WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 3 00:00:11.090 --> 00:00:13.217 Before we get into the deep stuff, let's just talk, 4 00:00:13.342 --> 00:00:14.719 let's give some basics. 5 00:00:14.719 --> 00:00:17.220 Remember, when you're answering these questions, 6 00:00:17.220 --> 00:00:19.179 I'm not in the shot 7 00:00:19.179 --> 00:00:21.181 and they're never gonna hear my voice. 8 00:00:21.306 --> 00:00:22.641 Oh, boy. OK. 9 00:00:24.017 --> 00:00:26.561 The first word that I would use to describe Jeffrey Epstein 10 00:00:26.561 --> 00:00:29.438 other than a predator is 'mysterious'. 11 00:00:30.647 --> 00:00:33.232 How did he become so wealthy? 12 00:00:33.357 --> 00:00:38.486 How did he ingratiate himself into the exact right social circles? 13 00:00:38.486 --> 00:00:42.031 How did he get away without being caught for so long? 14 00:00:49.953 --> 00:00:53.247 I never could have anticipated 15 00:00:53.247 --> 00:00:57.584 how diabolical Jeffrey Epstein was. 16 00:00:57.709 --> 00:01:00.627 There's something deeply fucked up with you. 17 00:01:01.503 --> 00:01:02.546 At least something. 18 00:01:02.671 --> 00:01:04.380 We know there are things deeply fucked up 19 00:01:04.505 --> 00:01:06.549 you will get through in this film, right? 20 00:01:06.674 --> 00:01:09.217 Where I come from you don't kill my brother 21 00:01:09.217 --> 00:01:10.636 and walk away from that. 22 00:01:12.595 --> 00:01:15.180 What are the Epstein files? 23 00:01:16.681 --> 00:01:20.392 The Epstein files are all the information that the government has 24 00:01:20.517 --> 00:01:23.561 regarding Jeffrey Epstein and his co-conspirators. 25 00:01:25.063 --> 00:01:29.107 Photographic evidence, interviews of victims. 26 00:01:29.107 --> 00:01:30.400 Emails written to him, 27 00:01:30.525 --> 00:01:32.068 text messages. 28 00:01:32.526 --> 00:01:34.986 Court documents, FBI reports. 29 00:01:34.986 --> 00:01:40.240 And it is much more expansive than you had ever even imagined. 30 00:01:40.366 --> 00:01:42.910 People want to see names. 31 00:01:42.910 --> 00:01:45.119 They want to know who the sex traffickers are. 32 00:01:45.244 --> 00:01:47.329 They want to know who the paedophiles are 33 00:01:47.329 --> 00:01:48.580 and they want vengeance. 34 00:01:50.207 --> 00:01:53.209 Do you know the names of powerful people 35 00:01:53.209 --> 00:01:55.627 who have not yet been named publicly? 36 00:01:55.752 --> 00:01:56.670 Yes. 37 00:01:57.671 --> 00:02:00.339 Congressman Khanna! Hello, I'm Grace Tobin... 38 00:02:00.339 --> 00:02:01.882 Nice to see you. ...from Australia. 39 00:02:01.882 --> 00:02:04.717 Why do you think it's a fight that has united 40 00:02:04.717 --> 00:02:07.260 a very divided political spectrum here? 41 00:02:07.386 --> 00:02:09.304 You can't rape underage girls. 42 00:02:09.429 --> 00:02:11.222 You can't cover that up. 43 00:02:11.222 --> 00:02:13.766 Trump opened up Pandora's box. 44 00:02:13.891 --> 00:02:17.727 He thought that he could crack it open slightly and shut it. 45 00:02:17.727 --> 00:02:21.021 But the curse is not going back into the box. 46 00:02:22.398 --> 00:02:25.608 I don't understand why the President fought it so hard. 47 00:02:25.733 --> 00:02:28.819 Releasing the Epstein files is about revealing 48 00:02:28.819 --> 00:02:33.155 all of that dirty, nasty, horrible things that happened. 49 00:02:33.155 --> 00:02:34.699 Why would he cover this up? 50 00:02:34.699 --> 00:02:37.826 I think he's protecting rich and powerful men 51 00:02:37.826 --> 00:02:41.203 who participated in sex trafficking. 52 00:02:41.203 --> 00:02:43.162 3 million pages, 53 00:02:43.288 --> 00:02:45.707 180,000 images. 54 00:02:45.707 --> 00:02:47.916 The latest dump from the Epstein files 55 00:02:47.916 --> 00:02:50.711 after weeks of political pressure. 56 00:02:50.711 --> 00:02:54.088 That moment created global shock waves. 57 00:02:54.088 --> 00:02:57.382 A day of extreme jeopardy for Sir Keir Starmer. 58 00:02:57.382 --> 00:03:01.010 Norway's Crown Princess is facing intense scrutiny. 59 00:03:01.010 --> 00:03:02.969 Extraordinary news out of the UK. 60 00:03:03.094 --> 00:03:05.680 The former Prince Andrew has been arrested. 61 00:03:05.805 --> 00:03:08.640 The Epstein files are part of the Epstein story. 62 00:03:08.640 --> 00:03:10.767 You have to understand how the Epstein files fit in 63 00:03:10.767 --> 00:03:12.768 to what Epstein was doing, 64 00:03:12.768 --> 00:03:17.022 and the failures of the US government in doing their job. 65 00:03:17.147 --> 00:03:21.275 The Epstein story has one man at its centre, 66 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:23.693 one spider in the centre of the web. 67 00:03:23.693 --> 00:03:27.487 But that web could not have been constructed 68 00:03:27.612 --> 00:03:30.073 without complicity. 69 00:03:31.407 --> 00:03:33.659 Do you think you're the devil himself? 70 00:03:33.784 --> 00:03:35.910 No. But I do have a good mirror. 71 00:03:59.053 --> 00:04:01.513 We are going to turn now to the debate in Washington 72 00:04:01.513 --> 00:04:03.348 over the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files. 73 00:04:03.348 --> 00:04:06.517 Today, a group of survivors of the Epstein controversy 74 00:04:06.643 --> 00:04:08.518 will be here on Capitol Hill. 75 00:04:08.518 --> 00:04:11.437 Urgent new calls for transparency from Epstein survivors, 76 00:04:11.437 --> 00:04:14.190 24 of whom are now re-upping their demand 77 00:04:14.315 --> 00:04:17.859 that Congress release all of the Epstein files. 78 00:04:17.859 --> 00:04:19.693 It's an honour to stand here 79 00:04:19.693 --> 00:04:23.237 for something America is finally united on - 80 00:04:23.363 --> 00:04:26.783 the immediate release of the entire Epstein files. 81 00:04:29.284 --> 00:04:34.789 There's approximately 1,200 women that were victims of Jeffrey Epstein 82 00:04:34.789 --> 00:04:37.332 and they say other men. 83 00:04:37.332 --> 00:04:40.834 They've wanted justice and they fought very hard for it. 84 00:04:40.834 --> 00:04:42.503 We are more than victims. 85 00:04:42.503 --> 00:04:45.171 We are mothers, daughters, sisters, friends. 86 00:04:45.171 --> 00:04:46.881 And we will not be erased. 87 00:04:48.924 --> 00:04:52.510 Some of these women have been at this 20 years. 88 00:04:52.510 --> 00:04:55.887 Some of them had, I believe, almost given up. 89 00:04:57.347 --> 00:05:00.266 But the fact that they were invited to the capital of the United States 90 00:05:00.391 --> 00:05:02.351 to speak truth to power, 91 00:05:02.476 --> 00:05:05.937 and that every media outlet, 92 00:05:06.062 --> 00:05:10.857 you know, showed up, they're renewed in their efforts. 93 00:05:10.982 --> 00:05:16.861 This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein in 1991. 94 00:05:16.861 --> 00:05:20.698 This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein. 95 00:05:22.116 --> 00:05:24.951 A lot of us, it was the first time that we had spoken publicly. 96 00:05:25.076 --> 00:05:30.163 My name is Dani Bensky. This was me at 17 years old. 97 00:05:30.289 --> 00:05:34.458 So we were just kind of standing in solidarity with each other 98 00:05:34.583 --> 00:05:36.042 and saying to the world, 99 00:05:36.042 --> 00:05:39.753 like, "There's more of us than you thought." 100 00:05:39.878 --> 00:05:43.256 My name is Marina Lacerda. I was minor victim one. 101 00:05:43.256 --> 00:05:47.301 My name is Gena-Lisa Jones and I was only 14 years old. 102 00:05:47.426 --> 00:05:49.303 My name is Chauntae Davis. 103 00:05:49.303 --> 00:05:50.721 My name is Laura Bloom McGee. 104 00:05:50.721 --> 00:05:53.306 My name is Haley Robson. My name is Anoushka De Georgiou. 105 00:05:53.431 --> 00:05:55.807 My name is Courtney Wild. My name is Lisa Phillips. 106 00:05:55.932 --> 00:05:57.601 My name is Ashley Rubright 107 00:05:57.726 --> 00:06:01.895 and I am a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. 108 00:06:05.148 --> 00:06:07.983 When you're a survivor of abuse from a serial predator, 109 00:06:08.108 --> 00:06:11.193 you just have this bond with the other survivors. 110 00:06:13.195 --> 00:06:15.906 We understand each other like nobody else can. 111 00:06:21.076 --> 00:06:25.246 It's been a tremendous mountain to move to get here. 112 00:06:30.125 --> 00:06:33.294 line:5% It took an incredible outcry from the public, 113 00:06:33.294 --> 00:06:35.920 huge political will, 114 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:39.214 and it took the blood, sweat and tears of the survivors. 115 00:06:39.214 --> 00:06:42.384 And that's many, many tears from the survivors to get here. 116 00:07:04.359 --> 00:07:08.153 So we're just heading in to meet with Ashley Rubright, 117 00:07:08.153 --> 00:07:11.697 who is a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein. 118 00:07:11.822 --> 00:07:14.533 And she's only just started speaking out publicly 119 00:07:14.533 --> 00:07:16.242 about what happened to her. 120 00:07:17.827 --> 00:07:19.328 We're this house here. 121 00:07:21.997 --> 00:07:24.249 Hi, Ashley. How are you? Good. How are you? 122 00:07:24.249 --> 00:07:26.334 It's nice to meet you. So nice to meet you. Come in. 123 00:07:26.459 --> 00:07:28.919 Thank you so much for having us. Of course. 124 00:07:28.919 --> 00:07:30.837 Oh, it's still very Christmassy in here, isn't it? 125 00:07:30.962 --> 00:07:32.838 Yes. 126 00:07:37.551 --> 00:07:41.303 When did you meet Jeffrey Epstein? 127 00:07:41.303 --> 00:07:45.181 So it was about 2002 to 2003 128 00:07:45.181 --> 00:07:50.018 and I would have been... about 15. 129 00:07:54.146 --> 00:07:57.190 I was going to Summit Christian School. 130 00:07:59.567 --> 00:08:01.235 I was a cheerleader. 131 00:08:01.235 --> 00:08:04.904 I was in dance, like jazz, hip-hop, ballet. 132 00:08:05.029 --> 00:08:09.616 Um, I was working at a barbecue restaurant 133 00:08:09.616 --> 00:08:12.201 and one of my coworkers, 134 00:08:12.201 --> 00:08:14.787 line:5% he asked me one day in the restaurant 135 00:08:14.787 --> 00:08:18.873 line:5% if I would like to give a man a massage for $200. 136 00:08:20.541 --> 00:08:25.962 I thought about it for a second and said, "Sure." 137 00:08:32.008 --> 00:08:35.969 I just remember pulling into his house in Palm Beach. 138 00:08:39.263 --> 00:08:42.016 And we were led into the kitchen. 139 00:08:45.435 --> 00:08:49.313 And then Sarah Kellen came in, his assistant. 140 00:08:49.313 --> 00:08:51.230 Said it was time. 141 00:08:55.358 --> 00:08:58.903 Then Sarah, she's the one that led me upstairs. 142 00:09:02.031 --> 00:09:04.199 I didn't look around. I was just looking down. 143 00:09:04.199 --> 00:09:09.328 So all I remember was the pink carpet on the spiral staircase. 144 00:09:15.415 --> 00:09:19.251 And she opened the door and said, "Alright, I'll be back in an hour." 145 00:09:23.213 --> 00:09:28.008 I was shocked when I walked into the bathroom. 146 00:09:31.093 --> 00:09:34.096 But then I calmed myself down, thinking, 147 00:09:34.222 --> 00:09:37.974 "Of course, he's naked because that's how people get massages 148 00:09:38.099 --> 00:09:40.518 "and I should just not be so shocked." 149 00:09:46.731 --> 00:09:49.358 He just kind of laid on the table. 150 00:09:49.358 --> 00:09:53.110 And then he told me how to massage him. 151 00:09:56.529 --> 00:09:58.740 Then he flipped over. 152 00:09:58.740 --> 00:10:00.407 And... 153 00:10:04.786 --> 00:10:07.454 That's... Things got... 154 00:10:07.454 --> 00:10:10.666 ...really way more inappropriate there. 155 00:10:10.791 --> 00:10:13.918 And he asked me to... 156 00:10:15.502 --> 00:10:18.839 ...to take off my bra and... 157 00:10:18.963 --> 00:10:21.590 ...to pull up my skirt 158 00:10:21.590 --> 00:10:23.216 and... 159 00:10:27.261 --> 00:10:30.138 He was touching himself the whole time. 160 00:10:30.138 --> 00:10:32.139 I was just trying not to look. 161 00:10:33.140 --> 00:10:37.310 And he would grab me, 162 00:10:37.435 --> 00:10:40.145 grab my behind and... 163 00:10:42.356 --> 00:10:47.234 I was just trying to not be there, you know, 164 00:10:47.234 --> 00:10:48.569 line:5% at that time. 165 00:10:48.569 --> 00:10:49.987 line:5% And... 166 00:10:51.571 --> 00:10:55.198 line:5% ...he finished and hopped up. 167 00:10:55.323 --> 00:10:56.283 line:5% And... 168 00:10:57.742 --> 00:11:01.161 line:5% ...then Sarah came in and led me back downstairs. 169 00:11:04.330 --> 00:11:06.165 I felt shocked. 170 00:11:06.165 --> 00:11:08.292 And then I remember... 171 00:11:09.751 --> 00:11:11.627 ...trying to rationalise it. 172 00:11:13.004 --> 00:11:16.256 It had to have just been like a fluke, a one time... 173 00:11:17.215 --> 00:11:19.091 ...thing that he just couldn't control. 174 00:11:22.553 --> 00:11:24.637 I did go back one more time. 175 00:11:25.305 --> 00:11:28.265 The second time, it escalated. 176 00:11:29.391 --> 00:11:32.226 I just remembered Jeffrey bringing over a basket 177 00:11:32.351 --> 00:11:37.105 and asking me to pick one and asking me if I knew how to use it. 178 00:11:37.105 --> 00:11:38.190 And... 179 00:11:39.190 --> 00:11:41.066 ...he had me sit on the bathroom floor 180 00:11:41.066 --> 00:11:44.110 and he sat on the edge of the massage table. 181 00:11:45.737 --> 00:11:47.362 And I remember what happened. 182 00:11:48.614 --> 00:11:51.115 A basket of sex toys? Yes. 183 00:11:51.115 --> 00:11:53.534 Thank you for saying that. Yeah. That's OK. 184 00:12:01.874 --> 00:12:03.708 So this was 2000. 185 00:12:05.335 --> 00:12:07.461 And these are all just, like, happy messages. 186 00:12:09.963 --> 00:12:13.007 I read some of my yearbooks 187 00:12:13.007 --> 00:12:15.467 and it was such a drastic change. 188 00:12:18.844 --> 00:12:21.096 Right after Jeffrey, 189 00:12:21.096 --> 00:12:24.933 the messages, even my face. 190 00:12:25.058 --> 00:12:27.643 Everything had started to just look darker. 191 00:12:29.394 --> 00:12:33.189 This one says, "We had fun when you're not so mad." 192 00:12:33.314 --> 00:12:36.024 or, "You're sweet when you're not mad." Yeah. 193 00:12:37.150 --> 00:12:38.984 line:5% I was angry, and I... 194 00:12:40.277 --> 00:12:44.656 line:5% ...I didn't care who got the brunt of it, at all. 195 00:12:45.740 --> 00:12:46.741 Yeah. 196 00:12:47.991 --> 00:12:51.327 I stopped cheerleading, I stopped dance. 197 00:12:52.286 --> 00:12:55.580 And I kind of went from, like... 198 00:12:57.290 --> 00:13:01.001 ...trying to do good to just not caring. 199 00:13:03.628 --> 00:13:07.089 Did you tell anyone what happened to you? 200 00:13:07.214 --> 00:13:09.007 Just my friend Sean 201 00:13:09.007 --> 00:13:11.259 but nobody else. 202 00:13:13.719 --> 00:13:17.097 I didn't think there was a story to tell, really, you know? 203 00:13:24.978 --> 00:13:29.857 Mr Epstein, is it true you were born January 20th, 1953? 204 00:13:29.857 --> 00:13:31.399 Yes. 205 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:33.276 Where? New York. 206 00:13:34.235 --> 00:13:36.361 Where in New York. Brooklyn. 207 00:13:49.621 --> 00:13:50.830 Hey, Adam. Hi, Grace. 208 00:13:50.830 --> 00:13:52.290 How are you? Pleasure to meet you. 209 00:13:52.415 --> 00:13:55.167 Nice to meet you too. Thanks so much for doing this with us. 210 00:13:55.292 --> 00:13:57.294 My pleasure, my pleasure. 211 00:14:00.588 --> 00:14:03.840 Adam, can you tell me a bit about yourself? 212 00:14:03.965 --> 00:14:08.552 Well, I've been a legal journalist for close to two decades now, 213 00:14:08.552 --> 00:14:12.555 and the Southern District of New York was my long-time beat. 214 00:14:12.555 --> 00:14:15.473 So you see a lot of cases 215 00:14:15.473 --> 00:14:19.518 of national and international significance going into that court. 216 00:14:19.518 --> 00:14:22.229 And one of them just happened to be Epstein's. 217 00:14:30.319 --> 00:14:32.737 We are in Coney Island. 218 00:14:32.737 --> 00:14:34.655 Coney Island, Brooklyn. 219 00:14:43.578 --> 00:14:49.208 We're right near where Jeffrey Epstein grew up. 220 00:14:49.333 --> 00:14:51.876 And this is actually the Sea Gate community 221 00:14:51.876 --> 00:14:53.419 in the distance right there, 222 00:14:53.419 --> 00:14:55.587 Jeffrey Epstein's childhood home. 223 00:15:02.676 --> 00:15:04.511 Jeffrey Epstein had a modest upbringing 224 00:15:04.511 --> 00:15:06.845 in an immigrant community in Brooklyn. 225 00:15:06.845 --> 00:15:09.807 His father worked at the New York City Parks Department. 226 00:15:09.807 --> 00:15:12.141 His mother worked at a school. 227 00:15:12.141 --> 00:15:14.685 And he had a younger brother, Mark. 228 00:15:16.478 --> 00:15:19.105 He had a lifelong fascination with math 229 00:15:19.105 --> 00:15:22.191 and by all accounts, was pretty good at it. 230 00:15:27.027 --> 00:15:29.154 This is The Dalton Prep School. 231 00:15:31.197 --> 00:15:34.450 It is where he got his first job. 232 00:15:36.076 --> 00:15:38.662 Even though he was a college dropout, 233 00:15:38.662 --> 00:15:41.705 his first job was at a very prestigious school 234 00:15:41.705 --> 00:15:43.540 where he was a math teacher. 235 00:15:45.125 --> 00:15:47.251 One of the parents of a student 236 00:15:47.376 --> 00:15:50.254 introduced him to the CEO of Bear Stearns, 237 00:15:50.379 --> 00:15:52.296 a man named Ace Greenberg, 238 00:15:52.296 --> 00:15:55.048 where he got his first job on Wall Street. 239 00:16:05.348 --> 00:16:07.432 We are on Wall Street, 240 00:16:07.558 --> 00:16:11.144 where Jeffrey Epstein made his fortune. 241 00:16:14.272 --> 00:16:16.648 He was, by all accounts, very charming. 242 00:16:18.108 --> 00:16:21.110 Jeffrey Epstein tried to, throughout his life, 243 00:16:21.235 --> 00:16:23.736 make connections with people with money and power. 244 00:16:25.905 --> 00:16:29.324 He was able to get people to trust him very quickly. 245 00:16:32.702 --> 00:16:36.413 He won the trust of billionaires like Leslie Wexner, 246 00:16:36.413 --> 00:16:38.914 who gave him power of attorney. 247 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:42.543 He won the trust of Leon Black, 248 00:16:42.543 --> 00:16:46.296 who paid him hundreds of millions of dollars, 249 00:16:46.421 --> 00:16:49.089 far above the market rate. 250 00:16:49.089 --> 00:16:53.301 And from there, uh, there is a lot of mystery, 251 00:16:53.426 --> 00:16:56.261 but we're getting a picture more and more 252 00:16:56.261 --> 00:16:59.013 of him finagling people, 253 00:16:59.013 --> 00:17:01.223 uh, wheeling and dealing, 254 00:17:01.223 --> 00:17:04.350 and ultimately became fabulously wealthy. 255 00:17:05.769 --> 00:17:11.063 This is Jeffrey Epstein's Upper East Side townhouse mansion 256 00:17:11.063 --> 00:17:16.276 and the famous, uh, lantern over the door. 257 00:17:17.277 --> 00:17:19.361 He had a massage room in there. 258 00:17:21.864 --> 00:17:26.034 He had the dining room, where he entertained. 259 00:17:26.034 --> 00:17:29.536 I mean, the photos really do tell the story. 260 00:17:33.539 --> 00:17:36.875 Jeffrey Epstein met Ghislaine Maxwell in the early 1990s. 261 00:17:39.043 --> 00:17:42.588 As the daughter of a media tycoon, with a British accent, 262 00:17:42.588 --> 00:17:45.131 she brought something that Jeffrey Epstein didn't have - 263 00:17:45.256 --> 00:17:47.633 access to the elite. 264 00:17:47.758 --> 00:17:48.884 Have you got drinks? 265 00:17:52.178 --> 00:17:54.805 They socialised with politicians 266 00:17:54.930 --> 00:17:57.974 with big names in academia, finance, you name it. 267 00:17:58.100 --> 00:18:01.393 Whether it was the man known at the time as Prince Andrew. 268 00:18:02.936 --> 00:18:05.897 Or whether it was former president Bill Clinton. 269 00:18:07.773 --> 00:18:11.442 He had his private island in the US Virgin Islands, 270 00:18:11.442 --> 00:18:15.028 a ranch outside of Santa Fe, 271 00:18:15.153 --> 00:18:17.656 property in Palm Beach 272 00:18:17.781 --> 00:18:19.573 and in Paris. 273 00:18:22.826 --> 00:18:27.830 He was flaunting his jet-setting lifestyle and his massive wealth. 274 00:18:36.711 --> 00:18:38.338 Look at me like you love me. 275 00:18:38.463 --> 00:18:39.672 I can't wait. 276 00:18:42.049 --> 00:18:45.093 OK, so now I'm walking towards 277 00:18:45.093 --> 00:18:47.136 the lily pond. 278 00:18:47.136 --> 00:18:49.721 I'm here on the beach by myself. 279 00:18:49.721 --> 00:18:53.516 This is my swimming pool - my beach. 280 00:18:53.516 --> 00:18:55.475 No-one's allowed to dock here. 281 00:18:57.144 --> 00:18:58.769 The luncheon place. 282 00:18:59.937 --> 00:19:00.855 The nursery. 283 00:19:02.273 --> 00:19:03.982 At the point there is the library. 284 00:19:09.528 --> 00:19:11.487 It's an honour to stand here again 285 00:19:11.612 --> 00:19:14.781 for something America is finally united on. 286 00:19:14.781 --> 00:19:18.326 The immediate release of the entire Epstein files. 287 00:19:25.165 --> 00:19:27.291 So these are just my modelling pictures. 288 00:19:27.291 --> 00:19:29.918 Mm-hm. Like, when I started out. 289 00:19:30.044 --> 00:19:32.003 This is when I was 17. 290 00:19:32.003 --> 00:19:36.673 I would send these to modelling agencies to get started. 291 00:19:36.673 --> 00:19:38.924 I was a fashion model in New York, 292 00:19:39.050 --> 00:19:42.511 had worked my way up since I was 15 or 16 years old. 293 00:19:42.636 --> 00:19:45.055 So this was from the actual week I met Jeffrey. 294 00:19:45.180 --> 00:19:46.514 Ah. 295 00:19:46.514 --> 00:19:50.350 The year 2000 and I had booked, like, a really big job. 296 00:19:50.350 --> 00:19:54.228 Our agent at the time, Jeff, sent us to Tortola 297 00:19:54.354 --> 00:19:55.812 on the Caribbean Sea. 298 00:19:59.023 --> 00:20:00.691 Tortola was a small island. 299 00:20:00.691 --> 00:20:02.817 There was really not that much to do there. 300 00:20:02.817 --> 00:20:05.862 So the other model was like, "You know, we have a free day tomorrow." 301 00:20:05.862 --> 00:20:09.448 She suggested we go see her friend, you know, Jeffrey Epstein, 302 00:20:09.448 --> 00:20:11.407 that owned an island nearby. 303 00:20:12.784 --> 00:20:15.035 Yeah, we were both, like maybe 22 years old. 304 00:20:16.870 --> 00:20:19.580 Spent the day just, like, playing in the pool, in the ocean. 305 00:20:19.705 --> 00:20:23.750 And there I met two other young blonde girls. 306 00:20:25.043 --> 00:20:28.420 Went to dinner that evening, and I met Jeffrey Epstein. 307 00:20:29.922 --> 00:20:31.714 He was laser focused on me 308 00:20:31.714 --> 00:20:35.258 and asking so many questions about my childhood 309 00:20:35.258 --> 00:20:37.803 and my dreams and aspirations. 310 00:20:37.928 --> 00:20:41.013 I had told him in that time that we had shared on the island 311 00:20:41.013 --> 00:20:42.598 that I wanted to be a Ford model, 312 00:20:42.722 --> 00:20:45.350 and I kind of built up this trust with this man. 313 00:20:48.852 --> 00:20:51.562 Getting ready to go to sleep, there just was a knock at the door, 314 00:20:51.562 --> 00:20:54.773 and one of the other young girls poked her head in and was like, 315 00:20:54.773 --> 00:20:56.858 "Jeffrey's ready for his massage now." 316 00:20:56.858 --> 00:20:59.276 And I'm just like, "OK, well, you go ahead, I'm going to bed." 317 00:20:59.402 --> 00:21:03.029 And she was just like, "No, he said for you to give the massage." 318 00:21:05.407 --> 00:21:07.533 Long story short, like, I just had to go. 319 00:21:09.785 --> 00:21:14.038 And so I experienced, you know, sexual abuse that evening, um, 320 00:21:14.038 --> 00:21:17.958 from Jeffrey and the other girl that was there. 321 00:21:39.765 --> 00:21:42.684 I think when you're younger, you always blame yourself. 322 00:21:42.809 --> 00:21:44.644 Like, "What did I do? Was I flirting with this guy?" 323 00:21:44.769 --> 00:21:47.730 Like, I went home and I wanted nothing to do with him after that. 324 00:21:48.897 --> 00:21:51.983 And a few months had passed and he called me. 325 00:21:55.027 --> 00:21:58.613 A lot of my modelling castings would be here in Soho. 326 00:21:58.613 --> 00:22:00.656 Right up here, when I was walking, right up here 327 00:22:00.781 --> 00:22:02.824 was where I got the call from Jeffrey. 328 00:22:02.824 --> 00:22:07.286 He was very brief and to the point that he had remembered, 329 00:22:07.286 --> 00:22:09.747 you know, my goals and ambitions that I told him on the island - 330 00:22:09.747 --> 00:22:12.498 that I wanted to be a Ford model, big dream of mine, 331 00:22:12.498 --> 00:22:15.459 and that he knew the owner of the Ford Modelling Agency 332 00:22:15.459 --> 00:22:17.753 and for me to go over there and meet with her. 333 00:22:18.961 --> 00:22:20.379 And I was just thinking, 334 00:22:20.504 --> 00:22:23.298 whatever happened to me on the island wasn't good, 335 00:22:23.298 --> 00:22:25.383 but maybe he was trying to make up for it, 336 00:22:25.508 --> 00:22:28.218 you know, by saying, "I remember your goal, 337 00:22:28.218 --> 00:22:29.845 "well, I can help you out." 338 00:22:30.845 --> 00:22:32.305 During that time, 339 00:22:32.305 --> 00:22:35.349 were you ever abused by Epstein again 340 00:22:35.474 --> 00:22:38.518 or any men in his orbit? 341 00:22:38.643 --> 00:22:40.686 So, yeah, I was abused by him again. 342 00:22:40.686 --> 00:22:42.854 And through his connections 343 00:22:42.854 --> 00:22:45.732 where he would sent me on auditions and things. 344 00:22:45.857 --> 00:22:49.109 But back then, I wasn't aware that I was trafficked. 345 00:22:51.527 --> 00:22:55.614 Can you explain a bit more about how the trafficking operation worked? 346 00:22:55.614 --> 00:22:58.450 Well, auditions are castings by Epstein. 347 00:22:58.450 --> 00:23:00.159 So it's like, "Oh, let me just send you. 348 00:23:00.159 --> 00:23:03.119 "My friend is casting a really big film right now." 349 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:04.788 And you're sent somewhere 350 00:23:04.788 --> 00:23:08.040 where all of a sudden you're propositioned for sex 351 00:23:08.165 --> 00:23:11.626 and the people around you are enforcing it. 352 00:23:14.379 --> 00:23:15.879 Just thought it was the business. 353 00:23:16.004 --> 00:23:18.964 Just thought I was going to a casting and audition, working, 354 00:23:18.964 --> 00:23:22.343 and that's kind of how some of the older men were, just creepy. 355 00:23:22.343 --> 00:23:25.845 And I never connected it to a more nefarious ring 356 00:23:25.845 --> 00:23:28.889 that involved modelling agencies and Epstein. 357 00:23:30.432 --> 00:23:34.394 There were hundreds of girls from these Eastern European countries 358 00:23:34.394 --> 00:23:36.937 sent to Paris, sent to New York. 359 00:23:36.937 --> 00:23:40.022 You know, they were doing quite abusive things to these models. 360 00:23:41.357 --> 00:23:43.566 It was like a well-oiled machine. 361 00:23:46.403 --> 00:23:49.029 Fast forward a few years later, 362 00:23:49.029 --> 00:23:53.741 I had a girlfriend who was also involved in this Epstein world. 363 00:23:54.783 --> 00:23:56.743 She had came to me one evening and said that 364 00:23:56.743 --> 00:23:58.786 Jeffrey had made her go into a room, 365 00:23:58.911 --> 00:24:01.330 made to go have sex with somebody 366 00:24:01.330 --> 00:24:05.250 and so she at that time was scared. 367 00:24:05.375 --> 00:24:07.459 I became scared, and we kind of... 368 00:24:07.459 --> 00:24:09.586 ...both kind of moved out of New York at that time 369 00:24:09.586 --> 00:24:12.755 and I never saw him again after that 'cause I was scared. 370 00:24:21.887 --> 00:24:26.016 Jeffrey Epstein's trail of sexual abuse happened globally. 371 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:32.854 However, Palm Beach was the centre, in many ways, of the sexual abuse 372 00:24:32.979 --> 00:24:36.273 and where his crimes were originally investigated. 373 00:24:42.611 --> 00:24:47.656 Hey there. We're just driving around Palm Beach. 374 00:24:47.781 --> 00:24:49.575 Is there any way to get through or no? 375 00:24:49.575 --> 00:24:51.034 No, not... Is this closed? 376 00:24:51.034 --> 00:24:53.578 Yeah. OK. Alright. Just wanted to check. 377 00:24:53.578 --> 00:24:55.329 Why is it closed? 378 00:24:55.454 --> 00:24:58.081 Because Trump's in town. 379 00:25:02.751 --> 00:25:05.003 So I'm Holly Baltz. 380 00:25:05.128 --> 00:25:10.257 I'm a retired investigations editor from the Palm Beach Post. 381 00:25:10.257 --> 00:25:12.050 Just newly retired. 382 00:25:13.384 --> 00:25:18.638 We, as in the Post, covered Epstein from the very beginning. 383 00:25:21.307 --> 00:25:27.603 I never could have anticipated how big this case got to be. 384 00:25:29.980 --> 00:25:33.316 Palm Beach Police first started investigating Jeffrey Epstein 385 00:25:33.316 --> 00:25:37.152 line:5% when the stepmother of a ninth grader 386 00:25:37.152 --> 00:25:39.195 line:5% at Royal Palm Beach High School reported 387 00:25:39.320 --> 00:25:43.823 that a wealthy man had molested her daughter in March of 2005. 388 00:25:45.450 --> 00:25:47.701 This is the east/west route 389 00:25:47.701 --> 00:25:50.828 that goes past Royal Palm Beach High School. 390 00:25:52.789 --> 00:25:55.666 You know, it wasn't just the one girl. 391 00:25:56.958 --> 00:26:01.921 Police found that a number of victims were recruited here. 392 00:26:04.631 --> 00:26:07.341 They started interviewing more girls, 393 00:26:07.466 --> 00:26:10.760 and every time they did, it was like peeling back an onion. 394 00:26:23.353 --> 00:26:27.147 Not only were the girls getting sexually abused themselves, 395 00:26:27.147 --> 00:26:31.025 but he also offered to pay them if they'd bring their friends. 396 00:26:31.025 --> 00:26:34.362 Um, and these were girls who didn't have a lot of money. 397 00:26:37.948 --> 00:26:41.867 During Jeffrey Epstein's first criminal investigation, 398 00:26:41.993 --> 00:26:45.370 many of the survivors started finding lawyers 399 00:26:45.495 --> 00:26:50.623 who were willing to bring their stories forward and file lawsuits. 400 00:26:50.623 --> 00:26:54.835 I first got involved in the Epstein matter back in about 2006. 401 00:26:56.211 --> 00:27:00.673 I was working at a litigation firm here in Palm Beach County 402 00:27:00.673 --> 00:27:04.551 and a young girl walked into our office with her parents 403 00:27:04.551 --> 00:27:09.430 and told a crazy story about a rich man on Palm Beach Island 404 00:27:09.430 --> 00:27:11.431 that had paid her about $200 405 00:27:11.556 --> 00:27:13.349 to go to the home and give him a massage 406 00:27:13.349 --> 00:27:16.393 that turned into a sexually explicit and inappropriate massage. 407 00:27:17.686 --> 00:27:19.770 Initially, I didn't quite believe her, 408 00:27:19.770 --> 00:27:22.481 to be perfectly honest, it sounded pretty incredible. 409 00:27:22.481 --> 00:27:25.233 But once I interviewed the police detective 410 00:27:25.233 --> 00:27:27.234 that was conducting the investigation, 411 00:27:27.234 --> 00:27:28.736 I realised that this was real. 412 00:27:30.862 --> 00:27:33.656 Michael Reiter was the chief of police back at the time. 413 00:27:33.656 --> 00:27:36.199 And Joe Recarey was the lead investigator. 414 00:27:39.410 --> 00:27:40.578 Correct? 415 00:27:40.578 --> 00:27:42.330 line:5% OK. You were like the houseman? 416 00:27:45.624 --> 00:27:47.082 What can you tell me about that? 417 00:27:52.962 --> 00:27:55.255 So he can massage in the morning, massage in the afternoon. 418 00:27:55.380 --> 00:27:56.715 And besides that... 419 00:27:58.050 --> 00:27:59.216 OK. 420 00:27:59.216 --> 00:28:00.760 And actually... 421 00:28:04.137 --> 00:28:07.556 As police officers gathered the evidence, 422 00:28:07.556 --> 00:28:11.851 Epstein put together a huge team of... 423 00:28:11.851 --> 00:28:14.645 It was like a dream team. 424 00:28:14.770 --> 00:28:17.564 All really well-known attorneys 425 00:28:17.564 --> 00:28:21.359 and attorneys who, uh, were very aggressive. 426 00:28:23.818 --> 00:28:26.987 It is widely reported that Jeffrey Epstein and his legal team 427 00:28:26.987 --> 00:28:30.407 had some of the victims followed by blacked-out SUVs, 428 00:28:30.407 --> 00:28:34.160 uh, you know, showed... showing up at their houses. 429 00:28:34.285 --> 00:28:37.371 But they were also investigating the lead investigator, Joe. 430 00:28:37.371 --> 00:28:39.288 And I asked to meet him. 431 00:28:40.915 --> 00:28:43.667 So he picked a Starbucks in downtown West Palm Beach. 432 00:28:43.792 --> 00:28:45.961 And when I sat down and I started talking to him, 433 00:28:46.086 --> 00:28:48.295 his head was on a swivel and he kept looking around. 434 00:28:48.420 --> 00:28:50.464 And I said, "What are you... what are you doing?" 435 00:28:51.464 --> 00:28:53.841 And I'll never forget, he looks at me and he says, 436 00:28:53.967 --> 00:28:57.803 "You have no idea what they're doing to me." 437 00:28:57.928 --> 00:29:00.304 They had been digging through his personal trash, 438 00:29:00.304 --> 00:29:01.639 and he said to me, 439 00:29:01.764 --> 00:29:05.225 "I've never seen this kind of an operation before." 440 00:29:12.146 --> 00:29:17.067 But Palm Beach Police, they were very dogged in pursuing Epstein. 441 00:29:17.067 --> 00:29:19.860 We're police officers of Palm Beach County, Florida. 442 00:29:19.860 --> 00:29:22.113 They kept amassing victims. 443 00:29:22.238 --> 00:29:25.115 The premises occupied or under the control of Jeffrey Epstein. 444 00:29:25.115 --> 00:29:27.449 White male. Date of birth 1/20/53. 445 00:29:29.785 --> 00:29:33.204 When the first criminal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein 446 00:29:33.329 --> 00:29:34.997 was going on, 447 00:29:35.122 --> 00:29:38.708 it had originally seemed like something that could sustain 448 00:29:38.708 --> 00:29:41.335 an indictment with dozens of counts, 449 00:29:41.335 --> 00:29:45.672 that Palm Beach Police were building a very strong case. 450 00:29:45.797 --> 00:29:48.591 But when the entire case was packaged up 451 00:29:48.591 --> 00:29:50.717 and given to the state attorney... 452 00:29:51.968 --> 00:29:54.553 ...the state attorney here in Palm Beach at the time 453 00:29:54.553 --> 00:29:56.888 decided not to file charges. 454 00:29:56.888 --> 00:30:01.559 Chief of Police Michael Reiter was so upset at the lack of prosecution 455 00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:03.059 on the state level 456 00:30:03.059 --> 00:30:05.729 that he elevated this to the federal level. 457 00:30:07.229 --> 00:30:11.316 The FBI was keen to prosecute in the beginning, for sure. 458 00:30:12.650 --> 00:30:16.570 And they found very much similar things as Palm Beach Police, 459 00:30:16.695 --> 00:30:17.988 but new victims. 460 00:30:17.988 --> 00:30:23.909 And what came of that was a draft indictment, 60 counts. 461 00:30:24.951 --> 00:30:27.870 However, this giant case that Palm Beach Police 462 00:30:27.995 --> 00:30:30.705 spent so much time investigating 463 00:30:30.705 --> 00:30:33.833 pleaded down to a slap-on-the-wrist plea deal 464 00:30:33.833 --> 00:30:37.502 after intense lobbying by Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers. 465 00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:40.922 The charges that they ended up bringing 466 00:30:40.922 --> 00:30:44.382 were solicitation for prostitution of a minor. 467 00:30:44.507 --> 00:30:48.928 It's basically calling these victims prostitutes. 468 00:30:48.928 --> 00:30:52.764 line:5% The deal was approved by then US attorney Alex Acosta 469 00:30:52.764 --> 00:30:55.557 and then kept secret from the victims. 470 00:30:55.682 --> 00:30:59.143 And I think that the sweetheart plea deal 471 00:30:59.143 --> 00:31:02.104 was, in many ways, the original sin of this. 472 00:31:04.105 --> 00:31:06.857 It was one of the most awful deals I've ever seen. 473 00:31:06.857 --> 00:31:11.528 There isn't a plea deal before or since that I've ever seen like this. 474 00:31:15.447 --> 00:31:20.201 It gave complete immunity to not just Epstein, 475 00:31:20.201 --> 00:31:23.161 but it included and not limited to 476 00:31:23.161 --> 00:31:26.664 potential co-conspirators Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, 477 00:31:26.664 --> 00:31:29.416 Lesley Groff, and Nadia Marcinkova. 478 00:31:29.416 --> 00:31:32.585 And so these are some of the women who helped recruit other girls? 479 00:31:32.585 --> 00:31:34.462 Yeah, in the sexual pyramid scheme, 480 00:31:34.586 --> 00:31:36.797 these were the people that were really at the third level, 481 00:31:36.797 --> 00:31:39.423 right below Ghislaine Maxwell. 482 00:31:41.926 --> 00:31:44.803 Jeffrey Epstein went to jail just before 10:00 this morning. 483 00:31:44.803 --> 00:31:46.762 He pleaded guilty in open court. 484 00:31:46.887 --> 00:31:48.806 He agreed to serve a total of 18 months 485 00:31:48.806 --> 00:31:50.391 in a Palm Beach detention facility. 486 00:31:52.934 --> 00:31:55.727 People who commit sex crimes against minors 487 00:31:55.727 --> 00:31:58.563 go to prison for a very long time. 488 00:31:59.522 --> 00:32:01.274 Not Jeffrey Epstein. 489 00:32:01.399 --> 00:32:04.943 He was sentenced to 18 months in jail. 490 00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:11.281 He could get work release for 12 hours a day, six days a week. 491 00:32:12.490 --> 00:32:15.701 He wound up being in a cushy jail 492 00:32:15.701 --> 00:32:18.619 where he was the only person in that wing. 493 00:32:20.329 --> 00:32:23.623 He could go out, go to his office, take a walk on the beach, 494 00:32:23.748 --> 00:32:25.792 do whatever he wanted during the day. 495 00:32:25.792 --> 00:32:27.626 That's no kind of punishment. 496 00:32:29.086 --> 00:32:31.629 We had been litigating against Epstein 497 00:32:31.754 --> 00:32:33.965 on behalf of one of my clients. 498 00:32:33.965 --> 00:32:37.009 He was being allowed out during days. 499 00:32:37.134 --> 00:32:39.594 So we noticed Epstein for deposition. 500 00:32:41.470 --> 00:32:44.347 Could you please give us your name? Jeffrey Epstein. 501 00:32:44.472 --> 00:32:47.224 So I wanted him to realise I didn't care who he was, 502 00:32:47.349 --> 00:32:49.602 what his power was, what his status was, 503 00:32:49.602 --> 00:32:52.270 I was gonna ask him the most embarrassing possible thing I could. 504 00:32:53.521 --> 00:32:55.939 Is it true, sir, that, um... 505 00:32:57.232 --> 00:33:00.943 ...you have what's been described as an egg-shaped penis? 506 00:33:03.195 --> 00:33:06.198 He hears me ask the question, watch him look at his lawyers, 507 00:33:06.198 --> 00:33:08.157 like, "Can you believe he's asking me this?" 508 00:33:08.282 --> 00:33:11.201 And I'm going to give you the first warning, Mr Kuvin. 509 00:33:11.326 --> 00:33:13.578 I had been the first lawyer to ask him any questions 510 00:33:13.578 --> 00:33:15.829 in the cases that had been filed. 511 00:33:15.829 --> 00:33:20.041 One witness described your penis as oval-shaped, 512 00:33:20.166 --> 00:33:22.376 thin and small towards the head portion. 513 00:33:22.376 --> 00:33:24.920 See, he's angry. He's ready to walk out the door. 514 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:27.171 And then he sees that the attorneys are gonna talk. 515 00:33:27.296 --> 00:33:30.798 That serves no other purpose other than embarrass Mr Epstein. 516 00:33:30.798 --> 00:33:33.092 It's just totally unethical. It's improper. 517 00:33:33.218 --> 00:33:34.676 The purpose of that question is 518 00:33:34.676 --> 00:33:38.638 how could a 14-year-old know what his private part looked like? 519 00:33:38.638 --> 00:33:42.933 That question was directly relevant to the claims in the case. 520 00:33:42.933 --> 00:33:45.477 The deposition is terminated at this point. 521 00:33:45.477 --> 00:33:47.978 OK. Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. Thank you. 522 00:33:51.606 --> 00:33:53.775 Shortest deposition I've ever taken. 523 00:33:53.775 --> 00:33:55.317 Ever. Ever. 524 00:33:55.317 --> 00:33:58.528 Wow. So he probably is feeling pretty confident at this point 525 00:33:58.653 --> 00:34:00.738 that he's gotten away with this. Pretty much. Yeah. 526 00:34:00.738 --> 00:34:02.240 I mean, he had done his deal, 527 00:34:02.365 --> 00:34:04.324 and now he was just getting through the civil cases, 528 00:34:04.449 --> 00:34:06.534 thinking that it was all over and all done. 529 00:34:21.963 --> 00:34:25.840 A few steps, a smile and a wave to the deputy at the door. 530 00:34:25.966 --> 00:34:28.509 We watched Jeffrey Epstein walk out of jail. 531 00:34:28.509 --> 00:34:32.637 Epstein served 13 months of an 18-month sentence. 532 00:34:32.762 --> 00:34:34.763 He's very happy that his jail sentence is over 533 00:34:34.888 --> 00:34:37.516 and he can begin a new chapter in his life. 534 00:34:39.308 --> 00:34:41.727 When Jeffrey Epstein got out of jail, 535 00:34:41.727 --> 00:34:43.395 the fact that he was prosecuted, 536 00:34:43.395 --> 00:34:46.231 the fact that he was a registered sex offender 537 00:34:46.356 --> 00:34:48.274 didn't seem to stand in the way 538 00:34:48.399 --> 00:34:53.403 of his re-entry into high society, wealth and power. 539 00:34:56.196 --> 00:34:59.907 The power and influence he had convinced a lot of people 540 00:35:00.032 --> 00:35:01.284 to look the other way. 541 00:35:02.285 --> 00:35:04.369 Prince Andrew looked the other way. 542 00:35:06.329 --> 00:35:11.040 We also saw Bill Gates meeting with Epstein, despite his past. 543 00:35:12.584 --> 00:35:15.169 He was some sort of soothsayer, apparently, 544 00:35:15.169 --> 00:35:18.504 to a lot of these men that were asking him for advice. 545 00:35:18.504 --> 00:35:22.133 I think that a lot of people probably knew 546 00:35:22.258 --> 00:35:24.009 that everything was not on the up and up, 547 00:35:24.134 --> 00:35:28.053 but for whatever reason, they wanted to be a part of his inner circle. 548 00:35:30.347 --> 00:35:35.976 I had a reporter who was covering Epstein every step of the way. 549 00:35:38.187 --> 00:35:41.063 It was difficult to get people to pay attention. 550 00:35:42.564 --> 00:35:46.984 They felt like he had served his time and there you go. 551 00:35:46.984 --> 00:35:49.737 Epstein's conviction wasn't even a speed bump. 552 00:35:53.364 --> 00:35:55.741 I've been researching and writing about child trafficking 553 00:35:55.866 --> 00:35:57.910 since 2002, 2003, 554 00:35:58.035 --> 00:36:00.620 and I had this intuition that Jeffrey Epstein 555 00:36:00.620 --> 00:36:03.663 was very similar to the network that I'd investigated, 556 00:36:03.788 --> 00:36:08.918 and I just felt that something was seriously wrong. 557 00:36:08.918 --> 00:36:13.213 So in 2012, I went down to Florida 558 00:36:13.213 --> 00:36:16.590 and I had the good fortune of getting the black book. 559 00:36:20.676 --> 00:36:24.638 The black book is just a list of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts. 560 00:36:26.097 --> 00:36:28.724 It has billionaires, 561 00:36:28.724 --> 00:36:30.725 some people in showbiz, 562 00:36:30.850 --> 00:36:32.477 captains of industry. 563 00:36:34.270 --> 00:36:38.689 Um, and multiple girls were in the black book. 564 00:36:42.193 --> 00:36:44.694 I started talking to some of the girls, 565 00:36:44.820 --> 00:36:49.198 and they told me that they'd been flown here or flown there 566 00:36:49.198 --> 00:36:52.033 and then one told me that she'd been flown to an island. 567 00:36:52.700 --> 00:36:54.660 So in 2012, 568 00:36:54.785 --> 00:36:58.913 I believed Jeffrey Epstein was running a network. 569 00:36:59.038 --> 00:37:00.832 And I also had the flight logs. 570 00:37:02.166 --> 00:37:05.210 So were these the flight logs just for his private plane, then? 571 00:37:05.335 --> 00:37:06.211 Yes. 572 00:37:06.211 --> 00:37:08.963 Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz, 573 00:37:09.088 --> 00:37:11.422 Kevin Spacey, Larry Summers. 574 00:37:11.422 --> 00:37:13.383 I mean, there were a number of very powerful people 575 00:37:13.383 --> 00:37:16.552 that were flying with Jeffrey Epstein. 576 00:37:16.677 --> 00:37:20.471 And there were a number of girls on the flight logs, 577 00:37:20.596 --> 00:37:24.850 and I assumed that some of them were minors. 578 00:37:30.812 --> 00:37:33.440 I worked on getting that story published for three years, 579 00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:38.235 and finally Gawker stepped up and published my work. 580 00:37:41.279 --> 00:37:43.738 The mainstream media just didn't want to embrace it. 581 00:37:48.617 --> 00:37:52.245 After that point, we would get glimpses of information. 582 00:37:53.705 --> 00:37:58.333 Virginia Giuffre, one of the Epstein survivors from Palm Beach, 583 00:37:58.333 --> 00:38:02.461 had moved to Australia after escaping Jeffrey Epstein. 584 00:38:02.461 --> 00:38:06.797 She claimed that she was trafficked to then-Prince Andrew 585 00:38:06.922 --> 00:38:08.340 when she was a minor. 586 00:38:08.340 --> 00:38:10.301 She was 17 at the time. 587 00:38:10.301 --> 00:38:13.344 Can you tell me about the photo that she provided 588 00:38:13.344 --> 00:38:17.431 to a newspaper in 2011? 589 00:38:17.431 --> 00:38:21.684 Virginia Giuffre had produced a now infamous photograph 590 00:38:21.809 --> 00:38:23.935 of her, then-Prince Andrew 591 00:38:24.060 --> 00:38:26.104 and Ghislaine Maxwell. 592 00:38:27.396 --> 00:38:29.482 Andrew claimed that it was a fake 593 00:38:29.607 --> 00:38:32.233 and denied criminal wrongdoing. 594 00:38:34.110 --> 00:38:35.277 Thing about Virginia is 595 00:38:35.277 --> 00:38:37.946 she'd been with Epstein for a couple of years 596 00:38:37.946 --> 00:38:40.323 and he had taken her everyplace. 597 00:38:40.448 --> 00:38:44.034 So she was pretty knowledgeable about his network 598 00:38:44.034 --> 00:38:47.536 and she was launching civil suits, 599 00:38:47.536 --> 00:38:52.040 and she named Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell as perpetrators 600 00:38:52.040 --> 00:38:53.541 who trafficked her 601 00:38:53.541 --> 00:38:55.584 to his rich and powerful cronies. 602 00:38:57.628 --> 00:39:02.464 But she wasn't being taken seriously by the media. 603 00:39:04.633 --> 00:39:09.011 Jeffrey Epstein very aggressively bullied media organisations 604 00:39:09.011 --> 00:39:11.471 that tried to look under that rock. 605 00:39:14.681 --> 00:39:18.518 Things remained kind of dormant for a number of years, 606 00:39:18.643 --> 00:39:21.521 until another story came out of the Miami Herald 607 00:39:21.521 --> 00:39:24.439 and a reporter that went back and looked at some of the deals 608 00:39:24.564 --> 00:39:26.565 that were struck with Jeffrey Epstein. 609 00:39:27.983 --> 00:39:32.112 Julie Brown, her reporting really opened up the case. 610 00:39:32.237 --> 00:39:33.780 One second. 611 00:39:35.155 --> 00:39:36.490 Oh, you're calling Julie? 612 00:39:36.615 --> 00:39:40.743 Good morning. How are you? I'm wonderful. 613 00:39:40.868 --> 00:39:45.497 I have a very pleasant Australian reporter here in my office 614 00:39:45.497 --> 00:39:49.250 uh, that would like to chat with you 615 00:39:49.375 --> 00:39:51.167 if you could give her time. 616 00:39:51.292 --> 00:39:52.168 Hang on. OK. 617 00:39:52.168 --> 00:39:54.003 Hi, Julie. 618 00:39:54.129 --> 00:39:55.587 I've been contacted by a lot of people... 619 00:39:55.712 --> 00:39:58.382 Yeah, I can imagine. ..hard to keep it straight but... 620 00:39:58.382 --> 00:39:59.590 Yeah. 621 00:39:59.590 --> 00:40:02.343 Yeah, give me a call. But this week is not a good week. 622 00:40:02.343 --> 00:40:06.346 So we can talk about it later. OK. Yeah, sure. 623 00:40:20.356 --> 00:40:22.816 Hey, Julie. I'm so glad we could make this happen. 624 00:40:22.941 --> 00:40:24.609 Yes. 625 00:40:25.569 --> 00:40:27.737 Persistence pays off, right? Yep. It's OK. 626 00:40:27.862 --> 00:40:30.613 Especially since you were willing to come all the way to Philadelphia. 627 00:40:30.613 --> 00:40:32.657 I thought, "Oh, my God. This girl's never gonna give up. 628 00:40:32.782 --> 00:40:34.616 "I might as well just get it over with." 629 00:40:36.577 --> 00:40:39.954 Tell me how you came to investigate Jeffrey Epstein. 630 00:40:39.954 --> 00:40:44.207 Well, I started investigating it right before the election in 2016. 631 00:40:45.792 --> 00:40:49.253 Most journalists in America knew, you know, 632 00:40:49.378 --> 00:40:51.713 something about the Jeffrey Epstein case, 633 00:40:51.713 --> 00:40:54.382 especially Epstein's sweetheart deal. 634 00:40:54.506 --> 00:40:56.341 Very lenient plea deal. 635 00:40:56.341 --> 00:40:58.509 And there was a lot of stories about, 636 00:40:58.509 --> 00:41:01.721 "How did he get this deal? This doesn't make any sense." 637 00:41:01.721 --> 00:41:05.348 But nothing that I could find really showed me 638 00:41:05.348 --> 00:41:07.516 how he got away with this crime. 639 00:41:07.516 --> 00:41:10.311 And so I just started requesting the records, 640 00:41:10.435 --> 00:41:13.229 not knowing where it was going to lead me. 641 00:41:13.354 --> 00:41:16.857 Somehow, I got a list of almost a hundred victims. 642 00:41:18.358 --> 00:41:23.195 In the end, I had like four victims that were willing to go and talk. 643 00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:25.280 And in the middle when I was doing that, 644 00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:30.658 Trump nominated Alexander Acosta to be Labor secretary. 645 00:41:30.658 --> 00:41:34.287 I want to thank President Trump for the privilege of serving. 646 00:41:34.287 --> 00:41:37.372 Acosta was the US Attorney in Miami 647 00:41:37.498 --> 00:41:40.291 that signed off on Epstein's sweetheart deal. 648 00:41:40.291 --> 00:41:42.751 I, Alexander Acosta, do solemnly swear... 649 00:41:42.751 --> 00:41:47.588 So then I pitched a story that we would go to the victims 650 00:41:47.588 --> 00:41:51.466 and ask them, you know, what they think about the man 651 00:41:51.466 --> 00:41:53.676 that let their predator off the hook, 652 00:41:53.676 --> 00:41:55.552 who is now, by the way, in charge 653 00:41:55.552 --> 00:41:59.222 of one of the largest government agencies in the country 654 00:41:59.222 --> 00:42:01.682 with oversight of human trafficking. 655 00:42:03.350 --> 00:42:05.227 It was a high pressure story 656 00:42:05.227 --> 00:42:07.603 because it involved a lot of important people. 657 00:42:07.603 --> 00:42:12.023 It was going to be put online very early in the morning, 658 00:42:12.023 --> 00:42:15.693 so we sort of braced ourselves, I guess you could say. 659 00:42:15.693 --> 00:42:18.861 And at the time that morning, there was a funny story 660 00:42:18.861 --> 00:42:20.405 that was at the top of our leaderboard. 661 00:42:20.530 --> 00:42:22.447 My story was at the very bottom. 662 00:42:22.572 --> 00:42:25.700 And so I packed everything up. I thought, "That's it for the day. 663 00:42:25.826 --> 00:42:28.828 "You know, I'm going to take the day off." 664 00:42:28.953 --> 00:42:31.538 And I was getting all ready and another reporter said to me, 665 00:42:31.538 --> 00:42:33.164 "Julie, look at this story." 666 00:42:33.164 --> 00:42:35.791 And it was going boom, boom, boom. 667 00:42:36.875 --> 00:42:39.335 We are going to begin with a much closer look 668 00:42:39.335 --> 00:42:41.921 at the disturbing case of Jeffrey Epstein. 669 00:42:42.046 --> 00:42:44.464 Joining me this morning is Julie Brown of the Miami Herald. 670 00:42:44.464 --> 00:42:46.966 Investigative reporter behind the Miami Herald expose... 671 00:42:47.091 --> 00:42:49.301 Julie Brown, let me ask you, set the scene for us. 672 00:42:51.678 --> 00:42:55.013 This story uncovered this underbelly of society, 673 00:42:55.139 --> 00:42:56.598 of the rich and powerful 674 00:42:56.724 --> 00:43:00.309 and what they were doing to people who were less powerful. 675 00:43:00.309 --> 00:43:02.561 The Miami Herald series 676 00:43:02.561 --> 00:43:05.605 drops in November 2018. 677 00:43:09.233 --> 00:43:14.195 line:5% It had such an impact that by July of the following year, 678 00:43:14.195 --> 00:43:18.573 Jeffrey Epstein is arrested and charged with sex trafficking. 679 00:43:20.658 --> 00:43:22.909 Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested 680 00:43:22.909 --> 00:43:26.037 for alleged sex trafficking of young girls, 681 00:43:26.037 --> 00:43:29.165 and agents have been coming in and out of his Manhattan mansion 682 00:43:29.290 --> 00:43:30.582 all morning. 683 00:43:30.582 --> 00:43:32.250 Epstein is charged in a two-count indictment. 684 00:43:32.375 --> 00:43:35.294 First - conspiracy to commit sex trafficking 685 00:43:35.419 --> 00:43:38.005 and second, sex trafficking of underage girls, 686 00:43:38.130 --> 00:43:41.758 beginning in at least 2002 and continuing until 2005 687 00:43:41.883 --> 00:43:45.093 at his mansion in New York and in Palm Beach, Florida. 688 00:43:46.178 --> 00:43:50.139 I'm not going into any dealings with main justice, 689 00:43:50.139 --> 00:43:51.639 I will say that we were assisted 690 00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.142 from some excellent investigative journalism. 691 00:43:56.101 --> 00:43:58.312 I just got a call from the news desk saying, 692 00:43:58.312 --> 00:44:00.188 line:5% "We just got something over the wire 693 00:44:00.313 --> 00:44:02.397 line:5% "that said that Epstein's been arrested." 694 00:44:02.397 --> 00:44:04.483 line:5% I was like, oh, you know, it was incredible. 695 00:44:04.483 --> 00:44:06.609 line:5% I was just... I couldn't believe it. 696 00:44:08.736 --> 00:44:10.862 Hi, Mark. It's Grace Tobin. 697 00:44:10.862 --> 00:44:14.032 Thanks so much for taking the time to talk to me today. 698 00:44:14.157 --> 00:44:15.157 Sure. 699 00:44:15.282 --> 00:44:16.784 When your brother was arrested, 700 00:44:16.784 --> 00:44:19.952 can you tell me what that was like, that moment? 701 00:44:19.952 --> 00:44:25.207 Jeffrey gets arrested, you know, we spoke the night before. 702 00:44:25.332 --> 00:44:26.791 He called me from Paris. 703 00:44:26.791 --> 00:44:29.502 Just a normal, you know, "What's new? How you doing?" call. 704 00:44:29.502 --> 00:44:32.670 And then he flies home the next day and he gets arrested. 705 00:44:34.255 --> 00:44:39.425 I wanted to be at his first court appearance the next day. 706 00:44:40.802 --> 00:44:43.637 He looked like such a small man. 707 00:44:43.637 --> 00:44:47.848 You know, small, frail, you know, human being. 708 00:44:47.848 --> 00:44:51.893 Um, just looked lost, quite frankly. 709 00:44:52.018 --> 00:44:54.687 I don't think he ever thought he was going to be rearrested. 710 00:44:54.687 --> 00:44:56.730 Now, yesterday, we were there in court. 711 00:44:56.855 --> 00:44:58.982 His attorneys are arguing that Epstein struck a deal 712 00:44:59.107 --> 00:45:02.484 with federal prosecutors in Florida over similar crimes, 713 00:45:02.484 --> 00:45:04.987 granting him immunity after he pleaded guilty 714 00:45:04.987 --> 00:45:06.987 to a lesser charge. 715 00:45:06.987 --> 00:45:10.532 The US attorney who struck that deal is Alexander Acosta. 716 00:45:11.992 --> 00:45:15.202 At that point, the media started in Washington asking Trump, 717 00:45:15.202 --> 00:45:18.913 "What's going to happen with Alexander Acosta?" 718 00:45:19.038 --> 00:45:20.248 Good afternoon. 719 00:45:20.248 --> 00:45:24.543 And I remember that Acosta did have a press conference. 720 00:45:24.543 --> 00:45:28.879 We believe that we proceeded appropriately. 721 00:45:30.298 --> 00:45:35.426 There was value to getting a guilty plea and having him registered. 722 00:45:35.551 --> 00:45:37.469 Thank you very much. Thank you. 723 00:45:39.429 --> 00:45:42.265 And I just remember listening to him, 724 00:45:42.389 --> 00:45:45.350 thinking, "These are all excuses. 725 00:45:45.350 --> 00:45:47.143 "They don't work anymore." 726 00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:50.229 And apparently it didn't work 727 00:45:50.353 --> 00:45:54.565 because he then, um, you know, resigned. 728 00:45:54.565 --> 00:45:56.942 And so I called the President this morning. 729 00:45:57.067 --> 00:46:01.029 I told him that I thought the right thing was to step aside. 730 00:46:02.071 --> 00:46:03.739 Finally, it seemed like the government 731 00:46:03.739 --> 00:46:05.782 was actually taking this seriously 732 00:46:05.907 --> 00:46:08.993 by charging Epstein with serious crimes, 733 00:46:09.118 --> 00:46:10.869 sex trafficking. 734 00:46:10.869 --> 00:46:14.580 And after that, other victims started to realise, "I'm not alone." 735 00:46:17.833 --> 00:46:21.252 When he was arrested, a lot of us were happy 736 00:46:21.377 --> 00:46:25.631 that there was a second chance for possibly some actual justice, 737 00:46:25.631 --> 00:46:28.758 because what happened in 2008 wasn't justice 738 00:46:28.883 --> 00:46:30.925 or him being held accountable. 739 00:46:30.925 --> 00:46:33.720 And at that point, 740 00:46:33.720 --> 00:46:37.890 line:5% I reached out to the FBI and I was like, uh... 741 00:46:39.015 --> 00:46:40.933 line:5% ..."Here's another one of us," you know? 742 00:46:40.933 --> 00:46:45.771 Um, "And I-I want to be a part of bringing him down." 743 00:47:00.948 --> 00:47:03.075 Jeffrey Epstein was staying at 744 00:47:03.075 --> 00:47:05.077 the rather notorious prison 745 00:47:05.077 --> 00:47:08.913 where people await trial on serious offences 746 00:47:08.913 --> 00:47:11.081 in the Southern District of New York. 747 00:47:13.124 --> 00:47:15.918 The Metropolitan Correctional Centre in Manhattan 748 00:47:15.918 --> 00:47:18.544 is an environment completely foreign to Jeffrey Epstein. 749 00:47:21.214 --> 00:47:22.964 The conditions were filthy. 750 00:47:23.090 --> 00:47:26.134 Rodents, cockroaches all over the place. 751 00:47:27.176 --> 00:47:28.427 I agreed to represent him 752 00:47:28.427 --> 00:47:30.553 and I met with him. 753 00:47:31.680 --> 00:47:33.807 But just before that, there was this incident 754 00:47:33.807 --> 00:47:35.474 in which there was a suggestion 755 00:47:35.474 --> 00:47:36.976 that he tried to commit suicide. 756 00:47:38.269 --> 00:47:40.478 The multi-millionaire and convicted sex offender 757 00:47:40.603 --> 00:47:44.982 is now on suicide watch after he was found injured in his jail cell. 758 00:47:46.108 --> 00:47:48.442 I met with Jeffrey Epstein on August 1st 759 00:47:48.442 --> 00:47:50.194 for about five or six hours. 760 00:47:50.194 --> 00:47:53.738 He denied that he had tried to commit suicide. 761 00:47:54.780 --> 00:47:57.157 The story that he told about what had happened 762 00:47:57.157 --> 00:47:58.700 was that the cellmate he had 763 00:47:58.825 --> 00:48:00.535 forced him to put a rope around his neck, 764 00:48:00.535 --> 00:48:02.703 something, and pulled it, um, 765 00:48:02.828 --> 00:48:04.663 just to see the reaction Epstein would have. 766 00:48:06.580 --> 00:48:08.749 But he told the correctional officers 767 00:48:08.749 --> 00:48:10.291 that he couldn't remember what had happened 768 00:48:10.291 --> 00:48:12.877 because he was afraid if he got that guy in trouble, 769 00:48:13.003 --> 00:48:15.004 that he would have trouble himself. 770 00:48:16.463 --> 00:48:19.674 How was Jeffrey Epstein's mood that day when you look back? 771 00:48:19.799 --> 00:48:23.051 line:5% Good. I mean, he, again, he didn't like being in the jail. 772 00:48:23.176 --> 00:48:26.054 line:5% Um, but he was adamant about wanting to fight the case, 773 00:48:26.054 --> 00:48:27.680 line:5% and he was energised by our meeting. 774 00:48:27.805 --> 00:48:29.849 I think he thought he had a strong legal argument, 775 00:48:29.849 --> 00:48:32.225 for example, on the agreement that he had made 776 00:48:32.350 --> 00:48:35.269 that he felt would have barred his prosecution. 777 00:48:37.229 --> 00:48:38.396 But nine days later, 778 00:48:38.521 --> 00:48:40.690 the last thing I would have imagined at the time happened. 779 00:48:44.276 --> 00:48:45.652 NBC News has learned 780 00:48:45.652 --> 00:48:49.363 that disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein is dead. 781 00:48:49.363 --> 00:48:51.364 Sources telling ABC News 782 00:48:51.364 --> 00:48:55.159 that accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide. 783 00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:57.953 It appeared that he had hung himself 784 00:48:57.953 --> 00:49:02.040 We're trying to figure out if he was still on suicide watch. 785 00:49:03.290 --> 00:49:04.791 It was astonishing. 786 00:49:06.375 --> 00:49:10.420 This is someone who is being prosecuted for historic crimes. 787 00:49:10.420 --> 00:49:13.048 The world's attention is on this. 788 00:49:13.173 --> 00:49:16.675 How is this man allowed to turn up dead? 789 00:49:24.056 --> 00:49:26.933 And then the next thing I know, I hear on the news 790 00:49:27.058 --> 00:49:29.226 that Jeffrey was found dead from an apparent suicide. 791 00:49:30.352 --> 00:49:32.771 And at first, I had... I had no reason to doubt it, 792 00:49:32.896 --> 00:49:34.730 because, you know, he was in jail 793 00:49:34.730 --> 00:49:37.274 and was facing a long time in jail, potentially. 794 00:49:37.399 --> 00:49:40.068 And I knew he wouldn't want to live that way in jail. 795 00:49:40.068 --> 00:49:41.778 So, I had no reason to doubt it 796 00:49:41.903 --> 00:49:43.904 and I accepted that he committed suicide. 797 00:49:45.072 --> 00:49:46.739 Anyway, the next day, I had to come back to New York 798 00:49:46.864 --> 00:49:48.407 to identify his body. 799 00:49:48.407 --> 00:49:50.034 As a family member, I had the right 800 00:49:50.034 --> 00:49:52.244 to have my own pathologist at the autopsy. 801 00:49:52.369 --> 00:49:54.745 You know, just to see everything was done right. 802 00:49:56.163 --> 00:49:59.082 I spoke to his brother, I insisted that the person I consider to be 803 00:49:59.207 --> 00:50:00.959 the top forensic pathologist in the world 804 00:50:01.084 --> 00:50:03.835 participate in an independent autopsy. 805 00:50:05.003 --> 00:50:06.837 So, his name is Michael Baden. 806 00:50:08.255 --> 00:50:12.968 I was medical examiner for the New York State Police for 25 years 807 00:50:13.093 --> 00:50:18.013 and did more than 20,000 autopsies. 808 00:50:19.138 --> 00:50:22.641 In this instance, I was asked to attend the autopsy 809 00:50:22.766 --> 00:50:24.685 that was going to be done the next day. 810 00:50:27.395 --> 00:50:30.939 The history was that he was found having committed suicide 811 00:50:30.939 --> 00:50:33.775 by hanging in his jail cell. 812 00:50:35.526 --> 00:50:37.236 When looking at the body, there was 813 00:50:37.236 --> 00:50:41.322 a little odd situation there because the ligature furrow 814 00:50:41.447 --> 00:50:44.408 around the neck was horizontal. 815 00:50:45.534 --> 00:50:46.784 In a suicidal hanging, 816 00:50:46.784 --> 00:50:49.745 the ligature mark is usually 817 00:50:49.745 --> 00:50:52.622 up the high part of the neck and goes upwards. 818 00:50:52.622 --> 00:50:56.667 And then the moment of surprise, 819 00:50:56.667 --> 00:50:58.960 there were three fractures - 820 00:50:59.085 --> 00:51:01.337 two of the thyroid cartilage, 821 00:51:01.462 --> 00:51:03.505 which is the Adam's apple, 822 00:51:03.630 --> 00:51:07.717 and one of the hyoid bone. 823 00:51:07.717 --> 00:51:11.344 In 50 years of doing this, I've never seen that. 824 00:51:11.469 --> 00:51:13.138 That's much more common, 825 00:51:13.138 --> 00:51:17.850 a crushing injury, in a homicidal strangulation. 826 00:51:17.850 --> 00:51:19.642 So, I think, at that point, 827 00:51:19.767 --> 00:51:24.730 there was concern as to whether it was suicide as thought or not. 828 00:51:26.522 --> 00:51:29.859 So, the medical examiner of New York City, who conducted it, 829 00:51:29.984 --> 00:51:32.444 she said that it was inconclusive - 830 00:51:32.444 --> 00:51:33.904 she couldn't say it was suicide. 831 00:51:37.990 --> 00:51:40.658 But then her boss, three or four days later, 832 00:51:40.658 --> 00:51:43.118 changed it to suicide. 833 00:51:46.537 --> 00:51:49.874 And then, OK, now all kinds of questions start coming up 834 00:51:49.999 --> 00:51:51.333 and wheels start turning. 835 00:51:54.877 --> 00:51:57.671 Barbara Sampson, the chief medical examiner - 836 00:51:57.796 --> 00:51:59.672 and she was not at the autopsy - 837 00:51:59.797 --> 00:52:03.592 and so she comes up with the conclusion of suicide based on what? 838 00:52:03.592 --> 00:52:06.385 line:5% Tonight, Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys questioning 839 00:52:06.510 --> 00:52:09.513 line:5% whether his death was a suicide, saying they will even 840 00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:10.931 line:5% pursue, quote: 841 00:52:18.895 --> 00:52:21.022 line:5% And it turned out somehow, magically, 842 00:52:21.147 --> 00:52:23.190 the cameras malfunctioned that day 843 00:52:23.315 --> 00:52:26.193 or was in a place where the camera didn't reach. 844 00:52:27.568 --> 00:52:29.904 So, this is now a correctional officer taking an inmate down. 845 00:52:30.029 --> 00:52:33.573 This is supposed to be Jeffrey Epstein now. 846 00:52:33.698 --> 00:52:37.910 You're talking about August 9th, at almost 8:00 in the evening. 847 00:52:37.910 --> 00:52:39.536 August 10th is when he was dead. 848 00:52:40.662 --> 00:52:42.121 Do you think it's suspicious 849 00:52:42.121 --> 00:52:44.998 that there's only this one camera angle available? 850 00:52:44.998 --> 00:52:47.166 That that's the only image? 851 00:52:47.166 --> 00:52:50.252 If that's accurate, yes, I do, I think it's suspicious. 852 00:52:50.252 --> 00:52:54.880 And, um, you might say coincidental that the cameras are malfunctioning, 853 00:52:55.005 --> 00:52:57.550 you know, around that time, but pretty unbelievable. 854 00:52:58.341 --> 00:53:00.385 There were so many anomalies that night. 855 00:53:00.385 --> 00:53:03.387 His cellmate had been taken out, 856 00:53:03.512 --> 00:53:05.597 the guards were sleeping, 857 00:53:05.722 --> 00:53:08.307 the cameras were down. 858 00:53:08.307 --> 00:53:12.185 All of these mysterious things fuelled a lot of conspiracy theories. 859 00:53:12.185 --> 00:53:14.270 line:5% There's just no way you can hang yourself 860 00:53:14.395 --> 00:53:16.105 line:5% off of a bunk bed at that height. 861 00:53:16.105 --> 00:53:18.481 I think we have found Jeffrey Epstein's killer. 862 00:53:18.481 --> 00:53:20.692 And it's the most secure federal lockup in the United States, 863 00:53:20.692 --> 00:53:21.734 and he got murdered in it. 864 00:53:21.859 --> 00:53:23.360 Who has the power to do that? 865 00:53:27.572 --> 00:53:31.283 I've been studying conspiracy theories for 15 years. 866 00:53:31.408 --> 00:53:35.202 When I polled Americans asking them what they thought about his death, 867 00:53:35.202 --> 00:53:37.413 half the country thought it was a conspiracy, 868 00:53:37.413 --> 00:53:39.914 that he was killed by people 869 00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:43.959 who were trying to cover up their involvement with him. 870 00:53:43.959 --> 00:53:47.169 And you don't normally get, 871 00:53:47.169 --> 00:53:50.755 uh, conspiracy theories getting half the country to buy in. 872 00:53:50.755 --> 00:53:52.424 Yeah, I don't believe any conspiracy theory, 873 00:53:52.549 --> 00:53:54.675 line:5% but the fact that he wanted to fight this case, 874 00:53:54.675 --> 00:53:57.219 line:5% uh, until the day before he died, 875 00:53:57.219 --> 00:53:59.888 line:5% um, says to me that it's unlikely he committed suicide. 876 00:54:02.514 --> 00:54:04.725 I believe he was murdered. 877 00:54:04.725 --> 00:54:07.435 And if they do a real investigation and they talk to the right people, 878 00:54:07.560 --> 00:54:10.188 they could figure out what actually took place. 879 00:54:12.522 --> 00:54:16.108 Do you believe that Epstein committed suicide? 880 00:54:16.108 --> 00:54:18.735 No. No, I just don't believe it. 881 00:54:18.735 --> 00:54:21.029 Um... no. 882 00:54:21.863 --> 00:54:25.240 line:5% He had only been there for a month. 883 00:54:26.449 --> 00:54:29.243 I just think it was too soon for him to throw in the towel. 884 00:54:32.078 --> 00:54:34.122 From the Jeffrey Epstein that I knew, 885 00:54:34.246 --> 00:54:37.166 no, I don't think he killed himself, I just don't. 886 00:54:37.291 --> 00:54:39.876 And I believe he always thought he was going to get out of it. 887 00:54:39.876 --> 00:54:43.879 line:5% He knew that he wasn't going to get the slap on the wrist this time. 888 00:54:43.879 --> 00:54:47.256 line:5% Uh, very damaging documents in the case came out, 889 00:54:47.256 --> 00:54:50.342 line:5% two days before, he changed his will. 890 00:54:50.467 --> 00:54:53.970 A lot of people think he might have been killed, 891 00:54:53.970 --> 00:54:56.472 others think he killed himself. 892 00:54:56.597 --> 00:54:59.265 I really think he decided to take his life. 893 00:54:59.265 --> 00:55:02.893 That was the last bit of control that he had. 894 00:55:04.978 --> 00:55:07.063 When I heard about that, 895 00:55:07.188 --> 00:55:11.399 I just... I was heartbroken for these girls. 896 00:55:13.318 --> 00:55:15.194 A federal judge has officially dismissed 897 00:55:15.319 --> 00:55:17.488 the criminal case against Jeffrey Epstein. 898 00:55:19.322 --> 00:55:21.324 They have never gotten justice, 899 00:55:21.449 --> 00:55:24.493 and, you know, they didn't deserve this. 900 00:55:27.995 --> 00:55:31.957 I was going through my own feelings in 2019 when he died. 901 00:55:32.082 --> 00:55:34.125 Uh, he was kind of a mentor to me, 902 00:55:34.125 --> 00:55:36.001 but he was also my abuser. 903 00:55:36.001 --> 00:55:38.253 Um, so, it was a very confusing time for me, 904 00:55:38.253 --> 00:55:40.380 and I wanted to know answers about my life. 905 00:55:40.505 --> 00:55:43.340 So I reached out at that time to other survivors 906 00:55:43.340 --> 00:55:45.509 and called Virginia. 907 00:55:46.425 --> 00:55:48.344 I had my first conversation with her. 908 00:55:49.845 --> 00:55:52.472 There's just something that she had in her 909 00:55:52.472 --> 00:55:54.974 that I looked up to 910 00:55:54.974 --> 00:55:59.352 and I really thought was very brave. 911 00:56:03.355 --> 00:56:06.232 We are here in Loxahatchee Groves, 912 00:56:06.232 --> 00:56:09.235 which is a rural part of Palm Beach County, 913 00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:13.488 in which Virginia Roberts Giuffre grew up. 914 00:56:15.156 --> 00:56:17.116 Not terribly affluent. 915 00:56:19.242 --> 00:56:21.327 I was recruited at a very young age 916 00:56:21.327 --> 00:56:26.205 from Mar-a-Lago and entrapped in a world that I didn't understand, 917 00:56:26.330 --> 00:56:28.374 and I've been fighting that very world to this day. 918 00:56:28.499 --> 00:56:31.293 And I won't stop fighting. I will never be silenced. 919 00:56:32.794 --> 00:56:38.298 And here we have Mar-a-Lago, President Trump's, uh, private club. 920 00:56:39.549 --> 00:56:43.510 Virginia Giuffre was a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago, 921 00:56:43.510 --> 00:56:47.722 and Ghislaine Maxwell used to go there for massages. 922 00:56:49.765 --> 00:56:53.935 Ghislaine Maxwell asked her if she wanted to learn to be a masseuse 923 00:56:54.060 --> 00:56:56.312 and to come to Epstein's house, 924 00:56:56.312 --> 00:56:59.647 and that was where she suffered the first abuse. 925 00:57:00.982 --> 00:57:02.983 Do you know Virginia Roberts? 926 00:57:04.151 --> 00:57:05.777 So, she's... Say again, who? 927 00:57:05.903 --> 00:57:07.153 Virginia Roberts. 928 00:57:08.571 --> 00:57:09.489 Can you spell it? 929 00:57:10.947 --> 00:57:13.325 Common spelling. Can you spell it for me, please? 930 00:57:14.909 --> 00:57:17.703 R-O-B-E-R-T-S. 931 00:57:17.703 --> 00:57:21.247 And, just for the record, I can only spell it the way that it was spelled 932 00:57:21.372 --> 00:57:23.999 in your flight logs from your airplane. 933 00:57:26.959 --> 00:57:29.879 Virginia Roberts Giuffre was instrumental 934 00:57:29.879 --> 00:57:31.379 in this story coming forward. 935 00:57:31.379 --> 00:57:34.340 She is the reason, to a very large extent, 936 00:57:34.340 --> 00:57:36.926 that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell 937 00:57:37.051 --> 00:57:38.468 were even prosecuted, 938 00:57:38.593 --> 00:57:42.055 because of the trail, of the public record 939 00:57:42.179 --> 00:57:44.556 that she left in her civil lawsuits. 940 00:57:46.933 --> 00:57:51.269 Virginia Giuffre was not only key in exposing Jeffrey Epstein, 941 00:57:51.394 --> 00:57:54.939 you know, she named names of other people, 942 00:57:55.064 --> 00:57:56.565 such as Prince Andrew. 943 00:57:57.733 --> 00:58:00.276 Abuse allegations that have been plaguing the Prince 944 00:58:00.401 --> 00:58:04.238 for years now laid bare on prime-time TV. 945 00:58:04.238 --> 00:58:07.073 Virginia Roberts Giuffre alleges Prince Andrew 946 00:58:07.073 --> 00:58:11.159 first sexually abused her at Ms Maxwell's London home. 947 00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:12.994 Ghislaine woke me up in the morning and said, 948 00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:14.537 "You're gonna meet a prince today." 949 00:58:15.412 --> 00:58:17.456 I didn't know at that point 950 00:58:17.456 --> 00:58:21.084 line:5% that I was going to be trafficked to that prince. 951 00:58:21.084 --> 00:58:24.336 line:5% And Ghislaine said, "He's coming back to the house, 952 00:58:24.336 --> 00:58:28.214 line:5% "and I want you to do for him what you do for Epstein." 953 00:58:28.214 --> 00:58:30.966 One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts... 954 00:58:30.966 --> 00:58:33.468 Yeah. ..has made allegations against you. 955 00:58:40.306 --> 00:58:42.724 line:5% It's been six years now... Yeah. 956 00:58:42.850 --> 00:58:46.686 ...since that famous, infamous interview with Prince Andrew. 957 00:58:46.811 --> 00:58:49.939 Did you ever think that you would still be talking about it now? 958 00:58:49.939 --> 00:58:53.733 In a way, I wish the whole conversation had started earlier. 959 00:58:53.733 --> 00:58:59.112 You know, we knew when we did it that it had to be a document, 960 00:58:59.237 --> 00:59:01.656 a public record, in case it was ever useful. 961 00:59:04.116 --> 00:59:06.576 He was in the room when I arrived. 962 00:59:06.576 --> 00:59:09.328 He looked ready for it. 963 00:59:09.453 --> 00:59:13.123 He looked like a man who had waited a long time 964 00:59:13.123 --> 00:59:16.000 to kind of get it off his chest, frankly. 965 00:59:16.125 --> 00:59:22.171 There is no good time to talk about Mr Epstein. 966 00:59:22.171 --> 00:59:26.966 My sense is that he thought he was his own best weapon 967 00:59:26.966 --> 00:59:29.343 in terms of killing the story dead. 968 00:59:29.469 --> 00:59:33.054 She says she met you in 2001, 969 00:59:33.054 --> 00:59:35.723 and she went on to have sex with you 970 00:59:35.723 --> 00:59:39.851 in a house in Belgravia belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell. 971 00:59:39.976 --> 00:59:41.519 Didn't happen. 972 00:59:41.644 --> 00:59:43.687 Do you remember her? 973 00:59:43.812 --> 00:59:45.063 No. 974 00:59:45.063 --> 00:59:47.857 He tried to tell me that it was a fake photo. 975 00:59:47.982 --> 00:59:53.195 We can't be certain as to whether or not that's my hand on-on-on her, 976 00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:56.363 uh, whatever it is, left... left side. 977 00:59:56.363 --> 01:00:00.033 He'd worked out his, um, alibi. 978 01:00:00.158 --> 01:00:06.162 I'd taken Beatrice to a PizzaExpress in Woking. 979 01:00:06.287 --> 01:00:08.664 His team had thought it had gone pretty well. 980 01:00:08.790 --> 01:00:11.249 Britain's Prince Andrew is facing backlash 981 01:00:11.249 --> 01:00:13.877 after a widely criticised television interview. 982 01:00:14.002 --> 01:00:18.047 One UK paper calling the Prince entitled and obtuse. 983 01:00:18.047 --> 01:00:20.340 Four days after Newsnight broadcast 984 01:00:20.340 --> 01:00:23.717 its interview with Prince Andrew, he's made this announcement. 985 01:00:23.717 --> 01:00:26.677 "I have asked Her Majesty if I may step back from 986 01:00:26.677 --> 01:00:29.013 "public duties for the foreseeable future, 987 01:00:29.138 --> 01:00:31.264 "and she has given her permission." 988 01:00:31.264 --> 01:00:35.101 The interview that he gave the BBC, 989 01:00:35.101 --> 01:00:38.478 that was beyond disingenuous. 990 01:00:39.813 --> 01:00:42.397 He started his slow decline 991 01:00:42.397 --> 01:00:46.275 to ultimately being stripped of his princehood. 992 01:00:46.401 --> 01:00:49.737 And I think that that was the beginning of the end. 993 01:00:50.654 --> 01:00:53.657 It's... it's an eye for an eye, a scar for a scar. 994 01:00:57.076 --> 01:00:58.910 No matter how much I go through therapy, 995 01:00:59.035 --> 01:01:02.496 I'm embedded with scars that will never leave me, ever. 996 01:01:07.917 --> 01:01:11.128 Virginia Giuffre was also instrumental to 997 01:01:11.253 --> 01:01:14.797 the downfall of the other person in that photograph - Ghislaine Maxwell. 998 01:01:16.799 --> 01:01:21.094 In 2022, Ghislaine Maxwell was sentenced to 20 years in prison 999 01:01:21.219 --> 01:01:23.178 for sex trafficking and other crimes. 1000 01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:29.767 But there was a growing public outrage 1001 01:01:29.767 --> 01:01:34.395 that she was the only person to face consequences in the Epstein scandal. 1002 01:01:34.520 --> 01:01:36.856 People were asking, "What about the men?" 1003 01:01:38.732 --> 01:01:40.650 No-one had brought charges, 1004 01:01:40.775 --> 01:01:45.362 and this was across Republican and Democratic administrations. 1005 01:01:48.906 --> 01:01:53.201 When and how did concerns about Epstein's crimes 1006 01:01:53.201 --> 01:01:57.121 start spilling over into the territory of the public 1007 01:01:57.246 --> 01:01:59.247 really wanting to see the files? 1008 01:01:59.247 --> 01:02:03.375 Donald Trump really was the one who prompted that. 1009 01:02:06.669 --> 01:02:10.213 Then he got to be embroiled in it himself. 1010 01:02:12.257 --> 01:02:13.175 Donald Trump's name 1011 01:02:13.300 --> 01:02:14.925 is all over these files. 1012 01:02:14.925 --> 01:02:17.303 Flight logs show Trump travelled on Epstein's 1013 01:02:17.428 --> 01:02:20.889 private jet many more times than prosecutors were aware. 1014 01:02:24.183 --> 01:02:27.310 line:5% Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump? 1015 01:02:28.603 --> 01:02:30.729 line:5% What do you mean by "personal relationship", sir? 1016 01:02:30.854 --> 01:02:33.940 line:5% Have you socialised with him? Yes, sir. 1017 01:02:34.064 --> 01:02:35.733 line:5% Yes? Yes, sir. 1018 01:02:35.858 --> 01:02:38.651 line:5% Have you ever socialised with Donald Trump 1019 01:02:38.777 --> 01:02:43.822 line:5% in the presence of females under the age of 18? 1020 01:02:47.575 --> 01:02:50.952 line:5% Though I'd like to answer that question, at least today, 1021 01:02:50.952 --> 01:02:52.287 line:5% I'm going to have to assert my 1022 01:02:52.287 --> 01:02:55.331 line:5% Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth Amendment rights, sir. 1023 01:02:57.833 --> 01:03:00.043 It's indisputable that Trump had 1024 01:03:00.043 --> 01:03:03.128 a long-term friendship with Epstein. 1025 01:03:03.253 --> 01:03:04.713 He told the world about it. 1026 01:03:04.838 --> 01:03:08.299 Do you still think Jeffrey Epstein is a terrific guy? 1027 01:03:08.424 --> 01:03:10.675 Well, I knew him, like everybody in Palm Beach knew him. 1028 01:03:10.675 --> 01:03:12.260 I mean, people in Palm Beach knew him. 1029 01:03:12.385 --> 01:03:14.220 He was a fixture in Palm Beach. 1030 01:03:14.345 --> 01:03:16.305 There was the infamous interview 1031 01:03:16.305 --> 01:03:19.682 where he called Epstein a great guy, 1032 01:03:19.682 --> 01:03:22.559 likes women "on the younger side". 1033 01:03:23.602 --> 01:03:27.063 Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday book in 2003 1034 01:03:27.063 --> 01:03:31.191 has a drawing of a nude female figure 1035 01:03:31.191 --> 01:03:32.692 line:5% with Trump's name on it. 1036 01:03:33.819 --> 01:03:35.486 He denies that it's his signature, 1037 01:03:35.611 --> 01:03:37.905 we have multiple handwriting experts 1038 01:03:37.905 --> 01:03:39.864 saying that it is. 1039 01:03:39.989 --> 01:03:41.700 I don't do drawings. 1040 01:03:41.825 --> 01:03:43.450 I'm not a drawing person. 1041 01:03:44.201 --> 01:03:46.369 The fact that he had such a long, 1042 01:03:46.494 --> 01:03:48.704 personal friendship with Epstein 1043 01:03:48.704 --> 01:03:50.706 raises questions about 1044 01:03:50.706 --> 01:03:53.667 what he knew about Epstein's behaviour. 1045 01:03:53.667 --> 01:03:55.793 I had a falling out with him a long time ago. 1046 01:03:55.793 --> 01:03:59.462 I don't think I've spoken to him for 15 years. I wasn't a fan. 1047 01:04:00.672 --> 01:04:02.965 When do you think it was that the Epstein files 1048 01:04:02.965 --> 01:04:06.175 actually started becoming a big problem for President Trump? 1049 01:04:06.175 --> 01:04:11.555 I think it became a problem soon after he assumed office again. 1050 01:04:11.680 --> 01:04:14.056 We are going to drain the swamp, 1051 01:04:14.056 --> 01:04:15.933 and we're going to do it once and for all. 1052 01:04:15.933 --> 01:04:19.519 Prior to his re-election, he had been asked point-blank, 1053 01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:21.730 would you support releasing the files? 1054 01:04:21.730 --> 01:04:24.231 Would you declassify the Epstein files? 1055 01:04:24.356 --> 01:04:26.357 Yeah. Yeah, I would. 1056 01:04:26.357 --> 01:04:30.235 And many of the people around him, they said yes. 1057 01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:32.237 Seriously, we need to release the Epstein list. 1058 01:04:32.237 --> 01:04:33.697 That is an important thing. 1059 01:04:33.822 --> 01:04:37.658 How is it that my father can be convicted of 34 crimes, 1060 01:04:37.658 --> 01:04:42.161 but no-one on Epstein's list has even been brought to light. 1061 01:04:42.286 --> 01:04:44.246 So, this was a campaign promise 1062 01:04:44.246 --> 01:04:46.622 that they had made to their supporters. 1063 01:04:47.373 --> 01:04:50.500 Ghislaine. Look into her father, Robert Maxwell. 1064 01:04:50.625 --> 01:04:53.211 All the answers are right there. Yeah. Because he was a spy. 1065 01:04:53.211 --> 01:04:55.588 Trump built a coalition of followers 1066 01:04:55.588 --> 01:04:58.465 who are very conspiratorial in their world views 1067 01:04:58.465 --> 01:05:02.134 and were already Epstein conspiracy theorists. 1068 01:05:03.177 --> 01:05:05.346 You don't know that she's 16, and she takes you in a room 1069 01:05:05.471 --> 01:05:07.889 and that room is filled with cameras, that's... 1070 01:05:07.889 --> 01:05:09.724 Blackmail. Yeah. 1071 01:05:09.724 --> 01:05:14.435 So, there were fantasies about massive sex-trafficking rings, 1072 01:05:14.435 --> 01:05:16.896 views about blackmail rings, 1073 01:05:16.896 --> 01:05:18.480 and that Epstein was controlling 1074 01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:20.648 all sorts of rich and powerful people. 1075 01:05:20.774 --> 01:05:22.858 I believe very strongly he was a spy, yes. 1076 01:05:22.983 --> 01:05:24.610 And who do you think he was working for? 1077 01:05:24.735 --> 01:05:26.360 The Israelis. 1078 01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:30.489 Trump cosied up to QAnon, and it created a lore around him 1079 01:05:30.614 --> 01:05:34.158 that he was bringing down these evil, powerful people, 1080 01:05:34.283 --> 01:05:36.911 'cause the establishment was entirely corrupt 1081 01:05:36.911 --> 01:05:39.245 and he was the outsider who was going to come in 1082 01:05:39.245 --> 01:05:40.789 and drain the swamp. 1083 01:05:48.670 --> 01:05:50.754 So, early in Trump's second term, 1084 01:05:50.879 --> 01:05:53.799 he appoints Pam Bondi as Attorney-General, 1085 01:05:53.799 --> 01:05:58.593 and she runs with the Epstein story almost immediately. 1086 01:05:58.593 --> 01:06:01.137 This is something Donald Trump has talked about. 1087 01:06:01.137 --> 01:06:05.516 The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients? 1088 01:06:05.516 --> 01:06:08.434 In February of 2025, 1089 01:06:08.434 --> 01:06:10.143 Bondi goes out and says 1090 01:06:10.268 --> 01:06:15.773 that she has the Epstein files and the client list on her desk. 1091 01:06:15.773 --> 01:06:18.858 It's sitting on my desk right now, to review. 1092 01:06:18.858 --> 01:06:21.361 That's been a directive by President Trump. 1093 01:06:21.361 --> 01:06:24.989 Then there's a 180-degree reversal. 1094 01:06:26.406 --> 01:06:28.616 There's the release of the July memo 1095 01:06:28.616 --> 01:06:31.827 from the FBI and the Department of Justice. 1096 01:06:31.952 --> 01:06:34.662 And the July memo says an extraordinary thing. 1097 01:06:34.787 --> 01:06:36.831 It says that there are more than 1098 01:06:36.956 --> 01:06:40.291 a thousand survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's abuse, 1099 01:06:40.291 --> 01:06:42.876 and then says there's nothing to investigate, 1100 01:06:42.876 --> 01:06:45.212 there's nothing to release, 1101 01:06:45.212 --> 01:06:46.671 turn the other way. 1102 01:06:47.839 --> 01:06:49.841 There was, quote, "No client list 1103 01:06:49.966 --> 01:06:52.509 "or evidence that he blackmailed prominent figures," 1104 01:06:52.509 --> 01:06:54.969 according to a memo detailing the findings. 1105 01:06:55.094 --> 01:06:58.680 The review also concluded that Epstein died by suicide 1106 01:06:58.680 --> 01:07:00.974 while in custody at a Manhattan correctional facility. 1107 01:07:00.974 --> 01:07:05.102 That memo just sent shock waves throughout the American ether, 1108 01:07:05.102 --> 01:07:08.688 especially with the MAGA base who was so invested. 1109 01:07:08.688 --> 01:07:11.064 All those videos are saying, "Yeah, she's seen the videos, 1110 01:07:11.189 --> 01:07:12.482 "it's all coming out." 1111 01:07:12.482 --> 01:07:14.650 And then now it doesn't exist. I mean, what? What?! 1112 01:07:14.650 --> 01:07:17.278 Joe, wanna check the tweet that Elon just put out? 1113 01:07:17.278 --> 01:07:19.154 "Time to drop the really big bomb. 1114 01:07:19.154 --> 01:07:21.406 "Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. 1115 01:07:21.406 --> 01:07:23.574 "That's the real reason they have not been made public." 1116 01:07:23.699 --> 01:07:26.075 The Jeffrey Epstein case has caused backlash 1117 01:07:26.075 --> 01:07:27.243 within President Trump's base, 1118 01:07:27.243 --> 01:07:30.412 fuelling conspiracy theories that more details exist 1119 01:07:30.412 --> 01:07:32.414 but are being hidden from the public. 1120 01:07:33.540 --> 01:07:35.374 I'm not gonna play with these anymore. 1121 01:07:35.374 --> 01:07:37.126 MAGA hats are off. 1122 01:07:44.256 --> 01:07:46.049 Burn, baby, burn. 1123 01:07:46.174 --> 01:07:49.427 And this is a great representation of what's left of MAGA. 1124 01:07:50.927 --> 01:07:54.221 I think the President always felt like he could control his MAGA base, 1125 01:07:54.221 --> 01:07:55.681 but it's the influencers 1126 01:07:55.681 --> 01:07:58.350 who have also really kept this story alive 1127 01:07:58.350 --> 01:08:00.435 and have been very critical of him. 1128 01:08:00.435 --> 01:08:02.645 We voted for Trump because we wanted justice, 1129 01:08:02.770 --> 01:08:05.564 and justice involves actually holding accountable 1130 01:08:05.689 --> 01:08:07.482 the people who committed that wrongdoing. 1131 01:08:18.198 --> 01:08:20.408 It just continued and continued, 1132 01:08:20.408 --> 01:08:23.535 and the President himself kept calling it a hoax. 1133 01:08:23.535 --> 01:08:25.621 Well, I haven't been overly interested in it. 1134 01:08:25.621 --> 01:08:27.205 You know, it's something... 1135 01:08:27.205 --> 01:08:29.916 It's a hoax that's been built up way beyond proportion. 1136 01:08:30.040 --> 01:08:32.626 I know it's a hoax. It's started by Democrats. 1137 01:08:32.751 --> 01:08:34.210 When you call something a hoax, 1138 01:08:34.210 --> 01:08:36.337 and yet people know that there's a tremendous amount of evidence 1139 01:08:36.462 --> 01:08:37.713 out there that it's not a hoax, 1140 01:08:37.713 --> 01:08:40.548 it makes them only want to know more about it. 1141 01:08:40.548 --> 01:08:42.466 line:5% The President writing on social media: 1142 01:08:52.140 --> 01:08:53.809 Some stupid Republicans 1143 01:08:53.934 --> 01:08:56.310 and foolish Republicans fall into the net. 1144 01:08:56.310 --> 01:08:57.977 I call it the Epstein hoax. 1145 01:09:01.815 --> 01:09:03.440 Hello? Hi. Come on in. Hi. 1146 01:09:03.565 --> 01:09:04.775 Marjorie. Yes, hello. 1147 01:09:04.900 --> 01:09:07.068 Hi, I'm Grace Tobin. Nice to meet you. 1148 01:09:07.193 --> 01:09:10.779 Nice to meet you, too. Grab a seat under this big ball light. 1149 01:09:10.779 --> 01:09:12.489 Yeah, that's quite a light. I know, isn't it? 1150 01:09:12.489 --> 01:09:13.824 Oh, my gosh. Yeah. 1151 01:09:15.533 --> 01:09:18.994 Do you think that these supporters are losing heart and losing trust 1152 01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:22.329 in President Trump now because of the Epstein files? 1153 01:09:22.329 --> 01:09:24.331 Many of them, yes. 1154 01:09:24.456 --> 01:09:26.916 It was a line in the sand for them. 1155 01:09:26.916 --> 01:09:29.627 They couldn't understand it the same way I couldn't understand it. 1156 01:09:29.627 --> 01:09:31.461 Why would he cover this up? 1157 01:09:31.586 --> 01:09:33.797 And that was, um... 1158 01:09:35.297 --> 01:09:39.134 That was something that none of us ever expected from President Trump. 1159 01:09:46.889 --> 01:09:50.517 I'm Rick Frazier, and I presently live in St Marys, Ohio. 1160 01:09:50.642 --> 01:09:52.269 Mmm. It's good. 1161 01:09:52.269 --> 01:09:53.978 Mm. Strong? Good coffee. 1162 01:09:55.563 --> 01:10:00.358 I'm a front-row Joe, and I'd show up five, six days ahead of time 1163 01:10:00.483 --> 01:10:02.067 to one of his rallies. 1164 01:10:02.192 --> 01:10:03.986 It's very quick, but it's brutal. 1165 01:10:03.986 --> 01:10:06.821 I still worked hard to help Trump, you know, get elected. 1166 01:10:08.781 --> 01:10:12.701 But, to be honest with you, it pisses me off that - 1167 01:10:12.701 --> 01:10:14.285 if I can use that language - 1168 01:10:14.285 --> 01:10:16.787 that on one hand, 1169 01:10:16.787 --> 01:10:20.040 we were promised by the President that this is gonna happen. 1170 01:10:21.082 --> 01:10:22.541 Then, on the other hand, 1171 01:10:22.666 --> 01:10:25.628 he turns around and it didn't happen. 1172 01:10:25.753 --> 01:10:29.756 I can't see why he... who he's protecting. 1173 01:10:29.756 --> 01:10:32.466 I honestly, in my mind, don't think he's involved. 1174 01:10:32.466 --> 01:10:34.842 You can be in pictures with anyone, 1175 01:10:34.967 --> 01:10:38.011 but until we got transparency, how do we know? 1176 01:10:44.266 --> 01:10:46.726 There is new pressure on the Trump Administration 1177 01:10:46.726 --> 01:10:49.896 from Republicans looking into the Jeffrey Epstein case. 1178 01:10:49.896 --> 01:10:52.481 Donald Trump is aimed at one of his own, 1179 01:10:52.481 --> 01:10:55.316 Republican congressman Thomas Massie. 1180 01:10:55.316 --> 01:10:58.485 This moron Thomas Massie, 1181 01:10:58.485 --> 01:11:00.695 there's something wrong with him. 1182 01:11:05.658 --> 01:11:09.035 When did you first start becoming concerned 1183 01:11:09.035 --> 01:11:11.787 about what's now known as the Epstein files? 1184 01:11:11.787 --> 01:11:14.997 So, it started a couple years ago for me, 1185 01:11:15.122 --> 01:11:17.541 and it really came to the forefront 1186 01:11:17.541 --> 01:11:20.710 when President Trump and people in his Cabinet 1187 01:11:20.835 --> 01:11:23.545 promised that they were going to release these files. 1188 01:11:23.545 --> 01:11:26.547 But none of them followed through on their promise, 1189 01:11:26.673 --> 01:11:28.883 which became suspicious to me. 1190 01:11:30.092 --> 01:11:33.262 My Democrat colleague Ro Khanna, from California, 1191 01:11:33.387 --> 01:11:35.596 cares about the victims, 1192 01:11:35.596 --> 01:11:38.723 and so I reached out to him and said, 1193 01:11:38.848 --> 01:11:42.935 "Ro, um, if I do a discharge petition, 1194 01:11:42.935 --> 01:11:48.690 "do you think you could get every single Democrat to sign it?" 1195 01:11:48.690 --> 01:11:51.608 And he did deliver on that promise. 1196 01:11:52.943 --> 01:11:55.528 Democrat Ro Khanna and Republican Thomas Massie 1197 01:11:55.528 --> 01:11:57.530 are leading a bipartisan push in the House 1198 01:11:57.530 --> 01:11:59.072 for the release of the Epstein files. 1199 01:11:59.072 --> 01:12:01.783 People feel that the rich and the powerful 1200 01:12:01.908 --> 01:12:04.076 have been not held accountable, 1201 01:12:04.076 --> 01:12:06.202 that they have a different set of rules, 1202 01:12:06.202 --> 01:12:08.705 and that there may be government officials involved. 1203 01:12:08.705 --> 01:12:12.124 Thomas Massie just filed a discharge petition 1204 01:12:12.249 --> 01:12:15.042 to force this vote on releasing the files. 1205 01:12:15.042 --> 01:12:16.752 That's something that Speaker Mike Johnson 1206 01:12:16.877 --> 01:12:18.795 has really been trying to avoid. 1207 01:12:18.795 --> 01:12:21.089 The White House has warned Republicans 1208 01:12:21.089 --> 01:12:22.756 not to side with Massie. 1209 01:12:22.881 --> 01:12:25.342 Even a White House official telling reporters last night 1210 01:12:25.467 --> 01:12:28.136 that this would be viewed as an act of hostility. 1211 01:12:33.223 --> 01:12:37.310 Well, I have a 98% voting record with the President, 1212 01:12:37.310 --> 01:12:40.228 was one of his most loyal defenders. 1213 01:12:40.228 --> 01:12:43.897 Marjorie Taylor Greene, please come up. Come. 1214 01:12:43.897 --> 01:12:46.316 MTG! MTG! 1215 01:12:46.441 --> 01:12:47.901 Thank you, Mr President. 1216 01:12:47.901 --> 01:12:51.987 Alright, Georgia, we know what we're going to do in 2024. 1217 01:12:52.112 --> 01:12:56.115 He was angry at me for siding with Thomas Massie 1218 01:12:56.115 --> 01:12:58.116 and signing on the discharge petition. 1219 01:12:58.241 --> 01:13:00.785 To me, it was a matter of right and wrong 1220 01:13:00.911 --> 01:13:02.620 and standing up for these women. 1221 01:13:02.745 --> 01:13:05.623 The greatest president in United States history, 1222 01:13:05.748 --> 01:13:08.124 Donald J. Trump, right, Georgia? 1223 01:13:11.418 --> 01:13:12.669 Marjorie Taylor Greene, 1224 01:13:12.669 --> 01:13:14.795 she's the female version of Donald Trump. 1225 01:13:14.795 --> 01:13:16.881 She was full-blood MAGA. 1226 01:13:17.006 --> 01:13:20.759 So, for her to be one of the people to stand up against him 1227 01:13:20.759 --> 01:13:24.803 is very significant in American politics. 1228 01:13:24.929 --> 01:13:27.889 He was losing control of the situation. 1229 01:13:29.807 --> 01:13:32.851 When you sign that discharge petition, 1230 01:13:32.976 --> 01:13:36.270 afterwards you took a phone call with President Trump. 1231 01:13:36.395 --> 01:13:40.190 He said that it was going to hurt people that he knew. 1232 01:13:40.315 --> 01:13:41.691 What people? 1233 01:13:41.691 --> 01:13:44.693 I don't know. I still don't know that to this day. 1234 01:13:44.693 --> 01:13:48.029 But the way he treated me and the names that he called me, 1235 01:13:48.154 --> 01:13:51.198 sent death threats upon me and then my children. 1236 01:13:58.286 --> 01:14:00.163 This is my fifth year in Congress 1237 01:14:00.163 --> 01:14:02.456 and this is the largest press conference 1238 01:14:02.456 --> 01:14:04.875 that I've seen since I've been here. 1239 01:14:04.875 --> 01:14:07.210 As people like Marjorie Taylor Greene 1240 01:14:07.210 --> 01:14:11.213 started getting involved, the snowball started rolling. 1241 01:14:11.338 --> 01:14:13.632 This is not about politics, 1242 01:14:13.757 --> 01:14:17.176 this is a boiling point in American history. 1243 01:14:17.301 --> 01:14:19.844 We see some very effective advocacy 1244 01:14:19.844 --> 01:14:22.221 on behalf of the victims themselves. 1245 01:14:22.221 --> 01:14:25.015 Why did he get away with it in 2008? 1246 01:14:25.015 --> 01:14:27.976 Why was Jeffrey Epstein so protected? 1247 01:14:27.976 --> 01:14:30.060 Why was Maxwell the only one held accountable 1248 01:14:30.060 --> 01:14:31.853 when so many others played a role? 1249 01:14:31.979 --> 01:14:33.855 Let the public know the truth. 1250 01:14:35.231 --> 01:14:38.108 I speak today not only in service of my own recovery, 1251 01:14:38.233 --> 01:14:42.194 but to honour the lives, the courage and sacrifices 1252 01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:44.697 of Virginia Giuffre 1253 01:14:44.697 --> 01:14:46.447 and others who could not continue. 1254 01:14:48.741 --> 01:14:52.202 Victims of the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein 1255 01:14:52.327 --> 01:14:54.579 have paid tribute to Virginia Giuffre 1256 01:14:54.579 --> 01:14:56.998 at a rally in Washington, DC. 1257 01:14:57.123 --> 01:14:59.916 She took her own life in April this year. 1258 01:15:01.334 --> 01:15:03.669 It made me very sad when she passed. 1259 01:15:04.837 --> 01:15:08.715 This sort of damage, you can stuff it down for years and years, 1260 01:15:08.715 --> 01:15:11.174 but the effects will always catch up. 1261 01:15:11.174 --> 01:15:14.218 Virginia said it best, and I quote, 1262 01:15:14.218 --> 01:15:17.388 "They say time can heal, but this won't. 1263 01:15:17.513 --> 01:15:20.557 "Not until the justice system makes an example out of these people 1264 01:15:20.557 --> 01:15:22.391 "with so-called privileges. 1265 01:15:22.516 --> 01:15:24.643 "I just call it money." 1266 01:15:24.643 --> 01:15:25.935 People believe her now. 1267 01:15:26.853 --> 01:15:28.229 I mean, she won... 1268 01:15:29.397 --> 01:15:30.939 ...in a sad way. 1269 01:15:37.069 --> 01:15:40.614 So we gather here on the steps of the Capitol 1270 01:15:40.739 --> 01:15:42.990 to confront these corrupt forces. 1271 01:15:44.408 --> 01:15:49.579 We know we have 212 Democrats and we have four Republicans, 1272 01:15:49.704 --> 01:15:51.371 courageous Republicans. 1273 01:15:51.371 --> 01:15:55.124 The only supporters that I got from my discharge petition 1274 01:15:55.249 --> 01:15:58.293 on the Republican side of the aisle were all women. 1275 01:15:58.418 --> 01:15:59.794 Marjorie Taylor Greene, 1276 01:15:59.794 --> 01:16:01.588 Lauren Boebert and Nancy Mace. 1277 01:16:03.005 --> 01:16:07.133 They were woken up at 5am in the morning with the President saying, 1278 01:16:07.258 --> 01:16:08.968 "F this, F that. 1279 01:16:09.093 --> 01:16:11.470 "Get your effing name off of this thing." 1280 01:16:11.595 --> 01:16:14.931 But, to their credit, all three of those women stayed strong. 1281 01:16:16.432 --> 01:16:19.768 There was a time when few believed 1282 01:16:19.768 --> 01:16:24.438 that they would actually be able to get the passage of these files. 1283 01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:28.733 And it was only after it became very clear 1284 01:16:28.733 --> 01:16:31.109 that Trump was going to lose on this vote, 1285 01:16:31.235 --> 01:16:35.238 then finally he claimed to support it. 1286 01:16:36.405 --> 01:16:39.783 We've done a great job, and I hate to see that, 1287 01:16:39.783 --> 01:16:43.244 uh, deflect from the great job we've done. 1288 01:16:43.244 --> 01:16:45.454 So I'm all for it. 1289 01:16:45.579 --> 01:16:49.374 What eventually happened was a nearly unanimous vote. 1290 01:16:50.165 --> 01:16:54.961 The yeas are 427, the nays are one. 1291 01:16:54.961 --> 01:16:56.712 The bill is passed, 1292 01:16:56.712 --> 01:17:00.924 and without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. 1293 01:17:05.761 --> 01:17:09.639 Mr Speaker, today is an extraordinary day in this chamber. 1294 01:17:09.639 --> 01:17:13.016 This is about the powerless 1295 01:17:13.141 --> 01:17:18.770 taking power away from the very powerful. 1296 01:17:18.770 --> 01:17:21.439 When Trump backflipped on it, 1297 01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:23.440 the survivors won. 1298 01:17:23.440 --> 01:17:27.652 The Senate has passed the bill under unanimous consent! 1299 01:17:32.531 --> 01:17:34.198 The bill forces the Justice Department 1300 01:17:34.323 --> 01:17:37.577 to release Epstein file documents within 30 days. 1301 01:17:57.633 --> 01:18:01.052 Once the Epstein Files Transparency Act became law, 1302 01:18:01.177 --> 01:18:04.513 there was a deadline - December 19th - 1303 01:18:04.513 --> 01:18:06.389 for the release of everything. 1304 01:18:06.514 --> 01:18:09.225 Deputy Attorney-General Todd Blanche says, however, 1305 01:18:09.350 --> 01:18:12.227 several hundred thousand pages of records will be made public, 1306 01:18:12.227 --> 01:18:14.604 with more to come in the coming weeks. 1307 01:18:14.604 --> 01:18:15.688 Hundreds of thousands... 1308 01:18:15.688 --> 01:18:17.315 I could sit at home 1309 01:18:17.315 --> 01:18:19.232 and just stay on the couch and not be involved, 1310 01:18:19.232 --> 01:18:23.110 but being here is historic. 1311 01:18:24.111 --> 01:18:26.196 We got a few hours till we find out. 1312 01:18:26.196 --> 01:18:28.740 But we're talking about a tonnage of information 1313 01:18:28.865 --> 01:18:31.700 that may take some time just to process. 1314 01:18:31.700 --> 01:18:34.243 The Justice Department has now begun 1315 01:18:34.368 --> 01:18:37.205 the release of the Epstein files. 1316 01:18:38.830 --> 01:18:44.877 The first release was a blip on the radar, not even that. 1317 01:18:44.877 --> 01:18:47.253 There was a picture of Bill Clinton. 1318 01:18:47.378 --> 01:18:49.672 There was very little about Donald Trump. 1319 01:18:49.672 --> 01:18:54.217 It was widely regarded to have few major revelations. 1320 01:18:55.384 --> 01:18:59.095 At least 550 pages were fully redacted. 1321 01:18:59.095 --> 01:19:01.097 We have just a fraction right now 1322 01:19:01.097 --> 01:19:02.807 of what is believed to exist. 1323 01:19:02.807 --> 01:19:03.891 It failed, in our book. 1324 01:19:04.016 --> 01:19:05.226 We haven't received full transparency, 1325 01:19:05.226 --> 01:19:07.310 and it's an incomplete release of the files. 1326 01:19:10.062 --> 01:19:12.689 That must be his... his prison cell. 1327 01:19:12.689 --> 01:19:17.109 I'm pretty disappointed since we were told transparency, 1328 01:19:17.235 --> 01:19:19.236 and we're not really seeing it. 1329 01:19:19.236 --> 01:19:21.571 And if that's the best they're gonna do, 1330 01:19:21.571 --> 01:19:23.739 I don't think we're ever gonna get to the truth. 1331 01:19:26.574 --> 01:19:29.035 This was a slap in the face of survivors. 1332 01:19:29.160 --> 01:19:32.412 They're flouting the spirit and the letter of the law. 1333 01:19:32.538 --> 01:19:37.083 People kept trying to push for the release of the files, 1334 01:19:37.083 --> 01:19:39.417 and six weeks later, all of a sudden, 1335 01:19:39.543 --> 01:19:43.420 3.5 million documents hit the public. 1336 01:19:45.631 --> 01:19:47.757 3 million pages of documents, 1337 01:19:47.757 --> 01:19:51.260 180,000 images and 2,000 videos. 1338 01:19:51.385 --> 01:19:53.387 The latest release of files related to 1339 01:19:53.387 --> 01:19:55.930 the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein is shocking 1340 01:19:55.930 --> 01:19:58.306 in its size and its content. 1341 01:19:58.431 --> 01:20:01.226 Of the 180,000 images released, 1342 01:20:01.351 --> 01:20:03.435 these pictures of the King's brother 1343 01:20:03.435 --> 01:20:05.604 seem to be what everyone is talking about. 1344 01:20:05.729 --> 01:20:09.649 Police are assessing claims Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor 1345 01:20:09.774 --> 01:20:13.277 shared confidential reports with Jeffrey Epstein. 1346 01:20:14.444 --> 01:20:18.280 All of a sudden, there are global investigations in Europe. 1347 01:20:19.448 --> 01:20:21.158 Active investigations are now under way 1348 01:20:21.283 --> 01:20:23.284 in at least 10 countries. 1349 01:20:23.409 --> 01:20:26.327 Poland has launched a probe into the Epstein files 1350 01:20:26.327 --> 01:20:29.789 in a search of any potential victims from that country. 1351 01:20:29.913 --> 01:20:32.082 line:5% In Europe, the former prime minister of Norway 1352 01:20:32.082 --> 01:20:34.500 line:5% has been charged with gross corruption. 1353 01:20:34.625 --> 01:20:36.961 Poland's prime minister also says his country 1354 01:20:36.961 --> 01:20:38.670 would investigate possible links between 1355 01:20:38.795 --> 01:20:40.088 the convicted sex offender 1356 01:20:40.088 --> 01:20:42.173 and Russian intelligence services. 1357 01:20:43.090 --> 01:20:46.009 The people who maintained a friendship with Epstein, 1358 01:20:46.009 --> 01:20:48.094 communications that they thought were private 1359 01:20:48.094 --> 01:20:52.139 are now filling the pages of newspapers internationally. 1360 01:20:53.724 --> 01:20:56.309 My gosh, was this embarrassing? 1361 01:20:56.309 --> 01:20:58.143 Can we start with Peter Attia? 1362 01:21:07.942 --> 01:21:10.611 Good Lord, another very prominent person 1363 01:21:10.611 --> 01:21:12.988 caught up in all this is Bill Gates, of course. 1364 01:21:13.113 --> 01:21:14.739 Claims that he picked up 1365 01:21:14.739 --> 01:21:18.033 a sexually transmitted disease from a Russian woman. 1366 01:21:18.158 --> 01:21:20.285 He's denied that publicly. 1367 01:21:20.285 --> 01:21:22.578 We have this footage where Steve Bannon 1368 01:21:22.578 --> 01:21:27.165 is interviewing Epstein to try to rehabilitate Epstein's image. 1369 01:21:27.290 --> 01:21:29.083 At the same time, people are making sense 1370 01:21:29.083 --> 01:21:30.792 of the 3.5 million files, 1371 01:21:30.792 --> 01:21:35.463 there's Congress, who is continuing to investigate this 1372 01:21:35.463 --> 01:21:37.839 and continuing to call witnesses, 1373 01:21:37.839 --> 01:21:39.758 including the Attorney-General. 1374 01:21:44.595 --> 01:21:46.471 Alright, getting back to our breaking news, 1375 01:21:46.471 --> 01:21:48.640 Attorney-General Pam Bondi is set to testify 1376 01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:51.558 before the House Judiciary Committee at any moment now. 1377 01:21:51.683 --> 01:21:53.976 Survivors say their identities were exposed 1378 01:21:53.976 --> 01:21:55.770 because of inadequate redaction. 1379 01:21:57.688 --> 01:21:59.648 Well, right now, we're heading over to the Capitol. 1380 01:21:59.648 --> 01:22:04.193 line:5% I have a meeting with Congressman Lou Correa. 1381 01:22:04.318 --> 01:22:08.530 After that, we'll be heading over to Pam Bondi's hearing. 1382 01:22:18.286 --> 01:22:20.163 We have Congress working on our side, 1383 01:22:20.163 --> 01:22:22.790 and, you know, they want answers just as much as we do. 1384 01:22:24.458 --> 01:22:26.709 Hi. Nice to meet you. Hi. 1385 01:22:26.835 --> 01:22:29.003 Hi. Lisa. Nice to meet you. Pleasure meeting you. 1386 01:22:29.003 --> 01:22:31.213 Come on in. We have a camera guy following us. 1387 01:22:31.213 --> 01:22:33.632 Oh, my, I should have put my tie on. 1388 01:22:40.011 --> 01:22:42.096 line:5% I wanna take a moment to acknowledge 1389 01:22:42.221 --> 01:22:45.057 line:5% the Epstein survivors who are here today. 1390 01:22:45.057 --> 01:22:48.351 I am deeply sorry for what any victim, 1391 01:22:48.351 --> 01:22:51.270 any victim has been through. 1392 01:22:51.395 --> 01:22:57.275 line:5% Attorney-General Bondi, will you turn to them now and apologise 1393 01:22:57.275 --> 01:23:02.111 line:5% for what your Department of Justice has put them through 1394 01:23:02.111 --> 01:23:05.281 with the absolutely unacceptable release of 1395 01:23:05.406 --> 01:23:08.366 the Epstein files and their information. 1396 01:23:17.290 --> 01:23:20.959 I was pretty shocked that she just didn't even turn her head, 1397 01:23:21.084 --> 01:23:24.253 just not even just a little bit just to acknowledge. 1398 01:23:24.253 --> 01:23:26.087 It doesn't even have to be an apology, 1399 01:23:26.087 --> 01:23:28.214 but to acknowledge that we were there 1400 01:23:28.214 --> 01:23:30.758 and that we represent 1,200 survivors. 1401 01:23:33.218 --> 01:23:35.428 line:5% To my right is an email 1402 01:23:35.428 --> 01:23:38.305 line:5% that was sent by the victims' lawyers to the DOJ. 1403 01:23:38.430 --> 01:23:40.849 line:5% It was a list of names not to release. 1404 01:23:40.974 --> 01:23:43.476 They released this email! 1405 01:23:43.601 --> 01:23:47.937 Literally the worst thing you could do to the survivors, you did. 1406 01:23:47.937 --> 01:23:49.938 And we know you touched the document 1407 01:23:50.064 --> 01:23:51.607 because you redacted the lawyer's name, 1408 01:23:51.607 --> 01:23:53.816 but you left the survivor's name there. 1409 01:23:53.941 --> 01:23:57.028 So, I really have just one question for you. 1410 01:23:57.153 --> 01:24:00.363 line:5% How many of Epstein's co-conspirators have you indicted? 1411 01:24:00.363 --> 01:24:04.450 line:5% How many perpetrators are you even investigating? 1412 01:24:04.450 --> 01:24:06.993 First, you showed a... 1413 01:24:07.118 --> 01:24:09.120 I find it... How many have you indicted? 1414 01:24:09.245 --> 01:24:11.288 Excuse me, I'm gonna answer the question. 1415 01:24:11.288 --> 01:24:12.331 Answer my question. 1416 01:24:12.331 --> 01:24:13.624 No, I'm gonna answer the question 1417 01:24:13.624 --> 01:24:15.458 the way I want to answer the question. 1418 01:24:15.583 --> 01:24:17.793 No, you can answer the question... Your theatrics are ridiculous. 1419 01:24:17.793 --> 01:24:18.960 ...the way I asked it. 1420 01:24:21.837 --> 01:24:25.674 I really got to see, like, in the flesh, in person, 1421 01:24:25.799 --> 01:24:27.300 like, wow... 1422 01:24:28.718 --> 01:24:32.554 ...they really are turning a blind eye to this for whatever reason. 1423 01:24:32.554 --> 01:24:35.681 And it only makes you think that there's got to be a real reason why, 1424 01:24:35.807 --> 01:24:36.891 right? 1425 01:24:39.059 --> 01:24:42.645 Madam Attorney-General, will you meet with survivors after this? 1426 01:24:42.770 --> 01:24:45.980 You're a disgrace to the legal profession and to women. 1427 01:24:45.980 --> 01:24:49.317 What a shame you are! Shameful person! 1428 01:24:51.777 --> 01:24:54.654 Are you looking at the reaction 1429 01:24:54.779 --> 01:24:57.365 in Europe and the UK and other parts of the world 1430 01:24:57.490 --> 01:25:00.200 and scratching your head with what's going on here? 1431 01:25:00.200 --> 01:25:04.286 Yes. And I see a different attitude overseas. 1432 01:25:04.286 --> 01:25:08.206 The untouchables are touchable now. 1433 01:25:08.957 --> 01:25:11.375 Breaking news about Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor. 1434 01:25:11.500 --> 01:25:15.086 The BBC understands that he has been arrested on suspicion 1435 01:25:15.086 --> 01:25:17.296 of misconduct in public office. 1436 01:25:17.296 --> 01:25:19.506 It comes weeks after the Justice Department 1437 01:25:19.631 --> 01:25:21.633 released emails Andrew allegedly sent to 1438 01:25:21.633 --> 01:25:25.344 the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, in 2010. 1439 01:25:26.469 --> 01:25:29.514 I think for several years 1440 01:25:29.639 --> 01:25:32.349 we'd always imagined that it could come to this place 1441 01:25:32.474 --> 01:25:33.642 and he was arrested, 1442 01:25:33.642 --> 01:25:36.519 and I still found myself absolutely speechless 1443 01:25:36.519 --> 01:25:38.520 for the first couple of hours. 1444 01:25:38.645 --> 01:25:41.356 Andrew was serving as a UK trade envoy at the time, 1445 01:25:41.356 --> 01:25:43.149 and appears to have forwarded Epstein 1446 01:25:43.149 --> 01:25:45.651 British government documents on trade policy. 1447 01:25:45.651 --> 01:25:48.111 But this wasn't the story that we were following at all, 1448 01:25:48.111 --> 01:25:49.903 this was something completely different. 1449 01:25:50.029 --> 01:25:54.157 Now Peter Mandelson, who was the UK ambassador to the US, 1450 01:25:54.157 --> 01:25:55.908 has also now been arrested. 1451 01:25:56.034 --> 01:25:59.494 And, you know, it's fascinating to see how far this chain will go. 1452 01:25:59.619 --> 01:26:02.288 We are probably only at the very beginning. 1453 01:26:03.205 --> 01:26:05.249 Over two dozen people have resigned - 1454 01:26:05.249 --> 01:26:08.376 CEOs, members of government worldwide - 1455 01:26:08.501 --> 01:26:11.420 but I haven't seen any arrests or investigations 1456 01:26:11.420 --> 01:26:15.089 here in the United States from this Department of Justice. 1457 01:26:16.215 --> 01:26:20.218 As an American journalist looking at everything happening in Europe, 1458 01:26:20.218 --> 01:26:24.138 this is how sophisticated democracies react 1459 01:26:24.138 --> 01:26:25.639 to alarming information - 1460 01:26:25.639 --> 01:26:26.723 they investigate. 1461 01:26:26.848 --> 01:26:29.434 I have nothing to hide. I've been exonerated. 1462 01:26:29.559 --> 01:26:31.977 I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. 1463 01:26:31.977 --> 01:26:35.104 What we're seeing in the United States is 1464 01:26:35.229 --> 01:26:37.523 Trump's Justice Department trying to say 1465 01:26:37.648 --> 01:26:39.691 that there is nothing to see here. 1466 01:26:39.691 --> 01:26:41.859 Is there evidence that Jeffrey Epstein 1467 01:26:41.859 --> 01:26:45.071 was trafficking girls to other powerful men? 1468 01:26:45.196 --> 01:26:48.406 According to the Associated Press's review of the files, 1469 01:26:48.531 --> 01:26:49.990 the FBI says no. 1470 01:26:51.742 --> 01:26:55.161 In regards to the sex trafficking and the abuse, 1471 01:26:55.286 --> 01:26:57.538 do you personally know of evidence 1472 01:26:57.538 --> 01:27:01.333 that exists within the Department of Justice, 1473 01:27:01.333 --> 01:27:04.960 within the FBI, that has not come out yet? 1474 01:27:05.086 --> 01:27:07.587 I do. I do. 1475 01:27:11.882 --> 01:27:14.384 You know, when you have different girls 1476 01:27:14.384 --> 01:27:18.512 telling the same stories, corroborating each other... 1477 01:27:19.638 --> 01:27:22.098 ...that's powerful, really powerful. 1478 01:27:22.223 --> 01:27:24.100 So, and again, 1479 01:27:24.100 --> 01:27:28.686 I think we have to believe victims and survivors of this sort of thing. 1480 01:27:30.854 --> 01:27:34.440 I know of people that girls were traded out to 1481 01:27:34.565 --> 01:27:36.609 that have not come out. 1482 01:27:40.278 --> 01:27:42.321 I tend to believe that 1483 01:27:42.446 --> 01:27:44.782 this story is going to outlive me 1484 01:27:44.907 --> 01:27:48.201 because it's filled with so many mysteries, 1485 01:27:48.201 --> 01:27:49.702 things people don't know. 1486 01:27:52.037 --> 01:27:55.456 We don't know the depth of the cover-up yet, 1487 01:27:55.456 --> 01:28:01.461 but I think this will eventually rank up there with, uh, Watergate. 1488 01:28:01.586 --> 01:28:03.671 Hopefully the American public's 1489 01:28:03.796 --> 01:28:05.922 going to continue to care about this story 1490 01:28:06.047 --> 01:28:10.801 and continue to demand that we get all of the answers. 1491 01:28:12.386 --> 01:28:15.638 We're done laying down and being quiet. 1492 01:28:15.638 --> 01:28:17.598 Now we're screaming in public. 1493 01:28:19.933 --> 01:28:21.435 It's a serious question. Oh, sorry. 1494 01:28:21.435 --> 01:28:23.644 Do you think you're the devil himself? 1495 01:28:23.769 --> 01:28:25.271 I don't know. Why would you say that? 1496 01:28:25.271 --> 01:28:27.939 Because you have all the attributes. You're incredibly smart. 1497 01:28:27.939 --> 01:28:29.649 You remember, the devil... Is the devil smart? 1498 01:28:29.649 --> 01:28:32.443 The devil's brilliant. 1499 01:28:32.443 --> 01:28:35.278 Jeffrey Epstein was the true epitome of evil. 1500 01:28:35.278 --> 01:28:40.532 Very polished, wealthy, well-spoken, very intelligent man. 1501 01:28:40.657 --> 01:28:43.909 And he used all of that for evil. 1502 01:28:46.494 --> 01:28:48.788 We do not do this story justice 1503 01:28:48.788 --> 01:28:51.040 if we think it starts and ends with Epstein. 1504 01:28:51.165 --> 01:28:52.333 Of course it doesn't. 1505 01:28:52.333 --> 01:28:55.460 There is so much further to go. 1506 01:29:05.009 --> 01:29:06.801 Captions by Red Bee Media 1507 01:29:06.801 --> 01:29:08.928 Copyright Australian Broadcasting Corporation