1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 3 00:00:11,090 --> 00:00:13,217 Before we get into the deep stuff, let's just talk, 4 00:00:13,342 --> 00:00:14,719 let's give some basics. 5 00:00:14,719 --> 00:00:17,220 Remember, when you're answering these questions, 6 00:00:17,220 --> 00:00:19,179 I'm not in the shot 7 00:00:19,179 --> 00:00:21,181 and they're never gonna hear my voice. 8 00:00:21,306 --> 00:00:22,641 Oh, boy. OK. 9 00:00:24,017 --> 00:00:26,561 The first word that I would use to describe Jeffrey Epstein 10 00:00:26,561 --> 00:00:29,438 other than a predator is 'mysterious'. 11 00:00:30,647 --> 00:00:33,232 How did he become so wealthy? 12 00:00:33,357 --> 00:00:38,486 How did he ingratiate himself into the exact right social circles? 13 00:00:38,486 --> 00:00:42,031 How did he get away without being caught for so long? 14 00:00:49,953 --> 00:00:53,247 I never could have anticipated 15 00:00:53,247 --> 00:00:57,584 how diabolical Jeffrey Epstein was. 16 00:00:57,709 --> 00:01:00,627 There's something deeply fucked up with you. 17 00:01:01,503 --> 00:01:02,546 At least something. 18 00:01:02,671 --> 00:01:04,380 We know there are things deeply fucked up 19 00:01:04,505 --> 00:01:06,549 you will get through in this film, right? 20 00:01:06,674 --> 00:01:09,217 Where I come from you don't kill my brother 21 00:01:09,217 --> 00:01:10,636 and walk away from that. 22 00:01:12,595 --> 00:01:15,180 What are the Epstein files? 23 00:01:16,681 --> 00:01:20,392 The Epstein files are all the information that the government has 24 00:01:20,517 --> 00:01:23,561 regarding Jeffrey Epstein and his co-conspirators. 25 00:01:25,063 --> 00:01:29,107 Photographic evidence, interviews of victims. 26 00:01:29,107 --> 00:01:30,400 Emails written to him, 27 00:01:30,525 --> 00:01:32,068 text messages. 28 00:01:32,526 --> 00:01:34,986 Court documents, FBI reports. 29 00:01:34,986 --> 00:01:40,240 And it is much more expansive than you had ever even imagined. 30 00:01:40,366 --> 00:01:42,910 People want to see names. 31 00:01:42,910 --> 00:01:45,119 They want to know who the sex traffickers are. 32 00:01:45,244 --> 00:01:47,329 They want to know who the paedophiles are 33 00:01:47,329 --> 00:01:48,580 and they want vengeance. 34 00:01:50,207 --> 00:01:53,209 Do you know the names of powerful people 35 00:01:53,209 --> 00:01:55,627 who have not yet been named publicly? 36 00:01:55,752 --> 00:01:56,670 Yes. 37 00:01:57,671 --> 00:02:00,339 Congressman Khanna! Hello, I'm Grace Tobin... 38 00:02:00,339 --> 00:02:01,882 Nice to see you. ...from Australia. 39 00:02:01,882 --> 00:02:04,717 Why do you think it's a fight that has united 40 00:02:04,717 --> 00:02:07,260 a very divided political spectrum here? 41 00:02:07,386 --> 00:02:09,304 You can't rape underage girls. 42 00:02:09,429 --> 00:02:11,222 You can't cover that up. 43 00:02:11,222 --> 00:02:13,766 Trump opened up Pandora's box. 44 00:02:13,891 --> 00:02:17,727 He thought that he could crack it open slightly and shut it. 45 00:02:17,727 --> 00:02:21,021 But the curse is not going back into the box. 46 00:02:22,398 --> 00:02:25,608 I don't understand why the President fought it so hard. 47 00:02:25,733 --> 00:02:28,819 Releasing the Epstein files is about revealing 48 00:02:28,819 --> 00:02:33,155 all of that dirty, nasty, horrible things that happened. 49 00:02:33,155 --> 00:02:34,699 Why would he cover this up? 50 00:02:34,699 --> 00:02:37,826 I think he's protecting rich and powerful men 51 00:02:37,826 --> 00:02:41,203 who participated in sex trafficking. 52 00:02:41,203 --> 00:02:43,162 3 million pages, 53 00:02:43,288 --> 00:02:45,707 180,000 images. 54 00:02:45,707 --> 00:02:47,916 The latest dump from the Epstein files 55 00:02:47,916 --> 00:02:50,711 after weeks of political pressure. 56 00:02:50,711 --> 00:02:54,088 That moment created global shock waves. 57 00:02:54,088 --> 00:02:57,382 A day of extreme jeopardy for Sir Keir Starmer. 58 00:02:57,382 --> 00:03:01,010 Norway's Crown Princess is facing intense scrutiny. 59 00:03:01,010 --> 00:03:02,969 Extraordinary news out of the UK. 60 00:03:03,094 --> 00:03:05,680 The former Prince Andrew has been arrested. 61 00:03:05,805 --> 00:03:08,640 The Epstein files are part of the Epstein story. 62 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:10,767 You have to understand how the Epstein files fit in 63 00:03:10,767 --> 00:03:12,768 to what Epstein was doing, 64 00:03:12,768 --> 00:03:17,022 and the failures of the US government in doing their job. 65 00:03:17,147 --> 00:03:21,275 The Epstein story has one man at its centre, 66 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,693 one spider in the centre of the web. 67 00:03:23,693 --> 00:03:27,487 But that web could not have been constructed 68 00:03:27,612 --> 00:03:30,073 without complicity. 69 00:03:31,407 --> 00:03:33,659 Do you think you're the devil himself? 70 00:03:33,784 --> 00:03:35,910 No. But I do have a good mirror. 71 00:03:59,053 --> 00:04:01,513 We are going to turn now to the debate in Washington 72 00:04:01,513 --> 00:04:03,348 over the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files. 73 00:04:03,348 --> 00:04:06,517 Today, a group of survivors of the Epstein controversy 74 00:04:06,643 --> 00:04:08,518 will be here on Capitol Hill. 75 00:04:08,518 --> 00:04:11,437 Urgent new calls for transparency from Epstein survivors, 76 00:04:11,437 --> 00:04:14,190 24 of whom are now re-upping their demand 77 00:04:14,315 --> 00:04:17,859 that Congress release all of the Epstein files. 78 00:04:17,859 --> 00:04:19,693 It's an honour to stand here 79 00:04:19,693 --> 00:04:23,237 for something America is finally united on - 80 00:04:23,363 --> 00:04:26,783 the immediate release of the entire Epstein files. 81 00:04:29,284 --> 00:04:34,789 There's approximately 1,200 women that were victims of Jeffrey Epstein 82 00:04:34,789 --> 00:04:37,332 and they say other men. 83 00:04:37,332 --> 00:04:40,834 They've wanted justice and they fought very hard for it. 84 00:04:40,834 --> 00:04:42,503 We are more than victims. 85 00:04:42,503 --> 00:04:45,171 We are mothers, daughters, sisters, friends. 86 00:04:45,171 --> 00:04:46,881 And we will not be erased. 87 00:04:48,924 --> 00:04:52,510 Some of these women have been at this 20 years. 88 00:04:52,510 --> 00:04:55,887 Some of them had, I believe, almost given up. 89 00:04:57,347 --> 00:05:00,266 But the fact that they were invited to the capital of the United States 90 00:05:00,391 --> 00:05:02,351 to speak truth to power, 91 00:05:02,476 --> 00:05:05,937 and that every media outlet, 92 00:05:06,062 --> 00:05:10,857 you know, showed up, they're renewed in their efforts. 93 00:05:10,982 --> 00:05:16,861 This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein in 1991. 94 00:05:16,861 --> 00:05:20,698 This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein. 95 00:05:22,116 --> 00:05:24,951 A lot of us, it was the first time that we had spoken publicly. 96 00:05:25,076 --> 00:05:30,163 My name is Dani Bensky. This was me at 17 years old. 97 00:05:30,289 --> 00:05:34,458 So we were just kind of standing in solidarity with each other 98 00:05:34,583 --> 00:05:36,042 and saying to the world, 99 00:05:36,042 --> 00:05:39,753 like, "There's more of us than you thought." 100 00:05:39,878 --> 00:05:43,256 My name is Marina Lacerda. I was minor victim one. 101 00:05:43,256 --> 00:05:47,301 My name is Gena-Lisa Jones and I was only 14 years old. 102 00:05:47,426 --> 00:05:49,303 My name is Chauntae Davis. 103 00:05:49,303 --> 00:05:50,721 My name is Laura Bloom McGee. 104 00:05:50,721 --> 00:05:53,306 My name is Haley Robson. My name is Anoushka De Georgiou. 105 00:05:53,431 --> 00:05:55,807 My name is Courtney Wild. My name is Lisa Phillips. 106 00:05:55,932 --> 00:05:57,601 My name is Ashley Rubright 107 00:05:57,726 --> 00:06:01,895 and I am a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. 108 00:06:05,148 --> 00:06:07,983 When you're a survivor of abuse from a serial predator, 109 00:06:08,108 --> 00:06:11,193 you just have this bond with the other survivors. 110 00:06:13,195 --> 00:06:15,906 We understand each other like nobody else can. 111 00:06:21,076 --> 00:06:25,246 It's been a tremendous mountain to move to get here. 112 00:06:30,125 --> 00:06:33,294 {\an8}It took an incredible outcry from the public, 113 00:06:33,294 --> 00:06:35,920 huge political will, 114 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,214 and it took the blood, sweat and tears of the survivors. 115 00:06:39,214 --> 00:06:42,384 And that's many, many tears from the survivors to get here. 116 00:07:04,359 --> 00:07:08,153 So we're just heading in to meet with Ashley Rubright, 117 00:07:08,153 --> 00:07:11,697 who is a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein. 118 00:07:11,822 --> 00:07:14,533 And she's only just started speaking out publicly 119 00:07:14,533 --> 00:07:16,242 about what happened to her. 120 00:07:17,827 --> 00:07:19,328 We're this house here. 121 00:07:21,997 --> 00:07:24,249 Hi, Ashley. How are you? Good. How are you? 122 00:07:24,249 --> 00:07:26,334 It's nice to meet you. So nice to meet you. Come in. 123 00:07:26,459 --> 00:07:28,919 Thank you so much for having us. Of course. 124 00:07:28,919 --> 00:07:30,837 Oh, it's still very Christmassy in here, isn't it? 125 00:07:30,962 --> 00:07:32,838 Yes. 126 00:07:37,551 --> 00:07:41,303 When did you meet Jeffrey Epstein? 127 00:07:41,303 --> 00:07:45,181 So it was about 2002 to 2003 128 00:07:45,181 --> 00:07:50,018 and I would have been... about 15. 129 00:07:54,146 --> 00:07:57,190 I was going to Summit Christian School. 130 00:07:59,567 --> 00:08:01,235 I was a cheerleader. 131 00:08:01,235 --> 00:08:04,904 I was in dance, like jazz, hip-hop, ballet. 132 00:08:05,029 --> 00:08:09,616 Um, I was working at a barbecue restaurant 133 00:08:09,616 --> 00:08:12,201 and one of my coworkers, 134 00:08:12,201 --> 00:08:14,787 {\an8}he asked me one day in the restaurant 135 00:08:14,787 --> 00:08:18,873 {\an8}if I would like to give a man a massage for $200. 136 00:08:20,541 --> 00:08:25,962 I thought about it for a second and said, "Sure." 137 00:08:32,008 --> 00:08:35,969 I just remember pulling into his house in Palm Beach. 138 00:08:39,263 --> 00:08:42,016 And we were led into the kitchen. 139 00:08:45,435 --> 00:08:49,313 And then Sarah Kellen came in, his assistant. 140 00:08:49,313 --> 00:08:51,230 Said it was time. 141 00:08:55,358 --> 00:08:58,903 Then Sarah, she's the one that led me upstairs. 142 00:09:02,031 --> 00:09:04,199 I didn't look around. I was just looking down. 143 00:09:04,199 --> 00:09:09,328 So all I remember was the pink carpet on the spiral staircase. 144 00:09:15,415 --> 00:09:19,251 And she opened the door and said, "Alright, I'll be back in an hour." 145 00:09:23,213 --> 00:09:28,008 I was shocked when I walked into the bathroom. 146 00:09:31,093 --> 00:09:34,096 But then I calmed myself down, thinking, 147 00:09:34,222 --> 00:09:37,974 "Of course, he's naked because that's how people get massages 148 00:09:38,099 --> 00:09:40,518 "and I should just not be so shocked." 149 00:09:46,731 --> 00:09:49,358 He just kind of laid on the table. 150 00:09:49,358 --> 00:09:53,110 And then he told me how to massage him. 151 00:09:56,529 --> 00:09:58,740 Then he flipped over. 152 00:09:58,740 --> 00:10:00,407 And... 153 00:10:04,786 --> 00:10:07,454 That's... Things got... 154 00:10:07,454 --> 00:10:10,666 ...really way more inappropriate there. 155 00:10:10,791 --> 00:10:13,918 And he asked me to... 156 00:10:15,502 --> 00:10:18,839 ...to take off my bra and... 157 00:10:18,963 --> 00:10:21,590 ...to pull up my skirt 158 00:10:21,590 --> 00:10:23,216 and... 159 00:10:27,261 --> 00:10:30,138 He was touching himself the whole time. 160 00:10:30,138 --> 00:10:32,139 I was just trying not to look. 161 00:10:33,140 --> 00:10:37,310 And he would grab me, 162 00:10:37,435 --> 00:10:40,145 grab my behind and... 163 00:10:42,356 --> 00:10:47,234 I was just trying to not be there, you know, 164 00:10:47,234 --> 00:10:48,569 {\an8}at that time. 165 00:10:48,569 --> 00:10:49,987 {\an8}And... 166 00:10:51,571 --> 00:10:55,198 {\an8}...he finished and hopped up. 167 00:10:55,323 --> 00:10:56,283 {\an8}And... 168 00:10:57,742 --> 00:11:01,161 {\an8}...then Sarah came in and led me back downstairs. 169 00:11:04,330 --> 00:11:06,165 I felt shocked. 170 00:11:06,165 --> 00:11:08,292 And then I remember... 171 00:11:09,751 --> 00:11:11,627 ...trying to rationalise it. 172 00:11:13,004 --> 00:11:16,256 It had to have just been like a fluke, a one time... 173 00:11:17,215 --> 00:11:19,091 ...thing that he just couldn't control. 174 00:11:22,553 --> 00:11:24,637 I did go back one more time. 175 00:11:25,305 --> 00:11:28,265 The second time, it escalated. 176 00:11:29,391 --> 00:11:32,226 I just remembered Jeffrey bringing over a basket 177 00:11:32,351 --> 00:11:37,105 and asking me to pick one and asking me if I knew how to use it. 178 00:11:37,105 --> 00:11:38,190 And... 179 00:11:39,190 --> 00:11:41,066 ...he had me sit on the bathroom floor 180 00:11:41,066 --> 00:11:44,110 and he sat on the edge of the massage table. 181 00:11:45,737 --> 00:11:47,362 And I remember what happened. 182 00:11:48,614 --> 00:11:51,115 A basket of sex toys? Yes. 183 00:11:51,115 --> 00:11:53,534 Thank you for saying that. Yeah. That's OK. 184 00:12:01,874 --> 00:12:03,708 So this was 2000. 185 00:12:05,335 --> 00:12:07,461 And these are all just, like, happy messages. 186 00:12:09,963 --> 00:12:13,007 I read some of my yearbooks 187 00:12:13,007 --> 00:12:15,467 and it was such a drastic change. 188 00:12:18,844 --> 00:12:21,096 Right after Jeffrey, 189 00:12:21,096 --> 00:12:24,933 the messages, even my face. 190 00:12:25,058 --> 00:12:27,643 Everything had started to just look darker. 191 00:12:29,394 --> 00:12:33,189 This one says, "We had fun when you're not so mad." 192 00:12:33,314 --> 00:12:36,024 or, "You're sweet when you're not mad." Yeah. 193 00:12:37,150 --> 00:12:38,984 {\an8}I was angry, and I... 194 00:12:40,277 --> 00:12:44,656 {\an8}...I didn't care who got the brunt of it, at all. 195 00:12:45,740 --> 00:12:46,741 Yeah. 196 00:12:47,991 --> 00:12:51,327 I stopped cheerleading, I stopped dance. 197 00:12:52,286 --> 00:12:55,580 And I kind of went from, like... 198 00:12:57,290 --> 00:13:01,001 ...trying to do good to just not caring. 199 00:13:03,628 --> 00:13:07,089 Did you tell anyone what happened to you? 200 00:13:07,214 --> 00:13:09,007 Just my friend Sean 201 00:13:09,007 --> 00:13:11,259 but nobody else. 202 00:13:13,719 --> 00:13:17,097 I didn't think there was a story to tell, really, you know? 203 00:13:24,978 --> 00:13:29,857 Mr Epstein, is it true you were born January 20th, 1953? 204 00:13:29,857 --> 00:13:31,399 Yes. 205 00:13:31,399 --> 00:13:33,276 Where? New York. 206 00:13:34,235 --> 00:13:36,361 Where in New York. Brooklyn. 207 00:13:49,621 --> 00:13:50,830 Hey, Adam. Hi, Grace. 208 00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:52,290 How are you? Pleasure to meet you. 209 00:13:52,415 --> 00:13:55,167 Nice to meet you too. Thanks so much for doing this with us. 210 00:13:55,292 --> 00:13:57,294 My pleasure, my pleasure. 211 00:14:00,588 --> 00:14:03,840 Adam, can you tell me a bit about yourself? 212 00:14:03,965 --> 00:14:08,552 Well, I've been a legal journalist for close to two decades now, 213 00:14:08,552 --> 00:14:12,555 and the Southern District of New York was my long-time beat. 214 00:14:12,555 --> 00:14:15,473 So you see a lot of cases 215 00:14:15,473 --> 00:14:19,518 of national and international significance going into that court. 216 00:14:19,518 --> 00:14:22,229 And one of them just happened to be Epstein's. 217 00:14:30,319 --> 00:14:32,737 We are in Coney Island. 218 00:14:32,737 --> 00:14:34,655 Coney Island, Brooklyn. 219 00:14:43,578 --> 00:14:49,208 We're right near where Jeffrey Epstein grew up. 220 00:14:49,333 --> 00:14:51,876 And this is actually the Sea Gate community 221 00:14:51,876 --> 00:14:53,419 in the distance right there, 222 00:14:53,419 --> 00:14:55,587 Jeffrey Epstein's childhood home. 223 00:15:02,676 --> 00:15:04,511 Jeffrey Epstein had a modest upbringing 224 00:15:04,511 --> 00:15:06,845 in an immigrant community in Brooklyn. 225 00:15:06,845 --> 00:15:09,807 His father worked at the New York City Parks Department. 226 00:15:09,807 --> 00:15:12,141 His mother worked at a school. 227 00:15:12,141 --> 00:15:14,685 And he had a younger brother, Mark. 228 00:15:16,478 --> 00:15:19,105 He had a lifelong fascination with math 229 00:15:19,105 --> 00:15:22,191 and by all accounts, was pretty good at it. 230 00:15:27,027 --> 00:15:29,154 This is The Dalton Prep School. 231 00:15:31,197 --> 00:15:34,450 It is where he got his first job. 232 00:15:36,076 --> 00:15:38,662 Even though he was a college dropout, 233 00:15:38,662 --> 00:15:41,705 his first job was at a very prestigious school 234 00:15:41,705 --> 00:15:43,540 where he was a math teacher. 235 00:15:45,125 --> 00:15:47,251 One of the parents of a student 236 00:15:47,376 --> 00:15:50,254 introduced him to the CEO of Bear Stearns, 237 00:15:50,379 --> 00:15:52,296 a man named Ace Greenberg, 238 00:15:52,296 --> 00:15:55,048 where he got his first job on Wall Street. 239 00:16:05,348 --> 00:16:07,432 We are on Wall Street, 240 00:16:07,558 --> 00:16:11,144 where Jeffrey Epstein made his fortune. 241 00:16:14,272 --> 00:16:16,648 He was, by all accounts, very charming. 242 00:16:18,108 --> 00:16:21,110 Jeffrey Epstein tried to, throughout his life, 243 00:16:21,235 --> 00:16:23,736 make connections with people with money and power. 244 00:16:25,905 --> 00:16:29,324 He was able to get people to trust him very quickly. 245 00:16:32,702 --> 00:16:36,413 He won the trust of billionaires like Leslie Wexner, 246 00:16:36,413 --> 00:16:38,914 who gave him power of attorney. 247 00:16:39,039 --> 00:16:42,543 He won the trust of Leon Black, 248 00:16:42,543 --> 00:16:46,296 who paid him hundreds of millions of dollars, 249 00:16:46,421 --> 00:16:49,089 far above the market rate. 250 00:16:49,089 --> 00:16:53,301 And from there, uh, there is a lot of mystery, 251 00:16:53,426 --> 00:16:56,261 but we're getting a picture more and more 252 00:16:56,261 --> 00:16:59,013 of him finagling people, 253 00:16:59,013 --> 00:17:01,223 uh, wheeling and dealing, 254 00:17:01,223 --> 00:17:04,350 and ultimately became fabulously wealthy. 255 00:17:05,769 --> 00:17:11,063 This is Jeffrey Epstein's Upper East Side townhouse mansion 256 00:17:11,063 --> 00:17:16,276 and the famous, uh, lantern over the door. 257 00:17:17,277 --> 00:17:19,361 He had a massage room in there. 258 00:17:21,864 --> 00:17:26,034 He had the dining room, where he entertained. 259 00:17:26,034 --> 00:17:29,536 I mean, the photos really do tell the story. 260 00:17:33,539 --> 00:17:36,875 Jeffrey Epstein met Ghislaine Maxwell in the early 1990s. 261 00:17:39,043 --> 00:17:42,588 As the daughter of a media tycoon, with a British accent, 262 00:17:42,588 --> 00:17:45,131 she brought something that Jeffrey Epstein didn't have - 263 00:17:45,256 --> 00:17:47,633 access to the elite. 264 00:17:47,758 --> 00:17:48,884 Have you got drinks? 265 00:17:52,178 --> 00:17:54,805 They socialised with politicians 266 00:17:54,930 --> 00:17:57,974 with big names in academia, finance, you name it. 267 00:17:58,100 --> 00:18:01,393 Whether it was the man known at the time as Prince Andrew. 268 00:18:02,936 --> 00:18:05,897 Or whether it was former president Bill Clinton. 269 00:18:07,773 --> 00:18:11,442 He had his private island in the US Virgin Islands, 270 00:18:11,442 --> 00:18:15,028 a ranch outside of Santa Fe, 271 00:18:15,153 --> 00:18:17,656 property in Palm Beach 272 00:18:17,781 --> 00:18:19,573 and in Paris. 273 00:18:22,826 --> 00:18:27,830 He was flaunting his jet-setting lifestyle and his massive wealth. 274 00:18:36,711 --> 00:18:38,338 Look at me like you love me. 275 00:18:38,463 --> 00:18:39,672 I can't wait. 276 00:18:42,049 --> 00:18:45,093 OK, so now I'm walking towards 277 00:18:45,093 --> 00:18:47,136 the lily pond. 278 00:18:47,136 --> 00:18:49,721 I'm here on the beach by myself. 279 00:18:49,721 --> 00:18:53,516 This is my swimming pool - my beach. 280 00:18:53,516 --> 00:18:55,475 No-one's allowed to dock here. 281 00:18:57,144 --> 00:18:58,769 The luncheon place. 282 00:18:59,937 --> 00:19:00,855 The nursery. 283 00:19:02,273 --> 00:19:03,982 At the point there is the library. 284 00:19:09,528 --> 00:19:11,487 It's an honour to stand here again 285 00:19:11,612 --> 00:19:14,781 for something America is finally united on. 286 00:19:14,781 --> 00:19:18,326 The immediate release of the entire Epstein files. 287 00:19:25,165 --> 00:19:27,291 So these are just my modelling pictures. 288 00:19:27,291 --> 00:19:29,918 Mm-hm. Like, when I started out. 289 00:19:30,044 --> 00:19:32,003 This is when I was 17. 290 00:19:32,003 --> 00:19:36,673 I would send these to modelling agencies to get started. 291 00:19:36,673 --> 00:19:38,924 I was a fashion model in New York, 292 00:19:39,050 --> 00:19:42,511 had worked my way up since I was 15 or 16 years old. 293 00:19:42,636 --> 00:19:45,055 So this was from the actual week I met Jeffrey. 294 00:19:45,180 --> 00:19:46,514 Ah. 295 00:19:46,514 --> 00:19:50,350 The year 2000 and I had booked, like, a really big job. 296 00:19:50,350 --> 00:19:54,228 Our agent at the time, Jeff, sent us to Tortola 297 00:19:54,354 --> 00:19:55,812 on the Caribbean Sea. 298 00:19:59,023 --> 00:20:00,691 Tortola was a small island. 299 00:20:00,691 --> 00:20:02,817 There was really not that much to do there. 300 00:20:02,817 --> 00:20:05,862 So the other model was like, "You know, we have a free day tomorrow." 301 00:20:05,862 --> 00:20:09,448 She suggested we go see her friend, you know, Jeffrey Epstein, 302 00:20:09,448 --> 00:20:11,407 that owned an island nearby. 303 00:20:12,784 --> 00:20:15,035 Yeah, we were both, like maybe 22 years old. 304 00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:19,580 Spent the day just, like, playing in the pool, in the ocean. 305 00:20:19,705 --> 00:20:23,750 And there I met two other young blonde girls. 306 00:20:25,043 --> 00:20:28,420 Went to dinner that evening, and I met Jeffrey Epstein. 307 00:20:29,922 --> 00:20:31,714 He was laser focused on me 308 00:20:31,714 --> 00:20:35,258 and asking so many questions about my childhood 309 00:20:35,258 --> 00:20:37,803 and my dreams and aspirations. 310 00:20:37,928 --> 00:20:41,013 I had told him in that time that we had shared on the island 311 00:20:41,013 --> 00:20:42,598 that I wanted to be a Ford model, 312 00:20:42,722 --> 00:20:45,350 and I kind of built up this trust with this man. 313 00:20:48,852 --> 00:20:51,562 Getting ready to go to sleep, there just was a knock at the door, 314 00:20:51,562 --> 00:20:54,773 and one of the other young girls poked her head in and was like, 315 00:20:54,773 --> 00:20:56,858 "Jeffrey's ready for his massage now." 316 00:20:56,858 --> 00:20:59,276 And I'm just like, "OK, well, you go ahead, I'm going to bed." 317 00:20:59,402 --> 00:21:03,029 And she was just like, "No, he said for you to give the massage." 318 00:21:05,407 --> 00:21:07,533 Long story short, like, I just had to go. 319 00:21:09,785 --> 00:21:14,038 And so I experienced, you know, sexual abuse that evening, um, 320 00:21:14,038 --> 00:21:17,958 from Jeffrey and the other girl that was there. 321 00:21:39,765 --> 00:21:42,684 I think when you're younger, you always blame yourself. 322 00:21:42,809 --> 00:21:44,644 Like, "What did I do? Was I flirting with this guy?" 323 00:21:44,769 --> 00:21:47,730 Like, I went home and I wanted nothing to do with him after that. 324 00:21:48,897 --> 00:21:51,983 And a few months had passed and he called me. 325 00:21:55,027 --> 00:21:58,613 A lot of my modelling castings would be here in Soho. 326 00:21:58,613 --> 00:22:00,656 Right up here, when I was walking, right up here 327 00:22:00,781 --> 00:22:02,824 was where I got the call from Jeffrey. 328 00:22:02,824 --> 00:22:07,286 He was very brief and to the point that he had remembered, 329 00:22:07,286 --> 00:22:09,747 you know, my goals and ambitions that I told him on the island - 330 00:22:09,747 --> 00:22:12,498 that I wanted to be a Ford model, big dream of mine, 331 00:22:12,498 --> 00:22:15,459 and that he knew the owner of the Ford Modelling Agency 332 00:22:15,459 --> 00:22:17,753 and for me to go over there and meet with her. 333 00:22:18,961 --> 00:22:20,379 And I was just thinking, 334 00:22:20,504 --> 00:22:23,298 whatever happened to me on the island wasn't good, 335 00:22:23,298 --> 00:22:25,383 but maybe he was trying to make up for it, 336 00:22:25,508 --> 00:22:28,218 you know, by saying, "I remember your goal, 337 00:22:28,218 --> 00:22:29,845 "well, I can help you out." 338 00:22:30,845 --> 00:22:32,305 During that time, 339 00:22:32,305 --> 00:22:35,349 were you ever abused by Epstein again 340 00:22:35,474 --> 00:22:38,518 or any men in his orbit? 341 00:22:38,643 --> 00:22:40,686 So, yeah, I was abused by him again. 342 00:22:40,686 --> 00:22:42,854 And through his connections 343 00:22:42,854 --> 00:22:45,732 where he would sent me on auditions and things. 344 00:22:45,857 --> 00:22:49,109 But back then, I wasn't aware that I was trafficked. 345 00:22:51,527 --> 00:22:55,614 Can you explain a bit more about how the trafficking operation worked? 346 00:22:55,614 --> 00:22:58,450 Well, auditions are castings by Epstein. 347 00:22:58,450 --> 00:23:00,159 So it's like, "Oh, let me just send you. 348 00:23:00,159 --> 00:23:03,119 "My friend is casting a really big film right now." 349 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,788 And you're sent somewhere 350 00:23:04,788 --> 00:23:08,040 where all of a sudden you're propositioned for sex 351 00:23:08,165 --> 00:23:11,626 and the people around you are enforcing it. 352 00:23:14,379 --> 00:23:15,879 Just thought it was the business. 353 00:23:16,004 --> 00:23:18,964 Just thought I was going to a casting and audition, working, 354 00:23:18,964 --> 00:23:22,343 and that's kind of how some of the older men were, just creepy. 355 00:23:22,343 --> 00:23:25,845 And I never connected it to a more nefarious ring 356 00:23:25,845 --> 00:23:28,889 that involved modelling agencies and Epstein. 357 00:23:30,432 --> 00:23:34,394 There were hundreds of girls from these Eastern European countries 358 00:23:34,394 --> 00:23:36,937 sent to Paris, sent to New York. 359 00:23:36,937 --> 00:23:40,022 You know, they were doing quite abusive things to these models. 360 00:23:41,357 --> 00:23:43,566 It was like a well-oiled machine. 361 00:23:46,403 --> 00:23:49,029 Fast forward a few years later, 362 00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:53,741 I had a girlfriend who was also involved in this Epstein world. 363 00:23:54,783 --> 00:23:56,743 She had came to me one evening and said that 364 00:23:56,743 --> 00:23:58,786 Jeffrey had made her go into a room, 365 00:23:58,911 --> 00:24:01,330 made to go have sex with somebody 366 00:24:01,330 --> 00:24:05,250 and so she at that time was scared. 367 00:24:05,375 --> 00:24:07,459 I became scared, and we kind of... 368 00:24:07,459 --> 00:24:09,586 ...both kind of moved out of New York at that time 369 00:24:09,586 --> 00:24:12,755 and I never saw him again after that 'cause I was scared. 370 00:24:21,887 --> 00:24:26,016 Jeffrey Epstein's trail of sexual abuse happened globally. 371 00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:32,854 However, Palm Beach was the centre, in many ways, of the sexual abuse 372 00:24:32,979 --> 00:24:36,273 and where his crimes were originally investigated. 373 00:24:42,611 --> 00:24:47,656 Hey there. We're just driving around Palm Beach. 374 00:24:47,781 --> 00:24:49,575 Is there any way to get through or no? 375 00:24:49,575 --> 00:24:51,034 No, not... Is this closed? 376 00:24:51,034 --> 00:24:53,578 Yeah. OK. Alright. Just wanted to check. 377 00:24:53,578 --> 00:24:55,329 Why is it closed? 378 00:24:55,454 --> 00:24:58,081 Because Trump's in town. 379 00:25:02,751 --> 00:25:05,003 So I'm Holly Baltz. 380 00:25:05,128 --> 00:25:10,257 I'm a retired investigations editor from the Palm Beach Post. 381 00:25:10,257 --> 00:25:12,050 Just newly retired. 382 00:25:13,384 --> 00:25:18,638 We, as in the Post, covered Epstein from the very beginning. 383 00:25:21,307 --> 00:25:27,603 I never could have anticipated how big this case got to be. 384 00:25:29,980 --> 00:25:33,316 Palm Beach Police first started investigating Jeffrey Epstein 385 00:25:33,316 --> 00:25:37,152 {\an8}when the stepmother of a ninth grader 386 00:25:37,152 --> 00:25:39,195 {\an8}at Royal Palm Beach High School reported 387 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,823 that a wealthy man had molested her daughter in March of 2005. 388 00:25:45,450 --> 00:25:47,701 This is the east/west route 389 00:25:47,701 --> 00:25:50,828 that goes past Royal Palm Beach High School. 390 00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:55,666 You know, it wasn't just the one girl. 391 00:25:56,958 --> 00:26:01,921 Police found that a number of victims were recruited here. 392 00:26:04,631 --> 00:26:07,341 They started interviewing more girls, 393 00:26:07,466 --> 00:26:10,760 and every time they did, it was like peeling back an onion. 394 00:26:23,353 --> 00:26:27,147 Not only were the girls getting sexually abused themselves, 395 00:26:27,147 --> 00:26:31,025 but he also offered to pay them if they'd bring their friends. 396 00:26:31,025 --> 00:26:34,362 Um, and these were girls who didn't have a lot of money. 397 00:26:37,948 --> 00:26:41,867 During Jeffrey Epstein's first criminal investigation, 398 00:26:41,993 --> 00:26:45,370 many of the survivors started finding lawyers 399 00:26:45,495 --> 00:26:50,623 who were willing to bring their stories forward and file lawsuits. 400 00:26:50,623 --> 00:26:54,835 I first got involved in the Epstein matter back in about 2006. 401 00:26:56,211 --> 00:27:00,673 I was working at a litigation firm here in Palm Beach County 402 00:27:00,673 --> 00:27:04,551 and a young girl walked into our office with her parents 403 00:27:04,551 --> 00:27:09,430 and told a crazy story about a rich man on Palm Beach Island 404 00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:11,431 that had paid her about $200 405 00:27:11,556 --> 00:27:13,349 to go to the home and give him a massage 406 00:27:13,349 --> 00:27:16,393 that turned into a sexually explicit and inappropriate massage. 407 00:27:17,686 --> 00:27:19,770 Initially, I didn't quite believe her, 408 00:27:19,770 --> 00:27:22,481 to be perfectly honest, it sounded pretty incredible. 409 00:27:22,481 --> 00:27:25,233 But once I interviewed the police detective 410 00:27:25,233 --> 00:27:27,234 that was conducting the investigation, 411 00:27:27,234 --> 00:27:28,736 I realised that this was real. 412 00:27:30,862 --> 00:27:33,656 Michael Reiter was the chief of police back at the time. 413 00:27:33,656 --> 00:27:36,199 And Joe Recarey was the lead investigator. 414 00:27:39,410 --> 00:27:40,578 Correct? 415 00:27:40,578 --> 00:27:42,330 {\an8}OK. You were like the houseman? 416 00:27:45,624 --> 00:27:47,082 What can you tell me about that? 417 00:27:52,962 --> 00:27:55,255 So he can massage in the morning, massage in the afternoon. 418 00:27:55,380 --> 00:27:56,715 And besides that... 419 00:27:58,050 --> 00:27:59,216 OK. 420 00:27:59,216 --> 00:28:00,760 And actually... 421 00:28:04,137 --> 00:28:07,556 As police officers gathered the evidence, 422 00:28:07,556 --> 00:28:11,851 Epstein put together a huge team of... 423 00:28:11,851 --> 00:28:14,645 It was like a dream team. 424 00:28:14,770 --> 00:28:17,564 All really well-known attorneys 425 00:28:17,564 --> 00:28:21,359 and attorneys who, uh, were very aggressive. 426 00:28:23,818 --> 00:28:26,987 It is widely reported that Jeffrey Epstein and his legal team 427 00:28:26,987 --> 00:28:30,407 had some of the victims followed by blacked-out SUVs, 428 00:28:30,407 --> 00:28:34,160 uh, you know, showed... showing up at their houses. 429 00:28:34,285 --> 00:28:37,371 But they were also investigating the lead investigator, Joe. 430 00:28:37,371 --> 00:28:39,288 And I asked to meet him. 431 00:28:40,915 --> 00:28:43,667 So he picked a Starbucks in downtown West Palm Beach. 432 00:28:43,792 --> 00:28:45,961 And when I sat down and I started talking to him, 433 00:28:46,086 --> 00:28:48,295 his head was on a swivel and he kept looking around. 434 00:28:48,420 --> 00:28:50,464 And I said, "What are you... what are you doing?" 435 00:28:51,464 --> 00:28:53,841 And I'll never forget, he looks at me and he says, 436 00:28:53,967 --> 00:28:57,803 "You have no idea what they're doing to me." 437 00:28:57,928 --> 00:29:00,304 They had been digging through his personal trash, 438 00:29:00,304 --> 00:29:01,639 and he said to me, 439 00:29:01,764 --> 00:29:05,225 "I've never seen this kind of an operation before." 440 00:29:12,146 --> 00:29:17,067 But Palm Beach Police, they were very dogged in pursuing Epstein. 441 00:29:17,067 --> 00:29:19,860 We're police officers of Palm Beach County, Florida. 442 00:29:19,860 --> 00:29:22,113 They kept amassing victims. 443 00:29:22,238 --> 00:29:25,115 The premises occupied or under the control of Jeffrey Epstein. 444 00:29:25,115 --> 00:29:27,449 White male. Date of birth 1/20/53. 445 00:29:29,785 --> 00:29:33,204 When the first criminal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein 446 00:29:33,329 --> 00:29:34,997 was going on, 447 00:29:35,122 --> 00:29:38,708 it had originally seemed like something that could sustain 448 00:29:38,708 --> 00:29:41,335 an indictment with dozens of counts, 449 00:29:41,335 --> 00:29:45,672 that Palm Beach Police were building a very strong case. 450 00:29:45,797 --> 00:29:48,591 But when the entire case was packaged up 451 00:29:48,591 --> 00:29:50,717 and given to the state attorney... 452 00:29:51,968 --> 00:29:54,553 ...the state attorney here in Palm Beach at the time 453 00:29:54,553 --> 00:29:56,888 decided not to file charges. 454 00:29:56,888 --> 00:30:01,559 Chief of Police Michael Reiter was so upset at the lack of prosecution 455 00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:03,059 on the state level 456 00:30:03,059 --> 00:30:05,729 that he elevated this to the federal level. 457 00:30:07,229 --> 00:30:11,316 The FBI was keen to prosecute in the beginning, for sure. 458 00:30:12,650 --> 00:30:16,570 And they found very much similar things as Palm Beach Police, 459 00:30:16,695 --> 00:30:17,988 but new victims. 460 00:30:17,988 --> 00:30:23,909 And what came of that was a draft indictment, 60 counts. 461 00:30:24,951 --> 00:30:27,870 However, this giant case that Palm Beach Police 462 00:30:27,995 --> 00:30:30,705 spent so much time investigating 463 00:30:30,705 --> 00:30:33,833 pleaded down to a slap-on-the-wrist plea deal 464 00:30:33,833 --> 00:30:37,502 after intense lobbying by Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers. 465 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,922 The charges that they ended up bringing 466 00:30:40,922 --> 00:30:44,382 were solicitation for prostitution of a minor. 467 00:30:44,507 --> 00:30:48,928 It's basically calling these victims prostitutes. 468 00:30:48,928 --> 00:30:52,764 {\an8}The deal was approved by then US attorney Alex Acosta 469 00:30:52,764 --> 00:30:55,557 and then kept secret from the victims. 470 00:30:55,682 --> 00:30:59,143 And I think that the sweetheart plea deal 471 00:30:59,143 --> 00:31:02,104 was, in many ways, the original sin of this. 472 00:31:04,105 --> 00:31:06,857 It was one of the most awful deals I've ever seen. 473 00:31:06,857 --> 00:31:11,528 There isn't a plea deal before or since that I've ever seen like this. 474 00:31:15,447 --> 00:31:20,201 It gave complete immunity to not just Epstein, 475 00:31:20,201 --> 00:31:23,161 but it included and not limited to 476 00:31:23,161 --> 00:31:26,664 potential co-conspirators Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, 477 00:31:26,664 --> 00:31:29,416 Lesley Groff, and Nadia Marcinkova. 478 00:31:29,416 --> 00:31:32,585 And so these are some of the women who helped recruit other girls? 479 00:31:32,585 --> 00:31:34,462 Yeah, in the sexual pyramid scheme, 480 00:31:34,586 --> 00:31:36,797 these were the people that were really at the third level, 481 00:31:36,797 --> 00:31:39,423 right below Ghislaine Maxwell. 482 00:31:41,926 --> 00:31:44,803 Jeffrey Epstein went to jail just before 10:00 this morning. 483 00:31:44,803 --> 00:31:46,762 He pleaded guilty in open court. 484 00:31:46,887 --> 00:31:48,806 He agreed to serve a total of 18 months 485 00:31:48,806 --> 00:31:50,391 in a Palm Beach detention facility. 486 00:31:52,934 --> 00:31:55,727 People who commit sex crimes against minors 487 00:31:55,727 --> 00:31:58,563 go to prison for a very long time. 488 00:31:59,522 --> 00:32:01,274 Not Jeffrey Epstein. 489 00:32:01,399 --> 00:32:04,943 He was sentenced to 18 months in jail. 490 00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:11,281 He could get work release for 12 hours a day, six days a week. 491 00:32:12,490 --> 00:32:15,701 He wound up being in a cushy jail 492 00:32:15,701 --> 00:32:18,619 where he was the only person in that wing. 493 00:32:20,329 --> 00:32:23,623 He could go out, go to his office, take a walk on the beach, 494 00:32:23,748 --> 00:32:25,792 do whatever he wanted during the day. 495 00:32:25,792 --> 00:32:27,626 That's no kind of punishment. 496 00:32:29,086 --> 00:32:31,629 We had been litigating against Epstein 497 00:32:31,754 --> 00:32:33,965 on behalf of one of my clients. 498 00:32:33,965 --> 00:32:37,009 He was being allowed out during days. 499 00:32:37,134 --> 00:32:39,594 So we noticed Epstein for deposition. 500 00:32:41,470 --> 00:32:44,347 Could you please give us your name? Jeffrey Epstein. 501 00:32:44,472 --> 00:32:47,224 So I wanted him to realise I didn't care who he was, 502 00:32:47,349 --> 00:32:49,602 what his power was, what his status was, 503 00:32:49,602 --> 00:32:52,270 I was gonna ask him the most embarrassing possible thing I could. 504 00:32:53,521 --> 00:32:55,939 Is it true, sir, that, um... 505 00:32:57,232 --> 00:33:00,943 ...you have what's been described as an egg-shaped penis? 506 00:33:03,195 --> 00:33:06,198 He hears me ask the question, watch him look at his lawyers, 507 00:33:06,198 --> 00:33:08,157 like, "Can you believe he's asking me this?" 508 00:33:08,282 --> 00:33:11,201 And I'm going to give you the first warning, Mr Kuvin. 509 00:33:11,326 --> 00:33:13,578 I had been the first lawyer to ask him any questions 510 00:33:13,578 --> 00:33:15,829 in the cases that had been filed. 511 00:33:15,829 --> 00:33:20,041 One witness described your penis as oval-shaped, 512 00:33:20,166 --> 00:33:22,376 thin and small towards the head portion. 513 00:33:22,376 --> 00:33:24,920 See, he's angry. He's ready to walk out the door. 514 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,171 And then he sees that the attorneys are gonna talk. 515 00:33:27,296 --> 00:33:30,798 That serves no other purpose other than embarrass Mr Epstein. 516 00:33:30,798 --> 00:33:33,092 It's just totally unethical. It's improper. 517 00:33:33,218 --> 00:33:34,676 The purpose of that question is 518 00:33:34,676 --> 00:33:38,638 how could a 14-year-old know what his private part looked like? 519 00:33:38,638 --> 00:33:42,933 That question was directly relevant to the claims in the case. 520 00:33:42,933 --> 00:33:45,477 The deposition is terminated at this point. 521 00:33:45,477 --> 00:33:47,978 OK. Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. Thank you. 522 00:33:51,606 --> 00:33:53,775 Shortest deposition I've ever taken. 523 00:33:53,775 --> 00:33:55,317 Ever. Ever. 524 00:33:55,317 --> 00:33:58,528 Wow. So he probably is feeling pretty confident at this point 525 00:33:58,653 --> 00:34:00,738 that he's gotten away with this. Pretty much. Yeah. 526 00:34:00,738 --> 00:34:02,240 I mean, he had done his deal, 527 00:34:02,365 --> 00:34:04,324 and now he was just getting through the civil cases, 528 00:34:04,449 --> 00:34:06,534 thinking that it was all over and all done. 529 00:34:21,963 --> 00:34:25,840 A few steps, a smile and a wave to the deputy at the door. 530 00:34:25,966 --> 00:34:28,509 We watched Jeffrey Epstein walk out of jail. 531 00:34:28,509 --> 00:34:32,637 Epstein served 13 months of an 18-month sentence. 532 00:34:32,762 --> 00:34:34,763 He's very happy that his jail sentence is over 533 00:34:34,888 --> 00:34:37,516 and he can begin a new chapter in his life. 534 00:34:39,308 --> 00:34:41,727 When Jeffrey Epstein got out of jail, 535 00:34:41,727 --> 00:34:43,395 the fact that he was prosecuted, 536 00:34:43,395 --> 00:34:46,231 the fact that he was a registered sex offender 537 00:34:46,356 --> 00:34:48,274 didn't seem to stand in the way 538 00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:53,403 of his re-entry into high society, wealth and power. 539 00:34:56,196 --> 00:34:59,907 The power and influence he had convinced a lot of people 540 00:35:00,032 --> 00:35:01,284 to look the other way. 541 00:35:02,285 --> 00:35:04,369 Prince Andrew looked the other way. 542 00:35:06,329 --> 00:35:11,040 We also saw Bill Gates meeting with Epstein, despite his past. 543 00:35:12,584 --> 00:35:15,169 He was some sort of soothsayer, apparently, 544 00:35:15,169 --> 00:35:18,504 to a lot of these men that were asking him for advice. 545 00:35:18,504 --> 00:35:22,133 I think that a lot of people probably knew 546 00:35:22,258 --> 00:35:24,009 that everything was not on the up and up, 547 00:35:24,134 --> 00:35:28,053 but for whatever reason, they wanted to be a part of his inner circle. 548 00:35:30,347 --> 00:35:35,976 I had a reporter who was covering Epstein every step of the way. 549 00:35:38,187 --> 00:35:41,063 It was difficult to get people to pay attention. 550 00:35:42,564 --> 00:35:46,984 They felt like he had served his time and there you go. 551 00:35:46,984 --> 00:35:49,737 Epstein's conviction wasn't even a speed bump. 552 00:35:53,364 --> 00:35:55,741 I've been researching and writing about child trafficking 553 00:35:55,866 --> 00:35:57,910 since 2002, 2003, 554 00:35:58,035 --> 00:36:00,620 and I had this intuition that Jeffrey Epstein 555 00:36:00,620 --> 00:36:03,663 was very similar to the network that I'd investigated, 556 00:36:03,788 --> 00:36:08,918 and I just felt that something was seriously wrong. 557 00:36:08,918 --> 00:36:13,213 So in 2012, I went down to Florida 558 00:36:13,213 --> 00:36:16,590 and I had the good fortune of getting the black book. 559 00:36:20,676 --> 00:36:24,638 The black book is just a list of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts. 560 00:36:26,097 --> 00:36:28,724 It has billionaires, 561 00:36:28,724 --> 00:36:30,725 some people in showbiz, 562 00:36:30,850 --> 00:36:32,477 captains of industry. 563 00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:38,689 Um, and multiple girls were in the black book. 564 00:36:42,193 --> 00:36:44,694 I started talking to some of the girls, 565 00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:49,198 and they told me that they'd been flown here or flown there 566 00:36:49,198 --> 00:36:52,033 and then one told me that she'd been flown to an island. 567 00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:54,660 So in 2012, 568 00:36:54,785 --> 00:36:58,913 I believed Jeffrey Epstein was running a network. 569 00:36:59,038 --> 00:37:00,832 And I also had the flight logs. 570 00:37:02,166 --> 00:37:05,210 So were these the flight logs just for his private plane, then? 571 00:37:05,335 --> 00:37:06,211 Yes. 572 00:37:06,211 --> 00:37:08,963 Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz, 573 00:37:09,088 --> 00:37:11,422 Kevin Spacey, Larry Summers. 574 00:37:11,422 --> 00:37:13,383 I mean, there were a number of very powerful people 575 00:37:13,383 --> 00:37:16,552 that were flying with Jeffrey Epstein. 576 00:37:16,677 --> 00:37:20,471 And there were a number of girls on the flight logs, 577 00:37:20,596 --> 00:37:24,850 and I assumed that some of them were minors. 578 00:37:30,812 --> 00:37:33,440 I worked on getting that story published for three years, 579 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,235 and finally Gawker stepped up and published my work. 580 00:37:41,279 --> 00:37:43,738 The mainstream media just didn't want to embrace it. 581 00:37:48,617 --> 00:37:52,245 After that point, we would get glimpses of information. 582 00:37:53,705 --> 00:37:58,333 Virginia Giuffre, one of the Epstein survivors from Palm Beach, 583 00:37:58,333 --> 00:38:02,461 had moved to Australia after escaping Jeffrey Epstein. 584 00:38:02,461 --> 00:38:06,797 She claimed that she was trafficked to then-Prince Andrew 585 00:38:06,922 --> 00:38:08,340 when she was a minor. 586 00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:10,301 She was 17 at the time. 587 00:38:10,301 --> 00:38:13,344 Can you tell me about the photo that she provided 588 00:38:13,344 --> 00:38:17,431 to a newspaper in 2011? 589 00:38:17,431 --> 00:38:21,684 Virginia Giuffre had produced a now infamous photograph 590 00:38:21,809 --> 00:38:23,935 of her, then-Prince Andrew 591 00:38:24,060 --> 00:38:26,104 and Ghislaine Maxwell. 592 00:38:27,396 --> 00:38:29,482 Andrew claimed that it was a fake 593 00:38:29,607 --> 00:38:32,233 and denied criminal wrongdoing. 594 00:38:34,110 --> 00:38:35,277 Thing about Virginia is 595 00:38:35,277 --> 00:38:37,946 she'd been with Epstein for a couple of years 596 00:38:37,946 --> 00:38:40,323 and he had taken her everyplace. 597 00:38:40,448 --> 00:38:44,034 So she was pretty knowledgeable about his network 598 00:38:44,034 --> 00:38:47,536 and she was launching civil suits, 599 00:38:47,536 --> 00:38:52,040 and she named Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell as perpetrators 600 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,541 who trafficked her 601 00:38:53,541 --> 00:38:55,584 to his rich and powerful cronies. 602 00:38:57,628 --> 00:39:02,464 But she wasn't being taken seriously by the media. 603 00:39:04,633 --> 00:39:09,011 Jeffrey Epstein very aggressively bullied media organisations 604 00:39:09,011 --> 00:39:11,471 that tried to look under that rock. 605 00:39:14,681 --> 00:39:18,518 Things remained kind of dormant for a number of years, 606 00:39:18,643 --> 00:39:21,521 until another story came out of the Miami Herald 607 00:39:21,521 --> 00:39:24,439 and a reporter that went back and looked at some of the deals 608 00:39:24,564 --> 00:39:26,565 that were struck with Jeffrey Epstein. 609 00:39:27,983 --> 00:39:32,112 Julie Brown, her reporting really opened up the case. 610 00:39:32,237 --> 00:39:33,780 One second. 611 00:39:35,155 --> 00:39:36,490 Oh, you're calling Julie? 612 00:39:36,615 --> 00:39:40,743 Good morning. How are you? I'm wonderful. 613 00:39:40,868 --> 00:39:45,497 I have a very pleasant Australian reporter here in my office 614 00:39:45,497 --> 00:39:49,250 uh, that would like to chat with you 615 00:39:49,375 --> 00:39:51,167 if you could give her time. 616 00:39:51,292 --> 00:39:52,168 Hang on. OK. 617 00:39:52,168 --> 00:39:54,003 Hi, Julie. 618 00:39:54,129 --> 00:39:55,587 I've been contacted by a lot of people... 619 00:39:55,712 --> 00:39:58,382 Yeah, I can imagine. ..hard to keep it straight but... 620 00:39:58,382 --> 00:39:59,590 Yeah. 621 00:39:59,590 --> 00:40:02,343 Yeah, give me a call. But this week is not a good week. 622 00:40:02,343 --> 00:40:06,346 So we can talk about it later. OK. Yeah, sure. 623 00:40:20,356 --> 00:40:22,816 Hey, Julie. I'm so glad we could make this happen. 624 00:40:22,941 --> 00:40:24,609 Yes. 625 00:40:25,569 --> 00:40:27,737 Persistence pays off, right? Yep. It's OK. 626 00:40:27,862 --> 00:40:30,613 Especially since you were willing to come all the way to Philadelphia. 627 00:40:30,613 --> 00:40:32,657 I thought, "Oh, my God. This girl's never gonna give up. 628 00:40:32,782 --> 00:40:34,616 "I might as well just get it over with." 629 00:40:36,577 --> 00:40:39,954 Tell me how you came to investigate Jeffrey Epstein. 630 00:40:39,954 --> 00:40:44,207 Well, I started investigating it right before the election in 2016. 631 00:40:45,792 --> 00:40:49,253 Most journalists in America knew, you know, 632 00:40:49,378 --> 00:40:51,713 something about the Jeffrey Epstein case, 633 00:40:51,713 --> 00:40:54,382 especially Epstein's sweetheart deal. 634 00:40:54,506 --> 00:40:56,341 Very lenient plea deal. 635 00:40:56,341 --> 00:40:58,509 And there was a lot of stories about, 636 00:40:58,509 --> 00:41:01,721 "How did he get this deal? This doesn't make any sense." 637 00:41:01,721 --> 00:41:05,348 But nothing that I could find really showed me 638 00:41:05,348 --> 00:41:07,516 how he got away with this crime. 639 00:41:07,516 --> 00:41:10,311 And so I just started requesting the records, 640 00:41:10,435 --> 00:41:13,229 not knowing where it was going to lead me. 641 00:41:13,354 --> 00:41:16,857 Somehow, I got a list of almost a hundred victims. 642 00:41:18,358 --> 00:41:23,195 In the end, I had like four victims that were willing to go and talk. 643 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,280 And in the middle when I was doing that, 644 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,658 Trump nominated Alexander Acosta to be Labor secretary. 645 00:41:30,658 --> 00:41:34,287 I want to thank President Trump for the privilege of serving. 646 00:41:34,287 --> 00:41:37,372 Acosta was the US Attorney in Miami 647 00:41:37,498 --> 00:41:40,291 that signed off on Epstein's sweetheart deal. 648 00:41:40,291 --> 00:41:42,751 I, Alexander Acosta, do solemnly swear... 649 00:41:42,751 --> 00:41:47,588 So then I pitched a story that we would go to the victims 650 00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:51,466 and ask them, you know, what they think about the man 651 00:41:51,466 --> 00:41:53,676 that let their predator off the hook, 652 00:41:53,676 --> 00:41:55,552 who is now, by the way, in charge 653 00:41:55,552 --> 00:41:59,222 of one of the largest government agencies in the country 654 00:41:59,222 --> 00:42:01,682 with oversight of human trafficking. 655 00:42:03,350 --> 00:42:05,227 It was a high pressure story 656 00:42:05,227 --> 00:42:07,603 because it involved a lot of important people. 657 00:42:07,603 --> 00:42:12,023 It was going to be put online very early in the morning, 658 00:42:12,023 --> 00:42:15,693 so we sort of braced ourselves, I guess you could say. 659 00:42:15,693 --> 00:42:18,861 And at the time that morning, there was a funny story 660 00:42:18,861 --> 00:42:20,405 that was at the top of our leaderboard. 661 00:42:20,530 --> 00:42:22,447 My story was at the very bottom. 662 00:42:22,572 --> 00:42:25,700 And so I packed everything up. I thought, "That's it for the day. 663 00:42:25,826 --> 00:42:28,828 "You know, I'm going to take the day off." 664 00:42:28,953 --> 00:42:31,538 And I was getting all ready and another reporter said to me, 665 00:42:31,538 --> 00:42:33,164 "Julie, look at this story." 666 00:42:33,164 --> 00:42:35,791 And it was going boom, boom, boom. 667 00:42:36,875 --> 00:42:39,335 We are going to begin with a much closer look 668 00:42:39,335 --> 00:42:41,921 at the disturbing case of Jeffrey Epstein. 669 00:42:42,046 --> 00:42:44,464 Joining me this morning is Julie Brown of the Miami Herald. 670 00:42:44,464 --> 00:42:46,966 Investigative reporter behind the Miami Herald expose... 671 00:42:47,091 --> 00:42:49,301 Julie Brown, let me ask you, set the scene for us. 672 00:42:51,678 --> 00:42:55,013 This story uncovered this underbelly of society, 673 00:42:55,139 --> 00:42:56,598 of the rich and powerful 674 00:42:56,724 --> 00:43:00,309 and what they were doing to people who were less powerful. 675 00:43:00,309 --> 00:43:02,561 The Miami Herald series 676 00:43:02,561 --> 00:43:05,605 drops in November 2018. 677 00:43:09,233 --> 00:43:14,195 {\an8}It had such an impact that by July of the following year, 678 00:43:14,195 --> 00:43:18,573 Jeffrey Epstein is arrested and charged with sex trafficking. 679 00:43:20,658 --> 00:43:22,909 Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested 680 00:43:22,909 --> 00:43:26,037 for alleged sex trafficking of young girls, 681 00:43:26,037 --> 00:43:29,165 and agents have been coming in and out of his Manhattan mansion 682 00:43:29,290 --> 00:43:30,582 all morning. 683 00:43:30,582 --> 00:43:32,250 Epstein is charged in a two-count indictment. 684 00:43:32,375 --> 00:43:35,294 First - conspiracy to commit sex trafficking 685 00:43:35,419 --> 00:43:38,005 and second, sex trafficking of underage girls, 686 00:43:38,130 --> 00:43:41,758 beginning in at least 2002 and continuing until 2005 687 00:43:41,883 --> 00:43:45,093 at his mansion in New York and in Palm Beach, Florida. 688 00:43:46,178 --> 00:43:50,139 I'm not going into any dealings with main justice, 689 00:43:50,139 --> 00:43:51,639 I will say that we were assisted 690 00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:54,142 from some excellent investigative journalism. 691 00:43:56,101 --> 00:43:58,312 I just got a call from the news desk saying, 692 00:43:58,312 --> 00:44:00,188 {\an8}"We just got something over the wire 693 00:44:00,313 --> 00:44:02,397 {\an8}"that said that Epstein's been arrested." 694 00:44:02,397 --> 00:44:04,483 {\an8}I was like, oh, you know, it was incredible. 695 00:44:04,483 --> 00:44:06,609 {\an8}I was just... I couldn't believe it. 696 00:44:08,736 --> 00:44:10,862 Hi, Mark. It's Grace Tobin. 697 00:44:10,862 --> 00:44:14,032 Thanks so much for taking the time to talk to me today. 698 00:44:14,157 --> 00:44:15,157 Sure. 699 00:44:15,282 --> 00:44:16,784 When your brother was arrested, 700 00:44:16,784 --> 00:44:19,952 can you tell me what that was like, that moment? 701 00:44:19,952 --> 00:44:25,207 Jeffrey gets arrested, you know, we spoke the night before. 702 00:44:25,332 --> 00:44:26,791 He called me from Paris. 703 00:44:26,791 --> 00:44:29,502 Just a normal, you know, "What's new? How you doing?" call. 704 00:44:29,502 --> 00:44:32,670 And then he flies home the next day and he gets arrested. 705 00:44:34,255 --> 00:44:39,425 I wanted to be at his first court appearance the next day. 706 00:44:40,802 --> 00:44:43,637 He looked like such a small man. 707 00:44:43,637 --> 00:44:47,848 You know, small, frail, you know, human being. 708 00:44:47,848 --> 00:44:51,893 Um, just looked lost, quite frankly. 709 00:44:52,018 --> 00:44:54,687 I don't think he ever thought he was going to be rearrested. 710 00:44:54,687 --> 00:44:56,730 Now, yesterday, we were there in court. 711 00:44:56,855 --> 00:44:58,982 His attorneys are arguing that Epstein struck a deal 712 00:44:59,107 --> 00:45:02,484 with federal prosecutors in Florida over similar crimes, 713 00:45:02,484 --> 00:45:04,987 granting him immunity after he pleaded guilty 714 00:45:04,987 --> 00:45:06,987 to a lesser charge. 715 00:45:06,987 --> 00:45:10,532 The US attorney who struck that deal is Alexander Acosta. 716 00:45:11,992 --> 00:45:15,202 At that point, the media started in Washington asking Trump, 717 00:45:15,202 --> 00:45:18,913 "What's going to happen with Alexander Acosta?" 718 00:45:19,038 --> 00:45:20,248 Good afternoon. 719 00:45:20,248 --> 00:45:24,543 And I remember that Acosta did have a press conference. 720 00:45:24,543 --> 00:45:28,879 We believe that we proceeded appropriately. 721 00:45:30,298 --> 00:45:35,426 There was value to getting a guilty plea and having him registered. 722 00:45:35,551 --> 00:45:37,469 Thank you very much. Thank you. 723 00:45:39,429 --> 00:45:42,265 And I just remember listening to him, 724 00:45:42,389 --> 00:45:45,350 thinking, "These are all excuses. 725 00:45:45,350 --> 00:45:47,143 "They don't work anymore." 726 00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:50,229 And apparently it didn't work 727 00:45:50,353 --> 00:45:54,565 because he then, um, you know, resigned. 728 00:45:54,565 --> 00:45:56,942 And so I called the President this morning. 729 00:45:57,067 --> 00:46:01,029 I told him that I thought the right thing was to step aside. 730 00:46:02,071 --> 00:46:03,739 Finally, it seemed like the government 731 00:46:03,739 --> 00:46:05,782 was actually taking this seriously 732 00:46:05,907 --> 00:46:08,993 by charging Epstein with serious crimes, 733 00:46:09,118 --> 00:46:10,869 sex trafficking. 734 00:46:10,869 --> 00:46:14,580 And after that, other victims started to realise, "I'm not alone." 735 00:46:17,833 --> 00:46:21,252 When he was arrested, a lot of us were happy 736 00:46:21,377 --> 00:46:25,631 that there was a second chance for possibly some actual justice, 737 00:46:25,631 --> 00:46:28,758 because what happened in 2008 wasn't justice 738 00:46:28,883 --> 00:46:30,925 or him being held accountable. 739 00:46:30,925 --> 00:46:33,720 And at that point, 740 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,890 {\an8}I reached out to the FBI and I was like, uh... 741 00:46:39,015 --> 00:46:40,933 {\an8}..."Here's another one of us," you know? 742 00:46:40,933 --> 00:46:45,771 Um, "And I-I want to be a part of bringing him down." 743 00:47:00,948 --> 00:47:03,075 Jeffrey Epstein was staying at 744 00:47:03,075 --> 00:47:05,077 the rather notorious prison 745 00:47:05,077 --> 00:47:08,913 where people await trial on serious offences 746 00:47:08,913 --> 00:47:11,081 in the Southern District of New York. 747 00:47:13,124 --> 00:47:15,918 The Metropolitan Correctional Centre in Manhattan 748 00:47:15,918 --> 00:47:18,544 is an environment completely foreign to Jeffrey Epstein. 749 00:47:21,214 --> 00:47:22,964 The conditions were filthy. 750 00:47:23,090 --> 00:47:26,134 Rodents, cockroaches all over the place. 751 00:47:27,176 --> 00:47:28,427 I agreed to represent him 752 00:47:28,427 --> 00:47:30,553 and I met with him. 753 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,807 But just before that, there was this incident 754 00:47:33,807 --> 00:47:35,474 in which there was a suggestion 755 00:47:35,474 --> 00:47:36,976 that he tried to commit suicide. 756 00:47:38,269 --> 00:47:40,478 The multi-millionaire and convicted sex offender 757 00:47:40,603 --> 00:47:44,982 is now on suicide watch after he was found injured in his jail cell. 758 00:47:46,108 --> 00:47:48,442 I met with Jeffrey Epstein on August 1st 759 00:47:48,442 --> 00:47:50,194 for about five or six hours. 760 00:47:50,194 --> 00:47:53,738 He denied that he had tried to commit suicide. 761 00:47:54,780 --> 00:47:57,157 The story that he told about what had happened 762 00:47:57,157 --> 00:47:58,700 was that the cellmate he had 763 00:47:58,825 --> 00:48:00,535 forced him to put a rope around his neck, 764 00:48:00,535 --> 00:48:02,703 something, and pulled it, um, 765 00:48:02,828 --> 00:48:04,663 just to see the reaction Epstein would have. 766 00:48:06,580 --> 00:48:08,749 But he told the correctional officers 767 00:48:08,749 --> 00:48:10,291 that he couldn't remember what had happened 768 00:48:10,291 --> 00:48:12,877 because he was afraid if he got that guy in trouble, 769 00:48:13,003 --> 00:48:15,004 that he would have trouble himself. 770 00:48:16,463 --> 00:48:19,674 How was Jeffrey Epstein's mood that day when you look back? 771 00:48:19,799 --> 00:48:23,051 {\an8}Good. I mean, he, again, he didn't like being in the jail. 772 00:48:23,176 --> 00:48:26,054 {\an8}Um, but he was adamant about wanting to fight the case, 773 00:48:26,054 --> 00:48:27,680 {\an8}and he was energised by our meeting. 774 00:48:27,805 --> 00:48:29,849 I think he thought he had a strong legal argument, 775 00:48:29,849 --> 00:48:32,225 for example, on the agreement that he had made 776 00:48:32,350 --> 00:48:35,269 that he felt would have barred his prosecution. 777 00:48:37,229 --> 00:48:38,396 But nine days later, 778 00:48:38,521 --> 00:48:40,690 the last thing I would have imagined at the time happened. 779 00:48:44,276 --> 00:48:45,652 NBC News has learned 780 00:48:45,652 --> 00:48:49,363 that disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein is dead. 781 00:48:49,363 --> 00:48:51,364 Sources telling ABC News 782 00:48:51,364 --> 00:48:55,159 that accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide. 783 00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:57,953 It appeared that he had hung himself 784 00:48:57,953 --> 00:49:02,040 We're trying to figure out if he was still on suicide watch. 785 00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:04,791 It was astonishing. 786 00:49:06,375 --> 00:49:10,420 This is someone who is being prosecuted for historic crimes. 787 00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:13,048 The world's attention is on this. 788 00:49:13,173 --> 00:49:16,675 How is this man allowed to turn up dead? 789 00:49:24,056 --> 00:49:26,933 And then the next thing I know, I hear on the news 790 00:49:27,058 --> 00:49:29,226 that Jeffrey was found dead from an apparent suicide. 791 00:49:30,352 --> 00:49:32,771 And at first, I had... I had no reason to doubt it, 792 00:49:32,896 --> 00:49:34,730 because, you know, he was in jail 793 00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:37,274 and was facing a long time in jail, potentially. 794 00:49:37,399 --> 00:49:40,068 And I knew he wouldn't want to live that way in jail. 795 00:49:40,068 --> 00:49:41,778 So, I had no reason to doubt it 796 00:49:41,903 --> 00:49:43,904 and I accepted that he committed suicide. 797 00:49:45,072 --> 00:49:46,739 Anyway, the next day, I had to come back to New York 798 00:49:46,864 --> 00:49:48,407 to identify his body. 799 00:49:48,407 --> 00:49:50,034 As a family member, I had the right 800 00:49:50,034 --> 00:49:52,244 to have my own pathologist at the autopsy. 801 00:49:52,369 --> 00:49:54,745 You know, just to see everything was done right. 802 00:49:56,163 --> 00:49:59,082 I spoke to his brother, I insisted that the person I consider to be 803 00:49:59,207 --> 00:50:00,959 the top forensic pathologist in the world 804 00:50:01,084 --> 00:50:03,835 participate in an independent autopsy. 805 00:50:05,003 --> 00:50:06,837 So, his name is Michael Baden. 806 00:50:08,255 --> 00:50:12,968 I was medical examiner for the New York State Police for 25 years 807 00:50:13,093 --> 00:50:18,013 and did more than 20,000 autopsies. 808 00:50:19,138 --> 00:50:22,641 In this instance, I was asked to attend the autopsy 809 00:50:22,766 --> 00:50:24,685 that was going to be done the next day. 810 00:50:27,395 --> 00:50:30,939 The history was that he was found having committed suicide 811 00:50:30,939 --> 00:50:33,775 by hanging in his jail cell. 812 00:50:35,526 --> 00:50:37,236 When looking at the body, there was 813 00:50:37,236 --> 00:50:41,322 a little odd situation there because the ligature furrow 814 00:50:41,447 --> 00:50:44,408 around the neck was horizontal. 815 00:50:45,534 --> 00:50:46,784 In a suicidal hanging, 816 00:50:46,784 --> 00:50:49,745 the ligature mark is usually 817 00:50:49,745 --> 00:50:52,622 up the high part of the neck and goes upwards. 818 00:50:52,622 --> 00:50:56,667 And then the moment of surprise, 819 00:50:56,667 --> 00:50:58,960 there were three fractures - 820 00:50:59,085 --> 00:51:01,337 two of the thyroid cartilage, 821 00:51:01,462 --> 00:51:03,505 which is the Adam's apple, 822 00:51:03,630 --> 00:51:07,717 and one of the hyoid bone. 823 00:51:07,717 --> 00:51:11,344 In 50 years of doing this, I've never seen that. 824 00:51:11,469 --> 00:51:13,138 That's much more common, 825 00:51:13,138 --> 00:51:17,850 a crushing injury, in a homicidal strangulation. 826 00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:19,642 So, I think, at that point, 827 00:51:19,767 --> 00:51:24,730 there was concern as to whether it was suicide as thought or not. 828 00:51:26,522 --> 00:51:29,859 So, the medical examiner of New York City, who conducted it, 829 00:51:29,984 --> 00:51:32,444 she said that it was inconclusive - 830 00:51:32,444 --> 00:51:33,904 she couldn't say it was suicide. 831 00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:40,658 But then her boss, three or four days later, 832 00:51:40,658 --> 00:51:43,118 changed it to suicide. 833 00:51:46,537 --> 00:51:49,874 And then, OK, now all kinds of questions start coming up 834 00:51:49,999 --> 00:51:51,333 and wheels start turning. 835 00:51:54,877 --> 00:51:57,671 Barbara Sampson, the chief medical examiner - 836 00:51:57,796 --> 00:51:59,672 and she was not at the autopsy - 837 00:51:59,797 --> 00:52:03,592 and so she comes up with the conclusion of suicide based on what? 838 00:52:03,592 --> 00:52:06,385 {\an8}Tonight, Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys questioning 839 00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:09,513 {\an8}whether his death was a suicide, saying they will even 840 00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:10,931 {\an8}pursue, quote: 841 00:52:18,895 --> 00:52:21,022 {\an8}And it turned out somehow, magically, 842 00:52:21,147 --> 00:52:23,190 the cameras malfunctioned that day 843 00:52:23,315 --> 00:52:26,193 or was in a place where the camera didn't reach. 844 00:52:27,568 --> 00:52:29,904 So, this is now a correctional officer taking an inmate down. 845 00:52:30,029 --> 00:52:33,573 This is supposed to be Jeffrey Epstein now. 846 00:52:33,698 --> 00:52:37,910 You're talking about August 9th, at almost 8:00 in the evening. 847 00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:39,536 August 10th is when he was dead. 848 00:52:40,662 --> 00:52:42,121 Do you think it's suspicious 849 00:52:42,121 --> 00:52:44,998 that there's only this one camera angle available? 850 00:52:44,998 --> 00:52:47,166 That that's the only image? 851 00:52:47,166 --> 00:52:50,252 If that's accurate, yes, I do, I think it's suspicious. 852 00:52:50,252 --> 00:52:54,880 And, um, you might say coincidental that the cameras are malfunctioning, 853 00:52:55,005 --> 00:52:57,550 you know, around that time, but pretty unbelievable. 854 00:52:58,341 --> 00:53:00,385 There were so many anomalies that night. 855 00:53:00,385 --> 00:53:03,387 His cellmate had been taken out, 856 00:53:03,512 --> 00:53:05,597 the guards were sleeping, 857 00:53:05,722 --> 00:53:08,307 the cameras were down. 858 00:53:08,307 --> 00:53:12,185 All of these mysterious things fuelled a lot of conspiracy theories. 859 00:53:12,185 --> 00:53:14,270 {\an8}There's just no way you can hang yourself 860 00:53:14,395 --> 00:53:16,105 {\an8}off of a bunk bed at that height. 861 00:53:16,105 --> 00:53:18,481 I think we have found Jeffrey Epstein's killer. 862 00:53:18,481 --> 00:53:20,692 And it's the most secure federal lockup in the United States, 863 00:53:20,692 --> 00:53:21,734 and he got murdered in it. 864 00:53:21,859 --> 00:53:23,360 Who has the power to do that? 865 00:53:27,572 --> 00:53:31,283 I've been studying conspiracy theories for 15 years. 866 00:53:31,408 --> 00:53:35,202 When I polled Americans asking them what they thought about his death, 867 00:53:35,202 --> 00:53:37,413 half the country thought it was a conspiracy, 868 00:53:37,413 --> 00:53:39,914 that he was killed by people 869 00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:43,959 who were trying to cover up their involvement with him. 870 00:53:43,959 --> 00:53:47,169 And you don't normally get, 871 00:53:47,169 --> 00:53:50,755 uh, conspiracy theories getting half the country to buy in. 872 00:53:50,755 --> 00:53:52,424 Yeah, I don't believe any conspiracy theory, 873 00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:54,675 {\an8}but the fact that he wanted to fight this case, 874 00:53:54,675 --> 00:53:57,219 {\an8}uh, until the day before he died, 875 00:53:57,219 --> 00:53:59,888 {\an8}um, says to me that it's unlikely he committed suicide. 876 00:54:02,514 --> 00:54:04,725 I believe he was murdered. 877 00:54:04,725 --> 00:54:07,435 And if they do a real investigation and they talk to the right people, 878 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,188 they could figure out what actually took place. 879 00:54:12,522 --> 00:54:16,108 Do you believe that Epstein committed suicide? 880 00:54:16,108 --> 00:54:18,735 No. No, I just don't believe it. 881 00:54:18,735 --> 00:54:21,029 Um... no. 882 00:54:21,863 --> 00:54:25,240 {\an8}He had only been there for a month. 883 00:54:26,449 --> 00:54:29,243 I just think it was too soon for him to throw in the towel. 884 00:54:32,078 --> 00:54:34,122 From the Jeffrey Epstein that I knew, 885 00:54:34,246 --> 00:54:37,166 no, I don't think he killed himself, I just don't. 886 00:54:37,291 --> 00:54:39,876 And I believe he always thought he was going to get out of it. 887 00:54:39,876 --> 00:54:43,879 {\an8}He knew that he wasn't going to get the slap on the wrist this time. 888 00:54:43,879 --> 00:54:47,256 {\an8}Uh, very damaging documents in the case came out, 889 00:54:47,256 --> 00:54:50,342 {\an8}two days before, he changed his will. 890 00:54:50,467 --> 00:54:53,970 A lot of people think he might have been killed, 891 00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:56,472 others think he killed himself. 892 00:54:56,597 --> 00:54:59,265 I really think he decided to take his life. 893 00:54:59,265 --> 00:55:02,893 That was the last bit of control that he had. 894 00:55:04,978 --> 00:55:07,063 When I heard about that, 895 00:55:07,188 --> 00:55:11,399 I just... I was heartbroken for these girls. 896 00:55:13,318 --> 00:55:15,194 A federal judge has officially dismissed 897 00:55:15,319 --> 00:55:17,488 the criminal case against Jeffrey Epstein. 898 00:55:19,322 --> 00:55:21,324 They have never gotten justice, 899 00:55:21,449 --> 00:55:24,493 and, you know, they didn't deserve this. 900 00:55:27,995 --> 00:55:31,957 I was going through my own feelings in 2019 when he died. 901 00:55:32,082 --> 00:55:34,125 Uh, he was kind of a mentor to me, 902 00:55:34,125 --> 00:55:36,001 but he was also my abuser. 903 00:55:36,001 --> 00:55:38,253 Um, so, it was a very confusing time for me, 904 00:55:38,253 --> 00:55:40,380 and I wanted to know answers about my life. 905 00:55:40,505 --> 00:55:43,340 So I reached out at that time to other survivors 906 00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:45,509 and called Virginia. 907 00:55:46,425 --> 00:55:48,344 I had my first conversation with her. 908 00:55:49,845 --> 00:55:52,472 There's just something that she had in her 909 00:55:52,472 --> 00:55:54,974 that I looked up to 910 00:55:54,974 --> 00:55:59,352 and I really thought was very brave. 911 00:56:03,355 --> 00:56:06,232 We are here in Loxahatchee Groves, 912 00:56:06,232 --> 00:56:09,235 which is a rural part of Palm Beach County, 913 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,488 in which Virginia Roberts Giuffre grew up. 914 00:56:15,156 --> 00:56:17,116 Not terribly affluent. 915 00:56:19,242 --> 00:56:21,327 I was recruited at a very young age 916 00:56:21,327 --> 00:56:26,205 from Mar-a-Lago and entrapped in a world that I didn't understand, 917 00:56:26,330 --> 00:56:28,374 and I've been fighting that very world to this day. 918 00:56:28,499 --> 00:56:31,293 And I won't stop fighting. I will never be silenced. 919 00:56:32,794 --> 00:56:38,298 And here we have Mar-a-Lago, President Trump's, uh, private club. 920 00:56:39,549 --> 00:56:43,510 Virginia Giuffre was a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago, 921 00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:47,722 and Ghislaine Maxwell used to go there for massages. 922 00:56:49,765 --> 00:56:53,935 Ghislaine Maxwell asked her if she wanted to learn to be a masseuse 923 00:56:54,060 --> 00:56:56,312 and to come to Epstein's house, 924 00:56:56,312 --> 00:56:59,647 and that was where she suffered the first abuse. 925 00:57:00,982 --> 00:57:02,983 Do you know Virginia Roberts? 926 00:57:04,151 --> 00:57:05,777 So, she's... Say again, who? 927 00:57:05,903 --> 00:57:07,153 Virginia Roberts. 928 00:57:08,571 --> 00:57:09,489 Can you spell it? 929 00:57:10,947 --> 00:57:13,325 Common spelling. Can you spell it for me, please? 930 00:57:14,909 --> 00:57:17,703 R-O-B-E-R-T-S. 931 00:57:17,703 --> 00:57:21,247 And, just for the record, I can only spell it the way that it was spelled 932 00:57:21,372 --> 00:57:23,999 in your flight logs from your airplane. 933 00:57:26,959 --> 00:57:29,879 Virginia Roberts Giuffre was instrumental 934 00:57:29,879 --> 00:57:31,379 in this story coming forward. 935 00:57:31,379 --> 00:57:34,340 She is the reason, to a very large extent, 936 00:57:34,340 --> 00:57:36,926 that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell 937 00:57:37,051 --> 00:57:38,468 were even prosecuted, 938 00:57:38,593 --> 00:57:42,055 because of the trail, of the public record 939 00:57:42,179 --> 00:57:44,556 that she left in her civil lawsuits. 940 00:57:46,933 --> 00:57:51,269 Virginia Giuffre was not only key in exposing Jeffrey Epstein, 941 00:57:51,394 --> 00:57:54,939 you know, she named names of other people, 942 00:57:55,064 --> 00:57:56,565 such as Prince Andrew. 943 00:57:57,733 --> 00:58:00,276 Abuse allegations that have been plaguing the Prince 944 00:58:00,401 --> 00:58:04,238 for years now laid bare on prime-time TV. 945 00:58:04,238 --> 00:58:07,073 Virginia Roberts Giuffre alleges Prince Andrew 946 00:58:07,073 --> 00:58:11,159 first sexually abused her at Ms Maxwell's London home. 947 00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:12,994 Ghislaine woke me up in the morning and said, 948 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:14,537 "You're gonna meet a prince today." 949 00:58:15,412 --> 00:58:17,456 I didn't know at that point 950 00:58:17,456 --> 00:58:21,084 {\an8}that I was going to be trafficked to that prince. 951 00:58:21,084 --> 00:58:24,336 {\an8}And Ghislaine said, "He's coming back to the house, 952 00:58:24,336 --> 00:58:28,214 {\an8}"and I want you to do for him what you do for Epstein." 953 00:58:28,214 --> 00:58:30,966 One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts... 954 00:58:30,966 --> 00:58:33,468 Yeah. ..has made allegations against you. 955 00:58:40,306 --> 00:58:42,724 {\an8}It's been six years now... Yeah. 956 00:58:42,850 --> 00:58:46,686 ...since that famous, infamous interview with Prince Andrew. 957 00:58:46,811 --> 00:58:49,939 Did you ever think that you would still be talking about it now? 958 00:58:49,939 --> 00:58:53,733 In a way, I wish the whole conversation had started earlier. 959 00:58:53,733 --> 00:58:59,112 You know, we knew when we did it that it had to be a document, 960 00:58:59,237 --> 00:59:01,656 a public record, in case it was ever useful. 961 00:59:04,116 --> 00:59:06,576 He was in the room when I arrived. 962 00:59:06,576 --> 00:59:09,328 He looked ready for it. 963 00:59:09,453 --> 00:59:13,123 He looked like a man who had waited a long time 964 00:59:13,123 --> 00:59:16,000 to kind of get it off his chest, frankly. 965 00:59:16,125 --> 00:59:22,171 There is no good time to talk about Mr Epstein. 966 00:59:22,171 --> 00:59:26,966 My sense is that he thought he was his own best weapon 967 00:59:26,966 --> 00:59:29,343 in terms of killing the story dead. 968 00:59:29,469 --> 00:59:33,054 She says she met you in 2001, 969 00:59:33,054 --> 00:59:35,723 and she went on to have sex with you 970 00:59:35,723 --> 00:59:39,851 in a house in Belgravia belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell. 971 00:59:39,976 --> 00:59:41,519 Didn't happen. 972 00:59:41,644 --> 00:59:43,687 Do you remember her? 973 00:59:43,812 --> 00:59:45,063 No. 974 00:59:45,063 --> 00:59:47,857 He tried to tell me that it was a fake photo. 975 00:59:47,982 --> 00:59:53,195 We can't be certain as to whether or not that's my hand on-on-on her, 976 00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,363 uh, whatever it is, left... left side. 977 00:59:56,363 --> 01:00:00,033 He'd worked out his, um, alibi. 978 01:00:00,158 --> 01:00:06,162 I'd taken Beatrice to a PizzaExpress in Woking. 979 01:00:06,287 --> 01:00:08,664 His team had thought it had gone pretty well. 980 01:00:08,790 --> 01:00:11,249 Britain's Prince Andrew is facing backlash 981 01:00:11,249 --> 01:00:13,877 after a widely criticised television interview. 982 01:00:14,002 --> 01:00:18,047 One UK paper calling the Prince entitled and obtuse. 983 01:00:18,047 --> 01:00:20,340 Four days after Newsnight broadcast 984 01:00:20,340 --> 01:00:23,717 its interview with Prince Andrew, he's made this announcement. 985 01:00:23,717 --> 01:00:26,677 "I have asked Her Majesty if I may step back from 986 01:00:26,677 --> 01:00:29,013 "public duties for the foreseeable future, 987 01:00:29,138 --> 01:00:31,264 "and she has given her permission." 988 01:00:31,264 --> 01:00:35,101 The interview that he gave the BBC, 989 01:00:35,101 --> 01:00:38,478 that was beyond disingenuous. 990 01:00:39,813 --> 01:00:42,397 He started his slow decline 991 01:00:42,397 --> 01:00:46,275 to ultimately being stripped of his princehood. 992 01:00:46,401 --> 01:00:49,737 And I think that that was the beginning of the end. 993 01:00:50,654 --> 01:00:53,657 It's... it's an eye for an eye, a scar for a scar. 994 01:00:57,076 --> 01:00:58,910 No matter how much I go through therapy, 995 01:00:59,035 --> 01:01:02,496 I'm embedded with scars that will never leave me, ever. 996 01:01:07,917 --> 01:01:11,128 Virginia Giuffre was also instrumental to 997 01:01:11,253 --> 01:01:14,797 the downfall of the other person in that photograph - Ghislaine Maxwell. 998 01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:21,094 In 2022, Ghislaine Maxwell was sentenced to 20 years in prison 999 01:01:21,219 --> 01:01:23,178 for sex trafficking and other crimes. 1000 01:01:26,639 --> 01:01:29,767 But there was a growing public outrage 1001 01:01:29,767 --> 01:01:34,395 that she was the only person to face consequences in the Epstein scandal. 1002 01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,856 People were asking, "What about the men?" 1003 01:01:38,732 --> 01:01:40,650 No-one had brought charges, 1004 01:01:40,775 --> 01:01:45,362 and this was across Republican and Democratic administrations. 1005 01:01:48,906 --> 01:01:53,201 When and how did concerns about Epstein's crimes 1006 01:01:53,201 --> 01:01:57,121 start spilling over into the territory of the public 1007 01:01:57,246 --> 01:01:59,247 really wanting to see the files? 1008 01:01:59,247 --> 01:02:03,375 Donald Trump really was the one who prompted that. 1009 01:02:06,669 --> 01:02:10,213 Then he got to be embroiled in it himself. 1010 01:02:12,257 --> 01:02:13,175 Donald Trump's name 1011 01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:14,925 is all over these files. 1012 01:02:14,925 --> 01:02:17,303 Flight logs show Trump travelled on Epstein's 1013 01:02:17,428 --> 01:02:20,889 private jet many more times than prosecutors were aware. 1014 01:02:24,183 --> 01:02:27,310 {\an8}Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump? 1015 01:02:28,603 --> 01:02:30,729 {\an8}What do you mean by "personal relationship", sir? 1016 01:02:30,854 --> 01:02:33,940 {\an8}Have you socialised with him? Yes, sir. 1017 01:02:34,064 --> 01:02:35,733 {\an8}Yes? Yes, sir. 1018 01:02:35,858 --> 01:02:38,651 {\an8}Have you ever socialised with Donald Trump 1019 01:02:38,777 --> 01:02:43,822 {\an8}in the presence of females under the age of 18? 1020 01:02:47,575 --> 01:02:50,952 {\an8}Though I'd like to answer that question, at least today, 1021 01:02:50,952 --> 01:02:52,287 {\an8}I'm going to have to assert my 1022 01:02:52,287 --> 01:02:55,331 {\an8}Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth Amendment rights, sir. 1023 01:02:57,833 --> 01:03:00,043 It's indisputable that Trump had 1024 01:03:00,043 --> 01:03:03,128 a long-term friendship with Epstein. 1025 01:03:03,253 --> 01:03:04,713 He told the world about it. 1026 01:03:04,838 --> 01:03:08,299 Do you still think Jeffrey Epstein is a terrific guy? 1027 01:03:08,424 --> 01:03:10,675 Well, I knew him, like everybody in Palm Beach knew him. 1028 01:03:10,675 --> 01:03:12,260 I mean, people in Palm Beach knew him. 1029 01:03:12,385 --> 01:03:14,220 He was a fixture in Palm Beach. 1030 01:03:14,345 --> 01:03:16,305 There was the infamous interview 1031 01:03:16,305 --> 01:03:19,682 where he called Epstein a great guy, 1032 01:03:19,682 --> 01:03:22,559 likes women "on the younger side". 1033 01:03:23,602 --> 01:03:27,063 Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday book in 2003 1034 01:03:27,063 --> 01:03:31,191 has a drawing of a nude female figure 1035 01:03:31,191 --> 01:03:32,692 {\an8}with Trump's name on it. 1036 01:03:33,819 --> 01:03:35,486 He denies that it's his signature, 1037 01:03:35,611 --> 01:03:37,905 we have multiple handwriting experts 1038 01:03:37,905 --> 01:03:39,864 saying that it is. 1039 01:03:39,989 --> 01:03:41,700 I don't do drawings. 1040 01:03:41,825 --> 01:03:43,450 I'm not a drawing person. 1041 01:03:44,201 --> 01:03:46,369 The fact that he had such a long, 1042 01:03:46,494 --> 01:03:48,704 personal friendship with Epstein 1043 01:03:48,704 --> 01:03:50,706 raises questions about 1044 01:03:50,706 --> 01:03:53,667 what he knew about Epstein's behaviour. 1045 01:03:53,667 --> 01:03:55,793 I had a falling out with him a long time ago. 1046 01:03:55,793 --> 01:03:59,462 I don't think I've spoken to him for 15 years. I wasn't a fan. 1047 01:04:00,672 --> 01:04:02,965 When do you think it was that the Epstein files 1048 01:04:02,965 --> 01:04:06,175 actually started becoming a big problem for President Trump? 1049 01:04:06,175 --> 01:04:11,555 I think it became a problem soon after he assumed office again. 1050 01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,056 We are going to drain the swamp, 1051 01:04:14,056 --> 01:04:15,933 and we're going to do it once and for all. 1052 01:04:15,933 --> 01:04:19,519 Prior to his re-election, he had been asked point-blank, 1053 01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:21,730 would you support releasing the files? 1054 01:04:21,730 --> 01:04:24,231 Would you declassify the Epstein files? 1055 01:04:24,356 --> 01:04:26,357 Yeah. Yeah, I would. 1056 01:04:26,357 --> 01:04:30,235 And many of the people around him, they said yes. 1057 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,237 Seriously, we need to release the Epstein list. 1058 01:04:32,237 --> 01:04:33,697 That is an important thing. 1059 01:04:33,822 --> 01:04:37,658 How is it that my father can be convicted of 34 crimes, 1060 01:04:37,658 --> 01:04:42,161 but no-one on Epstein's list has even been brought to light. 1061 01:04:42,286 --> 01:04:44,246 So, this was a campaign promise 1062 01:04:44,246 --> 01:04:46,622 that they had made to their supporters. 1063 01:04:47,373 --> 01:04:50,500 Ghislaine. Look into her father, Robert Maxwell. 1064 01:04:50,625 --> 01:04:53,211 All the answers are right there. Yeah. Because he was a spy. 1065 01:04:53,211 --> 01:04:55,588 Trump built a coalition of followers 1066 01:04:55,588 --> 01:04:58,465 who are very conspiratorial in their world views 1067 01:04:58,465 --> 01:05:02,134 and were already Epstein conspiracy theorists. 1068 01:05:03,177 --> 01:05:05,346 You don't know that she's 16, and she takes you in a room 1069 01:05:05,471 --> 01:05:07,889 and that room is filled with cameras, that's... 1070 01:05:07,889 --> 01:05:09,724 Blackmail. Yeah. 1071 01:05:09,724 --> 01:05:14,435 So, there were fantasies about massive sex-trafficking rings, 1072 01:05:14,435 --> 01:05:16,896 views about blackmail rings, 1073 01:05:16,896 --> 01:05:18,480 and that Epstein was controlling 1074 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,648 all sorts of rich and powerful people. 1075 01:05:20,774 --> 01:05:22,858 I believe very strongly he was a spy, yes. 1076 01:05:22,983 --> 01:05:24,610 And who do you think he was working for? 1077 01:05:24,735 --> 01:05:26,360 The Israelis. 1078 01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:30,489 Trump cosied up to QAnon, and it created a lore around him 1079 01:05:30,614 --> 01:05:34,158 that he was bringing down these evil, powerful people, 1080 01:05:34,283 --> 01:05:36,911 'cause the establishment was entirely corrupt 1081 01:05:36,911 --> 01:05:39,245 and he was the outsider who was going to come in 1082 01:05:39,245 --> 01:05:40,789 and drain the swamp. 1083 01:05:48,670 --> 01:05:50,754 So, early in Trump's second term, 1084 01:05:50,879 --> 01:05:53,799 he appoints Pam Bondi as Attorney-General, 1085 01:05:53,799 --> 01:05:58,593 and she runs with the Epstein story almost immediately. 1086 01:05:58,593 --> 01:06:01,137 This is something Donald Trump has talked about. 1087 01:06:01,137 --> 01:06:05,516 The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients? 1088 01:06:05,516 --> 01:06:08,434 In February of 2025, 1089 01:06:08,434 --> 01:06:10,143 Bondi goes out and says 1090 01:06:10,268 --> 01:06:15,773 that she has the Epstein files and the client list on her desk. 1091 01:06:15,773 --> 01:06:18,858 It's sitting on my desk right now, to review. 1092 01:06:18,858 --> 01:06:21,361 That's been a directive by President Trump. 1093 01:06:21,361 --> 01:06:24,989 Then there's a 180-degree reversal. 1094 01:06:26,406 --> 01:06:28,616 There's the release of the July memo 1095 01:06:28,616 --> 01:06:31,827 from the FBI and the Department of Justice. 1096 01:06:31,952 --> 01:06:34,662 And the July memo says an extraordinary thing. 1097 01:06:34,787 --> 01:06:36,831 It says that there are more than 1098 01:06:36,956 --> 01:06:40,291 a thousand survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's abuse, 1099 01:06:40,291 --> 01:06:42,876 and then says there's nothing to investigate, 1100 01:06:42,876 --> 01:06:45,212 there's nothing to release, 1101 01:06:45,212 --> 01:06:46,671 turn the other way. 1102 01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:49,841 There was, quote, "No client list 1103 01:06:49,966 --> 01:06:52,509 "or evidence that he blackmailed prominent figures," 1104 01:06:52,509 --> 01:06:54,969 according to a memo detailing the findings. 1105 01:06:55,094 --> 01:06:58,680 The review also concluded that Epstein died by suicide 1106 01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,974 while in custody at a Manhattan correctional facility. 1107 01:07:00,974 --> 01:07:05,102 That memo just sent shock waves throughout the American ether, 1108 01:07:05,102 --> 01:07:08,688 especially with the MAGA base who was so invested. 1109 01:07:08,688 --> 01:07:11,064 All those videos are saying, "Yeah, she's seen the videos, 1110 01:07:11,189 --> 01:07:12,482 "it's all coming out." 1111 01:07:12,482 --> 01:07:14,650 And then now it doesn't exist. I mean, what? What?! 1112 01:07:14,650 --> 01:07:17,278 Joe, wanna check the tweet that Elon just put out? 1113 01:07:17,278 --> 01:07:19,154 "Time to drop the really big bomb. 1114 01:07:19,154 --> 01:07:21,406 "Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. 1115 01:07:21,406 --> 01:07:23,574 "That's the real reason they have not been made public." 1116 01:07:23,699 --> 01:07:26,075 The Jeffrey Epstein case has caused backlash 1117 01:07:26,075 --> 01:07:27,243 within President Trump's base, 1118 01:07:27,243 --> 01:07:30,412 fuelling conspiracy theories that more details exist 1119 01:07:30,412 --> 01:07:32,414 but are being hidden from the public. 1120 01:07:33,540 --> 01:07:35,374 I'm not gonna play with these anymore. 1121 01:07:35,374 --> 01:07:37,126 MAGA hats are off. 1122 01:07:44,256 --> 01:07:46,049 Burn, baby, burn. 1123 01:07:46,174 --> 01:07:49,427 And this is a great representation of what's left of MAGA. 1124 01:07:50,927 --> 01:07:54,221 I think the President always felt like he could control his MAGA base, 1125 01:07:54,221 --> 01:07:55,681 but it's the influencers 1126 01:07:55,681 --> 01:07:58,350 who have also really kept this story alive 1127 01:07:58,350 --> 01:08:00,435 and have been very critical of him. 1128 01:08:00,435 --> 01:08:02,645 We voted for Trump because we wanted justice, 1129 01:08:02,770 --> 01:08:05,564 and justice involves actually holding accountable 1130 01:08:05,689 --> 01:08:07,482 the people who committed that wrongdoing. 1131 01:08:18,198 --> 01:08:20,408 It just continued and continued, 1132 01:08:20,408 --> 01:08:23,535 and the President himself kept calling it a hoax. 1133 01:08:23,535 --> 01:08:25,621 Well, I haven't been overly interested in it. 1134 01:08:25,621 --> 01:08:27,205 You know, it's something... 1135 01:08:27,205 --> 01:08:29,916 It's a hoax that's been built up way beyond proportion. 1136 01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,626 I know it's a hoax. It's started by Democrats. 1137 01:08:32,751 --> 01:08:34,210 When you call something a hoax, 1138 01:08:34,210 --> 01:08:36,337 and yet people know that there's a tremendous amount of evidence 1139 01:08:36,462 --> 01:08:37,713 out there that it's not a hoax, 1140 01:08:37,713 --> 01:08:40,548 it makes them only want to know more about it. 1141 01:08:40,548 --> 01:08:42,466 {\an8}The President writing on social media: 1142 01:08:52,140 --> 01:08:53,809 Some stupid Republicans 1143 01:08:53,934 --> 01:08:56,310 and foolish Republicans fall into the net. 1144 01:08:56,310 --> 01:08:57,977 I call it the Epstein hoax. 1145 01:09:01,815 --> 01:09:03,440 Hello? Hi. Come on in. Hi. 1146 01:09:03,565 --> 01:09:04,775 Marjorie. Yes, hello. 1147 01:09:04,900 --> 01:09:07,068 Hi, I'm Grace Tobin. Nice to meet you. 1148 01:09:07,193 --> 01:09:10,779 Nice to meet you, too. Grab a seat under this big ball light. 1149 01:09:10,779 --> 01:09:12,489 Yeah, that's quite a light. I know, isn't it? 1150 01:09:12,489 --> 01:09:13,824 Oh, my gosh. Yeah. 1151 01:09:15,533 --> 01:09:18,994 Do you think that these supporters are losing heart and losing trust 1152 01:09:19,119 --> 01:09:22,329 in President Trump now because of the Epstein files? 1153 01:09:22,329 --> 01:09:24,331 Many of them, yes. 1154 01:09:24,456 --> 01:09:26,916 It was a line in the sand for them. 1155 01:09:26,916 --> 01:09:29,627 They couldn't understand it the same way I couldn't understand it. 1156 01:09:29,627 --> 01:09:31,461 Why would he cover this up? 1157 01:09:31,586 --> 01:09:33,797 And that was, um... 1158 01:09:35,297 --> 01:09:39,134 That was something that none of us ever expected from President Trump. 1159 01:09:46,889 --> 01:09:50,517 I'm Rick Frazier, and I presently live in St Marys, Ohio. 1160 01:09:50,642 --> 01:09:52,269 Mmm. It's good. 1161 01:09:52,269 --> 01:09:53,978 Mm. Strong? Good coffee. 1162 01:09:55,563 --> 01:10:00,358 I'm a front-row Joe, and I'd show up five, six days ahead of time 1163 01:10:00,483 --> 01:10:02,067 to one of his rallies. 1164 01:10:02,192 --> 01:10:03,986 It's very quick, but it's brutal. 1165 01:10:03,986 --> 01:10:06,821 I still worked hard to help Trump, you know, get elected. 1166 01:10:08,781 --> 01:10:12,701 But, to be honest with you, it pisses me off that - 1167 01:10:12,701 --> 01:10:14,285 if I can use that language - 1168 01:10:14,285 --> 01:10:16,787 that on one hand, 1169 01:10:16,787 --> 01:10:20,040 we were promised by the President that this is gonna happen. 1170 01:10:21,082 --> 01:10:22,541 Then, on the other hand, 1171 01:10:22,666 --> 01:10:25,628 he turns around and it didn't happen. 1172 01:10:25,753 --> 01:10:29,756 I can't see why he... who he's protecting. 1173 01:10:29,756 --> 01:10:32,466 I honestly, in my mind, don't think he's involved. 1174 01:10:32,466 --> 01:10:34,842 You can be in pictures with anyone, 1175 01:10:34,967 --> 01:10:38,011 but until we got transparency, how do we know? 1176 01:10:44,266 --> 01:10:46,726 There is new pressure on the Trump Administration 1177 01:10:46,726 --> 01:10:49,896 from Republicans looking into the Jeffrey Epstein case. 1178 01:10:49,896 --> 01:10:52,481 Donald Trump is aimed at one of his own, 1179 01:10:52,481 --> 01:10:55,316 Republican congressman Thomas Massie. 1180 01:10:55,316 --> 01:10:58,485 This moron Thomas Massie, 1181 01:10:58,485 --> 01:11:00,695 there's something wrong with him. 1182 01:11:05,658 --> 01:11:09,035 When did you first start becoming concerned 1183 01:11:09,035 --> 01:11:11,787 about what's now known as the Epstein files? 1184 01:11:11,787 --> 01:11:14,997 So, it started a couple years ago for me, 1185 01:11:15,122 --> 01:11:17,541 and it really came to the forefront 1186 01:11:17,541 --> 01:11:20,710 when President Trump and people in his Cabinet 1187 01:11:20,835 --> 01:11:23,545 promised that they were going to release these files. 1188 01:11:23,545 --> 01:11:26,547 But none of them followed through on their promise, 1189 01:11:26,673 --> 01:11:28,883 which became suspicious to me. 1190 01:11:30,092 --> 01:11:33,262 My Democrat colleague Ro Khanna, from California, 1191 01:11:33,387 --> 01:11:35,596 cares about the victims, 1192 01:11:35,596 --> 01:11:38,723 and so I reached out to him and said, 1193 01:11:38,848 --> 01:11:42,935 "Ro, um, if I do a discharge petition, 1194 01:11:42,935 --> 01:11:48,690 "do you think you could get every single Democrat to sign it?" 1195 01:11:48,690 --> 01:11:51,608 And he did deliver on that promise. 1196 01:11:52,943 --> 01:11:55,528 Democrat Ro Khanna and Republican Thomas Massie 1197 01:11:55,528 --> 01:11:57,530 are leading a bipartisan push in the House 1198 01:11:57,530 --> 01:11:59,072 for the release of the Epstein files. 1199 01:11:59,072 --> 01:12:01,783 People feel that the rich and the powerful 1200 01:12:01,908 --> 01:12:04,076 have been not held accountable, 1201 01:12:04,076 --> 01:12:06,202 that they have a different set of rules, 1202 01:12:06,202 --> 01:12:08,705 and that there may be government officials involved. 1203 01:12:08,705 --> 01:12:12,124 Thomas Massie just filed a discharge petition 1204 01:12:12,249 --> 01:12:15,042 to force this vote on releasing the files. 1205 01:12:15,042 --> 01:12:16,752 That's something that Speaker Mike Johnson 1206 01:12:16,877 --> 01:12:18,795 has really been trying to avoid. 1207 01:12:18,795 --> 01:12:21,089 The White House has warned Republicans 1208 01:12:21,089 --> 01:12:22,756 not to side with Massie. 1209 01:12:22,881 --> 01:12:25,342 Even a White House official telling reporters last night 1210 01:12:25,467 --> 01:12:28,136 that this would be viewed as an act of hostility. 1211 01:12:33,223 --> 01:12:37,310 Well, I have a 98% voting record with the President, 1212 01:12:37,310 --> 01:12:40,228 was one of his most loyal defenders. 1213 01:12:40,228 --> 01:12:43,897 Marjorie Taylor Greene, please come up. Come. 1214 01:12:43,897 --> 01:12:46,316 MTG! MTG! 1215 01:12:46,441 --> 01:12:47,901 Thank you, Mr President. 1216 01:12:47,901 --> 01:12:51,987 Alright, Georgia, we know what we're going to do in 2024. 1217 01:12:52,112 --> 01:12:56,115 He was angry at me for siding with Thomas Massie 1218 01:12:56,115 --> 01:12:58,116 and signing on the discharge petition. 1219 01:12:58,241 --> 01:13:00,785 To me, it was a matter of right and wrong 1220 01:13:00,911 --> 01:13:02,620 and standing up for these women. 1221 01:13:02,745 --> 01:13:05,623 The greatest president in United States history, 1222 01:13:05,748 --> 01:13:08,124 Donald J. Trump, right, Georgia? 1223 01:13:11,418 --> 01:13:12,669 Marjorie Taylor Greene, 1224 01:13:12,669 --> 01:13:14,795 she's the female version of Donald Trump. 1225 01:13:14,795 --> 01:13:16,881 She was full-blood MAGA. 1226 01:13:17,006 --> 01:13:20,759 So, for her to be one of the people to stand up against him 1227 01:13:20,759 --> 01:13:24,803 is very significant in American politics. 1228 01:13:24,929 --> 01:13:27,889 He was losing control of the situation. 1229 01:13:29,807 --> 01:13:32,851 When you sign that discharge petition, 1230 01:13:32,976 --> 01:13:36,270 afterwards you took a phone call with President Trump. 1231 01:13:36,395 --> 01:13:40,190 He said that it was going to hurt people that he knew. 1232 01:13:40,315 --> 01:13:41,691 What people? 1233 01:13:41,691 --> 01:13:44,693 I don't know. I still don't know that to this day. 1234 01:13:44,693 --> 01:13:48,029 But the way he treated me and the names that he called me, 1235 01:13:48,154 --> 01:13:51,198 sent death threats upon me and then my children. 1236 01:13:58,286 --> 01:14:00,163 This is my fifth year in Congress 1237 01:14:00,163 --> 01:14:02,456 and this is the largest press conference 1238 01:14:02,456 --> 01:14:04,875 that I've seen since I've been here. 1239 01:14:04,875 --> 01:14:07,210 As people like Marjorie Taylor Greene 1240 01:14:07,210 --> 01:14:11,213 started getting involved, the snowball started rolling. 1241 01:14:11,338 --> 01:14:13,632 This is not about politics, 1242 01:14:13,757 --> 01:14:17,176 this is a boiling point in American history. 1243 01:14:17,301 --> 01:14:19,844 We see some very effective advocacy 1244 01:14:19,844 --> 01:14:22,221 on behalf of the victims themselves. 1245 01:14:22,221 --> 01:14:25,015 Why did he get away with it in 2008? 1246 01:14:25,015 --> 01:14:27,976 Why was Jeffrey Epstein so protected? 1247 01:14:27,976 --> 01:14:30,060 Why was Maxwell the only one held accountable 1248 01:14:30,060 --> 01:14:31,853 when so many others played a role? 1249 01:14:31,979 --> 01:14:33,855 Let the public know the truth. 1250 01:14:35,231 --> 01:14:38,108 I speak today not only in service of my own recovery, 1251 01:14:38,233 --> 01:14:42,194 but to honour the lives, the courage and sacrifices 1252 01:14:42,319 --> 01:14:44,697 of Virginia Giuffre 1253 01:14:44,697 --> 01:14:46,447 and others who could not continue. 1254 01:14:48,741 --> 01:14:52,202 Victims of the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein 1255 01:14:52,327 --> 01:14:54,579 have paid tribute to Virginia Giuffre 1256 01:14:54,579 --> 01:14:56,998 at a rally in Washington, DC. 1257 01:14:57,123 --> 01:14:59,916 She took her own life in April this year. 1258 01:15:01,334 --> 01:15:03,669 It made me very sad when she passed. 1259 01:15:04,837 --> 01:15:08,715 This sort of damage, you can stuff it down for years and years, 1260 01:15:08,715 --> 01:15:11,174 but the effects will always catch up. 1261 01:15:11,174 --> 01:15:14,218 Virginia said it best, and I quote, 1262 01:15:14,218 --> 01:15:17,388 "They say time can heal, but this won't. 1263 01:15:17,513 --> 01:15:20,557 "Not until the justice system makes an example out of these people 1264 01:15:20,557 --> 01:15:22,391 "with so-called privileges. 1265 01:15:22,516 --> 01:15:24,643 "I just call it money." 1266 01:15:24,643 --> 01:15:25,935 People believe her now. 1267 01:15:26,853 --> 01:15:28,229 I mean, she won... 1268 01:15:29,397 --> 01:15:30,939 ...in a sad way. 1269 01:15:37,069 --> 01:15:40,614 So we gather here on the steps of the Capitol 1270 01:15:40,739 --> 01:15:42,990 to confront these corrupt forces. 1271 01:15:44,408 --> 01:15:49,579 We know we have 212 Democrats and we have four Republicans, 1272 01:15:49,704 --> 01:15:51,371 courageous Republicans. 1273 01:15:51,371 --> 01:15:55,124 The only supporters that I got from my discharge petition 1274 01:15:55,249 --> 01:15:58,293 on the Republican side of the aisle were all women. 1275 01:15:58,418 --> 01:15:59,794 Marjorie Taylor Greene, 1276 01:15:59,794 --> 01:16:01,588 Lauren Boebert and Nancy Mace. 1277 01:16:03,005 --> 01:16:07,133 They were woken up at 5am in the morning with the President saying, 1278 01:16:07,258 --> 01:16:08,968 "F this, F that. 1279 01:16:09,093 --> 01:16:11,470 "Get your effing name off of this thing." 1280 01:16:11,595 --> 01:16:14,931 But, to their credit, all three of those women stayed strong. 1281 01:16:16,432 --> 01:16:19,768 There was a time when few believed 1282 01:16:19,768 --> 01:16:24,438 that they would actually be able to get the passage of these files. 1283 01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:28,733 And it was only after it became very clear 1284 01:16:28,733 --> 01:16:31,109 that Trump was going to lose on this vote, 1285 01:16:31,235 --> 01:16:35,238 then finally he claimed to support it. 1286 01:16:36,405 --> 01:16:39,783 We've done a great job, and I hate to see that, 1287 01:16:39,783 --> 01:16:43,244 uh, deflect from the great job we've done. 1288 01:16:43,244 --> 01:16:45,454 So I'm all for it. 1289 01:16:45,579 --> 01:16:49,374 What eventually happened was a nearly unanimous vote. 1290 01:16:50,165 --> 01:16:54,961 The yeas are 427, the nays are one. 1291 01:16:54,961 --> 01:16:56,712 The bill is passed, 1292 01:16:56,712 --> 01:17:00,924 and without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. 1293 01:17:05,761 --> 01:17:09,639 Mr Speaker, today is an extraordinary day in this chamber. 1294 01:17:09,639 --> 01:17:13,016 This is about the powerless 1295 01:17:13,141 --> 01:17:18,770 taking power away from the very powerful. 1296 01:17:18,770 --> 01:17:21,439 When Trump backflipped on it, 1297 01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,440 the survivors won. 1298 01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:27,652 The Senate has passed the bill under unanimous consent! 1299 01:17:32,531 --> 01:17:34,198 The bill forces the Justice Department 1300 01:17:34,323 --> 01:17:37,577 to release Epstein file documents within 30 days. 1301 01:17:57,633 --> 01:18:01,052 Once the Epstein Files Transparency Act became law, 1302 01:18:01,177 --> 01:18:04,513 there was a deadline - December 19th - 1303 01:18:04,513 --> 01:18:06,389 for the release of everything. 1304 01:18:06,514 --> 01:18:09,225 Deputy Attorney-General Todd Blanche says, however, 1305 01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:12,227 several hundred thousand pages of records will be made public, 1306 01:18:12,227 --> 01:18:14,604 with more to come in the coming weeks. 1307 01:18:14,604 --> 01:18:15,688 Hundreds of thousands... 1308 01:18:15,688 --> 01:18:17,315 I could sit at home 1309 01:18:17,315 --> 01:18:19,232 and just stay on the couch and not be involved, 1310 01:18:19,232 --> 01:18:23,110 but being here is historic. 1311 01:18:24,111 --> 01:18:26,196 We got a few hours till we find out. 1312 01:18:26,196 --> 01:18:28,740 But we're talking about a tonnage of information 1313 01:18:28,865 --> 01:18:31,700 that may take some time just to process. 1314 01:18:31,700 --> 01:18:34,243 The Justice Department has now begun 1315 01:18:34,368 --> 01:18:37,205 the release of the Epstein files. 1316 01:18:38,830 --> 01:18:44,877 The first release was a blip on the radar, not even that. 1317 01:18:44,877 --> 01:18:47,253 There was a picture of Bill Clinton. 1318 01:18:47,378 --> 01:18:49,672 There was very little about Donald Trump. 1319 01:18:49,672 --> 01:18:54,217 It was widely regarded to have few major revelations. 1320 01:18:55,384 --> 01:18:59,095 At least 550 pages were fully redacted. 1321 01:18:59,095 --> 01:19:01,097 We have just a fraction right now 1322 01:19:01,097 --> 01:19:02,807 of what is believed to exist. 1323 01:19:02,807 --> 01:19:03,891 It failed, in our book. 1324 01:19:04,016 --> 01:19:05,226 We haven't received full transparency, 1325 01:19:05,226 --> 01:19:07,310 and it's an incomplete release of the files. 1326 01:19:10,062 --> 01:19:12,689 That must be his... his prison cell. 1327 01:19:12,689 --> 01:19:17,109 I'm pretty disappointed since we were told transparency, 1328 01:19:17,235 --> 01:19:19,236 and we're not really seeing it. 1329 01:19:19,236 --> 01:19:21,571 And if that's the best they're gonna do, 1330 01:19:21,571 --> 01:19:23,739 I don't think we're ever gonna get to the truth. 1331 01:19:26,574 --> 01:19:29,035 This was a slap in the face of survivors. 1332 01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,412 They're flouting the spirit and the letter of the law. 1333 01:19:32,538 --> 01:19:37,083 People kept trying to push for the release of the files, 1334 01:19:37,083 --> 01:19:39,417 and six weeks later, all of a sudden, 1335 01:19:39,543 --> 01:19:43,420 3.5 million documents hit the public. 1336 01:19:45,631 --> 01:19:47,757 3 million pages of documents, 1337 01:19:47,757 --> 01:19:51,260 180,000 images and 2,000 videos. 1338 01:19:51,385 --> 01:19:53,387 The latest release of files related to 1339 01:19:53,387 --> 01:19:55,930 the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein is shocking 1340 01:19:55,930 --> 01:19:58,306 in its size and its content. 1341 01:19:58,431 --> 01:20:01,226 Of the 180,000 images released, 1342 01:20:01,351 --> 01:20:03,435 these pictures of the King's brother 1343 01:20:03,435 --> 01:20:05,604 seem to be what everyone is talking about. 1344 01:20:05,729 --> 01:20:09,649 Police are assessing claims Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor 1345 01:20:09,774 --> 01:20:13,277 shared confidential reports with Jeffrey Epstein. 1346 01:20:14,444 --> 01:20:18,280 All of a sudden, there are global investigations in Europe. 1347 01:20:19,448 --> 01:20:21,158 Active investigations are now under way 1348 01:20:21,283 --> 01:20:23,284 in at least 10 countries. 1349 01:20:23,409 --> 01:20:26,327 Poland has launched a probe into the Epstein files 1350 01:20:26,327 --> 01:20:29,789 in a search of any potential victims from that country. 1351 01:20:29,913 --> 01:20:32,082 {\an8}In Europe, the former prime minister of Norway 1352 01:20:32,082 --> 01:20:34,500 {\an8}has been charged with gross corruption. 1353 01:20:34,625 --> 01:20:36,961 Poland's prime minister also says his country 1354 01:20:36,961 --> 01:20:38,670 would investigate possible links between 1355 01:20:38,795 --> 01:20:40,088 the convicted sex offender 1356 01:20:40,088 --> 01:20:42,173 and Russian intelligence services. 1357 01:20:43,090 --> 01:20:46,009 The people who maintained a friendship with Epstein, 1358 01:20:46,009 --> 01:20:48,094 communications that they thought were private 1359 01:20:48,094 --> 01:20:52,139 are now filling the pages of newspapers internationally. 1360 01:20:53,724 --> 01:20:56,309 My gosh, was this embarrassing? 1361 01:20:56,309 --> 01:20:58,143 Can we start with Peter Attia? 1362 01:21:07,942 --> 01:21:10,611 Good Lord, another very prominent person 1363 01:21:10,611 --> 01:21:12,988 caught up in all this is Bill Gates, of course. 1364 01:21:13,113 --> 01:21:14,739 Claims that he picked up 1365 01:21:14,739 --> 01:21:18,033 a sexually transmitted disease from a Russian woman. 1366 01:21:18,158 --> 01:21:20,285 He's denied that publicly. 1367 01:21:20,285 --> 01:21:22,578 We have this footage where Steve Bannon 1368 01:21:22,578 --> 01:21:27,165 is interviewing Epstein to try to rehabilitate Epstein's image. 1369 01:21:27,290 --> 01:21:29,083 At the same time, people are making sense 1370 01:21:29,083 --> 01:21:30,792 of the 3.5 million files, 1371 01:21:30,792 --> 01:21:35,463 there's Congress, who is continuing to investigate this 1372 01:21:35,463 --> 01:21:37,839 and continuing to call witnesses, 1373 01:21:37,839 --> 01:21:39,758 including the Attorney-General. 1374 01:21:44,595 --> 01:21:46,471 Alright, getting back to our breaking news, 1375 01:21:46,471 --> 01:21:48,640 Attorney-General Pam Bondi is set to testify 1376 01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,558 before the House Judiciary Committee at any moment now. 1377 01:21:51,683 --> 01:21:53,976 Survivors say their identities were exposed 1378 01:21:53,976 --> 01:21:55,770 because of inadequate redaction. 1379 01:21:57,688 --> 01:21:59,648 Well, right now, we're heading over to the Capitol. 1380 01:21:59,648 --> 01:22:04,193 {\an8}I have a meeting with Congressman Lou Correa. 1381 01:22:04,318 --> 01:22:08,530 After that, we'll be heading over to Pam Bondi's hearing. 1382 01:22:18,286 --> 01:22:20,163 We have Congress working on our side, 1383 01:22:20,163 --> 01:22:22,790 and, you know, they want answers just as much as we do. 1384 01:22:24,458 --> 01:22:26,709 Hi. Nice to meet you. Hi. 1385 01:22:26,835 --> 01:22:29,003 Hi. Lisa. Nice to meet you. Pleasure meeting you. 1386 01:22:29,003 --> 01:22:31,213 Come on in. We have a camera guy following us. 1387 01:22:31,213 --> 01:22:33,632 Oh, my, I should have put my tie on. 1388 01:22:40,011 --> 01:22:42,096 {\an8}I wanna take a moment to acknowledge 1389 01:22:42,221 --> 01:22:45,057 {\an8}the Epstein survivors who are here today. 1390 01:22:45,057 --> 01:22:48,351 I am deeply sorry for what any victim, 1391 01:22:48,351 --> 01:22:51,270 any victim has been through. 1392 01:22:51,395 --> 01:22:57,275 {\an8}Attorney-General Bondi, will you turn to them now and apologise 1393 01:22:57,275 --> 01:23:02,111 {\an8}for what your Department of Justice has put them through 1394 01:23:02,111 --> 01:23:05,281 with the absolutely unacceptable release of 1395 01:23:05,406 --> 01:23:08,366 the Epstein files and their information. 1396 01:23:17,290 --> 01:23:20,959 I was pretty shocked that she just didn't even turn her head, 1397 01:23:21,084 --> 01:23:24,253 just not even just a little bit just to acknowledge. 1398 01:23:24,253 --> 01:23:26,087 It doesn't even have to be an apology, 1399 01:23:26,087 --> 01:23:28,214 but to acknowledge that we were there 1400 01:23:28,214 --> 01:23:30,758 and that we represent 1,200 survivors. 1401 01:23:33,218 --> 01:23:35,428 {\an8}To my right is an email 1402 01:23:35,428 --> 01:23:38,305 {\an8}that was sent by the victims' lawyers to the DOJ. 1403 01:23:38,430 --> 01:23:40,849 {\an8}It was a list of names not to release. 1404 01:23:40,974 --> 01:23:43,476 They released this email! 1405 01:23:43,601 --> 01:23:47,937 Literally the worst thing you could do to the survivors, you did. 1406 01:23:47,937 --> 01:23:49,938 And we know you touched the document 1407 01:23:50,064 --> 01:23:51,607 because you redacted the lawyer's name, 1408 01:23:51,607 --> 01:23:53,816 but you left the survivor's name there. 1409 01:23:53,941 --> 01:23:57,028 So, I really have just one question for you. 1410 01:23:57,153 --> 01:24:00,363 {\an8}How many of Epstein's co-conspirators have you indicted? 1411 01:24:00,363 --> 01:24:04,450 {\an8}How many perpetrators are you even investigating? 1412 01:24:04,450 --> 01:24:06,993 First, you showed a... 1413 01:24:07,118 --> 01:24:09,120 I find it... How many have you indicted? 1414 01:24:09,245 --> 01:24:11,288 Excuse me, I'm gonna answer the question. 1415 01:24:11,288 --> 01:24:12,331 Answer my question. 1416 01:24:12,331 --> 01:24:13,624 No, I'm gonna answer the question 1417 01:24:13,624 --> 01:24:15,458 the way I want to answer the question. 1418 01:24:15,583 --> 01:24:17,793 No, you can answer the question... Your theatrics are ridiculous. 1419 01:24:17,793 --> 01:24:18,960 ...the way I asked it. 1420 01:24:21,837 --> 01:24:25,674 I really got to see, like, in the flesh, in person, 1421 01:24:25,799 --> 01:24:27,300 like, wow... 1422 01:24:28,718 --> 01:24:32,554 ...they really are turning a blind eye to this for whatever reason. 1423 01:24:32,554 --> 01:24:35,681 And it only makes you think that there's got to be a real reason why, 1424 01:24:35,807 --> 01:24:36,891 right? 1425 01:24:39,059 --> 01:24:42,645 Madam Attorney-General, will you meet with survivors after this? 1426 01:24:42,770 --> 01:24:45,980 You're a disgrace to the legal profession and to women. 1427 01:24:45,980 --> 01:24:49,317 What a shame you are! Shameful person! 1428 01:24:51,777 --> 01:24:54,654 Are you looking at the reaction 1429 01:24:54,779 --> 01:24:57,365 in Europe and the UK and other parts of the world 1430 01:24:57,490 --> 01:25:00,200 and scratching your head with what's going on here? 1431 01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:04,286 Yes. And I see a different attitude overseas. 1432 01:25:04,286 --> 01:25:08,206 The untouchables are touchable now. 1433 01:25:08,957 --> 01:25:11,375 Breaking news about Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor. 1434 01:25:11,500 --> 01:25:15,086 The BBC understands that he has been arrested on suspicion 1435 01:25:15,086 --> 01:25:17,296 of misconduct in public office. 1436 01:25:17,296 --> 01:25:19,506 It comes weeks after the Justice Department 1437 01:25:19,631 --> 01:25:21,633 released emails Andrew allegedly sent to 1438 01:25:21,633 --> 01:25:25,344 the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, in 2010. 1439 01:25:26,469 --> 01:25:29,514 I think for several years 1440 01:25:29,639 --> 01:25:32,349 we'd always imagined that it could come to this place 1441 01:25:32,474 --> 01:25:33,642 and he was arrested, 1442 01:25:33,642 --> 01:25:36,519 and I still found myself absolutely speechless 1443 01:25:36,519 --> 01:25:38,520 for the first couple of hours. 1444 01:25:38,645 --> 01:25:41,356 Andrew was serving as a UK trade envoy at the time, 1445 01:25:41,356 --> 01:25:43,149 and appears to have forwarded Epstein 1446 01:25:43,149 --> 01:25:45,651 British government documents on trade policy. 1447 01:25:45,651 --> 01:25:48,111 But this wasn't the story that we were following at all, 1448 01:25:48,111 --> 01:25:49,903 this was something completely different. 1449 01:25:50,029 --> 01:25:54,157 Now Peter Mandelson, who was the UK ambassador to the US, 1450 01:25:54,157 --> 01:25:55,908 has also now been arrested. 1451 01:25:56,034 --> 01:25:59,494 And, you know, it's fascinating to see how far this chain will go. 1452 01:25:59,619 --> 01:26:02,288 We are probably only at the very beginning. 1453 01:26:03,205 --> 01:26:05,249 Over two dozen people have resigned - 1454 01:26:05,249 --> 01:26:08,376 CEOs, members of government worldwide - 1455 01:26:08,501 --> 01:26:11,420 but I haven't seen any arrests or investigations 1456 01:26:11,420 --> 01:26:15,089 here in the United States from this Department of Justice. 1457 01:26:16,215 --> 01:26:20,218 As an American journalist looking at everything happening in Europe, 1458 01:26:20,218 --> 01:26:24,138 this is how sophisticated democracies react 1459 01:26:24,138 --> 01:26:25,639 to alarming information - 1460 01:26:25,639 --> 01:26:26,723 they investigate. 1461 01:26:26,848 --> 01:26:29,434 I have nothing to hide. I've been exonerated. 1462 01:26:29,559 --> 01:26:31,977 I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. 1463 01:26:31,977 --> 01:26:35,104 What we're seeing in the United States is 1464 01:26:35,229 --> 01:26:37,523 Trump's Justice Department trying to say 1465 01:26:37,648 --> 01:26:39,691 that there is nothing to see here. 1466 01:26:39,691 --> 01:26:41,859 Is there evidence that Jeffrey Epstein 1467 01:26:41,859 --> 01:26:45,071 was trafficking girls to other powerful men? 1468 01:26:45,196 --> 01:26:48,406 According to the Associated Press's review of the files, 1469 01:26:48,531 --> 01:26:49,990 the FBI says no. 1470 01:26:51,742 --> 01:26:55,161 In regards to the sex trafficking and the abuse, 1471 01:26:55,286 --> 01:26:57,538 do you personally know of evidence 1472 01:26:57,538 --> 01:27:01,333 that exists within the Department of Justice, 1473 01:27:01,333 --> 01:27:04,960 within the FBI, that has not come out yet? 1474 01:27:05,086 --> 01:27:07,587 I do. I do. 1475 01:27:11,882 --> 01:27:14,384 You know, when you have different girls 1476 01:27:14,384 --> 01:27:18,512 telling the same stories, corroborating each other... 1477 01:27:19,638 --> 01:27:22,098 ...that's powerful, really powerful. 1478 01:27:22,223 --> 01:27:24,100 So, and again, 1479 01:27:24,100 --> 01:27:28,686 I think we have to believe victims and survivors of this sort of thing. 1480 01:27:30,854 --> 01:27:34,440 I know of people that girls were traded out to 1481 01:27:34,565 --> 01:27:36,609 that have not come out. 1482 01:27:40,278 --> 01:27:42,321 I tend to believe that 1483 01:27:42,446 --> 01:27:44,782 this story is going to outlive me 1484 01:27:44,907 --> 01:27:48,201 because it's filled with so many mysteries, 1485 01:27:48,201 --> 01:27:49,702 things people don't know. 1486 01:27:52,037 --> 01:27:55,456 We don't know the depth of the cover-up yet, 1487 01:27:55,456 --> 01:28:01,461 but I think this will eventually rank up there with, uh, Watergate. 1488 01:28:01,586 --> 01:28:03,671 Hopefully the American public's 1489 01:28:03,796 --> 01:28:05,922 going to continue to care about this story 1490 01:28:06,047 --> 01:28:10,801 and continue to demand that we get all of the answers. 1491 01:28:12,386 --> 01:28:15,638 We're done laying down and being quiet. 1492 01:28:15,638 --> 01:28:17,598 Now we're screaming in public. 1493 01:28:19,933 --> 01:28:21,435 It's a serious question. Oh, sorry. 1494 01:28:21,435 --> 01:28:23,644 Do you think you're the devil himself? 1495 01:28:23,769 --> 01:28:25,271 I don't know. Why would you say that? 1496 01:28:25,271 --> 01:28:27,939 Because you have all the attributes. You're incredibly smart. 1497 01:28:27,939 --> 01:28:29,649 You remember, the devil... Is the devil smart? 1498 01:28:29,649 --> 01:28:32,443 The devil's brilliant. 1499 01:28:32,443 --> 01:28:35,278 Jeffrey Epstein was the true epitome of evil. 1500 01:28:35,278 --> 01:28:40,532 Very polished, wealthy, well-spoken, very intelligent man. 1501 01:28:40,657 --> 01:28:43,909 And he used all of that for evil. 1502 01:28:46,494 --> 01:28:48,788 We do not do this story justice 1503 01:28:48,788 --> 01:28:51,040 if we think it starts and ends with Epstein. 1504 01:28:51,165 --> 01:28:52,333 Of course it doesn't. 1505 01:28:52,333 --> 01:28:55,460 There is so much further to go. 1506 01:29:05,009 --> 01:29:06,801 Captions by Red Bee Media 1507 01:29:06,801 --> 01:29:08,928 Copyright Australian Broadcasting Corporation