosanto Academy
in Marina Del Rey.

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Dan Inosanto
trained with Bruce Lee,

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and he was one of the greatest
martial art instructors
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The Inosanto Academy had
almost a collegiate setting.

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It wasn't one martial art.

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He'd bring in instructors
from all over the world.

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Amazing instructors.

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Literally, if I wasn't
going to school, I would
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or take the city bus
down to Marina Del Rey
from Downtown LA

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and take classes or spend
my weekends down there.

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I would sleep on
the floor or whatever.

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[Eusebio] Chad was probably
the best kickboxer
in that school.

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I used to watch this guy
just beat the crap out of
everybody.

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[grunts]

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I just remember,
if we were training kickboxing,

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he would try to come up
with the best training drills,

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the best kickboxing drills.

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Everything to just be
the best at what we were doing.

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That's always
been his thing.

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[grunting]

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My last year in college,
I had met a few stuntmen
through the Inosanto Academy,

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like Jeff Imada
and Brandon Lee.

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[grunts]

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Brandon was working on
his acting career,

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trying to, you know,
follow in his father's steps.

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Super motivated guy.

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Had the best laugh
on the planet. Really
talented martial art guy.

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[grunts]

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Every weekend,
we'd get together,

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and we'd do what we thought,
hopefully,
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but it was a bunch of us
just trying to figure out
how to sell a punch

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and learn how to be stuntmen.

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We'd have our old,
big VHS camera, trying
to figure out the angles.

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[chuckles]
I still have some of the tapes.

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I go back and look at them
going, "How did we
not kill each other?"

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I remember Brandon
coming into the gym one night
before a workout,

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going, you know,
"I fucking got it."

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We're like, "What you get?"
and he's like, "Look,
they're gonna make<i> The Crow.</i>

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I got the job
being Eric Draven."

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It was really, really cool.
Like, we were so happy for him.

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It was a big deal.
Big deal for Brandon
to get that.

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And that's, um,
that's kind of how I got
my first big gig in Hollywood.

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I was still competing
at the time and getting ready
for a big bout in Japan,

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and Brandon had just gone off
to North Carolina
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where they were shooting
<i>The Crow.</i>

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And we got a call
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We're like,
"He'll be fine. It's Brandon."

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You know,
we didn't think anything of it.

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And he died, I think,
14 hours later.

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And then the show shut down.
They were still
a couple weeks from finishing.

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Between Alex Proyas,
the director, the studio,
and Linda Lee, Brandon's mom,

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they decided
to finish the film.

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Jeff Imada had contacted me,
and he knew how close
we were to Brandon.

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He knew I was already doing
some stunt work at the time.

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And Brandon and I had
very similar body types.

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You don't know what to think.

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Selfishly, one part of me
is like, "Wow, this could be
really cool to finish, man."

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The other thing is like,
"What the fuck
are you talking about?"

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You're like,
"Your friend's dead."

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I-I can't recall
what my actual head
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but I decided to do the job.

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And Alex brought me down
to a little basement
in the studio there,

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and we watched for like
two days straight every
daily we could of Brandon.

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And he'd make me mimic walking,
talking, sitting,

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just every
mannerism Brandon had.

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And since I had known him
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it was one of
the most surreal experiences
you'll ever go through.

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Your career starts
because of that.

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[Bernhardt]
Chad, when I first met him,

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had, like, this long,
beautiful hair down to here.

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Insane. It was incredible.

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He looked like Daniel Day-Lewis
in<i> The Last of the Mohicans.</i>

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We actually met
through a mutual friend
at one of the first UFC fights.

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Somebody was watching it
at home, and we all
met at somebody's house,

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and Chad and I just met,
and we started talking about
martial arts.

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Totally hit it off.

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And I said,
"Hey, I'm up to do
the sequel to<i> Bloodsport."</i>

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He was like,
"I love<i> Bloodsport.</i>
I'd love to be involved."

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So he came onboard.

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He became one of the fighters.
He did one of
the fights with me.

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And Chad actually
choreographed that fight.

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And at the time,
Chad was really into trapping.

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We did a lot of trapping.

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Chad used all my kicking.
I'm a Tae Kwon Do guy.

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And it turned out to be
my best fight in the movie.

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So when
<i>Bloodsport III</i> came around,

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I ask him, "Would you like
to be the fight coordinator?"

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So he came onboard.

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This time, it's my turn.

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And I actually think the fights
Chad did at the time
were incredible.

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Even if you watch it now,

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it's still a little bit
like, you know,
'90s, like... [grunting]

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But the techniques
are already great.

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Then I did a movie
called<i> Perfect Target.</i>

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It was a smaller movie.
We shot it in Mexico.

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So, Chad tells me,
"Hey, listen. I have this buddy

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who's gonna come
and visit and wanna hang out
and maybe do some stunts."

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I'm like, "Absolutely."

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And I meet David Leitch.

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[Leitch] I started training
at a martial arts school
in college

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called
the Minnesota Kali Group,

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and they were affiliated
with Dan Inosanto.

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Once I was exposed to
those martial arts

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and that sort of
martial art community,
I was, like, obsessed.

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And that's where I met
a lot of my friends
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who are still my friends today.
And one of them was Chad.

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He was just saying one day
that he really wanted
to go into acting.

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And I was like, "Well, hey,
if you wanna be cast,
why don't you come out?

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We'll put you in the movie.
We'll teach you
how to be a stunt guy."

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You know, I was gonna go
to LA for holiday.

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And he's like, "Why don't you
just come to Mexico
and get on a movie set?"

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And I'm like, "Well, I'm not
gonna be working.
It's gonna be weird."

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And he's like, "Just come.
It'll be cool.
You'll get to see it."

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So, yeah, I took my money that
I was gonna spend on that trip,
and I flew to Mexico.

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It was an awesome experience.

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[Stahelski]
We just put him to work
as little background extras

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and then started
teaching him stunts.

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And then he looked like
one of the guys.

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So, "Hey, just double
this guy in this fight scene."

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He's like,
"What do I gotta do?"

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"Just snap your head
like this."

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I got to work one day on that.

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00:12:05.648 --> 00:12:09.085
Brian Thompson throws me
through a wicker chair.

221
00:12:09.287 --> 00:12:11.024
I was so excited.
Couldn't wait.

222
00:12:11.193 --> 00:12:13.692
Just do it again.
Take 2. Take 3. Let's do it.

223
00:12:13.860 --> 00:12:16.400
But luckily it was
a low-budget movie, so they
could only afford one take,

224
00:12:16.569 --> 00:12:18.000
so one breakaway,
and I was done.

225
00:12:19.035 --> 00:12:21.038
[Stahelski]
Dave wasn't pretentious at all,

226
00:12:21.207 --> 00:12:23.005
so it wasn't about looking cool
like stunt guys
are trying to look cool.

227
00:12:23.174 --> 00:12:26.567
He would play any part.
He'd play the guy
that would cry.

228
00:12:26.736 --> 00:12:28.612
He'd play the homeless guy.
He'd play the cop.

229
00:12:28.814 --> 00:12:30.479
A lot of stunt guys
just wanted to do the stunt.

230
00:12:30.548 --> 00:12:31.678
They didn't want to act.

231
00:12:32.014 --> 00:12:33.342
Dave was like,
"I'll do the part."

232
00:12:33.478 --> 00:12:36.284
So, very quickly,
his career kind of took off.

233
00:12:36.486 --> 00:12:39.788
After that couple of years,
we ended up getting
a run on television.

234
00:12:39.991 --> 00:12:42.526
Chad was doubling
the lead on<i> The Pretender,</i>

235
00:12:42.695 --> 00:12:45.025
and I was doubling
a ton of different guys.

236
00:12:45.194 --> 00:12:46.897
There was another thing
that was happening too.

237
00:12:47.066 --> 00:12:51.033
Martial arts had started
to come to America
in terms of action.

238
00:12:52.333 --> 00:12:56.970
Shows like
<i> Buffy the Vampire Slayer</i>
or<i> Martial Law.</i>

239
00:12:57.173 --> 00:13:01.608
And the stunt world
at that time was very cowboy,

240
00:13:01.777 --> 00:13:03.772
car, motorcycle oriented.

241
00:13:04.108 --> 00:13:08.979
But now when you had
this really specific need
for martial arts stuntmen,

242
00:13:09.048 --> 00:13:10.745
we became hot commodities.

243
00:13:10.947 --> 00:13:14.419
And that's when Chad
got his break
on the first<i> Matrix.</i>

244
00:13:17.095 --> 00:13:19.493
[Stahelski] Oh, my God.
That was the first time
I met you.

245
00:13:19.695 --> 00:13:21.360
[Reeves]<i> The Matrix.</i>

246
00:13:21.562 --> 00:13:22.927
It's impossible to really talk
about any of the<i> John Wicks</i>

247
00:13:23.129 --> 00:13:24.468
without talking about<i> Matrix.</i>

248
00:13:24.637 --> 00:13:26.399
-Yeah.
-That's where we all met.

249
00:13:26.567 --> 00:13:28.998
I got this call saying
they were looking for
martial art doubles

250
00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:31.442
for Keanu for a sci-fi movie.

251
00:13:31.611 --> 00:13:33.736
A sci-fi movie!
It was a sci-fi movie.

252
00:13:33.904 --> 00:13:36.772
So I got the call,
and I literally
just went in for an audition,

253
00:13:36.940 --> 00:13:39.076
and that's where I met
Yuen Woo-Ping
and all the guys.

254
00:13:39.245 --> 00:13:41.081
Then they introduced me
to Tiger Chen.

255
00:13:41.250 --> 00:13:43.644
[Reeves] Two-time national
Chinese wushu champion.

256
00:13:43.813 --> 00:13:47.249
[Stahelski] Yeah. It was
pretty mind-blowing actually.

257
00:13:47.418 --> 00:13:49.853
This is Chen Hu.
Call him Tiger Chen.

258
00:13:50.055 --> 00:13:52.955
He was in charge of
training Keanu Reeves
for all the<i> Matrix</i> movies.

259
00:13:53.124 --> 00:13:54.730
He's also my coach.

260
00:13:54.932 --> 00:13:57.625
One of the best performers ever
in<i> wuxia.</i>

261
00:13:57.794 --> 00:14:00.795
So, when I got called
to do the audition in Burbank,

262
00:14:00.964 --> 00:14:05.005
all that was told to me
was it's a Keanu Reeves
sci-fi movie

263
00:14:05.174 --> 00:14:07.268
and they need some kung fu guy.
Sci-fi movie.

264
00:14:07.437 --> 00:14:08.843
I'm like, "You need kung fu?"

265
00:14:09.012 --> 00:14:10.972
He said, "Just go down there
and audition."

266
00:14:11.141 --> 00:14:15.813
I meet Woo-Ping, I meet
the Wachowskis, and they say,
"Okay, follow him."

267
00:14:15.982 --> 00:14:19.814
And he goes fucking
Wile E. Coyote and just
does the Tasmanian Devil thing.

268
00:14:19.982 --> 00:14:22.392
Some of the best
martial arts stuff
I've ever seen.

269
00:14:22.594 --> 00:14:25.522
And I'm like, "Follow him?"

270
00:14:25.691 --> 00:14:28.999
Every tumbling pass,
every kick, every form,
everything.

271
00:14:29.168 --> 00:14:31.702
I'm, like,
in jeans and a T-shirt,
dripping in sweat, going,

272
00:14:31.870 --> 00:14:33.697
"Well, this is
a different kind of audition."

273
00:14:33.866 --> 00:14:37.407
He was like jumping,
kicking, punching.
Woo-Ping says, "This is good.

274
00:14:37.609 --> 00:14:39.072
He looks like Keanu, too."

275
00:14:39.441 --> 00:14:43.304
From the very first day,
he's training all the time.

276
00:14:43.373 --> 00:14:45.539
Every day, even the weekend.

277
00:14:45.708 --> 00:14:47.080
Every weekend
he's just calling me.

278
00:14:47.282 --> 00:14:49.678
I was like, you know,
trying to go out and play,

279
00:14:49.847 --> 00:14:52.484
you know, go somewhere to play,
he was calling me, like--

280
00:14:52.653 --> 00:14:54.559
-No, please. Please.
-"Can we training?
Can we training?"

281
00:14:54.728 --> 00:14:56.591
[Stahelski]
Please don't go karaoke.

282
00:14:56.793 --> 00:14:58.390
I just didn't want to suck.

283
00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:00.594
'Cause I saw Keanu,
and how much
they had trained him,

284
00:15:00.796 --> 00:15:03.231
and he had like a six-month
head start, and he was already,
like, really good.

285
00:15:04.898 --> 00:15:07.495
I had to go through so much
training to learn, like,
the kung fu and stuff.

286
00:15:07.664 --> 00:15:10.438
Hong Kong style.
All the wild wirework.

287
00:15:10.641 --> 00:15:14.273
[Stahelski] And wirework
wasn't huge even in
mainstream stunts at the time,

288
00:15:14.476 --> 00:15:16.576
so I'm almost learning
from Keanu a lot of the times.

289
00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:19.816
He had already been doing
the choreography a couple
months at least, right?

290
00:15:19.885 --> 00:15:21.880
And some of your kung fu
was outstanding.

291
00:15:22.048 --> 00:15:23.546
Well, no. Movie kung fu.

292
00:15:23.715 --> 00:15:25.617
The movie kung fu was pretty--
[Reeves] Movie kung fu.

293
00:15:25.820 --> 00:15:27.449
[Stahelski] You'd already got
the forms right,
everything looks good.

294
00:15:27.651 --> 00:15:28.923
You had the flexibility going.
[Reeves] Yeah.

295
00:15:29.092 --> 00:15:30.962
Oh, yeah.
There you are helping me out.

296
00:15:32.194 --> 00:15:34.262
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah. Fucking awesome.

297
00:15:35.194 --> 00:15:36.693
That's Chad into the wall.

298
00:15:37.394 --> 00:15:39.300
That's Chad into the wall.

299
00:15:40.067 --> 00:15:41.863
That's Chad into the ceiling.

300
00:15:42.065 --> 00:15:45.134
Oh, yeah.
Then he's gonna break his knee
coming down from that.

301
00:15:45.269 --> 00:15:47.071
That's right. Yeah.

302
00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:49.276
[Reeves]
There he is on crutches.

303
00:15:49.445 --> 00:15:51.310
[Stahelski] Before and afters.
[Reeves] Before and after.

304
00:15:51.512 --> 00:15:54.315
Yeah. We learned
so much on that show.
Oh, my God.

305
00:15:55.415 --> 00:15:56.952
[Leitch] Chad came back
from<i> The Matrix,</i>

306
00:15:57.188 --> 00:15:59.284
and he was like,
"Here's what's happening, guys.

307
00:15:59.420 --> 00:16:01.759
Like, they shoot
and edit their own stuff.

308
00:16:01.928 --> 00:16:04.062
They choreograph,
and they cut it all together.

309
00:16:04.230 --> 00:16:07.456
And they're telling
their own stories
in their own sequences."

310
00:16:07.625 --> 00:16:09.164
And they're like,
"We gotta do this.

311
00:16:09.366 --> 00:16:11.061
This is the way we should
be approaching all this stuff."

312
00:16:11.230 --> 00:16:12.567
[crew member] And action.

313
00:16:12.736 --> 00:16:15.897
[stuntmen grunting]

314
00:16:19.372 --> 00:16:20.943
[Leitch]
We started to do it ourselves,

315
00:16:21.379 --> 00:16:23.144
and we would get
all the martial art
stunt guys together,

316
00:16:23.213 --> 00:16:25.280
and we would choreograph
and edit fight scenes

317
00:16:26.547 --> 00:16:29.018
as an exercise,
but also because
we just loved it.

318
00:16:29.220 --> 00:16:31.754
[Perry] We would go and take
a scene from Jackie Chan,

319
00:16:31.923 --> 00:16:33.351
and we would
recreate that scene.

320
00:16:33.553 --> 00:16:35.317
And it became very apparent
that Chad and Dave

321
00:16:35.485 --> 00:16:36.660
were thinking like directors.

322
00:16:36.895 --> 00:16:38.157
Like, why did
the camera go there?

323
00:16:38.393 --> 00:16:40.964
Why did we use this lens?
How many shots?

324
00:16:41.067 --> 00:16:42.925
How many moves do we hold here
before we move here?

325
00:16:43.127 --> 00:16:46.100
Previs was a game changer.
Now directors saw
what we can do.

326
00:16:46.235 --> 00:16:47.696
[Stahelski]
Soon we became known for that.

327
00:16:47.899 --> 00:16:50.170
People would request them.
Directors would request them.

328
00:16:50.339 --> 00:16:52.136
Somewhere along the way,
we started a stunt team.

329
00:16:52.305 --> 00:16:53.539
Then we started
a stunt company.

330
00:16:55.607 --> 00:16:58.476
-[barking]
-They don't like that camera.

331
00:16:58.645 --> 00:17:02.218
[cameraperson]
They don't like it?
No. I can tell.

332
00:17:04.182 --> 00:17:06.723
[Moneymaker] The idea behind
87eleven was that
it was a one-stop shop.

333
00:17:06.926 --> 00:17:09.490
They were
an action design company.

334
00:17:09.659 --> 00:17:12.230
You come here
and you get a fight team,
a fight coordinator,

335
00:17:12.432 --> 00:17:16.067
stunt coordinator,
second unit director,
the whole package in one.

336
00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:18.495
Whoo!

337
00:17:18.664 --> 00:17:19.901
[Moneymaker] We were all
kind of with this team,

338
00:17:20.170 --> 00:17:21.505
we worked together,
we trained together.

339
00:17:21.607 --> 00:17:23.199
Chad and I got married.

340
00:17:23.368 --> 00:17:25.341
So it was a very fun time.

341
00:17:25.509 --> 00:17:27.571
Cheers.

342
00:17:27.773 --> 00:17:29.838
I'll talk to you in a bit. Bye.
See you later. Bye.

343
00:17:29.940 --> 00:17:31.508
[Hernandez] Even if
we didn't have a project,

344
00:17:31.944 --> 00:17:33.874
Chad would just
make us do drills
like we had a project.

345
00:17:33.943 --> 00:17:36.243
Put us in situations like,
"Choreograph this.

346
00:17:36.446 --> 00:17:39.313
You guys gotta learn
this martial art.
Let's do this. Let's spar.

347
00:17:39.482 --> 00:17:41.551
Let's put a knife in hand.
Let's see what happens
when we do this."

348
00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:43.225
[Stahelski] Our company
started to get bigger,

349
00:17:43.394 --> 00:17:45.894
and I was the one that was more
of a coordinator first,

350
00:17:46.063 --> 00:17:48.057
so Dave was working
for me a lot.

351
00:17:48.226 --> 00:17:51.600
Dave and Chad. Okay,
let's step out and narrate this
for a second, okay?

352
00:17:51.802 --> 00:17:53.100
[Stahelski] All right...

353
00:17:53.302 --> 00:17:55.730
Two partners.
Two best friends. Here we go.

354
00:17:55.899 --> 00:17:58.700
Aw, see, there's the hug.
Aw. [chuckles]

355
00:17:58.869 --> 00:18:00.538
They were best friends,
thick as thieves.

356
00:18:00.974 --> 00:18:03.411
You know,
always training together,
always working together.

357
00:18:04.548 --> 00:18:06.684
But then we were
very fortunate,
we had a lot of work offers,

358
00:18:06.786 --> 00:18:08.481
so Dave started
doing his thing.

359
00:18:08.883 --> 00:18:11.153
And he became
a stunt coordinator
and a choreographer as well.

360
00:18:11.222 --> 00:18:14.224
[Leitch] Switch your lead
to the right lead.

361
00:18:14.393 --> 00:18:18.459
[Renae] By that time,
they were like
this old married couple

362
00:18:18.661 --> 00:18:22.458
that bickered and fought,
but also, like,
tight as can be.

363
00:18:22.660 --> 00:18:24.859
We used to call them
Dad and Uncle Dad.

364
00:18:25.062 --> 00:18:27.737
[Leitch] Before<i> John Wick,</i>
Chad and I had directed

365
00:18:27.905 --> 00:18:29.202
a lot of second unit together.

366
00:18:29.538 --> 00:18:31.535
And then our company
was getting so many calls

367
00:18:31.604 --> 00:18:33.243
that we started
to work separately.

368
00:18:33.411 --> 00:18:36.214
I was doing big second units.
He was doing big second units.

369
00:18:36.382 --> 00:18:37.972
Action.

370
00:18:38.174 --> 00:18:40.115
We were seeing each other
every day
and talking every day.

371
00:18:40.284 --> 00:18:42.309
We'd riff different ideas
for choreography.

372
00:18:42.512 --> 00:18:45.412
He'd be on, like,<i> TRON</i>
and be like, "Hey, how
do I do laser disc things?"

373
00:18:45.581 --> 00:18:48.786
And I'd be like, "There's
some ideas," and bounce things
off of each other.

374
00:18:52.697 --> 00:18:55.625
[Leitch] You start to realize,
"I'm telling one third
of the story.

375
00:18:55.794 --> 00:18:58.127
I might as well tell
the whole story." [chuckles]

376
00:18:58.296 --> 00:19:00.263
[Stahelski]
Dave was already going down
the first unit director

377
00:19:00.332 --> 00:19:02.140
before I was actually.

378
00:19:02.575 --> 00:19:04.841
I was still, you know,
pretty content doing
all the second unit stuff.

379
00:19:04.909 --> 00:19:06.871
I was really getting the itch,

380
00:19:07.273 --> 00:19:11.011
and I was, like, out there
looking to find scripts
and get them developed,

381
00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:13.448
but to not much success.

382
00:19:14.449 --> 00:19:16.580
They were offered movies
left and right,

383
00:19:16.749 --> 00:19:19.416
but they were all like
the $5 million specials,

384
00:19:19.585 --> 00:19:20.958
and they
turned everything down.

385
00:19:21.127 --> 00:19:23.524
They were waiting
for the right, right project.

386
00:19:26.961 --> 00:19:28.661
At the time,

387
00:19:28.830 --> 00:19:32.797
I had finally optioned
my first screenplay
to Voltage Pictures.

388
00:19:32.966 --> 00:19:36.270
It was 1,500 bucks which,
at the time,
was two months' rent.

389
00:19:36.439 --> 00:19:38.309
And I was trying to figure out
what to do next.

390
00:19:38.478 --> 00:19:41.110
I remember just kind of going,
"I haven't done
a revenge movie."

391
00:19:41.278 --> 00:19:42.670
And our neighbors
were heading out of town,

392
00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:44.774
and they had
just adopted a chorgi,

393
00:19:44.943 --> 00:19:47.615
which is a Chihuahua-corgi,
puppy named Moose.

394
00:19:47.784 --> 00:19:53.450
And I always write
slouched in my chair
with a pillow across my chest,

395
00:19:53.619 --> 00:19:56.227
and the puppy
slept on the pillow.

396
00:19:57.261 --> 00:19:59.296
And I started writing,
and I'd be like,

397
00:19:59.464 --> 00:20:03.060
"Man, what if someone
killed this fucking puppy?"
[laughs]

398
00:20:03.262 --> 00:20:06.802
We had met Derek
on a general meeting.
I'd read another script of his.

399
00:20:07.004 --> 00:20:10.901
And he pitched this. He's like,
"I have this action script
I wrote called<i> Scorn."</i>

400
00:20:11.103 --> 00:20:14.811
I remember vividly
reading it that weekend
and emailing Basil.

401
00:20:14.979 --> 00:20:17.871
I still have the email,
and it was like, "There's
something about this script.

402
00:20:18.040 --> 00:20:19.243
I think it's 'cause
I love dogs.

403
00:20:19.445 --> 00:20:20.576
The villain's really thin,

404
00:20:20.878 --> 00:20:22.646
and it's not perfect
by any means,

405
00:20:22.714 --> 00:20:24.413
but I think
we should go for it."

406
00:20:24.615 --> 00:20:26.747
And he wrote back, "I agree."

407
00:20:26.950 --> 00:20:29.159
There was just a clean,
crazy hook.

408
00:20:29.328 --> 00:20:32.357
"You killed my dog,
and now I will exact revenge."

409
00:20:32.526 --> 00:20:34.726
I wrote it
with Paul Newman in mind.

410
00:20:34.895 --> 00:20:37.829
So, he was in his early 70s.
It was a Robert De Niro type.

411
00:20:37.997 --> 00:20:40.329
His wife dies,
he gets the dog,
and the car is stolen,

412
00:20:40.498 --> 00:20:42.030
and he kicks some ass.

413
00:20:42.199 --> 00:20:46.374
The dog was the last tenuous
connection he had to his wife.

414
00:20:46.543 --> 00:20:50.739
But the body count was,
you know, less than two dozen.

415
00:20:50.874 --> 00:20:52.679
[Iwanyk]
But I realized soon afterwards

416
00:20:53.048 --> 00:20:56.181
that I may have
backed myself into a corner
because of the age.

417
00:20:56.249 --> 00:20:58.880
And so then I was thinking,
"Okay, do you go with
slightly younger?

418
00:20:59.048 --> 00:21:00.882
You know,
what's that age underneath it?"

419
00:21:00.984 --> 00:21:03.020
Then we started
thinking about Keanu.

420
00:21:03.455 --> 00:21:06.662
Keanu's agent is Basil's
best friend from childhood
and my first boss.

421
00:21:06.731 --> 00:21:10.292
And he was like, you know,
"Keanu is looking
for something."

422
00:21:10.495 --> 00:21:16.063
[Iwanyk] He just did<i> 47 Ronin</i>
and was just finished shooting
<i>Man of Tai Chi.</i>

423
00:21:16.232 --> 00:21:19.772
He's ready to lean
into his movie star-ness.

424
00:21:19.941 --> 00:21:22.205
'Cause the thing about Keanu,
and a lot of actors like this,

425
00:21:22.374 --> 00:21:25.275
but especially Keanu,
when he feels like
he's repeating himself,

426
00:21:25.444 --> 00:21:27.214
he runs the other way.

427
00:21:27.383 --> 00:21:29.585
And sometimes
you have to get an actor

428
00:21:29.754 --> 00:21:33.422
when he or she is ready
to give the audience
what they want.

429
00:21:33.591 --> 00:21:36.093
And Keanu was at a moment
in time where he's like,

430
00:21:36.262 --> 00:21:38.585
"I'm ready to be
an action star again."

431
00:21:38.754 --> 00:21:42.894
And so we met, and soon
afterwards, he attached
himself to the project.

432
00:21:45.304 --> 00:21:47.829
We took about six months
of developing the script

433
00:21:48.031 --> 00:21:50.471
with Keanu's notes
with Derek Kolstad.

434
00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:52.637
We spent a lot of time together
on that first one,

435
00:21:52.806 --> 00:21:56.273
and it was slow going,
like page, line by line.

436
00:21:56.442 --> 00:21:59.913
He spent just as much time
on other people's dialogue
as he did on himself.

437
00:22:00.082 --> 00:22:04.250
At a certain point,
it was like, "Okay,
how much longer could this go?"

438
00:22:04.385 --> 00:22:06.480
We could develop this forever.

439
00:22:06.882 --> 00:22:08.855
And then, always-- there's
always an inflection point
on these movies, right,

440
00:22:08.924 --> 00:22:11.489
in development, when you
develop with an actor,
where you go,

441
00:22:11.658 --> 00:22:13.531
"Okay,
can we bring a director on?"

442
00:22:13.733 --> 00:22:16.426
And he said yes.

443
00:22:16.594 --> 00:22:20.127
But in the period of our
development, couple things
happened, unfortunately.

444
00:22:20.329 --> 00:22:22.732
<i> 47 Ronin</i> came out,
and it didn't do well.

445
00:22:22.934 --> 00:22:25.773
<i> Man of Tai Chi</i> came out
and disappointed.

446
00:22:25.942 --> 00:22:30.504
So the narrative that
Keanu Reeves is an action star
just evaporated.

447
00:22:30.673 --> 00:22:33.982
And all of a sudden,
our director list
went from here to like here.

448
00:22:34.151 --> 00:22:38.551
We're gonna have to really
work hard to find
a proper director for this.

449
00:22:38.754 --> 00:22:40.788
Keanu was like, "Listen,
I'm gonna give the movie

450
00:22:40.957 --> 00:22:43.988
to Chad and Dave
for second unit.
They're action directors.

451
00:22:44.655 --> 00:22:46.562
What if they directed?"

452
00:22:46.764 --> 00:22:51.835
So, from my notes
from an email,
in the forensics of<i> John Wick,</i>

453
00:22:51.937 --> 00:22:53.534
you met with Basil.

454
00:22:53.969 --> 00:22:56.939
I wanted you and Dave
pitched to them
to be the directors

455
00:22:57.008 --> 00:23:00.309
on April 29th, 2013.

456
00:23:00.478 --> 00:23:02.406
A week before,
you had sent me the script.

457
00:23:02.608 --> 00:23:03.872
Yeah.
And we had talked.

458
00:23:04.141 --> 00:23:05.644
And we had talked.
Well, you had sent it to me

459
00:23:05.712 --> 00:23:08.319
for the action.
For the action. Yeah.

460
00:23:08.488 --> 00:23:10.484
I was like, "Yeah"--
Well, no,
I had called for action,

461
00:23:10.653 --> 00:23:13.354
but then I think you
came back to me saying,

462
00:23:13.523 --> 00:23:15.758
"Dave and I
would like to direct it."

463
00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:18.259
Oh, no.
I think you smiled and went,
"Yeah, that's why you're..."

464
00:23:18.461 --> 00:23:20.495
Yeah. And so,
then I was like, Basil--

465
00:23:20.664 --> 00:23:23.700
You were manipulating us.
[laughs]
I was... [mumbles]

466
00:23:23.869 --> 00:23:25.101
But I was hoping.

467
00:23:25.470 --> 00:23:28.636
And then I saw
from Basil's email to me,

468
00:23:28.705 --> 00:23:32.770
he wrote, "Best
directors meeting he's had."

469
00:23:32.972 --> 00:23:35.537
We put together
this incredible lookbook here,

470
00:23:35.739 --> 00:23:41.111
and we started to sort of
build the worlds of<i> John Wick</i>
in the way we saw it.

471
00:23:41.313 --> 00:23:45.579
It was a lot more stylized than
I think anyone saw on the page.

472
00:23:45.748 --> 00:23:48.715
Peace. He's looking for peace.
[chuckles]
Look at that shot of Keanu.

473
00:23:48.884 --> 00:23:50.620
Emotional connection.

474
00:23:50.823 --> 00:23:52.592
See, we said
all the right things.

475
00:23:52.760 --> 00:23:54.463
We talked about it
being a modern fable.

476
00:23:54.665 --> 00:23:57.264
We talked about this sort
of visual minimalism.

477
00:23:57.433 --> 00:23:59.930
She knew
he needed an attachment.

478
00:24:00.099 --> 00:24:03.738
Yep. And that was a whole week
of casting for Daisy.

479
00:24:03.907 --> 00:24:06.567
[Leitch] We wanted
to have a world of,
like, fun cars.

480
00:24:06.736 --> 00:24:11.779
We wanted to have sort of
our exploration of action
and gun fu.

481
00:24:11.947 --> 00:24:14.778
Yeah, and again, sort of
the love letter
to graphic novels

482
00:24:14.947 --> 00:24:17.077
and anime
and all of that that we love.

483
00:24:17.246 --> 00:24:20.818
Transformation.
Guns, lots of guns.

484
00:24:21.021 --> 00:24:25.162
Boogeyman. World.
New York City. The Continental.

485
00:24:25.364 --> 00:24:26.360
They just
didn't talk about the action.

486
00:24:26.428 --> 00:24:27.957
They talked about the emotion

487
00:24:28.393 --> 00:24:30.362
about what the world
looked like
and about everything.

488
00:24:30.430 --> 00:24:32.027
I was blown away.

489
00:24:32.430 --> 00:24:35.499
This is--
It's a pretty damn good
lookbook. [laughs]

490
00:24:35.567 --> 00:24:38.975
You have to remember,
we saw<i> John Wick</i> as like
this tiny little thing.

491
00:24:39.144 --> 00:24:41.769
Two stunt guys directing,
like, "No one's ever gonna see
this thing, so fuck it.

492
00:24:41.937 --> 00:24:45.610
We'll just try some
weird ideas. We'll use it
like as a training exercise."

493
00:24:45.779 --> 00:24:49.113
And, you know,
then they said yes.

494
00:24:49.281 --> 00:24:51.854
And now we're like,
"We better know
what we're doing."

495
00:24:52.056 --> 00:24:55.257
I remember thinking,
"Oh, my God, we got
these two great action guys

496
00:24:55.426 --> 00:24:57.191
before anyone else
can get them.

497
00:24:57.259 --> 00:24:58.956
What a home run."

498
00:24:59.425 --> 00:25:01.555
And I'll never forget,
like three weeks
after we hire them,

499
00:25:01.624 --> 00:25:04.299
Ed Pressman,
the famous Ed Pressman
who's since passed away,

500
00:25:04.468 --> 00:25:06.627
calls me
about something else.

501
00:25:06.796 --> 00:25:10.003
And he goes,
"You stole my directors."
I'm like, "What do you mean?"

502
00:25:10.172 --> 00:25:13.141
"Yeah, we're about to go
into prep on a movie
that I was producing.

503
00:25:13.310 --> 00:25:14.505
They were gonna direct it."

504
00:25:14.674 --> 00:25:15.737
I'm like, "What movie?"

505
00:25:15.806 --> 00:25:17.413
And they're like...

506
00:25:17.915 --> 00:25:20.514
It was a movie
like<i> Midnight Run</i>
with Jean-Claude Van Damme

507
00:25:20.583 --> 00:25:22.611
and PSY
from "Gangnam Style."

508
00:25:22.780 --> 00:25:25.787
And I'm like,
"Those are the directors I got?
That was the other option?"

509
00:25:28.423 --> 00:25:32.022
[Kelley] Uh, the shorter
the beard is, the harder it is
to make it look real.

510
00:25:32.191 --> 00:25:33.787
[Leitch] Well, we would want it
to be a bushy one.

511
00:25:33.956 --> 00:25:35.232
Okay. Right, right.

512
00:25:35.434 --> 00:25:38.995
I mean, we have to make
some hard choices.

513
00:25:39.164 --> 00:25:41.895
I mean,
I was just like pulling,
like what is--

514
00:25:42.097 --> 00:25:44.339
I didn't know what exactly.

515
00:25:44.508 --> 00:25:46.803
Are they more
in this happiness?

516
00:25:46.972 --> 00:25:48.475
Yes, this is
more in their happiness.

517
00:25:48.644 --> 00:25:49.840
We're hoping for that.
Okay, okay.

518
00:25:50.009 --> 00:25:51.647
And of course,
what I worry about this is,

519
00:25:51.816 --> 00:25:54.877
you can see it on this side,
is how patchy that beard is.

520
00:25:55.046 --> 00:25:56.686
I mean,
that doesn't bother me.

521
00:25:56.855 --> 00:25:58.716
If you guys can live with that,
because if we get that short,

522
00:25:58.885 --> 00:26:00.314
I can't add hairs
to fill that in.

523
00:26:00.483 --> 00:26:01.919
[Smith] That doesn't bother me.
This bothers me.

524
00:26:02.288 --> 00:26:03.624
[Stahelski] Anything we do
is gonna get a picture taken

525
00:26:03.693 --> 00:26:05.220
and sent to people
making a decision.

526
00:26:05.389 --> 00:26:06.361
[Leitch] They'll approve
and we'll figure it out.

527
00:26:06.530 --> 00:26:07.992
[Stahelski]
We want the beard.

528
00:26:08.161 --> 00:26:09.863
[Leitch] The distributor
wants him not to have a beard.

529
00:26:10.132 --> 00:26:12.999
Like he's supposed to be
the Keanu Reeves
of<i> The Matrix.</i>

530
00:26:13.068 --> 00:26:15.701
And we're afraid
to shave it off because,
you know,

531
00:26:15.870 --> 00:26:19.040
he's done that look
a million times.

532
00:26:19.209 --> 00:26:22.279
Unfortunately,
they're distributing the movie
and have sold it foreign,

533
00:26:22.481 --> 00:26:24.745
and they know
what their people want, so...

534
00:26:24.914 --> 00:26:27.444
I guess nobody cares
what we want.
Asia hates beards.

535
00:26:27.646 --> 00:26:29.278
[person] I know.

536
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:30.916
[Stahelski] Asia hates--
[Leitch]
That's what they said.

537
00:26:31.085 --> 00:26:32.253
If we leave a beard,
no one's gonna see the movie.

538
00:26:32.422 --> 00:26:33.754
The movie's gonna flop.

539
00:26:33.923 --> 00:26:35.926
[Stahelski] Can't be
a first-time director--

540
00:26:36.095 --> 00:26:39.091
"First-time directors,
you want to hang it out there
and have a beard? Okay."

541
00:26:41.199 --> 00:26:42.963
Bye-bye, John Wick.

542
00:26:44.330 --> 00:26:46.263
Partial bye-bye.
We're not going bye-bye
all the way yet.

543
00:26:46.432 --> 00:26:48.639
[Stahelski] Yeah, no.
It's like,
"Hello, new John Wick."

544
00:26:54.909 --> 00:26:57.571
[Kelley] So,
this is the next guard down.

545
00:26:58.549 --> 00:27:00.576
[Stahelski]
Still looks like a beard.

546
00:27:00.778 --> 00:27:02.750
That's what
I'm concerned about too,
and what they're gonna think.

547
00:27:02.886 --> 00:27:06.051
Looks just like a beard.
[chuckles]
[Reeves laughs]

548
00:27:06.220 --> 00:27:08.483
[Leitch] Go to the next level?
Gotta go to the next level.

549
00:27:09.226 --> 00:27:10.620
Go one more down?

550
00:27:10.789 --> 00:27:12.157
Well, that's beard.

551
00:27:14.095 --> 00:27:15.794
[Smith] We're all just like,
holding on.
I know.

552
00:27:15.963 --> 00:27:19.003
They were pretty
straightforward about...

553
00:27:19.205 --> 00:27:20.299
[Kelley] No beard.
Yeah.

554
00:27:20.468 --> 00:27:21.433
[Kelley] Yeah.

555
00:27:21.602 --> 00:27:24.499
[tense music playing]

556
00:27:31.542 --> 00:27:33.248
[Stahelski] We're going to get
action out of the hair.

557
00:27:33.417 --> 00:27:35.015
Gotta get it a little bushy.

558
00:27:36.615 --> 00:27:37.655
A little...

559
00:27:41.421 --> 00:27:42.583
Okay.

560
00:27:46.958 --> 00:27:48.358
Chuck it! Chuck it! Chuck it!

561
00:27:52.161 --> 00:27:53.862
The suit
definitely helps.

562
00:27:54.064 --> 00:27:55.497
It's all about the suit.

563
00:27:56.935 --> 00:27:58.467
It's all about the suit.

564
00:28:04.574 --> 00:28:06.183
[cameraperson]
Tomorrow will be
the first day, right?

565
00:28:06.352 --> 00:28:07.814
Tomorrow will be the first day.

566
00:28:07.983 --> 00:28:09.817
Tomorrow will be
the first day of photography.

567
00:28:09.986 --> 00:28:13.216
[Leitch] We are looking at
the John Wick house,

568
00:28:13.418 --> 00:28:16.460
and it's sort of three-quarters
of the way dressed.

569
00:28:16.628 --> 00:28:19.154
And we're gonna block
some scenes here

570
00:28:19.323 --> 00:28:22.165
and be ready
to shoot tomorrow, hopefully.

571
00:28:22.334 --> 00:28:23.558
We're getting on with it.

572
00:28:28.167 --> 00:28:30.466
[laughs]
[cameraperson]
What does it say?

573
00:28:31.334 --> 00:28:33.040
[Leitch]
We're shooting on Monday?

574
00:28:33.706 --> 00:28:34.637
[phone ringing]

575
00:28:34.806 --> 00:28:36.307
Oh. Peter Lawson.

576
00:28:39.842 --> 00:28:40.883
Pete.

577
00:28:43.049 --> 00:28:44.722
I'm great.
I just got the email.

578
00:28:46.286 --> 00:28:49.753
We are temporarily shut down
until further notice.

579
00:28:49.955 --> 00:28:52.519
It seems our equity investor

580
00:28:52.688 --> 00:28:56.761
who had to come up with
the 6.5 to cover the gap,

581
00:28:56.963 --> 00:29:00.100
um, he's five and a half short.

582
00:29:02.334 --> 00:29:06.103
We had some financiers
coming in to gap finance

583
00:29:06.305 --> 00:29:09.375
because Lionsgate
presold the international,

584
00:29:09.544 --> 00:29:12.539
but there was still a delta
of what we needed
to make the movie.

585
00:29:12.708 --> 00:29:15.618
No one was ready to get onboard
for the domestic.

586
00:29:15.820 --> 00:29:17.854
So it was really
something that, you know,

587
00:29:18.023 --> 00:29:19.922
we were gonna
have to figure out
how to find the money.

588
00:29:21.221 --> 00:29:23.256
I mean, maybe if
we get Lionsgate onboard,

589
00:29:23.425 --> 00:29:27.022
and they take the domestic,
and we could
keep moving forward,

590
00:29:27.190 --> 00:29:29.395
but I doubt it at this point.

591
00:29:29.564 --> 00:29:31.634
I think everyone's
just gonna have to take
a kick in the nuts,

592
00:29:31.836 --> 00:29:33.936
and it's all probably
gonna fall apart.

593
00:29:34.900 --> 00:29:36.398
That's what I think.

594
00:29:36.567 --> 00:29:42.272
I think this is, uh,
the nail in the coffin. So...

595
00:29:42.441 --> 00:29:44.947
[cameraperson]
You think so, really?
Yeah, I do.

596
00:29:45.115 --> 00:29:47.309
[cameraperson stammers]
Wait, hold on.
No, I mean, I do.

597
00:29:47.511 --> 00:29:49.650
I'm not trying
to be dramatic for, you know,

598
00:29:49.852 --> 00:29:51.912
editorial reasons
for our documentary,

599
00:29:52.081 --> 00:29:56.420
but I don't know how you find
six-and-a-half million dollars
by Monday.

600
00:30:02.291 --> 00:30:05.669
[Stahelski] What little
I know of Basil, I know
he's not a quitter, so...

601
00:30:05.871 --> 00:30:08.267
He's a bit of a fighter,
so we're not dead yet.

602
00:30:09.765 --> 00:30:13.008
We are doomed. I mean,
we are completely fucked.

603
00:30:14.610 --> 00:30:17.412
We just had a gigantic hole.
There was just...
The money wasn't coming.

604
00:30:17.581 --> 00:30:22.142
And I spoke to my lawyer
and I'm like, "Well, say,
if this movie falls apart,

605
00:30:22.244 --> 00:30:23.719
who's gonna sue me?"

606
00:30:24.055 --> 00:30:28.116
And he's like, "IATSE, SAG,
the WGA, DGA." This...

607
00:30:28.185 --> 00:30:29.924
It was, like, horrendous.

608
00:30:30.360 --> 00:30:32.093
And he's like, "Listen,
you gotta just
get this movie made."

609
00:30:32.162 --> 00:30:33.693
[cameraperson]
Say if I was to give you
like six million--

610
00:30:33.895 --> 00:30:35.358
Hey, hon?
Can I call you back?

611
00:30:35.561 --> 00:30:38.000
I got Keanu on the other line,
so I need to talk to him.

612
00:30:38.930 --> 00:30:40.527
Thanks, hon. Bye.

613
00:30:40.730 --> 00:30:43.764
[Leitch] Hang on one second.
He's on the phone.

614
00:30:44.340 --> 00:30:45.502
Hello.

615
00:30:48.746 --> 00:30:50.309
What's going on?
How you doing?

616
00:30:53.278 --> 00:30:55.677
Nice.
Did Basil give you a call?

617
00:30:58.916 --> 00:31:01.859
He did not, huh?
You haven't talked
to anybody in the office?

618
00:31:04.094 --> 00:31:06.897
Excellent. They're
probably stalling on him.

619
00:31:09.768 --> 00:31:11.825
It's... Yeah, I...
[Leitch] Fucking...

620
00:31:12.294 --> 00:31:15.729
[Stahelski] I'm a little
annoyed, so I think
I'll just tell you myself.

621
00:31:15.798 --> 00:31:17.669
They've had a problem
with their gap finance.

622
00:31:17.838 --> 00:31:19.535
They're coming in.

623
00:31:19.804 --> 00:31:22.176
We've recalled everybody,
and they've pushed us again.

624
00:31:24.116 --> 00:31:26.306
I'm sure they're scrambling
trying to figure something out.

625
00:31:26.474 --> 00:31:28.581
We have a few options around.

626
00:31:28.816 --> 00:31:32.078
Luckily, we know a few people,
so we'll try and close the gap
as fast as we can.

627
00:31:32.214 --> 00:31:37.090
So we'll get back
to the office probably
in the next 45 minutes,

628
00:31:37.292 --> 00:31:40.194
storm into the office
and try to retake the beach.

629
00:31:42.731 --> 00:31:43.825
What did Keanu say?

630
00:31:43.994 --> 00:31:45.034
[chuckles]

631
00:31:46.167 --> 00:31:49.498
You know,
Keanu is a little different.

632
00:31:49.667 --> 00:31:51.700
When he yells and screams,
it's a good thing.

633
00:31:53.978 --> 00:31:55.873
When he gets really,
really, really quiet...

634
00:31:56.042 --> 00:31:57.614
Was he getting really quiet?

635
00:31:57.816 --> 00:32:00.874
He was the most quiet
I've ever heard him.

636
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:13.458
I reckon we'll lose about
20% of the crew.

637
00:32:14.566 --> 00:32:16.633
There's already people gone.

638
00:32:16.835 --> 00:32:18.534
[Iwanyk] A big part
of the production office

639
00:32:18.703 --> 00:32:20.133
just stopped coming in to work.

640
00:32:20.335 --> 00:32:22.101
But then another part of
the production office came in,

641
00:32:22.270 --> 00:32:23.740
and they would come
in my office, and like,

642
00:32:23.909 --> 00:32:26.200
"Do you feel confident
the money will come?"

643
00:32:26.368 --> 00:32:28.239
And I'm like, "I do."

644
00:32:28.408 --> 00:32:34.248
Uh, now, I was lying
because I had no idea.

645
00:32:35.750 --> 00:32:37.877
So much so, I had to give
my credit card
to the costume designer

646
00:32:38.046 --> 00:32:42.092
to buy wardrobe, and it was
really, really, really dodgy.

647
00:32:42.261 --> 00:32:47.827
Any chance of reducing
the budget by
six-and-a-half million dollars

648
00:32:47.896 --> 00:32:49.126
and making the movie happen?

649
00:32:49.462 --> 00:32:51.333
That script would
look radically different,

650
00:32:51.468 --> 00:32:54.403
and then you'd have to go back
to all of your
international buyers

651
00:32:54.572 --> 00:33:00.733
and go, "Hey, you paid us,
you know, 250,000
for the rights in Germany,

652
00:33:00.902 --> 00:33:02.836
but this is the script
you're getting now."

653
00:33:03.038 --> 00:33:05.981
And then everyone can go,
"I don't want that script.

654
00:33:06.150 --> 00:33:07.950
-I wanted the one
that I bought."
-Right.

655
00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:10.077
And so, you kind of
have to keep the integrity.

656
00:33:10.246 --> 00:33:11.816
You can change it.

657
00:33:11.985 --> 00:33:13.688
Slightly, but not--

658
00:33:13.891 --> 00:33:16.026
[Leitch] Yeah.
Six million dollars.

659
00:33:19.956 --> 00:33:22.662
[Leitch] Keanu gave back money,
Chad and I gave back money.

660
00:33:22.831 --> 00:33:26.366
Like, we all gave back money
of our salaries
to try and close the gap.

661
00:33:27.566 --> 00:33:29.629
I think Keanu had to defer
and write a check...

662
00:33:29.798 --> 00:33:31.336
[Reeves] Yeah.
Some of that going on.

663
00:33:31.505 --> 00:33:33.274
[Stahelski] ...just to keep
our department heads.

664
00:33:34.308 --> 00:33:35.868
[Iwanyk] I remember
I would walk to my hotel

665
00:33:36.071 --> 00:33:39.479
from the production office
for hours because I was like,

666
00:33:39.648 --> 00:33:43.385
"I need to get so tired so
when I get back to the hotel,
I pass out."

667
00:33:43.587 --> 00:33:45.989
Because if I don't,
I'm gonna sit there
and I'm gonna be like,

668
00:33:46.158 --> 00:33:48.018
"I'm fucked, I'm fucked,
I'm fucked, I'm fucked."

669
00:33:48.186 --> 00:33:49.484
We gotta fucking start.

670
00:33:49.686 --> 00:33:51.855
If we don't have
guys on planes by Monday,

671
00:33:51.990 --> 00:33:54.559
you might as well
cut the end sequence.
It's gonna be a gunfight.

672
00:33:56.299 --> 00:33:58.464
[Leitch] We've already
pushed for seven days

673
00:33:58.632 --> 00:34:03.002
and that's like
a half million dollars'
worth of money

674
00:34:03.171 --> 00:34:05.369
that just went out
the fucking window

675
00:34:05.538 --> 00:34:10.171
when the mo-- when we
were 600 short to start.

676
00:34:10.340 --> 00:34:11.306
[Stahelski sighs]

677
00:34:11.475 --> 00:34:12.676
[Leitch] It's a fucking mess.

678
00:34:16.453 --> 00:34:20.486
[Iwanyk] And then,
out of nowhere,
the money came through.

679
00:34:24.329 --> 00:34:27.422
[laughs]

680
00:34:27.624 --> 00:34:30.397
Should be fully
financed by tomorrow.

681
00:34:32.363 --> 00:34:34.203
Ready to shoot on Friday.

682
00:34:35.168 --> 00:34:36.998
[Iwanyk] We were blessed.

683
00:34:37.167 --> 00:34:40.207
It was insane that we
pulled this off
in the amount of time we did.

684
00:34:40.376 --> 00:34:42.609
It's gonna be...
This movie's about vengeance.

685
00:34:42.811 --> 00:34:44.347
Not John Wick's.

686
00:34:44.516 --> 00:34:46.015
Ours. [chuckles]

687
00:34:46.184 --> 00:34:47.849
[Iwanyk] And then we find out
while we're shooting

688
00:34:48.018 --> 00:34:49.752
that the money
was never from this guy,

689
00:34:49.921 --> 00:34:51.614
but it was
Eva Longoria's money.

690
00:34:51.817 --> 00:34:56.756
And I didn't tell Keanu
until after the movie wrapped

691
00:34:56.925 --> 00:34:59.190
because I didn't want him
to be like, "What the hell
is going on here?"

692
00:34:59.393 --> 00:35:02.197
So yeah,
if you look at<i> John Wick 1,</i>

693
00:35:02.366 --> 00:35:06.026
Eva Longoria, thank God,
pretty much saved the movie.

694
00:35:07.803 --> 00:35:09.600
We got through it,

695
00:35:10.069 --> 00:35:12.371
but I think that it
broke a little bit of
Chad and Dave's spirit

696
00:35:12.439 --> 00:35:14.739
because they were
first-time directors,

697
00:35:14.907 --> 00:35:18.047
and they didn't realize
that sometimes
this is the game.

698
00:35:18.216 --> 00:35:20.275
Things happen, especially
in independent movies.

699
00:35:20.443 --> 00:35:25.155
And so, we went into shooting
the movie. We were already
exhausted as we started.

700
00:35:26.689 --> 00:35:28.420
[Reeves] I mean,
I remember when
I got to New York, and I...

701
00:35:28.589 --> 00:35:30.760
You know, I like to visit
the production office.

702
00:35:30.862 --> 00:35:32.590
See what's going on.
Yeah.

703
00:35:33.026 --> 00:35:37.325
And I took John Saunders,
who was the first AD,
and I was like,

704
00:35:37.393 --> 00:35:39.796
"John, let's look at
the board," you know,
the shooting schedule.

705
00:35:39.964 --> 00:35:41.896
[Stahelski] I remember that.
You wanted to see the schedule.

706
00:35:42.065 --> 00:35:43.933
[Reeves] Yeah.
[Stahelski]
You're a schedule whore.

707
00:35:44.102 --> 00:35:46.841
[Reeves] And I was just like,
"How are we...
We can't shoot that.

708
00:35:47.043 --> 00:35:48.274
Like, how are we
gonna do that?"

709
00:35:48.442 --> 00:35:49.779
I remember you just
were shaking your head.

710
00:35:49.948 --> 00:35:51.841
I was like,
"No, we need more days."

711
00:35:52.243 --> 00:35:54.680
And he's like, "I know."
I'm like,
"We need to get more days."

712
00:35:55.816 --> 00:35:58.613
[Leitch] We could not
wrap our head around
what could go.

713
00:35:58.782 --> 00:36:00.517
How do we do that?
How do we do this?

714
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:03.759
And Keanu couldn't,
and the writer couldn't,

715
00:36:03.927 --> 00:36:05.787
and the producers couldn't.

716
00:36:06.290 --> 00:36:08.761
So we're like,
"We're just gonna make
the movie with less time."

717
00:36:09.897 --> 00:36:11.863
[Stahelski] You know,
we laugh and joke about
it's just a movie,

718
00:36:12.065 --> 00:36:15.167
but we all know, every
crew member knows that
you take it really seriously.

719
00:36:15.336 --> 00:36:17.297
You wanna do
the best job you can.

720
00:36:17.499 --> 00:36:19.273
You don't wanna let down
the people that stuck
their neck out for you,

721
00:36:19.409 --> 00:36:21.301
so you put a lot of pressure
on yourself to do it.

722
00:36:21.470 --> 00:36:25.278
I mean, at the end of the day,
we had known Keanu
for like the ten years,

723
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:27.981
eight years at the time
from all the<i> Matrixes.</i>

724
00:36:28.150 --> 00:36:29.945
But it's still Keanu Reeves.

725
00:36:30.114 --> 00:36:31.655
You don't wanna
let this guy down.
Like, he's a pro, man.

726
00:36:31.823 --> 00:36:33.284
This is Keanu-fucking-Reeves.

727
00:36:33.453 --> 00:36:34.815
Like, you do not
wanna let him down

728
00:36:34.984 --> 00:36:37.955
no matter what you think
the movie's gonna be.

729
00:36:38.124 --> 00:36:40.856
So we decided to give it
our all and put
a lot of stress on ourselves.

730
00:36:41.025 --> 00:36:43.296
[crew member] Guys,
gotta keep moving.
Gotta keep moving.

731
00:36:43.465 --> 00:36:45.059
[crew member 2] Rolling!
[crew member 3] Rolling!

732
00:36:46.430 --> 00:36:47.501
[crew member 4] Action!

733
00:36:50.041 --> 00:36:53.332
We were just
assaulted with problems.

734
00:36:53.501 --> 00:36:54.642
Go, go, go.

735
00:36:54.811 --> 00:36:56.041
Shoot, shoot.

736
00:36:56.209 --> 00:36:58.171
[intense music playing]

737
00:37:01.351 --> 00:37:03.312
[Leitch] Problems
from different departments

738
00:37:03.481 --> 00:37:04.646
and then budgetary problems.

739
00:37:04.815 --> 00:37:06.985
Gotta figure out
what scenes we can cut.

740
00:37:07.154 --> 00:37:08.750
[indistinct chatter]

741
00:37:08.952 --> 00:37:11.657
The usual on<i> John Wick,</i>
what scenes we can cut.

742
00:37:12.792 --> 00:37:14.363
'Cause we never
have time to shoot 'em all.

743
00:37:15.798 --> 00:37:18.258
In low-budget filmmaking,
you have to be
in your own movies.

744
00:37:18.460 --> 00:37:21.335
I would like to say this was
a creative choice,
but it was budgetary.

745
00:37:21.504 --> 00:37:23.768
And then logistically shooting
in New York problems.

746
00:37:23.970 --> 00:37:26.674
[crew member] Excuse me,
you gotta keep moving.
Active walkway.

747
00:37:26.843 --> 00:37:28.168
[siren blares]

748
00:37:29.380 --> 00:37:31.906
[Leitch] I think it was just
the movie gods hated us.

749
00:37:32.109 --> 00:37:35.615
So we are on the cover
of the<i> New York Post</i> today.

750
00:37:35.817 --> 00:37:40.048
Vinny's fine work
in the prop department
is featured.

751
00:37:41.226 --> 00:37:43.216
Makeup's fine work.
Hair's fine work.

752
00:37:45.190 --> 00:37:47.524
-[Reeves]
The all-hands-on-deck...
-[Stahelski] That really helps.

753
00:37:47.726 --> 00:37:50.126
...on<i> John Wick 1</i>
was extraordinary.

754
00:37:50.328 --> 00:37:54.132
When we went in to start
crewing up, I mean,
we were a tiny little movie.

755
00:37:54.334 --> 00:37:58.304
No one was sure if we
were gonna go. So, we couldn't
really book a lot of crew.

756
00:37:58.506 --> 00:38:00.200
So, it was catch-as-catch-can
with the crew.

757
00:38:00.368 --> 00:38:02.569
We just take interviews
and whoever was
kind of available,

758
00:38:02.737 --> 00:38:04.209
whatever we... You know.

759
00:38:04.377 --> 00:38:05.738
People had to cut their rates.

760
00:38:05.907 --> 00:38:08.051
And then
for the prop department

761
00:38:08.220 --> 00:38:11.948
we got, no joke,
Vinny Mazzarella and Joey.

762
00:38:12.050 --> 00:38:13.917
[Reeves] Yeah, Joey Coppola.
[Stahelski] Joey Coppola.

763
00:38:14.353 --> 00:38:17.350
I mean, Vinny Mazzarella
and Joey Coppola,
those were our prop masters.

764
00:38:17.418 --> 00:38:21.057
And they were
just the coolest guys,
and they just got it.

765
00:38:21.226 --> 00:38:25.435
I mean, Vinny, like,
stopping-- Like,
we needed a garbage truck.

766
00:38:25.603 --> 00:38:29.230
And he's running on the street.
He's running down the street.

767
00:38:29.432 --> 00:38:32.004
[Stahelski]
2:00 a.m. in Chinatown
in New York on<i> John Wick 2,</i>

768
00:38:32.206 --> 00:38:35.811
we decided we wanted
a garbage truck to come in
the alley and back like--

769
00:38:35.979 --> 00:38:37.643
Yeah, back John Wick up.

770
00:38:37.812 --> 00:38:39.740
Vinny just said,
"What do you guys got
in your pockets?"

771
00:38:39.909 --> 00:38:41.283
We gave him a couple twenties.
Yeah.

772
00:38:41.452 --> 00:38:43.576
He came back in five minutes
with a garbage truck.

773
00:38:43.745 --> 00:38:45.288
With a garbage truck.

774
00:38:45.457 --> 00:38:47.621
He paid
the city garbage truck driver
a hundred bucks.

775
00:38:50.295 --> 00:38:51.986
[Reeves] I mean,
you make connections on films,

776
00:38:52.422 --> 00:38:54.526
but the connections
that were made
on this were really special.

777
00:38:54.595 --> 00:38:56.194
They were pretty good.
Yeah, we got lucky.

778
00:38:56.396 --> 00:38:58.295
Personal and creative.
Yep.

779
00:38:58.463 --> 00:39:00.128
You know?
Good people.

780
00:39:00.297 --> 00:39:03.433
Loving, who love their work,
who are amazing
at what they do.

781
00:39:03.602 --> 00:39:05.436
And they love the pain.
[laughs]

782
00:39:05.605 --> 00:39:07.336
And they--
And who love the pain.

783
00:39:07.505 --> 00:39:09.203
They love to suffer.

784
00:39:21.985 --> 00:39:23.822
Literally the day before
we started shooting,

785
00:39:24.923 --> 00:39:27.891
I saw Chad in the corner
like brooding, angry.

786
00:39:28.093 --> 00:39:29.895
I went to Dave, I'm like,
"What's Chad upset about?

787
00:39:30.097 --> 00:39:32.301
Like, somebody from the movie?"
He's like, "No, it's his wife,"

788
00:39:32.470 --> 00:39:34.534
and this and that.
I'm like, "What do you mean?"

789
00:39:34.703 --> 00:39:36.400
He's like, "Yeah,
I think they're separating."

790
00:39:36.603 --> 00:39:38.702
I'm like,
"Now?" This movie?

791
00:39:38.870 --> 00:39:42.042
We just got through hell
financing the movie.

792
00:39:42.211 --> 00:39:43.243
I wasn't getting paid.

793
00:39:43.445 --> 00:39:44.808
Not only
was I not getting paid,

794
00:39:44.977 --> 00:39:47.708
I took money out of our house
to fill some holes.

795
00:39:47.877 --> 00:39:49.680
And I'm like, "How can this be?

796
00:39:49.848 --> 00:39:52.147
How many more hits
can this movie take?"

797
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:54.914
Hey.
Hey. How are you?

798
00:39:55.116 --> 00:39:56.855
[Iwanyk]
And I spoke to Chad about it.

799
00:39:57.024 --> 00:39:58.358
I'm just like, "I don't care
what you're going through.

800
00:39:58.694 --> 00:40:00.958
You gotta just suck it up
and get through this."

801
00:40:01.027 --> 00:40:02.861
And he's like, "Absolutely,
don't worry about it."

802
00:40:03.029 --> 00:40:05.567
He's like, "I'll be dark
and self-loathing in private."

803
00:40:07.395 --> 00:40:10.063
[Stahelski] We went through
a horrible breakup.

804
00:40:10.232 --> 00:40:12.574
So I did the whole movie
separated from Heidi.

805
00:40:13.872 --> 00:40:15.941
When he's locked in
on something,

806
00:40:16.144 --> 00:40:19.843
when he's focused,
it's really hard
to penetrate the wall, right?

807
00:40:20.012 --> 00:40:23.683
So, I think in a relationship,
you know, it's hard,

808
00:40:23.852 --> 00:40:26.620
because when you're looking
for an emotional connection,

809
00:40:26.822 --> 00:40:30.120
or you're looking for
some kind of,
you know, something,

810
00:40:30.322 --> 00:40:33.029
and he's just
laser focused on something,
you can't get through.

811
00:40:33.198 --> 00:40:34.855
She felt
she needed something more,

812
00:40:35.024 --> 00:40:37.299
and fortunately
I agreed with her.

813
00:40:37.501 --> 00:40:39.092
And then we managed
to get back together again,

814
00:40:39.261 --> 00:40:42.568
of course after post
when I have all this time,

815
00:40:42.770 --> 00:40:47.135
only to get divorced
on<i> John Wick 2.</i> [laughs]

816
00:40:47.337 --> 00:40:50.607
So, you can see I'm laughing
at my own complete ineptitude

817
00:40:50.776 --> 00:40:52.482
to sort that out
and balance my life.

818
00:40:55.554 --> 00:40:57.812
[Leitch] What was really
frustrating for me was that,

819
00:40:58.014 --> 00:40:59.920
when we got
our one fucking chance

820
00:41:00.089 --> 00:41:03.153
that I personally
had been working on potentially
a lot harder than you

821
00:41:03.355 --> 00:41:07.255
to get out there
in the director world,
and you're gonna blow it up.

822
00:41:08.690 --> 00:41:11.799
It was hard for me
to be empathetic
'cause it didn't feel fair.

823
00:41:11.934 --> 00:41:13.867
Two weeks in,
Basil called me on a Sunday
and was like,

824
00:41:14.236 --> 00:41:17.969
"You need to be in New York.
These two are not
talking to each other."

825
00:41:18.038 --> 00:41:20.442
[Iwanyk] I actually thought
that two first-time directors

826
00:41:20.611 --> 00:41:22.976
would be better than
one first-time director
because,

827
00:41:23.145 --> 00:41:26.240
you know, two sets of hands,
you get more done
than one set of hands.

828
00:41:26.409 --> 00:41:28.446
Their disagreements seemed
like it was a progression

829
00:41:28.615 --> 00:41:30.644
through the course of shooting.

830
00:41:30.813 --> 00:41:35.190
It's almost like
the outside enemy of getting
the film produced was gone,

831
00:41:35.392 --> 00:41:37.186
so now
the infighting could start.

832
00:41:37.388 --> 00:41:41.259
I remember they spent
an hour fighting over
colors of bedsheets.

833
00:41:41.428 --> 00:41:44.358
Fucking, it's supposed to be
a fucking cool, hip place
where you wanna be.

834
00:41:44.560 --> 00:41:48.968
And it's like
a fucking lavender
purple fucking thing.

835
00:41:49.137 --> 00:41:51.503
[Iwanyk]
You know, in retrospect,
I was naive to be surprised.

836
00:41:51.672 --> 00:41:53.375
I think we
probably argued every day.

837
00:41:53.578 --> 00:41:55.037
But I don't think
it was an actual argument.

838
00:41:55.106 --> 00:41:57.008
I think it was we were both
stressed out,

839
00:41:57.477 --> 00:41:59.372
and we kind of took it out
each other 'cause when you
love each other,

840
00:41:59.441 --> 00:42:00.976
those are the people
you take it out on first.

841
00:42:01.144 --> 00:42:02.881
[Leitch] You know what,
do your fucking job.

842
00:42:03.250 --> 00:42:06.121
Making that movie
was like watching my parents
get divorced.

843
00:42:06.190 --> 00:42:09.959
We would wrap at like 3:00
in the morning, and I
would like cry walking home,

844
00:42:10.128 --> 00:42:11.720
being like, "What is this?"

845
00:42:11.922 --> 00:42:14.193
It's horrible, man.
[laughs]

846
00:42:14.362 --> 00:42:17.857
It's like Mom and Dad fighting
all the time.
I'm gonna need counseling.

847
00:42:18.026 --> 00:42:19.668
They're busy thinking.

848
00:42:19.836 --> 00:42:21.695
I think they're working out
their information for the day

849
00:42:21.864 --> 00:42:24.004
in their heads, maybe.

850
00:42:24.273 --> 00:42:26.170
At least that's what
I'm hoping that they're doing
during the silence.

851
00:42:26.272 --> 00:42:29.572
It wasn't about creativity.
It was about management styles.

852
00:42:29.674 --> 00:42:31.204
And I think that Chad,

853
00:42:31.640 --> 00:42:34.308
he gets a lot of juice
by blowing things up
for a second

854
00:42:34.377 --> 00:42:37.550
and then having people run
to put them back together.

855
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:40.018
And I just
don't operate that way.

856
00:42:41.117 --> 00:42:43.526
Do you like this
or do you like that?

857
00:42:43.695 --> 00:42:47.695
Does he put anything in his...
He takes his coffee black?

858
00:42:47.864 --> 00:42:49.930
[Stahelski]
Black like his snot.
[Leitch] Like his soul.

859
00:42:50.133 --> 00:42:51.263
Like his soul.

860
00:42:51.465 --> 00:42:53.094
[Reeves] How about that.

861
00:42:53.297 --> 00:42:54.767
[Stahelski] Is he
a single serving kinda guy?

862
00:42:55.003 --> 00:42:58.540
The irony of<i> John Wick 1</i>
was Chad and Dave were really,

863
00:42:58.676 --> 00:43:00.740
really, really comfortable
with the action sequences.

864
00:43:00.909 --> 00:43:03.008
The dramatic sequences
and the acting sequences,

865
00:43:03.177 --> 00:43:05.044
they were less so,
because they'd never really
done it.

866
00:43:05.212 --> 00:43:08.182
And so,
it was a strange paradox
from what you usually deal with

867
00:43:08.351 --> 00:43:10.115
from first-time directors.

868
00:43:10.317 --> 00:43:12.217
Usually, first-time directors
get overwhelmed by
action sequences,

869
00:43:12.386 --> 00:43:15.450
and the performance stuff
comes naturally.
It was flipped on this movie.

870
00:43:15.652 --> 00:43:18.223
I think we shot
inside the house for like
nine days, or seven days.

871
00:43:18.392 --> 00:43:20.890
Yeah. No, we camped out there.
There was a lot of John Wick
moping around,

872
00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:23.089
and we're like,
"This is the character."

873
00:43:23.224 --> 00:43:24.730
Remember how much we did?
Yeah.

874
00:43:25.033 --> 00:43:27.699
[Reeves] Because he's
breaking up you two, right?

875
00:43:27.768 --> 00:43:28.896
[Leitch]
He's breaking up your...

876
00:43:29.232 --> 00:43:30.705
[Stahelski]
Dave and I were so nervous

877
00:43:30.774 --> 00:43:32.599
that they were only
going to see us as stunt guys.

878
00:43:32.768 --> 00:43:34.600
We can't focus on the action.
We have to focus
about the acting,

879
00:43:34.769 --> 00:43:37.072
and the emotion,
and the pain
that this man is suffering.

880
00:43:37.241 --> 00:43:41.077
So we spent nine days
of a very small budget,

881
00:43:41.246 --> 00:43:44.612
very small schedule movie
of Keanu moping around,

882
00:43:44.781 --> 00:43:47.921
of Keanu cleaning out
the closet and packing
his wife's clothes up,

883
00:43:48.089 --> 00:43:50.992
and sitting there
staring into the darkness
and the abyss.

884
00:43:51.194 --> 00:43:55.458
I remember like on day three,
Keanu didn't say a word
for three days.

885
00:43:55.627 --> 00:43:57.163
He'd wake up,

886
00:43:57.365 --> 00:43:58.462
brush his teeth,

887
00:43:58.631 --> 00:43:59.727
look into a mirror,

888
00:43:59.896 --> 00:44:01.002
go across the floor,

889
00:44:01.204 --> 00:44:02.334
fill a dog bowl,

890
00:44:02.536 --> 00:44:03.630
say, "Come over here,"

891
00:44:03.798 --> 00:44:05.133
wake up,

892
00:44:05.302 --> 00:44:07.768
and the footage
was like mind-numbingly boring.

893
00:44:07.937 --> 00:44:09.402
And it was endless.

894
00:44:09.571 --> 00:44:11.780
You have a lot of John Wick
eating cereal by himself.

895
00:44:11.949 --> 00:44:14.147
Book making, right?
Remember he did
book restoration?

896
00:44:14.316 --> 00:44:17.316
I forgot that.
We wanted to show something,
that he's very precise...

897
00:44:17.485 --> 00:44:18.984
Precise.
Methodical.

898
00:44:19.153 --> 00:44:22.418
So we shot for like two days
of Keanu doing bookbinding.

899
00:44:22.587 --> 00:44:26.095
That's how terrified we were
of being pigeonholed
as action guys.

900
00:44:26.264 --> 00:44:28.457
Oh, the kick in the head.

901
00:44:28.625 --> 00:44:29.760
[groans]

902
00:44:29.929 --> 00:44:32.134
I like
this reaction.
I do too.

903
00:44:32.303 --> 00:44:35.529
You don't see that reaction
a lot with, you know,
like that kind of spasmy thing.

904
00:44:35.731 --> 00:44:38.467
You know, you fucking
vapor lock when you're
in fucking pain.

905
00:44:38.636 --> 00:44:40.170
[dog whines]

906
00:44:40.339 --> 00:44:41.701
-[Reeves] Oh, right,
killing the dog.
-[Stahelski] Yeah.

907
00:44:41.903 --> 00:44:43.009
[dog yelps]

908
00:44:43.775 --> 00:44:45.473
[imitates yelp]
Oof.

909
00:44:45.642 --> 00:44:47.810
You should have heard
that test screening
the first time. Oof.

910
00:44:47.978 --> 00:44:49.547
Never won that audience back.

911
00:44:49.749 --> 00:44:51.285
Oh, yeah?
[laughs] Oh, yeah.

912
00:44:51.454 --> 00:44:53.180
Our first test screening--

913
00:44:53.349 --> 00:44:55.222
How'd that go?
That dog-- That dog went.

914
00:44:55.424 --> 00:44:57.225
The audience went quiet,

915
00:44:57.427 --> 00:44:59.487
and people were walking out.

916
00:44:59.656 --> 00:45:02.329
The movie
was still pretty rough.
It was still really long.

917
00:45:02.497 --> 00:45:03.896
But yeah, it got weird.

918
00:45:04.098 --> 00:45:08.962
It is one of the most
famous principles in Hollywood

919
00:45:09.130 --> 00:45:10.535
is you never kill a dog.

920
00:45:10.704 --> 00:45:12.905
As soon as a dog is killed,

921
00:45:13.108 --> 00:45:18.012
you almost always are losing
a big chunk of the audience.

922
00:45:18.180 --> 00:45:21.147
[Reeves]
Oh, yeah, the blood shot.
[Stahelski] Yeah, blood shot.

923
00:45:21.316 --> 00:45:24.516
The puppy crawled his way
back to his owner
before he died.

924
00:45:24.685 --> 00:45:25.682
[imitates dog whimpering]

925
00:45:25.851 --> 00:45:27.423
When these dailies got back,

926
00:45:27.625 --> 00:45:29.652
we actually got
a stern talking to about,

927
00:45:29.821 --> 00:45:33.558
"Oh, fuck, you guys. What are
you-- like, what the fuck
are you guys doing?"

928
00:45:33.726 --> 00:45:35.061
You cannot kill the dog.

929
00:45:36.062 --> 00:45:39.201
"You're doing puppy porn,
like, gore."

930
00:45:39.370 --> 00:45:42.398
I'm like, "No, man, we got
the baby lens on. It's going
to be really artistic."

931
00:45:42.567 --> 00:45:45.708
They're like, "The puppy's
intestines are on the floor."

932
00:45:45.877 --> 00:45:47.510
I'm like, "It's not intestines.
It's just blood."

933
00:45:47.678 --> 00:45:49.401
We had a whole
argument about that shot.

934
00:45:49.570 --> 00:45:52.739
I remember shooting
the dog's death,

935
00:45:52.907 --> 00:45:57.116
and Keanu was on the floor
crying with
this stuffed beagle.

936
00:45:58.754 --> 00:46:00.013
And at that moment,
you're like,

937
00:46:00.182 --> 00:46:02.623
"This is either genius or,

938
00:46:02.825 --> 00:46:04.525
like, the worst thing
I've ever made."

939
00:46:04.694 --> 00:46:05.891
We always knew
we were gonna do it.

940
00:46:06.059 --> 00:46:07.554
Oh, yeah.
I mean,
it's the movie.

941
00:46:07.723 --> 00:46:09.093
There were others that kept
trying to talk us out of it,

942
00:46:09.195 --> 00:46:10.564
but we're like, "No,
we got to kill the"--

943
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:12.702
You got to--
[stutters]
Where's the movie?

944
00:46:12.771 --> 00:46:14.762
Yeah, we didn't
have a movie
without the puppy.

945
00:46:14.997 --> 00:46:17.706
[Reeves] No, you got to
kill the puppy so
you're killing the attachment.

946
00:46:17.841 --> 00:46:20.038
But I think there was
more talks about that.

947
00:46:20.207 --> 00:46:21.877
There was that and then
killing Alfie at the end.

948
00:46:22.045 --> 00:46:24.239
You can't just kill Alfie Allen
cold-blooded like we did,

949
00:46:24.407 --> 00:46:26.043
'cause that's
pretty icy fucking cold.

950
00:46:26.212 --> 00:46:29.044
Iosef, got to go.
You can't kill the puppy.

951
00:46:29.213 --> 00:46:30.585
And his wife--
Puppy's gotta go.

952
00:46:30.754 --> 00:46:32.720
And his wife has to--
We have to find out

953
00:46:32.888 --> 00:46:34.619
that his wife
was poisoned by the bad guys.

954
00:46:34.787 --> 00:46:36.386
No, the wife has to die.

955
00:46:36.554 --> 00:46:39.325
Those were the three notes we
got back from certain peoples.

956
00:46:39.527 --> 00:46:43.227
Even the night we were doing
the puppy, we knew
we had something good when--

957
00:46:43.396 --> 00:46:45.562
I think because we shot that
push-in over the blood first.

958
00:46:45.731 --> 00:46:46.963
[Reeves] Yeah.

959
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:48.630
And then,
you're just petting the puppy.

960
00:46:48.765 --> 00:46:49.800
Yeah.

961
00:46:49.969 --> 00:46:50.900
We're like, "That's awesome.

962
00:46:51.068 --> 00:46:52.433
That's going in the movie."

963
00:46:52.602 --> 00:46:54.470
And there was a lot of talk
behind monitors that,

964
00:46:54.638 --> 00:46:57.944
like, "Oh, no, we got to shoot
a second... a second version."

965
00:46:58.113 --> 00:47:00.111
Chad wasn't much of
a dog person back then.

966
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.412
Now he's got dogs,
and he's a dog person,

967
00:47:02.580 --> 00:47:04.477
and he's embraced them,
and he's done movies with dogs,

968
00:47:04.646 --> 00:47:06.349
and he's trained them
since they were puppies,

969
00:47:06.551 --> 00:47:09.185
and they bite people in the
neck and the balls and shit.

970
00:47:09.387 --> 00:47:11.789
But he never had dogs
back in<i> John Wick.</i>

971
00:47:11.957 --> 00:47:13.588
Like, he wouldn't go, like,

972
00:47:13.756 --> 00:47:16.495
"Chad's gonna direct this
heartwarming movie about a dog,

973
00:47:16.664 --> 00:47:18.029
a guy and his dog."

974
00:47:18.231 --> 00:47:20.495
That would have not been
Chad's first choice.

975
00:47:20.664 --> 00:47:23.431
Which is partly why it was so
easy to kill the dog, maybe.

976
00:47:23.600 --> 00:47:26.365
He was just like,
"We just get rid of the dog,

977
00:47:26.567 --> 00:47:28.210
then I don't have
to direct a dog."

978
00:47:28.412 --> 00:47:29.477
And now it's funny.

979
00:47:29.779 --> 00:47:31.606
All there are are dogs.
[chuckles]

980
00:47:31.674 --> 00:47:33.675
If that's the journey
that Chad's taken away,

981
00:47:33.911 --> 00:47:37.144
like he's become a dog lover,
then I'm glad
we created<i> John Wick.</i>

982
00:47:37.279 --> 00:47:40.383
Because it's huge for me.

983
00:47:40.585 --> 00:47:43.888
There's a guy that could be
getting a bead on you here.

984
00:47:44.091 --> 00:47:45.824
Which is why
you're hauling ass...

985
00:47:45.993 --> 00:47:48.364
Okay.
It's more like,
"Oh, fuck."

986
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:52.794
Sometimes people ask us,
"What shot in<i> John Wick 1</i> is
Dave's and what shot is yours?"

987
00:47:52.929 --> 00:47:56.135
I'm like,
"I don't fucking know."
Everything was a conversation.

988
00:47:56.304 --> 00:47:58.371
He'd be setting up A camera,
I'm setting up B camera.

989
00:47:58.540 --> 00:48:00.968
It was just such
an organic process. We'd
worked together so many times.

990
00:48:01.137 --> 00:48:03.645
We just knew this is
what we ought to do. We gotta
get this done. Let's go.

991
00:48:03.814 --> 00:48:04.980
Let's come up
with the best idea.

992
00:48:08.711 --> 00:48:12.020
[Stahelski] Dave had a much
more grounded sensibility.

993
00:48:12.189 --> 00:48:15.890
I was influenced more
by Tolkien
and Japanese anime and manga.

994
00:48:16.059 --> 00:48:19.086
And Dave wanted to be more
grounded, gritty, emotional.

995
00:48:19.288 --> 00:48:20.486
We gotta make it painful.

996
00:48:20.655 --> 00:48:22.256
So we both saw the movie
in different ways

997
00:48:22.458 --> 00:48:24.264
and we landed
in that sweet spot.

998
00:48:24.466 --> 00:48:26.996
Especially in the time period
with all the shaky cam
stuff going on.

999
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.103
That's why<i> John Wick</i> clicked.

1000
00:48:30.636 --> 00:48:34.601
Dave and Chad created that-- we
called it the John Wick style,

1001
00:48:34.803 --> 00:48:37.441
which was like long takes
and 30-beat fight scenes

1002
00:48:37.643 --> 00:48:41.012
where you're doing
like judo/jujitsu
with a gun in your hand.

1003
00:48:41.181 --> 00:48:42.881
That was something
created out of necessity

1004
00:48:43.050 --> 00:48:45.351
because of lack
of time and money.

1005
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:47.614
When you do
the punches and kicks,
you need the coverage, right?

1006
00:48:47.816 --> 00:48:49.956
You need over the shoulder.
You gotta sell the hit.

1007
00:48:50.158 --> 00:48:51.685
And we just didn't
have that kind of time.

1008
00:48:51.854 --> 00:48:54.258
So we all talked about, "Well,
how are we gonna do this?"

1009
00:48:54.427 --> 00:48:56.425
Well, we're gonna take judo
and aikido and like--

1010
00:48:56.594 --> 00:48:58.293
Wick is kind of the guy
that's going to grab you.

1011
00:48:58.495 --> 00:49:00.767
If I got your collar...
Yeah, you got him.

1012
00:49:00.936 --> 00:49:02.269
...it was over.
Yeah, he got you.

1013
00:49:02.438 --> 00:49:03.871
It was over.

1014
00:49:04.073 --> 00:49:05.533
But that's
the vibe we wanted.
It was over.

1015
00:49:05.835 --> 00:49:08.937
It was just like if I got
a collar, inside, anywhere,

1016
00:49:09.006 --> 00:49:12.704
if I got a collar coming--
it's just like,
"We're going, bye."

1017
00:49:12.873 --> 00:49:15.381
You have no choice.
You're in the machine.

1018
00:49:15.550 --> 00:49:19.078
You're going down.
You're spinning.
You're being twisted.

1019
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:21.582
But you had thought
about using that before
you did<i> John Wick--</i>

1020
00:49:21.718 --> 00:49:23.619
Yeah, we just never really
had the character for it.

1021
00:49:24.021 --> 00:49:27.662
You kind of implemented me
into like, "Let's see
if this can work."

1022
00:49:27.731 --> 00:49:29.762
Yeah, well, we had--
Take actor.

1023
00:49:29.931 --> 00:49:32.398
And experiment.
And experiment.

1024
00:49:32.566 --> 00:49:34.897
"Oh, yeah, he'll do it. I know
that guy. He'll come to train."

1025
00:49:35.066 --> 00:49:38.566
We had the close-quarter
choreography kind of worked out
with the gun stuff.

1026
00:49:38.735 --> 00:49:41.506
We just couldn't find
the test subject.
Yeah.

1027
00:49:41.708 --> 00:49:44.606
Once<i> John Wick</i> came about,
Chad and Dave
right away were like,

1028
00:49:44.808 --> 00:49:47.483
"Bring up the<i> Safe</i> footage.
Bring up the<i> Safe</i> concepts.

1029
00:49:47.651 --> 00:49:48.677
That's Wick right there."

1030
00:49:57.492 --> 00:49:59.858
[Eusebio] Back in the day, we
used to do-- well, we still do.

1031
00:50:00.061 --> 00:50:01.654
We do a lot of
Jason Statham films.

1032
00:50:01.857 --> 00:50:03.865
I remember there's one
movie called<i> Safe.</i>

1033
00:50:04.067 --> 00:50:06.125
And we were designing
concepts for that film.

1034
00:50:06.294 --> 00:50:12.037
And Chad challenged everybody
to combine jujitsu
and judo with gun stuff.

1035
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:14.536
And if you look back
at the<i> Safe</i> previses,

1036
00:50:14.739 --> 00:50:18.806
it's all the moves and all
the style of<i> John Wick 1.</i>

1037
00:50:22.150 --> 00:50:24.516
For gun fu,
you did the mix of airsofts

1038
00:50:24.685 --> 00:50:27.717
and use visual effects
for the muzzle flashes
and blood spurts.

1039
00:50:27.919 --> 00:50:30.850
Because back in the day,
we were using blanks,
real guns to shoot.

1040
00:50:31.019 --> 00:50:33.125
So you can't do
close quarter stuff.
It's dangerous.

1041
00:50:33.294 --> 00:50:35.392
At a certain range,
it's still lethal.

1042
00:50:35.594 --> 00:50:37.192
Usually it's like,
once you fire a gun,
you cut.

1043
00:50:37.361 --> 00:50:39.367
And show the guy
firing the gun,

1044
00:50:39.536 --> 00:50:41.896
and then you're on
the reverse so you know
you're in the safe zone.

1045
00:50:42.099 --> 00:50:44.530
So we're doing shots
that aren't cut
right in front of each other,

1046
00:50:44.699 --> 00:50:46.502
shooting each
other point-blank.

1047
00:50:46.671 --> 00:50:48.901
When they cut it together
and put the muzzle flash

1048
00:50:49.103 --> 00:50:51.337
and the blood splatter on it,
we all were like, "Oh, shit."

1049
00:50:51.506 --> 00:50:53.916
It was cooler than anything
we were doing in any movies
we were working on.

1050
00:50:54.118 --> 00:50:56.510
[Perry] We sent it to Chad
and he damn lost his mind.

1051
00:50:56.645 --> 00:50:57.917
[Leitch] And I was
looking at it like,

1052
00:50:58.287 --> 00:50:59.713
"Dude, we got to get this
in a freaking movie.

1053
00:50:59.781 --> 00:51:02.081
Like, this is insane.
This is awesome."

1054
00:51:02.283 --> 00:51:04.817
[Marinas] What's funny is
we all thought Jason
would murder that.

1055
00:51:04.986 --> 00:51:07.089
Like, he's so good at action,
that should be easy.

1056
00:51:07.291 --> 00:51:09.756
And in classic Jason style,

1057
00:51:09.959 --> 00:51:12.829
love him to death,
he had notes,
he had thoughts.

1058
00:51:12.998 --> 00:51:15.333
You know, maybe he
didn't want this. Maybe it was
a little too stylized.

1059
00:51:15.502 --> 00:51:17.729
I don't know what it was,
but for some reason,

1060
00:51:17.898 --> 00:51:19.601
Statham didn't
gel with the style.

1061
00:51:19.804 --> 00:51:23.605
I was kind of like, "You got
to be shitting me right now.

1062
00:51:23.807 --> 00:51:26.511
This is the coolest stuff
I've seen in so long."

1063
00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:29.150
That being said, they ended up
doing some small pieces of it.

1064
00:51:29.352 --> 00:51:32.554
If you watch<i> Safe,</i>
there's a little bit
hand-to-hand.

1065
00:51:32.723 --> 00:51:36.381
It's the introduction of it,
you know, in that one fight
in the restaurant.

1066
00:51:36.550 --> 00:51:41.021
There's just like
a couple moments where, like,
you see gun fu come to life.

1067
00:51:41.190 --> 00:51:44.064
But I think at that point,
Chad was like, you know,
"Fuck this.

1068
00:51:44.233 --> 00:51:46.400
We're holding this
until we get our shot.

1069
00:51:46.569 --> 00:51:48.904
Like, we're not letting
anyone else
see this, because..."

1070
00:51:49.073 --> 00:51:51.039
He was right.
It was gonna
blow people away.

1071
00:51:51.242 --> 00:51:53.432
And I mean, we were so
excited to put it into<i> Wick.</i>

1072
00:51:53.601 --> 00:51:55.775
Like, we couldn't wait.

1073
00:51:55.943 --> 00:51:59.574
[Eusebio] It's funny because
even though they're both
great action icons,

1074
00:51:59.743 --> 00:52:02.313
Jason's a bad-ass
physical specimen too,

1075
00:52:02.516 --> 00:52:04.912
it just looked different
when Reeves was doing it.

1076
00:52:17.359 --> 00:52:20.127
[Eusebio] If you say gun fu,
you automatically think
Keanu Reeves.

1077
00:52:20.296 --> 00:52:21.830
It's his style.

1078
00:52:23.902 --> 00:52:28.942
The great thing about Keanu is,
I mean,
he was just such a stud.

1079
00:52:29.111 --> 00:52:33.339
He does like 98%
of all his fighting.

1080
00:52:33.541 --> 00:52:37.314
His stunt double comes in
only when there's something
really sketchy,

1081
00:52:37.483 --> 00:52:40.117
like me throwing
him over the balcony.

1082
00:52:40.286 --> 00:52:43.351
He's so good. It's amazing.

1083
00:52:43.553 --> 00:52:46.195
One, you go right here.
Grab.

1084
00:52:46.397 --> 00:52:48.529
[Bernhardt] I remember
Chad and Dave
coming up to me saying,

1085
00:52:48.731 --> 00:52:49.830
"Daniel, pad up."

1086
00:52:50.099 --> 00:52:51.328
I'm like,
"What do you mean?"

1087
00:52:51.397 --> 00:52:53.068
We're doing masters,
you know,

1088
00:52:53.471 --> 00:52:55.764
where you do the fight
from the beginning
to the end, no cuts.

1089
00:52:55.833 --> 00:52:57.534
And I really haven't done that
in a long time.

1090
00:52:57.737 --> 00:52:59.498
And they're like,
"We don't have the time.
Pad up."

1091
00:52:59.667 --> 00:53:01.201
[Stahelski] Go, go, go, go.

1092
00:53:01.403 --> 00:53:04.774
[both grunting]

1093
00:53:07.508 --> 00:53:11.818
We shoot a master,
and I remember me
and Keanu's double, Jackson,

1094
00:53:11.987 --> 00:53:14.223
we were both so exhausted.

1095
00:53:17.656 --> 00:53:19.855
But it turned out
to be a really good fight.

1096
00:53:21.329 --> 00:53:22.856
[Stahelski]
We're rolling, guys.

1097
00:53:23.025 --> 00:53:25.131
I think it came out better
than we had ever thought.

1098
00:53:25.300 --> 00:53:26.362
Because you've
made it a character.

1099
00:53:26.531 --> 00:53:27.694
-Now it's like--
-[Reeves] Right.

1100
00:53:27.863 --> 00:53:29.297
This is where John Wick
got to be like,

1101
00:53:29.466 --> 00:53:30.630
okay, he's the gun guy.

1102
00:53:30.799 --> 00:53:32.702
Yeah.
Like, holy shit,
it worked.

1103
00:53:32.871 --> 00:53:36.570
Yeah, but I mean,
I think that ties
into your philosophy

1104
00:53:36.772 --> 00:53:38.741
and David Leitch's
philosophy

1105
00:53:38.943 --> 00:53:43.545
coming out of the school
of the Wachowskis
with the<i> Matrix</i>

1106
00:53:43.714 --> 00:53:46.512
was that character
drives the action.

1107
00:53:46.680 --> 00:53:48.354
The story of the action,

1108
00:53:48.790 --> 00:53:52.756
the character of the action
has to be
so connected to story.

1109
00:53:56.194 --> 00:53:58.165
[crew chattering]

1110
00:53:58.367 --> 00:54:02.029
Last take of<i> John Wick</i>
principal photography.

1111
00:54:07.710 --> 00:54:11.504
All right, that's a wrap
on principal
and additional photography.

1112
00:54:11.672 --> 00:54:12.710
Thank you all very much.

1113
00:54:14.541 --> 00:54:16.108
Good job...

1114
00:54:16.310 --> 00:54:18.412
[Stahelski] Hey, Dave, you
just directed your first movie.

1115
00:54:18.581 --> 00:54:19.918
What are you gonna do now?

1116
00:54:20.087 --> 00:54:22.684
Smoke crack. [laughs]

1117
00:54:22.852 --> 00:54:25.252
To everybody that
said we couldn't do it.

1118
00:54:25.421 --> 00:54:28.456
[Stahelski] We thought
the hard part
was gonna be training Keanu

1119
00:54:28.658 --> 00:54:30.598
and killing it
with cool action.

1120
00:54:30.767 --> 00:54:33.300
We wrapped, we were like,
"Oh, my God,
we did it. We're in the clear."

1121
00:54:33.503 --> 00:54:36.037
And then there's this thing
we found out called post,

1122
00:54:36.206 --> 00:54:38.200
where you actually
have to find the movie.

1123
00:54:38.369 --> 00:54:41.234
[Stahelski] If you want
distance, you got distance
right there. Look at that.

1124
00:54:41.403 --> 00:54:44.477
[Leitch] I think post
was where I had
the biggest learning curve,

1125
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.044
because you don't really do it
as a second-unit director.

1126
00:54:47.213 --> 00:54:50.876
[vocalizing noises]

1127
00:54:51.045 --> 00:54:53.949
And then cut to the
fast outside like...

1128
00:54:54.118 --> 00:54:56.548
We cut the assembly
and we thought,
"Oh my God, we did it."

1129
00:54:56.717 --> 00:54:59.755
We watched the assembly
and we're like, "What the fuck?
This is terrible.

1130
00:54:59.924 --> 00:55:01.926
Like, this is--
We're gonna never work again."

1131
00:55:02.095 --> 00:55:04.331
We showed it
to some friends and family,
and they're just going, "Yeah."

1132
00:55:04.534 --> 00:55:06.735
Tapping us on the shoulder,
"Good job, guys. Yeah, yeah.

1133
00:55:06.904 --> 00:55:08.168
You did your first movie."

1134
00:55:08.370 --> 00:55:10.064
I think that devastated them.
It was like,

1135
00:55:10.232 --> 00:55:12.472
"Guys, it's too long.
It's too long. It's too long."

1136
00:55:12.674 --> 00:55:16.769
The first cut of<i> John Wick,</i>
he was moping around his house.

1137
00:55:16.938 --> 00:55:18.972
It was like a
Swedish noir movie.

1138
00:55:19.141 --> 00:55:22.314
It was very blue.
He's crying, making coffee.

1139
00:55:22.483 --> 00:55:25.018
And you're like, "Okay.
I don't--"

1140
00:55:25.220 --> 00:55:28.079
I think people are-- They're
gonna wanna know when he's
gonna start killing people.

1141
00:55:28.248 --> 00:55:30.085
We were trying to hold on
to the script so tight

1142
00:55:30.253 --> 00:55:32.451
that I think we fought
everybody for the first four,
five weeks.

1143
00:55:32.787 --> 00:55:35.226
It's sometimes harder when
you're like, "No, but this
is the way I saw it,

1144
00:55:35.295 --> 00:55:38.697
and I just need to see it
that way until I don't see it
that way. Then I can..."

1145
00:55:38.899 --> 00:55:41.333
You know, and I'm like,
I've already
forgotten about that way

1146
00:55:41.502 --> 00:55:42.830
'cause this way
is already so cool.

1147
00:55:42.999 --> 00:55:44.835
Basil, he got mad at us
for being so depressed.

1148
00:55:45.004 --> 00:55:48.837
He's like, "What the fuck you
guys doing? Like, get to work."

1149
00:55:49.006 --> 00:55:51.111
We're like, "Well,
it's terrible. We failed."

1150
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:52.510
He's like,
"That's your assembly.

1151
00:55:52.678 --> 00:55:54.347
Like, now you gonna go
make the movie, guys.

1152
00:55:54.516 --> 00:55:57.713
Like, you got 20 weeks.
You know, hurry up. Go."

1153
00:55:57.915 --> 00:56:00.554
We're like, "I guess
this is directing, huh?"

1154
00:56:00.756 --> 00:56:03.648
[Reeves] You know, they had to
figure out the film in the cut,

1155
00:56:03.817 --> 00:56:06.492
and then the battles that
you have to fight with
the show business part of it.

1156
00:56:06.661 --> 00:56:08.390
You know, what do other
people think of the movie

1157
00:56:08.592 --> 00:56:10.156
that you thought you made?

1158
00:56:10.291 --> 00:56:12.259
"There's too much action."
"Not enough action."

1159
00:56:12.628 --> 00:56:15.569
"You can't really kill
the dog." "Wait, what?
What's the ending?"

1160
00:56:15.638 --> 00:56:18.037
"The ending doesn't work."
Gotta redo it, you know.

1161
00:56:18.206 --> 00:56:23.838
And I'm sure they had a lot of,
you know, [exclaims]
"Is this fucking terrible?"

1162
00:56:24.006 --> 00:56:26.808
We kind of found the movie
very, very slowly.

1163
00:56:26.977 --> 00:56:28.846
It was very slow.
But yeah, we were panicked.

1164
00:56:29.015 --> 00:56:31.378
You know, at the time,
remember,
it was all about fast editing

1165
00:56:31.547 --> 00:56:34.551
and shaky cam and all
that stuff. And we didn't have
a single shaky cam.

1166
00:56:34.720 --> 00:56:38.060
Our stuff was very
slow and with no VFX.

1167
00:56:38.229 --> 00:56:39.860
Yeah, we thought
the movie was terrible.

1168
00:56:40.029 --> 00:56:41.561
Everybody but Keanu.

1169
00:56:41.730 --> 00:56:43.231
Keanu and Basil were just like,
"No, just keep hammering.

1170
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:44.826
Keep going. We'll see you
in a couple weeks."

1171
00:56:44.994 --> 00:56:46.329
Part of it is
like your baby, you know?

1172
00:56:46.498 --> 00:56:47.927
It's the art you created

1173
00:56:48.296 --> 00:56:50.131
and you're really into it
and you're excited.

1174
00:56:50.200 --> 00:56:53.398
But then you're feeling
like self-conscious about,

1175
00:56:53.567 --> 00:56:56.907
"Is this moment
gonna be cheesy?
And are people gonna like it?"

1176
00:56:57.076 --> 00:57:00.207
And I know I like it, but I've
got to put it out in the world.

1177
00:57:00.375 --> 00:57:04.781
And it's all of that confidence
and insecurity colliding.

1178
00:57:04.984 --> 00:57:07.352
I gotta believe in myself,
but I also gotta deliver this

1179
00:57:07.521 --> 00:57:08.950
to an audience
and it's gotta work.

1180
00:57:09.152 --> 00:57:11.118
[Iwanyk] We previewed
the movie for the first time.

1181
00:57:11.287 --> 00:57:13.254
And the audience didn't know
what to make of the movie.

1182
00:57:13.656 --> 00:57:17.261
They're like, "What is this?
It's like Keanu
depressed and crying.

1183
00:57:17.329 --> 00:57:20.292
And what is happening here?
It's supposed to be
an action movie."

1184
00:57:20.494 --> 00:57:22.467
And I'll never forget, it was
the most important moment

1185
00:57:22.669 --> 00:57:24.396
in the entire
<i> Wick</i> franchise history

1186
00:57:24.731 --> 00:57:27.643
where Michael Nyqvist
calls John Leguizamo...
Aurelio speaking.

1187
00:57:27.711 --> 00:57:29.609
[Iwanyk] ...and says...
[Viggo]
<i> I heard you struck my son.</i>

1188
00:57:29.811 --> 00:57:31.377
[Iwanyk] And John says...
[Aurelio]<i> Yes, sir, I did.</i>

1189
00:57:31.546 --> 00:57:33.541
Because he stole
John Wick's car, sir,

1190
00:57:33.709 --> 00:57:36.779
and, uh, killed his dog.

1191
00:57:36.947 --> 00:57:38.643
[Iwanyk] And
Michael Nyqvist just goes...

1192
00:57:38.745 --> 00:57:40.288
Oh. [sighs]

1193
00:57:40.724 --> 00:57:43.715
-And the entire
audience laughed.
-Okay, we have them.

1194
00:57:43.784 --> 00:57:48.927
It's the greatest performance
ever in a movie
where someone says...

1195
00:57:49.096 --> 00:57:50.297
Oh. [sighs]

1196
00:57:50.466 --> 00:57:53.093
And I realized, okay,
they finally got it.

1197
00:57:53.262 --> 00:57:56.061
We're supposed to have fun.
This movie is crazy.

1198
00:57:56.230 --> 00:57:58.138
And from that moment on,
it played great.

1199
00:57:58.307 --> 00:57:59.770
I remember the first screening,

1200
00:57:59.939 --> 00:58:01.768
they give you these little
questionnaires to fill out.

1201
00:58:01.937 --> 00:58:03.644
And the first
question was like,

1202
00:58:03.813 --> 00:58:06.576
"Do you think
the killing of the dog
justifies all this death?"

1203
00:58:06.745 --> 00:58:08.241
And we divided it up
by demographics.

1204
00:58:08.410 --> 00:58:10.946
And I remember the men were
only on board at about 60%.

1205
00:58:11.115 --> 00:58:15.519
But like 98% of the women
were like, "Kill 'em all."

1206
00:58:15.722 --> 00:58:18.252
Because they knew it
was not about a dog.

1207
00:58:26.601 --> 00:58:27.862
[Iwanyk] We had
a really cool movie.

1208
00:58:28.064 --> 00:58:29.769
We had a movie
that I think we were all like,

1209
00:58:29.937 --> 00:58:32.165
"Boy, there's like
a world there
that we never realized."

1210
00:58:32.334 --> 00:58:34.540
And Ian McShane and
Lance Reddick really popped.

1211
00:58:34.743 --> 00:58:37.369
And Willem Dafoe was just cool.
We pulled it off.

1212
00:58:37.571 --> 00:58:40.479
And we should have a number
of domestic studio offers

1213
00:58:40.581 --> 00:58:42.474
because this movie
really works.

1214
00:58:42.910 --> 00:58:48.384
And then, we started to
screen it for the studios,
and everybody passed.

1215
00:58:48.453 --> 00:58:51.455
-Literally everybody passed.
-We didn't sell it?
Like, nobody wants it?

1216
00:58:51.623 --> 00:58:56.722
Like, this is better than
so many movies that I've
been asked to fix. [laughs]

1217
00:58:56.924 --> 00:58:58.164
It was heartbreaking.

1218
00:58:58.333 --> 00:58:59.862
I misread the marketplace,

1219
00:59:00.030 --> 00:59:02.193
and I put these people
in a really tough spot

1220
00:59:02.362 --> 00:59:04.538
because I advocated
making this movie

1221
00:59:04.707 --> 00:59:08.168
and put this movie together
that no one will ever see.

1222
00:59:08.337 --> 00:59:11.377
But someone at Lionsgate said,
"You know what? Fuck it.

1223
00:59:11.546 --> 00:59:13.747
We might as well
take the domestic

1224
00:59:13.949 --> 00:59:16.918
because we've already got the
territories for international."

1225
00:59:17.120 --> 00:59:19.553
There was a separation
between church and state
at Lionsgate at the time.

1226
00:59:19.722 --> 00:59:21.521
There was a domestic piece
and the foreign piece.

1227
00:59:21.689 --> 00:59:25.221
Lionsgate had only
sold the film foreign.

1228
00:59:25.390 --> 00:59:29.088
And so Lionsgate bought it,
but for no MG,
for zero dollars,

1229
00:59:29.290 --> 00:59:31.390
which is, you know,
not a great deal.

1230
00:59:31.525 --> 00:59:33.526
I'm like, "Okay,
that's better than nothing."

1231
00:59:33.928 --> 00:59:36.068
They're not believing in it.
They're not
guaranteeing us theaters.

1232
00:59:36.137 --> 00:59:39.005
But then out of nowhere,
their head of marketing
sends this trailer

1233
00:59:39.174 --> 00:59:40.609
that is awesome.

1234
00:59:43.011 --> 00:59:44.074
No!

1235
00:59:45.208 --> 00:59:46.742
And he's like,
"I could sell this thing."

1236
00:59:46.911 --> 00:59:49.213
This feels like
a Lionsgate movie.

1237
00:59:49.382 --> 00:59:50.382
You working again?

1238
00:59:50.551 --> 00:59:52.546
No, just sorting
some stuff out.

1239
00:59:52.748 --> 00:59:54.446
Let's figure out how to do
this movie, and we are gonna
do a wide release.

1240
00:59:54.748 --> 00:59:56.956
And then
something else happened
which was like a miracle,

1241
00:59:57.025 --> 01:00:00.287
but there was
a slot open in October.
A movie fell out.

1242
01:00:00.489 --> 01:00:03.028
There was this wide-release
action movie called<i> Kingsman,</i>

1243
01:00:03.196 --> 01:00:08.428
and for whatever reason,
they have moved the date
to next spring.

1244
01:00:08.597 --> 01:00:11.634
There's this opening here
in October. Let's go for it.

1245
01:00:11.837 --> 01:00:13.398
Then we were like,
"Okay, well,

1246
01:00:13.567 --> 01:00:16.806
we need to somehow let
people know about this movie

1247
01:00:17.008 --> 01:00:18.546
that's about to come out
in two months."

1248
01:00:18.715 --> 01:00:20.474
And so, the marketing team
says, "You know what?

1249
01:00:20.676 --> 01:00:24.886
We could premiere it
at the Fantastic Fest
Film Festival in Austin,

1250
01:00:25.055 --> 01:00:29.283
and that would be like
a week or two
before our opening weekend."

1251
01:00:29.452 --> 01:00:31.120
We've worked on so many
big action movies before,

1252
01:00:31.289 --> 01:00:33.587
and we've mentored under
a lot of great directors.

1253
01:00:33.756 --> 01:00:36.832
And it's been--
It's really incredible
to get a chance to,

1254
01:00:37.034 --> 01:00:40.427
like, show people what we
can do storytelling-wise
and action-wise.

1255
01:00:42.871 --> 01:00:45.230
We show the movie,
blow the roof off the place.

1256
01:00:45.399 --> 01:00:47.574
People freak out.
Twitter-space goes nuts.

1257
01:00:47.743 --> 01:00:50.272
Fanboys went apeshit for it.
They love it.

1258
01:00:50.441 --> 01:00:52.744
[Constantine]
Then all of a sudden,
reviews start coming in.

1259
01:00:52.913 --> 01:00:55.684
Reviews are fantastic.
Everyone's saying,

1260
01:00:55.886 --> 01:01:00.579
"This is not just
a typical action movie.
This is inspired."

1261
01:01:02.091 --> 01:01:06.692
I was more surprised
that nobody wanted it
in that buyer screening

1262
01:01:06.894 --> 01:01:09.787
than I was when we showed it
for the fanboys,

1263
01:01:09.956 --> 01:01:13.363
who I kind of deep down
knew would like it
because I'm one of them.

1264
01:01:13.566 --> 01:01:16.999
And so, one minute,
we didn't even really have
a theatrical release.

1265
01:01:17.167 --> 01:01:19.501
It was gonna just
go straight to video.

1266
01:01:19.670 --> 01:01:22.607
And the next minute,
it's like 1,200 screens.
It's pretty awesome.

1267
01:01:22.776 --> 01:01:25.837
It was a huge win
for all of us, huge.

1268
01:01:26.006 --> 01:01:29.176
But there was one thing
about that first movie
that I was so happy for.

1269
01:01:29.344 --> 01:01:32.147
It reminded the audience
why they love Keanu.

1270
01:01:32.316 --> 01:01:34.423
And it reminded them
that he was a movie star.

1271
01:01:34.625 --> 01:01:36.648
[Wick]<i> People keep</i>
<i> asking if I'm back.</i>

1272
01:01:38.660 --> 01:01:41.353
Yeah,
I'm thinking I'm back.

1273
01:01:41.522 --> 01:01:44.127
And now, you have
an opportunity for a sequel.

1274
01:01:44.329 --> 01:01:49.362
But if we make<i> John Wick 2</i>
and it comes out in six years,

1275
01:01:49.531 --> 01:01:53.366
it doesn't have the same value
in the audience.

1276
01:01:53.535 --> 01:01:58.173
I knew at this moment in time,
we cannot slow down

1277
01:01:58.375 --> 01:02:00.679
with the idea of
if we're making a<i> John Wick 2.</i>

1278
01:02:00.848 --> 01:02:02.749
We couldn't come up
with an idea,

1279
01:02:02.951 --> 01:02:06.554
and Chad and I were attached
to this other project

1280
01:02:06.722 --> 01:02:08.250
that I was really
falling in love with,

1281
01:02:08.452 --> 01:02:11.592
<i> The Coldest City,</i> which is
now called<i> Atomic Blonde.</i>

1282
01:02:11.661 --> 01:02:13.652
I thought we could do it
first together.

1283
01:02:14.154 --> 01:02:17.093
And I don't know,
Chad felt like he really
wanted to do<i> Wick 2</i> next.

1284
01:02:17.162 --> 01:02:20.463
And part of me was like,
I want to do<i> Wick 2.</i>

1285
01:02:20.665 --> 01:02:24.896
But I know there's nobody
they could hire
that could do<i> Wick 2.</i>

1286
01:02:25.065 --> 01:02:28.905
We just-- It was such
a unique thing
that we'd created together.

1287
01:02:29.074 --> 01:02:31.444
It was either
Chad or me or nobody.

1288
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:35.044
Like, who are they gonna hire
to do<i> Wick?</i> And I'm like,
we have time to do<i> Wick.</i>

1289
01:02:35.179 --> 01:02:37.115
This has Charlize.
It's ready to go.

1290
01:02:37.317 --> 01:02:40.346
And we can go
make another movie,
you know, and come back

1291
01:02:40.548 --> 01:02:43.049
and make<i> Wick 2</i>
when we have a great idea.

1292
01:02:43.217 --> 01:02:48.093
And he was like, "Yeah, yeah,
yeah," for a while. And then
he started to get cold feet.

1293
01:02:48.295 --> 01:02:50.389
And I think he really
wanted to stay
in the<i> Wick</i> world.

1294
01:02:50.558 --> 01:02:52.634
And he-- And although
we didn't have a script,

1295
01:02:52.836 --> 01:02:55.597
he's like, I think he
really wanted me to stay, too.

1296
01:02:55.766 --> 01:02:57.968
I think Dave wanted to
direct on his own. We all
want to direct on our own.

1297
01:02:58.171 --> 01:03:00.073
That's directing.
We all want to be on our own.

1298
01:03:00.242 --> 01:03:02.568
The co-directing thing,
if we did three films
together like that,

1299
01:03:02.737 --> 01:03:04.479
yeah, we would have done
three films together like that.

1300
01:03:04.681 --> 01:03:06.647
Long and short of it,
I just went to Chad,

1301
01:03:06.849 --> 01:03:10.285
and I said, "I want to
direct<i> Coldest City."</i>

1302
01:03:10.454 --> 01:03:13.778
Um, and he's like,
"Keanu's got a window. I'm
doing this at the same time.

1303
01:03:13.980 --> 01:03:17.119
So, you got to choose.
And I'm like,
<i> "Coldest City."</i>

1304
01:03:17.288 --> 01:03:20.061
He was just like, "What?
You're gonna do that?

1305
01:03:20.230 --> 01:03:22.826
You're gonna leave
our franchise behind?"
I think he felt like that.

1306
01:03:23.029 --> 01:03:26.295
I think he
probably said those words.

1307
01:03:26.464 --> 01:03:30.131
It was a big blow. It was--
It was like, oh, my God.

1308
01:03:30.233 --> 01:03:31.971
At the time,
I was fucking furious.

1309
01:03:32.407 --> 01:03:35.637
I was like,
"Are you out of your mind?
Like, this is a franchise.

1310
01:03:35.706 --> 01:03:37.772
Like, we're the luckiest people
in the world.
What are you doing?"

1311
01:03:37.941 --> 01:03:39.306
It was very dramatic.

1312
01:03:39.641 --> 01:03:42.513
And that was the straw.
Like, that was like, okay.

1313
01:03:42.582 --> 01:03:45.952
To me, it sort of felt like
people became
Team Dave or Team Chad.

1314
01:03:46.121 --> 01:03:48.516
It's not like Chad ever said,
"Don't work with Dave."

1315
01:03:48.718 --> 01:03:52.124
Dave was still
a very integral part
of who we all were,

1316
01:03:52.292 --> 01:03:55.492
'cause to us, he was Dave,
no matter what he was to Chad.

1317
01:03:55.661 --> 01:03:58.691
When he left,
it was more just like,
"Oh, man, I miss Uncle Dave.

1318
01:03:59.996 --> 01:04:01.535
He was the cool one."

1319
01:04:01.737 --> 01:04:02.967
So, yeah,
you feel a little bit like,

1320
01:04:03.135 --> 01:04:04.701
"Is it me? Is it them?
Is it that?" You know.

1321
01:04:04.903 --> 01:04:06.634
It felt like I was an asshole.

1322
01:04:06.802 --> 01:04:11.343
Like, you know, of course.
Like, no one
just leaves for no reason.

1323
01:04:11.512 --> 01:04:14.672
Your ego says it's them,
but hopefully
your brain says it's you.

1324
01:04:14.841 --> 01:04:16.718
You kind of-- Maybe it's
something in the middle.

1325
01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:18.646
Up to that point, they
just went their separate ways.

1326
01:04:18.814 --> 01:04:21.685
They ran a business together,
and they were
very close friends.

1327
01:04:21.853 --> 01:04:26.652
But being in the same
creative cockpit, I think
it was too much for Dave,

1328
01:04:26.821 --> 01:04:29.629
and I think Dave was like,
"I want to go do my own shit."

1329
01:04:29.798 --> 01:04:33.328
That made sense to me,
you know?

1330
01:04:33.497 --> 01:04:36.696
I never had, like,
"Oh, Dave's not gonna do it?"

1331
01:04:36.865 --> 01:04:40.075
That was like,
"Oh, yeah, right.
You're both directors,

1332
01:04:40.277 --> 01:04:45.209
and one's gonna go do that,
and another one's
gonna do this."

1333
01:04:45.378 --> 01:04:49.175
I was just glad Chad said,
"Yeah, let's do it." [laughs]

1334
01:04:49.344 --> 01:04:52.646
'Cause if he hadn't have
said that, I don't know
what would have happened.

1335
01:04:53.455 --> 01:04:54.522
I don't know.

1336
01:04:54.724 --> 01:04:56.017
I know you called
for<i> John Wick 2.</i>

1337
01:04:56.185 --> 01:04:57.492
[both] "Do you want to do it?"

1338
01:04:57.661 --> 01:04:59.223
I'm like,
"What are you thinking?"

1339
01:04:59.392 --> 01:05:00.693
And he's like, "Look, all
I know is we just got to know

1340
01:05:00.862 --> 01:05:02.589
-why we're gonna do it again."
-Yeah.

1341
01:05:02.791 --> 01:05:04.590
But we didn't have a script.
We didn't have any ideas.

1342
01:05:04.793 --> 01:05:08.167
We really didn't know
why the first movie worked.

1343
01:05:08.336 --> 01:05:10.934
I know it sounds dopey to say,
but it's not a science, right?

1344
01:05:11.136 --> 01:05:12.365
[Stahelski]
They came back and said,

1345
01:05:12.534 --> 01:05:14.370
"So you guys think
you're pretty clever.

1346
01:05:14.705 --> 01:05:16.504
Let's see what you got
for<i> John Wick 2.</i> "
I know, right?

1347
01:05:16.573 --> 01:05:18.507
Usually, when people talked
about<i> John Wick 1,</i>

1348
01:05:18.676 --> 01:05:21.178
they were like, "Yeah, the dog.
I mean, geez, that was great."

1349
01:05:21.347 --> 01:05:22.740
And we're like,
"We don't have a dog anymore."

1350
01:05:22.909 --> 01:05:24.343
What are you gonna do?
You gonna kill the dog again?

1351
01:05:24.512 --> 01:05:26.418
-Kill a cat?
-Kill the parakeet?

1352
01:05:26.587 --> 01:05:28.883
-What are we doing?
-It would've been laughable
if we did it again.

1353
01:05:29.052 --> 01:05:31.583
And so, we're like,
"Well, what-- Fuck.
What are we gonna do here?"

1354
01:05:31.752 --> 01:05:33.887
And so, creatively,
it was a big challenge

1355
01:05:34.090 --> 01:05:37.864
about how do we emotionally
connect the audience
to what's going on.

1356
01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:40.398
We kind of killed ourselves
on the second one

1357
01:05:40.600 --> 01:05:44.262
because we didn't want it to be
<i>John Wick 1</i> and<i> 2</i> and done.

1358
01:05:44.431 --> 01:05:48.900
When you think of franchises
that get to 3 and 4, beyond,
they did the sequel right.

1359
01:05:49.069 --> 01:05:52.712
A movie is not a franchise
until you've made
a second movie

1360
01:05:52.881 --> 01:05:55.774
and the second movie worked,
right?

1361
01:05:55.943 --> 01:05:59.543
Once you have two movies work,
now you have a franchise.

1362
01:05:59.712 --> 01:06:01.217
That was probably
the most stressful.

1363
01:06:01.386 --> 01:06:04.717
It was like, "Did we
get lucky or are we good?"

1364
01:06:04.886 --> 01:06:08.158
[Kolstad] We went through,
I want to say a hundred ideas.

1365
01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:11.993
Massive universe builds,
Nigerian mob, the triad,

1366
01:06:12.195 --> 01:06:13.992
any number of iterations.

1367
01:06:14.194 --> 01:06:17.105
It's not like we talk about it,
hand the script off
to a writer,

1368
01:06:17.274 --> 01:06:20.065
and then,
"See you in six months."
Like, Keanu's writing is like,

1369
01:06:20.234 --> 01:06:24.109
out of the blue he'll text me
a scene, and then
I'll have a set piece.

1370
01:06:24.278 --> 01:06:25.910
He'll text me, "I was thinking,
John Wick should"--

1371
01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:27.907
And it's like
two pages of dialogue.

1372
01:06:28.075 --> 01:06:30.111
We don't know
where to put it yet,
but we know it's a scene.

1373
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:32.245
You know,
I write for Winston.

1374
01:06:32.413 --> 01:06:35.082
I write
for the Bowery King.

1375
01:06:35.251 --> 01:06:38.085
I write for John.
I'll write scenes. You know,
I'll send pitches of scenes.

1376
01:06:38.253 --> 01:06:41.455
Full scenes. But they all have,
like, "We want this to say,
the theme is this."

1377
01:06:41.624 --> 01:06:43.157
Yeah. Right.
"The scene should be
about this."

1378
01:06:43.325 --> 01:06:44.964
And then, how do we get there?

1379
01:06:45.132 --> 01:06:47.197
It comes together
in the most haphazard way,

1380
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:49.264
and it's kind of like that
for like six months.

1381
01:06:49.433 --> 01:06:51.205
Just, "We don't know!
We don't know!"

1382
01:06:51.407 --> 01:06:54.098
For the first one,
it was just a handful
of people in the trenches.

1383
01:06:54.267 --> 01:06:57.979
And the second one,
it was a thousand people
in the command center.

1384
01:06:58.148 --> 01:07:00.972
And the third one, you're
just like, what in the hell?

1385
01:07:01.174 --> 01:07:03.808
But that was the hardest job
I've ever had,
was<i> John Wick 2.</i>

1386
01:07:03.977 --> 01:07:10.223
No one gets out and comes back
without repercussions.

1387
01:07:11.790 --> 01:07:14.225
[Iwanyk] There were two things
that broke the dam
on the development.

1388
01:07:14.427 --> 01:07:16.727
One was the marker,
and then the idea of, like,

1389
01:07:16.929 --> 01:07:18.190
we wanted to go to Rome.

1390
01:07:18.359 --> 01:07:20.993
[tense music playing]

1391
01:07:21.161 --> 01:07:22.903
[Stahelski]
I remember we talked
a couple of times, going,

1392
01:07:23.106 --> 01:07:24.565
"What if there's a Continental
in every city?"

1393
01:07:24.767 --> 01:07:26.070
I said, "Where do you
want to go?" And you're like,

1394
01:07:26.272 --> 01:07:27.634
"Where's one of the old--
What's cool?"

1395
01:07:27.803 --> 01:07:29.805
[Reeves] Rome.
[Stahelski]
Then we're like,

1396
01:07:29.974 --> 01:07:31.677
well, how does he
get called back in? Well,
he's got to have a marker.

1397
01:07:31.845 --> 01:07:33.515
Somebody...
I think...

1398
01:07:33.683 --> 01:07:34.913
Marker,
I think, was Derek--

1399
01:07:35.116 --> 01:07:37.210
Derek? No,
Derek came up with the marker.

1400
01:07:37.379 --> 01:07:40.515
And then, Derek and I sat down
and went, well, what if
the marker is like a check?

1401
01:07:40.684 --> 01:07:43.518
Yeah.
You can buy something.
You trade it with it.

1402
01:07:43.687 --> 01:07:49.058
If you don't do this,
you know the consequences.

1403
01:07:49.226 --> 01:07:51.759
I'm not that guy anymore.

1404
01:07:55.232 --> 01:07:57.369
You are always that guy, John.

1405
01:07:58.537 --> 01:08:01.008
You give somebody a marker,
you have to honor it.

1406
01:08:01.177 --> 01:08:04.009
Otherwise, you risk
being on the open market.

1407
01:08:04.178 --> 01:08:05.840
It's a whole
arcane world of its own.

1408
01:08:06.008 --> 01:08:07.376
Market.

1409
01:08:07.545 --> 01:08:09.847
It's wonderful bullshit,
you know? Wonderful.

1410
01:08:10.016 --> 01:08:11.846
[Winston speaking Italian]

1411
01:08:12.015 --> 01:08:14.718
We're kind of all
under the table
in this weird, twisted world.

1412
01:08:14.887 --> 01:08:17.456
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of
like the development
of it, right?

1413
01:08:17.658 --> 01:08:20.691
I mean, the high table
was introduced
in the second one as well.

1414
01:08:20.860 --> 01:08:23.361
[Stahelski] Number two
is where we really kind of
found our feet, I think.

1415
01:08:23.530 --> 01:08:25.130
-[Reeves] Yeah.
-[Stahelski]
With the whole world.

1416
01:08:25.333 --> 01:08:27.258
The<i> John Wick</i> world
that it would become.

1417
01:08:27.427 --> 01:08:30.463
[Stahelski]
When you're trying to do
new or fresh or sell an idea,

1418
01:08:30.665 --> 01:08:32.239
a picture's worth
a thousand words.

1419
01:08:32.407 --> 01:08:35.272
So I will usually storyboard
a scene before I write a scene.

1420
01:08:35.407 --> 01:08:37.077
[Harris] The thing
about working with Chad,

1421
01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:39.276
it's like working
on a college film
with your buddies,

1422
01:08:39.345 --> 01:08:40.572
and you guys spend
most of your time

1423
01:08:40.908 --> 01:08:42.478
watching kung fu movies
and anime together.

1424
01:08:42.547 --> 01:08:44.717
And all of a sudden,
you gotta do a project.

1425
01:08:44.885 --> 01:08:47.913
So that's kind of how it was
'cause we would geek out
about the same things.

1426
01:08:48.082 --> 01:08:50.719
[Stahelski] Todd is part of
my inner circle creatively.

1427
01:08:50.887 --> 01:08:53.651
He's someone I like to riff
with, not just about visuals,

1428
01:08:53.853 --> 01:08:55.892
but about story arcs,
characters.

1429
01:08:56.061 --> 01:09:00.491
On top of that, he's incredibly
gifted with a great eye,
with perspective.

1430
01:09:00.693 --> 01:09:03.838
They throw some ideas at me.
I throw some back at them
or bounce them off the writer,

1431
01:09:04.040 --> 01:09:06.473
take those ideas,
put those in the script.

1432
01:09:06.642 --> 01:09:08.937
[Stahelski]
I'll tweak, he'll tweak,
go back and around and around

1433
01:09:09.106 --> 01:09:11.336
and around and around.
And it won't stop
till the day we shoot.

1434
01:09:11.538 --> 01:09:15.148
It helps everyone's imagination
see the scale of
what you're trying to do,

1435
01:09:15.317 --> 01:09:17.451
the depth, the color,
the pattern, the framing.

1436
01:09:17.620 --> 01:09:20.982
[Harris] It was always
about getting into
the psychology of John Wick,

1437
01:09:21.151 --> 01:09:24.856
what kind of character he is,
what visually signifies
who this guy is

1438
01:09:25.058 --> 01:09:25.988
and what makes him different.

1439
01:09:26.157 --> 01:09:27.995
This is very much noir

1440
01:09:28.164 --> 01:09:31.296
filtered through kind of
a digital MTV aesthetic.

1441
01:09:31.465 --> 01:09:33.232
We kind of made the decision,
like, what do we love?

1442
01:09:33.434 --> 01:09:35.100
And we wrote it up on the...
"We love<i> wuxia</i> films.

1443
01:09:35.302 --> 01:09:37.530
We love<i> chambara</i> films.
We love Westerns.

1444
01:09:37.733 --> 01:09:39.468
We love John Ford.
We love Sergio Leone.

1445
01:09:39.637 --> 01:09:41.606
We love Bernardo Bertolucci.
We love Tarkovsky.

1446
01:09:41.775 --> 01:09:46.009
We love Wong Kar-Wai.
We love Zhang Yimou,
you know, Akira Kurosawa.

1447
01:09:46.178 --> 01:09:47.509
We love Steven Spielberg."

1448
01:09:47.678 --> 01:09:50.183
All these great directors
of action at the time,

1449
01:09:50.352 --> 01:09:53.185
or storytelling,
and we just went,
"Well, fuck it.

1450
01:09:53.354 --> 01:09:54.986
We're just gonna
combine everything we love

1451
01:09:55.154 --> 01:09:56.717
and build our own franchise."

1452
01:09:56.919 --> 01:09:58.550
I think one of the best things
about<i> John Wick</i> is

1453
01:09:58.753 --> 01:10:00.224
it wasn't an
existing IP already.

1454
01:10:00.426 --> 01:10:03.829
Yeah.
You know, so,
there was no rules.

1455
01:10:03.997 --> 01:10:05.229
Yeah.
We could make...

1456
01:10:05.431 --> 01:10:06.625
We could steer John Wick
wherever we wanted.

1457
01:10:06.794 --> 01:10:08.200
We could do
whatever we wanted.

1458
01:10:08.369 --> 01:10:10.128
We're like, I don't know,
is he that guy?

1459
01:10:10.297 --> 01:10:11.831
Sure, he's that guy.
He loves Mustangs.
He's that guy.

1460
01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:14.165
Is he this guy? Does he like...
Ah, he's that guy.

1461
01:10:14.334 --> 01:10:16.508
-Like, he speaks
all these languages.
-[Wick speaking Italian]

1462
01:10:16.677 --> 01:10:18.512
It's like every movie
we could reinvent him
a little bit.

1463
01:10:18.681 --> 01:10:19.980
I know, I love it.

1464
01:10:20.316 --> 01:10:23.713
[director] Ready, and three,
two, one. Action!

1465
01:10:26.214 --> 01:10:28.723
[Iwanyk] All the<i> Wick</i> movies
are very,
very difficult to shoot.

1466
01:10:28.891 --> 01:10:30.819
None of them are easy, at all.

1467
01:10:30.988 --> 01:10:32.555
Fuck.

1468
01:10:32.791 --> 01:10:35.089
[Iwanyk] But<i> 2</i> was hard,
but I think we were all like,

1469
01:10:35.225 --> 01:10:37.257
"Do you believe this shit?
We're here again.
This is incredible."

1470
01:10:37.459 --> 01:10:38.533
<i>John Wick: Chapter 2.</i>

1471
01:10:38.702 --> 01:10:39.834
Like he never left.

1472
01:10:40.003 --> 01:10:42.262
[Iwanyk] And Keanu
was just so happy.

1473
01:10:42.464 --> 01:10:45.534
He starts working out and
training four or five months
before he starts shooting.

1474
01:10:45.703 --> 01:10:47.540
And I don't mean like
every couple of days.

1475
01:10:47.709 --> 01:10:50.507
I mean like five,
six days a week.
It's a full-time job for him.

1476
01:10:50.676 --> 01:10:52.875
But for Keanu,
it's where he's the happiest.

1477
01:10:53.043 --> 01:10:54.278
My bad.

1478
01:10:54.480 --> 01:10:55.910
[director] Good take,
good take, good take.

1479
01:10:56.652 --> 01:10:57.919
Going again.

1480
01:10:57.988 --> 01:10:59.250
I think
you'd like to have,

1481
01:10:59.586 --> 01:11:00.946
I mean, I like it too
when John Wick suffers,

1482
01:11:01.081 --> 01:11:03.249
but I think you like it
when Reeves suffers too.

1483
01:11:03.418 --> 01:11:04.591
Um... [chuckles]

1484
01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:05.953
Not gonna say no.

1485
01:11:08.322 --> 01:11:12.796
When you see Keanu in pain on
screen, it's probably for real.

1486
01:11:12.998 --> 01:11:14.225
Bad knee.

1487
01:11:14.901 --> 01:11:16.036
Bad knee.

1488
01:11:16.205 --> 01:11:17.899
[Marinas]
His knee doesn't work,

1489
01:11:18.068 --> 01:11:20.637
his right shoulder
doesn't work,
and his neck has a fusion.

1490
01:11:20.839 --> 01:11:24.445
So when you see John Wick
limping, that's Keanu limping.

1491
01:11:24.613 --> 01:11:25.643
[grunts]

1492
01:11:27.743 --> 01:11:29.545
[Iwanyk]
Chad told Keanu early on,

1493
01:11:29.714 --> 01:11:31.885
"I'm gonna push you
past your comfort zone."

1494
01:11:32.054 --> 01:11:33.482
And Keanu was like,
"Do it."

1495
01:11:33.684 --> 01:11:36.256
Now on<i> 1</i> and<i> 2,</i>
it was kind of healthy.

1496
01:11:36.458 --> 01:11:38.658
On<i> 3</i> and<i> 4,</i> it was
becoming like almost barbaric.

1497
01:11:38.894 --> 01:11:43.793
But Keanu would never
ever, ever, ever, ever
in a million years tap out.

1498
01:11:45.258 --> 01:11:49.064
[Spidell] Keanu's work ethic
and training regimen

1499
01:11:49.233 --> 01:11:52.965
that he wants to do
for these movies
was just really impressive.

1500
01:11:53.134 --> 01:11:54.999
[Schultz] First thing
you see Keanu walk on set.

1501
01:11:55.201 --> 01:11:57.337
He can barely move.
He's got his head down.

1502
01:11:57.573 --> 01:12:02.314
He just looks like he's been
beat to shit for the last
two months because he has.

1503
01:12:02.450 --> 01:12:08.349
Um, I guess we can start here.
And then there.

1504
01:12:08.551 --> 01:12:10.358
And then we add,
this is fun.

1505
01:12:11.289 --> 01:12:12.986
That one's not bad.

1506
01:12:13.155 --> 01:12:15.129
Got a little rug burn.
[Stahelski]
Those carpet burns?

1507
01:12:15.297 --> 01:12:16.921
Yeah.
[Stahelski]
You already got the job.

1508
01:12:17.090 --> 01:12:18.428
Right there,
got a little bit there.

1509
01:12:18.597 --> 01:12:20.368
[Stahelski]
Action star.
[person laughs]

1510
01:12:21.836 --> 01:12:22.934
John Wick.

1511
01:12:23.136 --> 01:12:24.468
[Spidell] For<i> Wick 1,</i>

1512
01:12:24.637 --> 01:12:27.005
it was really kind of
starting from ground zero.

1513
01:12:27.174 --> 01:12:28.201
Building up from nothing.

1514
01:12:28.403 --> 01:12:29.839
[grunting]

1515
01:12:31.338 --> 01:12:33.543
[Valera] It wasn't gonna
be the typical punch-kick.

1516
01:12:33.745 --> 01:12:36.879
It was gonna be more gritty,
hard-style, messy.

1517
01:12:38.311 --> 01:12:40.647
So, we had to kind of
beat on him a little bit.

1518
01:12:40.783 --> 01:12:42.421
Get him used to contact.
You know,

1519
01:12:42.790 --> 01:12:44.583
just grabbing on to
one of the guys
and pulling him in.

1520
01:12:44.652 --> 01:12:45.984
That was just a drill.

1521
01:12:46.186 --> 01:12:48.527
He would just do that
for 20, 30 minutes.

1522
01:12:48.663 --> 01:12:52.495
And then, pull him in, step,
pull him in, step. [exhales]

1523
01:12:52.664 --> 01:12:56.170
We sit there and we do rolls
for 15 minutes

1524
01:12:56.338 --> 01:12:59.204
and then break falls
for another 15 minutes.

1525
01:12:59.373 --> 01:13:02.305
Like that alone is
taxing on anybody.

1526
01:13:02.474 --> 01:13:04.741
I wish I could
get an ice bath.

1527
01:13:04.943 --> 01:13:06.639
[crew member] I'll get it.
[crew member 2]
Still rolling.

1528
01:13:06.808 --> 01:13:09.010
Ice bath.
I need an ice bath.

1529
01:13:09.944 --> 01:13:12.247
[crew member
talking indistinctly]

1530
01:13:12.449 --> 01:13:16.488
[Marinas] In the training room,
I got so used to
four months of him collapsing

1531
01:13:16.657 --> 01:13:19.158
on the ground, coughing
for ten minutes straight.

1532
01:13:19.327 --> 01:13:22.322
-[imitates coughing]
-[coughing]

1533
01:13:22.491 --> 01:13:26.233
[Marinas] He sounds like
he's gonna die between
every take of rehearsal.

1534
01:13:26.402 --> 01:13:28.669
I've seen him go
straight to the bathroom.

1535
01:13:28.838 --> 01:13:32.370
Like he's done that.
He's definitely barfed
during training.

1536
01:13:32.539 --> 01:13:35.042
He would go in the bathroom,
come back out,

1537
01:13:35.211 --> 01:13:37.541
just white face
and just be like,

1538
01:13:37.709 --> 01:13:41.041
"All right, what's next?
Where we going?"

1539
01:13:41.210 --> 01:13:44.914
Which I think for all of us
was just like, "Fuck yeah."

1540
01:13:47.185 --> 01:13:49.281
[grunting]

1541
01:13:52.493 --> 01:13:54.252
Chad used to get a camera
and he goes,

1542
01:13:54.421 --> 01:13:57.190
"I want Reeves to do 50 throws
before he leaves, in a row."

1543
01:13:59.826 --> 01:14:02.936
And he's like in New York
and I'm in LA,
but he puts a camera there.

1544
01:14:03.105 --> 01:14:04.635
So I'm training Reeves.

1545
01:14:04.838 --> 01:14:07.574
And then, it's like,
he does like take-- He does 30.

1546
01:14:10.009 --> 01:14:12.873
And he's dying.
Like he's fucking
like passing out.

1547
01:14:13.042 --> 01:14:14.772
And I'm like, "Ah,
we should let him go."

1548
01:14:14.908 --> 01:14:16.947
'Cause whatever, right?

1549
01:14:17.349 --> 01:14:19.844
Then I get a text.
It's like, "No, that's
number"-- Like he counts it.

1550
01:14:19.913 --> 01:14:21.787
"That's like number 31."

1551
01:14:21.956 --> 01:14:24.591
You know what I mean?
I'm like looking. Right?
He's watching.

1552
01:14:25.757 --> 01:14:28.091
So, it's like, he had--
he had to do it.

1553
01:14:28.260 --> 01:14:29.728
It's nuts, man.

1554
01:14:32.096 --> 01:14:35.230
He knows Keanu so well.
He knows like
how much he can do.

1555
01:14:35.399 --> 01:14:39.104
I'm like, "Dude,
he's not g-- [chuckling]
He's gonna die, right?"

1556
01:14:39.272 --> 01:14:42.600
Like most people are just
like... They would have,
like, stopped for sure.

1557
01:14:42.769 --> 01:14:46.471
So he knows how much you can
push him, not just physically,
but mentally.

1558
01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:49.114
[grunting]

1559
01:14:49.283 --> 01:14:51.846
[Stahelski] When you know
you have someone as your
lead actor go down those roads,

1560
01:14:52.048 --> 01:14:54.418
you have a whole nother
level of opportunities

1561
01:14:54.587 --> 01:14:55.949
that a lot of
directors don't have.

1562
01:14:56.118 --> 01:14:58.590
There's actors that
directors meet on the day.

1563
01:14:58.759 --> 01:15:00.990
You know, I knew Keanu for
years before I directed him.

1564
01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:03.995
I don't know if you realize
what kind of advantage that is.

1565
01:15:04.164 --> 01:15:07.593
[Prescott] No better union
could have happened
in the film business

1566
01:15:07.762 --> 01:15:08.960
than Chad and Keanu.

1567
01:15:09.129 --> 01:15:11.831
Keanu is the hardest
training actor

1568
01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:14.002
I've ever worked with,
right?

1569
01:15:14.171 --> 01:15:16.801
He's so committed,
but it's the same as Chad.

1570
01:15:16.970 --> 01:15:18.012
They're both the same.

1571
01:15:18.314 --> 01:15:20.513
They see something
in their head,

1572
01:15:20.582 --> 01:15:25.716
and they will both bleed
profusely to achieve it.

1573
01:15:25.919 --> 01:15:28.813
Do you remember
the origin
of<i> "Wick</i> is pain"?

1574
01:15:28.982 --> 01:15:31.448
Day one? [chuckles]
No.

1575
01:15:31.650 --> 01:15:34.859
<i> "Wick</i> is pain" didn't
evolve until<i> John Wick...</i>

1576
01:15:37.261 --> 01:15:38.324
<i> 3.</i>

1577
01:15:39.666 --> 01:15:41.701
I think it was
during the antique fight.

1578
01:15:41.870 --> 01:15:44.133
My knee had blown up.
[Stahelski] Oh, my God,
I remember that.

1579
01:15:44.301 --> 01:15:46.800
[Reeves]
The first week of shooting
and I'm sitting there,

1580
01:15:46.969 --> 01:15:49.507
and I'm like... [groans]
And I think,

1581
01:15:49.709 --> 01:15:53.272
in the fog of our...
in the fog of<i> Wick,</i>

1582
01:15:53.341 --> 01:15:55.141
I think
I was sitting there
and then you--

1583
01:15:55.611 --> 01:15:58.543
Like, I was there
and maybe I was like,
"Hey, how's it going?"

1584
01:15:58.612 --> 01:16:02.013
And you looked at me and you
were like,<i> "Wick</i> is pain."

1585
01:16:02.182 --> 01:16:04.150
[chuckles]
And then you-- [chuckles]

1586
01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:06.159
That sounded like something
a director would say.

1587
01:16:06.327 --> 01:16:07.856
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[chuckles]

1588
01:16:08.025 --> 01:16:10.190
I remember that.
Your knee was fucking swollen.

1589
01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:12.896
It wasn't that bad,
but it was
a little swollen.

1590
01:16:13.032 --> 01:16:14.966
We were trying to get Patrick
and to get the doctor in.

1591
01:16:15.335 --> 01:16:18.730
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and I had the thing and
it was a bit of a situation.

1592
01:16:18.799 --> 01:16:21.232
But that's my recollection
of when like...
That's the etymology--

1593
01:16:21.435 --> 01:16:25.068
...of when<i> "Wick</i> is pain"
became formalized.

1594
01:16:25.237 --> 01:16:26.776
[Prescott]
I think with Chad,

1595
01:16:26.978 --> 01:16:29.044
there needs to be
a healthy amount of suffering

1596
01:16:29.213 --> 01:16:33.144
that is in direct relation
with the success of the film.

1597
01:16:33.346 --> 01:16:35.680
When we were on
the first<i> John Wick</i>

1598
01:16:35.849 --> 01:16:39.025
and we were doing the fight
at the Navy Yard
at the end of the film,

1599
01:16:39.194 --> 01:16:40.558
and it's freezing

1600
01:16:40.727 --> 01:16:43.457
and it's rain
and it's terrible,

1601
01:16:43.660 --> 01:16:45.091
he was-- he was so--

1602
01:16:45.426 --> 01:16:46.792
I don't think I've seen him
that happy before.

1603
01:16:46.861 --> 01:16:48.535
He loved it, you know?

1604
01:16:48.704 --> 01:16:50.634
And I'm sure Reeves
was right there with him.

1605
01:16:50.836 --> 01:16:53.067
They're just both
miserable suffering.

1606
01:16:53.236 --> 01:16:55.439
Anything hard is always
gonna be a little painful.

1607
01:16:55.608 --> 01:16:57.736
Is good.
Yeah, that's good.

1608
01:16:57.905 --> 01:17:00.948
I mean, honestly,
if it didn't hurt, if we
weren't stressed out by it...

1609
01:17:01.117 --> 01:17:04.041
I mean, it's more than just
the stunts. Like we'd be
working on the script.

1610
01:17:04.210 --> 01:17:05.949
Yeah.
Trying to figure out...

1611
01:17:06.118 --> 01:17:09.214
And then that's-- that's
a different kind of pain.

1612
01:17:09.383 --> 01:17:10.654
When you're trying to
figure out these scenes,

1613
01:17:10.856 --> 01:17:12.893
you can sense that
there's something cool,

1614
01:17:13.062 --> 01:17:15.488
we could do something
really neat, but it's--
You can't quite get it.

1615
01:17:15.690 --> 01:17:19.499
And I think that's sometimes
more painful than the--
[chuckles]

1616
01:17:19.701 --> 01:17:22.767
Well, almost as painful
as getting hit by a bus.

1617
01:17:22.936 --> 01:17:25.896
Could you recommend anything
for the end of the night?

1618
01:17:26.065 --> 01:17:28.099
Something big, bold?

1619
01:17:28.268 --> 01:17:31.745
May I suggest
the Benelli M4?

1620
01:17:36.776 --> 01:17:38.749
This is where we wanted
to up the action
a little bit,

1621
01:17:38.918 --> 01:17:40.617
so we started Keanu training
with Taran Butler,

1622
01:17:40.786 --> 01:17:42.250
the three-gun
champion of the world.

1623
01:17:43.585 --> 01:17:44.857
[beep]

1624
01:17:52.034 --> 01:17:55.395
I didn't know that
I was getting gun hands
in<i> John Wick 1,</i>

1625
01:17:55.597 --> 01:18:00.631
but in<i> Chapter 2,</i> I was like,
"The manipulations. Oh, yeah."

1626
01:18:03.777 --> 01:18:05.172
[Stahelski] We went
from<i> John Wick 1,</i>

1627
01:18:05.341 --> 01:18:08.508
where it was like 100 rounds
at a shooting session,

1628
01:18:08.676 --> 01:18:11.983
to when we got to Taran
on number two,
it was like 3,000 rounds.

1629
01:18:12.152 --> 01:18:13.446
Yes.

1630
01:18:21.530 --> 01:18:22.994
Did I not hit it?
[trainer] Nope.

1631
01:18:24.028 --> 01:18:26.159
Chad's obsessed
with weaponry and guns,

1632
01:18:26.327 --> 01:18:28.061
and I think always
like the cutting edge

1633
01:18:28.263 --> 01:18:30.227
of what would be next
and what we could do.

1634
01:18:30.329 --> 01:18:32.201
[guests screaming]
[gunfire]

1635
01:18:32.637 --> 01:18:35.873
[Iwanyk] The airsoft thing
at the time we thought
was not revolutionary,

1636
01:18:35.941 --> 01:18:37.641
but we were like,
"This is incredible."

1637
01:18:37.810 --> 01:18:39.746
But it was like 70%
of what we wanted.

1638
01:18:39.948 --> 01:18:43.675
As we increased
the sophistication
of the weaponry,

1639
01:18:43.844 --> 01:18:46.477
Chad was like,
"I want to be able to do
an enormous amount of gunplay.

1640
01:18:46.646 --> 01:18:48.819
I never want to worry about it,
and I hate airsofts."

1641
01:18:48.955 --> 01:18:50.957
And I'm like, "Well,
that leaves us nowhere."

1642
01:18:51.326 --> 01:18:54.460
Because we can't
have blanks, obviously.
It can't be plastic guns.

1643
01:18:54.529 --> 01:18:58.664
You've got to remember,
Chad was Brandon Lee's
stunt double in<i> The Crow,</i>

1644
01:18:58.832 --> 01:19:00.700
so Chad more so
than I think any person

1645
01:19:00.869 --> 01:19:02.361
that comes out of
the stunt world in Hollywood

1646
01:19:02.563 --> 01:19:05.998
is hypervigilant and aware
of gun safety on a set.

1647
01:19:06.133 --> 01:19:07.497
That's bad.
Yeah, yeah.

1648
01:19:07.733 --> 01:19:09.933
[Iwanyk] And a lot of the
gunfire is close combat.

1649
01:19:10.036 --> 01:19:12.577
And so, how do you
do that with, you know,
a gun that looks real?

1650
01:19:12.746 --> 01:19:14.711
So, you are
the speed of light.

1651
01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:16.282
I'm gonna
name the gun that.

1652
01:19:16.484 --> 01:19:18.178
Speed of light.
All right.

1653
01:19:18.280 --> 01:19:19.884
[Marinas] But then
Chad found Taran,

1654
01:19:20.319 --> 01:19:24.455
and they actually found
the secret sauce
of plugging guns.

1655
01:19:24.524 --> 01:19:29.387
Chad likes to have so much
close contact action
that he solid plugs everything.

1656
01:19:29.556 --> 01:19:32.357
What that means is
a normal blank gun in a movie,

1657
01:19:32.526 --> 01:19:34.526
when you fire it,
the flame comes out the front.

1658
01:19:34.695 --> 01:19:37.264
When he solid plugs it,
you don't get that anymore.

1659
01:19:37.433 --> 01:19:40.104
You get the ejection
of the casing flying out,

1660
01:19:40.273 --> 01:19:42.543
you get the reloads,
you get the smoke,
you get all that.

1661
01:19:42.711 --> 01:19:45.539
The action's operating,
but it's safe.

1662
01:19:45.707 --> 01:19:47.809
You can go right up
against somebody
and pull the trigger.

1663
01:19:48.011 --> 01:19:49.242
It's not going to hurt them.

1664
01:19:49.411 --> 01:19:51.381
As soon as you put a blank
with a blank gun,

1665
01:19:51.550 --> 01:19:53.614
you're basically
shooting a pistol
that's been fitted for blanks.

1666
01:19:53.783 --> 01:19:56.454
And you can get wadded.
I've been sprayed
a thousand times with wadding.

1667
01:19:56.623 --> 01:19:58.053
I've been shot and burned.

1668
01:19:58.222 --> 01:19:59.788
Nobody can get killed
with a solid plug gun.

1669
01:19:59.957 --> 01:20:01.455
Nothing comes out of the front.

1670
01:20:02.794 --> 01:20:04.158
[shells clattering on floor]

1671
01:20:04.360 --> 01:20:06.130
And now the gun cycles.
It's totally safe.

1672
01:20:06.299 --> 01:20:08.432
You can have
your hand in the front.
It won't do anything.

1673
01:20:08.601 --> 01:20:13.470
There was also a very
big benefit audio-wise
for the stunt performers.

1674
01:20:13.639 --> 01:20:14.905
Things are going on.

1675
01:20:15.074 --> 01:20:16.302
There's a hundred guys
Keanu is fighting,

1676
01:20:16.470 --> 01:20:18.006
so people are yelling,
making kung fu noises.

1677
01:20:18.208 --> 01:20:20.007
So, the fact that
we had a plugged gun

1678
01:20:20.209 --> 01:20:22.308
that actually
sounded like a real gun,

1679
01:20:22.476 --> 01:20:24.145
you know, it was easier
for our stuntpeople

1680
01:20:24.314 --> 01:20:27.316
to take their cues off
the sounds of the guns.

1681
01:20:30.318 --> 01:20:32.158
[both chuckle]
That was awesome.

1682
01:20:32.327 --> 01:20:33.521
I like that press.

1683
01:20:33.723 --> 01:20:35.953
Ah. So fun.

1684
01:20:36.122 --> 01:20:39.328
-Now we're just gonna
slap on the Benelli.
-We better get that shotgun.

1685
01:20:39.894 --> 01:20:41.594
[grunting]

1686
01:20:45.003 --> 01:20:47.302
-Oh, yeah. Match saver.
-Match saver.

1687
01:20:47.471 --> 01:20:50.438
When he runs out of ammo,
this is called the match saver.

1688
01:20:50.607 --> 01:20:53.606
In the old-school way,
you'd have to reach down
to your belt,

1689
01:20:54.850 --> 01:20:57.508
grab a shell, drop it in,
and drop the bolt.

1690
01:20:57.677 --> 01:21:00.784
And that takes, like,
almost two seconds.

1691
01:21:00.953 --> 01:21:03.355
This way, I'm shooting,
I run empty,

1692
01:21:03.524 --> 01:21:04.656
I know immediately.

1693
01:21:04.858 --> 01:21:06.520
I throw it in
and hit the bolt.

1694
01:21:09.198 --> 01:21:12.963
-Also on that one
did the jacket pull draw.
-Jacket pull draw. Yeah.

1695
01:21:13.132 --> 01:21:14.831
Jacket pull draw.
[Reeves] Jacket pull draw.

1696
01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:18.796
Very slick.
So good. Jacket pull draw.

1697
01:21:22.477 --> 01:21:25.473
[Stahelski] A lot of the DNA,
like we say, is always
in the first one, right?

1698
01:21:25.642 --> 01:21:28.347
But I keep going back
to number two
as the real experiment.

1699
01:21:28.516 --> 01:21:30.478
[EDM music playing]

1700
01:21:34.713 --> 01:21:36.152
[Stahelski]<i> John Wick</i>
rock concert.

1701
01:21:36.321 --> 01:21:38.249
See, where's Dave now?
This is his cup of tea.

1702
01:21:38.451 --> 01:21:40.092
Dave would be up there rapping.

1703
01:21:41.855 --> 01:21:44.197
When we were in Rome and we
were doing the concert stuff,

1704
01:21:44.366 --> 01:21:46.923
that was when we decided,
okay, we have
this huge crowd of people.

1705
01:21:47.125 --> 01:21:49.861
We have music going,
like, how kooky
are we gonna get here?

1706
01:21:50.030 --> 01:21:52.438
Like, is John Wick
really gonna run up on stage
and shoot somebody?

1707
01:21:52.640 --> 01:21:53.666
We're like, yeah.
Yeah.

1708
01:21:58.003 --> 01:21:59.704
[Stahelski] This is where we
were like, okay, we're going.

1709
01:21:59.873 --> 01:22:01.849
The crowd's cheering for
shooting people in the head.

1710
01:22:02.018 --> 01:22:04.276
So, it's kind of like
Red Circle
from the first one.

1711
01:22:04.479 --> 01:22:05.851
[Stahelski] We do
like a club scene.

1712
01:22:06.053 --> 01:22:08.715
That whole concert, for me,
it came together

1713
01:22:08.851 --> 01:22:11.221
so big and so larger than life,
and when we heard
the music going

1714
01:22:11.390 --> 01:22:13.591
it was like,
"Okay, we got to pump
this up a little bit."

1715
01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:16.288
Then it was you like,
"I'm gonna jump down the
stairs. We're just gonna go.

1716
01:22:16.490 --> 01:22:17.897
I'm gonna run
through the crowd."

1717
01:22:18.066 --> 01:22:20.125
It was this different kind
of energy than number one.

1718
01:22:20.327 --> 01:22:21.531
It was a lot more aggressive.

1719
01:22:21.700 --> 01:22:22.728
[Reeves] Yeah.

1720
01:22:24.836 --> 01:22:26.072
Bang, bang! Bang! Bang!

1721
01:22:27.036 --> 01:22:28.935
Bang! Got to go in here.

1722
01:22:29.104 --> 01:22:30.769
Oh, no. Bang, bang!

1723
01:22:31.444 --> 01:22:32.772
Bang!

1724
01:22:32.941 --> 01:22:34.477
[grunting]

1725
01:22:34.679 --> 01:22:35.807
Shit! Bang!

1726
01:22:37.117 --> 01:22:39.377
We did invent this choreography
in the night.

1727
01:22:39.546 --> 01:22:41.216
Literally did that
on the night.

1728
01:22:41.385 --> 01:22:44.123
[Reeves] Flick. Look at that.
That's legit.

1729
01:22:44.292 --> 01:22:47.152
John Wick's just got
a lot of angry arms.
Yeah, look at that.

1730
01:22:47.354 --> 01:22:49.395
I love that, the pullback.

1731
01:22:49.564 --> 01:22:51.759
I just want to see the heads
explode. I just want to see
a little bit of that.

1732
01:22:51.928 --> 01:22:53.561
[crowd clamoring]

1733
01:22:55.062 --> 01:22:56.961
[Stahelski] Yeah, pretty much
just made this all up
on the night.

1734
01:22:57.130 --> 01:22:59.431
[Reeves] But I think
this introduced, too,
the idea of the toolbox,

1735
01:22:59.500 --> 01:23:01.438
the way that
you guys trained me.

1736
01:23:01.873 --> 01:23:05.370
The magic of what Keanu
went through is we built
a giant toolbox for him...

1737
01:23:05.438 --> 01:23:07.244
[crew member] You're out.

1738
01:23:07.680 --> 01:23:10.413
...that at any moment,
we can pull out tools from
and plug and play.

1739
01:23:10.482 --> 01:23:12.750
Secondary.
[Perry] I built the training
very similar

1740
01:23:12.918 --> 01:23:14.016
to the way we do choreography.

1741
01:23:14.218 --> 01:23:15.646
I would put
a dummy round in the mag

1742
01:23:15.815 --> 01:23:17.319
so he would have to
correct a malfunction.

1743
01:23:17.554 --> 01:23:19.658
So, I would create problems
in the middle of this

1744
01:23:19.793 --> 01:23:21.091
that he would have to solve.

1745
01:23:21.260 --> 01:23:22.827
All that prep gives you
this luxury of, like,

1746
01:23:22.996 --> 01:23:25.091
we can be flexible
and in the moment,

1747
01:23:25.260 --> 01:23:27.625
and almost ad-lib the action

1748
01:23:27.793 --> 01:23:30.160
because he's already
gotten so good.

1749
01:23:30.329 --> 01:23:32.165
What? Cut it!

1750
01:23:32.334 --> 01:23:33.697
This is what Reeves
can do.

1751
01:23:33.900 --> 01:23:36.003
And see, that spoiled me
for the rest of the movie.

1752
01:23:36.171 --> 01:23:39.045
So, now I know you can
do anything. I'm like,
"I can change shit on the day."

1753
01:23:39.247 --> 01:23:41.771
In most action movies, you
can't change the choreography.

1754
01:23:41.940 --> 01:23:44.608
Yeah.
You don't want to upset
"insert name."

1755
01:23:44.777 --> 01:23:46.548
Yeah.
After this,
it was like, "Oh, no,

1756
01:23:46.783 --> 01:23:49.188
we can change everything
on Keanu. He's great."
[both chuckle]

1757
01:23:49.324 --> 01:23:51.716
All the stunt teams are like,
"So we can still change things?

1758
01:23:51.784 --> 01:23:53.020
This is great."
We can still change things.

1759
01:23:53.556 --> 01:23:56.292
Sorry.
[crew member]
Back to one. Reset.

1760
01:23:56.361 --> 01:23:58.131
Fuck!
[crew member]
It's all good.

1761
01:23:58.300 --> 01:23:59.658
[Stahelski]
That's what I like about
the John Wick action.

1762
01:23:59.827 --> 01:24:01.561
John Wick always feels
a little back on his heels.

1763
01:24:01.763 --> 01:24:03.636
Kind of like he just learned
the choreography that day.

1764
01:24:03.805 --> 01:24:05.069
Yeah, yeah.
Which is awesome.

1765
01:24:05.271 --> 01:24:07.564
And after this,
now it was a challenge to us.

1766
01:24:07.766 --> 01:24:10.170
How do we keep up with Keanu?
[laughs]

1767
01:24:10.338 --> 01:24:14.312
Whoever comes,
whoever it is,

1768
01:24:15.440 --> 01:24:16.677
I'll kill them.

1769
01:24:17.850 --> 01:24:19.379
I'll kill them all.

1770
01:24:19.581 --> 01:24:23.517
When<i> John Wick 2</i>
was being put together,

1771
01:24:23.686 --> 01:24:26.990
there were certain actors
that were saying, like,

1772
01:24:27.192 --> 01:24:28.656
"We would love to be
in<i> John Wick 2."</i>

1773
01:24:30.131 --> 01:24:32.057
You're not having a good night,
are you, John?

1774
01:24:32.292 --> 01:24:36.600
Once they put Rome on the map,
it was like, "I need to be
in<i> John Wick 2."</i>

1775
01:24:36.736 --> 01:24:40.030
Chad, man, like,
I have to be in there.
I have to be in that world.

1776
01:24:40.199 --> 01:24:43.074
I reached out to Keanu,
I was like, "Dude,
all of our friends,

1777
01:24:43.277 --> 01:24:45.540
all the guys that worked
on<i> The Matrix</i> pictures,

1778
01:24:45.709 --> 01:24:48.378
like, everybody's in the movie.
You gotta hook me up."

1779
01:24:48.547 --> 01:24:52.252
Mr. Wick doesn't remember,
but we met many years ago.

1780
01:24:52.420 --> 01:24:54.448
[Constantine]
And then there were
other actors that we thought,

1781
01:24:54.650 --> 01:24:56.187
"They would be great.
Let's try to get them."

1782
01:24:56.389 --> 01:25:02.021
And at that point,
not everyone
was in on<i> John Wick</i>

1783
01:25:02.190 --> 01:25:05.132
as such a big thing
that it's eventually
gonna come out to be.

1784
01:25:06.600 --> 01:25:08.127
[grunting]

1785
01:25:08.329 --> 01:25:09.494
Oh, you motherfucker.

1786
01:25:09.730 --> 01:25:12.433
[Constantine] When you
get to<i> John Wick 3,</i>

1787
01:25:12.568 --> 01:25:16.075
now there is this corner
that has been turned

1788
01:25:16.278 --> 01:25:20.704
where pretty much everybody
is aware of<i> John Wick.</i>

1789
01:25:20.873 --> 01:25:23.248
We can literally
call it a franchise

1790
01:25:23.417 --> 01:25:27.645
because number one worked,
number two worked even better,

1791
01:25:27.847 --> 01:25:29.618
and we're planning on
making number three.

1792
01:25:31.458 --> 01:25:34.960
Now you have brilliant actors,
Academy Award-winning actors,

1793
01:25:35.129 --> 01:25:39.031
like Halle Berry
and Anjelica Huston,

1794
01:25:39.233 --> 01:25:42.398
who really understands
what<i> John Wick</i> is,

1795
01:25:42.567 --> 01:25:47.273
wants to be with Keanu,
wants to be with 87eleven.

1796
01:25:47.441 --> 01:25:51.803
I was a fan. I mean, there's
not a dull moment on screen.

1797
01:25:51.972 --> 01:25:53.776
I don't need to see the script.
Just sign me up.

1798
01:25:53.945 --> 01:25:55.644
I gotta tell you,

1799
01:25:55.812 --> 01:25:58.849
I've been looking forward
to meeting you for a long time.

1800
01:25:59.051 --> 01:26:02.519
I'm a huge fan, John Wick.

1801
01:26:02.721 --> 01:26:04.490
[Iwanyk] We're part
of the establishment
all of a sudden.

1802
01:26:04.659 --> 01:26:06.059
When we weren't,

1803
01:26:06.261 --> 01:26:07.951
<i> John Wick 1</i> was way out
of the establishment.

1804
01:26:08.220 --> 01:26:11.697
Even<i> John Wick 2</i> was, like,
a foot in and a foot out.

1805
01:26:11.799 --> 01:26:16.966
And I said this to Keanu,
I'm like, "Listen,
for better or for worse,

1806
01:26:17.135 --> 01:26:22.303
we are now a place where
in the economics of film
and television and studios,

1807
01:26:22.472 --> 01:26:24.310
we have to
expand this world."

1808
01:26:24.512 --> 01:26:28.977
Like, there's no version
of us going,
"Ah, guys, we're good."

1809
01:26:29.113 --> 01:26:32.681
You know, the shareholders
of Lionsgate's like,
"No, we want more."

1810
01:26:32.850 --> 01:26:36.546
And so I think we've all kind
of collectively realized that,

1811
01:26:36.748 --> 01:26:40.722
and now we're like, "Okay,
how do we make things just
a bit cool, a bit different?"

1812
01:26:40.924 --> 01:26:44.660
[director]
All right. Picture's up.
Lock it up. Here we go.

1813
01:26:46.196 --> 01:26:47.724
Cool location, right?

1814
01:26:47.927 --> 01:26:49.368
[cameraperson]
It's awesome.
Thanks.

1815
01:26:50.801 --> 01:26:55.737
Fuck yeah.
<i>John Wick 3.</i> Manhattan.
New York City Library.

1816
01:27:00.112 --> 01:27:04.083
[Reeves] I feel like
every<i> John Wick</i> film has had,
like, the what and the why.

1817
01:27:04.286 --> 01:27:05.813
But what's the character?
What's the why?

1818
01:27:06.645 --> 01:27:07.886
And then along that,

1819
01:27:08.055 --> 01:27:09.988
each film has had two or three,

1820
01:27:10.157 --> 01:27:12.852
like, action,
not even sequences,

1821
01:27:13.021 --> 01:27:15.922
but, like,
I want to be here.
It's a mirror room.

1822
01:27:19.568 --> 01:27:21.660
[Reeves]
It's gonna be the fight
in the library with Boban.

1823
01:27:21.862 --> 01:27:24.997
It's gonna be the stairs
in<i> Chapter 4.</i>

1824
01:27:25.166 --> 01:27:29.333
There's always been
these impulses
of action or set pieces,

1825
01:27:29.502 --> 01:27:33.412
and somehow the story
has to go through here
and here, you know,

1826
01:27:33.580 --> 01:27:36.712
and that kind of relentlessness
of trying to figure it out.

1827
01:27:39.516 --> 01:27:42.085
Dogs, horses, pigeons,
Grand Central.

1828
01:27:42.253 --> 01:27:45.256
Grand Central.
Grand Central.

1829
01:27:45.425 --> 01:27:47.891
All right, get out of here.
I gotta go to work.

1830
01:27:48.060 --> 01:27:52.327
This is Ballet Land.
That's these ladies.
What are we shooting right now?

1831
01:27:52.529 --> 01:27:55.296
Tell 'em.
[both]<i> John Wick 3.</i>

1832
01:27:55.498 --> 01:27:57.261
That says it all,
doesn't it?

1833
01:27:57.429 --> 01:28:00.098
-[Reeves]
We're going to Marrakech.
-[Stahelski] Sounds good.

1834
01:28:00.266 --> 01:28:02.905
Going to Morocco. Halle Berry
in the desert with some dogs.

1835
01:28:03.074 --> 01:28:06.212
[exclaims]
[Berry] It's one of the
hardest things I've ever done.

1836
01:28:06.381 --> 01:28:10.043
I pushed myself to the limit.
I had some broken bones.

1837
01:28:10.212 --> 01:28:11.815
[chuckles]

1838
01:28:12.017 --> 01:28:13.113
But I survived.

1839
01:28:13.282 --> 01:28:15.085
[dog snarling]

1840
01:28:15.254 --> 01:28:17.216
Dogs.
We need dogs in the movie.

1841
01:28:17.385 --> 01:28:19.287
What are you gonna do?
Well, we're gonna train dogs
to attack groins.

1842
01:28:19.456 --> 01:28:21.119
-[man screaming]
-[dog barking]

1843
01:28:24.290 --> 01:28:27.300
That was one of the concepts.
That was one of the concepts.

1844
01:28:27.502 --> 01:28:29.460
<i> John Wick 3.</i>
If you knew the budget
we spent on dogs.

1845
01:28:29.629 --> 01:28:30.667
That was the concept.

1846
01:28:34.409 --> 01:28:35.733
[Stahelski] We're gonna
train Halle Berry with dogs.

1847
01:28:35.902 --> 01:28:37.640
Got an actress
who wanted to say,

1848
01:28:37.809 --> 01:28:40.404
"Yeah, I want to train dogs
for seven, eight months."

1849
01:28:40.573 --> 01:28:43.975
And that's not from
a book series. That's not
from a graphic novel.

1850
01:28:44.144 --> 01:28:46.246
That's from us going,
"Hey, man, you like dogs?

1851
01:28:46.415 --> 01:28:48.816
I like dogs. You like dogs?
I like dogs. Let's do
something cool with dogs.

1852
01:28:48.985 --> 01:28:51.589
We did guns and cars. Let's
do dogs. Yeah, I like dogs."

1853
01:28:54.786 --> 01:28:56.595
Dog fu.
Dog fu, man.

1854
01:28:56.763 --> 01:28:58.597
[barks]

1855
01:28:58.765 --> 01:29:00.830
And then, Keanu's going,
"John Wick's got to be
on a horse."

1856
01:29:00.999 --> 01:29:03.634
And I'm like,
"John Wick on a horse
sounds pretty fucking cool."

1857
01:29:05.598 --> 01:29:07.340
[horse whinnies]

1858
01:29:07.776 --> 01:29:10.003
[Stahelski]
But a lot of other people
that read the script went,

1859
01:29:10.071 --> 01:29:13.380
"Yeah, that's not...
How is that gonna be cool?"

1860
01:29:13.582 --> 01:29:15.471
-Because he ran out
of Central Park.
-And we're like,

1861
01:29:15.640 --> 01:29:17.675
"We're not really sure,
but we're gonna try
and figure it out."

1862
01:29:17.844 --> 01:29:19.984
There's horses
by Central Park.

1863
01:29:20.152 --> 01:29:23.322
[Stahelski] If you're willing
to endure that little bit
of fear of the unknown

1864
01:29:23.491 --> 01:29:25.390
and that little bit of pain
of figuring it out...

1865
01:29:25.593 --> 01:29:27.455
[Reeves] Who doesn't want
to see John Wick on a horse?

1866
01:29:27.624 --> 01:29:29.629
-[Stahelski] Yeah.
-In a suit.

1867
01:29:29.798 --> 01:29:31.362
I mean, how we...

1868
01:29:31.531 --> 01:29:33.695
And I think most people
get weirded out by it

1869
01:29:33.864 --> 01:29:35.666
because they don't know
how it fits in the story

1870
01:29:35.835 --> 01:29:38.305
or they don't know how
to make it work
with the character,

1871
01:29:38.507 --> 01:29:40.740
and that's the beauty of
what we have with<i> John Wick.</i>

1872
01:29:40.942 --> 01:29:42.473
It's our IP.
Yeah.

1873
01:29:42.708 --> 01:29:45.207
So, there's no... [chuckles]
There's no real rules.

1874
01:29:45.309 --> 01:29:47.904
Like, we've had people
come up to us and
actually say to Keanu and I,

1875
01:29:48.106 --> 01:29:49.180
"Well, that's not
very John Wick."

1876
01:29:49.349 --> 01:29:50.910
And we're like, "I don't know,

1877
01:29:51.113 --> 01:29:52.381
that's John Wick, and he
says he'll be on a horse."

1878
01:29:52.550 --> 01:29:54.078
You want to ride a horse?
Yeah, man.

1879
01:29:54.280 --> 01:29:55.345
All right, then it's
pretty John Wick, isn't it?

1880
01:29:56.154 --> 01:29:57.084
[tires screech]

1881
01:29:57.287 --> 01:29:58.819
[horn blaring]

1882
01:29:58.988 --> 01:30:01.986
Getting to know Jackie Chan
and Donnie Yen and Jet Li,

1883
01:30:02.154 --> 01:30:03.558
and having worked
with all those people.

1884
01:30:03.727 --> 01:30:06.762
I was talking
to Jackie one time...

1885
01:30:06.964 --> 01:30:09.664
This is after spending a lot
of time watching how he works.

1886
01:30:09.833 --> 01:30:12.266
And, you know,
I was giving him a little shit.

1887
01:30:12.468 --> 01:30:15.204
You know, like, if Keanu and I
were just sitting here
and I was telling Jackie,

1888
01:30:15.372 --> 01:30:18.007
"You know, if you have
two people sitting there
and there's a desk between us,"

1889
01:30:18.176 --> 01:30:20.346
we're like, "Well, you know,
he'd say something,
I'd say something.

1890
01:30:20.515 --> 01:30:22.005
I'd jump over the desk,
we'd start fighting,

1891
01:30:22.174 --> 01:30:23.713
and then we'd punch
and punch and punch,

1892
01:30:23.882 --> 01:30:25.784
and then the other guy would
walk out and say a cool line."

1893
01:30:25.986 --> 01:30:29.852
Jackie would do literally
the exact opposite
of any other choreographer.

1894
01:30:30.021 --> 01:30:32.525
He'd go, "Okay,
you don't say anything.
I'll say a joke.

1895
01:30:32.694 --> 01:30:35.856
I'm gonna try to walk out, but
you stop me from walking out.

1896
01:30:36.025 --> 01:30:39.466
Then the room catches on fire,
the door is locked,

1897
01:30:39.668 --> 01:30:42.135
we get handcuffed together
and... What,
are you right-handed?

1898
01:30:42.337 --> 01:30:44.194
Okay, so you can't
use your right hand.

1899
01:30:44.363 --> 01:30:46.205
And you got to protect
this vase here from breaking

1900
01:30:46.374 --> 01:30:47.968
because that's
really what you wanted.

1901
01:30:48.170 --> 01:30:50.237
And you can't kill anybody,
although everybody has a gun."

1902
01:30:50.406 --> 01:30:54.442
And you'd look at Jackie
and go, "Well, how am I
supposed to do that?"

1903
01:30:54.611 --> 01:30:56.573
And he had
the best answer ever.

1904
01:30:56.742 --> 01:30:59.146
He looked right back and said,
"I have no idea
how you're gonna do it,

1905
01:30:59.348 --> 01:31:02.322
but if you figure it out,
it'll be the best fight
in the movie."

1906
01:31:02.524 --> 01:31:04.825
One of the sequences that
I think will always go down

1907
01:31:05.027 --> 01:31:10.255
as one of the greatest moments
in all four<i> John Wick</i> movies
is the knife fight.

1908
01:31:10.424 --> 01:31:14.666
It's using all the things
that would normally
be a problem.

1909
01:31:14.868 --> 01:31:19.730
John is in
a straight, narrow room,
and he doesn't have a gun.

1910
01:31:19.899 --> 01:31:23.766
And all these assassins
who have guns are coming to
get him, and he can't hide.

1911
01:31:23.935 --> 01:31:28.639
So now he has to neutralize
the guns that could shoot him
and kill him, right?

1912
01:31:28.808 --> 01:31:30.007
That's number one.

1913
01:31:30.209 --> 01:31:34.183
Number two,
he gets thrown against glass.

1914
01:31:34.385 --> 01:31:37.790
And what feels like
it's gonna be a problem
turns out to be an asset.

1915
01:31:37.959 --> 01:31:39.020
It's brilliant.

1916
01:31:45.262 --> 01:31:48.033
-[Reeves] That's so good.
-We always called it
the snowball fight.

1917
01:31:48.235 --> 01:31:50.929
You and your brothers get
the snowball and you just
chuck them at each other.

1918
01:31:51.098 --> 01:31:52.933
We were saying
in every action movie,

1919
01:31:53.102 --> 01:31:54.770
no matter who it is,
he always picks up a knife,

1920
01:31:55.073 --> 01:31:56.838
and they throw it,
and it sticks in,
and the guy dies.

1921
01:31:56.907 --> 01:31:58.675
And we're like,
"That never really happens."

1922
01:31:58.844 --> 01:32:01.138
So let's do one where
everybody misses all the time.

1923
01:32:01.306 --> 01:32:02.711
We kept rehearsing it
and rehearsing it.

1924
01:32:02.913 --> 01:32:04.183
We kept changing
all the different pieces.

1925
01:32:04.352 --> 01:32:05.814
But it still
didn't fit right.

1926
01:32:05.983 --> 01:32:07.952
I was like, "Okay,
it's gonna be a decent fight."

1927
01:32:08.121 --> 01:32:09.983
You know, I was looking forward
to the horse stuff more
and all that shit.

1928
01:32:10.152 --> 01:32:12.316
-Yeah.
-It was about the third day
of doing this.

1929
01:32:12.485 --> 01:32:15.355
It was when you come at him,
just going one, two, three.

1930
01:32:15.524 --> 01:32:19.055
My opinion totally changed
in this fight,
right on that. Right here.

1931
01:32:19.257 --> 01:32:21.194
-[man grunts]
-[Reeves exclaims]

1932
01:32:26.041 --> 01:32:27.305
What do I do?
Duck.

1933
01:32:27.474 --> 01:32:29.808
Duck? Duck?
[Stahelski]
You better.

1934
01:32:29.977 --> 01:32:31.875
[laughter]

1935
01:32:32.044 --> 01:32:33.206
Duck?

1936
01:32:34.511 --> 01:32:36.010
This is real speed.

1937
01:32:36.179 --> 01:32:39.317
[Stahelski] This is... Yeah,
this is Shane and Chen here.

1938
01:32:39.486 --> 01:32:41.213
[Reeves]
Whoa! That's legit.

1939
01:32:41.382 --> 01:32:43.549
We were literally putting
this stuff together on the day.

1940
01:32:43.718 --> 01:32:44.647
[Stahelski] Action!

1941
01:32:44.816 --> 01:32:46.860
[grunting]

1942
01:32:47.029 --> 01:32:50.729
Remember, like, when we had
that, like, fucking take
that's in the movie?

1943
01:32:50.898 --> 01:32:51.888
Yep.

1944
01:32:52.190 --> 01:32:53.395
Take forever.
[all laugh]

1945
01:32:53.464 --> 01:32:54.896
Not that...
I know.

1946
01:32:55.065 --> 01:32:58.671
Shane is, like, amazing
as well, but I'm so slow.

1947
01:32:58.839 --> 01:33:01.266
But there was something about
that one take that was like--

1948
01:33:01.468 --> 01:33:04.777
Yeah, that take, you know,
it's great. It's great.

1949
01:33:04.979 --> 01:33:07.009
[grunting]

1950
01:33:15.089 --> 01:33:19.588
[Reeves] I was like,
"Guys, I don't think
I could do that any faster."

1951
01:33:19.757 --> 01:33:21.623
And Shane was like,
"Me neither."

1952
01:33:21.825 --> 01:33:23.923
We reached, like,
a high hand.
It is.

1953
01:33:24.092 --> 01:33:26.964
It was so good
but so very tired.
Right?

1954
01:33:27.167 --> 01:33:28.366
[all laughing]

1955
01:33:28.535 --> 01:33:30.527
[crew member]
That was fast. A lot.

1956
01:33:31.070 --> 01:33:32.104
Jesus.

1957
01:33:32.373 --> 01:33:34.374
What I learned
in<i> John Wick 1,</i>

1958
01:33:34.443 --> 01:33:36.442
which you carried on
through all of them,

1959
01:33:36.611 --> 01:33:40.106
was fight film
with who you trained with.
Yeah.

1960
01:33:40.275 --> 01:33:42.912
[Reeves] Everyone gets
to know your timing, you know?

1961
01:33:43.081 --> 01:33:47.153
They know how slow I am,
so they can do stuff
in between.

1962
01:33:47.356 --> 01:33:48.649
"Come on, Reeves!"
They compensate.

1963
01:33:48.852 --> 01:33:50.389
You figure
everyone else does that.

1964
01:33:50.692 --> 01:33:52.353
I don't know
why movies don't.
They don't.

1965
01:33:52.422 --> 01:33:53.990
[grunting]

1966
01:33:55.563 --> 01:33:56.957
[crew member 1] Cut!
[crew member 2] Cut.

1967
01:33:57.292 --> 01:33:58.295
[Schultz] Keanu, you know,
he's a perfectionist.

1968
01:33:58.363 --> 01:33:59.564
[Reeves] I sucked.

1969
01:33:59.733 --> 01:34:01.326
[Schultz] And he is
very hard on himself.

1970
01:34:01.528 --> 01:34:02.830
Obviously, his biggest action
movies other than<i> John Wick</i>

1971
01:34:03.066 --> 01:34:05.227
were the<i> Matrix</i> movies.
And the Wachowskis,

1972
01:34:05.363 --> 01:34:07.805
you know,
there was no good enough.

1973
01:34:07.974 --> 01:34:10.072
And even if it is perfect,
we'll shoot it ten more times

1974
01:34:10.241 --> 01:34:12.274
and make sure
it's perfect-perfect,
you know, super-perfect.

1975
01:34:12.443 --> 01:34:14.175
Super-perfect.

1976
01:34:14.377 --> 01:34:16.240
That's a Reevesian word,
super-perfect.
Yeah, that's--

1977
01:34:16.409 --> 01:34:18.749
That's where we get
the fuckity fucks.
Yeah.

1978
01:34:18.918 --> 01:34:21.782
All directed at yourself,
which is very admirable.

1979
01:34:21.951 --> 01:34:24.153
-[upbeat music playing]
-[grunting]

1980
01:34:24.322 --> 01:34:26.283
Fuck! Fuck!

1981
01:34:26.451 --> 01:34:28.689
[crew member]
Cut. We'll go again.
Fuck!

1982
01:34:28.891 --> 01:34:30.697
I can't do
the fucking lock.

1983
01:34:30.899 --> 01:34:34.328
Fucking lock,
fucking, fucking lock,
fucking lock, fuck.

1984
01:34:34.497 --> 01:34:37.436
Fuck! Fuck!

1985
01:34:37.605 --> 01:34:39.535
Fucker. Fucking, fucking,
fucking fuck.

1986
01:34:39.737 --> 01:34:42.770
Fuck.
That is my bad. Fuck!

1987
01:34:42.939 --> 01:34:45.305
Okay, now
let's just do that.

1988
01:34:45.474 --> 01:34:46.373
Fuck!

1989
01:34:46.575 --> 01:34:48.638
[grunting]

1990
01:34:48.807 --> 01:34:49.706
Fuck.

1991
01:34:49.908 --> 01:34:51.674
[laughing]

1992
01:34:51.843 --> 01:34:52.950
Fuck!

1993
01:34:53.119 --> 01:34:54.051
Fuck!

1994
01:34:54.253 --> 01:34:56.789
Fuck. Fuck.

1995
01:35:01.925 --> 01:35:04.525
Fuck it. I fucked that up.
Fuck!

1996
01:35:04.661 --> 01:35:05.626
[crew member 1] Cut.

1997
01:35:05.862 --> 01:35:06.859
[crew member 2] Got it?
Fuck!

1998
01:35:06.994 --> 01:35:08.961
[crew member 3] Yes.
Fuck!

1999
01:35:09.130 --> 01:35:10.169
[crew member 1]
Let's go again.

2000
01:35:10.337 --> 01:35:13.971
So, the fucks come from,

2001
01:35:14.140 --> 01:35:17.073
number one,
you wanna do it well.
You wanna do it right.

2002
01:35:17.275 --> 01:35:20.879
And also, when I've been
thinking about it, it's like...

2003
01:35:21.983 --> 01:35:23.707
[sighs]

2004
01:35:23.875 --> 01:35:27.980
...when you have to do
a wire, or you go
into an action sequence,

2005
01:35:28.149 --> 01:35:31.186
you basically
have like a spring.

2006
01:35:31.355 --> 01:35:34.321
You know, you have a tension
that's waiting to release.

2007
01:35:34.490 --> 01:35:38.028
And I feel like
the fucks are a way
to like... [grunts]

2008
01:35:38.197 --> 01:35:41.695
It's like a kiai.
Yeah. It's like a kiai.
Like, "Fuck!"

2009
01:35:41.830 --> 01:35:43.826
[exclaims] Like, "Fuck."

2010
01:35:44.195 --> 01:35:47.639
And then, you get to
ratchet it back up and go,
"Okay, let's try again."

2011
01:35:47.707 --> 01:35:50.370
[crew member]
Three, two, one, action.

2012
01:35:52.310 --> 01:35:53.572
Yeah.

2013
01:35:53.741 --> 01:35:56.015
[grunting]

2014
01:35:56.184 --> 01:35:59.614
[Perry] Reeves has consistently
been one of the kindest,
hardest-working,

2015
01:35:59.816 --> 01:36:04.889
gentle, generous people
that I've ever met inside
or outside of this business.

2016
01:36:05.058 --> 01:36:07.925
But when he plugs in and
he goes all in on something,

2017
01:36:08.094 --> 01:36:10.562
he's going all in, and
you gotta be ready for that.

2018
01:36:10.731 --> 01:36:12.058
[Dacascos]
He knows what he's doing,

2019
01:36:12.327 --> 01:36:14.695
and when he grabs you
to do a throw or flip,

2020
01:36:14.764 --> 01:36:16.802
it's like a vice.

2021
01:36:17.004 --> 01:36:21.031
And if you look
on my Instagram,
I posted a small picture.

2022
01:36:21.200 --> 01:36:23.742
My arms are just like, what?

2023
01:36:23.911 --> 01:36:26.843
But I was proud of those.
I earned those, you know?

2024
01:36:27.045 --> 01:36:30.212
<i>John Wick,</i> Chad and Keanu
right here, all over.

2025
01:36:36.182 --> 01:36:39.882
[Iwanyk] I cannot tell you
how many times on a<i> John Wick</i>
set I have taken my phone

2026
01:36:40.051 --> 01:36:43.721
and have videoed stunts
and fight scenes
that were happening.

2027
01:36:43.890 --> 01:36:48.131
Not for any other reason
but to say, "Look,
this actually was done."

2028
01:36:51.037 --> 01:36:53.104
You know, I've seen
Keanu and his stunt double

2029
01:36:53.272 --> 01:36:56.733
go through some
incredibly physical trauma
on these movies.

2030
01:37:05.912 --> 01:37:08.118
[grunting]

2031
01:37:12.086 --> 01:37:14.158
[people cheering, applauding]

2032
01:37:14.326 --> 01:37:17.524
[Spidell] Getting the chance
to double Keanu
was pretty surreal.

2033
01:37:17.727 --> 01:37:21.630
His relationship with Chad
being his double
through<i> The Matrix,</i>

2034
01:37:21.798 --> 01:37:23.595
which changed my life...

2035
01:37:23.797 --> 01:37:28.105
So, having Chad
pass me the torch
was just a huge honor.

2036
01:37:28.240 --> 01:37:32.604
And just getting to meet Reeves
and make that relationship.

2037
01:37:34.312 --> 01:37:37.808
Well, they're playing
the character too,
you know?

2038
01:37:37.977 --> 01:37:40.511
[grunting]

2039
01:37:40.680 --> 01:37:46.453
And they're doing things
where they can get hurt.

2040
01:37:47.460 --> 01:37:49.126
Like, really hurt.

2041
01:37:51.096 --> 01:37:53.196
I don't know how many car hits
Jackson took.

2042
01:37:56.796 --> 01:37:59.972
I mean, if someone
counted those,
there's at least 20.

2043
01:38:01.106 --> 01:38:03.173
And that's, like,
in an edited version.

2044
01:38:09.707 --> 01:38:11.383
And then all of the falls
that he did...

2045
01:38:11.552 --> 01:38:12.677
[crew member]
...one, go!

2046
01:38:13.782 --> 01:38:15.377
[groaning]

2047
01:38:15.546 --> 01:38:16.890
[Reeves]
Crashing, hitting...

2048
01:38:18.552 --> 01:38:22.093
collisions that are like,
"Oh, no. What?"

2049
01:38:24.695 --> 01:38:28.191
And then all of
the choreography that
he could do that I couldn't do,

2050
01:38:28.360 --> 01:38:29.694
you know, just physically.

2051
01:38:32.904 --> 01:38:34.933
Also the skill,
the movement,

2052
01:38:35.135 --> 01:38:38.870
the way he moved,
the way that he, you know, paid
attention to the character,

2053
01:38:39.039 --> 01:38:40.513
to me in the role.

2054
01:38:40.649 --> 01:38:42.376
And there's a talent
to that.

2055
01:38:42.778 --> 01:38:45.245
It's not just,
like, put the pads on
and get hit by a car.

2056
01:38:45.314 --> 01:38:47.018
You know,
he's playing John Wick.

2057
01:38:47.387 --> 01:38:49.186
And he's gotta move...
You want to sell it
a little bit.

2058
01:38:50.387 --> 01:38:53.221
So, I think you're bonded
and connected in art,

2059
01:38:53.390 --> 01:38:56.028
and you're connected
in the physicality of it.

2060
01:39:04.333 --> 01:39:07.064
We're all very
masochistic in a way.

2061
01:39:07.233 --> 01:39:10.537
It's just like, "It hurts."
It's a "Thank you, sir.
May I have another?"

2062
01:39:12.378 --> 01:39:17.709
My greatest physical pain was
from the high fall on<i> Wick 3.</i>

2063
01:39:23.784 --> 01:39:28.221
So, I fall
I think it was 12 feet
to this little awning,

2064
01:39:28.390 --> 01:39:30.324
which is Lexan,
which is like a plastic.

2065
01:39:30.527 --> 01:39:33.556
Slide down, I'm supposed to
catch my feet on the ledge

2066
01:39:33.725 --> 01:39:36.960
and, like, pencil over,
like dead body,

2067
01:39:37.128 --> 01:39:40.764
turn until I land
on my back half on,
half off the fire escape.

2068
01:39:40.933 --> 01:39:43.075
It's supposed to collapse
and I'm supposed to fall.

2069
01:39:47.540 --> 01:39:48.741
You're going to...
Yep. Yes, sir.

2070
01:39:48.910 --> 01:39:49.939
All right.

2071
01:39:53.147 --> 01:39:54.779
Well, we tested the gag,

2072
01:39:54.947 --> 01:39:59.454
but we never tested the suit
on the Lexan that I slide down.

2073
01:39:59.623 --> 01:40:03.492
I just had, like,
workout clothes on
or something like that.

2074
01:40:03.661 --> 01:40:08.199
And so, the static electricity
from a suit
creates less friction...

2075
01:40:10.970 --> 01:40:13.772
so I think when I fell,
I slid so fast

2076
01:40:13.941 --> 01:40:16.866
that by the time
I figured out where I was,

2077
01:40:17.068 --> 01:40:19.602
my feet were going past where
they were supposed to catch.

2078
01:40:19.771 --> 01:40:23.282
So my hip ended up
chipping off the ledge.

2079
01:40:23.485 --> 01:40:26.779
And I'm going sideways,
so I'm about to
<i>Million Dollar Baby</i> myself.

2080
01:40:26.948 --> 01:40:32.058
Luckily, I caught myself
and landed basically
on the back of my head.

2081
01:40:33.685 --> 01:40:35.290
The fire escape
didn't break away,

2082
01:40:35.459 --> 01:40:37.961
which would have let me fall
and continue the shot

2083
01:40:38.130 --> 01:40:40.297
to where I would
fall into a box catcher.

2084
01:40:43.096 --> 01:40:45.731
The first thing that
I thought of was just like,
"Move your foot."

2085
01:40:47.140 --> 01:40:49.232
My foot moved, and I was like,
"Oh, thank God."

2086
01:40:49.434 --> 01:40:51.903
"We're gonna try the other
one." The other went...
I was like, "Okay, great."

2087
01:40:52.105 --> 01:40:53.839
[applause]

2088
01:40:54.007 --> 01:40:56.375
[Spidell] This is how
I knew it looked bad
in the video village.

2089
01:40:56.544 --> 01:40:59.041
Someone said Chad went, "Fuck!"
[laughs]

2090
01:40:59.210 --> 01:41:00.752
[Stahelski]
I can bring a Condor
or you can come down your way.

2091
01:41:00.954 --> 01:41:02.484
I'll just drop.
[Stahelski] Okay.

2092
01:41:03.349 --> 01:41:05.157
Three, two, one, jump!

2093
01:41:06.824 --> 01:41:09.425
[Spidell] I just looked down
and Chad's just
hands in his pockets.

2094
01:41:11.031 --> 01:41:14.067
"How you doing?"
I'm like, "That sucked."

2095
01:41:14.799 --> 01:41:16.592
That was... Fuck.

2096
01:41:16.761 --> 01:41:18.731
[Stahelski]
You all right?
Yeah.

2097
01:41:19.134 --> 01:41:21.505
I'm like,
"Do we need to go again?"
He's like, "I'd like to."

2098
01:41:21.574 --> 01:41:24.037
He's like, "Can you?"
I was like,
"Yeah, but if we go again,

2099
01:41:24.205 --> 01:41:25.669
we need to go, like, now

2100
01:41:25.838 --> 01:41:28.444
because I have a feeling
in about ten minutes,

2101
01:41:28.646 --> 01:41:32.012
I'm going to be like Batman
'cause I landed on my head."

2102
01:41:32.180 --> 01:41:35.284
He's like, "All right.
Well, let's figure out
what we need to do to fix it,

2103
01:41:35.486 --> 01:41:38.715
and let's go. All right.
I'm glad you're okay."

2104
01:41:38.883 --> 01:41:42.061
Why was it so slick?
That was slick as shit.

2105
01:41:42.230 --> 01:41:44.557
[Spidell] So I went
and did it again.
[chuckles]

2106
01:41:44.726 --> 01:41:49.759
This is another testament
to our, like, bullshit.

2107
01:41:49.928 --> 01:41:52.366
See Chad looking at the monitor
and I was like,

2108
01:41:52.534 --> 01:41:54.140
"All right, how was that?"
He's like,

2109
01:41:55.241 --> 01:41:56.800
"Well, we're not
going to beat the first one."

2110
01:41:57.002 --> 01:41:59.075
He's like, "It looks
like you just fucking die."

2111
01:41:59.244 --> 01:42:00.938
And I was like, "Well, yeah."
[chuckles]

2112
01:42:03.276 --> 01:42:08.580
So, you know,
you're watching another person
put their health at risk.

2113
01:42:08.749 --> 01:42:10.984
You know? But you also
know that they love it.

2114
01:42:11.186 --> 01:42:12.086
[crew member] Nice jump.

2115
01:42:12.255 --> 01:42:13.584
[Reeves] And you also know that

2116
01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:16.156
when it turns out well
and everybody's okay,

2117
01:42:16.225 --> 01:42:17.988
it's like, "Fuck yeah!"

2118
01:42:18.190 --> 01:42:20.897
And so, for me, it's just like
you're admiring what they do.

2119
01:42:21.065 --> 01:42:22.628
We're all wearing the suit.

2120
01:42:22.797 --> 01:42:24.894
[Stahelski] When you
come up as a stuntperson,

2121
01:42:25.063 --> 01:42:27.169
if you're looking for credit
and notoriety,

2122
01:42:27.371 --> 01:42:28.831
you're in the wrong end
of the business.

2123
01:42:29.033 --> 01:42:30.438
You get to do this little part.
You get to...

2124
01:42:30.607 --> 01:42:34.269
You have the anonymity
that I've always enjoyed.

2125
01:42:34.438 --> 01:42:37.275
And then, you know,
you get to work with
some of Hollywood's best,

2126
01:42:37.444 --> 01:42:39.516
and you get to be a ninja.

2127
01:42:39.719 --> 01:42:42.016
No one knew who you were,
but you still got to sit
in the movie theater

2128
01:42:42.218 --> 01:42:43.749
and go, "Yeah, that's me."

2129
01:42:43.918 --> 01:42:46.051
And you pull off some of the
greatest moments in Hollywood.

2130
01:42:46.320 --> 01:42:50.625
I'm pretty sure that
I have died more than
anyone else in the<i> Wick</i> series.

2131
01:42:53.301 --> 01:42:56.829
<i>Wick 2,</i> in the tunnels,
I was taking just shotgun hits.

2132
01:43:00.436 --> 01:43:02.769
<i> Wick 3,</i>
Halle killed me as well.

2133
01:43:05.442 --> 01:43:07.939
I played guards
inside the Continental.

2134
01:43:10.511 --> 01:43:12.449
I die twice in
the club scene...

2135
01:43:14.480 --> 01:43:16.316
once inside the house,

2136
01:43:16.485 --> 01:43:18.384
two times
in the house of mirrors,

2137
01:43:18.586 --> 01:43:21.024
a bunch of times
inside the tunnel,

2138
01:43:21.193 --> 01:43:22.558
probably like
four times in there.

2139
01:43:25.864 --> 01:43:28.326
I also doubled
Michael Nyqvist, so I guess
I died there as well.

2140
01:43:28.495 --> 01:43:30.600
-[screams]
-[laughs]

2141
01:43:30.802 --> 01:43:34.031
There's a fight scene
in<i> John Wick 1</i>
that Keanu strangles me.

2142
01:43:35.641 --> 01:43:40.010
Then in<i> 2,</i> we shot a big scene
in Lincoln Square, I think,

2143
01:43:40.179 --> 01:43:42.381
but it never made it
in the movie.

2144
01:43:42.584 --> 01:43:46.210
Then in<i> John Wick 3,</i>
I'm the guy
who kicks him underwater,

2145
01:43:46.379 --> 01:43:47.810
super slow motion,

2146
01:43:47.979 --> 01:43:50.345
then Keanu comes up,
blows my brains out.

2147
01:43:50.514 --> 01:43:53.258
At Trader Joe's, there was some
young guy who kind of was like,

2148
01:43:53.460 --> 01:43:55.658
"You've been in a movie.
I've seen it. I've seen it."

2149
01:43:55.860 --> 01:43:58.058
I was like, "Yeah, I've been
in a couple movies
like<i> John Wick."</i>

2150
01:43:58.260 --> 01:44:00.058
He's like, "You were
in<i> John Wick?"</i> I go,
"Yeah." He's like, "Cool."

2151
01:44:00.227 --> 01:44:03.099
And then the next day
I come in, and he yells
from across the way,

2152
01:44:03.301 --> 01:44:05.997
"Hey, hey,
that's the Speedo guy."

2153
01:44:17.413 --> 01:44:18.581
[crew member]
Check, recheck.

2154
01:44:20.853 --> 01:44:21.947
[Stahelski] Cut!

2155
01:44:24.490 --> 01:44:26.552
[Lee]<i> 3</i> was hard
because we shot everything

2156
01:44:26.721 --> 01:44:29.788
but not Morocco
because of weather,

2157
01:44:29.990 --> 01:44:34.225
and Halle had broken her ribs
and needed time to heal.

2158
01:44:34.394 --> 01:44:36.926
And so we had this
moment in time where
we were editing the movie,

2159
01:44:37.095 --> 01:44:38.464
but the middle
of the movie wasn't there.

2160
01:44:38.666 --> 01:44:40.038
We still couldn't
figure it out.

2161
01:44:40.374 --> 01:44:42.737
We didn't have enough money
to do that piece.

2162
01:44:44.542 --> 01:44:48.707
And then got to Morocco,
and Morocco was awful.

2163
01:44:48.876 --> 01:44:51.748
[laughing] I mean,
just like everything about it.

2164
01:44:51.917 --> 01:44:54.281
We were supposed to shoot
in one place.
We ended up in Essaouira.

2165
01:44:54.449 --> 01:44:56.885
We couldn't permit anything.

2166
01:44:57.054 --> 01:45:01.253
And then, we had the dogs,
which also we had to ferry
from the US.

2167
01:45:01.422 --> 01:45:03.591
There's five dogs.
We get there, and one of
the dogs wouldn't perform

2168
01:45:03.693 --> 01:45:05.096
because they just
didn't like Morocco.

2169
01:45:05.532 --> 01:45:07.957
-[barks]
-[Lee] It was also
this fishing village,

2170
01:45:08.026 --> 01:45:09.827
and so there was
dead fish everywhere,

2171
01:45:10.029 --> 01:45:11.761
which meant there was
stray cats everywhere.

2172
01:45:11.930 --> 01:45:14.337
So there was
fucking cats everywhere.

2173
01:45:14.539 --> 01:45:16.566
[dog handler]
Santana, over here.
[cat yowls]

2174
01:45:16.734 --> 01:45:18.410
Santana, over here. Hey.

2175
01:45:18.579 --> 01:45:21.641
[Lee] In trying to get the dogs
to focus and not kill the cats,

2176
01:45:21.809 --> 01:45:24.840
we built a cat hotel
on the side of the set.

2177
01:45:25.043 --> 01:45:27.079
I mean, it was
just like pure mayhem.

2178
01:45:27.181 --> 01:45:29.114
Fuck!

2179
01:45:29.549 --> 01:45:33.688
When we wrap, everyone
always has the same emotion,
which is "Never again."

2180
01:45:33.757 --> 01:45:36.389
Like, "Fuck this. Never again."
Especially Keanu.

2181
01:45:36.592 --> 01:45:39.593
At the end of every<i> John Wick,</i>
we're like, "There's just
never gonna be another one,"

2182
01:45:39.762 --> 01:45:41.857
because we are so dead
and we hate each other,

2183
01:45:42.059 --> 01:45:43.831
and Keanu
is literally half dead.

2184
01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:45.964
Halfway through, Keanu's like,
"At the end of this movie..."

2185
01:45:46.133 --> 01:45:49.041
I'm not exaggerating. He goes,
"I want to be beheaded.

2186
01:45:49.243 --> 01:45:51.474
I want to see the guy
holding up my head."

2187
01:45:51.643 --> 01:45:54.840
And I'm just like,
"One, no, and two, nice try,

2188
01:45:55.009 --> 01:45:56.343
'cause you will never be able
to come back again."

2189
01:45:56.545 --> 01:45:59.316
After<i> 3,</i> we were like, "Okay.

2190
01:45:59.485 --> 01:46:01.051
That's it. That's enough."
That's good.

2191
01:46:01.253 --> 01:46:02.517
"We've done it. We're good."

2192
01:46:02.685 --> 01:46:04.552
And it just kept eating at me,
eating at me.

2193
01:46:04.755 --> 01:46:06.723
Like, we didn't get to do
our Japanese portion.

2194
01:46:06.925 --> 01:46:09.354
We didn't get to do
our samurai version.
There was so much left.

2195
01:46:09.523 --> 01:46:13.791
I remember sitting with you
going, "Okay, I got
a pretty good why this time."

2196
01:46:13.960 --> 01:46:15.524
You just felt like
there was more to do.

2197
01:46:15.693 --> 01:46:16.963
Yeah.
[laughs]

2198
01:46:21.675 --> 01:46:24.206
Do you think you're ready to do
the forward 180 one-handed?

2199
01:46:24.375 --> 01:46:26.643
Yes.
And with your right hand?

2200
01:46:28.379 --> 01:46:29.643
Let's try it.
Let's try it.

2201
01:46:29.811 --> 01:46:31.381
Do you want the gun now
or on the next one?

2202
01:46:31.550 --> 01:46:33.081
Let's do it on the next one.
Okay, I got it.

2203
01:46:33.283 --> 01:46:35.388
[upbeat music playing]

2204
01:46:41.829 --> 01:46:44.194
[Stahelski] We were told that
there was too much action
in<i> John Wick 3,</i>

2205
01:46:44.363 --> 01:46:45.924
-so we had to cut it down.
-No.

2206
01:46:46.126 --> 01:46:49.058
[Stahelski] Boy, did we
show them in number four, huh?

2207
01:46:49.227 --> 01:46:51.228
[upbeat music continues]
[car engine revving]

2208
01:46:57.677 --> 01:47:00.045
[Lee] What was hard about<i> 4</i>
was we weren't in New York,

2209
01:47:00.214 --> 01:47:02.308
so the DNA of the movie
had changed.

2210
01:47:02.543 --> 01:47:05.781
So all of a sudden,
we were making kinda like
the international<i> Wick</i> version,

2211
01:47:05.916 --> 01:47:08.611
which was like
a little bit hard for us
to get our sea legs.

2212
01:47:08.813 --> 01:47:10.379
And we had Donnie Yen...

2213
01:47:12.988 --> 01:47:16.121
which, amazing, but also
another movie star on set.

2214
01:47:18.028 --> 01:47:20.865
And we started sort of behind.
We were spending
a lot of money.

2215
01:47:21.034 --> 01:47:25.200
[Iwanyk] It was coming off
the pandemic, all of the masks
and all that bullshit.

2216
01:47:25.369 --> 01:47:26.802
And it was a gigantic movie.

2217
01:47:29.836 --> 01:47:31.543
And it was also
almost 100 days.

2218
01:47:31.712 --> 01:47:33.238
You know, when you think
about the first movie,
it was like 40.

2219
01:47:33.407 --> 01:47:34.808
Oh, my hips.

2220
01:47:35.010 --> 01:47:37.214
[Iwanyk] You could push someone
well past the limit

2221
01:47:37.383 --> 01:47:38.745
when you're
shooting 40 or 50 days.

2222
01:47:38.914 --> 01:47:41.317
When you're on day 92,
you got to be careful.

2223
01:47:41.486 --> 01:47:42.747
[crew member] Cut!
Goddamn it.

2224
01:47:43.149 --> 01:47:46.152
Why can't I fucking do
that fucking throw?

2225
01:47:46.220 --> 01:47:48.118
[Schultz]
They never got easier,
and even as<i> John Wick 4,</i>

2226
01:47:48.287 --> 01:47:50.121
you know, now we got
a hundred plus million dollars,

2227
01:47:50.290 --> 01:47:53.063
because now we're-- we're
trying to make $120 million

2228
01:47:53.231 --> 01:47:54.390
look like $200 million.

2229
01:47:57.900 --> 01:47:59.767
[Lee] We also didn't have
our, like, core,

2230
01:47:59.936 --> 01:48:02.335
that crew that we had
for the three other movies,

2231
01:48:02.537 --> 01:48:03.834
and it felt different.

2232
01:48:04.204 --> 01:48:05.341
All of a sudden,
we're like based in Berlin.

2233
01:48:05.410 --> 01:48:07.072
We had a lot of
different teams.

2234
01:48:07.241 --> 01:48:11.740
And so, it was just like
getting into a rhythm was hard.

2235
01:48:11.909 --> 01:48:13.317
Is that another car?

2236
01:48:13.486 --> 01:48:15.611
No. It would be...
So, he would hit--

2237
01:48:15.780 --> 01:48:18.687
He hits the car,
doesn't know he hits the car,
then he gets floored?

2238
01:48:18.890 --> 01:48:22.360
Yeah. And behind that car,
Bruce comes out of the abyss.

2239
01:48:22.562 --> 01:48:24.926
Chad said, "I need you
to come do<i> Wick 4."</i>

2240
01:48:25.094 --> 01:48:28.494
I was like, "Awesome. We're
gonna have the team together."

2241
01:48:28.662 --> 01:48:32.797
Nope. No Jackson because he's
becoming a fight coordinator,
stunt coordinator.

2242
01:48:32.966 --> 01:48:35.002
JoJo's working
on his own shows.

2243
01:48:37.242 --> 01:48:42.176
So, I was under the microscope
of Chad with no older brothers
to watch my back.

2244
01:48:42.345 --> 01:48:44.010
[Marinas] Nice.

2245
01:48:44.245 --> 01:48:47.819
Chad just was like, "You're up.
Don't fuck up." [laughs]

2246
01:48:47.955 --> 01:48:50.981
Instead of blocking,
you shoot. And I shoot.
And he's like, I shoot.

2247
01:48:51.150 --> 01:48:53.623
It sounds very...
It looks very childish.

2248
01:48:53.792 --> 01:48:56.562
Donnie was a whole
nother entity to deal with.

2249
01:48:58.398 --> 01:49:00.192
Being the perfectionist
that he is,

2250
01:49:00.627 --> 01:49:04.134
he takes regular
fight choreography and puts
his Donnie factor on it,

2251
01:49:04.202 --> 01:49:07.238
and he throws
a bunch of curveballs that
we just had to be ready for.

2252
01:49:07.440 --> 01:49:09.837
This is...
There's no technique.

2253
01:49:10.006 --> 01:49:12.470
We got to put some Filipino,
like, a Kali in there.

2254
01:49:12.639 --> 01:49:15.712
Pop, pop, pop, pop.
You know, the pop...
You know, use that technique.

2255
01:49:15.881 --> 01:49:20.014
So, the pressure was high,
but he just wanted the best.

2256
01:49:25.493 --> 01:49:27.183
[crew member] Cut!
That's fucking awesome.

2257
01:49:27.352 --> 01:49:29.488
[Marinas] And that's
how I would equate Chad.

2258
01:49:29.657 --> 01:49:31.521
Chad wants the best.

2259
01:49:31.690 --> 01:49:34.523
In Chad's words,
"Don't do your best.
Do my best." [chuckles]

2260
01:49:37.497 --> 01:49:40.870
I'll tell you one thing,
because Chad
changes things so much.

2261
01:49:41.039 --> 01:49:45.575
The nunchuck fight
is almost shot for shot
the previs. [laughs]

2262
01:49:45.744 --> 01:49:47.075
So, there's one thing
I'm proud about.

2263
01:49:47.244 --> 01:49:49.076
[grunting]

2264
01:49:52.914 --> 01:49:54.685
[crew member]
Good, cut. Cut.

2265
01:49:55.088 --> 01:49:57.089
[Marinas]
Keanu was extra stressed out
during the nunchuck fight

2266
01:49:57.191 --> 01:50:00.618
because the first thing
you think about when you see
nunchucks is Bruce Lee.

2267
01:50:00.687 --> 01:50:03.687
[Stahelski] Nunchucks
are always one of those things
that sounds great

2268
01:50:03.856 --> 01:50:07.389
until you realize
how much work has to go
into them, as we found out.

2269
01:50:07.558 --> 01:50:09.931
And back in his day,
they didn't make all soft...

2270
01:50:10.100 --> 01:50:11.634
[Stahelski]
Didn't have the soft side.
...rubbery.

2271
01:50:11.836 --> 01:50:13.905
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's all wood.
No. Wood.

2272
01:50:14.074 --> 01:50:17.633
When Tiger and I were
trying them, they were...
there was a penalty.

2273
01:50:17.836 --> 01:50:19.010
Consequences.

2274
01:50:19.079 --> 01:50:20.376
So many times.

2275
01:50:20.879 --> 01:50:22.714
There was
a lot of penalties
on<i> John Wick 4.</i>

2276
01:50:22.782 --> 01:50:25.080
I'd pick up the real pair
and go like, "Oh, no."

2277
01:50:25.248 --> 01:50:27.049
No, no.

2278
01:50:27.218 --> 01:50:29.716
Literally, anybody
that picked up the real pair,
ten seconds later,

2279
01:50:29.885 --> 01:50:31.756
yeah, put them back down
going, "Fuck."

2280
01:50:32.787 --> 01:50:34.056
[crew member] And action!

2281
01:50:34.225 --> 01:50:35.892
[grunting]

2282
01:50:45.304 --> 01:50:47.833
[Schultz] Probably
we should have bee able to
shoot that fight in half a day.

2283
01:50:48.036 --> 01:50:49.775
[Reeves]
Wrong fucking hand, Reeves.

2284
01:50:49.943 --> 01:50:52.506
But Keanu had
a horrible ear infection.
Could not hear anything.

2285
01:50:52.708 --> 01:50:54.472
I know he had to feel awful.

2286
01:50:54.641 --> 01:50:55.940
Goddamn it.

2287
01:50:56.109 --> 01:50:57.416
[Schultz]
It took us, I think,

2288
01:50:57.585 --> 01:50:59.007
at least a whole day,
maybe a day and a half.

2289
01:50:59.209 --> 01:51:02.110
But, you know, he never quit.

2290
01:51:02.279 --> 01:51:04.251
Why do I keep doing that,
man?

2291
01:51:04.620 --> 01:51:08.351
Keanu, throughout
the whole movie of<i> Wick 4,</i>
he kind of had the flu.

2292
01:51:08.420 --> 01:51:12.156
And the work ethic
to work through it was intense

2293
01:51:12.324 --> 01:51:14.432
because we had
already started shooting.

2294
01:51:14.534 --> 01:51:15.895
He was doing
a couple other fights.

2295
01:51:16.231 --> 01:51:18.698
But on his off time,
when he wasn't on camera,

2296
01:51:18.767 --> 01:51:20.130
he was training nunchucks.

2297
01:51:20.433 --> 01:51:22.203
We would say, "You're sick.
Take a day off."

2298
01:51:22.338 --> 01:51:25.136
He's like, "No days off.
I shoot nunchucks
in a couple days."

2299
01:51:25.304 --> 01:51:27.839
Does he have a wall?
We've never found it.

2300
01:51:28.008 --> 01:51:29.847
[crew member]
Ready and action!

2301
01:51:33.583 --> 01:51:35.884
[Stahelski] A lot of
the<i> Wicks</i> are like love letters
to things that we love.

2302
01:51:36.086 --> 01:51:37.916
Like the low-budget
action movies
we grew up loving.

2303
01:51:38.119 --> 01:51:40.518
So we had Mark Dacascos
in<i> John Wick 3.</i>

2304
01:51:40.687 --> 01:51:43.385
I mean, we had Gary Daniels
in number two,
Daniel Bernhardt,

2305
01:51:43.587 --> 01:51:46.124
you know, Yayan and Cecep
from<i> The Raid.</i>

2306
01:51:46.292 --> 01:51:48.128
I mean, look who we got
on number four.

2307
01:51:48.297 --> 01:51:49.898
That was one of the things.
We don't know the script,

2308
01:51:50.100 --> 01:51:52.303
but I know Scott Adkins
is going to be in a fat suit.

2309
01:51:52.506 --> 01:51:54.403
Chad, I want to be
in<i> John Wick 4.</i>

2310
01:51:54.605 --> 01:51:56.003
Yeah.
That phone call--

2311
01:51:56.172 --> 01:51:57.967
Thanks for this opportunity.
I really appreciate it.

2312
01:51:58.136 --> 01:51:59.478
I remember that phone call--

2313
01:51:59.680 --> 01:52:01.478
But I don't wanna do
another movie with you.

2314
01:52:01.614 --> 01:52:04.475
I've had enough,
to be quite frank.

2315
01:52:04.643 --> 01:52:06.883
Nothing's better for me when
I get to call up Marko Zaror,

2316
01:52:07.052 --> 01:52:09.550
who I didn't know before
we worked together, saying,

2317
01:52:09.719 --> 01:52:12.188
"Hey, man, I really love
all your films." He's like,
"You're kidding, right?"

2318
01:52:12.357 --> 01:52:14.654
I was like, "No, really.
We watch them all the time.
They're awesome."

2319
01:52:14.822 --> 01:52:16.386
I killed Mark Dacascos.

2320
01:52:16.622 --> 01:52:18.556
I killed Scott Adkins. Now
I'm going to kill Marko Zaror.

2321
01:52:18.692 --> 01:52:20.091
[chuckles]

2322
01:52:20.393 --> 01:52:22.627
Who's left, man?
Cynthia Rothrock?
[chuckles]

2323
01:52:22.696 --> 01:52:25.997
[Stahelski] Shamier,
when you come in,
give it a one one-thousand,

2324
01:52:26.166 --> 01:52:27.865
then he can
build in his look.
Cool.

2325
01:52:28.034 --> 01:52:29.538
Beat, one one-thousand, go.

2326
01:52:29.707 --> 01:52:30.871
That's your first one.
Cool.

2327
01:52:31.040 --> 01:52:33.373
Should I wait to see him
before I dodge?

2328
01:52:33.542 --> 01:52:36.539
I think you could do it
at the same time.
Shamier counts to 1,000.

2329
01:52:36.708 --> 01:52:38.542
If you go to peek
as soon as you hit...
[Reeves] Okay.

2330
01:52:38.710 --> 01:52:40.418
...you'll run into him
and that can be the,
"Oh, shit."

2331
01:52:40.587 --> 01:52:42.614
[Reeves] Okay.
Someone say action.

2332
01:52:42.816 --> 01:52:44.787
Ready, and action.

2333
01:52:44.989 --> 01:52:47.190
[Anderson imitates gunfire]
Boom. Go back. Boom.

2334
01:52:47.359 --> 01:52:48.255
[Anderson] Bang.

2335
01:52:48.424 --> 01:52:49.459
Bang.

2336
01:52:49.662 --> 01:52:53.293
Bang. Drop gun.
Draw. Bang, bang.

2337
01:52:56.360 --> 01:52:59.137
[Stahelski]
Nice. Action hero.

2338
01:52:59.339 --> 01:53:01.367
[upbeat music playing]

2339
01:53:08.741 --> 01:53:11.608
We came up with
this idea for top shot
and what you see here...

2340
01:53:11.777 --> 01:53:13.908
Why do you keep saying "we"?
Well, I mean the crew.
Everybody.

2341
01:53:14.077 --> 01:53:16.084
'Cause like, okay,
I came up with the idea,
this is my thought...

2342
01:53:16.253 --> 01:53:18.119
What do you mean?
This is like
one of the first things,

2343
01:53:18.288 --> 01:53:21.491
this was one of the ideas,
the concepts that followed us,

2344
01:53:21.694 --> 01:53:23.318
the duel, the top shot...
Exactly.

2345
01:53:23.520 --> 01:53:26.227
More horses,
that was on the plate.

2346
01:53:26.396 --> 01:53:28.928
So, we came up
with all this stuff.
Why? Where's the "we"?

2347
01:53:29.097 --> 01:53:30.497
Well... [chuckles]
...can you lie?

2348
01:53:30.700 --> 01:53:32.495
You! You!
No. No.

2349
01:53:32.698 --> 01:53:34.797
-You!
-They don't see it
'cause top shots--

2350
01:53:34.999 --> 01:53:38.002
No. There was no we who said,
"I see a top shot
in<i> John Wick 4."</i>

2351
01:53:38.071 --> 01:53:39.942
We wanted to do a top shot--

2352
01:53:40.445 --> 01:53:42.210
It was like, "I'm Chad
and, yeah, that's what
I see in my head."

2353
01:53:42.279 --> 01:53:44.475
All right,
so kooky director guy
comes up with this idea.

2354
01:53:44.644 --> 01:53:47.246
Thank you.
And I used to play
with Etch A Sketch as a kid.

2355
01:53:47.415 --> 01:53:49.815
So, I'm like seeing things
in Etch A Sketch world.

2356
01:53:49.983 --> 01:53:54.357
And one of the things
I've always hated about action
movies is editing to hide,

2357
01:53:54.526 --> 01:53:55.923
camerawork to hide.

2358
01:53:56.292 --> 01:53:57.993
Because most times,
you don't have Keanu Reeves,

2359
01:53:58.062 --> 01:53:59.488
you don't have
six months of rehearsals,

2360
01:53:59.824 --> 01:54:01.426
you don't have the best
stunt teams in the world.

2361
01:54:01.628 --> 01:54:03.564
So, you're hiding wires,
you're hiding green screen,

2362
01:54:03.633 --> 01:54:05.464
you're hiding stunt doubles,
you're hiding,
hiding, hiding, hiding.

2363
01:54:05.566 --> 01:54:09.266
So what would happen if you
didn't have to hide anything?

2364
01:54:09.435 --> 01:54:11.472
We wanted to say,
"Hey, watch this, guys.

2365
01:54:11.674 --> 01:54:14.141
We're gonna see
Keanu Reeves do all this,
come up to a top shot

2366
01:54:14.276 --> 01:54:16.014
and then show all the bad guys
behind the wall,"

2367
01:54:16.182 --> 01:54:19.112
so the audience
is in on the gags,
even before our lead actor is,

2368
01:54:19.280 --> 01:54:20.979
because they can see
the bad guys coming in.

2369
01:54:21.081 --> 01:54:22.344
Kind of like Etch A Sketch.

2370
01:54:22.680 --> 01:54:24.484
But I don't think
there's been a time

2371
01:54:24.586 --> 01:54:27.156
where we haven't had pushback,
because people don't see it.

2372
01:54:27.325 --> 01:54:31.221
So, without maybe
telling anybody,
we started to build the set.

2373
01:54:31.423 --> 01:54:33.191
So we're already
spending the money.

2374
01:54:33.360 --> 01:54:35.734
So by the time the
actual "no" came back,

2375
01:54:35.936 --> 01:54:37.901
we had kind of already built
three-quarters of the set.

2376
01:54:38.104 --> 01:54:42.970
So, the rationale was, "Well,
we might as well shoot it,

2377
01:54:43.139 --> 01:54:44.699
but you guys got to
do it in two days."

2378
01:54:44.935 --> 01:54:47.206
You don't take dictation
from the studio by any stretch,

2379
01:54:47.342 --> 01:54:49.209
but you try to figure out
a middle ground.

2380
01:54:49.378 --> 01:54:51.710
As someone who has to live
between the creative

2381
01:54:51.879 --> 01:54:55.816
and the financial and,
you know, the studio
and Chad, it's hard.

2382
01:54:55.985 --> 01:55:01.216
I mean, he never accepts no
as the answer. And beauty
and magic come out of that.

2383
01:55:01.385 --> 01:55:04.222
But man, you go fully gray.

2384
01:55:04.391 --> 01:55:06.725
[electronic music playing]
[gunfire]

2385
01:55:06.894 --> 01:55:09.433
[Stahelski]
I think that the proof's
kind of in the pudding, right?

2386
01:55:09.635 --> 01:55:10.933
Number one is pretty good.

2387
01:55:11.135 --> 01:55:12.936
Hopefully number two is better,
three is better,

2388
01:55:13.138 --> 01:55:15.436
<i> 4</i> is... I'm most proud of,
because I think

2389
01:55:15.639 --> 01:55:19.843
it's the most anime
with framing, composition,
depth of field.

2390
01:55:20.012 --> 01:55:22.046
[Harris] Chad has
always been very cognizant

2391
01:55:22.248 --> 01:55:26.043
that<i> John Wick</i> is a franchise
that's dripping with tone.

2392
01:55:26.212 --> 01:55:32.554
And it's that Sergio Leone,
like, take your time,
move through the scene,

2393
01:55:32.723 --> 01:55:34.255
be with the character.

2394
01:55:34.424 --> 01:55:38.389
Chad was very much into not
cutting into a lot of details.

2395
01:55:38.557 --> 01:55:40.732
He wants to play it
as wide as possible,

2396
01:55:40.901 --> 01:55:43.131
have dolly shots
and crane shots and Steadicam.

2397
01:55:43.333 --> 01:55:45.868
So we would try to move
the camera as much as we can

2398
01:55:46.037 --> 01:55:49.940
to make it more epic,
more classic.

2399
01:55:50.109 --> 01:55:52.203
[Harris] And so, even in
the earliest discussions,

2400
01:55:52.372 --> 01:55:53.745
we always make sure
that, like,

2401
01:55:54.014 --> 01:55:56.445
does this feel important
and does it feel special?

2402
01:55:56.548 --> 01:56:01.151
Does it feel like
we're presenting
an image worth resting on?

2403
01:56:02.555 --> 01:56:05.156
[crew chattering]

2404
01:56:05.358 --> 01:56:06.454
Pretty cool.

2405
01:56:06.623 --> 01:56:07.916
SacrÃ©-Coeur.

2406
01:56:08.760 --> 01:56:10.655
John Wick's final scene.

2407
01:56:13.031 --> 01:56:14.495
[cameraperson]
This is where it happens?

2408
01:56:14.697 --> 01:56:15.597
The duel.

2409
01:56:15.766 --> 01:56:17.398
Should be pretty cool.

2410
01:56:17.567 --> 01:56:19.099
If we can only figure out how
to light it and how to shoot it

2411
01:56:19.268 --> 01:56:21.172
and how to perform it
and how to edit it

2412
01:56:21.375 --> 01:56:24.339
and how to put score to it,
make it look really cool,
we'd be set.

2413
01:56:26.739 --> 01:56:30.807
Especially because we start
shooting in... 34 minutes.

2414
01:56:31.748 --> 01:56:33.451
And so we begin.

2415
01:56:33.619 --> 01:56:35.284
[Western music playing]

2416
01:56:41.852 --> 01:56:44.589
[Reeves] After<i> Chapter 3,</i>
it was like, why?

2417
01:56:44.758 --> 01:56:48.458
And I was saying, like,
"The why is he has to die."

2418
01:56:48.627 --> 01:56:50.131
And I think as soon
as I said that,

2419
01:56:50.400 --> 01:56:52.662
you-- you were like--
No, it's like, "I'm in."

2420
01:56:52.764 --> 01:56:54.498
Once you say that,
that's the period, right?

2421
01:56:54.667 --> 01:56:56.270
And then
you got to figure out how.
Yeah. How?

2422
01:56:56.439 --> 01:56:58.604
If he's got to die, like,
we got to make this count.

2423
01:57:00.276 --> 01:57:02.514
And I think that was
the hardest part, right?

2424
01:57:02.683 --> 01:57:06.178
Because we knew, one of the
first things we wanted to do,
like, we wanted to do a duel.

2425
01:57:06.347 --> 01:57:08.517
[Harbinger]
Positions, gentlemen.

2426
01:57:08.786 --> 01:57:11.222
[Stahelski] Then, you're like,
"Okay, but it's got to
mean something, like..."

2427
01:57:11.324 --> 01:57:13.684
[Reeves] Yeah.
[Stahelski] My duel was like,
"Well, he'll win."

2428
01:57:13.853 --> 01:57:16.224
And you're like,
"Whoa, whoa, whoa.
He's got to lose.

2429
01:57:16.426 --> 01:57:18.456
[chuckles]
But he wins
and he gets what he wants."

2430
01:57:18.625 --> 01:57:20.225
So, how do we get him out
of this whole life?

2431
01:57:20.427 --> 01:57:22.663
How do we
get out of everything?
Mmm.

2432
01:57:22.832 --> 01:57:27.530
And that's when we set up
the whole Donnie's
character's backstory

2433
01:57:27.699 --> 01:57:28.904
of saving a daughter.
[Reeves] Yeah.

2434
01:57:29.107 --> 01:57:30.641
[Stahelski]
And Hiroyuki's character

2435
01:57:30.809 --> 01:57:32.506
of the daughter survives him.

2436
01:57:32.675 --> 01:57:35.374
So you lose a friend
and a friend has to
fight you in the duel.

2437
01:57:35.543 --> 01:57:37.407
Because originally we had
Marquis duels you--

2438
01:57:37.609 --> 01:57:39.480
Right, yeah.
It took a little while.

2439
01:57:39.649 --> 01:57:42.615
It was like a clock trying to
figure out the right mechanism.

2440
01:57:42.817 --> 01:57:45.552
How do we tell
<i> John Wick</i> time? [chuckles]
Yeah, exactly.

2441
01:57:48.988 --> 01:57:51.692
[Lee] Chad always talks
about how he loves
the idea of frenemies.

2442
01:57:51.894 --> 01:57:53.897
It's in all of the movies,
but especially
in<i> John Wick 4,</i> right?

2443
01:57:54.066 --> 01:57:55.724
Like the Caine and Wick
relationship

2444
01:57:55.893 --> 01:57:58.331
and the idea that you can
love your brother,

2445
01:57:58.499 --> 01:57:59.734
but then also want
to kill your brother.

2446
01:57:59.903 --> 01:58:01.337
I missed you, John.

2447
01:58:03.801 --> 01:58:05.902
It's so good to
sit with a friend.

2448
01:58:07.379 --> 01:58:10.278
I love the Japanese concept
of secrets and hidden whispers,

2449
01:58:10.481 --> 01:58:12.910
meaning only a warrior knows
a warrior, only a soldier...

2450
01:58:13.079 --> 01:58:16.120
Like you have to be
in the trenches with someone
to really know them.

2451
01:58:16.322 --> 01:58:18.455
And just, I mean, that shot
alone, two guys sitting there

2452
01:58:18.658 --> 01:58:20.888
both knowing they have to
face each other the next day,
I thought that was--

2453
01:58:21.057 --> 01:58:23.260
In a church.
In a church.

2454
01:58:24.487 --> 01:58:25.922
We're damned...

2455
01:58:27.863 --> 01:58:29.233
you and I.

2456
01:58:30.702 --> 01:58:32.397
On that we agree.

2457
01:58:32.599 --> 01:58:34.103
What we've all tried to do
in<i> John Wick</i>

2458
01:58:34.271 --> 01:58:36.702
is link John Wick
to everybody in the movie,

2459
01:58:36.871 --> 01:58:39.203
so he's always got
a relationship,
so no one's a throwaway.

2460
01:58:39.371 --> 01:58:43.246
And I think that's why
John's so beloved,
even though he's an assassin.

2461
01:58:43.415 --> 01:58:45.579
I mean, even the tracker
who's literally just met him.

2462
01:58:45.748 --> 01:58:48.787
Because we don't have
the stereotypes
of good guy, bad guy,

2463
01:58:48.956 --> 01:58:51.651
we can fuck with
relationships like that.

2464
01:58:51.853 --> 01:58:55.056
Like Donnie and him
were probably best friends
at a point.

2465
01:58:55.225 --> 01:58:57.888
See you in the next life,
brother.

2466
01:58:58.057 --> 01:59:00.731
Like, Hiroyuki's a best friend,
but John puts him in danger,

2467
01:59:00.900 --> 01:59:02.329
and Hiroyuki stands up for him.

2468
01:59:02.598 --> 01:59:05.460
Friendship means little
when it's convenient.

2469
01:59:05.562 --> 01:59:08.833
To play with friendship
and bonding and loyalty
like that is a real luxury.

2470
01:59:09.035 --> 01:59:10.406
Fire!

2471
01:59:15.616 --> 01:59:18.977
[Reeves] You started
<i> John Wick 1</i> with John Wick
falling to his side.

2472
01:59:19.146 --> 01:59:20.344
[Stahelski] Yep.

2473
01:59:20.547 --> 01:59:21.846
[Reeves]
And then, there he is.

2474
01:59:24.415 --> 01:59:25.817
He gets his grace.

2475
01:59:31.758 --> 01:59:33.328
We're doing
this little focal thing.
Mm-hmm.

2476
01:59:33.497 --> 01:59:35.190
So I'll have you guys
look at the gravestone.

2477
01:59:35.392 --> 01:59:37.834
When I say "Laurence,"
they'll rack over
to you. You turn--

2478
01:59:38.003 --> 01:59:38.930
And then make my turn.
Exactly.

2479
01:59:39.099 --> 01:59:41.435
Very good.

2480
01:59:41.604 --> 01:59:43.534
[cameraperson] Is this
the last-- not last shot.

2481
01:59:43.736 --> 01:59:46.472
You're making the last shot
in the movie.

2482
01:59:46.641 --> 01:59:48.942
I think. Although,
I could change my mind.

2483
01:59:49.077 --> 01:59:50.175
Probably tomorrow.

2484
01:59:50.578 --> 01:59:52.907
Or now.
I've just changed my mind.

2485
01:59:52.976 --> 01:59:54.846
[cameraperson]
So it's not the last one?

2486
01:59:56.085 --> 01:59:57.453
Why? Who wants to know?

2487
01:59:59.024 --> 02:00:01.118
How much
does one more cost?

2488
02:00:01.287 --> 02:00:03.285
[chuckles softly]

2489
02:00:03.487 --> 02:00:05.993
We're still talking
about John Wick
and<i> John Wick</i> universe a lot.

2490
02:00:06.195 --> 02:00:08.725
But whether or not there's
a specifically<i> John Wick 5,</i>
I don't know.

2491
02:00:08.927 --> 02:00:11.566
Where do you think he is,
heaven or hell?

2492
02:00:14.200 --> 02:00:15.633
Who knows?

2493
02:00:15.969 --> 02:00:18.405
[Lee] I think the movies
are so, you know, hyperreal.

2494
02:00:18.474 --> 02:00:20.374
And we've proven that,
you know,

2495
02:00:20.543 --> 02:00:23.343
people can survive
all sorts of crazy things.

2496
02:00:23.512 --> 02:00:25.248
So, it's whatever
we want it to be.

2497
02:00:25.450 --> 02:00:27.446
We still have
ideas left...
I know. We still have--

2498
02:00:27.515 --> 02:00:29.385
...that we
haven't done, man!

2499
02:00:29.888 --> 02:00:34.121
[Iwanyk] It is a bit surreal
that after a decade
of nonstop<i> John Wick,</i>

2500
02:00:34.190 --> 02:00:36.885
that we'll have a break
and that Chad's going off
and do another movie.

2501
02:00:37.054 --> 02:00:38.856
I'm hoping, selfishly,
he's gonna go,

2502
02:00:39.025 --> 02:00:41.191
"This is what it's like
to direct a regular movie.

2503
02:00:41.527 --> 02:00:43.891
I want to go back
to<i> John Wick,</i> where I could
do whatever the hell I want

2504
02:00:43.960 --> 02:00:45.330
and Keanu will do
anything I ask."

2505
02:00:45.498 --> 02:00:47.061
Creatively,
like, even if--

2506
02:00:47.230 --> 02:00:49.207
I mean, if you and I
just spend, like,
seven minutes

2507
02:00:49.376 --> 02:00:52.140
and we could figure out,
like, what haven't we done,

2508
02:00:52.342 --> 02:00:54.410
and we could come up
with ideas for<i> 5</i>

2509
02:00:54.579 --> 02:00:57.272
and it would be like...
You know, it wouldn't suck.

2510
02:00:57.474 --> 02:00:59.448
<i>Wick</i> is pain.
It'd just be a different pain
on a different day.

2511
02:00:59.650 --> 02:01:01.883
Yeah. But maybe
we can find
another story to tell

2512
02:01:02.052 --> 02:01:03.281
and cook another meal.

2513
02:01:03.483 --> 02:01:06.258
[crowd clamoring, cheering]

2514
02:01:09.320 --> 02:01:12.925
[Stahelski] I can't wait to see
what happens next in action.

2515
02:01:13.094 --> 02:01:16.464
It's like fashion. It changes.
There's generations.
It evolves.

2516
02:01:16.666 --> 02:01:18.895
To be part of that movement
is really exciting.

2517
02:01:19.064 --> 02:01:21.165
People always send me clips
of different movies.

2518
02:01:21.434 --> 02:01:23.904
"Hey, look, they're copying
<i>John Wick"</i> or
"They're trying to do gun fu."

2519
02:01:24.006 --> 02:01:25.374
I dig that.

2520
02:01:25.543 --> 02:01:26.634
You know, when you read
a script and it just says,

2521
02:01:26.836 --> 02:01:27.876
<i>"John Wick</i> action happens."

2522
02:01:28.045 --> 02:01:29.277
I kinda... You smile.

2523
02:01:29.446 --> 02:01:31.372
You're like,
okay, that's pretty...

2524
02:01:31.574 --> 02:01:33.275
I kind of play it off.
But I'm pretty like,
"That's pretty cool."

2525
02:01:33.410 --> 02:01:36.818
That's inspiring because being
competitive is what drives us.

2526
02:01:37.021 --> 02:01:40.951
And that's being competitive
with what's been done,
including ourselves.

2527
02:01:41.120 --> 02:01:45.155
I don't have any competition
with Chad in my head.

2528
02:01:45.357 --> 02:01:47.560
[chuckles]

2529
02:01:47.728 --> 02:01:49.131
I don't think
I have any competition.

2530
02:01:49.300 --> 02:01:51.565
I mean,
he does his own thing.

2531
02:01:51.734 --> 02:01:53.499
He's doing...
Well, he's in his own world.

2532
02:01:53.701 --> 02:01:55.272
He does<i> Wick.</i>
Like, he loves<i> Wick.</i>

2533
02:01:55.508 --> 02:01:58.401
<i>Wick</i> is fucking Chad.
Chad and Keanu, they're<i> Wick.</i>

2534
02:01:58.570 --> 02:02:01.640
They bleed<i> Wick.</i>
They die<i> Wick.</i> They're like
<i> Wick,</i> you know?

2535
02:02:01.809 --> 02:02:04.639
And that's why it's so good,
you know?

2536
02:02:04.841 --> 02:02:06.241
'Cause<i> Wick</i> is pain.

2537
02:02:07.119 --> 02:02:09.319
Um...
Maybe<i> Wick is pain.</i>

2538
02:02:09.388 --> 02:02:11.345
Maybe it's a great name
for the documentary.

2539
02:02:11.748 --> 02:02:15.490
I think if there's one thing
that the<i> Wick</i> process
has taught me,

2540
02:02:15.558 --> 02:02:17.294
just from watching
Keanu and everything,

2541
02:02:17.730 --> 02:02:20.388
is pain's not necessarily
a bad thing,
you know what I mean?

2542
02:02:20.457 --> 02:02:24.762
Pain's just the end result,
often, of just brave choices

2543
02:02:24.931 --> 02:02:26.832
or putting yourself out there
or trying to win.

2544
02:02:27.001 --> 02:02:29.864
Yeah, we all have to suffer.
We all have to train hard.

2545
02:02:30.066 --> 02:02:33.373
But to me, no, honestly,
I love that.

2546
02:02:33.575 --> 02:02:35.037
That's what I do
every day anyway.

2547
02:02:35.240 --> 02:02:37.379
You have to suffer a little bit
to be better, you know?

2548
02:02:37.581 --> 02:02:40.880
I mean, our bodies suffer.
Our minds suffer.

2549
02:02:41.645 --> 02:02:42.479
And I love that.

2550
02:02:42.648 --> 02:02:44.455
We want to make it the best.

2551
02:02:44.791 --> 02:02:47.884
And in order to make it
the best, you got to do
whatever it takes.

2552
02:02:47.952 --> 02:02:50.692
And sometimes it hurts.
It hurts.

2553
02:02:50.860 --> 02:02:53.724
And it hurts you,
and it hurts
the people around you,

2554
02:02:53.926 --> 02:02:55.729
maybe the people
that are close to you.

2555
02:02:56.031 --> 02:02:58.202
But<i> Wick</i> isn't pain.
I mean,<i> Wick's</i> a blessing.

2556
02:02:58.270 --> 02:03:00.330
I mean,
it's like movie magic.

2557
02:03:00.499 --> 02:03:05.840
It's, you know...
We all hit a creative
and financial jackpot.

2558
02:03:06.009 --> 02:03:10.006
And, you know, there
isn't a day that goes by
where I'm not like,

2559
02:03:10.209 --> 02:03:12.575
"Thank fucking god
<i> Wick's</i> a part of my life."

2560
02:03:12.777 --> 02:03:15.844
Is the pain worth it? Yeah.

2561
02:03:16.013 --> 02:03:17.752
It's just a lot of pain.
[chuckles]

2562
02:03:21.126 --> 02:03:22.626
[Reeves]<i> Congratulations.</i>

2563
02:03:22.828 --> 02:03:23.726
<i> Awesome.</i>

2564
02:03:23.895 --> 02:03:26.527
[applause]

2565
02:03:26.596 --> 02:03:28.498
[crew member] Good job.
Thank you, guys.

2566
02:03:28.967 --> 02:03:31.460
[Reeves] It's like one of
the greatest gifts
I've had in my life.

2567
02:03:31.529 --> 02:03:33.362
[chuckling]

2568
02:03:33.531 --> 02:03:34.697
Well done.

2569
02:03:35.066 --> 02:03:38.102
I had a<i> John Wick</i> decade,
my 50s.

2570
02:03:38.778 --> 02:03:40.310
Fuck yeah.

2571
02:03:40.679 --> 02:03:44.076
I don't know if I could have
another decade like that.

2572
02:03:44.145 --> 02:03:45.241
Um...

2573
02:03:46.185 --> 02:03:48.882
Yeah, I'd be
very, very lucky.

2574
02:03:50.384 --> 02:03:52.347
But, uh, yeah.

2575
02:03:53.854 --> 02:03:56.987
<i> Wick</i> is pain.
<i> Wick</i> is celebration.

2576
02:03:57.190 --> 02:04:00.762
<i> Wick</i> is surviving.
<i> Wick</i> is trying to be free.

2577
02:04:01.561 --> 02:04:03.193
<i> Wick</i> is grieving.

2578
02:04:04.367 --> 02:04:06.768
Against the odds, surviving.

2579
02:04:07.967 --> 02:04:12.477
<i> Wick</i> is friendship.
<i> Wick</i> is love.

2580
02:04:13.571 --> 02:04:14.771
You know?

2581
02:04:14.940 --> 02:04:18.080
It's all those
kind of big ideas

2582
02:04:18.248 --> 02:04:22.586
in this... action movie.

2583
02:04:31.223 --> 02:04:35.393
And<i> Wick</i> is funny.
And John Wick is funny.

2584
02:04:35.562 --> 02:04:38.228
[rock music playing]